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The opening was published in the Russian-German scientific peer-reviewed journal "Eastern European Scientific Journal" No. 3/2015. 64. June
http://www.auris-archiv.de/journal.html
A positive review was also received from the Institute of Geography of the Russian Academy of Sciences.
Forum SPbSU Faculty of Geography.
http://www.spbgu.ru/forums/index.php?showtopic=53992

There is a strict template; tides are formed not along the entire coast of the seas and oceans, but only on those shores where the high angular velocity of the currents. And the higher the velocity of currents, the higher the amplitude of the tidal wave. On the rectilinear banks, where the currents do not have angular velocity, tides and ebbs do not form.

The waters of lakes, seas and oceans of the northern hemisphere rotate counterclockwise, while the waters of the southern hemisphere rotate clockwise, forming giant whirlpools. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ocean_gyre

As is known, everything that rotates, including whirlpools, has the property of a gyro (yule) to maintain the vertical position of the axis in space, regardless of the rotation of the Earth.

If you look at the Earth from the side of the Sun, the whirlpools, spinning with the Earth, capsize twice a day, thanks to which the whirlpools precess (swing by 1-2 degrees) and reflect the tidal wave around the perimeter of the whirlpool. http://img-fotki.yandex.ru/get/9804/7837959.21/0_f6015_1eb816e5_orig
https://goo.gl/images/URBn32

The waters of the White Sea rotate counter-clockwise, forming a huge whirlpool-gyroscope, which, precessing, reflects a tidal wave along the entire perimeter of the White Sea.
A similar pattern of tides and ebbs is observed in all lakes, seas and oceans.
http://tapemark.narod.ru/more/22.png

The waters of the Mediterranean Sea rotate counter-clockwise, forming tides, 10-15 cm high. But in Gabes Bay, "what?" Off the coast of Tunisia, the height of the tides reaches three meters, and sometimes more, and this is considered one of the mysteries of nature. But at the same time, in the Bay of Gabes the whirlpool turns, precessing the reflecting additional tidal wave ?.
A tidal wave in the Amazon River creates a huge planetary maelstrom a few thousand kilometers in diameter, rotating between South America and North Africa, embracing the mouth of the Amazon River.
The scheme of motion of a tidal wave, along the perimeter of the North Atlantic planetary maelstrom. https://youtu.be/ZEhm_ONTQKc

The length of the tidal wave depends on the diameter of the whirlpool. And the height of the tidal wave depends on the speed of rotation of the whirlpool of the orbital velocity of the Earth, and the time of the tilting of the whirlpool (12 hours).
A = V1 V2 / t
where: A is the amplitude of the tidal wave (precession angle).
V1 - rotation speed of the whirlpool.
V2 is the orbital velocity of the Earth.
t - the time of tilting of the whirlpool (12 hours).

The vortex theory of tides can be easily verified from the connection of the height of the tidal wave with the rotation speed of the whirlpools. The height of the tidal wave can determine the location of the whirlpools. Drawing on a map of the depths and currents of the seas and oceans.

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Tides and ebbs are formed not along the entire coast of the seas and oceans, but only in those coasts where the high angular velocity of the currents (1-5 km / h).
On the rectilinear coasts, where currents do not have angular velocity, tides and ebbs do not form.
With an increase in the angular velocity of the current in the north of the Sea of ​​Okhotsk (10 km / h), the height of the tides in the Penzhina Bay increases to 12 meters.
http://tapemark.narod.ru/more/41.png
With an increase in the angular velocity of the current in the north of the Gulf of Maine (15 km / h), the height of the tides in the Bay of Fundy rises to 18 meters.
https://goo.gl/images/cWTVG4
http://www.gulfofmaine-census.org/wp-content/images/circulation/fig4.jpg
"Record high tide in the Bay of Fundy - 21.6 meters - occurred only once in the history of observations, on the night of October 4 to October 5 in 1869 under the influence of the cyclone Saxby Gale."
On the night of October 4 to 5, in 1869, under the influence of the cyclone Saxby Gale, "a record rainfall fell over the river basins flowing into the Bay of Fundy (300 mm in one day), so that the waters of the Bay of Fundy poured into the Gulf of Maine and increased the speed of rotation a whirlpool in the Gulf of Maine.
http://www.gulfofmaine.org/ebm/toolkitsurvey/images/exec-sum-2.jpg
Cyclone Saxby Gale rotating counter-clockwise, also contributed to the unraveling of the whirlpool.
In an abnormally cold winter and during a drought, when rivers flowing into the Bay of Fundy merge, the height of the tides does not exceed 1 meter.
https://www.tide-forecast.com/locations/Fundy-Offshore-1-Nova-Scotia/tides/latest
Table: The dependence of the amplitude of the tides of the Bay of Fundy, on the flow velocity in the north of the Gulf of Maine.
1 km / h - 5 m
5 km / h - 10 m
10 km / h - 15 m
15 km / h - 20 m
The amplitude of the tides depends on the size of the current, the speed of the current, the direction of the current, the amount of water under the current.
The average speed of the current in the English Channel is: 12-13 km / h near the city of Portland. Great Britain, 15-18.5 km / h at Cape Ag France.

The maximum height of the tides is 15 m (the city of Saint-Malo, France).
https:/.../m.youtube.com/watch?v=JdEkHGZMh8I
https:/.../m.youtube.com/watch?v=JNOpJxfI_Mg
http://geosfera.org/evropa/718-la-mansh-proliv-mezhdu-angliey-i-franciey.html
https: // m.youtube.com/watch?v=M44miAiHhrk
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The vortex theory of tides can be easily verified by the connection between the height of the tidal wave and the rotation speed of the whirlpools.

The list of seas with an average swirl speed of more than 0.5 km / h, and an average tidal wave height of more than 5 cm:
Irish Sea, North Sea, Barents Sea, Baffin Sea, White Sea, Bering Sea, Sea of Okhotsk, Arabian Sea, Sargasso Sea, Hudson Bay, Maine Bay, Gulf of Alaska. and so on.
The list of seas with an average swirl speed of less than 0.5 km / h, and an average tidal wave height of less than 5 cm:
The Baltic Sea, the Greenland Sea, the Black Sea, the Sea of Azov, the Caspian Sea, the Chukchi Sea, the Kara Sea, the Laptev Sea, the Red Sea, the Marmara Sea, the Caribbean Sea, the Sea of Japan, the Gulf of Mexico, etc.
Note: The height of the tidal wave (soliton) and the amplitude of the tides is not the same.

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According to the lunar theory of tides, the Earth's crust at the latitude of Washington, with a frequency of two times a day, rises with an amplitude of about 20 cm, at the equator, the range exceeds half a meter.
Then why, the highest tides are formed in the temperate zones and not at the equator?
The highest tides on Earth are formed in the Fandi Bay in North America - 18 m, at the mouth of the Severn River in England - 16 m, in the Bay of Mont-Saint-Michel in France - 15 m, in the mouths of the Sea of ​​Okhotsk, Penzhinskaya and Gizhiginskaya - 13 m , at the cape Nerpinsky in the Mezensky Bay - 11 m.
The swirling theory of tides explains this inconsistency by the absence of whirlpools at the equator, as well as cyclones and anticyclones.
To form whirlpools, cyclones and anticyclones, the deflecting force of Coriolis is needed. At the equator, the Coriolis force is minimal and in the temperate zones, it is maximal.

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If, the tidal hump on Earth was created by the Moon - that would not be an ellipse but a "drop". (The force of gravity is added, not compensated).
What prevents a drop of water hanging on an apple, create two tidal hump?
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How to explain the fact that in southwest Australia in the port of Fremantle the tides are a part of the year significant, and then disappear.
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Re: Tides is the result of the rotation of the Earth and whirlpools
« Reply #7 on: May 07, 2018, 11:26:28 AM »
http://www.newworldencyclopedia.org/entry/Tide
The lunar theory of tides is too complex, it can not be studied, I think there is no person on earth who knows this theory.
Before accepting or refuting the theory, it must be examined.
Anyone who understands this theory, he will refuse it.
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Re: Tides is the result of the rotation of the Earth and whirlpools
« Reply #8 on: May 07, 2018, 04:34:22 PM »
are you trying to say that the moon does not cause tides?
then how come tide charts based on the moon are so accurate?

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Re: Tides is the result of the rotation of the Earth and whirlpools
« Reply #9 on: May 08, 2018, 05:04:45 AM »
The calendar of tides is based on observations of long-term data.
It existed before the discovery of the theory of tides.
Where the rotation speed of the whirlpools the constant height of the tides does not change, the rotation speed of the whirlpools usually changes in the bays.
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Re: Tides is the result of the rotation of the Earth and whirlpools
« Reply #10 on: May 19, 2018, 04:54:02 AM »
The amphidromic point is the center of the maelstrom
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amphidromic_point
this is the point in the ocean where the amplitude of the tidal wave is zero, the tidal wave "runs around" this point around the clockwise or counter-clockwise direction.

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Re: Tides is the result of the rotation of the Earth and whirlpools
« Reply #11 on: May 19, 2018, 05:03:48 AM »
Always wondered where does all that water go when the tides out :) Can't go that far can it as it's all back in just a few hours but then the same amount never comes back the next day, so who took it?

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Re: Tides is the result of the rotation of the Earth and whirlpools
« Reply #12 on: May 19, 2018, 06:14:44 AM »
I think whirlpool is the wrong term you are using here
sure the tides propagates around centers, but the whole ocean is not moving sideways along with that tidal bulge that is propagating like you would in an actual whirlpool (except in harbours)
i.e the open ocean is lifted up then lowered down again as the bulge passes by..a bit like a tsunami wave travelling through the ocean...there is no sideways movement as such (there are ocean currents though, which is related to prevailing winds etc)
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Re: Tides is the result of the rotation of the Earth and whirlpools
« Reply #13 on: May 19, 2018, 08:05:30 AM »
http://www.newworldencyclopedia.org/entry/Tide
The lunar theory of tides is too complex, it can not be studied, I think there is no person on earth who knows this theory.
Before accepting or refuting the theory, it must be examined.
Anyone who understands this theory, he will refuse it.
Then show us your simple maths to accurately calculate the tides at a given place using whirlpools please.
I'd gladly give up using harmonics if there was a much simpler way of doing it.
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Re: Tides is the result of the rotation of the Earth and whirlpools
« Reply #14 on: May 20, 2018, 12:00:00 PM »
To calculate the height of the tides, you need to know the rotation speed of the whirlpools and the depth of the sea.
To calculate the height of the tides of the Bay of Fundy, you need to know the speed of flow in the north of the Gulf of Maine, but this data is not.
In the Bay of Fundy, for the formation of tides 18 meters high, the flow in the north of the Gulf of Maine should be about 15 km / h.
http://www.gulfofmaine-census.org/wp-content/images/circulation/fig4.jpg
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Re: Tides is the result of the rotation of the Earth and whirlpools
« Reply #15 on: May 20, 2018, 03:15:03 PM »
but has nothing to do with a whirlpool in the ocean
instead you just talking about water moving in and out of harbours/bays etc (which increases the resultant tide height) due to the passing bulge of increased ocean height (the tidal bulge passing under the moon as the earth rotates)

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Re: Tides is the result of the rotation of the Earth and whirlpools
« Reply #16 on: May 21, 2018, 02:58:28 AM »
To calculate the height of the tides in the Bay of Fundy, you need to know the speed of the whirlpool and the depth of the Gulf of Maine.
If anyone has this information, please write them.
http://www.gulfofmaine-census.org/wp-content/images/circulation/fig4.jpg

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Re: Tides is the result of the rotation of the Earth and whirlpools
« Reply #17 on: June 02, 2018, 01:58:01 AM »
"Lunar tidal current" moving from the Indian Ocean from east to west, crashing into the eastern shore of the island of Madagascar, contrary to expectations creates zero tides. And the abnormally high tidal wave for some reason arises between the island of Madagascar and the eastern coast of Africa. Wikipedia explains this discrepancy by the reflection of waves and by the fact that the Coriolis force is doing its job.
And the real reason for this inconsistency is the giant whirlpool, revolving around the island of Madagascar at a speed of 9 km / h, and precessing the reflecting tidal wave towards the eastern coast of Africa.
https://ru.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Течение_мыса_Игольного
https://ru.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Мозамбикское_течение
http://ffden-2.phys.uaf.edu/645fall2003_web.dir/ellie_boyce/tidal%20types%20fig.gif
The amplitude of the tides depends on the size of the current, the speed of the current, the direction of the current, the amount of water under the current.

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Re: Tides is the result of the rotation of the Earth and whirlpools
« Reply #18 on: June 02, 2018, 02:57:33 AM »
So what is the purpose to all of this whirlpool theory?

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Re: Tides is the result of the rotation of the Earth and whirlpools
« Reply #19 on: June 23, 2018, 04:33:14 AM »
So what is the purpose to all of this whirlpool theory?
It is believed that the maximum tides are formed in the new moon and the minimum tides are formed in a quadrature. Has anyone tested this? (Minimal tides are formed in a full moon)?

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Re: Tides is the result of the rotation of the Earth and whirlpools
« Reply #20 on: June 23, 2018, 11:50:35 AM »
So what is the purpose to all of this whirlpool theory?
It is believed that the maximum tides are formed in the new moon and the minimum tides are formed in a quadrature. Has anyone tested this? (Minimal tides are formed in a full moon)?
Yes, very easily observed at places with large tidal ranges, we have about 5-6m range, springs and neaps are obvious.
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Re: Tides is the result of the rotation of the Earth and whirlpools
« Reply #21 on: June 24, 2018, 12:08:50 AM »
Fluctuation of the amplitude of tides during the month is a rather complex phenomenon of nature and it will be rather difficult to explain it without a model of the solar system.
This is due to the oscillation of the orbital velocity of the earth, and the complex trajectory of the earth's motion in orbit, because of the barycenter.
And further.
The center of the earth can be imagined as a material point that moves in orbit at a speed of about 30 km / s, while the Bay of Fundy revolving around this point at a speed of 1,700 km / h, moves relative to the sun, then forward and backward, then tops downwards, which adds additional complexity.
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Re: Tides is the result of the rotation of the Earth and whirlpools
« Reply #22 on: June 27, 2018, 02:45:58 AM »
https://www.tide-forecast.com/locations/Saint-Malo-France/tides/latest
 http://geosfera.org/evropa/718-la-mansh-proliv-mezhdu-angliey-i-franciey.html
This link shows that the height of the tides in the Gulf of Saint-Malo can determine the speed of the current in the Bay of La Mancha.
This month, the average height of the tides is about 10 meters and the speed of the current should be about 10 km / h.
If these numbers do not coincide, then the whirlpool theory can be considered a mistake.

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Re: Tides is the result of the rotation of the Earth and whirlpools
« Reply #23 on: June 27, 2018, 08:01:21 AM »
Aren't you confusing cause and effect?
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Re: Tides is the result of the rotation of the Earth and whirlpools
« Reply #24 on: June 28, 2018, 02:53:56 PM »
Another problem with the whirlpool theory is that the tidal forces continue across land. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Earth_tide


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