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WS-2902A display - WS-2000 display differences
« on: August 22, 2018, 06:12:54 PM »
I'm considering purchasing the WS-2902 because I'm tired of my constantly failing Acurite 5/1. Can you purchase an additional display?
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Re: WS-2902 display
« Reply #1 on: August 22, 2018, 06:16:22 PM »
Yes you can purchase as many additional displays as you want. But be sure to only configure one to do the uploading to the Internet.
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Re: WS-2902 display
« Reply #2 on: August 23, 2018, 06:48:14 AM »
Just a note; Ambient is coming out shortly with a WS-2000 that uses the same station, but has an upgrade HD display.

BTW - I switch from a Acurite 5-1 to a WS-2902, very happy with the switch.  I have had the WS-2902 almost a year now with no issues.
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Re: WS-2902 display
« Reply #3 on: August 23, 2018, 11:09:22 PM »
Sir_MAK. I checked into the ws-2000 and almost pulled the trigger but the the display has no battery backup so if you lose electricity it won't communicate with the sensors. so I'm going with the 2902. Thanks.

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Re: WS-2902 display
« Reply #4 on: August 24, 2018, 08:02:01 AM »
Yea, I noticed that also.  I am less concerned about getting data during a power failure than maintaining the setting and H/L values.  The Acurite HD display has no batteries, but will still retain settings and values for some time during outages.  It only losses the date/time.

I wanted an easer to read display and the ability to connect additional remotes to the unit.  I have ordered one yesterday when it became available and it will be in next week.  I already have the 2902 at my home and will be installing the 2000 at a different location.  I'll post back what I find out.
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Re: WS-2902 display
« Reply #5 on: August 25, 2018, 09:10:46 AM »
If you lose power the WS-2902A display console will turn off the LEDs but continue to communicate with the outdoor sensor array. It will keep track of rainfall and highs and lows. If you hit the button it will turn on the LEDs momentarily. BUT...it will not connect to WiFi, not because the WiFi is probably out too on a power outage but because it actually turns its WiFi off. So no Internet reporting without AC power and it doesn't keep internal logs (just has totals) so there is no data to send when power is restored. Which means your display will have highs and lows and rainfall but it will not match your Internet published data.

The WS-2000 does have internal memory and real full data logs. If you just lose Internet service but still have power then maybe the WS-2000 can send the backlog when Internet comes back.... MAYBE... I don't know.

Also just because the WS-2000 doesn't have battery doesn't mean you can't give it a battery by plugging it into a battery backup (UPS) like you would a desktop computer. Of course I then also recommend adding a UPS to your Internet modem and WiFi router. A UPS normally will only keep a desktop computer running for 10 minutes, enough to save work and safely shut down, but it will probably keep the WS-2000 display console running a very long time, hopefully long enough to endure a brief power outage.

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Re: WS-2902 display
« Reply #6 on: August 27, 2018, 12:07:47 PM »
Maybe I should have purchased the 2000 after all.

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Re: WS-2902 display
« Reply #7 on: August 27, 2018, 03:34:34 PM »
Well it isn't so bad that you got the WS-2902A instead of the WS-2000. The jury is still out on the WS-2000 as it is too new. Whenever the WS-2000 starts to get fame of being as great or greater than the WS-2902A then you can buy just the WS-2000 display console to augment your weather hardware. Then you can move the WS-2902A display console to another room and make it a 2nd display. Do remember to only upload using just one device.
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Re: WS-2902 display
« Reply #8 on: September 04, 2018, 07:09:44 PM »
I canceled my order for the 2902 and ordered the 2000 which came today. So far I'm very happy with the setup. Does anyone know if the 2000 display is supposed  to show if connected to WU? I am connected but there is no indication on the display. Thanks

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Re: WS-2902 display
« Reply #9 on: September 04, 2018, 07:47:25 PM »
Mine has a WU and the Ambient Globe in the upper left-hand corner of the display.  I believe this indicates a connection, but I did not see anything in the manual.  It took about an hour or so before I saw new data in WU after I switch the WS-2902 display with the WS-2000.

BTW with the awnet app (iOS) I was able to put in my WeatherCloud station info and my WS-2000 is connected to WeatherCloud.
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Re: WS-2902 display
« Reply #10 on: September 10, 2018, 03:12:59 PM »
Please share some screenshots of the WS-2000. Do a few shots to see what different things look like.

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Re: WS-2902 display
« Reply #11 on: September 11, 2018, 04:37:36 PM »
Console the same as from WS1000 /1001/1002 - see instructions WS1001 but software new.

Total memory 16 MB - user's memory only 11 MB.

More parameters here ----> are the same weather station as HP2550_click

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« Reply #12 on: September 11, 2018, 08:16:47 PM »
Thank you but I didn't want to see stock photos. I want to see real photos with different display stuff that you don't see in the stock photos.
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Re: WS-2902 display
« Reply #13 on: September 12, 2018, 02:49:44 AM »
 looks quite nice but the image ,but  photo is photoshopped ,edited .enlarge the wind direction arrow you will see the masking shade ,and it pointing north north westerly and display NNE . think a real photograph is needed.nevertheless it looks like a clean display that even my wife would accept being visible in the house ..
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Re: WS-2902 display
« Reply #14 on: September 12, 2018, 06:55:15 AM »
Here's some screen shots of mine.

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« Reply #15 on: September 12, 2018, 07:02:07 AM »
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Re: WS-2902 display
« Reply #16 on: September 12, 2018, 07:02:50 AM »
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« Reply #17 on: September 12, 2018, 07:06:51 AM »
awesome that clarifies that oversight.. looking at setup menu , is the firmware downloadable because i see a similarity to original ws1001 and looks from your menu , a small hack of the firmware and send data to own personal website ...just a thought ..brian
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« Reply #18 on: September 12, 2018, 08:01:40 AM »
According to the manual you need to use a memory card to download the firmware.  I haven't messed with that any as it has the current version on it.
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« Reply #19 on: September 12, 2018, 08:05:22 AM »
even better news then , certainly looks to have a similarity to ws1001 under the hood . sure sooner or later a firmware update will appear and when it does its easy to find the ability to send to local server or url, time will tell..
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« Reply #20 on: September 12, 2018, 08:45:02 AM »
There is an update available on the Ambient site, but mine already has that version.
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Re: WS-2902 display
« Reply #21 on: September 12, 2018, 12:06:00 PM »
Thank you for the pictures.

The Good
I noticed that compared to the stock photo it shows rainfall to two decimal places in the listed events section rather than one decimal place. That is something I didn't like in the stock photo at all (and the manual showed only one decimal place too). The manual shows how you can correct the yearly and monthly or weekly totals so that you can correct for whenever you put the new display into operation.

Much more details to see all at once without having to press buttons like on the WS-2902A display. I like that I can still choose units for each sensor separately. I like hpa but use English Imperial units for everything else (WS-2902A does this too).

The future predicted forcast icon is smaller. That took up too much space on the WS-2902A and I think it is a non accurate feature anyway. But I'm glad it is there just less prevalent.

The Bad
WeatherCloud does not seem supported according to the manual not mentioning it. Only Ambient Weather Network and Weather Underground shown.
UPDATE: WeatherCloud setup possible via awnet app according to Sir_MAK's comments below.

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But there is one thing missing...and maybe it is hidden in the setup menu. The WS-2902A shows the signal strength of both WiFi and the outdoor sensor array. The WS-2000 display only shows WiFi signal strength.

Is the temperature ring yellow with the dark theme? It looks white but that may be due to the photograph being overexposed and not getting the lighting right. Does the temperature ring change colors depending on temperature in the white theme?

The stock photo shows a lightning bolt above outdoor humidity. What is that about? The manual shows it too but doesn't explain what it indicates.
UPDATE: I had an old version 1.0 of the manual. Newest version 1.4 explains this as: "The lightning icon appears when then Dew Point exceeds 70 F, which signifies temperature and humidity conditions may be possible for lightning storms to form in the area."

Under Factory Default Mode (+ Magnification button ) then selecting About - what does it show as being the model number?

Nice that it shows the Weather Underground and Ambient Weather Network icons when configured on top left corner. I wonder if those icons get turned off if there is a reporting problem to those services?

Can someone try and connect the USB port to computer running Easy Weather software (or some other weather software) and see if it gets live data. Or you cold try connecting USB to a MeteoBridge (WeatherBridge) and see if it recognizes and reads live data.

« Last Edit: September 30, 2018, 10:05:26 PM by galfert »
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Re: WS-2902 display
« Reply #22 on: September 12, 2018, 02:05:05 PM »
I'll see what questions I can answer tonight.

With the awnet app (iOS) I was able to put in my WeatherCloud station info into the WS-2000 it connected to WeatherCloud.
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Re: WS-2902 display
« Reply #23 on: September 12, 2018, 03:52:40 PM »
According to the manual you need to use a memory card to download the firmware.  (...)

And does the console have a usb port?

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Re: WS-2902 display
« Reply #24 on: September 12, 2018, 06:18:33 PM »
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But there is one thing missing...and maybe it is hidden in the setup menu. The WS-2902A shows the signal straighten of both WiFi and the outdoor sensor array. The WS-2000 display only shows WiFi signal strength.

I don't see any signal strength for any of the sensors.  This maybe due to the fact it can have up to 10 sensors attached (Osprey, indoor, and 8 additional)

Is the temperature ring yellow with the dark theme? It looks white but that may be due to the photograph being overexposed and not getting the lighting right. Does the temperature ring change colors depending on temperature in the white theme?
Yes it's colored and changes.  I took the photo on my phone.

The stock photo shows a lightning bolt above outdoor humidity. What is that about? The manual shows it too but doesn't explain what it indicates.
UPDATE: I had an old version 1.0 of the manual. Newest version 1.4 explains this as: "The lightning icon appears when then Dew Point exceeds 70 F, which signifies temperature and humidity conditions may be possible for lightning storms to form in the area."

Thanks for the info.  I was wondering about that too.  The manual I received was version 1.0

Under Factory Default Mode (+ Magnification button ) then selecting About - what does it show as being the model number?
WS-2000

Nice that it shows the Weather Underground and Ambient Weather Network icons when configured on top left corner. I wonder if those icons get turned off if there is a reporting problem to those services?
Yes, the icons do not show up if not connected.  Not sure of specific conditions though.

Can someone try and connect the USB port to computer running Easy Weather software (or some other weather software) and see if it gets live data. Or you cold try connecting USB to a MeteoBridge (WeatherBridge) and see if it recognizes and reads live data.
I could not get my pc to recognize the display when I plugged it into a USB port.  Is there a USB driver I need?  I did not see anything in the Easy Weather download.
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