WL IP doesn't transmit to website? RESOLVED!

[m77]

The reason is actually security and health / safety so not possible.

I do need webspace to host the template right? Not sure how it would work.

[Bushman]

You can "host" the WL generated webpages on a regular hard drive: no web server (ie. Apache) required.  they are just simple HTML  files.

[m77]

Thanks bush. I think the technology is over my head unless its in idiots english.

It goes without saying that I can't access the data from home until they are uploaded to WL.com.

[johnd]

Take a look at:

http://www.davisnet.com/product_documents/weather/app_notes/apnote_26.pdf

There's a lot of words here but the process is actually quite simple. And if you're just saving to a local drive then you can skip over anything that relates to uploading to the Internet, ie all you need is to click the button that says 'Local Transfer Enabled'

[Bushman]

Do you have email?    Then you can get the system to email you both a weather data file and an HTML page.  WLIP merely b generates the files and stores them on your school network where your email  system picks them up and sends them to you. And I think there may be a way to get them via OWA (Outlook Web Access) if you have that as your email system.

[m77]

Thanks guys, that's a great link.
I am not too fussed about having the pc running all the time nor am I keen on getting email updates but thanks anyway.

Rm have 4 and a half working days before closing for christmas.

[m77]

Ok, RM say that

"access has been created from all addresses to 10.20.129.54 on port 80 and 22222 through public facing IP xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx"

the logger does not seem to be uploading??

i have checked with RM to see if it is outbound aswell as inbound. i presume the final XXX IP is the school's IP.

When i check the port on http://www.yougetsignal.com/tools/open-ports/ port 80 is OPEN for the last IP but not for the logger at 10.20.129.54

Is a reboot necessary of the console/logger? Unfortunately I am at home now rather than school.

Any advice?

[m77]

in fact all sorts of "port checkers" tell me that port 80 is closed for the logger's IP

 

[d_l]

Perhaps a static DHCP should have been set up to only assign the private IP with port 80 and 22222 open to the MAC address of the WLIP.

If your WLIP is on a private IP that is out of the open port range, then you would have to have it re-acquire a new IP within the range from the DHCP server (router).  I think the only definite way to do this would be to pull the batteries of your console; however, you say that your WLIP-console loses its IP when disconnected from the network so try that first to see if its IP has changed..

[dalecoy]

Ok, RM say that

"access has been created from all addresses to 10.20.129.54 on port 80 and 22222 through public facing IP xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx"

the logger does not seem to be uploading??

i have checked with RM to see if it is outbound aswell as inbound. i presume the final XXX IP is the school's IP.

When i check the port on http://www.yougetsignal.com/tools/open-ports/ port 80 is OPEN for the last IP but not for the logger at 10.20.129.54

Is a reboot necessary of the console/logger? Unfortunately I am at home now rather than school.

Any advice?

Aren't they saying that the (LAN) IP address of the logger is 10.20.129.54?  And  IP xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx is the school's external IP?  That would agree with your testing results (you can't test 10.20.129.54 from "outside").

If so, the WLIP must have that (10.20.129.54) static address.

[m77]

This is driving me potty!

When I pull the plug on the logger and bring it home and plug it in it definitely gets a new ip. When I reconnect at school the next day in always gets the original ip.

I suppose I could try connecting it to a few different sockets at school and seeing if they work, but I can't try that til jan 4th. Aaaaaargh!  

[m77]

Ok, RM say that

"access has been created from all addresses to 10.20.129.54 on port 80 and 22222 through public facing IP xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx"

the logger does not seem to be uploading??

i have checked with RM to see if it is outbound aswell as inbound. i presume the final XXX IP is the school's IP.

When i check the port on http://www.yougetsignal.com/tools/open-ports/ port 80 is OPEN for the last IP but not for the logger at 10.20.129.54

Is a reboot necessary of the console/logger? Unfortunately I am at home now rather than school.

Any advice?

Aren't they saying that the (LAN) IP address of the logger is 10.20.129.54?  And  IP xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx is the school's external IP?  That would agree with your testing results (you can't test 10.20.129.54 from "outside").

If so, the WLIP must have that (10.20.129.54) static address.

Yes the ip of the logger never changes.

What does this mean dale?

[Bushman]

I'll go back to my earlier comment:  NAT is taking place for Muppet's IP and maybe that is messing it up.  10.20.129.54 is a private address and is unreachable.  I bet it is being converted at the firewall.

[dalecoy]

I'll go back to my earlier comment:  NAT is taking place for Muppet's IP and maybe that is messing it up.  10.20.129.54 is a private address and is unreachable.  I bet it is being converted at the firewall.

I think we had already determined that NAT was involved - it would be unusual if that were not the case (both the NAT and the private addresses).  That's the job of the router (not the firewall).

Muppet, now that you've told us that it's always the same IP address assigned on the school network for the WLIP - that is good news.  It means that the school's router has been told to always give that IP to the particular device that has this MAC address (unique to that exact WLIP device).  So, it's a "static" IP address on the school LAN. 

This should mean (given what was said) that the WLIP can communicate outbound on ports 80 and 22222.  So, it should be able to upload data to Weatherlink.com.  [Note that the statement from RM actually talks about inbound access - so, I'm making an assumption about outbound access] 

Having said that -
"access has been created from all addresses to 10.20.129.54 on port 80 and 22222 through public facing IP xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx"
... this does not say that anyone should be able to talk to the WLIP from outside the LAN.  Or, for that matter, it doesn't say that anyone should (or should not) be able to talk to the WLIP while connected to the same LAN. 

Hope that fuzzy description helps a bit.

[m77]

Thanks that makes sense.

So is there hope?

Where does the problem lie do you guess?

School router?
Rm?

[d_l]

If you are always getting the same private IP on the school LAN and it is within the IP range of the opened port IPs, then you should be good to go.

Have you tried accessing the WLIP from home using WL and the school's IP for the Remote IP Address? I guess use port 80 nstead of 22222 as that is what the WLIP is set to now.

[dalecoy]

If you are always getting the same private IP on the school LAN and it is within the IP range of the opened port IPs, then you should be good to go.

Have you tried accessing the WLIP from home using WL and the school's IP for the Remote IP Address? I guess use port 80 nstead of 22222 as that is what the WLIP is set to now.

Wouldn't that only work if the school's router has been set to do port forwarding to the WLIP? 

That would be "reasonable" - but they didn't say they had done that.
"access has been created from all addresses to 10.20.129.54 on port 80 and 22222 through public facing IP xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx"

But trying xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx:80  and xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx:22222  would be an easy test.

[m77]

Ok - MOVEMENT - to some extent!

I tried using the WL software from home (the logger is at school).

In the comms settings i have port number 80 (recap = i managed to set this internally on the logger) and I have selected ip address XXX.XXX.XXX.XXX (the school's outward IP as stated by RM).

I downloaded hundreds of pages of data, viewed a strip chart and then viewed a bulletin!!
FROM HOME!!

what does this mean? would anyone like to diagnose?

still no Wl.com uploads though, but it is a huge step!

[dalecoy]

Ok - MOVEMENT - to some extent!

I tried using the WL software from home (the logger is at school).

In the comms settings i have port number 80 (recap = i managed to set this internally on the logger) and I have selected ip address XXX.XXX.XXX.XXX (the school's outward IP as stated by RM).

I downloaded hundreds of pages of data, viewed a strip chart and then viewed a bulletin!!
FROM HOME!!

what does this mean? would anyone like to diagnose?

still no Wl.com uploads though, but it is a huge step!

OK, that's mostly good news.  It means that your RM folks have set "port forwarding" to take anything coming into the school network that wants to go to Port 80, and send it to the "static IP" address that they have defined for the WLIP (by MAC address).  That's for access coming into the school network.

[There's a cautious downside, too]

Now, they actually said that (less the port forwarding, which was "implied"). 

I would assume that Port 80 isn't blocked from outbound traffic from inside the school network.  Do you know for sure?  And it's technically possible that they could have blocked the WLIP from doing outbound access to Port 80. 

Footnote: I'm not conversant with the internals of the WLIP.  Is there anything in it's setup that might be preventing it from talking to WeatherLink.Com?

[m77]

Dale - i have taken the Wl logger home twice and it uploaded to WL.com very easily.

thanks for your ideas.

i think the strongest reason is that port 80 may not be allowing outbound traffic?

the wording that they sent me - "access has been created from all addresses to 10.20.129.54 on port 80 and 22222 through public facing IP xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx"
suggests a one way incoming only, yet how would my WL software get data from it at home?

[d_l]

When you accessed the WLIP from home through the "non-standard" port 80, that would the incoming traffic on that port RM described.  The connection to port 80 on the WLIP was initiated from your computer running WL.

Apparently they still haven't opened an outbound port 80 fro the WLIP's IP.  When the WLIP connects to WL.com, the WLIP initiates that connection, not WL.com.

Dale is assuming that the IP your WLIP has is linked to it by the WLIP's MAC. If RM or your network administrator hasn't confirmed that, I wouldn't rely on that as fact.  If it is not linked to the MAC, then some network disruption and re-issue of IPs could easily knock out your WLIP's communications to WL.com or some other computer on the LAN running WL.

[m77]

So basically I will need to double check with RM that they have opened both OUTbound and Inbound port 80 to the loggers static IP of 10.20.129.54?

Have I understood that correctly?

[dalecoy]

Yes.  From your earlier post (page 4 of this thread), they:

Outbound

Deny:
69/UDP (TFTP)
80/TCP (HTTP)
81/TCP (HTTP)
119/TCP (NNTP)
135/TCP&UDP (NetBIOS)
136/TCP&UDP (NetBIOS)
137/TCP&UDP (NetBIOS)
138/TCP&UDP (NetBIOS)
139/TCP&UDP (NetBIOS)
194/TCP (IRC)
445/TCP&UDP (Microsoft Directory Services)
593/TCP (Microsoft RPC-over-HTTP)
1214/TCP (KaZaA)
1434/UDP (Microsoft SQL Monitor)
3128/TCP (HTTP Proxy)
5190/TCP (AOL)
6257/UDP (WinMX)
6667/TCP (IIRC)
6699/TCP (WinMX)
8000/TCP (HTTP Proxy)
8080/TCP (HTTP Proxy)

[m77]

Does anyone know of a way of checking the OUTbound port of a REMOTE ip address?

I basically want to double check to see if they have opened the outbound port 80 at school. I am at home now.

Many of the checkers such as  http://www.yougetsignal.com/tools/open-ports/ only check INbound traffic i think.

On a positive note, I uploaded the WU module to the WL software and temporarily sent data to the WU site, while the computer was switched on and the software running (- not 100% there yet, but nearly)

[Bushman]

Hackers do it all the time with things like TCP ACK Ping    I suspect if something similar would do it for you, you catch it from your Network admins or be denied as a hacker probe.  Wouldn't it be easier to just go to the school?