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I noticed that my advisory today is an hour ahead of the local time.  Is this an issue with NOAA, Godaddy - my host, or perhaps something incorrectly setup in the advisory scripts?  Anybody got any ideas.

Here is a direct link to the script.  If you wish to look it over? 
http://www.mountcrawfordweather.org/scripts/rss-advisory.php

Here is a screen capture of what I am seeing.
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Re: My Advisory Time is incorrect... Web Host, Script, or NOAA Error?
« Reply #1 on: April 28, 2009, 10:52:49 AM »
When I clicked on your link it showed 1050 am EST.

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Re: My Advisory Time is incorrect... Web Host, Script, or NOAA Error?
« Reply #2 on: April 28, 2009, 11:24:15 AM »
Yep, I got it fixed then I got side tracked.:-)  Sometimes just writing down or in this case typing out your problem can be helpful. \I had to change the time zone hour offset; in the php code.  I guess this is something I will have to do every time the time changes for Spring and Fall. :roll: ](*,)  Unless somebody comes up with something better for this fix.
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Re: My Advisory Time is incorrect... Web Host, Script, or NOAA Error?
« Reply #3 on: April 28, 2009, 12:07:46 PM »
the time is correct, but the description is wrong now..  Its not EST currently, its EDT.  dont know how to fix though.

Your entry is $ourTZ = 'EST1EST'   Where did you get that?

Shouldnt it be 'America/Montreal' or 'America/New_York'


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Yep, I got it fixed then I got side tracked.:-)  Sometimes just writing down or in this case typing out your problem can be helpful. \I had to change the time zone hour offset; in the php code.  I guess this is something I will have to do every time the time changes for Spring and Fall. :roll: ](*,)  Unless somebody comes up with something better for this fix.

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Re: My Advisory Time is incorrect... Web Host, Script, or NOAA Error?
« Reply #4 on: April 28, 2009, 08:40:13 PM »
I think the Est1Est type of description was found in the original script.  If  mine is incorrect what should I put in the code for my time zone; which is the same as Washington D.C.?
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Re: My Advisory Time is incorrect... Web Host, Script, or NOAA Error?
« Reply #5 on: April 28, 2009, 09:25:07 PM »
I think the Est1Est type of description was found in the original script.  If  mine is incorrect what should I put in the code for my time zone; which is the same as Washington D.C.?

Try this:

$ourTZ = 'EST5EDT';
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Re: My Advisory Time is incorrect... Web Host, Script, or NOAA Error?
« Reply #6 on: April 28, 2009, 09:46:56 PM »
I will try that the next time, but right now I have no warnings or advisories.  But if memory serves me right, when I did that, when I first added the script months back my update was about 4 hours off the actual time.
Perhaps I just need to change the "EST" to "EDT" as mentioned above. Anybody else got any ideas?
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Re: My Advisory Time is incorrect... Web Host, Script, or NOAA Error?
« Reply #7 on: April 29, 2009, 12:09:48 AM »
It should be EST5EDT for your Eastern timezone.  EST1EDT is for the Azores :)

Also 'America/New_York' would work as well.

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Re: My Advisory Time is incorrect... Web Host, Script, or NOAA Error?
« Reply #8 on: April 29, 2009, 06:51:35 AM »
Okay I tried the 'EST5EDT' and 'America/New_York'  as well, they both gave me the same results as the image below.  I then went and deleted the RS-advisory Text files that the script creates to allow them to be recreated by the next time I ran the script (just in case those files were wonky in some way).  Again same results.

So (for now), I went and changed it back to currently 'EST1EDT".  <<< What I feel is the correct Answer for me.

^^There-in lies my confusion. 
1. Am I correct in saying; that the "script-text-output" should display the time/date stamp of the last instance the script ran and checked for warnings/advisory status.

OR

2.  Does the "script-text-output" display the time/date stamp when the current warning/advisory was first discovered by the PHP script routines?


I am under the assumption that #1 is the correct answer. 
If i am correct, I wonder since I have to enter an "inaccurate time zone setting" to get the correct time stamp, is it perhaps because my web-host's servers (Godaddy) is in the Arizona Time Zone (whatever that is) and I on the east coast time; therefore there is a 4 hour correction which should be needed and is the same thing I am encountering at this point.  

Another idea;   
Perhaps Godaddy is aware of me being on the east coast time zone. Thus on their servers, they are correcting my time, which then I have to correct again to accommodate for Daylight Savings Time. :-k   Which would explain why I only use a 1 hour offset in the 'EST1EDT' parameter.

....have I lost everybody yet?  This is perplexing. #-o ](*,)

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Re: My Advisory Time is incorrect... Web Host, Script, or NOAA Error?
« Reply #9 on: April 29, 2009, 07:41:01 AM »
Here is a response I got back from Godaddy yesterday, when I submitted a "trouble ticket"

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Our support staff has responded to your request, details of which are described below:

Discussion Notes
Support Staff Response
Dear Samuel Warren,
Thank you for contacting online support.

The time on the server is correct. Our servers are located in the Arizona therefor this is the time displayed. I apologize for any inconvenience.

Please let us know if we can help you in any other way.
Sincerely,
Michael G.
Online Support Technician

Customer Inquiry
Name : Samuel Warren

ShopperValidated:Yes

I noticed that the timestamp on my files seem to be off by an additional hour. Can someone there verify that the correct time is set on my web server?

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Re: My Advisory Time is incorrect... Web Host, Script, or NOAA Error?
« Reply #10 on: April 29, 2009, 07:47:44 AM »
Sam,
I doubt the issue is with godaddy servers.  they are 3 hours off edt, as they should be.  I dont think server time is used for anything.  I assume the script parses out UTC time from the noaa advisory, then should apply the appropriate offset.

Your modification seems to be working. It now says EDT, and the time is correct.  But I guess you will need to see in November if you need to manually adjust again back to standard time. ... perplexing indeed.

Perhaps anyone else in EDT using this script could shed some light....

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Re: My Advisory Time is incorrect... Web Host, Script, or NOAA Error?
« Reply #11 on: April 29, 2009, 07:52:23 AM »

Your modification seems to be working. It now says EDT, and the time is correct. .....

So do you think I was correct about #1?  :?

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Perhaps anyone else in EDT using this script could shed some light....

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I am hoping someone else from my timezone drops in today.  \:D/
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Re: My Advisory Time is incorrect... Web Host, Script, or NOAA Error?
« Reply #12 on: April 29, 2009, 08:13:29 AM »
I think number 1 is occuring.  The time I see has been changing this morning.  Currently says 8:02, said 7:56 several minutes ago, and the forecast has not changed.

I think it should say the following though. 
722 AM EDT WED APR 29 2009
As that is when the forecast was update by nws.  So for display purpose saying a forecast is updated at X time, when it might have been issued x-y ago is a little misleading....


So maybe it is confused by the godaddy server time.  Arizona does not do DST.  which expalins one thing.  When I ftp into godaddy the time is always off compared to my pc obviously due to time zone.... However I remember it being only 2 hours off.  So now its 3... and that appears to be due to no DST observed.....

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So do you think I was correct about #1?  :?

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Re: My Advisory Time is incorrect... Web Host, Script, or NOAA Error?
« Reply #13 on: April 29, 2009, 08:32:26 AM »


So maybe it is confused by the godaddy server time.  Arizona does not do DST.  which expalins one thing.  When I ftp into godaddy the time is always off compared to my pc obviously due to time zone.... However I remember it being only 2 hours off.  So now its 3... and that appears to be due to no DST observed.....


Yes Mack, I agree with you.  I think the above statement made by yourself explains the original 1 hour difference I first saw when I noticed this problem.

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I think it should say the following though.
722 AM EDT WED APR 29 2009
As that is when the forecast was update by nws.  So for display purpose saying a forecast is updated at X time, when it might have been issued x-y ago is a little misleading....

However I did notice yesterday when I had a "real warning" the "text content" of the report did show the actual issue time of the warning, plus my "update time".  I have noticed that the short term forecasts never have an "issued time" on them.  <<< This however is not a script issue, but an omission by NWS when they issue the short forecasts.
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Re: My Advisory Time is incorrect... Web Host, Script, or NOAA Error?
« Reply #14 on: April 29, 2009, 08:32:32 AM »

Okay I tried the 'EST5EDT' and 'America/New_York'  as well, they both gave me the same results as the image below.  I then went and deleted the RS-advisory Text files that the script creates to allow them to be recreated by the next time I ran the script (just in case those files were wonky in some way).  Again same results.

So (for now), I went and changed it back to currently 'EST1EDT".  <<< What I feel is the correct Answer for me.

No. It should be EST5EDT for the U.S. Eastern Time Zone.


1. Am I correct in saying; that the "script-text-output" should display the time/date stamp of the last instance the script ran and checked for warnings/advisory status.

It doesn't stamp the time the script was last invoked. It merely displays the time the NOAA/NWS report was last updated.

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Re: My Advisory Time is incorrect... Web Host, Script, or NOAA Error?
« Reply #15 on: April 29, 2009, 09:04:06 AM »


It doesn't stamp the time the script was last invoked. It merely displays the time the NOAA/NWS report was last updated.

Kevin...

Kevin, I have to respectively disagree with you. 
Yesterday, when experimenting with this I had a warning issued by the NWS site at 7:00 am, but my update time said something within a few minutes of 3:00 am.  (May not be exact times, but this is the type of observation that occured).  How can the "Update time" be before the warning was ever issued?

It even happens on Sartoga's website, for this Texas advisory.
http://saratoga-weather.org/NOAA-advisory-details.php?zone=TXZ013

If we take the 1:455A.M. PDT Update time(what I see as I type this) and add 2 hours on it, for the time zone difference of Texas and Saratoga, CA, then the update is around  3:55 A.M. CDT  for a warning issued at 7:55 AM CDT.   How is this possible?

Perhaps another broad question would be : Has the NWS changed their time coding universally for all warnings then?
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Re: My Advisory Time is incorrect... Web Host, Script, or NOAA Error?
« Reply #16 on: April 29, 2009, 09:45:35 AM »


Kevin, I have to respectively disagree with you. 
Yesterday, when experimenting with this I had a warning issued by the NWS site at 7:00 am, but my update time said something within a few minutes of 3:00 am.  (May not be exact times, but this is the type of observation that occured).  How can the "Update time" be before the warning was ever issued?

It even happens on Sartoga's website, for this Texas advisory.
http://saratoga-weather.org/NOAA-advisory-details.php?zone=TXZ013

If we take the 1:455A.M. PDT Update time(what I see as I type this) and add 2 hours on it, for the time zone difference of Texas and Saratoga, CA, then the update is around  3:55 A.M. CDT  for a warning issued at 7:55 AM CDT.   How is this possible?

Yes, I see what you're saying now. I didn't catch that earlier. Hm... perhaps an error in the script? We may need Ken's viewpoint in this.
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Re: My Advisory Time is incorrect... Web Host, Script, or NOAA Error?
« Reply #17 on: April 29, 2009, 09:50:07 AM »
Hopefully Ken is still following along with us when he can in his busy day.  :grin:
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Re: My Advisory Time is incorrect... Web Host, Script, or NOAA Error?
« Reply #18 on: April 29, 2009, 02:43:07 PM »
The Updated time comes from the NWS RSS feed as <lastbuilddate></lastbuilddate>

The problem is that none of the current feeds include the timezone designator in that comment, and the RSS spec says it should be GMT/UTC, so the script makes the assumption that the dates/times in that field are in GMT/UTC and processes them accordingly.

The feeds may be in 'local time' for some of the feeds (or maybe for all the feeds from a particular region), so for your
zone=VAZ026.txt  the current RSS shows 
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<?xml version='1.0' encoding='UTF-8' standalone='yes'?>
<rss version='2.0' xmlns:dc='http://purl.org/dc/elements/1.1/'>

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  Virginia - (Rockingham/VAZ026) - Current Watches, Warnings and Advisories for Virginia Issued by the National Weather Service
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  <link>http://www.weather.gov/alerts/va.html</link>
  <lastBuildDate>Wed, 29 Apr 2009 14:31:21 </lastBuildDate>
  <ttl>4</ttl>
  <language>en-us</language>
  <managingEditor>robert.bunge@noaa.gov</managingEditor>
  <webMaster>w-nws.webmaster@noaa.gov</webMaster>
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  Current Watches, Warnings and Advisories for Virginia (Rockingham/VAZ026) Issued by the National Weather Service
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  <image>
  <url>http://weather.gov/images/xml_logo.gif</url>
  <title>NOAA - National Weather Service</title>
  <link>http://weather.gov</link>
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    <item>
    <title>Short Term Forecast - Rockingham (Virginia)</title>
    <link>http://www.weather.gov/alerts/VA.html#VAZ026.LWXNOWLWX.180500</link>
    <description>&lt;br&gt;LIGHT RAIN AND DRIZZLE WILL CONTINUE ACROSS NORTHERN MARYLAND AND&lt;br&gt;THE EASTERN PANHANDLE OF WEST VIRGINIA THROUGH 4 PM. RAINFALL&lt;br&gt;AMOUNTS WILL BE LIGHT AND ONLY AVERAGE A COUPLE OF HUNDREDTHS.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;$$&lt;br&gt;&lt;a href=http://www.erh.noaa.gov/lwx/&gt;Issuing Weather Forecast Office Homepage&lt;/a&gt;</description>
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  </channel></rss>

Is their date of Wed, 29 Apr 2009 14:31:21 a UTC/GMT or EST date?  The real time (UTC) is Wed, 29 Apr 2009 18:33:44 GMT which makes the NWS date an EDT date (where it should be a GMT date).

The text link for the advisory shows
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Rockingham (Virginia)

SHORT TERM FORECAST
NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE BALTIMORE MD/WASHINGTON DC
205 PM EDT WED APR 29 2009
ANZ531>537-DCZ001-MDZ009>011-013-014-016>018-VAZ021-025-026-029-
030-036>042-050>057-WVZ054-292015-
so the 205 PM EDT WED APR 29 2009 there doesn't really match up to the <lastBuildDate>Wed, 29 Apr 2009 14:31:21 </lastBuildDate> in the RSS feed, but it does give one the idea that (for this particular feed), the <lastbuilddate> is in EDT.

So... in summary:
1) then NWS RSS feeds are not correct RSS as the <lastbuilddate></lastbuilddate> feed is missing the timezone designator.
2) the script assumes it's in GMT/UTC (per RSS spec) and displays based on your local timezone offset.

Sam's workaround of using the incorrect EST1EDT works because it accounts for the 4 hour difference between what the NWS reports as time and actual UTC time used for computation of the date to display.

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Re: My Advisory Time is incorrect... Web Host, Script, or NOAA Error?
« Reply #19 on: April 29, 2009, 03:30:34 PM »
I think I understand what you are getting at Ken.

See if this makes sense...

Basically the rss feed is issuing an update time using my "local time zone" rather than GMT/UTC which the script is expecting.  And this "local time zone" reporting may be done by SOME local NWS offices, including mine, but is not done by all offices across the nation.  Therefore my "incorrect setting" of 'EST1EDT' actually brings my update time back into "correct time" because of the above method of "incorrect time deisgnation reporting."
And this is why some people in my time zone use 'EST5EDT" and it works good for them; while I and others in my "NWS Office region" use 'EST1EDT' and it works for us.


Am I also in correct in saying...
So basically it makes it impossible to code some additional lines into the script, so that it can detect if your NWS station is using GMT/UTC or "local time" as it's reporting time, since no designator is sent.

Too bad, because if they sent the designator, then Ken or one of you other "script gurus" could code it in,  thus if for some reason the local NWS office changes from GMT/UTC to "local time", the output would still be the same and us users would not have to worry about it anymore. =P~



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Re: My Advisory Time is incorrect... Web Host, Script, or NOAA Error?
« Reply #20 on: April 29, 2009, 05:01:04 PM »
You've got it :)

Meanwhile, NWS is switching to Atom feeds using CAP format, and it's far less useful than the RSS feed.  It does have valid ISO formatted timestamps like 2009-04-29T14:00:00-0800 so the time ambiguity is resolved.
What is missing is the FULL TEXT of the report .. currently they only include an <atom:summary></atom:summary> and not an <atom:content></atom:content> .  I guess they expect you to use the <atom:link></atom:link> URL and go fetch the page they cited to read about it.  Ugh!  Then it requires 1 +N fetches to the website to see the alerts AND the content of the alerts (N=number of alerts for zone).

I'm going to write some feedback to them, asking that the <content></content> be included in the new ATOM feeds, then I can make a atom-advisory.php script to replace the rss-advisory.php script.

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Re: My Advisory Time is incorrect... Web Host, Script, or NOAA Error?
« Reply #21 on: April 29, 2009, 05:04:41 PM »
....

I'm going to write some feedback to them, asking that the <content></content> be included in the new ATOM feeds, then I can make a atom-advisory.php script to replace the rss-advisory.php script.

Best regards,
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Oh that would be great, if they do as you suggest.  Any idea when this change will take over? 
I will keep an eye open for your new code when it happens.
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Re: My Advisory Time is incorrect... Web Host, Script, or NOAA Error?
« Reply #22 on: April 29, 2009, 05:42:39 PM »
I've no idea when their 'beta' period expires, but if you click on the RSS/XML on www.weather.gov, you get sent to the http://www.weather.gov/alerts-beta/ URL for Severe Weather/Watch/Warning/Advisory which shows the ATOM feeds.
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Re: My Advisory Time is incorrect... Web Host, Script, or NOAA Error?
« Reply #23 on: April 29, 2009, 05:48:58 PM »
I see they have an Atom feed for my area as well.  Cool. 8-)
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