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Wither Weatherflow?
« on: November 14, 2016, 11:13:38 AM »
https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/weatherflow-smart-weather-stations#/  Any comments?  FWIW I can't reconcile the  uptake on IGG to the total $ raised?

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Re: Wither Weatherflow?
« Reply #1 on: November 14, 2016, 11:26:11 AM »
sure they have put the estimated shipping back a few times
but they say because they want to get it right

you putting the word wither in the subject line, are you wanting to start some flame war?

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Re: Wither Weatherflow?
« Reply #2 on: November 14, 2016, 11:30:25 AM »
Flame war?  PLease....  it was a little bit of alliteration to create a catchy title.

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Re: Wither Weatherflow?
« Reply #3 on: November 14, 2016, 11:31:11 AM »
It´s getting a little bit closer, but still long way to go... :D

http://www.wxforum.net/index.php?topic=29654.msg290979#msg290979

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Re: Wither Weatherflow?
« Reply #4 on: November 14, 2016, 11:31:56 AM »

I guess I'll have to reconsider ordering a new VP2Plus ;)


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Re: Wither Weatherflow?
« Reply #5 on: November 14, 2016, 11:33:43 AM »

I guess I'll have to reconsider ordering a new VP2Plus ;)


Paul

it would be nice if there was finally some serious competition for Davis, because thats the only thing that drives development and obviously right now there isnt any progress and VP3 has been mentioned on their FB 5 years ago.

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Re: Wither Weatherflow?
« Reply #6 on: November 14, 2016, 11:40:12 AM »
I really doubt this (WF) will be the kick in the pants Davis needs.  Maybe competition for Chaney.

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« Reply #7 on: November 14, 2016, 12:07:10 PM »
Yes, you are probably right, it is more likely going to be some more established brand, not a startup, but either way, lets just hope there finally is one because right now there isnt and how old is VP2? :D

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« Reply #8 on: November 14, 2016, 12:44:43 PM »
My issue with the other guys is the poor quality hardware.  How hard is it to make a decent tipping bucket?  Compare Acurite to Davis for instance.  (I was involved in some custom plastic fabrication using Chinese suppliers and was shocked at how cheap it was in quantity.  Esp nowadays with online CNC and prototyping with 3D printers)

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« Reply #9 on: November 14, 2016, 12:48:43 PM »
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Flame war?  PLease....  it was a little bit of alliteration to create a catchy title.
this forum can be a nice place to visit

snippy subject lines and pretend not to be starting a flame was is not what this forum should be about

you could have easily used a completly different subject line and subject matter
e.g, "hopefully the wait and a few set backs in the shipping date will be worth it and a great quality product will be delivered"
instead of attacking me with 'Please...'
but that is just my opinion

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Re: Wither Weatherflow?
« Reply #10 on: November 14, 2016, 12:49:47 PM »
Let's try to stay on topic.
"Nature can do without man, but man cannot do without nature."


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Re: Wither Weatherflow?
« Reply #11 on: November 14, 2016, 12:52:20 PM »
Pot, kettle, etc.  :roll:

And back to our regularly scheduled programming.  I took a QUICK look and did not see any system/sensor specs anywhere.  At their price point I would not expect them to be high, but before plunking down a couple hundred bucks it would be nice to know.  Given the drop in sensor prices, I would hope that they (WF) are targeting a higher level consumer, possibly closer to the pro-sumer level.  But maybe not?

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Re: Wither Weatherflow?
« Reply #12 on: November 14, 2016, 12:56:33 PM »
Right now there are only two stations that I know of, where the design of the actual unit is of great importance - BS and NetAtmo - both of which I do not really consider an ideal station for a real weather enthusiast.

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Re: Wither Weatherflow?
« Reply #13 on: November 14, 2016, 01:01:08 PM »
Pot, kettle, etc.  :roll:

And back to our regularly scheduled programming.  I took a QUICK look and did not see any system/sensor specs anywhere.  At their price point I would not expect them to be high, but before plunking down a couple hundred bucks it would be nice to know.  Given the drop in sensor prices, I would hope that they (WF) are targeting a higher level consumer, possibly closer to the pro-sumer level.  But maybe not?

There is a few facts in the image labels and I am not very optimistic about it to be quite honest...

Eg:
temp sensor: +/- 0.4 deg C
humidity: +/- 4%


And I completely agree that detailed sensor specifications should be included, which is not the case (or if they are, they are very hard to find because I didnt find them even after reading the entire Indigogo page and the product main website)

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Re: Wither Weatherflow?
« Reply #14 on: November 14, 2016, 01:06:15 PM »
OK found it (hidden in FAQ at the very bottom :D)

Lightning Sensor

(AMS AS3935)
detects cloud-to-cloud and cloud-to-ground lightning strikes up to 40 km (25 miles)
estimates strength distance to leading edge of storm
Temperature/Humidity Sensor

(Silicon Labs Si7021)
air temperature -40° to 85 °C +/- 0.4 °C
relative humidity 0 to 100% +/- 4%
reports dew point & apparent temperature
Pressure Sensor

(Bosch BMP280)
atmospheric (barometric) pressure up to 1100 mbar +/- 1 mbar
reports both station pressure & mean sea level pressure
Haptic Rain Sensor

(WeatherFlow design)
detects the instant it starts to rain
provides hourly rate & daily accumulation at 0.2mm resolution
Sonic Wind Sensor

(WeatherFlow design)
continuously samples wind speed and direction 0 to 100 mph +/- 0.5 mph
calculates one-minute and five-minute average speed, direction & gust
Light Sensor

(Silicon Labs Si1132)
visible and infrared ambient light 1 to 128 kLUX +/- 100 mLUX
UV index (0-11+)
reports solar radiation 0 to 1900 W/m2 +/- 5%

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Re: Wither Weatherflow?
« Reply #15 on: November 14, 2016, 01:33:43 PM »
Thanks for finding and posting those. Interestingly they are all I2C.  Cost of 2-3 bucks each.  With the I2C stuff there might be a way to integrate to other devices more easily.

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Re: Wither Weatherflow?
« Reply #16 on: November 14, 2016, 01:36:31 PM »
Yes, so you might actually think about changing the thread title ;)

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Re: Wither Weatherflow?
« Reply #17 on: November 14, 2016, 02:17:46 PM »
Perhaps the intended word was WHither, (what has/will become of) not Wither (to become weaker or smaller and then disappear) ????

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Re: Wither Weatherflow?
« Reply #18 on: November 14, 2016, 02:31:21 PM »
I really doubt this (WF) will be the kick in the pants Davis needs.
Not even close.
At least my ancient VP2 ISS sits in the sun as a wx station should, and does it very well.

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Re: Wither Weatherflow?
« Reply #19 on: November 14, 2016, 02:34:34 PM »
Or the intransitive "wither" as in "delayed, fading".   Sometimes happens with  IGG products. Seriously, if people are getting bent out of shape by a bad alliterative "punny" title then Admins - go ahead:  change it to whatever.

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« Reply #20 on: November 14, 2016, 03:00:18 PM »
They are not exactly a startup they do have a bit of weather history to bring to the table.

It's should be a good entry level station for people getting into weather equipment not a VP2 contender.

I see this unit as a starting point for them, they have plans to produce a pro quality unit after this one. This unit gives them time to test what they can do and get needed feedback for a more advanced unit down the road.

I look forward to seeing what they can come up with, competition of any kind can only be good.
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Re: Wither Weatherflow?
« Reply #21 on: November 14, 2016, 03:00:59 PM »
Nah, I'm not going to change it. I just thought you left the "h" out of whither. :) Seems like much ado about nothing to me.

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Re: Wither Weatherflow?
« Reply #22 on: November 14, 2016, 03:49:05 PM »
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it would be nice if there was finally some serious competition for Davis

There is  but it just little more costly. Only reason I am using an Davis is for the solar/Uv which rain wise has not added for what ever reason. Where I live Rainwise reaches the temps extreme we go thru here were Davis  don't even come close to.


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Re: Wither Weatherflow?
« Reply #23 on: November 14, 2016, 04:21:06 PM »
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it would be nice if there was finally some serious competition for Davis

Where I live Rainwise reaches the temps extreme we go thru here were Davis  don't even come close to.
John
Curious, how often do you get colder than -40, and the RW's low end of -66F?

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« Reply #24 on: November 14, 2016, 06:03:09 PM »
Speaking of Rainwise, I think they might be in the best spot to create a Davis challenger.  Think "Rainwise Lite".  Sure they might have to give up their made in USA labeling (The Donald will be PO'ed!) but with all the new sensors and the plastics capacity overseas they could easily  transplant the guts of their station into a worthy competitor.  As for Weatherflow, it probably makes sens to start with a cheaper consumer product that segues into a higher end.  Hopefully they will get there.  the specs of the sensors look decent so that helps.

 

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