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Re: The Elephant in the Room
« Reply #25 on: September 18, 2019, 01:51:30 AM »
My latest Blog. I'm proud to called a denier because I have facts that can't be disputed.  I'm a denier of bad science.


09/17/2019     Reached 93° at the NE weather station Sunday and 88° on Monday and 89 today. We may be done with the chance of '90s after today for the year. Overall it's been a cool summer with below normal temps. Yes a little hard to believe with the global warming hysteria when year after year we are normal or below. They call us Deniers...LOL, Then they follow up with more FAKE news. I have data from coop stations in the region if interested that prove if anything we may be cooling. Guaranteed we are not warming here, the climate is unchanged. Subtract the bogus + 2° coming off ASOS at airport and climate is normal. Go to area observations compare with Ainsworth only 36 mi. as Crow flies. Look at temps dewpoints and humidity the KVTN ASOS is wrong in almost all areas especially temperature and humidity. I'm not going to continue to babysit it's up to the public to see whats going on. This station has accurate data with 100% humidity in fog while the airport never goes above 94% with the +2°F ambient error. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure this out. And excuse my French if you want to belive the BS about climate change go ahead. It's all about the vehicle to total socialism power and control.
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Re: The Elephant in the Room
« Reply #26 on: September 18, 2019, 02:27:32 AM »
My latest Blog. I'm proud to called a denier because I have facts that can't be disputed.  I'm a denier of bad science.


09/17/2019     Reached 93° at the NE weather station Sunday and 88° on Monday and 89 today. We may be done with the chance of '90s after today for the year. Overall it's been a cool summer with below normal temps. Yes a little hard to believe with the global warming hysteria when year after year we are normal or below. They call us Deniers...LOL, Then they follow up with more FAKE news. I have data from coop stations in the region if interested that prove if anything we may be cooling. Guaranteed we are not warming here, the climate is unchanged. Subtract the bogus + 2° coming off ASOS at airport and climate is normal. Go to area observations compare with Ainsworth only 36 mi. as Crow flies. Look at temps dewpoints and humidity the KVTN ASOS is wrong in almost all areas especially temperature and humidity. I'm not going to continue to babysit it's up to the public to see whats going on. This station has accurate data with 100% humidity in fog while the airport never goes above 94% with the +2°F ambient error. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure this out. And excuse my French if you want to belive the BS about climate change go ahead. It's all about the vehicle to total socialism power and control.

But at the most you're speaking for your own area of the world and for your weather station for climate change, not the whole world.

As controversial as global warming is, I believe in doing nothing about it, other than clean up after the storms. 


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Re: The Elephant in the Room
« Reply #27 on: September 18, 2019, 05:40:59 AM »
Climate has always changed on this wonderful planet. I believe there can be a consensus on this. The big issue is what is driving this change and what are the largest factors of influence. For some, there is politics in the interpretation of the data and the gleaned statistics of that data. Both can both be massaged to support a theory and guide popular opinion one direction or the other for one's own purpose. I read both sides. For me, the truth lies near the middle.

I fall more middle also.

I think pollutants.....chemicals, plastics, etc are more worrisome than a temperature cycle that we may or may not be influencing to a measurable degree and likely can have little influence over.

I wish I had a weather station that collected data like the TAMDAR we ran on some of the Jet scheds  a few years back.

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Re: The Elephant in the Room
« Reply #29 on: September 18, 2019, 12:48:51 PM »
Climatologists are like doctors. They don't know half what they think they know.

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Re: The Elephant in the Room
« Reply #30 on: September 18, 2019, 02:51:27 PM »
Anyone remember back in the 70s when all the scare-ists said we were heading for a giant ice age and the poles would all freeze up and cause huge polar caps that would then calve and cause huge tidal waves which would drown us all?
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Re: The Elephant in the Room
« Reply #31 on: September 18, 2019, 04:26:24 PM »

Anyone remember back in the 70s when all the scare-ists said we were heading for a giant ice age and the poles would all freeze up and cause huge polar caps that would then calve and cause huge tidal waves which would drown us all?

Well... FWIW
https://cei.org/blog/wrong-again-50-years-failed-eco-pocalyptic-predictions
 

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Re: The Elephant in the Room
« Reply #32 on: September 18, 2019, 04:59:08 PM »
I remember reading where people thought the earth was the center of the universe.  People even thought the world was flat!  Oh wait, some people still think that.

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Re: The Elephant in the Room
« Reply #33 on: September 18, 2019, 09:49:29 PM »
Haven't we been though all of this before?

Hey Elephant, please leave the room!

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Re: The Elephant in the Room
« Reply #34 on: October 11, 2019, 03:03:29 PM »
The science is in. There is no man made climate change. Our future will be colder. PLEASE watch the following videos. Caution, these movies require above average intelligence to comprehend.

The 10 minute short version:     https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tul07hx8V8w

The full movie:        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rEWoPzaDmOA&t=1092s

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Re: The Elephant in the Room
« Reply #35 on: October 11, 2019, 10:20:10 PM »
The science is in. There is no man made climate change. Our future will be colder. PLEASE watch the following videos. Caution, these movies require above average intelligence to comprehend.

The 10 minute short version:     https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tul07hx8V8w

The full movie:        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rEWoPzaDmOA&t=1092s

The future may already be here, since the low tonight is supposed drip just below freezing, which will break a record in Oklahoma City.  It doesn't normally do that until around Nov. 1.  But is this the weather changing or is it the climate? 

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Re: The Elephant in the Room
« Reply #36 on: October 12, 2019, 08:41:17 AM »
Bunty, down here in south Alabama we're just exiting from a long, hot, drought.  We've had multiple record high temps and pretty much zero rainfall (unless you were fortunate enough to be beneath a cloudburst) over the last 30-45 days.  Pretty well fire bans from one end of the state to the other.  Thankfully the 95-100F temperatures have given way to the upper 80Fs and is hopefully dropping a little lower after this weekend...*and* a real chance of some rain!!!!!  =D> =D> 

Nothing stays the same, things change.  Has "man" caused global warming?...he most likely has contributed to it.  Sending fumes and smoke into the atmosphere can't be a good thing.  I read an article several years back, though, that was asserting that if the world had anywhere near the tree canopy that it had in the past that the natural filtration system could handle those pollutants.  But, massive clearing of old growth forests here in the USA, in the Amazon Basin, and in most any other country/place in the world has taken away our best defense against "global warming", poor air quality, etc., etc.,.  But "progress"...quest for food production (fields), the needs for lumber, and the basic greed of man has mowed most of the forest lands down.  Pretty much anything "modern" has a thread (even if it is a fine one) leading back to fossil fuels.  If not, then the process of manufacturing creates emissions that go "somewhere".  The computer screen that we look at, the vehicle we drive to work, the synthetic *and* natural materials that we cloth ourselves with, the asphalt in the roads, the wire bringing electricity to our houses and businesses,...everything contributes to a more "dirty" environment.  I'm no tree-hugger (though I like trees :) ), it's just logic that we're leaving footprints (and lots of them) most everywhere we go.  Are the footprints causing "global warming"?...I dunno, but the footprints are there, there is no denying that part.  I recently had a reality check on a trip to Uganda.  Definitely a third world country...the land has been stripped of most natural resources, people walk miles to get a jerry can full of water, to get an armload of firewood for cooking, the cities have a lingering layer of smoke from garbage being burned, etc., etc.,.  The education level is very low.  And that is just one country in east Africa...many more like it around the globe.  Indifference (more important priorities than the environment to these people), ignorance (most people there haven't ever heard of the ozone layer), need (cooking wood is scarce, but no other power to speak of to cook their meager meals with).  Very little wood is used in building structures...mud brick, a few roof trusses, and mostly steel windows and doors. 

I don't believe anybody intends/intended to mar our world with toxins...the indifference, ignorance, and need all add to the equation.  The current environmental situation is somewhat like a "Comedy of Errors"...but, not very entertaining.

When I look to the south of where I live and see the 10's (100's) of thousand acres of clearcuts, where old stand timber once stood, and I see weak pine trees planted in rows...well, something just doesn't seem comforting about that.  When I was a teenager and the wholesale clear-cutting was underway with the little pine saplings being planted a friend of mine quipped one day "You know, one day our grandchildren will believe that pine trees all grow in rows".  We're pretty much at that point.

Cycle?  Man caused?  Climate change?  Global warming?
Nothing stays the same, things change...


Edit:  Misspelled "add" as "and"...
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Re: The Elephant in the Room
« Reply #37 on: October 12, 2019, 09:04:54 AM »
Look up the volume of pollutants volcanoes spew when they go off. Quite a bit more than any man made cause. This has been happening for quite a long time and yet the Earth manages to recover.

The bottom line is our sun controls the temp on this planet.

Al Gore Made Nearly $200 Million from the Global Warming Scam
http://humansarefree.com/2016/11/al-gore-made-nearly-200-million-from.html

Chicken Little had nothing on the current crop of doomsayers.
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Re: The Elephant in the Room
« Reply #38 on: October 13, 2019, 12:17:47 PM »
Climate change is a matter of science, and no political parties own science.  Though some no doubt believe they do.
If the thermometers around the world agree that average temps are rising, ok.
To claim the higher ground of "why" temps are rising is another matter.  Scientists are free to use numbers to make predictions.  The data they use to support their conclusions is open to discussion.  Just like in all branches of scientists, you are free to substitute your own data and predictions.
Moralizing with political zeal, as many do, is not part of science.

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Re: The Elephant in the Room
« Reply #39 on: October 13, 2019, 12:27:01 PM »
........and then you have humorous stuff like this happening......

‘Climate Warriors’ filming documentary Stuck In Arctic Ice – All 16 climate activists evacuated from ship by helicopter


https://www.climatedepot.com/2019/09/09/climate-warriors-filming-documentary-stuck-in-arctic-ice-all-16-climate-activists-evacuated-from-ship-by-helicopter/

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Re: The Elephant in the Room
« Reply #40 on: October 13, 2019, 02:51:35 PM »
Don't worry everyone....AOC has it all under control.

Calling climate change “a direct threat to the national security of the United States,” the resolution calls for the United States to “achieve net-zero greenhouse gas emissions through a fair and just transition for all communities and workers.”

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Re: The Elephant in the Room
« Reply #41 on: October 13, 2019, 04:06:57 PM »
Anyone remember back in the 70s when all the scare-ists said we were heading for a giant ice age and the poles would all freeze up and cause huge polar caps that would then calve and cause huge tidal waves which would drown us all?

Me. I was 5.  1973. Corn not harvested. Combines frozen in the field because of the wet weather and then it froze.
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Re: The Elephant in the Room
« Reply #42 on: October 15, 2019, 08:49:08 AM »
Don't worry everyone....AOC has it all under control.

Calling climate change “a direct threat to the national security of the United States,” the resolution calls for the United States to “achieve net-zero greenhouse gas emissions through a fair and just transition for all communities and workers.”

If she groups us in with greenhouse emissions from cows then we're in *real* trouble!!!   :-&

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Re: The Elephant in the Room
« Reply #43 on: October 15, 2019, 02:40:04 PM »
What? No more re-fried Mexican Beans (frijoles)?
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« Reply #44 on: October 17, 2019, 05:43:49 PM »
What? No more re-fried Mexican Beans (frijoles)?
Renewable energy....   [tup]

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