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Title: You can now upload to Windy
Post by: txweather.org on April 15, 2019, 08:03:30 PM
Windy is now allowing PWS data!

https://community.windy.com/topic/8168/report-you-weather-station-data-to-windy?fbclid=IwAR0HnSJzWbe0-K5HMx0VLvyG2JOuzARBCzfwht3N3GWP2wZe0ZojuBQpxbI
Title: Re: You can now upload to Windy
Post by: floodcaster on April 15, 2019, 08:42:34 PM
Looks like they already ingest MADIS/CWOP data.
Title: Re: You can now upload to Windy
Post by: galfert on April 15, 2019, 09:31:43 PM
Windy is saying that they will take and display data every 5 minutes. Currently CWOP/MADIS can be delayed over 10 minutes. So perhaps there is a benefit to still sending them data directly.

UPDATE: Yes data is now more timely uploading directly. I'm seeing my data on Windy every 5 minutes instead of up to 10 minutes delayed with my MADIS data.
Title: Re: You can now upload to Windy
Post by: txweather.org on April 15, 2019, 10:52:27 PM
I am hopeing that it integrates to meteohub or meteobridge. I see where this could be beneficial. To start with galfery makes a good point.
Title: Re: You can now upload to Windy
Post by: galfert on April 15, 2019, 11:14:49 PM
Me too. I already sent an email reminder to Boris today. Told him to expect to be innundated with requests. I have my Windy station ID and API key ready to go.

Boris has already said he would do it (or rather he was interested) and has been in contact with Windy.
https://forum.meteohub.de/viewtopic.php?f=56&t=13565
Title: Re: You can now upload to Windy
Post by: txweather.org on April 16, 2019, 01:54:41 AM
Super awesome!
Title: Re: You can now upload to Windy
Post by: Jasiu on April 16, 2019, 10:02:49 AM
Just got confirmation from someone at Windy (via email) that they are in contact w/ Boris and "he is working on it".
Title: Re: You can now upload to Windy
Post by: txweather.org on April 16, 2019, 10:49:28 AM
Just got confirmation from someone at Windy (via email) that they are in contact w/ Boris and "he is working on it".


Super awesome news!!!! Thanks for this info :)
Title: Re: You can now upload to Windy
Post by: miraculon on April 16, 2019, 11:44:26 AM
I tried putting https://stations.windy.com/pws/update/XXX-API-KEY-XXX in the MB-PRO services as an HTTP item. It isn't working and if I put the URL into Firefox with my key I get ERROR: no params.

I see this example on the windy.com website: https://stations.windy.com/pws/update/XXX-API-KEY-XXX?winddir=230&windspeedmph=12&windgustmph=12&tempf=70&rainin=0&baromin=29.1&dewptf=68.2&humidity=90

The trouble is that I suspect that the fake data (e.g. winddir=230) will always show these values, like 230° wind direction.

UPDATE: As suspected, it posted this dummy data.

Should I just wait for Boris, or is there a way to get windy to accept an upload this way?

Greg H.


Title: Re: You can now upload to Windy
Post by: txweather.org on April 16, 2019, 12:32:34 PM
I would wait for Boris... it looks like they been working on this for a while so the release must be around the corner :)
Title: Re: You can now upload to Windy
Post by: vreihen on April 16, 2019, 12:35:36 PM
Should be very simple IIRC, although I haven't worked with my MB in a few years now.

https://meteobridge.com/wiki/index.php/Push_Services (https://meteobridge.com/wiki/index.php/Push_Services)

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HTTP Event
Meteobridge can send HTTP GET requests containing weather data as URL parameter. This can be used to feed individual weather networks. Beside the mandatory URL you can optionally define a success string that is matched against the data the requested web server returns to the Meteobridge.

* When the success string is empty, no checking against the returned data is done

* If the success string is not empty the returned data is analyzed and if the given success string is found in the returned data the transmission is expected to be successful, otherwise an Error is signaled.

* If the success string starts with an exclamation mark "!" the transmission is regarded successful when the string is not found in the returned data.

(https://meteobridge.com/wiki/images/a/a0/Event10.png)

In the example above Meteobridge sends recent wind speed every 15 seconds to the specified server and assumes transmission went fine, when returned data does not include the string "Error".

Before MeteoTemplate API support was included in MB, there were instructions out for constructing a custom URL like the above with all of the 5-minute variable names to feed MeteoTemplate.  Sounds exactly like what windy.com is expecting, but I can't find the info right now.

If this all sounds like Greek to you, then I'd suggest verifying that your MB support is paid up-to-date and wait for Boris to make a simple menu option.....
Title: Re: You can now upload to Windy
Post by: galfert on April 16, 2019, 12:42:47 PM
How to Manually Configure Meteobridge for Windy Uploads
*** Latest Update of Meteobridge now easily supports Windy. No need to do this manual HTTP upload
See this post for details: https://www.wxforum.net/index.php?topic=36656.msg376973#msg376973


vreihen is correct. Not Greek to me. It works with the Meteobridge now. It will be simpler when Boris adds it to the list of supported online weather services.

But if you can't wait and you want to do it now you can. It is working for me.

This following specific formatting is only for use in the Meteobridge. I've taken the Windy.com example and I've inserted the internal variables that the Meteobridge uses:

USE THIS URL for Meteobridge:
https://stations.windy.com/pws/update/XXX-API-KEY-XXX?winddir=[wind0dir-avg2]&windspeedmph=[wind0wind-avg2=mph]&windgustmph=[wind0wind-max10=mph]&tempf=[th0temp-avg5=F]&rainin=[rain0total-sum60=in.2]&baromin=[thb0seapress-min1=inHg.2]&dewptf=[th0dew-avg1=F]&humidity=[th0hum-avg1]&uv=[uv0index-avg5]

Depreciated method that does not adhere to correct averages as requested by Windy (https://community.windy.com/topic/8186/wind-direction-interval/5):
https://stations.windy.com/pws/update/XXX-API-KEY-XXX?winddir=[wind0dir-avg5]&windspeedmph=[wind0wind-avg5=mph]&windgustmph=[wind0wind-max5=mph]&tempf=[th0temp-act=F]&rainin=[rain0total-sum60=in.2]&baromin=[thb0seapress-act=inHg.2]&dewptf=[th0dew-act=F]&humidity=[th0hum-act]&uv=[uv0index-act]


UPDATE: The above formatting has been updated to reflect average wind speed and direction for past 5 minutes and max wind for past 5 minutes. Added UV to the original Windy example. If you don't have UV then remove that part of the URL. I originally had the wrong variable for rain. I was previously using total daily rain instead of last 60 minutes.

Steps to follow in Meteobridge

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I've cleared out my key...well I guess that was pointless as it was only showing part of it anyway. Still the full URL syntax is above. Ignore the #5 drop down before the HTTP. That just means it is my 5th script in my Meteobridge. I have other scripts doing other unrelated things.

You get confirmation from the Meteobridge in the Live Data page as it shows HTTPS success to Windy.com
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But I've noticed that is may be a bit pointless if you already report to CWOP:
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You can click on the duplicate station and it takes me to my CWOP station. Also in my CWOP station (in Windy) it also reports that there is a duplicate station and points to the direct Windy.com station ID. So it is nice to see that they point to each other as duplicates.

But I'm going to keep it updating as I want to see if the data is more timely if I upload directly rather than letting Windy get my data from MADIS.[/list]
Title: Re: You can now upload to Windy
Post by: Jasiu on April 16, 2019, 01:20:28 PM
Here is what the Windy contact (Tomáš) had to say about about sending both to CWOP and independently:

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we would be happy if you share the data with us directly. That would be helpful. Sometimes the CWOP has some outages and by having the data directly from users we can ensure higher quality of the availability. Also, in the future we might use only our data.

Seems they are initially relying on CWOP just to have something.
Title: Re: You can now upload to Windy
Post by: Jasiu on April 16, 2019, 02:15:45 PM
I have it working with the info vreihen / galfert posted. Thanks!!

I don't show up on the map (the CWOP version does) but if I click the "see at windy.com" link on my stations page, it does show my data at the bottom.
Title: Re: You can now upload to Windy
Post by: havtrail on April 16, 2019, 02:43:44 PM
Why is this under "Chit-Chat"?  - Rich K.
Title: Re: You can now upload to Windy
Post by: galfert on April 16, 2019, 02:47:21 PM
Why is this under "Chit-Chat"?  - Rich K.

I agree...I've sent PM to Ken to move this. I'll let him decide where to put it. Maybe Windy needs its own category under Weather Related Organizations.
Title: Re: You can now upload to Windy
Post by: galfert on April 16, 2019, 02:56:05 PM
I just realized that I missed some variables. Like UV and rain rate. Working on that ....I will update above post with missing variables.

UPDATE: Fixed UV. Rain rate is correct now.
Title: Re: You can now upload to Windy
Post by: Jasiu on April 16, 2019, 03:05:20 PM
Why is this under "Chit-Chat"?  - Rich K.

I agree...I've sent PM to Ken to move this. I'll let him decide where to put it. Maybe Windy needs its own category under Weather Related Organizations.

https://www.wxforum.net/index.php?topic=36661.0 (https://www.wxforum.net/index.php?topic=36661.0)

https://www.wxforum.net/index.php?board=141.0 (https://www.wxforum.net/index.php?board=141.0)

Ken's all over it. This thread has now been relocated!  :grin:
Title: Re: You can now upload to Windy
Post by: galfert on April 16, 2019, 03:20:43 PM
UV added and fixed a typo ...I had a space and comma in there before... What was I thinking?
Title: Re: You can now upload to Windy
Post by: miraculon on April 16, 2019, 04:01:03 PM

https://stations.windy.com/pws/update/XXX-API-KEY-XXX?winddir=[wind0dir-avg5]&windspeedmph=[wind0wind-avg5=mph]&windgustmph=[wind0wind-max5=mph]&tempf=[th0temp-act=F]&rainin=[rain0total-daysum=in.2]&baromin=[thb0seapress-act=inHg.2]&dewptf=[th0dew-act=F]&humidity=[th0hum-act]&uv=[uv0index-act]


Perfect. Thanks galfert. This is exactly what I was looking for. It makes sense to use the meteobridge variable names where the example had the fixed values.  #-o

 [tup] [tup] [tup]

Greg H.
Title: Re: You can now upload to Windy
Post by: galfert on April 16, 2019, 04:40:52 PM
WARNING: DISCLAIMER
I'm not certain that I originally used the correct MB variable for rain. Windy's documentation has the following:

precip - real number [mm]; precipitation over the past hour
rainin - real number [in]; rain inches over the past hour (alternative to precip)

Based on that I think I need to change the variable I used to show only the last hour of rain. As I currently have it to be the sum of the whole day, as in a running total for the day.

I don't have any rain going on here now. I'd like to open this for comments. I propose changing:
rain0total-daysum=in.2  ----should instead be--->   rain0total-sum60=in.2

Right? I changed it in post above...I think this is right.

Sorry. At least I caught my own bugs early.
Title: Re: You can now upload to Windy
Post by: mcrossley on April 16, 2019, 04:58:16 PM
I have Cumulus MX uploading to Windy now. There seems to be a problem with uploading the pressure in hPa units at the moment though.
If you are interested in this you can read about how to do it on the Cumulus forum here (https://cumulus.hosiene.co.uk/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=17381).
Title: Re: You can now upload to Windy
Post by: galfert on April 16, 2019, 05:16:08 PM
Looks like Brian also has it working with Weather-Display.

https://www.weather-watch.com/smf/index.php/topic,67611.0.html

Want to send your data to Windy.com? Looks like all you need is a Meteobridge, Cumulus MX, or Weather-Display. This is great.

If anyone figures out how to get ALL these stations to show on the Windy map at the same time please share. (without using favorites duh)

Title: Re: You can now upload to Windy
Post by: chief-david on April 16, 2019, 06:39:44 PM
Like the fact they are taking my CWOP data. I am ok with this.

Title: Re: You can now upload to Windy
Post by: Jasiu on April 16, 2019, 06:41:08 PM
I don't have any rain going on here now. I'd like to open this for comments. I propose changing:
rain0total-daysum=in.2  ----should instead be--->   rain0total-sum60=in.2

Right? I changed it in post above...I think this is right.

Sorry. At least I caught my own bugs early.

I think that's correct.

I also changed to wind0dir-act since it calls for instantaneous wind speed (edit) direction and I used wind0avgwind-act for speed (I don't see a wind0wind-avg5).

Title: Re: You can now upload to Windy
Post by: galfert on April 16, 2019, 07:31:30 PM
I don't have any rain going on here now. I'd like to open this for comments. I propose changing:
rain0total-daysum=in.2  ----should instead be--->   rain0total-sum60=in.2

Right? I changed it in post above...I think this is right.

Sorry. At least I caught my own bugs early.

I think that's correct.

I also changed to wind0dir-act since it calls for instantaneous wind speed (edit) direction and I used wind0avgwind-act for speed (I don't see a wind0wind-avg5).

Yes it calls for instantaneous wind direction. But some weather vanes flap around alot. I don't want to send random wind directions that just happened to be not quite pointing in the right direction. Sending average for the past reporting cycle (5 minutes) only improves the data I think. Also it is likely that Windy specified instantaneous wind direction because a lot of stations are probably not capable of calculating and sending average wind direction for the reporting period. But the Meteobridge can so why not use that to your advantage?

Also I don't understand what you mean by that you don't see a wind0wind-avg5. You can create your own calculations with the variables by adding the -avgX qualifier with X being any time frame you want. I understand your point of leaning to instead use wind0avgwind-act for speed but that variable depends on the station for determining the time frame of what is considered average, and maybe some stations don't calculate this or don't have this. I'm not saying it won't produce data but it may be just instant and not average. So for that reason I decided on wind0wind-avg5 as it should produce more reliable results without needing know what your station is doing or not.

Not looking to split hairs. This is good stuff to bring up. I'm not saying who is right or wrong. I think either way is acceptable with possible slight variation in results. I see your point of following the Windy documentation a bit more literally. I'm just thinking that I can improve on the general suggested format. Does this make sense?
Title: Re: You can now upload to Windy
Post by: lightmaster on April 16, 2019, 08:01:48 PM
I add the date to my HTTP request and set a retry amount, so if something prevents the transmission, Windy will know at what time the data was recorded:

https://stations.windy.com/pws/update/xxxxxxx-really-long-api-key-xxxxxxxx?dateutc=[UYYYY]-[UMM]-[UDD]T[Uhh]:[Umm]:[Uss]&winddir=[wind0dir-avg5]&windspeedmph=[wind0wind-avg5=mph]&windgustmph=[wind0wind-max5=mph]&tempf=[th0temp-act=F]&rainin=[rain0total-hoursum=in.2]&baromin=[thb0seapress-act=inHg.2]&dewptf=[th0dew-act=F]&humidity=[th0hum-act]&uv=[uv0index-act]
Title: Re: You can now upload to Windy
Post by: Jasiu on April 16, 2019, 08:02:42 PM
Got it. It might be good to know what the intervals are they are looking for so that the info is consistent between stations. Is the API documented somewhere other than the community forum post? There, it doesn't say what interval they want for wind speed, gusts.
Title: Re: You can now upload to Windy
Post by: lightmaster on April 16, 2019, 08:13:35 PM
Got it. It might be good to know what the intervals are they are looking for so that the info is consistent between stations. Is the API documented somewhere other than the community forum post? There, it doesn't say what interval they want for wind speed, gusts.

I haven't be able to find any documentation besides that one forum post, so I asked in their forum if they have a preference between instantaneous and average of the last couple minutes.
Title: Re: You can now upload to Windy
Post by: andyk1 on April 16, 2019, 10:19:24 PM
I tried putting https://stations.windy.com/pws/update/XXX-API-KEY-XXX in the MB-PRO services as an HTTP item. It isn't working and if I put the URL into Firefox with my key I get ERROR: no params.

I see this example on the windy.com website: https://stations.windy.com/pws/update/XXX-API-KEY-XXX?winddir=230&windspeedmph=12&windgustmph=12&tempf=70&rainin=0&baromin=29.1&dewptf=68.2&humidity=90

The trouble is that I suspect that the fake data (e.g. winddir=230) will always show these values, like 230° wind direction.

UPDATE: As suspected, it posted this dummy data.

Should I just wait for Boris, or is there a way to get windy to accept an upload this way?

Greg H.

I am seeing:
ERROR
invalid measurement values:

Not sure where the winddir, wind speed, wind0wind-avg5=mph is coming from other than a copy and paste of received data already.

Time to back up and start over.

Andy
Title: Re: You can now upload to Windy
Post by: mcrossley on April 17, 2019, 12:45:23 PM
Got it. It might be good to know what the intervals are they are looking for so that the info is consistent between stations. Is the API documented somewhere other than the community forum post? There, it doesn't say what interval they want for wind speed, gusts.

They talk about it here (https://community.windy.com/topic/8186/wind-direction-interval/5) - yes you should send averaged values
Title: Re: You can now upload to Windy
Post by: txweather.org on April 17, 2019, 01:08:47 PM
My station fell off the map. Dont know why... :(
Title: Re: You can now upload to Windy
Post by: galfert on April 17, 2019, 01:51:23 PM
Got it. It might be good to know what the intervals are they are looking for so that the info is consistent between stations. Is the API documented somewhere other than the community forum post? There, it doesn't say what interval they want for wind speed, gusts.

They talk about it here (https://community.windy.com/topic/8186/wind-direction-interval/5) - yes you should send averaged values

Thank you!  [tup]

I've changed my Meteobridge http post statement to read as follows to adhere to the averages requested from Windy. (also updated my original post in this thread)

https://stations.windy.com/pws/update/XXX-API-KEY-XXX?winddir=[wind0dir-avg2]&windspeedmph=[wind0wind-avg2=mph]&windgustmph=[wind0wind-max10=mph]&tempf=[th0temp-avg5=F]&rainin=[rain0total-sum60=in.2]&baromin=[thb0seapress-min1=inHg.2]&dewptf=[th0dew-avg1=F]&humidity=[th0hum-avg1]&uv=[uv0index-avg5]

* Separate but somewhat related issue: This whole thing is causing me to rethink my current SQL variables for data backup that I upload to my server.  :?:
Title: Re: You can now upload to Windy
Post by: Jasiu on April 17, 2019, 03:07:36 PM
Great work galfert and mcrossley. Going to update my MB now!
Title: Re: You can now upload to Windy
Post by: andyk1 on April 17, 2019, 03:21:53 PM
Got it. It might be good to know what the intervals are they are looking for so that the info is consistent between stations. Is the API documented somewhere other than the community forum post? There, it doesn't say what interval they want for wind speed, gusts.

They talk about it here (https://community.windy.com/topic/8186/wind-direction-interval/5) - yes you should send averaged values

Thank you!  [tup]

I've changed my Meteobridge http post statement to read as follows to adhere to the averages requested from Windy. (also updated my original post in this thread)

https://stations.windy.com/pws/XXX-API-KEY-XXX?winddir=[wind0dir-avg2]&windspeedmph=[wind0wind-avg2=mph]&windgustmph=[wind0wind-max10=mph]&tempf=[th0temp-avg5=F]&rainin=[rain0total-sum60=in.2]&baromin=[thb0seapress-min1=inHg.2]&dewptf=[th0dew-avg1=F]&humidity=[th0hum-avg1]&uv=[uv0index-avg5]

* Separate but somewhat related issue: This whole thing is causing me to rethink my current SQL variables for data backup that I upload to my server.  :?:

I keep getting the following error message no matter which method I use. I had to add  /update to the appropriate location or it would report an api error.

ERROR
invalid measurement values: 'winddir': [wind0dir-avg2]; 'windspeedmph': [wind0wind-avg2=mph]; 'windgustmph': [wind0wind-max10=mph]; 'tempf': [th0temp-avg5=F]; 'rainin': [rain0total-sum60=in.2]; 'baromin': [thb0seapress-min1=inHg.2]; 'dewptf': [th0dew-avg1=F]; 'humidity': [th0hum-avg1]; 'uv': [uv0index-avg5];

My entry into meteobridge services is:

https://stations.windy.com/pws/update/XXX-My-really-long-Windy-API-Key-XXX?winddir=[wind0dir-avg2]&windspeedmph=[wind0wind-avg2=mph]&windgustmph=[wind0wind-max10=mph]&tempf=[th0temp-avg5=F]&rainin=[rain0total-sum60=in.2]&baromin=[thb0seapress-min1=inHg.2]&dewptf=[th0dew-avg1=F]&humidity=[th0hum-avg1]&uv=[uv0index-avg5]

If anyone seems what I am doing wrong please let me know as am getting frustrated reading over and over the different method and none work.

Andy
Title: Re: You can now upload to Windy
Post by: txweather.org on April 17, 2019, 03:30:09 PM
I had this issue and igt was due to trying to stat a sensor that didnt exist... I have a Vue and I have no UV so I took it out and worked just fine.
Title: Re: You can now upload to Windy
Post by: galfert on April 17, 2019, 04:09:20 PM
andyk1 has UV and solar as evidenced by his WU page.

andyk1,
Silly question but you are replacing the part of the URL that says XXX-API-KEY-XXX with your Windy station ID issued API key right?

Which you get from registering here:
https://stations.windy.com/stations

After creating a station ID you see this:
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Followed by:
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Title: Re: You can now upload to Windy
Post by: miraculon on April 17, 2019, 05:06:50 PM
Got it. It might be good to know what the intervals are they are looking for so that the info is consistent between stations. Is the API documented somewhere other than the community forum post? There, it doesn't say what interval they want for wind speed, gusts.

They talk about it here (https://community.windy.com/topic/8186/wind-direction-interval/5) - yes you should send averaged values

Thank you!  [tup]

I've changed my Meteobridge http post statement to read as follows to adhere to the averages requested from Windy. (also updated my original post in this thread)

https://stations.windy.com/pws/XXX-API-KEY-XXX?winddir=[wind0dir-avg2]&windspeedmph=[wind0wind-avg2=mph]&windgustmph=[wind0wind-max10=mph]&tempf=[th0temp-avg5=F]&rainin=[rain0total-sum60=in.2]&baromin=[thb0seapress-min1=inHg.2]&dewptf=[th0dew-avg1=F]&humidity=[th0hum-avg1]&uv=[uv0index-avg5]

* Separate but somewhat related issue: This whole thing is causing me to rethink my current SQL variables for data backup that I upload to my server.  :?:

Is there a particular reason that the /update/ portion of the URL was removed?

https://stations.windy.com/pws/.....

vs.

https://stations.windy.com/pws/update.....

Greg H.
Title: Re: You can now upload to Windy
Post by: galfert on April 17, 2019, 05:14:39 PM
Got it. It might be good to know what the intervals are they are looking for so that the info is consistent between stations. Is the API documented somewhere other than the community forum post? There, it doesn't say what interval they want for wind speed, gusts.

They talk about it here (https://community.windy.com/topic/8186/wind-direction-interval/5) - yes you should send averaged values

Thank you!  [tup]

I've changed my Meteobridge http post statement to read as follows to adhere to the averages requested from Windy. (also updated my original post in this thread)

https://stations.windy.com/pws/XXX-API-KEY-XXX?winddir=[wind0dir-avg2]&windspeedmph=[wind0wind-avg2=mph]&windgustmph=[wind0wind-max10=mph]&tempf=[th0temp-avg5=F]&rainin=[rain0total-sum60=in.2]&baromin=[thb0seapress-min1=inHg.2]&dewptf=[th0dew-avg1=F]&humidity=[th0hum-avg1]&uv=[uv0index-avg5]

* Separate but somewhat related issue: This whole thing is causing me to rethink my current SQL variables for data backup that I upload to my server.  :?:

Is there a particular reason that the /update/ portion of the URL was removed?

https://stations.windy.com/pws/.....

vs.

https://stations.windy.com/pws/update.....

Greg H.

Ooops!  #-o

That was done in haste as I made edits to the variables after a copy/paste and erased my key before posting...I erased too much of the URL.  That is some long key hu?  Fixing now...This might be why it was not working for andyk1...or maybe not because his URL has the /update/

Thank you for catching that.

Title: Re: You can now upload to Windy
Post by: lightmaster on April 17, 2019, 05:46:52 PM
* Separate but somewhat related issue: This whole thing is causing me to rethink my current SQL variables for data backup that I upload to my server.  :?:

For my backups, I just upload the data every 15 seconds to a MySQL server running on a Raspberry Pi. It may be overkill, but I figure it's better to have more data than less, and you can always calculate averages later on. If you're wondering, with 1.3 million records, it's sitting at 297MB.

Also, with how ridiculously long the key is, I wonder if @Andyk1 is actually copying the entire key.
Title: Re: You can now upload to Windy
Post by: galfert on April 18, 2019, 07:22:15 AM
Reboot your Meteobridge to get latest update
Now easily supports Windy in the Weather Network tab


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Be sure to remember to disable the HTTP upload if you had previously enabled that for Windy. You don't have to delete it...you can set it to OFF.
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Don't forget to click the Save button at the bottom.

Check the Live Data tab to make sure it is working.
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Title: Re: You can now upload to Windy
Post by: galfert on April 18, 2019, 07:45:48 AM
Arrrh....See this is what you get for being an early adopter...You become the guinea pig.
Don't use the Meteobridge's Windy upload in the Weather Network tab yet. It is sending the wrong pressure.
Stick to the HTTP upload method for now...(using inHg) as Windy does not accept hPa and is only accepting Pa ...so that is the root cause for this issue.

UPDATE: This problem has been fixed with the latest update. Reboot and get the update.

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Title: Re: You can now upload to Windy
Post by: lightmaster on April 18, 2019, 07:49:29 AM
Arrrh....See this is what you get for being an early adopter...You become the guinea pig.
Don't use the Meteobridge's Windy upload in the Weather Network tab yet. It is sending the wrong pressure.
Stick to the HTTP upload method for now...using inHg as Windy does not accept hPa and is only accepting Pa ...so that is the root cause for this issue.

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Thanks for the heads up, I was literally about to press the save button when I saw the notification about a post on here.
Title: Re: You can now upload to Windy
Post by: lightmaster on April 18, 2019, 07:51:50 AM
Also, if anyone from Windy is reading this, I'd love to know why Pa is used and not the standard hPa/mb....
Title: Re: You can now upload to Windy
Post by: mcrossley on April 18, 2019, 07:53:31 AM
Also, if anyone from Windy is reading this, I'd love to know why Pa is used and not the standard hPa/mb....
You and me both! If You're going to use SI units then the Temps should be in Kelvin and rainfall in metres!
Title: Re: You can now upload to Windy
Post by: lightmaster on April 18, 2019, 07:57:12 AM
Also, if anyone from Windy is reading this, I'd love to know why Pa is used and not the standard hPa/mb....
You and me both! If You're going to use SI units then the Temps should be in Kelvin and rainfall in metres!

I know that was sarcasm, but I'd be scared of any place that needed to measure rainfall in meters, lol.
Title: Re: You can now upload to Windy
Post by: galfert on April 18, 2019, 08:37:14 AM
Also, if anyone from Windy is reading this, I'd love to know why Pa is used and not the standard hPa/mb....
You and me both! If You're going to use SI units then the Temps should be in Kelvin and rainfall in metres!

I know that was sarcasm, but I'd be scared of any place that needed to measure rainfall in meters, lol.

You can measure or I should say report rainfall in meters no problem.  5 mm = 0.005 meters.
Title: Re: You can now upload to Windy
Post by: andyk1 on April 18, 2019, 11:33:17 AM
andyk1 has UV and solar as evidenced by his WU page.

andyk1,
Silly question but you are replacing the part of the URL that says XXX-API-KEY-XXX with your Windy station ID issued API key right?

Yes I am. My really-really-really-long Windy assigned API key.

This is being feed through meteobridge services area like others but not sure why mine is not feeding.

Andy
Title: Re: You can now upload to Windy
Post by: andyk1 on April 18, 2019, 11:38:47 AM


Ooops!  #-o

That was done in haste as I made edits to the variables after a copy/paste and erased my key before posting...I erased too much of the URL.  That is some long key hu?  Fixing now...This might be why it was not working for andyk1...or maybe not because his URL has the /update/

Thank you for catching that.
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I tried it both ways. Not working either way. Scratching my head.

Title: Re: You can now upload to Windy
Post by: galfert on April 18, 2019, 11:43:41 AM
Okay Boris says he fixed the pressure issue. You can now more easily upload to Windy using Meteobridge after you update it. Just go to the Weather Network tab.

https://forum.meteohub.de/viewtopic.php?f=56&t=13565&start=15

I'm not going to be first this time.
Title: Re: You can now upload to Windy
Post by: andyk1 on April 18, 2019, 11:46:06 AM
I Just saw the Meteobridge has the Windy setting installed so I'll try that and see if it works.

Andy
Title: Re: You can now upload to Windy
Post by: andyk1 on April 18, 2019, 12:01:20 PM
It does in fact work through meteobridge and also saw a message on meteobridge that Boris did fix the error people are talking about.

Andy
Title: Re: You can now upload to Windy
Post by: Jasiu on April 18, 2019, 01:58:49 PM
It does in fact work through meteobridge and also saw a message on meteobridge that Boris did fix the error people are talking about.

Andy

Can you take a screenshot of what it shows for you on Windy? I'm seeing pressure 10x now what it should be (I again changed back to the basic HTTP upload).
Title: Re: You can now upload to Windy
Post by: lightmaster on April 18, 2019, 02:21:08 PM
You can measure or I should say report rainfall in meters no problem.  5 mm = 0.005 meters.

Key word there, needs. Just like under what situation would it be advantageous to require pressure in Pa....

@jasiu just to make sure, with the http request, pressure does show up in the expected range, correct?
Title: Re: You can now upload to Windy
Post by: galfert on April 18, 2019, 02:24:43 PM
It does in fact work through meteobridge and also saw a message on meteobridge that Boris did fix the error people are talking about.

Andy

Can you take a screenshot of what it shows for you on Windy? I'm seeing pressure 10x now what it should be (I again changed back to the basic HTTP upload).

This is andyk1's Windy station:
https://www.windy.com/station/pws-f075a2d9
Title: Re: You can now upload to Windy
Post by: Jasiu on April 18, 2019, 02:43:31 PM
Hmmm.... I'll give it another try when I get home.
Title: Re: You can now upload to Windy
Post by: Jasiu on April 18, 2019, 02:44:49 PM

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@jasiu just to make sure, with the http request, pressure does show up in the expected range, correct?

Correct. Using galfert's string all looks good.

Title: Re: You can now upload to Windy
Post by: galfert on April 18, 2019, 03:19:56 PM
Hmmm.... I'll give it another try when I get home.

When you get home? You mean you don't have your Meteobridge configured for remote access?  :grin:
You gotta check that out. Just enable it. Set a strong password. Then save the remote URL as a browser bookmark/favorite. Done... simple and uses https encryption so it is safe.

The username by the way is root which isn't obvious.
Title: Re: You can now upload to Windy
Post by: txweather.org on April 18, 2019, 03:21:46 PM
Hmmm.... I'll give it another try when I get home.
The username by the way is root which isn't obvious.

I hope you were been sarcastic. The username root is on every cracking list in the world lol.
Title: Re: You can now upload to Windy
Post by: mcrossley on April 18, 2019, 03:25:31 PM
Quote from: galfert
The username by the way is root which isn't obvious.
Hmm, remote root access over the t'internet  :?
Title: Re: You can now upload to Windy
Post by: lightmaster on April 18, 2019, 03:26:26 PM
Hmmm.... I'll give it another try when I get home.
The username by the way is root which isn't obvious.

I hope you were been sarcastic. The username root is on every cracking list in the world lol.

Meteobridge's username is meteobridge and has to be all lower case. At least on mine it is and I never set a username.

Also, please don't ever have user "root" exposed online. That is a super obvious username and the first to be guessed if someone else tries to hack you.
Title: Re: You can now upload to Windy
Post by: txweather.org on April 18, 2019, 03:42:37 PM
mcrossley My same thought.. and very well said light!
Title: Re: You can now upload to Windy
Post by: Jasiu on April 18, 2019, 03:46:20 PM
Well I'm still getting 10x the barometer value with the Windy Weather Network option on Meteobridge (I get the dash for five minutes, then the bogus value).  Back to the native string.
Title: Re: You can now upload to Windy
Post by: galfert on April 18, 2019, 03:51:13 PM
Apparently the Meteobridge will accept root or meteobridge as a username with the same password. I just tested.

But I wouldn't fret over logging in with root. The URL that you are using to log in with is very long and cryptic. You can think of the URL as a username then you use your password. You aren't logging into the Meteobridge with an IP address. It isn't a direct connection. You aren't opening ports that hackers can scan and try to exploit. And the whole thing is encrypted with an https connection. The whole thing is pretty ingenious. Boris uses this for remote support too.

The login URL looks like this:
https://admin.meteobridge.com/XXXX----LONG-KEY-HERE-------XXXX/cgi-bin/meteobridge.cgi

I don't see the security concern here.

To log in you need to know two things....a very long key and the password.
Title: Re: You can now upload to Windy
Post by: andyk1 on April 18, 2019, 04:33:13 PM
For remote login to meteobridge it uses meteobridge as user name and the password you changed it to.
Title: Re: You can now upload to Windy
Post by: Jasiu on April 18, 2019, 06:08:11 PM
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This is andyk1's Windy station:
https://www.windy.com/station/pws-f075a2d9

And it shows the same problem.

(https://www.wxforum.net/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=36656.0;attach=36730)
Title: Re: You can now upload to Windy
Post by: lightmaster on April 18, 2019, 06:18:47 PM
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This is andyk1's Windy station:
https://www.windy.com/station/pws-f075a2d9

And it shows the same problem.

(https://www.wxforum.net/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=36656.0;attach=36730)

That from the the Meteobridge's built in network, right? It's gotta be a misplaced period before sending the data...
Title: Re: You can now upload to Windy
Post by: Jasiu on April 18, 2019, 06:45:20 PM
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That from the the Meteobridge's built in network, right? It's gotta be a misplaced period before sending the data...

Not sure I understand what you mean. It's a screenshot from Windy.com. The pressure appears correctly when using the URL string with baroin as a parameter.
Title: Re: You can now upload to Windy
Post by: galfert on April 18, 2019, 07:01:23 PM
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That from the the Meteobridge's built in network, right? It's gotta be a misplaced period before sending the data...

Not sure I understand what you mean. It's a screenshot from Windy.com. The pressure appears correctly when using the URL string with baroin as a parameter.

What he means is that andyk1 is not using the HTTP method and instead is using the Meteobridge Weather Network tab where Windy was selected as a service to upload.

But andyk1's problem with 10x pressure only started about 1 hour ago. Before that the pressure was stuck at 29.82 inHg for like 1.5 days.
Title: Re: You can now upload to Windy
Post by: Jasiu on April 18, 2019, 07:11:43 PM
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But andyk1's problem with 10x pressure only started about 1 hour ago. Before that the pressure was stuck at 29.82 inHg for like 1.5 days.

Yeah I was wondering about that also. I know that when I had both configured accidentally I was getting the right number. No idea if he had both configured and just realized it. But, anyway, there IS something amiss.....
Title: Re: You can now upload to Windy
Post by: andyk1 on April 18, 2019, 07:14:04 PM
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This is andyk1's Windy station:
https://www.windy.com/station/pws-f075a2d9

And it shows the same problem.

(https://www.wxforum.net/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=36656.0;attach=36730)

Good catch. I just noticed that. The pressure is 29.84. A misplaced period. I will let Boris at meteobridge know.
Title: Re: You can now upload to Windy
Post by: andyk1 on April 18, 2019, 07:33:35 PM
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But andyk1's problem with 10x pressure only started about 1 hour ago. Before that the pressure was stuck at 29.82 inHg for like 1.5 days.

Yeah I was wondering about that also. I know that when I had both configured accidentally I was getting the right number. No idea if he had both configured and just realized it. But, anyway, there IS something amiss.....

I think the problem was I forgot to remove the HTTP version after I added the weather network version and it was reading both. I removed the HTTP version but the misplaced period is still an issue.
Title: Re: You can now upload to Windy
Post by: Jasiu on April 18, 2019, 07:58:24 PM
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I think the problem was I forgot to remove the HTTP version after I added the weather network version and it was reading both. I removed the HTTP version but the misplaced period is still an issue.

That's confirmation that we've both seen the same behavior.

I suspect the issue is that Boris accidently did a "times 1000" rather than a "times 100" to convert hPa to Pa.
Title: Re: You can now upload to Windy
Post by: lightmaster on April 18, 2019, 08:06:46 PM
That's confirmation that we've both seen the same behavior.

I suspect the issue is that Boris accidently did a "times 1000" rather than a "times 100" to convert hPa to Pa.

Sounds like it. That's what I was trying to say in my poorly worded "misplaced period".

Does Windy allow you to delete some of your own data, or at least overwrite it?
Title: Re: You can now upload to Windy
Post by: andyk1 on April 18, 2019, 08:30:20 PM
Not sure. Waiting for both a reply from Windy and meteobridge but suspect it is midnight to near in both locations and may need to wait till tomorrow to get a response.
Title: Re: You can now upload to Windy
Post by: andyk1 on April 18, 2019, 09:18:13 PM
The more I look at this I am not sure this is a meteobridge problem. When I look at the default load method https://www.windy.com/station/pws-f075a2d9?35.491,-97.329,8,i:pressure it comes up with the pressure decimal point error. When I use the alternative duplicate method https://www.windy.com/station/madis-F2084?35.491,-97.329,8,i:pressure it is correct. I suspect the error is in Windy. Can anyone else confirm this?
Title: Re: You can now upload to Windy
Post by: Jasiu on April 18, 2019, 09:27:11 PM

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Does Windy allow you to delete some of your own data, or at least overwrite it?

I'm considering everything sent to Windy at this point to be junk until they consider this beyond "beta". At that point I'd hope they'd give us the option to reset.
Title: Re: You can now upload to Windy
Post by: waiukuweather on April 18, 2019, 09:34:15 PM
just send barometer as baromin
Title: Re: You can now upload to Windy
Post by: Jasiu on April 18, 2019, 09:45:45 PM
The more I look at this I am not sure this is a meteobridge problem. When I look at the default load method https://www.windy.com/station/pws-f075a2d9?35.491,-97.329,8,i:pressure it comes up with the pressure decimal point error. When I use the alternative duplicate method https://www.windy.com/station/madis-F2084?35.491,-97.329,8,i:pressure it is correct. I suspect the error is in Windy. Can anyone else confirm this?

What you are looking at there are two different things.

1) The URL with "pws" is what you are sending directly from the meteobridge to Windy.

2) The URL with "madis" is what Windy gets from CWOP, which you send via a different (correct) method from the meteobridge.
Title: Re: You can now upload to Windy
Post by: lightmaster on April 18, 2019, 09:46:12 PM
The more I look at this I am not sure this is a meteobridge problem. When I look at the default load method https://www.windy.com/station/pws-f075a2d9?35.491,-97.329,8,i:pressure it comes up with the pressure decimal point error. When I use the alternative duplicate method https://www.windy.com/station/madis-F2084?35.491,-97.329,8,i:pressure it is correct. I suspect the error is in Windy. Can anyone else confirm this?

Those are 2 separate stations as far as Windy is concerned. One is the data they get from you via Meteobridge, second one is the data they get from you via CWOP. Data is sent to CWOP correctly, therefore Windy gets it correctly. Data is sent directly to Windy (probably) via an incorrect conversion from PA to hPa. The conversion error I understand, cuz how often do you deal with barometric pressure in Pa??
Title: Re: You can now upload to Windy
Post by: Jasiu on April 18, 2019, 09:47:46 PM
just send barometer as baromin

We know that. We're trying to help get the canned metrobridge feature under the Weather Network tab (which we have no control over but can give feedback to Boris) to work.
Title: Re: You can now upload to Windy
Post by: Jasiu on April 18, 2019, 09:49:41 PM
Those are 2 separate stations as far as Windy is concerned.

Jinx!!  :lol:
Title: Re: You can now upload to Windy
Post by: waiukuweather on April 18, 2019, 09:56:42 PM
if Boris had opted to use the imperial tags, then it was basicly the same as sending to wunderground and he could have re used those same routines
as windy.com did not want to re invent the wheel and so made it easy..just use the wunderground type format (i,e the variable names are the same even)
Title: Re: You can now upload to Windy
Post by: andyk1 on April 18, 2019, 10:01:49 PM
The more I look at this I am not sure this is a meteobridge problem. When I look at the default load method https://www.windy.com/station/pws-f075a2d9?35.491,-97.329,8,i:pressure it comes up with the pressure decimal point error. When I use the alternative duplicate method https://www.windy.com/station/madis-F2084?35.491,-97.329,8,i:pressure it is correct. I suspect the error is in Windy. Can anyone else confirm this?

Those are 2 separate stations as far as Windy is concerned. One is the data they get from you via Meteobridge, second one is the data they get from you via CWOP. Data is sent to CWOP correctly, therefore Windy gets it correctly. Data is sent directly to Windy (probably) via an incorrect conversion from PA to hPa. The conversion error I understand, cuz how often do you deal with barometric pressure in Pa??

They are both sent from a single source my meteobridge. All data sent is from that one source.
Title: Re: You can now upload to Windy
Post by: andyk1 on April 18, 2019, 10:11:26 PM

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Does Windy allow you to delete some of your own data, or at least overwrite it?

I'm considering everything sent to Windy at this point to be junk until they consider this beyond "beta". At that point I'd hope they'd give us the option to reset.

Agreed,  but Windy did say over and over this is a Beta test and that any and all data could be thrown out. I have alot of respect for Windy.com for trying and trying and trying to get it right. They are not your big Wunderground or the Weather Channel or your IBM company that has the money or resources to waste. Look at Wunderground. It's been 2 years and they still can't get it right.

Windy (In my opinion) Looks like one of the best weather layout offerings out there. I wish them all the success they deserve.
Title: Re: You can now upload to Windy
Post by: andyk1 on April 18, 2019, 10:19:38 PM
if Boris had opted to use the imperial tags, then it was basicly the same as sending to wunderground and he could have re used those same routines
as windy.com did not want to re invent the wheel and so made it easy..just use the wunderground type format (i,e the variable names are the same even)

The choice of metric or imperial is your's. My understanding is everyone's data is read in metric and in your setup you can keep it as metric or convert it to Imperial. It is just a formula that converts to whichever you choose.

I am fairly convinced the error is not in Meteobridge as I send to both CWOP and Windy through that one source. CWOP is correct and Windy is not. It is just a matter of a simple programming error and am sure it will be corrected very soon by either.
Title: Re: You can now upload to Windy
Post by: lightmaster on April 18, 2019, 10:37:56 PM
The more I look at this I am not sure this is a meteobridge problem. When I look at the default load method https://www.windy.com/station/pws-f075a2d9?35.491,-97.329,8,i:pressure it comes up with the pressure decimal point error. When I use the alternative duplicate method https://www.windy.com/station/madis-F2084?35.491,-97.329,8,i:pressure it is correct. I suspect the error is in Windy. Can anyone else confirm this?

Those are 2 separate stations as far as Windy is concerned. One is the data they get from you via Meteobridge, second one is the data they get from you via CWOP. Data is sent to CWOP correctly, therefore Windy gets it correctly. Data is sent directly to Windy (probably) via an incorrect conversion from PA to hPa. The conversion error I understand, cuz how often do you deal with barometric pressure in Pa??

They are both sent from a single source my meteobridge. All data sent is from that one source.

We know they're sent from the same physical device, however there are 2 completely different paths the data takes to get there. At the start of the path, pressure is saved as mb/hPa. When data is set to CWOP, its sent as mb/hPa so the number is just read from wherever its stored at. This new path to Windy however, the data starts as hPa, but has to be converted to Pa. This conversion rate that is rarely used is where the issue is, and that conversion rate is within the Meteobridge. 1 hPa equals 100 Pa, so 1017.7 hPa should be converted to 101770 Pa, sent to Windy, and then converted back to 1017.7 hPa or 30.05 inHg depending on if you use Imperial or Metric. The likely issue is that the conversion rate being used by Meteobridge is 1 hPa to 1000 Pa, so 1017.7 hPa becomes 1017700 Pa in the Meteobridge before it gets sent to Windy, and windy turns it back into 10177.0 hPa or 300.52 inHg.

This is just theoretically the issue, because none of us have seen the code for Meteobridge or the code that Windy uses. It works when sending from HTTP request, but not from the built in Weather Network. No one that I've seen has complained about sending Metric units to Windy from any other source besides Meteobridge. Occam's Razor says that most likely, Meteobridge conversion from hPa to Pa is the issue.

Also, if you'd like to prove that Windy is the issue, using HTTP service, send some data with pressure in Imperial (inHg) for a little bit, and then switch it to use Metric (mb/hPa). If Windy has no issue receiving either of those units and the data all looks okay from HTTP service, then the only thing left is the conversion used for the built in Weather Network page.
Title: Re: You can now upload to Windy
Post by: PaulMy on April 18, 2019, 10:41:16 PM
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I am fairly convinced the error is not in Meteobridge as I send to both CWOP and Windy through that one source. CWOP is correct and Windy is not. It is just a matter of a simple programming error and am sure it will be corrected very soon by either.
I am using CumulusMX and it has a similar pressure issue:CumulusMX Custom HTTP  https://www.windy.com/station/pws-f06ea ... i:pressure (https://www.windy.com/station/pws-f06ea43a?42.954,-81.436,8,i:pressure) and it has the pressure 100x error

Cumulus 1 Madis-CWOP  https://www.windy.com/station/madis-D3930?42.954,-81.436,8,i:pressure (https://www.windy.com/station/madis-D3930?42.954,-81.436,8,i:pressure) and the pressure is correct
WiFiLogger Madis-CWOP  https://www.windy.com/station/madis-F2530?42.954,-81.436,8,i:pressure (https://www.windy.com/station/madis-F2530?42.954,-81.436,8,i:pressure) and the pressure is also correct

Enjoy,
Paul

Update: CumulusMX Pressure issue resolved https://www.windy.com/station/pws-f06ea43a?42.954,-81.435,8,i:pressure (https://www.windy.com/station/pws-f06ea43a?42.954,-81.435,8,i:pressure)
 
Title: Re: You can now upload to Windy
Post by: andyk1 on April 18, 2019, 10:51:44 PM
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I am fairly convinced the error is not in Meteobridge as I send to both CWOP and Windy through that one source. CWOP is correct and Windy is not. It is just a matter of a simple programming error and am sure it will be corrected very soon by either.
I am using CumulusMX and it has a similar pressure issue:
CumulusMX Custom HTTP  https://www.windy.com/station/pws-f06ea ... i:pressure (https://www.windy.com/station/pws-f06ea43a?42.954,-81.436,8,i:pressure) and it has the pressure 100x error

Cumulus 1 Madis-CWOP  https://www.windy.com/station/madis-D3930?42.954,-81.436,8,i:pressure and the pressure is correct
WiFiLogger Madis-CWOP  https://www.windy.com/station/madis-F2530?42.954,-81.436,8,i:pressure and the pressure is also correct

Enjoy,

Strangely I checked before reading your message and mine is also reading correct. I suppose the problem is solved. I hope for everyone.

Title: Re: You can now upload to Windy
Post by: galfert on April 18, 2019, 11:01:56 PM
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I am fairly convinced the error is not in Meteobridge as I send to both CWOP and Windy through that one source. CWOP is correct and Windy is not. It is just a matter of a simple programming error and am sure it will be corrected very soon by either.
I am using CumulusMX and it has a similar pressure issue:
CumulusMX Custom HTTP  https://www.windy.com/station/pws-f06ea ... i:pressure (https://www.windy.com/station/pws-f06ea43a?42.954,-81.436,8,i:pressure) and it has the pressure 100x error

Cumulus 1 Madis-CWOP  https://www.windy.com/station/madis-D3930?42.954,-81.436,8,i:pressure and the pressure is correct
WiFiLogger Madis-CWOP  https://www.windy.com/station/madis-F2530?42.954,-81.436,8,i:pressure and the pressure is also correct

Enjoy,

Strangely I checked before reading your message and mine is also reading correct. I suppose the problem is solved. I hope for everyone.

The problem isn't solved. As of 1 minute ago your Windy station using the Meteobridge Weather Network tab is not working correctly.
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If you look at your CWOP station that is correct because it wasn't sent by the Meteobridge directly to Windy. That was gotten by Windy from MADIS. Your Meteobridge is separately sending to CWOP. Which then makes it way to MADIS.  Then Windy pulls in every MADIS station data. The posting method the Meteobridge does to Windy is different than the posting method to CWOP. There is a problem with the Windy upload. The CWOP upload has no problem.

The only way to solve the problem now yourself with Windy is to not use the Weather Network method. Use instead the HTTP method under the Services tab.
Title: Re: You can now upload to Windy
Post by: andyk1 on April 18, 2019, 11:12:50 PM
Weird, when I just checked again now it reads different.

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Title: Re: You can now upload to Windy
Post by: galfert on April 19, 2019, 12:04:43 AM
if Boris had opted to use the imperial tags, then it was basicly the same as sending to wunderground and he could have re used those same routines
as windy.com did not want to re invent the wheel and so made it easy..just use the wunderground type format (i,e the variable names are the same even)

Not the same. WU is rapidfire and it sends actual current live instant sensor readings. Windy instead wants averages from prior minutes and depending on the sensor the average time differs.
https://community.windy.com/topic/8186/wind-direction-interval/5

Also there are other differences if you read the API documentation as posting method is different....similar ...but still different. WU is GET and Windy is POST although GET is supported also with Windy....but according to Matt creator of WeeWx there is still a problem with POST method with Windy and he says that this is the preferred method and that is also what Windy says is preferable. When we use the HTTP method we are actually using the GET method. We don't know which method Boris used. But even if using GET which is same protocol as WU there are other differences.

API definitions:
https://feedback.weather.com/customer/en/portal/articles/2924682-pws-upload-protocol?b_id=17298
https://community.windy.com/topic/8168/report-you-weather-station-data-to-windy

There are differences in what gets sent. For example Windy doesn't want rain rate and WU does. And WU actually accepts many other sensors. So the WU upload code probably is way more complicated than the simple and limited Windy with its limited variables. Just look at the documentation links above and see all the extra sensors WU uses.

You mentioned the variables being the same.  Well Time stamp is different. Some other variables are the same...but none of that is as important as the Meteobridge's matching variables which is where the problem is and this is where the big differences happen. And in terms of what the Meteobridge's variables are then based on the different definitions for each service then the internal variables of the Meteobridge need to be changed and adapted. The differences are for the value of the escape tags are supposed to send....mainly differing from instant versus averages that I mentioned before.

Lastly Boris probably looked at the documentation and decided to use Metric because he is in Germany and the majority of the world thinks in Metric. He would not have known unless he had done more careful testing that Metric was not going to work the way he envisioned. Windy goofed. They decided to define pressure as Pa which nobody uses. But Boris also goofed (as did others) because they didn't notice that the documentation clearly said Pa and not hPa. Its like if I tell you to color on paper a cut open orange (the fruit)...and then in small print I say the orange is a blood orange. But you color it orange color instead of red because you missed the small print. You weren't expecting me to change the color ...because everyone expects an orange to be, well orange, and not red. So both sides are at fault, one side for not asking what is normal, and the other side for not reading the small print...which wasn't really small print...it was a definition that wasn't read...but if I say give me pressure in Metric, then most people would feel comfortable knowing what pressure is in metric without needed to read the definition...so they think hPa.
Title: Re: You can now upload to Windy
Post by: lightmaster on April 19, 2019, 12:28:52 AM
Weird, when I just checked again now it reads different.

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You sir, are now suffocating in a vacuum, congrats, lol. :lol:
Title: Re: You can now upload to Windy
Post by: galfert on April 19, 2019, 12:35:12 AM
Weird, when I just checked again now it reads different.

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Looks like we got our bearings crossed I was talking about your station being off 10x. You seem to be talking about PaulMy's station which is 100x off in the opposite direction. PaulMy's problem is that his station is using metric upload as it is sending hPa when Windy expects Pa. Your problem is that Boris seems to have switched from metric to imperial but he decided to also do a formula correction which wasn't needed. He probably though he had to upload imperial and also multiply by 10x because previously when he was uploading in metric he noticed that he had an error that was only 10x off.

It is quite possible that Windy is moving the goal posts at the same time. So this will need some time for things to settle and for both sides to understand each other.
Title: Re: You can now upload to Windy
Post by: andyk1 on April 19, 2019, 12:42:22 AM
Weird, when I just checked again now it reads different.

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Looks like we got our bearings crossed I was talking about your station being off 10x. You seem to be talking about PaulMy's station which is 100x off in the opposite direction. PaulMy's problem is that his station is using metric upload as it is sending hPa when Windy expects Pa. Your problem is that Boris seems to have switched from metric to imperial but he decided to also do a formula correction which wasn't needed. He probably though he had to upload imperial and also multiply by 10x because previously when he was uploading in metric he noticed that he had an error that was only 10x off.

It is quite possible that Windy is moving the goal posts at the same time. So this will need some time for things to settle and for both sides to understand each other.

Yes I noticed you can slide the time bar and you can see the readings jumping around. I was hoping windy and boris where talking together to hash things out. I'm not concerned in making any more changes and just wait for updates when there available. Seems most people are on different pages and not getting anywhere.

I tried the HTTP method again and it does not work for me. Not sure why as it obviously does for others. Anyway, I'll wait. Am sure there working the kinks out.
Title: Re: You can now upload to Windy
Post by: lightmaster on April 19, 2019, 12:45:09 AM
Andyk1, I would suggest you pm galfert the exact http url you are using without editing anything or removing your key. Let him double check what's in that text bar. Don't post it here though for everyone to see because that API key could easily be abused if someone malicious got ahold of it.
Title: Re: You can now upload to Windy
Post by: andyk1 on April 19, 2019, 12:47:33 AM
Na, I somehow got my wires crossed and saw I quoted the wrong post but the answer was correct. It's jumping around to being right then off by 10X. Am waiting as I'm beating a dead horse.
Title: Re: You can now upload to Windy
Post by: andyk1 on April 19, 2019, 12:49:51 AM
Andyk1, I would suggest you pm galfert the exact http url you are using without editing anything or removing your key. Let him double check what's in that text bar. Don't post it here though for everyone to see because that API key could easily be abused if someone malicious got ahold of it.

Will do. To tired tonight and will do it in the morning. Goodnight.
Title: Re: You can now upload to Windy
Post by: galfert on April 19, 2019, 12:53:41 AM
Weird, when I just checked again now it reads different.

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Looks like we got our bearings crossed I was talking about your station being off 10x. You seem to be talking about PaulMy's station which is 100x off in the opposite direction. PaulMy's problem is that his station is using metric upload as it is sending hPa when Windy expects Pa. Your problem is that Boris seems to have switched from metric to imperial but he decided to also do a formula correction which wasn't needed. He probably though he had to upload imperial and also multiply by 10x because previously when he was uploading in metric he noticed that he had an error that was only 10x off.

It is quite possible that Windy is moving the goal posts at the same time. So this will need some time for things to settle and for both sides to understand each other.
I tried the HTTP method again and it does not work for me. Not sure why as it obviously does for others. Anyway, I'll wait. Am sure there working the kinks out.

I think we can fix your station with HTTP method quickly and easily. Copy your HTTP statement that you were trying to use in your Meteobridge and then just delete the API Key and post the rest of it. I bet that there is some typo that you are missing. Maybe you have entered http:// instead of https:// for example.  Or maybe one of the zeros is the letter O. like in wind0wind, or something else.

Also when switching from the Weather Network tab method to the HTTP method you need to disable the Weather Network Method first....and always remember to click the SAVE button at the bottom of the page when making changes before changing tabs.

If you are seeing station data jumping around from right to wrong it seems to me like maybe your HTTP method is working and you have both the HTTP method and the Weather Network method both operational at the same time, and sometimes one gets posted and other times the other gets posted.
Title: Re: You can now upload to Windy
Post by: waiukuweather on April 19, 2019, 01:42:47 AM
galfert I never said exactly like WU
but enough the same
and your argument about metric does not hold much weight..Boris would have had all the routines to use imperial as that is what WU uses
and so that I would have thought would have been the easiest
they had that available because they did not want to re invent the wheel. That is what they told me.
Title: Re: You can now upload to Windy
Post by: galfert on April 19, 2019, 01:48:26 AM
galfert I never said exactly like WU
but enough the same
and your argument about metric does not hold much weight..Boris would have had all the routines to use imperial as that is what WU uses
and so that I would have thought would have been the easiest
they had that available because they did not want to re invent the wheel. That is what they told me.

Okay...fair enough. Your point is valid. We are both just speculating anyway. Would have, could have, should have....eh...let's move on. This problem will be fixed withing days...probably within 24 hours.
Title: Re: You can now upload to Windy
Post by: andyk1 on April 19, 2019, 12:42:50 PM
Just letting everyone know I finally got my Windy working with galfert's help. We abandoned the meteobridge "Weather Network" method in favor of his HTTP with a few mods to what I was using. If you still need help get a hold of him but I will post his method here.

Follow these steps.Remember this is for Imperial and not metric. You will need to change this to suite you.

    Go to Services tab on the Meteobridge
    Click on the Select Service drop down and select HTTP Request
    Click on Select Event Type drop down and select Periodical
    Click on Add Service Event button
    You'll now see new fields to fill in above for HTTP under Event Definition section
    Change frequency to Every 5 minutes
    Set Retry to 2 Retries
    Copy and Paste the following URL:
https://stations.windy.com/pws/update/XXX- Your very, very, very long Windy-API-Key goes here-XXX?winddir=[wind0dir-avg2]&windspeedmph=[wind0wind-avg2=mph]&windgustmph=[wind0wind-max10=mph]&tempf=[th0temp-avg5=F]&rainin=[rain0total-sum60=in.2]&baromin=[thb0seapress-min1=inHg.2]&dewptf=[th0dew-avg1=F]&humidity=[th0hum-avg1]&uv=[uv0index-avg5]

    Fill in Success: SUCCESS "In Caps as shown"
    Click on the Save button at the bottom
    ***Don't forget to disable the Windy upload in the "Weather Network" tab***


 Go you your Windy page. Mine is as an example. Look for your Windy ID along with your lat-long or log in and enter it after /pws-  https://www.windy.com/station/pws-f075a2d9?35.491,-97.329,8,i:pressure

All credit goes to "Galfert" Many many thanks to Galfert for getting me up.

I am sure a fix is coming for those with the Meteobridge.

Andy
Title: Re: You can now upload to Windy
Post by: lightmaster on April 19, 2019, 12:48:13 PM
You don't have to include the gps in your url, Windy will fill that in for you, so https://www.windy.com/station/pws-f075a2d9 pulls up your station just fine for me.

Did y'all figure out what what wrong with your HTTP service originally that was causing it to not work?
Title: Re: You can now upload to Windy
Post by: andyk1 on April 19, 2019, 01:12:09 PM
You don't have to include the gps in your url, Windy will fill that in for you, so https://www.windy.com/station/pws-f075a2d9 pulls up your station just fine for me.

Did y'all figure out what what wrong with your HTTP service originally that was causing it to not work?

You are correct and thank you.

To be honest I am studying what I did that caused it to not work but I cannot figure it out. The best conclusion or assumption I can make is my copy and past somehow added or did not add some characters but looking at it letter for letter I can not find any errors. Galfert did change a set from "&rainin=[rain0total-sum60=in.2" to "&rainin=[rain0total-hoursum=in.2" That's that only thing I can see.

Again thanks for correcting me.

P.S. I may have gotten that backwards here's the string script I am using that works.

https://stations.windy.com/pws/update/XXX- Your very, very, very long Windy-API-Key goes here-XXX?winddir=[wind0dir-avg2]&windspeedmph=[wind0wind-avg2=mph]&windgustmph=[wind0wind-max10=mph]&tempf=[th0temp-avg5=F]&rainin=[rain0total-sum60=in.2]&baromin=[thb0seapress-min1=inHg.2]&dewptf=[th0dew-avg1=F]&humidity=[th0hum-avg1]&uv=[uv0index-avg5]

Remember to keep the "?" at the end of the API key -XXX?
Title: Re: You can now upload to Windy
Post by: andyk1 on April 19, 2019, 08:26:34 PM
Meteobridge just released an update to address the pressure issue in the Windy Weather Network section. Both galfert's and Meteobridges up should work. I am rebooting now to test out MB's update.

Remember to also turn off your HTTP method. You do not need to delete it just turned off.
In services section on meteobridge click the drop down arrow next to your windy HTTP # for me it's #04 dropdown arrow HTTP. Click the off or delete, which ever you prefer.

Andy

P.S. it is in fact working properly.
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Title: Re: You can now upload to Windy
Post by: PraveenC31 on April 23, 2019, 08:29:55 AM
What does windy do with the rain data. They say they do not show rain data for stations :(
Title: Re: You can now upload to Windy
Post by: galfert on April 23, 2019, 08:40:02 AM
What does windy do with the rain data. They say they do not show rain data for stations :(

You can sort of see the rain data in the station if you look at the green and blue section indicating different rain amounts. Blue is light and Green is heavier. Also the length of the bars signifies intensity or amount. UPDATE: Now the thinking is that this is not rain data...it is wind data of high winds. But see next point for definite rain data but not from the individual stations.
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You can see on the map Rain Accumulation if you select that option from the side menu.
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To see on the map the cities with their rain totals you need to not just be on Rain Accumulation but you also need to select Forecasted Weather icon down below.
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Then if you zoom in you get pretty good color map detail and more cities show up with their rain totals. You can't see individual stations but this is pretty good data that is extrapolated from many stations. The Dallas area is getting hammered. That is a lot of rain.
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Title: Re: You can now upload to Windy
Post by: andyk1 on April 23, 2019, 08:42:09 AM
What does windy do with the rain data. They say they do not show rain data for stations :(

Glad I saw this reply before asking them. I was just looking at my Station on Windy and guessed it shows up when it's rain. Well it's raining and no rain data. I was going to leave them a message but I guess you answered that.
Title: Re: You can now upload to Windy
Post by: andyk1 on April 23, 2019, 08:45:47 AM
OK makes sense. I was wondering what that green bar was. Thanks galfert.
Title: Re: You can now upload to Windy
Post by: mcrossley on April 23, 2019, 08:52:39 AM
I think the thin green line (dots) are gust wind speed and the larger bars average speed. I get them on my station when the wind speed increases, but not had any rain for a couple of weeks!
Title: Re: You can now upload to Windy
Post by: galfert on April 23, 2019, 08:57:14 AM
I think the thin green line (dots) are gust wind speed and the larger bars average speed. I get them on my station when the wind speed increases, but not had any rain for a couple of weeks!

Hmmm... that might be. I thought it was rain as those were raining days for me and I usually have very calm winds. It only gusts when it is storming. So perhaps that is why I drew a wrong conclusion.

Thanks, I edited my post above.
Title: Re: You can now upload to Windy
Post by: andyk1 on April 23, 2019, 09:01:14 AM
Looking at my site it does look like rain. I have the green bar now but not a few hours ago nor yesterday or the day before but looking at my site it sort of matches with rain.
Well looking at it again it may not be rain. We did have almost 0 wind for about 5 hours and I mis-spoke.  The more I look at it, it does look like wind and gusts.
Title: Re: You can now upload to Windy
Post by: mcrossley on April 23, 2019, 09:04:20 AM
So, no rain for me and this is what I see.
The wind drops to almost nothing here at night when it is relatively calm like now.
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Title: Re: You can now upload to Windy
Post by: mcrossley on April 23, 2019, 09:08:54 AM
And the nearby "official" stations that only report windspeed - no separate avg and gust, only have the larger bars area filled. So who knows what it means, the Windy documentation is a bit on the light side  :lol:
Title: Re: You can now upload to Windy
Post by: havtrail on April 23, 2019, 09:19:27 AM
Seems like a legend or "key" is needed.  - Rich K.
Title: Re: You can now upload to Windy
Post by: PraveenC31 on April 23, 2019, 09:19:54 AM
What does windy do with the rain data. They say they do not show rain data for stations :(

You can sort of see the rain data in the station if you look at the green and blue section indicating different rain amounts. Blue is light and Green is heavier. Also the length of the bars signifies intensity or amount.UPDATE: Now the thinking is that this is not rain data...it is wind data of high winds. But see next point for definite rain data but not from the individual stations.
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You can see on the map Rain Accumulation if you select that option from the side menu.
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To see on the map the cities with their rain totals you need to not just be on Rain Accumulation but you also need to select Forecasted Weather icon down below.
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Then if you zoom in you get pretty good color map detail and more cities show up with their rain totals. You can't see individual stations but this is pretty good data that is extrapolated from many stations. The Dallas area is getting hammered. That is a lot of rain.
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The rainfall accumulation on windy is forecast I believe, not the past accumulation.
Title: Re: You can now upload to Windy
Post by: galfert on April 23, 2019, 09:43:53 AM
The rainfall accumulation on windy is forecast I believe, not the past accumulation.

You are correct. The forecasted rain accumulation can be changed on the bottom left when Rain Accumulation is selected.

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I guess there is no historical rain data. Strange. Well Windy is still young. It is after all called Windy and not Rainy.  :grin:
So it is rather curious why they even bother collecting rain data from our stations. No different than PWSweather collecting UV and they don't show it...yet...as they said they are launching a new site at some point hopefully soon.
Title: Re: You can now upload to Windy
Post by: txweather.org on April 23, 2019, 09:50:33 AM
The rainfall accumulation on windy is forecast I believe, not the past accumulation.

You are correct. The forecasted rain accumulation can be changed on the bottom left when Rain Accumulation is selected.

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I guess there is no historical rain data. Strange. Well Windy is still young. It is after all called Windy and not Rainy.  :grin:


Not strange... Just not what they are about... You kinda guessed it...
https://community.windy.com/topic/9/how-can-i-access-historical-data

I am hopeful that with wunderground going the way they are, That they get ambitious and go after wunderground users and implement such features.
Title: Re: You can now upload to Windy
Post by: galfert on April 23, 2019, 09:55:34 AM
Since we are learning what the Windy displays mean how about this one. What does Category mean? It only shows up for Windy stations. It does not show up for my CWOP station on Windy. This Category section does not show any data.

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Title: Re: You can now upload to Windy
Post by: PraveenC31 on April 23, 2019, 09:58:58 AM
For weather enthusiasts like us in tropical regions, rain is the most interesting stuff. The temperature is pretty much steady throughout the year, no great fluctuations. No rainfall data is a bummer for me and makes me lose motivation to upload to windy. But then again its windy and not rainy! :)
Title: Re: You can now upload to Windy
Post by: mcrossley on April 23, 2019, 11:27:28 AM
But there again, lots of Windy past-times are rain sensitive too - paragliding/hang gliding etc.
Title: Re: You can now upload to Windy
Post by: PaulMy on April 25, 2019, 11:04:20 AM
After beta testing Mark has released CumulusMX build 3049 24-April-2019 with built in Windy upload settings and catch up   https://cumuluswiki.wxforum.net/a/Software

Enjoy,
Paul


Title: Re: You can now upload to Windy
Post by: galfert on April 26, 2019, 07:31:29 AM
Arrrh....See this is what you get for being an early adopter...You become the guinea pig.
Don't use the Meteobridge's Windy upload in the Weather Network tab yet. It is sending the wrong pressure.
Stick to the HTTP upload method for now...(using inHg) as Windy does not accept hPa and is only accepting Pa ...so that is the root cause for this issue.

UPDATE: This problem has been fixed with the latest update. Reboot and get the update.

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If you uploaded bad data to Windy, it takes a full week to recover. Bad data can cause flat barometric lines because scaling with regard to this bad data is way off. After a week of good data the bad data falls off the timeline.

All looks good now.
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Title: Re: You can now upload to Windy
Post by: Dave97 on May 15, 2019, 07:15:30 PM
How does one find PWS on windy? I can only find them with a link. Looking to see if there is any around me.
Title: Re: You can now upload to Windy
Post by: Jasiu on May 15, 2019, 07:46:19 PM
How does one find PWS on windy? I can only find them with a link. Looking to see if there is any around me.

(Assuming you are trying this on a computer browser). Go to the lower right where there is a horizontal line of icons, just above the model selector. Click on the icon that looks like a thermometer (should say "reported temp." when you hover over it). You should then see temperature icons pop up on the map. Zoom in to the location you want and then click on the temperature.

Gotta say that getting to a whole lot of what Windy offers isn't very intuitive.
Title: Re: You can now upload to Windy
Post by: Dave97 on May 15, 2019, 07:54:22 PM
How does one find PWS on windy? I can only find them with a link. Looking to see if there is any around me.

(Assuming you are trying this on a computer browser). Go to the lower right where there is a horizontal line of icons, just above the model selector. Click on the icon that looks like a thermometer (should say "reported temp." when you hover over it). You should then see temperature icons pop up on the map. Zoom in to the location you want and then click on the temperature.

Gotta say that getting to a whole lot of what Windy offers isn't very intuitive.

Thanks that works. Not exactly easy find i was looking for a PWS layer. :)
Title: Re: You can now upload to Windy
Post by: CW2274 on May 15, 2019, 07:55:12 PM
How does one find PWS on windy? I can only find them with a link. Looking to see if there is any around me.
Gotta say that getting to a whole lot of what Windy offers isn't very intuitive.
Amen.. :roll:
Title: Re: You can now upload to Windy
Post by: galfert on May 15, 2019, 09:33:53 PM
Windy published an API with commands to get a full dump of Windy stations. This dump produces a text file that is not well formated. It is comma delimited but different records have different lengths and it is just a stream of data without hard returns. So you have no way of knowing when one stations data ends and the next one begins. I generated this export file using their API. Then I massaged the data to insert hard returns by running a filter to insert it for me in the right places based on what I discovered after some data analysis were the first items for a record. Then I had to realign columns as some records have different headers. Part of the difference is that stations that have never reported don't have all the headers, and there are also some other wierd stations that I think exist as test data by Windy that were created before the final API rolled out. I'm used to dealing with large data and databases but this was craziness. It was a bunch of gobbledygook. It was certainly a challenge. Good thing it wasn't too much data. I did this a couple weeks ago. I'm not looking forward to doing this again...but I'll probably do it again in a few months to see the growth. Especially now that Weather Underground took away my fun with no access to station database. In Windy's station database dump I found there were only about 358 registered stations and less than half, or about a third or around 112 or so were actually sending data. The majority by a large margin were Davis stations. This data dump only included Windy and not CWOP stations. Included in the data dump was every station's Latitude and Longitude. So you could use this and then plot these on a map yourself. I didn't feel like doing this.

It's still early days for all this. Windy said that they are working on expanding the tools available and I suspect that at some point they included in their web UI a way to see just that an only Windy stations. At this point there are so few that I don't blame them for not displaying it as it really doesn't amount to much.
Title: Re: You can now upload to Windy
Post by: mkutche on May 26, 2019, 05:57:16 PM
So I don't know if i did it right but https://www.windy.com/station/pws-f06fd58d?39.298,-86.699,8,i:pressure (https://www.windy.com/station/pws-f06fd58d?39.298,-86.699,8,i:pressure) its showing data but the models dont seem to be working
Title: Re: You can now upload to Windy
Post by: mickopla on June 05, 2019, 06:41:10 AM
I'm uploading my data via Madis and PWS but i can only view the more up to date data by clicking this link https://www.windy.com/station/pws-f06ffa5c?52.241,-7.140,8,i:pressure,p:off
 To browse the map i only see data from my station via MADIS. I don't see the point in uploading directly if they only list the Madis data when browsing. The odds of people seeing the more up to date data are slim to none.