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ObserverIP latest Firmware Upgrade-NO TELNET
« on: September 30, 2017, 10:46:57 AM »
This morning, just out of curiosity, I checked Ambient website for the latest OIP firmware. To my surprise this is what the latest release do.

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Version 4.3.1:
•Removes Telnet capability.

There is no release date, so I don't know when it was done. Also no explanation why they are removing Telnet.

I am redirecting the OIP to my website where I pull the data out before passing the data to WU. For this, I need to be able to Telnet to the OIP to change the settings. Screen scraping is an alternative, but not very reliable.

I guess I will be staying on 4.2.1 from now on.
Who else re-directs the OIP?




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Re: ObserverIP latest Firmware Upgrade-NO TELNET
« Reply #1 on: January 02, 2018, 04:45:22 PM »
Could anyone help me find a copy of the 4-2-1 firmware. I also don't want to lose telnet port 23 capability. Just got an Osprey 2902 a few months ago and just got am ObserverIp v4.1.3 today and my Tl-wr3020 is in the mail, well UPS. I read I need WS-1600 IP and the version I received today only goes to ws-1400.  Trying to get the software together so I can write my own. Don't want to update to the new Observer firmware 4.3.6 as am afraid I might not be able to revert back as is the practice with most devices these days.

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Re: ObserverIP latest Firmware Upgrade-NO TELNET
« Reply #2 on: January 02, 2018, 04:52:05 PM »
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Re: ObserverIP latest Firmware Upgrade-NO TELNET
« Reply #3 on: January 02, 2018, 04:54:16 PM »
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Don't want to update to the new Observer firmware 4.3.6 as am afraid I might not be able to revert back as is the practice with most devices these days.

No problem in going back to previous versions, done that myself.
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Re: ObserverIP latest Firmware Upgrade-NO TELNET
« Reply #4 on: January 02, 2018, 05:04:55 PM »
Also no explanation why they are removing Telnet.


Telnet has long been considered a security risk and has been dropped from most everything.  A session is too easy to sniff and get the password.

Usually it's functionality gets replaced by SSH.  I usually use PuTTY for that.


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Re: ObserverIP latest Firmware Upgrade-NO TELNET
« Reply #5 on: January 02, 2018, 05:20:06 PM »
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Telnet has long been considered a security risk
I agree on that. But on internal networks it is still 'ok' as you need physical access to the wired network to sniff the packets.
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Re: ObserverIP latest Firmware Upgrade-NO TELNET
« Reply #6 on: January 02, 2018, 05:22:40 PM »
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Telnet has long been considered a security risk
I agree on that. But on internal networks it is still 'ok' as you need physical access to the wired network to sniff the packets.

True.  Unfortunately many are reactionary about it these days.  They see "telnet" and have a conniption.   :roll:

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« Reply #7 on: January 02, 2018, 05:25:18 PM »
haha, can you spell "SOX Auditors"
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Re: ObserverIP latest Firmware Upgrade-NO TELNET
« Reply #8 on: January 02, 2018, 05:31:51 PM »
Responding to a previous msg. So you are saying you can update firmware to newest and still revert back to previous versions... If I read you right? Yes Telnet was a bad word back 10 or so years ago. everyone thought bad things would happen to your personal stuff if you left that port open. Great if you want to see what's going on and make your own changes.

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Re: ObserverIP latest Firmware Upgrade-NO TELNET
« Reply #9 on: January 02, 2018, 05:40:14 PM »
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So you are saying you can update firmware to newest and still revert back to previous versions...
That is correct.

Now I am curious, on the Telnet thing and nincehelser comment
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Usually it's functionality gets replaced by SSH.
Can you check if the new version supports SSH1 and/or SSH2 before installing 4.2.1?

4.2.1 does not support SSH.
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Re: ObserverIP latest Firmware Upgrade-NO TELNET
« Reply #10 on: January 02, 2018, 05:51:36 PM »
SSH is normally port 22 and it is in fact not open on the ObserverIP.  The only ports I found open where 23, 69, 80 and 5000 so far.

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Re: ObserverIP latest Firmware Upgrade-NO TELNET
« Reply #11 on: January 02, 2018, 05:56:39 PM »
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Don't want to update to the new Observer firmware 4.3.6 as am afraid I might not be able to revert back as is the practice with most devices these days.
Apologies, I re-read your post and saw you have not upgraded to 4.3.6 yet.
I might try it just for kicks  :shock:
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Re: ObserverIP latest Firmware Upgrade-NO TELNET
« Reply #12 on: January 02, 2018, 05:58:45 PM »
Not sure how but I think I just bricked my new ObserverIp by trying to update to 4.2.1 waited 10-15 min and no activity. unplugged power and back on and nothing. now to look for a forum on how to unbrick.

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Re: ObserverIP latest Firmware Upgrade-NO TELNET
« Reply #13 on: January 02, 2018, 06:04:59 PM »
I have a post somewhere here how to do it via a back door
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Re: ObserverIP latest Firmware Upgrade-NO TELNET
« Reply #14 on: January 02, 2018, 06:11:05 PM »
Found it.

There is a "back door" method to recover from a failed update  :grin:

If you don't already have previous firmware versions stored on your computer, download it first.
Start IP Tools, but don't search for the observerIP using the 'Search' button. Click on 'Upgrade'. Choose the firmware .bin file of your choice and click on 'Upgrade Firmware'. After a few seconds, you will see the firmware being pushed to the OIP. This should restore your device to working condition.

http://www.wxforum.net/index.php?topic=32434.0
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Re: ObserverIP latest Firmware Upgrade-NO TELNET
« Reply #15 on: January 02, 2018, 06:19:34 PM »
Tried that. the progress bar as in first attempt never starts the upload/update process. Not sure what's wrong. Worked out of the box before updating to 4.2.1 or trying to.

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Re: ObserverIP latest Firmware Upgrade-NO TELNET
« Reply #16 on: January 02, 2018, 06:21:08 PM »
Not sure I want to open this up to look for a jtag plug or have to add one. to late to call Ambient today.

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Re: ObserverIP latest Firmware Upgrade-NO TELNET
« Reply #17 on: January 02, 2018, 06:37:56 PM »
Just remembered but not sure if it's on this ObserverIP or the Meteobrige you hold the reset during power up?

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Re: ObserverIP latest Firmware Upgrade-NO TELNET
« Reply #18 on: January 02, 2018, 06:43:23 PM »
On the OIP you just press the reset switch.
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Re: ObserverIP latest Firmware Upgrade-NO TELNET
« Reply #19 on: January 02, 2018, 06:57:20 PM »
Yep, very bricked unless someone knows another way without opening a brand new OIP.

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Re: ObserverIP latest Firmware Upgrade-NO TELNET
« Reply #20 on: January 02, 2018, 07:01:12 PM »
On the OIP you just press the reset switch.

Tried everyway I could think of/Find. Nada. To light for a paperweight in a light wind.

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Re: ObserverIP latest Firmware Upgrade-NO TELNET
« Reply #21 on: January 02, 2018, 07:10:02 PM »
What Leds are on?
Are you on a wired connection on your computer and OIP?
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Re: ObserverIP latest Firmware Upgrade-NO TELNET
« Reply #22 on: January 02, 2018, 07:19:47 PM »
The 3 Right side... Power, Link and  Act...Acticity only. Yes plugged into router directly with same computer.

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Re: ObserverIP latest Firmware Upgrade-NO TELNET
« Reply #23 on: January 02, 2018, 07:23:09 PM »
Only msg's I get during Upgrade is
"DHCP server @ 192.168.1.3 is running on UDP port 67 successfully.
TFTP server @ 192.168.1.3 is running on UDP port 69 successfully".

Progress bad never indicates progress uploading or updating
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Re: ObserverIP latest Firmware Upgrade-NO TELNET
« Reply #24 on: January 02, 2018, 07:30:10 PM »

Did you try flashing version 4.1.3 back to the OIP? ambient_v4.1.3.bin
Have you downloaded the latest IPtools? (32 or 64 bit)
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