Topic: The ebb and flow is the result of the rotation of the Earth and the gyres

[Fermer05]

There is a strict pattern - tides are not formed along the entire coast of the seas and oceans, but only on those coasts where a high current velocity and the higher the velocity of the currents, the higher the amplitude of the tidal wave.
On those coasts where currents do not have high speed, tides are not formed.

The waters of the lakes, seas and oceans of the northern hemisphere rotate counterclockwise, and the waters of the southern hemisphere rotate clockwise, forming cyclonic gyres. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ocean_gyre

As is known, everything that rotates, including the cycles, has the property of a gyroscope, to maintain the vertical position of the axis in space, regardless of the rotation of the Earth.

If you look at the Earth from the side of the Sun, the gyres, rotating with the Earth, turn over twice a day, thanks to which the gyres precess (sway by 1-2 degrees) and reflect a tidal wave from themselves along the entire perimeter of the gyre.
https://goo.gl/images/M4SJq8 http://goo.gl/AM5g1s


The waters of the White Sea rotate counterclockwise, forming a huge gyroscope whirlwind, which precessing reflects the tidal wave along the entire perimeter of the White Sea. A similar pattern of tides is observed in all lakes, seas and oceans.
White Sea. http://rivermaps.ru/doc/beloe/beloe-3.htm
http://tapemark.narod.ru/more/22.png

The waters of the Mediterranean Sea rotate counterclockwise, forming tides 10–15 cm high. In the Gulf of Gabes, off the coast of Tunisia, the height of the tides reaches three meters, and sometimes more, and this is considered one of the mysteries of nature. But at the same time, in the Gulf of Gabes, the cycle rotates, precessing reflecting an additional tidal wave.
https://youtu.be/ihM1I5r_MUg
The tidal wave in the Amazon River creates a huge planetary circulation with a diameter of several thousand km., Rotating between South America and North Africa, covering the mouth of the Amazon River.
The pattern of movement of the tidal wave along the perimeter of the North Atlantic planetary circulation (according to satellite data).
http://goo.gl/R1hx0H

The length of the tidal wave depends on the diameter of the rotation.
The height of the tidal wave depends on the rotation speed of the rotation, the orbital velocity of the Earth and the time of the rotation of the rotation (12 hours).
A = V1 • V2 / t
Where, A is the amplitude of the tidal wave (precession angle).
V1 is the rotation speed of the rotation.
V2 is the orbital velocity of the Earth.
t is the time of the rollover of the cycle (12 hours).
Table of tidal amplitude versus current velocity, on all coasts.
1 km / h - 1 meter.
5 km / h - 5 meter.
10 km / h - 10 meter.
15 km / h - 15 meter.
The amplitude of the tides also depends on the size of the gyre, the amount of water under the gyre, the distance from the coast to the gyre, and the direction of the current (north, south, west, east).

Currents that move along the equator reflect a tidal wave to the north and south, twice a day.
Currents that move along the meridian reflect from themselves a tidal wave to the west and east, twice a day.
This can be checked with simple experience, if you rotate the globe around the axis and in orbit, entwined along the equator and the meridian with a polyethylene hose in which the fluid moves.
The tidal cycle theory can be easily verified by linking the height of the tidal wave with the rotation speed of the gyre.
From the height of tides, you can determine the speed of the current along the coast, based on the atlas of sea currents.
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How to understand the fact that the amplitude of the tides in the Bay of Fundy yesterday was 6 meters, and today is 18 meters.
What changes have occurred per day, for such a sharp jump.
We have two possible answers.
1. For a day, the force of gravity increased three times.
2. During the day, the rotation speed of the rotation has increased three times.

A record high tide in the Bay of Fundy - 21.6 meters - occurred only once in the entire history of observations, on the night of 4 to 5 October in 1869.
On the night of 4 to 5 October in 1869, under the influence of the Saxby Gale cyclone, a record rainfall fell over the basins of rivers flowing into the Bay of Fundy (300 mm in one day), due to which waters from the Bay of Fundy poured into the Bay of Man and increased speed rotation cycle in the Gulf of Maine, three times.

During the flood of the rivers flowing into the Bay of Fundy, the current speed in the north of the Gulf of Maine rises to 20 km / hour, as a result of which the height of the tides reaches 18 meters.
During a drought over the basins of rivers flowing into the Bay of Fundy, the amplitude of the tides does not exceed three meters.
And the most important question is why in the season of abnormally high tides in the Bay of Fundy, in other bays of the Northern Hemisphere, the amplitude of the tides does not increase?
A similar pattern of abnormally high tides is observed in all the bays into which rivers flow.

The real-time animation shows how the waters flowing into the Gulf of Maine from the Gulf of Fundy form a cycle that, precessing, reflects the tidal wave in the direction of the Gulf of Fundy.
https://earth.nullschool.net/?fbclid=IwAR3fDQD_uF0xgVpETpxVzbrv2xxgzOR0UfAKIEFDHAKoC2jzE-Mpu1lIWMs#current/ocean/surface/currents/equirectangular=-65.27,44.29,3000/loc=-66.405,44.310
https://images.app.goo.gl/hAE4F7kyMQ1mhcAF9
Mezen Bay White Sea tide height reaches 10 m.
https://earth.nullschool.net/?fbclid=IwAR245zpmdxn7SmOQdJ7qF9HhRn-54AYSZIChWmA6-0A2rXyJ9y2UivmtlZA#current/ocean/surface/currents/equirectangular=42.30,67.95,3000/loc=44.019,65.946
Tides - table. http://www.prilivy.com

The discovery was published in the Russian-German scientific peer-reviewed journal “Eastern European Scientific Journal” No. 3/2015. Page 64. June
http://www.auris-archiv.de/journal.html
Scientific journal "NBICS-Science. Technologies" No. 4/2018. Page 104.
(Nanotechnology Society of Russia).
http://www.nanonewsnet.ru/news/2018/vyshel-chetvertyi-nomer-zhurnala-nbiks-naukatekhnologii
Continuation, Mechanism of the vertical circulation of the waters of the World Ocean
Forum Federal Target Program "World Ocean". http://okeany.com/forum/784.htm
Forum Akademgorodok
https://forum.academ.club/index.php?showtopic=1080971
French Maritime Forum (Discussion).
http://forummarine.forumactif.com/t9357-le-flux-et-reflux-est-le-resultat-de-la-rotation-de-la-terre
English forum. "Weather / Earth Sciences".
https://www.wxforum.net/index.php?topic=35094.0
German Maritime Forum
https://www.forum-marinearchiv.de/smf/index.php?topic=31488.0

[Fermer05]

Criticism of the lunar theory of tides.

Why in the equatorial zone the tidal wave height is three times lower than in temperate zones?

According to the lunar theory of tides, the earth's crust rises and falls twice a day at a latitude of Moscow with an amplitude of about 20 cm, and the amplitude at the equator exceeds 50 cm (2.5 times more).
Then why in the equatorial zone the amplitude of the tides ranges from 0 - 6 meters and in temperate zones from 0 - 18 meters?
The highest tides on Earth are formed in the Bay of Fundy in North America - 18 m, at the mouth of the River Severn in England - 16 m, in the Bay of Mont Saint-Michel in France - 15 m, in the lips of the Sea of ​​Okhotsk, Penzhinskaya and Gizhiginskaya - 13 m , at Cape Nerpinsky in the Mezen Bay - 11 m.
If it is logical to argue, at the equator the height of the tide should be 35 - 40 meters. Also, if the Bay of Fundy were located at the equator, the height of the tide would be about 45 meters. The whirlwind theory of tides explains this discrepancy by the absence of gyres, cyclones and anticyclones at the equator. For the formation of gyres, cyclones and anticyclones, the deflecting force of Coriolis is necessary. At the equator, the effect of the Coriolis force is minimal and in the temperate zones, maximum. https://qph.fs.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-a0730201f0f095995e9cc6c7c9875519
Information on tides in some ports of the world
https://www.krugosvet.ru/enc/Earth_sciences/geografiya/PRILIVI_I_OTLIVI.html

The tidal cycle theory can be easily verified by linking the height of the tidal wave with the rotational speed of the gyres.
List of seas with an average rotational speed of gyres over 0.5 km / h, and an average tidal wave height of more than 5 cm.
Irish Sea, North Sea, Barents Sea, Baffin Sea, White Sea, Bering Sea, Sea of ​​Okhotsk, Arabian Sea, Sargasovo Sea, Hudson Bay, Bay of Man, Alaska Bay, etc.
List of seas with an average rotation speed of less than 0.5 km / h and an average tidal wave height of less than 5 cm: the Baltic Sea, Greenland Sea, Black Sea, Sea of ​​Azov, Chukchi Sea, Kara Sea, Laptev Sea, Red Sea, Marmara Sea , Caribbean Sea, Sea of ​​Japan, Gulf of Mexico, etc.
Note: the height of the tidal wave (soliton) and the amplitude of the ebb and flow are not the same. https://simple.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_seas
Sea of ​​the USSR http://tapemark.narod.ru/more/
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According to the Static Theory of Tides, the "Moon Tidal Wave" moves from east to west at a speed of 1600 km / hour, skirting the Earth in 24 hours, rubbing the ocean floor and filling only the eastern shores of the continents. But after centuries it was discovered.

1. What does the "Moon tidal wave" flood both the western and southern and northern shores of the continents?
2. That the speed of the tidal wave of 1600 km / h is destructive for both the continents and the marine fauna?
3. What is at the same time across the globe, there are not two tidal humps, but more than a hundred, regardless of the location of the moon?
4. That abnormally high tides for some reason are formed in semi-closed bays, where there is no direct access to the tidal wave. And in the bays open to a tidal wave, tides or not at all, or are they small? https://youtu.be/NqDEaFjIXPw

Later, a dynamic model of tides was proposed, allowing for a lag (up to 800 km / h) and tidal-hump turns due to friction on the ocean floor. And to show the magnitude of the backlog of the hump, they introduced an application clock (from 0 to 12).
http://ffden-2.phys.uaf.edu/645fall2003_web.dir/Ellie_Boyce/dynamic.htm

But the dynamic model of tides does not answer all the questions posed.
1. While the tidal wave makes one revolution around the Earth, the Moon makes two turns, how is the gravitational connection between the Moon and the tidal hump carried out?
2. If the applied hour is zero, it means that the friction of the tidal wave against the ocean floor is absent, and the wave speed is 1600 km / h, and if the applied hour is 12, it means that the friction reduced the speed of the tidal wave to 800 km / h .
Why, in one region there is friction of a tidal wave against the ocean floor, and in another region there isn’t?
3. In order for the "Moon tidal hump" to exist, the heterogeneity of the gravitational field is necessary, and for this, the Moon must be constantly above the hump, otherwise the hump will collapse?
4. If the moon created a tidal hump on the Earth, it would not be an ellipse, but a drop. (Gravitational force is added, not compensated)?
5. Tidal waves are synchronized with the daily rotation of the earth and are 50 minutes daily behind.
The moon is not synchronized with tidal waves.
(The moon is one, and there are hundreds of tidal waves on Earth)?
6. It is believed that the cause of the second moon hump is the barycenter. And what is the cause of the second solar hump?
7. Why high tides are not formed in the new moon, and on the third day after the new moon.
(On the third day after the new moon, the orbital velocity of the Earth is maximum).
8. How does the current of the western winds manage to move from west to east, at a speed of 5 km / h, rubbing the ocean floor, while the tidal wave flows from east to west at a speed of 800km / h, rubbing the ocean floor?
9. As the tidal forces of the earth stopped the rotation of the moon, if the side of the moon facing the earth is concave, and the reverse side of the moon is convex. Laser altimeters of the Apollo-15, -17 spacecraft showed that the visible side of the moon lies below the average level, and the invisible side lies above it?
10. In cosmonautics, this is already a proven fact that the area of ​​attraction of the moon is limited to 10 thousand kilometers from the surface of the moon,
artificial satellites of the moon with a radius of the orbit of more than 10 thousand km. break out of orbit?
11. Why do tidal waves move strictly along the perimeter of lakes, seas and oceans, and not from east to west, following the moon?
12. Amphidromic point - the center of the cycle
https://ru.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amphidromicheskaya_tochka
is it a point in the ocean, where the amplitude of the tidal wave is zero, does the tidal wave “go around” this point around clockwise or counterclockwise?
13. Why in the equatorial zone, the amplitude of the tides is three times lower than in temperate zones?
14. Why are tides on the northern and southern coasts of the seas and oceans three times higher than on the eastern and western coasts, but it should be the other way around?
15. How to understand the fact that the tidal range in the Bay of Fundy yesterday was 6 meters, and today it is 18 meters.
What has changed in a day, for such a sharp jump.
16. It is believed that abnormally high spring “Tides of the century” with an amplitude of 15 meters in the Gulf of Saint-Malo are formed during the parade of planets, then why there are no abnormally high “Tides of the century” in other bays of the Northern Hemisphere during the parade of planets.
Moreover, in some bays of the Northern Hemisphere during the parade of the planets abnormally low “Tides of the Century” occur. (Bay of Fundy, Ungava Bay, Mezen Bay, Penzhinskaya Bay, etc.)?
17. How to explain the fact that in the port of Freemantle in southwestern Australia, the tides of the year are significant, and then disappear.
Once a year, in the delta of the Northern Dvina, during the spring floods, the ebb and flow of the mysteriously disappear for several days, sometimes for a week, and this is considered one of the mysteries of nature?
18. Why in the White Sea tides are 100 times higher than in the Baltic Sea.
The height of the tides in the White Sea is 10 meters, and in the Baltic 10 cm?
19. Why, during droughts, over the basins of the rivers flowing into the White Sea, anomalously low ebbs and flows occur?
20. On which theory did the Chinese tidal calendar of 1100 rely?

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[waiukuweather]

are you trying to say that the moon does not cause tides?
then how come tide charts based on the moon are so accurate?

[Fermer05]

500 years ago, when the idea of ​​ebbs and flows was formed, the thinkers did not have enough technical means to test this idea about gyres and gyroscopes, nothing was known.
And today this idea, with its simplicity and believability, is so ingrained in the minds of the public and thinkers that it will not be easy to abandon it.
The calendar of ebbs and flows existed long before the discovery of a tidal wave, compiled by the “spear method,” as they are now. As there was the usual calendar before Ptolemy and after Ptolemy, and before Copernicus, and after Copernicus.
Galileo called the Moon theory about tides, a frivolous, sad return to the area of ​​mystical nonsense and preferred to explain the tides by the rotation of the Earth.
D.G. Darwin wrote in 1911: “There is no need to search for ancient literature for the sake of the grotesque theories of tides”. However, seafarers manage to measure their height and take advantage of the tides, having no idea about the real causes of their occurrence.

[Mattk]

Always wondered where does all that water go when the tides out Can't go that far can it as it's all back in just a few hours but then the same amount never comes back the next day, so who took it?

[waiukuweather]

I think whirlpool is the wrong term you are using here
sure the tides propagates around centers, but the whole ocean is not moving sideways along with that tidal bulge that is propagating like you would in an actual whirlpool (except in harbours)
i.e the open ocean is lifted up then lowered down again as the bulge passes by..a bit like a tsunami wave travelling through the ocean...there is no sideways movement as such (there are ocean currents though, which is related to prevailing winds etc)

[mcrossley]

http://www.newworldencyclopedia.org/entry/Tide
The lunar theory of tides is too complex, it can not be studied, I think there is no person on earth who knows this theory.
Before accepting or refuting the theory, it must be examined.
Anyone who understands this theory, he will refuse it.

Then show us your simple maths to accurately calculate the tides at a given place using whirlpools please.
I'd gladly give up using harmonics if there was a much simpler way of doing it.

[Fermer05]

To calculate the height of the tides, you need to know the rotation speed of the whirlpools and the depth of the sea.
To calculate the height of the tides of the Bay of Fundy, you need to know the speed of flow in the north of the Gulf of Maine, but this data is not.
In the Bay of Fundy, for the formation of tides 18 meters high, the flow in the north of the Gulf of Maine should be about 15 km / h.
http://www.gulfofmaine-census.org/wp-content/images/circulation/fig4.jpg

[waiukuweather]

but has nothing to do with a whirlpool in the ocean
instead you just talking about water moving in and out of harbours/bays etc (which increases the resultant tide height) due to the passing bulge of increased ocean height (the tidal bulge passing under the moon as the earth rotates)

[Fermer05]

To calculate the height of the tides in the Bay of Fundy, you need to know the speed of the whirlpool and the depth of the Gulf of Maine.
If anyone has this information, please write them.
http://www.gulfofmaine-census.org/wp-content/images/circulation/fig4.jpg

[Mattk]

So what is the purpose to all of this whirlpool theory?

[Fermer05]

So what is the purpose to all of this whirlpool theory?

About tidal force.
For reference: "Tidal forces in nature - the statement that the center of the Earth is less attracted by the Moon than the surface of the Earth due to remoteness." The degree of heterogeneity of the gravitational field of the Earth depends on the distance from the Center of the Earth to the Earth's surface. And the larger the radius of the planet, the greater the heterogeneity of the gravitational field.
If tidal forces existed, then the pressure of water and air would certainly react to this, especially during the parade of the planets.
Darwin and Laplace scattered with their research the conviction that the Moon influences the barometer with its attraction.
http://www.e-reading.mobi/chapter.php/87995/21/Voroncov-Vel%27yaminov_-_Laplas.html

[mcrossley]

So what is the purpose to all of this whirlpool theory?

It is believed that the maximum tides are formed in the new moon and the minimum tides are formed in a quadrature. Has anyone tested this? (Minimal tides are formed in a full moon)?

Yes, very easily observed at places with large tidal ranges, we have about 5-6m range, springs and neaps are obvious.

[Fermer05]

Fluctuation of the amplitude of tides during the month is a rather complex phenomenon of nature and it will be rather difficult to explain it without a model of the solar system.
This is due to the oscillation of the orbital velocity of the earth, and the complex trajectory of the earth's motion in orbit, because of the barycenter.
And further.
The center of the earth can be imagined as a material point that moves in orbit at a speed of about 30 km / s, while the Bay of Fundy revolving around this point at a speed of 1,700 km / h, moves relative to the sun, then forward and backward, then tops downwards, which adds additional complexity.

[Fermer05]

https://www.tide-forecast.com/locations/Saint-Malo-France/tides/latest
 http://geosfera.org/evropa/718-la-mansh-proliv-mezhdu-angliey-i-franciey.html
This link shows that the height of the tides in the Gulf of Saint-Malo can determine the speed of the current in the Bay of La Mancha.
This month, the average height of the tides is about 10 meters and the speed of the current should be about 10 km / h.
If these numbers do not coincide, then the whirlpool theory can be considered a mistake.

[mcrossley]

Aren't you confusing cause and effect?

[AD7ZD]

Another problem with the whirlpool theory is that the tidal forces continue across land. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Earth_tide

[Fermer05]

October 3, 1869, the amplitude of the tide in the Bay of Fundy was 5 meters.
October 4, 1869 amplitude of the tide in the Bay of Fundy was 21 meters (Once in the history of observation).
For one day in the Bay of Fundy, the amplitude of the tides increased from 5 to 21 meters, 4-fold.
Question. What has changed in the Bay of Fundy in one day.
1. Gravitation.
2. The coastline
3. Inclination of the moon.
4. Rotational speed of the whirlpool.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/1869_Saxby_Gale
Sharp fluctuations in the amplitude of tides occur not only in the Bay of Fundy, but also in other bays where rivers flow.
You can read the encyclopedia
https://www.encyclopedia.com/earth-and-environment/geology-and-oceanography/geology-and-oceanography/tides
https://www.1902encyclopedia.com/T/TID/tides.html

[mcrossley]

I think you gave the answer yourself....
5. The weather!

[Fermer05]

"Moon tidal wave" moving from the Indian Ocean from east to west, crashing into the east coast of Madagascar, contrary to expectations, creates zero tides. And abnormally high tides, for some reason, are formed in the west of the island of Madagascar. Wikipedia explains this discrepancy by the reflection of the waves and the fact that the Coriolis force does its job.
And the real reason for this inconsistency is the giant circulation that revolves around the island of Madagascar at a speed of 9 km / hour, precessing reflecting a tidal wave towards the east coast of Africa.
https://youtu.be/jJ8aARJobXc
https://ru.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Train_mys_Igolny
https://ru.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mozambique_current