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Offline vreihen

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Re: Guess there's no VP3 coming
« Reply #100 on: January 07, 2019, 08:05:43 PM »
So you use a tablet and a special app that forces an always on state.  But how do you get Davis, Ambient or Acurite data posted over to weatherflow's website?

It is running WeatherFlow's own app, displaying the data from my three WeatherFlow stations around the homestead.  There is no way to upload data from station hardware other than their own.

I also have the Acu-Rite and Davis VP2, both having their data captured by $35 Raspberry Pi for archiving...with the Davis data also being sent all over creation by weewx.  (One can never have enough weather stations, and they multiply like rabbits in my yard!)  The Pi can run a web server locally with the SteelSeries gauges or whatever to view "live" data from weewx as the VP2 sends it, which you can leave open on the tablet's web browser.  You can also run the weather34 template on the Pi locally, but you may want to buy a larger tablet for that because it uses a lot of screen real estate creating what is arguably the nicest web-based console alternative.

My point is that a weather app on a cheap tablet is now my preferred wall console, and I don't miss a real console at all.....
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Re: Guess there's no VP3 coming
« Reply #101 on: January 08, 2019, 05:51:30 AM »
@Jstx: what smartphone/tablet models and what software are you using on your devices? Aren't you afraid of LCD burn-in? Has it ever happened to your devices?

OTOH, Davis should respect all of his users needs, however they're a business and when 95% of the buying populace has a device in their pocket to take out and look at its screen in every 10 minutes it's understandable they want to spend less on the rest of the user base. I personally have no need for the "iconic" old console, while I do understand its benefits.

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Re: Guess there's no VP3 coming
« Reply #102 on: January 08, 2019, 09:05:07 AM »
I wonder if WLL will support smart TVs or Roku. If there was a way to view it on my TV, especially the streaming, it might be of interest to me.

I already have a Raspberry Pi downloading static weather data images and displaying a slide show of them.

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Re: Guess there's no VP3 coming
« Reply #103 on: January 08, 2019, 09:55:24 AM »

It is running WeatherFlow's own app, displaying the data from my three WeatherFlow stations around the homestead.  There is no way to upload data from station hardware other than their own.
I also have the Acu-Rite and Davis VP2, both having their data captured by $35 Raspberry Pi for archiving...with the Davis data also being sent all over creation by weewx.  (One can never have enough weather stations, and they multiply like rabbits in my yard!)  The Pi can run a web server locally with the SteelSeries gauges or whatever to view "live" data from weewx as the VP2 sends it, which you can leave open on the tablet's web browser.  You can also run the weather34 template on the Pi locally, but you may want to buy a larger tablet for that because it uses a lot of screen real estate creating what is arguably the nicest web-based console alternative.

My point is that a weather app on a cheap tablet is now my preferred wall console, and I don't miss a real console at all.....

So how does a Pi extract data direct from an Acurite, Ambient or Davis sensor?  In the case of my WS-2000, it's not obvious how I would route the data feed into a Pi.  Is there a link somewhere as to how all this can be "easily" done?

It takes 7" of screen area for Ambient to display their station data and it's still a little small, so a 10" tablet might be optimal. (cell phone displays are best for remote monitoring but too small to take the place of consoles).

 
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Re: Guess there's no VP3 coming
« Reply #104 on: January 08, 2019, 10:24:47 AM »
So how does a Pi extract data direct from an Acurite, Ambient or Davis sensor?  In the case of my WS-2000, it's not obvious how I would route the data feed into a Pi.  Is there a link somewhere as to how all this can be "easily" done?

Weewx has support for all.  I am sniffing the radio signals from the Acu-Rite off the air using an SDR dongle on one Pi.  A second Pi has the Davis Envoy hooked up by USB logger, and is running a second weewx instance capturing WeatherFlow data from the UDP network broadcast packets they send out for all devices on your local network.  (I personally wrote/shared the weewx station driver for the WeatherFlow/UDP setup.)

There is a learning curve with weewx/Pi/Linux, but plenty of how-to articles around the web.  Remember that the Raspberry Pi Foundation developed the Pi as a throwaway-priced learning tool for school-age kids in the UK, so there's plenty of simple instruction sites out there to make the little computer do just about anything.....
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Re: Guess there's no VP3 coming
« Reply #105 on: January 09, 2019, 12:54:36 PM »
@Jstx: what smartphone/tablet models and what software are you using on your devices? Aren't you afraid of LCD burn-in? Has it ever happened to your devices?

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Almost any Android model will work, I'll assume that Apples will too (I avoid Apple stuff, just can't ever justify the price differential for a few extra features and the 'status').
Specifically, at this time I'm using a Samsung III (ex's old phone, waiting to get her Samsung V next when she upgrades, heheh), a couple of obsoleted BLU phones; and for the tablets, a couple of AT&T 9020's (IIRC), and an RCA model (all bought at ~$40-50/each). Their screens are adequate, there are of course much better ones available if one has an old one or wants to spend the extra money.
Sometimes a smartphone I'm using as a display-terminal will develop a battery problem or whatever, just swap it out with one of several old ones in a drawer. After all, these phones are on their second lives, being recycled for a good purpose rather than just junked.
Haven't noticed any 'burn in', wouldn't care anyway.

The software I'm using, as I stated, isn't for a weather app at this time. I'm using an app for a home surveillance system, Panasonic's "Home Network", a now obsolete, but very competent home monitoring, alarm system and app (has both Android and Apple versions).
These screens, and the Panasonic hub unit, run off of an AT&T GSM Homebase router-gateway on an additional mobile line/number/SIM in home. I run a second, remote (in a marina) Panasonic system on my sailboat for monitoring, geotracking, and alarms (one camera is on the electrical panel, so I can look at the boat's power status anytime-- this substitutes for what would otherwise be a very complicated telemetry system).
The app and systems also allow remote, on-the-move, access via personal smartphone too of course.

And, as I'm going to reply to another on this thread, one of these devices could be made to also "cast" its' display to a TV set for a 'big picture' (I think, if it has enough 'radio' to do both wifi and casting?).
I know I can get my PC, running a weather app, to 'cast' a display ('console') to either the TV or one of these devices.

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Re: Guess there's no VP3 coming
« Reply #106 on: January 09, 2019, 01:06:18 PM »
I wonder if WLL will support smart TVs or Roku. If there was a way to view it on my TV, especially the streaming, it might be of interest to me.

I already have a Raspberry Pi downloading static weather data images and displaying a slide show of them.

Greg H.

You should be able to use the "cast" function to send the display from one device to another's screen, including a TV. EG: Miracast, Airplay, DLNA, etc. :

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Google_Cast#See_also

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Re: Guess there's no VP3 coming
« Reply #107 on: January 09, 2019, 01:51:40 PM »
@Jstx: thanks for the extensive reply. Yes, I'm also thinking of repurposing an old Android tablet (agree on the Apple part), but there seems to be a lack of presentable user interface (either native app or html web page) that I could put on them for 7x24 display. All of them either suck in one way or another or are plain ugly. One thing I'm a bit worried about is old tablets without updates are using old firmware with lots of WiFi-related security holes...

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Re: Guess there's no VP3 coming
« Reply #108 on: January 09, 2019, 02:01:51 PM »
Would someone who knows more about it like to comment on the effects of having a tablet connected to AC mains 24/7 (which I presume is the idea). Does the tablet battery gradually die? Or maybe it doesn't?

PS Amazon Fire 7 tablet which is potentially (?) adequate in size is GBP50 in the UK, which is not mega-money even if purchased new and presumably cheaper still when on offer. Even has Alexa built in now apparently.
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Re: Guess there's no VP3 coming
« Reply #109 on: January 09, 2019, 02:27:15 PM »
So how does a Pi extract data direct from an Acurite, Ambient or Davis sensor?  In the case of my WS-2000, it's not obvious how I would route the data feed into a Pi.  Is there a link somewhere as to how all this can be "easily" done?

Weewx has support for all.  I am sniffing the radio signals from the Acu-Rite off the air using an SDR dongle on one Pi.  A second Pi has the Davis Envoy hooked up by USB logger, and is running a second weewx instance capturing WeatherFlow data from the UDP network broadcast packets they send out for all devices on your local network.  (I personally wrote/shared the weewx station driver for the WeatherFlow/UDP setup.)

There is a learning curve with weewx/Pi/Linux, but plenty of how-to articles around the web.  Remember that the Raspberry Pi Foundation developed the Pi as a throwaway-priced learning tool for school-age kids in the UK, so there's plenty of simple instruction sites out there to make the little computer do just about anything.....

After looking at the weewx website, this looks like a major project requiring an in depth knowledge of Python and Linux programming not to mention configuring a PI to extract weather data.

http://www.weewx.com/docs/usersguide.htm

It would sure be easier if the manufacturers would provides dashboards patterned after the wonderful WS-2000 console that could be scalable to the tablet size of your choice.  (a "roll your own" console from the ground up seems like a formidable task)

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Re: Guess there's no VP3 coming
« Reply #110 on: January 09, 2019, 02:32:11 PM »
@John - I've had a tablet connected for years; I've never seen much in the way of battery degradation.

BTW, note that a lot of the older/cheaper tablets don't have a screen saver or shut-off so that might be an issue for some.

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Re: Guess there's no VP3 coming
« Reply #111 on: January 09, 2019, 02:42:09 PM »
After looking at the weewx website, this looks like a major project requiring an in depth knowledge of Python and Linux programming not to mention configuring a PI to extract weather data.

Huh? Not at all. You can just install it on any Pi (preferably Pi3 B+) with Raspbian after downloading the package from their site, install it via dpkg, put some lines in the config for your particular device (presumably a VP2) and you're good to go. The provided basic html interface template is pretty functional, albeit a bit "industrial" looking, but there are a lot of others that you might like and can easily swap it, just have a look at their showcase page. If you want to customize it further, it's absolutely possible without programming knowledge, but if you're versed in Python, you can always dig deeper, but it's just a possibility for advanced usage. If you want to use a 3rd-party extension, it's easy to install without any programming. You do need some basic Linux shell skill, though.

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Re: Guess there's no VP3 coming
« Reply #112 on: January 09, 2019, 02:52:38 PM »
@Jstx: thanks for the extensive reply. Yes, I'm also thinking of repurposing an old Android tablet (agree on the Apple part), but there seems to be a lack of presentable user interface (either native app or html web page) that I could put on them for 7x24 display. All of them either suck in one way or another or are plain ugly. One thing I'm a bit worried about is old tablets without updates are using old firmware with lots of WiFi-related security holes...

I wonder about the security issue too, but mine seem to still be getting regular Google/Android updates when I let them. Not sure what the Android update support cutoff dates are, my oldest running ones are on Android 5 or 6, IIRC.
Android updates are very annoying in that I carefully set up the optioning to turn off many 'Google' things, the GPS, etc., and along comes an Android update which resets many back to Google's defaults, grrrr.
As far as WiFi security itself, I live out in the boonies, until recently couldn't hardly ever detect any other WiFi SSIDs around here anyway. So a very minimal chance of a local wireless security breach (if a 'black radio intercept van' were parked out on the lane it would be pretty obvious...).
If you live in a crowded city environment the odds go way up for WiFi intercepts or hacking. There's also a greater chance of anyone having the technicals skills to do it in the city.

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Re: Guess there's no VP3 coming
« Reply #113 on: January 09, 2019, 03:10:41 PM »
Would someone who knows more about it like to comment on the effects of having a tablet connected to AC mains 24/7 (which I presume is the idea). Does the tablet battery gradually die? Or maybe it doesn't?

PS Amazon Fire 7 tablet which is potentially (?) adequate in size is GBP50 in the UK, which is not mega-money even if purchased new and presumably cheaper still when on offer. Even has Alexa built in now apparently.

I've had various tablets and smartphones plugged in to the 'mains' for years in some cases. No apparent problems. I think that they mostly have pretty good 'battery management' software built in to the OS (Android or Apple) which will maintain a safe charge level, then turn off for a while.
Other than the normal deterioration of lithium prismatic batteries not much happens (yes, they do 'wear out').
I try to only buy devices that have user replaceable batteries (none of that Apple carp). If you're using a such a recycled/cheap device and the battery dies, replace it or junk it.
I think that the manufacturers learned long ago that they had to have special safe charging routines for the potentially dangerous lithium batts now in use.