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Offline waiukuweather

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Re: The Warming Climate
« Reply #175 on: November 24, 2016, 07:07:07 PM »
one issue I have with the graphic posted by ValentineWeather is it shows a very large global cool down in 1991
but I have not seen anything else like that in other data
e.g
http://climate.nasa.gov/
only shows a 0.1C decrease around that time
and not an over 1F drop like that graphic shows

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Re: The Warming Climate
« Reply #176 on: December 27, 2016, 12:10:02 AM »
the video in this blog is very informative and well presented (but long)
http://blogs.agu.org/wildwildscience/2016/12/16/two-broadcast-meteorologists-working-separate-real-fake/

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Re: The Warming Climate
« Reply #177 on: January 13, 2017, 05:52:07 PM »
Skips a bunch of pages....

In my boredom, I started going back through some charts I've been keeping for the last 5 years of daily highs and lows.  I started checking on records available from our local WFO; High, Low, Lowest High and Highest Low.  I went over my chart and color coded each record over the 4 complete years I have 2013, 14, 15 and 16.

I found 42 record daily lows or lowest highs and 42 record highs or highest lows.  I was not expecting to find equal counts.  Notably most of the cold numbers were in '15 and most of the warm numbers were in '16.

I didn't dig into things like how much the records were different from normal, etc. or how they were clustered together, if at all.  Many of the old records (both warm and cold) were long ago, 1940s-1960s.

Probably doesn't mean a thing, but I found it odd that the count was so equal.

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Re: The Warming Climate
« Reply #178 on: January 13, 2017, 05:53:48 PM »
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the last 5 years

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Probably doesn't mean a thing

In terms of climate - no, it doesn't :)

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Re: The Warming Climate
« Reply #179 on: January 13, 2017, 06:01:27 PM »
Climate = infinity mean.

Weather = daily ± variances.
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« Reply #180 on: January 13, 2017, 06:04:11 PM »
When doing any sort of climate analyses or drawing conclusions in terms of longterm trends we only look at stations with at least one normal period (30 years) of good quality measurements.

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« Reply #181 on: January 13, 2017, 06:14:46 PM »
"...30 years is very small drip in a 4.543 billion year ocean..."
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Re: The Warming Climate
« Reply #182 on: January 13, 2017, 06:18:34 PM »
Yes, but the trend, how dynamic it is etc. can tell you something for at least a few upcoming decades - you are right, we cant tell much about what will be in 500 years :)


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« Reply #183 on: January 13, 2017, 06:31:02 PM »
Old Tele man
no one is saying the climate has not changed lots in earths past
but it has been relatively stable, globally, for the last 50,000 years
it is currently warming at a relatively fast rate (compared to how the global mean temperature has been for 1000's of years in the past)
that is the problem, the speed of warming: nature is having a hard time adapting/keeping up

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« Reply #184 on: January 13, 2017, 06:35:07 PM »
Old Tele man
no one is saying the climate has not changed lots in earths past
but it has been relatively stable, globally, for the last 50,000 years
it is currently warming at a relatively fast rate (compared to how the global mean temperature has been for 1000's of years in the past)
that is the problem, the speed of warming: nature is having a hard time adapting/keeping up
Obviously, some people can not 'see' a tongue-in-cheek "scale-of-magnitudes" time-line comparison when it's posted (wink,wink).
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« Reply #185 on: January 20, 2017, 01:49:12 PM »
At 12:00 pm today, all climate change links were removed from the White House Website.  =D>
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Re: The Warming Climate
« Reply #186 on: January 20, 2017, 01:56:21 PM »
That's not going to stop the warming

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« Reply #187 on: January 20, 2017, 02:03:54 PM »
It's a start. The next step is plowing through the Department of Commerce & removing the cancer in which has damaged the National Weather Service. We might get some real folks in the Department of Commerce who actually know about forecasting the weather, instead of declaring an agenda.   
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Re: The Warming Climate
« Reply #188 on: January 20, 2017, 02:05:33 PM »
And I will also speculate, you might starting see better model updates (GFS).
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Re: The Warming Climate
« Reply #189 on: January 20, 2017, 02:05:58 PM »
So after 3 record breaking warm years in a row globally
You still want to deny global warming?

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« Reply #190 on: January 20, 2017, 02:10:27 PM »
At 12:00 pm today, all climate change links were removed from the White House Website.  =D>

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Re: The Warming Climate
« Reply #191 on: January 20, 2017, 02:12:37 PM »
How can you celebrate a president sticking his head in the sand and denying and ignoring what is happening to global temperatures?

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Re: The Warming Climate
« Reply #193 on: January 20, 2017, 02:56:50 PM »
When doing any sort of climate analyses or drawing conclusions in terms of longterm trends we only look at stations with at least one normal period (30 years) of good quality measurements.

That being the case you had better drop a LOT of data. Watch video. Want more examples? I can provide it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1RNuYd4v8es

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« Reply #194 on: January 20, 2017, 02:59:31 PM »
Other countries have long term data showing a warming
Trend and the research will continue around the world even if the USA stops

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Re: The Warming Climate
« Reply #195 on: January 20, 2017, 03:00:58 PM »
Well thats US´s problem, here we obviously take this much more seriously, stations are regularly checked, properly sited etc etc. So we dont need to drop anything

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Re: The Warming Climate
« Reply #196 on: January 20, 2017, 03:06:34 PM »
No worries, there is money before Trump is replaced :D

http://inhabitat.com/obama-spends-500-million-to-combat-climate-change-before-trump-takes-office/
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« Reply #197 on: January 20, 2017, 03:12:19 PM »
OK, and this is my point of view:
This is stubborn so-called "expert" only caring for his personal interests, disregarding potential risks (notice the word potential, I said this here a million times, Im not saying climate change is 100% caused by humans, however, it is a possibility and so it must be researched because if it gets too far we are doomed). This is the same principle as getting insurance. If you dont have one and something happens you will always be screwed. If you have it either nothing will happen, or in case something does, you are "insured".

I.e.
If there is potentially a problem lets just pretend there is no, ignore it and just in case it turns out there is let others deal with it.
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Re: The Warming Climate
« Reply #198 on: January 21, 2017, 01:21:11 AM »
I definitely do not want to argue with you, but you are not going to persuade me either, I have a very clear opinion about it... in the end it is good people have diiferent opinions... world would be quite boring otherwise don´t you think? ;)
No, it's not equally valid opinions. You have the patience of a saint!


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Re: The Warming Climate
« Reply #199 on: January 24, 2017, 06:27:10 AM »
So you will save money by not investing on climate change research and trying to reduce it.

Will you really save money?

http://www.nature.com/articles/ncomms13931 - just published

Btw... this is a journal with highest reputation in the world

 

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