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Title: AcuRite Access??
Post by: daman on December 13, 2017, 02:29:51 PM
What is this????

https://www.acurite.com/access-invitation
Title: Re: AcuRite Access??
Post by: worachj on December 13, 2017, 04:16:13 PM
I just got the Email with the invite this afternoon. Looks like they're trying to give existing customers a chance to upgrade at a reduced price. But I need more information before I would update. Looking for a product link. Its shipping sometime in January.
Title: Re: AcuRite Access??
Post by: daman on December 13, 2017, 04:18:06 PM
Is this for the new stations coming out or just a updated hub or?
Title: Re: AcuRite Access??
Post by: worachj on December 13, 2017, 04:21:28 PM
Its says its for ..

•Support for current My AcuRite compatible sensors
•Expandable to support new My AcuRite compatible sensors

So I guess that means its for the upcoming Elite Atlas line and its sensors.
Title: Re: AcuRite Access??
Post by: worachj on December 13, 2017, 04:27:14 PM
The new access hub looks like the one in the picture on Amazon for the Atlas.

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B074XK4BSN/_encoding=UTF8?coliid=IYMOKVOU6OIQ0&colid=MUG0SDO321YO&psc=0
Title: Re: AcuRite Access??
Post by: BeaverMeadow on December 13, 2017, 04:31:46 PM
Is the Access being released for January 2019 or January 2020?  #-o
Title: Re: AcuRite Access??
Post by: txbayou on December 13, 2017, 04:33:38 PM
Hate to say it but if you buy this, be prepared to fall back on your old flip up hub a few times while they work out the bugs on the new Access unit. There are bound to be some . Maybe thats the idea behind this low price intro: to get a crowd of test drivers for the new hub before they release it as the standard hub for the  Atlas or as a standalone upgrade for as they say $90 more?

Would be nice to have more specs and I might just take the intro offer if there was a chance of better signal reception than with the flip up hub. How long does the intro offer run?
Title: Re: AcuRite Access??
Post by: daman on December 13, 2017, 04:34:30 PM
The new access hub looks like the one in the picture on Amazon for the Atlas.

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B074XK4BSN/_encoding=UTF8?coliid=IYMOKVOU6OIQ0&colid=MUG0SDO321YO&psc=0
Hmmm, explains it..
Title: Re: AcuRite Access??
Post by: daman on December 13, 2017, 04:35:59 PM
Is the Access being released for January 2019 or January 2020?  #-o
19 I take it.
Title: Re: AcuRite Access??
Post by: worachj on December 13, 2017, 04:39:14 PM
How long does the intro offer run?

I'm thinking of signing up. My Email says....   

Quote
Once you sign up, we will notify you with an offer code that’s unique to your email, which you can use to complete your AcuRite Access order.


Sounds like I don't have to use the code if I don't want to.
Title: Re: AcuRite Access??
Post by: daman on December 13, 2017, 04:41:52 PM
How long does the intro offer run?

I'm thinking of signing up. My Email says....   

Quote
Once you sign up, we will notify you with an offer code thatís unique to your email, which you can use to complete your AcuRite Access order.


Sounds like I don't have to use the code if you don't want to.
I sighed up just to get on the list, not saying ill use it.
Title: Re: AcuRite Access??
Post by: nincehelser on December 13, 2017, 05:08:34 PM
Some of you guys are such Negative Nancies.  ;)

The SmartHUB hardware was getting pretty long in the tooth.  There just wasn't much memory or other resources there left to work with.

The Access resolves that issue.

It will be necessary for the 433MHz Atlas.

There have been some technical changes that will make network interception of the data more difficult, if not impossible.  Data is encrypted going to myAcurite.  Data to wunderground is currently not.  That could always change, though.

Also, data seems to be stored and sent to myAcurite in 5-minute intervals.  I imagine this is to cut down on the traffic and processing on their end.  Data to wunderground is still sent "rapid-fire", though.  Again, this could always change.

So in its current form, you could always sniff the wunderground data.
Title: Re: AcuRite Access??
Post by: daman on December 13, 2017, 05:22:12 PM
Some of you guys are such Negative Nancies.  ;)

The SmartHUB hardware was getting pretty long in the tooth.  There just wasn't much memory or other resources there left to work with.

The Access resolves that issue.

It will be necessary for the 433MHz Atlas.

There have been some technical changes that will make network interception of the data more difficult, if not impossible.  Data is encrypted going to myAcurite.  Data to wunderground is currently not.  That could always change, though.

Also, data seems to be stored and sent to myAcurite in 5-minute intervals.  I imagine this is to cut down on the traffic and processing on their end.  Data to wunderground is still sent "rapid-fire", though.  Again, this could always change.

So in its current form, you could always sniff the wunderground data.
So this new Access will have plenty of room for updates,etc?
Title: Re: AcuRite Access??
Post by: nincehelser on December 13, 2017, 05:30:48 PM
So this new Access will have plenty of room for updates,etc?

That's the plan.  I don't know any specifics of how much memory it has, nor have I opened it up to see what's inside, though.

I've gone through a few update cycles without a hitch.  Like before, there's no user involvement.  It just updates quietly when one is available.
Title: Re: AcuRite Access??
Post by: daman on December 13, 2017, 05:33:04 PM
So this new Access will have plenty of room for updates,etc?

That's the plan.  I don't know any specifics of how much memory it has, nor have I opened it up to see what's inside, though.

I've gone through a few update cycles without a hitch.  Like before, there's no user involvement.  It just updates quietly when one is available.
Is there any internal interface like the old hub has as to see signal strength etc?
Title: Re: AcuRite Access??
Post by: nincehelser on December 13, 2017, 05:35:56 PM
Is there any internal interface like the old hub has as to see signal strength etc?

There is still an internal "splash" page like the SmartHUB for debugging purposes.

They have done away with the "app" and "boot" firmware levels, though.  Now there is only one number.
Title: Re: AcuRite Access??
Post by: tandy1000 on December 13, 2017, 05:37:21 PM
Some of you guys are such Negative Nancies.  ;)

The SmartHUB hardware was getting pretty long in the tooth.  There just wasn't much memory or other resources there left to work with.

The Access resolves that issue.

It will be necessary for the 433MHz Atlas.

There have been some technical changes that will make network interception of the data more difficult, if not impossible.  Data is encrypted going to myAcurite.  Data to wunderground is currently not.  That could always change, though.

Also, data seems to be stored and sent to myAcurite in 5-minute intervals.  I imagine this is to cut down on the traffic and processing on their end.  Data to wunderground is still sent "rapid-fire", though.  Again, this could always change.

So in its current form, you could always sniff the wunderground data.

The one thing I dreaded they would do. Ugh. Was really hoping for an API, or at least an MQTT implementation.  :sad:
Title: Re: AcuRite Access??
Post by: nincehelser on December 13, 2017, 05:40:56 PM
The one thing I dreaded they would do. Ugh. Was really hoping for an API, or at least an MQTT implementation.  :sad:

So am I, but I suspect such a thing is not out of the question for a future release.
Title: Re: AcuRite Access??
Post by: daman on December 13, 2017, 05:55:25 PM
Is there any internal interface like the old hub has as to see signal strength etc?

There is still an internal "splash" page like the SmartHUB for debugging purposes.

They have done away with the "app" and "boot" firmware levels, though.  Now there is only one number.
Thanks George
Title: Re: AcuRite Access??
Post by: Glenn on December 14, 2017, 03:16:41 PM
Any thoughts on how the signal is with this vs. the current smart hub? I'm still getting random disconnects on one of my hubs/stations.
Title: Re: AcuRite Access??
Post by: nincehelser on December 14, 2017, 03:53:01 PM
Any thoughts on how the signal is with this vs. the current smart hub? I'm still getting random disconnects on one of my hubs/stations.

I've been running two of them at two sites.  They're also running in parallel with SmartHUBs.

I haven't seen any difference as far as signal reception goes.
Title: Re: AcuRite Access??
Post by: DoctorKnow on December 14, 2017, 08:15:47 PM
So we can discuss the little mushroom antenna now? 8) This thing is so simple to install. I'm getting 4 full bars on mine, so my signal is much better on the access than it was with the smarthub. I found that having it sit with the back of it pointing towards the outdoor sensors was best. If I turn it just a bit, the signal will go down.
Title: Re: AcuRite Access??
Post by: A1cntrler on December 14, 2017, 08:57:40 PM
I didn't find any difference in signal vs my SmartHub.  I'm in a stucco constructed home (wire with concrete walls) and am about 30-50 feet from my various sensors it reads from. 

The best feature is the battery backup.  Still miss that I can't pick and choose which sensors I want to share to WU and that only WU is the only choice.  I'll stick to my SmartHub and hope for integration with my Meteobridge for the Access (although from reading here it looks like the data is encrypted now and can't be sniffed out?).  With the all-in-one stations that are available it's hard to site properly for all the readings.  If you're good for one reading, you're off for the others.  As it is now for me I use a Tower in a radiation shield for my temperature and humidity for my reports to WU and others I share with through Meteobridge.
Title: Re: AcuRite Access??
Post by: nincehelser on December 14, 2017, 09:10:40 PM
The Access uses a vertical helical antenna.  It takes up maybe about half of the vertical height of the Access chassis.  There's a funny little "bumper" on the end of the antenna.  I guess they didn't want it whacking against the sides if somebody shook the Access?

The antenna looks to be a much cleaner installation than the bent-wire antenna in the SmartHUB and is certainly a better omni.

Other things I noticed in my quick-look was that the main processor appears to be an ARM2.

There's a rather large shielded area, too.  I suspect that's where the radio components are.  There were no markings on it.

The baro sensor (if I identified it correctly) appears to be a tiny thing.  It's so tiny it's hard to read the markings.

I've got some pics, but I've been asked not to post pics of the internals yet.  The layout does look nice, though.

 
Title: Re: AcuRite Access??
Post by: DoctorKnow on December 14, 2017, 09:25:04 PM
I didn't find any difference in signal vs my SmartHub.  I'm in a stucco constructed home (wire with concrete walls) and am about 30-50 feet from my various sensors it reads from. 

The best feature is the battery backup.  Still miss that I can't pick and choose which sensors I want to share to WU and that only WU is the only choice.  I'll stick to my SmartHub and hope for integration with my Meteobridge for the Access (although from reading here it looks like the data is encrypted now and can't be sniffed out?).  With the all-in-one stations that are available it's hard to site properly for all the readings.  If you're good for one reading, you're off for the others.  As it is now for me I use a Tower in a radiation shield for my temperature and humidity for my reports to WU and others I share with through Meteobridge.
I have asked about adding CWOP to the choices of sites to send data, but I haven't heard anything. I would expect it should be simple to do, being that they use Lat/longitude and a simple identifier, but I am not sure.
As far as "sniffing" data to an external device like a pi, meteobridge, etc, I have no clue if that will work again. I would hope so.
Title: Re: AcuRite Access??
Post by: DoctorKnow on December 14, 2017, 09:33:35 PM
The Access uses a vertical helical antenna.  It takes up maybe about half of the vertical height of the Access chassis.  There's a funny little "bumper" on the end of the antenna.  I guess they didn't want it whacking against the sides if somebody shook the Access?

The antenna looks to be a much cleaner installation than the bent-wire antenna in the SmartHUB and is certainly a better omni.

Other things I noticed in my quick-look was that the main processor appears to be an ARM2.

There's a rather large shielded area, too.  I suspect that's where the radio components are.  There were no markings on it.

The baro sensor (if I identified it correctly) appears to be a tiny thing.  It's so tiny it's hard to read the markings.

I've got some pics, but I've been asked not to post pics of the internals yet.  The layout does look nice, though.

 

I haven't been brave enough yet to open mine. With my luck, it would die, so I will leave it be for now.

The access is lightweight, so when you locate it, you will want to be sure it is somewhere that if it gets bumped, it will not fall and possibly break. Pets could easily tip it over I think. It has a tiny blue light in front that burns steady all the time.
Acurite gives you cords that are long enough to move it easily 5 ft from where it is hooked up.
Title: Re: AcuRite Access??
Post by: nincehelser on December 14, 2017, 09:38:36 PM
As far as "sniffing" data to an external device like a pi, meteobridge, etc, I have no clue if that will work again. I would hope so.

The last time I looked, sensor data to myAcurite was encrypted.  That will certainly throw a kink into simple sniffing.

Data to wunderground is still in the clear, but there's no telling when that could go encrypted, too.

It might be possible to set up a "fake" myAcurite server locally to receive and decrypt the data, but if they went as far as to validate the identity of the receiver, that certainly won't work.

The other issue is that myAcurite data is not sent "real-time".  Apparently they are holding all data and sending it in 5-minute intervals instead.
Title: Re: AcuRite Access??
Post by: nincehelser on December 14, 2017, 09:43:06 PM
It has a tiny blue light in front that burns steady all the time.

This is meaningless trivia, but someone might be interested.

The front light is actually an LED on the mainboard.  There's a "C" shaped plastic optical guide that plugs into a socket above the LED, then routes the light around to the front.  It kind of looks goofy when you first see it, but I guess it makes sense from a manufacturing perspective.
Title: Re: AcuRite Access??
Post by: tandy1000 on December 15, 2017, 06:25:00 AM
Did anyone happen to run nmap to see if there are any other ports open aside from the web interface?
Title: Re: AcuRite Access??
Post by: nincehelser on December 15, 2017, 07:01:20 AM
Did anyone happen to run nmap to see if there are any other ports open aside from the web interface?

Yes.  Nothing other than the web port was open.  It looks just like the SmartHUB in that respect.
Title: Re: AcuRite Access??
Post by: nincehelser on December 15, 2017, 07:06:28 AM
I took a closer look at the Access interior.

The radio receiver is a MICRF211 chip, just like the SmartHUB.

The large shielded area is obviously something else.  Maybe it's a memory module?
Title: Re: AcuRite Access??
Post by: daman on December 15, 2017, 07:13:06 AM
I took a closer look at the Access interior.

The radio receiver is a MICRF211 chip, just like the SmartHUB.
So are we expected to see the same bad reception as the current hub? Depressing.
Title: Re: AcuRite Access??
Post by: nincehelser on December 15, 2017, 07:22:37 AM
I took a closer look at the Access interior.

The radio receiver is a MICRF211 chip, just like the SmartHUB.
So are we expected to see the same bad reception as the current hub? Depressing.

I get good reception with my SmartHUBs, and I see similar good reception with the Access.

The antenna difference should help some, but I don't know if it would be enough to help someone currently having bad reception problems.

Have you checked the antenna wire on your SmartHUB to make sure it isn't touching anything it shouldn't on the mainboard?
Title: Re: AcuRite Access??
Post by: daman on December 15, 2017, 07:51:59 AM
I took a closer look at the Access interior.

The radio receiver is a MICRF211 chip, just like the SmartHUB.
So are we expected to see the same bad reception as the current hub? Depressing.

I get good reception with my SmartHUBs, and I see similar good reception with the Access.

The antenna difference should help some, but I don't know if it would be enough to help someone currently having bad reception problems.

Have you checked the antenna wire on your SmartHUB to make sure it isn't touching anything it shouldn't on the mainboard?
I'm currently out of warranty so I've been thinking about opening it up and checking that, thanks for the reminder, I was just hoping this new access they would have improved the antenna somewhat for all the people reporting bad reception but I guess we'll see. I'm on the list to receive one at the discounted price I may just pick one up.
Title: Re: AcuRite Access??
Post by: DoctorKnow on December 15, 2017, 08:42:21 AM
I'm in a brick house, 4 walls deep from the outside, and 60 ft from the tower sensor, and about 35 ft from the 5in1, which I have temporarily mounted and low to the ground. I have 4 bars. I never had 4 bars consistently with the smarthub, I always had 2 & 3. I didn't even try moving it around the desk which it sits on about 4 ft off the floor. All I did was rotate it, but mainly what I was concerned with was keeping it in place on the desk and it not falling down, and I still had high results. I've never seen a gap from Wunderground.
Title: Re: AcuRite Access??
Post by: daman on December 15, 2017, 09:32:46 AM
I wonder why they didn't opt for a external antenna on the access? You would think reception would be greatly improved with that set up.
Title: Re: AcuRite Access??
Post by: Glenn on December 15, 2017, 10:04:00 AM
I may give this a shot if I can get on the pre-buy list. My current hub for my CT station has dropped twice yesterday and once last weekend. I can't figure out the reason. It does this from time to time, then it's fine for weeks, then it'll happen again out of the blue. Hoping the newer unit will yield a stronger connection.
Title: Re: AcuRite Access??
Post by: DoctorKnow on December 15, 2017, 04:17:34 PM
Aren't there any other testers of the Access that would like to discuss their experience? I feel like I may be missing something.

One thing that I haven't heard any comments is on the page you pull up thru your router number. (Diagnostic page)

My elevation is on "0" - Should this be changed?

Then I have this nice information that is easy to read...

Code: [Select]
Sensor List:PRESSURE: 29.87 Inch
SIGNAL:433MHZ
 # Type     
Id     
Last Time (UTC)      Signal   
        Battery


 0tower
00010975
2017-12-15T21:14:51     
                              4Normal


 1









 25N1
00001133
2017-12-15T21:14:48      4Normal


l
Title: Re: AcuRite Access??
Post by: nincehelser on December 16, 2017, 02:16:40 AM
Aren't there any other testers of the Access that would like to discuss their experience? I feel like I may be missing something.

One thing that I haven't heard any comments is on the page you pull up thru your router number. (Diagnostic page)

My elevation is on "0" - Should this be changed?

Then I have this nice information that is easy to read...

Code: [Select]
Sensor List:PRESSURE: 29.87 Inch
SIGNAL:433MHZ
 # Type     
Id     
Last Time (UTC)      Signal   
        Battery


 0tower
00010975
2017-12-15T21:14:51     
                              4Normal


 1









 25N1
00001133
2017-12-15T21:14:48      4Normal


l

I assume there are, but I don't think Acurite provides any sort of list.  We just have to sort of find ourselves and somehow self-identify.

Another thing is there just isn't a whole lot to talk about regarding the Access, unless you want to get into the gory technical details.  As far as a more "normal" user is concerned, you run out of features to talk about pretty quick, and thus some may not feel like posting unless they have something unusual to add.

If your elevation is listed as "0", that means you're set up for sending station pressure (absolute) rather than adjusted pressure (altimeter) to myAcurite and wunderground.

If you go into your device setup in myAcurite and switch to adjusted pressure, it will reprogram your Access (or SmartHUB) to reflect your elevation (based on your address) and change your pressure to an altimeter reading.

Because of changes in the protocol that the Access is using, these changes will probably take more time than they would than on the SmartHUB.  I can't remember what time Acurite is suggesting your wait...maybe 1/2 hour... before getting concerned that something went wrong.  I'd think when I changed mine, it took about 15 to 20 minutes.
Title: Re: AcuRite Access??
Post by: nincehelser on December 16, 2017, 02:25:41 AM
I wonder why they didn't opt for a external antenna on the access? You would think reception would be greatly improved with that set up.

I seem to remember that the FCC frowns upon letting the user change antennas on these sorts of devices, even if they are receive-only.

From a more technical standpoint, changing the antenna can be a bit tricky.  If you have too much gain, you risk swamping the ithe radio chip with noise.  I think this is discussed in the MICRF211 data sheet somewhere.

Title: Re: AcuRite Access??
Post by: SufferinSuccotash on December 16, 2017, 06:39:15 AM

I'm sure there are others here.


So far the reception qualities for mine is all 4's!
I have the Hub running by it and the reception on it are 3's and a 2!  The Hub signal strength is variable though.. sometimes all 4's, but the Access never varied from 4.


Signal strength does not seem to change with movement 6 feet either way.


I am in an older dwelling with plaster and lath and stucco outside.   So there is a wire mesh in some of the wall... doesn't seem to affect the signal.  For that matter it did not seem to affect the strength if I moved the unit till line of sight was through a glass pane window ( a reasonably large one to be exact). 


Battery backup works as stated... able to transmit at least 20 min of older saved readings.


Other than that there is not much to add.


We will see if Boris will incorporate this into the meteobridge list of compatible sensors.







Aren't there any other testers of the Access that would like to discuss their experience? I feel like I may be missing something.

One thing that I haven't heard any comments is on the page you pull up thru your router number. (Diagnostic page)

My elevation is on "0" - Should this be changed?

Then I have this nice information that is easy to read...

Code: [Select]
Sensor List:PRESSURE: 29.87 Inch
SIGNAL:433MHZ
 # Type     
Id     
Last Time (UTC)      Signal   
        Battery


 0tower
00010975
2017-12-15T21:14:51     
                              4Normal


 1









 25N1
00001133
2017-12-15T21:14:48      4Normal


l
Title: Re: AcuRite Access??
Post by: daman on December 16, 2017, 08:05:30 AM
I wonder why they didn't opt for a external antenna on the access? You would think reception would be greatly improved with that set up.

I seem to remember that the FCC frowns upon letting the user change antennas on these sorts of devices, even if they are receive-only.

From a more technical standpoint, changing the antenna can be a bit tricky.  If you have too much gain, you risk swamping the ithe radio chip with noise.  I think this is discussed in the MICRF211 data sheet somewhere.
it just seems like it would be a simple concept and AcuRite could get it right because they have it on their new HD display without issues so I was just confused why they wouldn't have went that route for the access being its receive only.

Anyway thanks George
Title: Re: AcuRite Access??
Post by: nincehelser on December 16, 2017, 08:11:36 AM
I wonder why they didn't opt for a external antenna on the access? You would think reception would be greatly improved with that set up.

I seem to remember that the FCC frowns upon letting the user change antennas on these sorts of devices, even if they are receive-only.

From a more technical standpoint, changing the antenna can be a bit tricky.  If you have too much gain, you risk swamping the ithe radio chip with noise.  I think this is discussed in the MICRF211 data sheet somewhere.
it just seems like it would be a simple concept and AcuRite could get it right because they have it on their new HD display without issues so I was just confused why they wouldn't have went that route for the access being its receive only.

Anyway thanks George

Oh, I thought you meant a replaceable external antenna.

If you're just talking about the existing antenna, there would be no difference if it is external.  The plastic chassis is transparent to radio waves.  The HD display, however, is not completely transparent as the display panel itself can block the signal, thus the option to fold out the antenna if necessary for better reception.
Title: Re: AcuRite Access??
Post by: daman on December 16, 2017, 08:30:41 AM
I wonder why they didn't opt for a external antenna on the access? You would think reception would be greatly improved with that set up.

I seem to remember that the FCC frowns upon letting the user change antennas on these sorts of devices, even if they are receive-only.

From a more technical standpoint, changing the antenna can be a bit tricky.  If you have too much gain, you risk swamping the ithe radio chip with noise.  I think this is discussed in the MICRF211 data sheet somewhere.
it just seems like it would be a simple concept and AcuRite could get it right because they have it on their new HD display without issues so I was just confused why they wouldn't have went that route for the access being its receive only.

Anyway thanks George

Oh, I thought you meant a replaceable external antenna.

If you're just talking about the existing antenna, there would be no difference if it is external.  The plastic chassis is transparent to radio waves.  The HD display, however, is not completely transparent as the display panel itself can block the signal, thus the option to fold out the antenna if necessary for better reception.
I see ok.
Title: Re: AcuRite Access??
Post by: DoctorKnow on December 16, 2017, 09:15:56 AM
Anyone know why so many seem to be having no signal with their smarthub over at the acurite forums? I don't have mine plugged in since I have the access, so I don't know if I would be having a problem or not? Should I plug it in?
Title: Re: AcuRite Access??
Post by: worachj on December 16, 2017, 09:16:46 AM
Great helpful input from everybody.

On signal strength, the bar readings are helpful, but are they really equivalent comparisons of which one is better. It works or it doesnít work comparisons (Access vs SmartHub) are more helpful to me.
Title: Re: AcuRite Access??
Post by: daman on December 16, 2017, 09:18:10 AM
Anyone know why so many seem to be having no signal with their smarthub over at the acurite forums? I don't have mine plugged in since I have the access, so I don't know if I would be having a problem or not? Should I plug it in?
No problem here all is fine with my hub.
Title: Re: AcuRite Access??
Post by: daman on December 16, 2017, 09:19:43 AM
Another question,

How easy was it to transition over from the hub to the access??
Title: Re: AcuRite Access??
Post by: worachj on December 16, 2017, 12:46:33 PM
How many sensors can simultaneously connect to the Access? The Amazon listing says 7, the SmartHub does 10.

Title: Re: AcuRite Access??
Post by: nincehelser on December 16, 2017, 06:08:06 PM
How many sensors can simultaneously connect to the Access? The Amazon listing says 7, the SmartHub does 10.

As far as I know it's still 10.  I've never heard of 7.  I can't see why it would go down with all the new resources in it.
Title: Re: AcuRite Access??
Post by: Brock on December 16, 2017, 07:25:11 PM
Any guesses whether the Access will be more likely to allow IFTTT integration?  That's something that has been sorely lacking and hasn't appeared to be of interest to AcuRite...
Title: Re: AcuRite Access??
Post by: alanb on December 16, 2017, 08:16:21 PM
...My elevation is on "0" - Should this be changed?
If your elevation is listed as "0", that means you're set up for sending station pressure (absolute) rather than adjusted pressure (altimeter) to myAcurite and wunderground.

If you go into your device setup in myAcurite and switch to adjusted pressure, it will reprogram your Access (or SmartHUB) to reflect your elevation (based on your address) and change your pressure to an altimeter reading.
I admit that I am a novice at this and using this forum to learn before I buy (still waiting for the release and reviews of Atlas Elite before I decide what to buy). That said, it is disappointing that AcuRite does not allow you to configure elevation.  When I look up the elevation of my home using the address, it is 833'. I am reasonably sure that is about 10' low even at the street. Then on top of that, my lot has a pretty steep grade up to my house, and I would mount the device on my upper level on a desk, so that would mean the elevation of the barometer sensor would be 15' to 20' higher than what the address would show. I know that is probably only a hundredth or two on the adjusted pressure, but it seems to me like Acurite could make a simple software enhancement to allow you to configure the exact elevation like other brands do.

At this point, I guess my plan would be to find and use an address that would be a closer match to the true elevation of the installed barometer, but I wonder if using an incorrect address would have some other undesirable effect.

Like I said, I am a novice and still learning, so I would be happy to be enlightened by more experienced folks about why it is unnecessary or a bad idea to have a specific configuration option for elevation.
Title: Re: AcuRite Access??
Post by: nincehelser on December 16, 2017, 08:40:23 PM
I admit that I am a novice at this and using this forum to learn before I buy (still waiting for the release and reviews of Atlas Elite before I decide what to buy). That said, it is disappointing that AcuRite does not allow you to configure elevation. 

You can manually configure your elevation.  They just put your elevation as per what your address shows as a starting point.  You can change it manually after that.
Title: Re: AcuRite Access??
Post by: alanb on December 16, 2017, 08:43:29 PM
Thanks for the clarification. That is good to know.
Title: Re: AcuRite Access??
Post by: CW2274 on December 16, 2017, 09:38:19 PM
...My elevation is on "0" - Should this be changed?

that would mean the elevation of the barometer sensor would be 15' to 20' higher than what the address would show. I know that is probably only a hundredth or two on the adjusted pressure
Yes, 10 ft of elevation is equivalent to 0.01 inches of Hg., at least for the altimeter. 
Title: Re: AcuRite Access??
Post by: nincehelser on January 03, 2018, 02:46:44 PM
The Access is available for ordering.

https://www.acurite.com/access-my-acurite-remote-monitoring.html

Discount codes are now being sent.  Looks like you have until March 31st to upgrade at the $40 price.
Title: Re: AcuRite Access??
Post by: Wrog on January 03, 2018, 03:31:57 PM
Per the product page:

AcuRite Access connects up to a total of seven (7) compatible AcuRite devices to My AcuRite.
Title: Re: AcuRite Access??
Post by: Catskin on January 03, 2018, 03:51:27 PM
I was worried I didn't get a discount code, I will not give up hope ...
Title: Re: AcuRite Access??
Post by: meadowsland on January 03, 2018, 04:23:34 PM
I was worried I didn't get a discount code, I will not give up hope ...

Did you reserve a pre-order?
Title: Re: AcuRite Access??
Post by: meadowsland on January 03, 2018, 04:23:51 PM
Per the product page:

AcuRite Access connects up to a total of seven (7) compatible AcuRite devices to My AcuRite.

Correct
Title: Re: AcuRite Access??
Post by: Catskin on January 03, 2018, 04:44:02 PM
I was worried I didn't get a discount code, I will not give up hope ...

Did you reserve a pre-order?

I did.
Title: Re: AcuRite Access??
Post by: Wrog on January 03, 2018, 04:46:44 PM
Per the product page:

AcuRite Access connects up to a total of seven (7) compatible AcuRite devices to My AcuRite.

Correct

Reply #49 addressed this and it was thought that it would support 10 compatible devices but it's actually only the 7 that is mentioned in the Amazon listing.
Title: Re: AcuRite Access??
Post by: tmoosetrax on January 03, 2018, 05:26:47 PM
If your still using the old 5 in 1 what are the benefits of upgrading to the acurite access ? The saving of data with battery back would be nice but not sure why needed. the only other thing would be if the atlas does not come with the Hub and you would need to purchase the Atlas and Acurite access to make it all work, better off buying now at a discount over the full price down the road. Other then that i guess im missing something.
Title: Re: AcuRite Access??
Post by: theslydog on January 03, 2018, 05:40:12 PM
I was worried I didn't get a discount code, I will not give up hope ...

Did you reserve a pre-order?

Yeah, I did.

It looks like the Acurite site has had a bit of a birthday as all the devices that had the old smart hub have had their pictures changed to include the new Access instead. There is also a pdf manual you can DL for the Access.

Also there is now a 'Coming Soon' for the AcuRite Atlas 7 and Atlas 8 and Elite on the front page.
Title: Re: AcuRite Access??
Post by: worachj on January 03, 2018, 06:11:16 PM
In my Email it says the code is basicly a $90 discount that can be used on any Access bundles!

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Thinking about upgrading to a new setup? This one-time, $90 discount code applies to any system that includes AcuRite Access. Shop AcuRite Access Bundles.

Access Bundles:
https://www.acurite.com/my-acurite/all-environment-systems.html?utm_source=Email&utm_medium=Email&utm_content=Bundles&utm_campaign=180103_Access (https://www.acurite.com/my-acurite/all-environment-systems.html?utm_source=Email&utm_medium=Email&utm_content=Bundles&utm_campaign=180103_Access)
Title: Re: AcuRite Access??
Post by: meadowsland on January 03, 2018, 06:57:01 PM
I was worried I didn't get a discount code, I will not give up hope ...

Did you reserve a pre-order?

Yeah, I did.



It looks like the Acurite site has had a bit of a birthday as all the devices that had the old smart hub have had their pictures changed to include the new Access instead. There is also a pdf manual you can DL for the Access.

Also there is now a 'Coming Soon' for the AcuRite Atlas 7 and Atlas 8 and Elite on the front page.

Did you get a email today?  If not, PM me your info and I can look into it
Title: Re: AcuRite Access??
Post by: BeaverMeadow on January 03, 2018, 08:13:26 PM
If your still using the old 5 in 1 what are the benefits of upgrading to the acurite access ? The saving of data with battery back would be nice but not sure why needed. the only other thing would be if the atlas does not come with the Hub and you would need to purchase the Atlas and Acurite access to make it all work, better off buying now at a discount over the full price down the road. Other then that i guess im missing something.

Exactly. And typically when packages are bundled together there is usually a significant monetary saving as opposed to purchasing the parts individually so I too am wondering if this deal is really as great as it is being touted. Unless I'm also missing something.*

*For instance, will the Access be able to send lightning data to the MyAcurite website or to Weather Underground from the AcuRite 06045M Lightning Detector Sensor?
Title: Re: AcuRite Access??
Post by: daman on January 03, 2018, 08:19:15 PM
Got mine today!  :grin:
Title: Re: AcuRite Access??
Post by: nincehelser on January 03, 2018, 08:21:32 PM
*For instance, will the Access be able to send lightning data to the MyAcurite website or to Weather Underground from the AcuRite 06045M Lightning Detector Sensor?

Does wunderground accept lighting data?

As tested, the Access doesn't collect data from the $20 lightning sensor.  I can't imagine why it wouldn't in the future, though.
Title: Re: AcuRite Access??
Post by: daman on January 03, 2018, 08:42:51 PM
Well I see or what I don't see I should say is the old hub on the web site, looks like they completely removed it? must be no longer offering it, stopped sales? they do have a listing for the old hub but when I click on it the new access pops up.

https://www.acurite.com/catalogsearch/result/?q=hub
Title: Re: AcuRite Access??
Post by: A1cntrler on January 03, 2018, 08:44:40 PM
*For instance, will the Access be able to send lightning data to the MyAcurite website or to Weather Underground from the AcuRite 06045M Lightning Detector Sensor?

Does wunderground accept lighting data?

As tested, the Access doesn't collect data from the $20 lightning sensor.  I can't imagine why it wouldn't in the future, though.

I asked about other data the Atlas collects (UV and solar radiation) being displayed on WU during the beta period.  My brother has an Ambient station that collects and displays that data on WU.  Acurite told me it was up to WU to decide if it wanted that data or not, so I guess the ball is in WU's court for the Lightning Detector and the other Atlas sensors.  WU is always real responsive  ](*,) ](*,) ](*,)
Title: Re: AcuRite Access??
Post by: BeaverMeadow on January 03, 2018, 08:45:15 PM
*For instance, will the Access be able to send lightning data to the MyAcurite website or to Weather Underground from the AcuRite 06045M Lightning Detector Sensor?

Does wunderground accept lighting data?

As tested, the Access doesn't collect data from the $20 lightning sensor.  I can't imagine why it wouldn't in the future, though.

Well, the smarthub doesn't. Only the 06058M display does afaik. Is the MyAcurite website going to be modified to display and record lightning data via the Access? This would be a selling point for 5 and 1 owners with the lightning sensor to upgrade to the Access.
Title: Re: AcuRite Access??
Post by: nincehelser on January 03, 2018, 08:47:20 PM
Well I see or what I don't see I should say is the old hub on the web site, looks like they completely removed it? must be no longer offering it, stopped sales? they do have a listing for the old hub but when I click on it the new access pops up.

https://www.acurite.com/catalogsearch/result/?q=hub

I see no reason that they'd want to push sales of the old SmartHUB anymore.  I suspect they might have kept some on-hand for warranty replacements, or some might still be in the supply chain.  Other than that, you might as well go with the Access... that's the future as far as new features are concerned.

Heck at $40, there little reason not to switch.  Remember the SmartHUB hardware was on the market for 7 or so years.... it's about time for a technology refresh.
Title: Re: AcuRite Access??
Post by: daman on January 03, 2018, 08:50:00 PM
Well I see or what I don't see I should say is the old hub on the web site, looks like they completely removed it? must be no longer offering it, stopped sales? they do have a listing for the old hub but when I click on it the new access pops up.

https://www.acurite.com/catalogsearch/result/?q=hub

I see no reason that they'd want to push sales of the old SmartHUB anymore.  I suspect they might have kept some on-hand for warranty replacements, or some might still be in the supply chain.  Other than that, you might as well go with the Access... that's the future as far as new features are concerned.

Heck at $40, there little reason not to switch.  Remember the SmartHUB hardware was on the market for 7 or so years.... it's about time for a technology refresh.
Oh right yup that's what I was thinking they must have a lot on hand still
Title: Re: AcuRite Access??
Post by: nincehelser on January 03, 2018, 08:51:48 PM
Well, the smarthub doesn't. Only the 06058M display does afaik. Is the MyAcurite website going to be modified to display and record lightning data via the Access? This would be a selling point for 5 and 1 owners with the lightning sensor to upgrade to the Access.

The myAcurite site has been updated to display lightning data for the Atlas.  I'd imagine this could also be used for the $20 lightning sensor.  That was likely a reason the SmartHUB wasn't upgraded for the $20 sensor... the myAcurite display of the lightning data was still in development.  Then with the whole "horror" of updating the SmartHUB hardware for myAcurite, upgrading the firmware again for the $20 sensor just fell through the cracks.
Title: Re: AcuRite Access??
Post by: theslydog on January 04, 2018, 12:48:23 AM
Well I see or what I don't see I should say is the old hub on the web site, looks like they completely removed it? must be no longer offering it, stopped sales? they do have a listing for the old hub but when I click on it the new access pops up.

https://www.acurite.com/catalogsearch/result/?q=hub

You can still buy the old smart hub on Amazon.
https://www.amazon.com/AcuRite-09150-smartHUB-Remote-Monitoring/dp/B00T5U1JRE
Title: Re: AcuRite Access??
Post by: DoctorKnow on January 04, 2018, 09:11:11 AM
Go with the access. It uploads faster than 36 secs.
Title: Re: AcuRite Access??
Post by: vreihen on January 04, 2018, 09:29:44 AM
Go with the access. It uploads faster than 36 secs.

How useful is that for 5-in-1 owners when their unit only sends packets every 36 seconds?????  :-|
Title: Re: AcuRite Access??
Post by: nincehelser on January 04, 2018, 09:30:01 AM
Go with the access. It uploads faster than 36 secs.

That's because the Atlas has a shorter reporting interval.  I'm pretty sure the 5n1 will still rapid-fire to wunderground at 36 seconds as that's how long it takes to get a complete set of data from the sensor.

Someone might have to test that to confirm, but it's a pain as you can only have one sensor reporting to wunderground per device (an Access or SmartHUB).
Title: Re: AcuRite Access??
Post by: DoctorKnow on January 04, 2018, 09:40:56 AM
I changed sensors to 5n1 the other day, and it uploaded to Wunder at about 20 secs.
Title: Re: AcuRite Access??
Post by: tnelson on January 04, 2018, 12:06:15 PM
Soooo... Does anyone else think the end date (March 31, 2018) of $90 discount on any package that contains an Access indicates when the Atlas line becomes available? I can't imagine Acurite providing a $90 discount on a few of the Atlas offerings when it first becomes available.

Tom
Title: Re: AcuRite Access??
Post by: Glenn on January 05, 2018, 08:51:30 AM
Anyone know when the e-mails went out? I signed up through the link posted here....nothing as of yet.
Title: Re: AcuRite Access??
Post by: nincehelser on January 05, 2018, 09:05:26 AM
Anyone know when the e-mails went out? I signed up through the link posted here....nothing as of yet.

Wednesday afternoon.  You might want to check your SPAM folder just in case.
Title: Re: AcuRite Access??
Post by: Glenn on January 05, 2018, 01:04:57 PM
Anyone know when the e-mails went out? I signed up through the link posted here....nothing as of yet.

Wednesday afternoon.  You might want to check your SPAM folder just in case.

Thanks! I did and no luck. Maybe I'll sign up again. Does anyone have the link?
Title: Re: AcuRite Access??
Post by: worachj on January 05, 2018, 03:34:52 PM
Thanks! I did and no luck. Maybe I'll sign up again. Does anyone have the link?


Quote
The Upgrade Reservation period has ended. You can order your AcuRite Access today here
https://www.acurite.com/access-invitation
Title: Re: AcuRite Access??
Post by: alanb on January 05, 2018, 04:47:57 PM
This was posted over on the Acurite company forum by " AcuRite Rachell, Employee " about an hour ago:

Hello All,

If you currently have a smartHUB that is transmitting to My AcuRite and you did not receive an email please contact our AcuRite Loyalty Team at 262-203-5667. We will be open until 7PM CST today and 8AM-4PM tomorrow, Saturday to help with the busy overflow.
Title: Re: AcuRite Access??
Post by: okieman98 on January 06, 2018, 12:43:50 AM
got my email and ordered mine on the 3rd. if this only handles 7 , does that mean the 5-1 takes 5 of those spots, and u only can add 2 more sensors. i notice the other day that my lighting detector no longer shows up on my acurite to add a device, but i know its working because i can see it on my monitor, also i was going to order a new one but there was a lot of stuff out of stock on there web site . when i called to check on my order i ask them when was the atlas coming out, the lady kind of huffed a little bit and said they still dont have a release date and when it comes out that it would be a 2 week pre order on there web site before it was released, guess she tired of getting ask the question lol
Title: Re: AcuRite Access??
Post by: daman on January 06, 2018, 12:46:45 AM
got my email and ordered mine on the 3rd. if this only handles 7 , does that mean the 5-1 takes 5 of those spots, and u only can add 2 more sensors. i notice the other day that my lighting detector no longer shows up on my acurite to add a device, but i know its working because i can see it on my monitor, also i was going to order a new one but there was a lot of stuff out of stock on there web site . when i called to check on my order i ask them when was the atlas coming out, the lady kind of huffed a little bit and said they still dont have a release date and when it comes out that it would be a 2 week pre order on there web site before it was released, guess she tired of getting ask the question lol
No,

the 5n1 is 1 sensor, you'll have 6 more spots available.
Title: Re: AcuRite Access??
Post by: okieman98 on January 06, 2018, 12:56:20 AM
ok that is good then i am ok  thanks
Title: Re: AcuRite Access??
Post by: daman on January 06, 2018, 01:01:04 AM
There so jammed up with orders right now getting anything quick is going to be hard to do, I'm not ordering my new Access for a month or so let the dust settle some plus my old hub is still working great!  :grin: 
Title: Re: AcuRite Access??
Post by: tmoosetrax on January 06, 2018, 07:46:24 AM
Daman thats not really true I ordered the other night and called the next morning to try to change my order and the Unit was already packed and placed for delivery. Unit is already in Transit to me.
Title: Re: AcuRite Access??
Post by: daman on January 06, 2018, 09:44:01 AM
Daman thats not really true I ordered the other night and called the next morning to try to change my order and the Unit was already packed and placed for delivery. Unit is already in Transit to me.
Great maybe things picked up some from what I been reading.
Title: Re: AcuRite Access??
Post by: Glenn on January 06, 2018, 10:05:47 AM
Thank you for the link and posting the info on customer support/phone number!  =D>
Title: Re: AcuRite Access??
Post by: Weatherdude24 on January 07, 2018, 07:03:55 PM
Man I wonder if they will let me return my smartHUB I just got last week for a access?
Title: Re: AcuRite Access??
Post by: daman on January 07, 2018, 07:12:32 PM
Contact them see what they say.
Title: Re: AcuRite Access??
Post by: alanb on January 07, 2018, 07:56:29 PM
I suspect they will offer to make an exchange for a fair price if you approach them in a reasonable manner. I personally would have little respect for a company that didn't offer to help someone in your situation, and I will be surprised if they don't make it right with you. Please let us know, as I am still waiting until the Atlas products are available before I decide what to purchase for my first weather station. How Acurite treats you will be a factor in my decision of what to buy.
Title: Re: AcuRite Access??
Post by: Weatherdude24 on January 07, 2018, 08:02:04 PM
I suspect they will offer to make an exchange if you approach them in a reasonable manner. I personally would have little respect for a company that didn't offer to help someone in your situation, and I will be surprised if they don't make it right with you. Please let us know, as I am still waiting until the Atlas products are available before I decide what to purchase for my first weather station. How Acurite treats you will make a difference in my decision of what to buy.

Yeah I order the 5 and 1 package with the HD display they had for xmas deal. I just hope they don't want me return the whole package
Title: Re: AcuRite Access??
Post by: alanb on January 07, 2018, 08:10:17 PM
You do need to understand that you purchased a discontinued product at closeout prices. But it seems to me that Acurite could offer a similar deal to you that they have to their other customers for discount pricing to replace the Smarthub with Access. I will be interested to hear what they will do for you.
Title: Re: AcuRite Access??
Post by: Glenn on January 08, 2018, 04:21:40 PM
I called Acurite today and was able to get through to customer service.  She mentioned that due to the number of responses, they were sending out another batch of e-mails for those that signed up for the deal on the Access. The rep then looked up my account and confirmed I have two hubs. I was able to complete the order over the phone. Just a tick under $80 for two and shipped for free. Beats paying $120+ each! That's quite a savings.
Title: Re: AcuRite Access??
Post by: alanb on January 08, 2018, 04:47:42 PM
Sounds like Acurite is taking the "high road" on this in supporting their customers ... good to know.
Title: Re: AcuRite Access??
Post by: thomas on January 08, 2018, 07:47:46 PM
FYI, Placed my order for the access  thur and it arrived today.
Title: Re: AcuRite Access??
Post by: pcjunky on January 15, 2018, 01:04:12 PM
The big thing I've noticed is that the Access sends out a fraction of the data the SmartHub sent to MyAcurite.  Acurite is going to save a lot of money on server bandwidth.

I've got 13 sensors with only 7 logged at once to MyAcurite.  The SmartHub used to rank 2 or 3 in net traffic on my router.   Now it's not even in the top 10.  The only issue I have is that sometimes when I check my sensors with the MyAcurite app it will sometimes show red or yellow instead of green for the status of a sensor.  I'm not sure if it's because the data hasn't been updated recently or that the sensor had a poor signal and couldn't be read during the last update cycle.

I do like the new device info page for the Access.  I don't remeber how many sensors used to be listed on the SmartHub but I can see all my sensors now and check signal and battery status.

Title: Re: AcuRite Access??
Post by: nincehelser on January 15, 2018, 01:59:29 PM
The big thing I've noticed is that the Access sends out a fraction of the data the SmartHub sent to MyAcurite.  Acurite is going to save a lot of money on server bandwidth.

I've got 13 sensors with only 7 logged at once to MyAcurite.  The SmartHub used to rank 2 or 3 in net traffic on my router.   Now it's not even in the top 10.  The only issue I have is that sometimes when I check my sensors with the MyAcurite app it will sometimes show red or yellow instead of green for the status of a sensor.  I'm not sure if it's because the data hasn't been updated recently or that the sensor had a poor signal and couldn't be read during the last update cycle.

I do like the new device info page for the Access.  I don't remeber how many sensors used to be listed on the SmartHub but I can see all my sensors now and check signal and battery status.

Instead of sending all traffic to myAcurite, the Access sends sensor data to myAcurite in 5-minute intervals bundled as a group.  It's also encrypted.

Wunderground traffic is still unencrypted and sent in real-time, though.

Title: Re: AcuRite Access??
Post by: Catskin on January 15, 2018, 08:49:12 PM
FYI, Placed my order for the access  thur and it arrived today.

you were lucky, mine was placed on the 5th and it still has not shipped as of the 15th.

Title: Re: AcuRite Access??
Post by: Glenn on January 16, 2018, 08:04:29 PM
Mine came today! Fairly easy setup on MyAcurite. Did you guys just unplug your SmartHub and run the access? Did you remove the hub from your MyAcurite account?
Title: Re: AcuRite Access??
Post by: Catskin on January 16, 2018, 08:53:21 PM
My order just shipped today (1/16).  Should be here maybe on the 22nd.

Title: Re: AcuRite Access??
Post by: Glenn on January 18, 2018, 01:17:39 PM
Mine came today! Fairly easy setup on MyAcurite. Did you guys just unplug your SmartHub and run the access? Did you remove the hub from your MyAcurite account?

I have two stations in two different locations with two MyAcurite accounts. So things get a little tricky.

Basically, I had to remove my SmartHub from that location's account and then have the Access labeled as the station that was reporting out to WU by assigning the WU station ID. Took me a few tries to figure everything out. Hope this helps.