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Title: Weather Station does not appear on WunderMap
Post by: Mogens on December 05, 2016, 10:37:04 AM
According to my knowledge, my weather station provides valid data to WU every 16 seconds.
But for a long time one or two weeks - the station has not been represented on WunderMap.
I have asked WU for an explanation, but received no reply.
Is there anything I can do to view the station?
Title: Re: Weather Station does not appear on WunderMap
Post by: saberonyx on December 05, 2016, 10:46:43 AM
According to my knowledge, my weather station provides valid data to WU every 16 seconds.
But for a long time one or two weeks - the station has not been represented on WunderMap.
I have asked WU for an explanation, but received no reply.
Is there anything I can do to view the station?
How about on the app,does it show up when the "layers" are put on stations and cameras?....Or do you mean just on the pc?(http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20161205/81905f44c5fdc76767b5fc3435a6d875.jpg)

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Title: Re: Weather Station does not appear on WunderMap
Post by: catdon on December 05, 2016, 11:25:39 AM
If there are other stations nearby, you sometimes need to zoom in pretty tight to see a particular station...Its becoming more cluttered with all the cheap inaccurate stations being added.
Title: Re: Weather Station does not appear on WunderMap
Post by: Mogens on December 05, 2016, 12:35:34 PM
If there are other stations nearby, you sometimes need to zoom in pretty tight to see a particular station...Its becoming more cluttered with all the cheap inaccurate stations being added.

It's on my pc
Even when I fully zoom, the station is not shown.
Title: Re: Weather Station does not appear on WunderMap
Post by: saberonyx on December 05, 2016, 12:47:19 PM
If there are other stations nearby, you sometimes need to zoom in pretty tight to see a particular station...Its becoming more cluttered with all the cheap inaccurate stations being added.

It's on my pc
Even when I fully zoom, the station is not shown.
Ohh,ok I see. Sorry Im not sure of the problem.

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Title: Re: Weather Station does not appear on WunderMap
Post by: wa3pnt on December 05, 2016, 07:16:14 PM
My station disappears, and then reappears periodically.

When it is not visible on the map, I can still connect to my PWS on WU and the data is there.

RodeoGeorge
Title: Re: Weather Station does not appear on WunderMap
Post by: Mogens on December 06, 2016, 03:57:22 AM
My station disappears, and then reappears periodically.
When it is not visible on the map, I can still connect to my PWS on WU and the data is there.
RodeoGeorge

Thanks for reply.
It works the same way for me.
Fortunately, the weather is the same whether you can see my station on the map or not  :grin:
Title: Re: Weather Station does not appear on WunderMap
Post by: sundevil01010101 on December 06, 2016, 04:21:05 AM
I believe if you fail the WU data consistency checks for a certain period your station will be removed from the WU map until it start passing the QC checks again.

From WU PWS blog:

If your station is reporting just fine but you cannot find your station on the wundermap or the station list, it is probably getting flagged and removed by our QC process. We have to sanity check all of the data that comes in from our personal weather stations, to ensure we are displaying reasonable data on our map. However, occasionally some things slip through the cracks, like some erroneous data appearing on the wundermap or accurate data being removed from the wundermap. This is because we have to compare the temperature at your station to nearby stations, to validate the data. If the temperature at your station is significantly warmer or cooler than nearby stations, it will get flagged by the QC algorithm and removed from the map and the station list. But when coastal or elevation influences are present, the temperature may actually vary significantly. It is very hard to capture these real temperature differences, this is why we have been working so hard to improve our QC algorithm.
Title: Re: Weather Station does not appear on WunderMap
Post by: Mogens on December 06, 2016, 05:03:32 AM
Thanks for another answer.
I have seen the explanation from WU.
But I actually think that my measurements are very close to measurements from the stations in the neighborhood.
There are other stations shown in WunderMap that measures further from the official measurements from the Danish Meteorological Institute.
Title: Re: Weather Station does not appear on WunderMap
Post by: sundevil01010101 on December 06, 2016, 05:13:42 AM
Thanks for another answer.
I have seen the explanation from WU.
But I actually think that my measurements are very close to measurements from the stations in the neighborhood.
There are other stations shown in WunderMap that measures further from the official measurements from the Danish Meteorological Institute.

Is your station a gold star station?  I'm curious because if it is, then by their definition it should be showing on the WU map.   

What is the station id?
Title: Re: Weather Station does not appear on WunderMap
Post by: Mogens on December 06, 2016, 05:23:14 AM
My station was a Gold Star station, till it disappeared from the map a few weeks ago  :roll:
IDKFREDE2
Title: Re: Weather Station does not appear on WunderMap
Post by: ValentineWeather on December 06, 2016, 05:41:19 AM
Double check password/user name. Its the same information you log into WU with.
Title: Re: Weather Station does not appear on WunderMap
Post by: sundevil01010101 on December 06, 2016, 05:45:14 AM
Well I think there is your answer but the question is why WU thinks you are no longer passing their QC checks.

I have had a similar problem, not with failing QC checks but having gaps in data due to some issues with my Meteobridge setup on my station KAZSURPR57 that caused me to lose gold star status.  Has there been any reporting gaps due to station maintenance or something else?

Since I was reporting data that passed QC when it was reporting I don't think it ever got removed but I don't check Wundermap very often.

I'm about 99.9999% sure I fixed my MB Sunday night but I'm still not gold star on that one until I believe the get 5 consecutive days of full reporting.   

If that is the case it may just be needing enough time/good reports to appear again.

Title: Re: Weather Station does not appear on WunderMap
Post by: sundevil01010101 on December 06, 2016, 05:48:57 AM
Double check password/user name. Its the same information you log into WU with.

His station is sending data to WU so that wouldn't seem to be his issue, seems more data gaps/data quality..

I checked his WU page and his website and all seems good at least as far as reporting, data quality I could not say...
Title: Re: Weather Station does not appear on WunderMap
Post by: Mogens on December 06, 2016, 05:53:59 AM
Double check password/user name. Its the same information you log into WU with.

All my data is correctly uploaded to WU, as can be seen here:
https://www.wunderground.com/personal-weather-station/dashboard?ID=IDKFREDE2 (https://www.wunderground.com/personal-weather-station/dashboard?ID=IDKFREDE2)

It amazes me just that when data best of my knowledge is good, the station is not shown on WunderMap.
Title: Re: Weather Station does not appear on WunderMap
Post by: sundevil01010101 on December 06, 2016, 06:05:51 PM
If you keep submitting good data I am 100% sure you will show back up again in the near future.

It's quite annoying/disappointing but luckily not fatal :)..

Cheer up my friend, I predict it will show back up on the map soon! 

PS! I just happened to try https://danish.wunderground.com/personal-weather-station/dashboard?ID=IDKFREDE3

This is pretty weird, is this station very near or related to you at all?   WU says gold star but quit reporting 5 days ago????   

Seems like about when you'quit seeing yours too, no?  Some sort of station confusion?'
Title: Re: Weather Station does not appear on WunderMap
Post by: sundevil01010101 on December 06, 2016, 06:18:19 PM
This is a not a good sign lol.

https://danish.wunderground.com/weatherstation/ListStations.asp?selectedCountry=Denmark

It shows totally blank for me....  even did the drop down to select Denmark - View and still blank.
Title: Re: Weather Station does not appear on WunderMap
Post by: Mogens on December 07, 2016, 05:33:00 AM
If you keep submitting good data I am 100% sure you will show back up again in the near future.
It's quite annoying/disappointing but luckily not fatal :)..
Cheer up my friend, I predict it will show back up on the map soon! 
PS! I just happened to try https://danish.wunderground.com/personal-weather-station/dashboard?ID=IDKFREDE3
This is pretty weird, is this station very near or related to you at all?   WU says gold star but quit reporting 5 days ago????   
Seems like about when you'quit seeing yours too, no?  Some sort of station confusion?'

Hello again and thanks for response
I have nothing to do with the station IDKFREDE3.
It is located in a town Fredericia 300 km from here.

My station, IDKFREDE2 is located near a city, Frederikshavn.

This is a not a good sign lol.

https://danish.wunderground.com/weatherstation/ListStations.asp?selectedCountry=Denmark

It shows totally blank for me....  even did the drop down to select Denmark - View and still blank.

I am more and more convinced that it is not me who has a problem.
It must be WU that has the problem.

When I search on Sweden, I see only two stations, and if I look at England, only three stations.
In both countries there are hundreds of stations.

Title: Re: Weather Station does not appear on WunderMap
Post by: Mogens on December 08, 2016, 04:23:05 AM
Then I got a reply from WU:

It looks like your station was flagged by QC and temporarily removed from the maps and apps 2 days ago. This happened when your station reported 52 degrees when nearby stations were reporting in the upper 40s to near 50. If this continues to happen you may want to compare your temperature data to a calibrated thermometer and adjust the calibration settings if necessary.

Thanks and let me know if you have any other questions,
Kari


I replied that my station for a long time have sent data that is very close to - or equal to - data from stations in the neighborhood. But my station appears still not on WunderMap.

I have also written that it amazes me that another station - IDKFREDE3 - may be a GolsStar station, although it has not transmitted data since Dec. 1.

Now we will see what happens.
Title: Re: Weather Station does not appear on WunderMap
Post by: bill075 on December 08, 2016, 09:46:22 AM
I have the same issue since Nov.22,2016.
No rapid fire and not showing on the map. My station (Rainwise) has been up and running since June 2009, put new temp/humidity sensor in back in Sept 2016.  Located central Indiana
Title: Re: Weather Station does not appear on WunderMap
Post by: catdon on December 08, 2016, 12:29:35 PM
I sometimes think that  even support doesn't  know what's going on over there... On a couple of occasions, I've gotten a reply back from a support  question that either made no sense or was flat out wrong.
Title: Re: Weather Station does not appear on WunderMap
Post by: vreihen on December 08, 2016, 07:21:01 PM
My station has been missing from the map for a week now, despite sending steady data for eight days since my station suffered a communications failure.  At this point, I'm not losing any sleep over WU's incompetence.....
Title: Re: Weather Station does not appear on WunderMap
Post by: sundevil01010101 on December 08, 2016, 09:11:59 PM
To me it sounds like their QC algorithm is not all that great if it flags/removes your station for one short period of anamalous readings when you've had literally thousands that passed.

It seems to me they need something like a lifetime quality reputation score to balance out a short period of anomalous readings from a single sensor so that better lifetime score means needs more bad data before removing.


Title: Re: Weather Station does not appear on WunderMap
Post by: Mogens on December 12, 2016, 04:13:20 AM
This morning my station appeared on WunderMap again.
Now it's interesting, if it gets a gold star for five days or it disappears again  :-)

(IDKFREDE3 is otherwise still a Gold Star station, although it has not transmitted data since Dec. 1.  :?)
Title: Re: Weather Station does not appear on WunderMap
Post by: alex114 on June 06, 2018, 08:27:05 PM
This morning my station appeared on WunderMap again.
Now it's interesting, if it gets a gold star for five days or it disappears again  :-)

(IDKFREDE3 is otherwise still a Gold Star station, although it has not transmitted data since Dec. 1.  :?)

It's time to re-ignite this old problem!

My station is IWISHAW6
After a seven year absence, I have a new wx station up and running, and I was overjoyed to see my data being displayed on weatherunderground maps yesterday.
I originally contributed from 2002 -2012 and was among the very first UK aws contributors.
Sadly though, my station has already disappeared from the maps after just 8 hours. But the station's own weatherunderground page is still recieving and displaying data normally. - it's just not showing on the maps.

I have read elsewhere that sometimes this happens if you fall foul of a quality control check, but being a very respected climatologist, I can see that my data is 100% accurate and shouldn't have done so for any reason. It's also completely in line with surrounding pws's.

Whilst looking at the maps earlier I clicked the report button for a few sites around the UK who's values were completely out of synch (thinking this would help the accuracy of the maps). I'm wondering if my doing this has caused my own station to be reported also?

When I first began using weather underground, the responses to messages on boards like this were exceptionally helpful and fast. I wonder if this is still the case.

Thanks.

Alexander.
Title: Re: Weather Station does not appear on WunderMap
Post by: Mtnviper on June 07, 2018, 02:53:04 PM
I don't think they are concerned with the gold medal anymore.  There are stations out there that haven't reported in weeks yet they still have a gold medal.  My gold medal disappeared a few months ago yet my data has been reporting accurately.
KCASANBE1 
Title: Re: Weather Station does not appear on WunderMap
Post by: AL Estep on August 11, 2018, 05:05:18 PM
Gents,
I had a similar problem with my weather station and the fix was to get the time correct on the station console. There is a 20 min window for "current data" and if it does not arrive in that time frame, they do not show it. So try checking the time on the sending computer and on the weather station console.

Good luck.
Title: Re: Weather Station does not appear on WunderMap
Post by: wunderground-PWS on August 13, 2018, 03:28:58 PM
We are working on fixing the deficiency where we don't remove gold star status for stations that stop reporting.  We now assign gold star in real time, as each ob comes in.  When a station stops sending obs, we never get the chance to remove the status. 

We are much more focused on improving the experience for active users.  It should be obvious that a station that is not reporting is not in good shape, so that is lower on our list of priorities.  We also hope to launch some better tools for PWS owners to better understand why they are not getting goldstar status.  I expect to see this type of thing sometime early next year once we move through our backlog of other tasks

I don't think they are concerned with the gold medal anymore.  There are stations out there that haven't reported in weeks yet they still have a gold medal.  My gold medal disappeared a few months ago yet my data has been reporting accurately.
KCASANBE1
Title: Re: Weather Station does not appear on WunderMap
Post by: galfert on August 15, 2018, 07:51:55 PM
We now assign gold star in real time, as each ob comes in.  When a station stops sending obs, we never get the chance to remove the status. 

I've seen several new stations that have come online in the last couple months and have never been awarded a Gold Star. I would say they deserve it as their data looks good to me and they have good uptime. So this real time system must not be fully working yet.

I suppose Gold Stars should be a low priority fix. But I am happy to know that Gold Stars will be making a comeback in an improved form. As PWS get more popular it seems more people neglect their stations and there is a lot of bad data.