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Title: Weatherlink.com 2.0 announced
Post by: johnd on November 27, 2017, 04:54:54 PM
WL.com v2 should start to go live as from tomorrow. If you're about to fire up a new Connect or IP logger registration it might be in your interest to hold off doing so until Wednesday to be sure of registering on the new service (assuming things go to plan of course). This doesn't apply to existing users who will be migrated over the coming months.

I've written a quick blog post (http://www.weatherstations.co.uk/weatherlink-com-2-0.htm) for UK users.
Title: Re: Weatherlink.com 2.0 announced
Post by: PaulMy on November 27, 2017, 05:11:52 PM
Thanks John for the update, and your blog is excellent.  One question?
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Free weatherlink.com 2.0 accounts can be created by any user with an email address via the Signup button at weatherlink.com (http://www.weatherlink.com) and before even owning a Davis station. Owning a free account will be mandatory to view data on browser or smartphone app;
I presume this applies only to existing weatherlink.com users - i.e. users free with weatherlinkIP or other WL users who have a paid subscription to weatherlink.com.  Is that correct?

Enjoy,
Paul
Title: Re: Weatherlink.com 2.0 announced
Post by: johnd on November 27, 2017, 05:37:03 PM
I presume this applies only to existing weatherlink.com users - i.e. users free with weatherlinkIP or other WL users who have a paid prescription to weatherlink.com.  Is that correct?

Remember this is going to happen in two phases:

Phase I: New registrants to wl.com will see v2, but existing users will continue as is;

Phase II: Existing users will be migrated across to v2 by June 2018, maybe sooner;

This is reasonably sensible and understandable I think. Accommodating only new users to start with will allow numbers to slowly build up and Davis can judge server loads etc etc. And the migration process possibly isn't totally finished and tested as yet; and even when it is, it's still probably prudent to move existing users across in batches.

One of the things that's not 100% clear as yet (to me at least) is how (local) Weatherlink users who don't currently upload to wl.com can start to take advantage of their new apparently free access to wl.com Basic. There's a small process to be explained hereabout exactly how this will work and maybe it won't happen for a bit yet, but once that's done then I've not seen anything to suggest that everyone running local WL won't be able to upload for free to wl.com, at least within the limitations of the Basic plan.

These details might become clearer later in the week.
Title: Re: Weatherlink.com 2.0 announced
Post by: MonumentHillWeather on November 27, 2017, 06:20:51 PM
Thanks for the heads up John. I have had my Davis VP2 for about 4 years now and just recently considered beginning to upload to weatherlink.com, so knowing this info now, I will wait and see what comes about over the coming weeks.

   - Matt
Title: Re: Weatherlink.com 2.0 announced
Post by: Old Tele man on November 27, 2017, 07:51:19 PM
JohnD -- Does this change (eventually) mean that PC-based systems are headed for elimination and phone-based systems have become the "darlings"?
Title: Re: Weatherlink.com 2.0 announced
Post by: johnd on November 28, 2017, 03:57:24 AM
JohnD -- Does this change (eventually) mean that PC-based systems are headed for elimination and phone-based systems have become the "darlings"?

To some extent that's a philosophical question, isn't it? But my purely personal view would probably comprise 3 parts:

1. You're always going to need some mechanism to upload data locally into the cloud. That can currently be an IP logger, a Connect cellular modem or a standalone computer running software. In the future very possibly this functionality could be built into a receiver/console unit (with or without its own display) and using eg WiFi. But a phone is never going to manage the uploads AFAICS.

2. Processing & storing the data could move almost completely into the cloud, so there's no need for a PC to fill this role. There'll still be resistance from some users to handing over responsibility completely to the cloud so I'd expect the option of using a local PC will remain as an alternative for some time to come.

3. One of the things about modern browser applications is that they can be run on any device that has enough processing power and a decent screen, PC, tablet or phone - the tablet may well be a very convenient device for reviewing weather data. For the foreseeable future I'd expect the browser and smartphone apps to be developed in parallel and people will use whichever device they prefer, maybe switching from one to the other as required. So a smartphone would be what you use out and about or eg if you just quickly want to check a temperature or rainfall or forecast. But for a more thorough review of recent weather then a larger screen is surely always going to be preferred.

So until someone finds a way of building a larger screen and a better keyboard into a phone then both browser & smartphone apps will have their part to play. But of course phone developments may well happen - phones with projectors built in aren't far away and maybe Siri/Alexa will get better and better and replace keyboards much more.

It's certainly possible to imagine a phone taking over the role of a primary console display - some phones must be pretty much the size of eg a Vue display, so why wouldn't you use a bright full-colour display that's (typically) always with you. And the phone is also likely to take over the role of a set-up device for hardware where needed. It's already the case that setting up the Davis EM gateways and nodes is done via a smartphone app and Bluetooth connection to the device.
Title: Re: Weatherlink.com 2.0 announced
Post by: Mattk on November 28, 2017, 04:27:57 AM
"The Cloud" rolls so well of the tongue but is nothing more than the next dictator of computing much like Microsoft and the way they will enforce updates, like who the hell do some of these organisations actually think they are, like as if people really need to be held by the hand but then it's not for the people's benefit is it? Had the displeasure yesterday of experiencing the "digital" version of explorer, honestly the world is going mad if this is the future 
Title: Re: Weatherlink.com 2.0 announced
Post by: Old Tele man on November 28, 2017, 11:53:00 AM
JohnD -- Does this change (eventually) mean that PC-based systems are headed for elimination and phone-based systems have become the "darlings"?

To some extent that's a philosophical question, isn't it? But my purely personal view would probably comprise 3 parts:

1. You're always going to need some mechanism to upload data locally into the cloud. That can currently be an IP logger, a Connect cellular modem or a standalone computer running software. In the future very possibly this functionality could be built into a receiver/console unit (with or without its own display) and using eg WiFi. But a phone is never going to manage the uploads AFAICS.

2. Processing & storing the data could move almost completely into the cloud, so there's no need for a PC to fill this role. There'll still be resistance from some users to handing over responsibility completely to the cloud so I'd expect the option of using a local PC will remain as an alternative for some time to come.

3. One of the things about modern browser applications is that they can be run on any device that has enough processing power and a decent screen, PC, tablet or phone - the tablet may well be a very convenient device for reviewing weather data. For the foreseeable future I'd expect the browser and smartphone apps to be developed in parallel and people will use whichever device they prefer, maybe switching from one to the other as required. So a smartphone would be what you use out and about or eg if you just quickly want to check a temperature or rainfall or forecast. But for a more thorough review of recent weather then a larger screen is surely always going to be preferred.

So until someone finds a way of building a larger screen and a better keyboard into a phone then both browser & smartphone apps will have their part to play. But of course phone developments may well happen - phones with projectors built in aren't far away and maybe Siri/Alexa will get better and better and replace keyboards much more.

It's certainly possible to imagine a phone taking over the role of a primary console display - some phones must be pretty much the size of eg a Vue display, so why wouldn't you use a bright full-colour display that's (typically) always with you. And the phone is also likely to take over the role of a set-up device for hardware where needed. It's already the case that setting up the Davis EM gateways and nodes is done via a smartphone app and Bluetooth connection to the device.
JohnD -- Thanks for the reply. You DID notice that I purposefully included "...(eventually)..." as my nod & wink toward the aspect that blue-sky guessing is probably appropriate...I hope...ie: "reading the tea-leaves" in the bottom of your/our coffee cups (wink,wink).

Title: Re: Weatherlink.com 2.0 announced
Post by: jgentry on November 28, 2017, 11:09:11 PM
WL.com v2 should start to go live as from tomorrow. If you're about to fire up a new Connect or IP logger registration it might be in your interest to hold off doing so until Wednesday to be sure of registering on the new service (assuming things go to plan of course). This doesn't apply to existing users who will be migrated over the coming months.

I've written a quick blog post (http://www.weatherstations.co.uk/weatherlink-com-2-0.htm) for UK users.

I saw a hourly forecast on the new WeatherLink website and I’m curious to know if it’s generated by the weather station itself or is it coming from the NWS, WeatherUnderground, etc.?
Title: Re: Weatherlink.com 2.0 announced
Post by: Mattk on November 29, 2017, 12:01:05 AM
WL.com v2 should start to go live as from tomorrow. If you're about to fire up a new Connect or IP logger registration it might be in your interest to hold off doing so until Wednesday to be sure of registering on the new service (assuming things go to plan of course). This doesn't apply to existing users who will be migrated over the coming months.

I've written a quick blog post (http://www.weatherstations.co.uk/weatherlink-com-2-0.htm) for UK users.

I saw a hourly forecast on the new WeatherLink website and I’m curious to know if it’s generated by the weather station itself or is it coming from the NWS, WeatherUnderground, etc.?

Davis VP2 family have a 12 hour built-in weather forecast capability based on recent/live data and other values, WeatherLink.com has the same capability. 
Title: Re: Weatherlink.com 2.0 announced
Post by: johnd on November 29, 2017, 04:01:35 AM
I saw a hourly forecast on the new WeatherLink website and I’m curious to know if it’s generated by the weather station itself or is it coming from the NWS, WeatherUnderground, etc.?

The 7-day forecast will certainly be sourced externally, but AFAIK the exact source has not been disclosed as yet.
Title: Re: Weatherlink.com 2.0 announced
Post by: miraculon on November 29, 2017, 08:29:45 AM
I tried to go to the new weatherlink.com and "sign up". It detected my username was already on the old system and said my station will be migrated, just as johnd indicated.

I clicked on the various WL stations on Davis' roof, but the old blue sky/cloud display came up. Are there any stations online with this yet? I was hoping that Davis would have a test station up and running on it. I know that it is premature to expect any stations from private individuals at this point.

Greg H.
Title: Re: Weatherlink.com 2.0 announced
Post by: johnd on November 29, 2017, 08:42:57 AM
I suspect that it's taking a few days to switch the system across and that features will appear in stages over the coming days. Certainly one drawback at present seems to be that the system is remembering too strongly what you might have been looking at on a previous browser access and it's more tricky than it ought to be to backtrack eg to a different station - hopefully this might get sorted out.

I really don't want to encourage anyone to create a lot of subsequently-unused logins but remember:

1. Anyone who wishes to view wl.com data in future will need their own login;
2. But you can get a free login irrespective of whether or not you have a signed-up station just by registering a new account with (a previously unused) email address and name;

Then if you go to weatherlink.com (just that) and sign in as a virgin user you'll be able to access the map and hence see the Bulletin data for all public stations. Remember also that this new wl.com2.0 covers both EM AND Vue/VP2 stations, so most of what's on the 2.0 map right now are the small number of EM stations that have been activated and are public. This will obviously change dramatically once the full migration gets under way next year.
Title: Re: Weatherlink.com 2.0 announced
Post by: Aardvark on November 29, 2017, 09:34:57 AM
I am using the Leuven template to get the data from what the IP  sends to the Davis site.   i wonder if  that will change or is it only that they have redone their site rather than their information our station is presenting.

Does anyone have the url of any site that has the new look to share?

Title: Re: Weatherlink.com 2.0 announced
Post by: johnd on November 29, 2017, 09:58:33 AM
I am using the Leuven template to get the data from what the IP  sends to the Davis site.   i wonder if  that will change or is it only that they have redone their site rather than their information our station is presenting.

It depends whether your template uses the XML or binary packet download or simply scrapes the HTML from the blue-sky page (latter unlikely I would have thought). It's not 100% clear as yet but I'm expecting that the binary API and very possibly also the XML API will continue as now, though this is to be confirmed. But any HTML scraping obviously cannot continue post-migration. But don't forget that nothing will change in any event until your site migrates next year at some point.

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Does anyone have the url of any site that has the new look to share?

As per my reply above, you will need to acquire a free login to the new site. Once you have that then you can see the data from Davis HQ.
Title: Re: Weatherlink.com 2.0 announced
Post by: wvdkuil on November 29, 2017, 10:14:23 AM
I am using the Leuven template to get the data from what the IP  sends to the Davis site.   i wonder if  that will change or is it only that they have redone their site rather than their information our station is presenting.

It depends whether your template uses the XML or binary packet download or simply scrapes the HTML from the blue-sky page (latter unlikely I would have thought). It's not 100% clear as yet but I'm expecting that the binary API and very possibly also the XML API will continue as now, though this is to be confirmed. But any HTML scraping obviously cannot continue post-migration. But don't forget that nothing will change in any event until your site migrates next year at some point.
Both Saratoga and Leuven use the documentend XML (with userid and password) to retrieve the stations data. As numerous other scripts do to populatie ones own website with the stationsdata.

As I read the posts the userid is replaced with the DID, but how for Weatherlink-PC users with an USB logger who obviously have no DID?

DAVIS is changing the ballgame rules without telling the players (script writers) what the new rules are.

Wim
Title: Re: Weatherlink.com 2.0 announced
Post by: johnd on November 29, 2017, 10:34:10 AM
Both Saratoga and Leuven use the documentend XML (with userid and password) to retrieve the stations data. As numerous other scripts do to populatie ones own website with the stationsdata.

As I read the posts the userid is replaced with the DID, but how for Weatherlink-PC users with an USB logger who obviously have no DID?

Users uploading from local WL do have a DID - it's assigned as part of the registration process.

OK, the API's may need a subtle change from station name to DID in the relevant parameter of the web download protocol for instance.
But hopefully the existing APIs will continue to be available, albeit in slightly updated forms, alongside a probable new API.

But any changes for existing stations are still several weeks if not months away. The migration is described as happening Q2 2018 but whether that's by Q2 (ie by April and potentially starting Jan/Feb) or starting Q2 (ie starting April) isn't clear yet, to me at least.

This move to 2.0 is a big change behind the scenes, in part involving a migration of 26000+ users, and then the split into Basic and Pro tiers etc. So I guess it's inevitable that some details will take a while to emerge. I'd like to think that in a week or two the sign-up process for new users will be clearly available, but then there will be other issues of how the upgrade from Basic to Pro is to be managed, let alone implementing the migration of existing users. So I can imagine that the APIs are not top priority right now.
Title: Re: Weatherlink.com 2.0 announced
Post by: Aardvark on November 29, 2017, 10:37:53 AM
I am guessing... that if there is a change and things do not work as it used to , I can always switch to either Weathercat or Weatherdisplay .  However,  I guess this will be one of those wait and see events.
Title: Re: Weatherlink.com 2.0 announced
Post by: Jáchym on November 29, 2017, 10:49:31 AM
I still dont understand why users are forced to use WL. Why can data not be sent to my own server.... When I see a service/product that relies completely on a third party, I try to avoid it. Just look at what WU did recently. You have absolutely no guarantee what will happen, when it will be discontinued, changed etc.
Title: Re: Weatherlink.com 2.0 announced
Post by: Aardvark on November 29, 2017, 11:00:25 AM
I still dont understand why users are forced to use WL. Why can data not be sent to my own server.... When I see a service/product that relies completely on a third party, I try to avoid it. Just look at what WU did recently. You have absolutely no guarantee what will happen, when it will be discontinued, changed etc.

this is true what you say, but I don't have my own server .  With Weather Underground getting rid of their webcam and WeatherLink updating their IP site these things happen.
Since Davisnet isn't going to upgrade their PC/Mac software, I am getting to believe that they are going for the IP site stuff as being the whole thing.    I mean I can  roll with the punches, do a site forwarding on my end and be happy.

Or I could start running Weathercat 24/7 and seeing how it does on this mac.  I did add max memory.  ;(
Title: Re: Weatherlink.com 2.0 announced
Post by: johnd on November 29, 2017, 11:03:25 AM
I still dont understand why users are forced to use WL. Why can data not be sent to my own server.... When I see a service/product that relies completely on a third party, I try to avoid it.

Not really sure what you're saying?? No-one is forced to use WL, if you prefer to use Cumulus/WD/WeatherCat etc then use them. If you want to upload data from local WL to another server or cloud platform then you can do that - you just have to construct a suitable text file template from the available weather tags.

And what third-party is involved here, well Amazon (as in AWS) I suppose, but I suspect that AWS is always going to have greater resilience than any standalone server I'm likely to run. But other than AWS as the cloud platform, it's an in-house Davis operation. Davis aren't going to let it go the way of WU - that would be suicide for them as makers of weather stations. Is it proprietary rather than open-access? Well, yes, but Davis are a business - if there are better options elsewhere then users will vote with their feet/wallets.
Title: Re: Weatherlink.com 2.0 announced
Post by: Jáchym on November 29, 2017, 11:24:00 AM
Hi John,
Im not saying this option shouldnt be there, but AFAIK or from what I was told, some Davis users can only send data to WL (assuming they dont want to have a PC on 24/7 and use an extra software). So my question then is, is it possible to send current conditions directly to some server (not wl.com), with no intermediate software?
Title: Re: Weatherlink.com 2.0 announced
Post by: johnd on November 29, 2017, 11:35:09 AM
Ah OK, you're talking specifically about WeatherlinkIP and not local WL on a PC? No you're right WLIP can only upload to wl.com.

But that's fairly unsurprising - WLIP is a relatively primitive device computationally. It's not really an SBC in any conventional sense and is a minimal configuration just to fulfill its own hard-coded role. But there's nothing to stop anyone using some other really cheap SBC like a Pi0W for instance attached to a USB logger and which I'm guess could run eg CumulusMX. Or Meteobridge is another obvious alternative. As I say, I don't find this surprising: for flexible, customisable uploads you surely need a standalone SBC running its own operating system and programs, which the IP logger is not.
Title: Re: Weatherlink.com 2.0 announced
Post by: Jáchym on November 29, 2017, 11:47:19 AM
John it doesnt matter how primitive it is. Just like it sends data to WL, it can send data elsewhere in the same format, it is a matter of changing the fixed built-in IP. You are right MB can do it, but we are talking about extra costs and about a product which more or less Davis wished never existed and probably hoped no-one will ever develop. Im 100% sure the idea was everyone will have to use WL. Then came Boris with his MB, which solves this, but at extra cost, even though technically you dont need it, it could be done by the existing HW.
Title: Re: Weatherlink.com 2.0 announced
Post by: johnd on November 29, 2017, 12:58:35 PM
Hmm Jáchym, I don't actually agree with much of that.

AIUI (which could be wrong, but I don't believe so) the code in WLIP uploads to a specified server and not to a fixed IP (ie it uses DNS). So at a minimum, a web interface would need to be added that allows a text URL to be entered, edited and, presumably, tested. Not a big deal, but it's still a substantial enhancement of what's there currently and for circuitry that I suspect runs on microcode not a higher level language. And it would inevitably increase support calls whenever new users couldn't get their preferred service to run at the first try.

And there certainly are areas where I think Davis could do better, but willingness to accept third-party add-ons is not one of them. For instance Davis are happy to publish a public API for their loggers, which some other manufacturers refuse to do. And there is a longish list of Davis 'Product Partners'.

I say again: If some wished to take a Raspberry Pi (or better still a Pi Zero) and write some equivalent but more flexible code to the IP logger for that then I don't think you'd find any objection from Davis. Sure, they'd prefer you to use wl.com but they won't try and stop you from providing an alternative. Why doesn't someone do this - it can't be difficult?
Title: Re: Weatherlink.com 2.0 announced
Post by: miraculon on November 29, 2017, 01:40:52 PM
I suspect that it's taking a few days to switch the system across and that features will appear in stages over the coming days. Certainly one drawback at present seems to be that the system is remembering too strongly what you might have been looking at on a previous browser access and it's more tricky than it ought to be to backtrack eg to a different station - hopefully this might get sorted out.

I really don't want to encourage anyone to create a lot of subsequently-unused logins but remember:

1. Anyone who wishes to view wl.com data in future will need their own login;
2. But you can get a free login irrespective of whether or not you have a signed-up station just by registering a new account with (a previously unused) email address and name;

Then if you go to weatherlink.com (just that) and sign in as a virgin user you'll be able to access the map and hence see the Bulletin data for all public stations. Remember also that this new wl.com2.0 covers both EM AND Vue/VP2 stations, so most of what's on the 2.0 map right now are the small number of EM stations that have been activated and are public. This will obviously change dramatically once the full migration gets under way next year.

Thanks, John. Worked great. At least I can get a little "test drive" on the new WL2.0.  \:D/

Greg H.

Title: Re: Weatherlink.com 2.0 announced
Post by: johnd on November 29, 2017, 02:29:41 PM
Worked great. At least I can get a little "test drive" on the new WL2.0.  \:D/

Sorry, I probably should have added to my post upthread that right now (don't know whether it might change in future) as a virgin user you get to see the weather at Davis HQ initially (the site that's titled 'Davis Instruments' if you subsequently want to go back to it). Thereafter you can pull up the map and see the Bulletin for other stations. But it's only the Davis Inst site that seems to have Chart and Data (but not Mobilize) available AFAICS - this is maybe being used as a more general demo site. In general Basic users can only see the Bulletin for other sites.

But OTOH you're looking at someone else's data and so it looks like the customisability features have been disabled, ie on your own dashboard you can show or omit different sensors, reorder them and also resize them (but only with the option of 2 or 3 sizes). But that's not apparently possible on this demo account.

Hmm, also it looks like - unsurprisingly - there's maintenance going on at present on the accounts - looks like some permissions to access different features are being changed.  So the above is subject to change!
Title: Re: Weatherlink.com 2.0 announced
Post by: johnd on November 29, 2017, 04:55:29 PM
Ok, we have another update - as half-expected.

The button on the weatherlink.com home page has morphed into 'Sign-up Free'. And now when you get you your own account home page there's an Add Device button up at the top right, one of whose options is 'Data logger' (meaning USB or serial logger) along with other options for IP logger, Connect and EM. Won't try this myself as we have other existing wl.com accounts. Maybe someone else can try it & comment (I'm guessing the add-device process generates a virtual DID and keycode?).
Title: Re: Weatherlink.com 2.0 announced
Post by: PaulMy on November 29, 2017, 05:39:43 PM
I signed up on the free sign up and got in to see the features, etc.

I don't run WL on my PC/USB full time and therefore presumably my data won't be available until I do, and upload to WL.com.  I haven't understood yet how that would be done.

Pages look quite nice.  I presume the locations indicated on the map are recent new signups and Davis test sites.  Quite a few shown but far from having all areas covered.

Thanks for your updates Johnd

Enjoy,
Paul
Title: Re: Weatherlink.com 2.0 announced
Post by: johnd on November 29, 2017, 05:46:02 PM
I presume the locations indicated on the map are recent new signups and Davis test sites.  Quite a few shown but far from having all areas covered.

Just to reiterate what I posted upthread, but which has got rather buried now: 'Remember also that this new wl.com2.0 covers both EM AND Vue/VP2 stations, so most of what's on the 2.0 map right now are the small number of EM stations that have been activated and are public.'

Other than Davis test stations, there won't have been any other Vue/VP2 stations until any new sign-ups from today on. 26,000 existing users will still be on the 1.0 map awaiting migration next year.
Title: Re: Weatherlink.com 2.0 announced
Post by: Mattk on November 29, 2017, 05:53:54 PM
The Add Device is essentially meaning add a new station ( as in logger) and is expecting that you have the logger (well in the case of a WLIP) and that you know the DID & Key, there appears nothing virtual. It is also cross matching and won't register existing registered loggers on the original site
Title: Re: Weatherlink.com 2.0 announced
Post by: johnd on November 29, 2017, 05:59:28 PM
The Add Device is essentially meaning add a new station ( as in logger) and is expecting that you have the logger (well in the case of a WLIP) and that you know the DID & Key, there appears nothing virtual. It is also cross matching and won't register existing registered loggers on the original site

If you go through the add-device process with a USB logger it will issue a virtual DID and code as expected - I've just checked. And no you can't jump an existing registration across to 2.0 - you need to await migration next year.
Title: Re: Weatherlink.com 2.0 announced
Post by: Mattk on November 29, 2017, 06:13:03 PM
The Add Device is essentially meaning add a new station ( as in logger) and is expecting that you have the logger (well in the case of a WLIP) and that you know the DID & Key, there appears nothing virtual. It is also cross matching and won't register existing registered loggers on the original site

If you go through the add-device process with a USB logger it will issue a virtual DID and code as expected - I've just checked. And no you can't jump an existing registration across to 2.0 - you need to await migration next year.

Not into USB loggers so didn't look at that one.

Immediate first thoughts are, it's a revenue stream and just maybe the Pro option can be activated by anybody, even if they don't have a station? This appears more about controlling the data at a price to not only the user but also others? Cloud systems can be a bit of a gotcha like this. I think there's a bit more to discover with this setup, things that may surprise some people?

I suppose some of us are just going to have to wait to see the whole picture as of all the WLIP's I have that go back to 2008, I don't have a spare that's not registered.   
Title: Re: Weatherlink.com 2.0 announced
Post by: PaulMy on November 29, 2017, 06:30:48 PM
Again thanks johnd.

Wow, no IP logger and no paid subscription but my data is shown (I stopped Cumulus and started WL). 
Bulletin data shows nicely, and looks like it comes from the computer's WL data files.  Mine currently is from Novemebr 16th to current.
Charts look good
Not yet showing on the map. Mine is now showing on the map!!!
Mobilize says No views available.

There is a Data Export feature...

In the setup it has the correct lat and lon, etc. and site location, name, timezone, but shows country as USA rather than Canada and haven't found yet where I can change that. After a few minutes was able to change it to the correct country!

Enjoy,
Paul

Further edit:
More features everytime I open and look at other screens:
Has a screen for Uploads to WU, Globe and CWQOP
Has email notification
Has sending Daily summary
Title: Re: Weatherlink.com 2.0 announced
Post by: Joel on November 29, 2017, 06:46:58 PM
If you go through the add-device process with a USB logger it will issue a virtual DID and code as expected - I've just checked. And no you can't jump an existing registration across to 2.0 - you need to await migration next year.

Thanks for all these informations

OK, I registered and I got virtual ID and KEY.
If I correctly understand, I need Weatherlink 6 ? 
I'm still running 5.9.3 because of possible compatibility issues with Virtual VP.   
Title: Re: Weatherlink.com 2.0 announced
Post by: Aardvark on November 29, 2017, 06:58:11 PM
and they have released the smartphone app for 2.0.   I downloaded and tried to access my station with my current information and it  wouldn't take it.  So  I am guessing that  when the migration happens, that information will change .   OR  the app isn't functioning yet.   and so is progress 
Title: Re: Weatherlink.com 2.0 announced
Post by: PaulMy on November 29, 2017, 07:08:13 PM
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I'm still running 5.9.3 because of possible compatibility issues with Virtual VP.   
I am running 6.0.2 and dropped VVP years ago due to constant failures with Windows 8 on my weather computer.  It would be nice to use it again so can run both Cumulus and WL but will not abandon Cumulus for WL for sure!

Enjoy,
Paul
Title: Re: Weatherlink.com 2.0 announced
Post by: Mattk on November 29, 2017, 07:56:39 PM
Wow, no IP logger and no paid subscription but my data is shown

Would this be the 30 day free Pro trial activation?
Title: Re: Weatherlink.com 2.0 announced
Post by: PaulMy on November 29, 2017, 08:03:08 PM
Not 100% sure but I think I selected the Basic.  Not at my weather computer at the moment.


Enjoy,
Paul
Title: Re: Weatherlink.com 2.0 announced
Post by: Aardvark on November 29, 2017, 09:25:25 PM
I am at the point of getting ready, just in case things go awry during the migration.

I have the weatherlink IP and I also have an Envoy with a usb logger.    I use the WL IP  to update my webpage (Leuven) because  when I go on trips that are several days, particularly in the summer,  I shut down my computer, but leave the modem up and running.   I figure that if the power goes out and the UPS drains  completely, upon power coming back on, the UPS comes up and the logger and modem are now working again.   Also, in the summer I do not have the air conditioning on.  the added room heat gets up around 85F and the modem will be fine.

So I am going to let things lump along.   However,  in the meantime,  I have configured WC to send the files to the weather28 /uploadWC file the things it needs to work.  IF IP goes tits up, then I will run WC as the source and modify  the Leuven template for my site.

What I have been doing is using WC to gather data . The data I put into Excel and then use the results to keep weather data.  I have been doing that for 20 years now. No one seems to care about the data, but I keep it anywhere and trends.

So  I guess I , like most, will just have to see where this goes. 
Title: Re: Weatherlink.com 2.0 announced
Post by: johnd on November 30, 2017, 02:56:53 AM
Bulletin data shows nicely, and looks like it comes from the computer's WL data files.  Mine currently is from Novemebr 16th to current.

No I think what's happening is that the first upload of archive data will upload everything that's currently in the logger (and dates will then obviously depend on what archive interval you have set) but doesn't touch the archive files. The ability to upload past data from archive files is a feature flagged for future introduction, but this will be a Pro feature. Basic users will be limited to 10240 records (ie 4x standard logger)

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Charts look good

Remember that Basic features are free to all (Bulletin/Map/mobile app) but others (Chart/Data/Mobilize) are Pro features, so they must have activated the 30-day free trial of Pro for new Basic sign-ups. I don't know as yet exactly which category things like WU uploads (Basic I'm guessing). daily summaries, alarms etc will appear in.

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In the setup it has the correct lat and lon, etc. and site location, name, timezone, but shows country as USA rather than Canada and haven't found yet where I can change that. After a few minutes was able to change it to the correct country!

Yes the initial sign-up screen is a little disconcerting for location when it just shows a close-up of San Francisco (maybe this will change), but I found that you can just enter a UK postcode and that's all that's needed to fully identify the location.
Title: Re: Weatherlink.com 2.0 announced
Post by: PaulMy on November 30, 2017, 10:38:50 AM
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No I think what's happening is that the first upload of archive data will upload everything that's currently in the logger (and dates will then obviously depend on what archive interval you have set) but doesn't touch the archive files. The ability to upload past data from archive files is a feature flagged for future introduction, but this will be a Pro feature. Basic users will be limited to 10240 records (ie 4x standard logger)
As I run Cumulus full time, I shut it down twice a month to run WL and keep the WL data up to date using 10 min logging interval.
The last previous time I had run WL was about 5:15 pm November 16th at which time I had 469 pages 92% to download and WL was then up to date.

Yesterday Nov 29 I ran WL at about 6:30 pm when I signed up for weatherlink.com.  The data on weatherlink.com then went back to November 16th 5:20 pm which was then the last time WL had read from the logger (but not going back to all the data that would be in the data logger as that should be around November 13th - 17 days).
As I was testing weatherlink.com yesterday and in WL occasionally downloading the weather station the weatherlink.com data updated at the 10 min interval.  I eventually shut down WL and ran Cumulus.

This morning, November 30 and still running Cumulus, weatherlink.com still only showed data to the time I shut down WL yesterday.
This morning I ran WL and downloaded 19 pages 4% from the data logger.  Weatherlink.com then showed all the data that was downloaded from the logger yesterday, going back to November 16, and up to current November 30.

So in my experience weatherlink.com initial data comes from the last previous download from weather station (data logger) date to current, and subsequent data added on from new data logger downloads.  Makes sense!

If the basic package limits to 10240 records then for 10 min interval that would be 71 days which would not be a replacement for alternate web data storage, but is a nice free feature to display one's local weather.

Enjoy,
Paul
Title: Re: Weatherlink.com 2.0 announced
Post by: jgentry on December 01, 2017, 08:49:53 PM
Maybe it’s just me but I’m not that impressed with the WeatherLink 2.0 iPhone app. There is not that many features on it, I think the Forecast is coming from Weather Underground (not only I think it’s a bad source, the forecast it shows is not very easy to interpret). You would think the app would give you notification options and maybe a widget but it does not.
Title: Re: Weatherlink.com 2.0 announced
Post by: Aardvark on December 01, 2017, 09:32:11 PM
I loaded it and there are some nearby stations that are already on initially or migrated.   I had to use a different username and password, but  I couldn't find my station.  I am guessing that it is on the 1.0 server and hasn't been migrated to the new one of yet.  Eh....
Title: Re: Weatherlink.com 2.0 announced
Post by: wvdkuil on December 05, 2017, 08:00:50 AM
Upload interval for 2.0  ???  once every hour

This is the question at the bottom of the page https://www.davisnet.com/weatherlink/
What Is The Update Frequency Of Weather Data To WeatherLink.Com 2.0?

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ANSWER: WeatherLink IP and USB-or-Serial Data Logger: You can set your reading interval to 1 min, 5 min, 10 min, 15 min, 30 min, 1 hour, or 2 hours. This data is uploaded to our server every hour (Example: WeatherLink IP with 15-min interval will send up data every hour with 4 sets of readings. While a 30-min interval will be sent every hour with 2 sets of readings.) You can set the interval in your console or your WeatherLink PC Software.
Vantage Connect and EnviroMonitor: Your data upload interval depends on your subscription plan — 5 min, 15 min, or 60 min.

As I understand this correctly, the data is only uploaded once every hour to WeatherLink.Com 2.0
Even if the "upload" interval is set at once / minute.

QUESTION:
The  current IP-loggers are not changed (yet), they want to upload every so many minutes.
Is a firmware update in the pipeline to change that frequency?

USABILITY:
To use the WeatherLink.Com 2.0 data on our own websites, the 1 hour not changing data is worthless.
We need current data at the old upload interval, which is often set to every 1 or 5 minutes.

So if they really upload to WeatherLink.Com 2.0 once / hour, there is no way we can continue to use the "stand-alone WL-IP  logger"  ($295 device)  as the sole source of our weather-data. We are forced to use a Meteobridge or PC to connect the logger and use a decent upload interval.

New users can then use a far less expensive USB-logger ($165) which offsets the extra Meteobridge costs.

Wim.
Title: Re: Weatherlink.com 2.0 announced
Post by: Jáchym on December 05, 2017, 08:27:57 AM
1 hour interval? Is that a joke?
Title: Re: Weatherlink.com 2.0 announced
Post by: Aardvark on December 05, 2017, 08:42:15 AM
1 hour interval? Is that a joke?
OMG  They sound just like WeatherUnderground with it came to the camera pictures from Bloomsky. They updated every hour or more.   Well,  I had better, when that time comes, get the template converted back to using weather cat.
Title: Re: Weatherlink.com 2.0 announced
Post by: Aardvark on December 05, 2017, 09:00:54 AM
I sent them an email this morning for clairification.     https://www.davisnet.com/resources/weather-monitoring/#support (https://www.davisnet.com/resources/weather-monitoring/#support)

I then read this "... This data is uploaded to our server every hour (Example: WeatherLink IP with 15-min interval will send up data every hour with 4 sets of readings. While a 30-min interval will be sent every hour with 2 sets of readings.).."   that would mean to me that it sends data every 15 minutes, with 4 sets in one hour  or the option of sending 2 sets every30 minutes."  what is it now.

Their API is due for Weatherlink 2.0  in February 2018.

Then they have this gem,  it seems the basic information  will be free and the graphs and things cost 3.95$US a month.   I guess the free lunch is a thing of the past


Are WeatherLink.com 2.0 features free?

    Yes. Bulletin and Map features are available to you for FREE.

    To access Chart, Data and Mobilize features, upgrade your account to Pro Tier for only $3.95/mo by clicking ‘UPGRADE PLAN’ button in the User Account dropdown menu.

    If you are an existing or a new Vantage Connect or EnviroMonitor user, you will get the Pro Tier access as a part of your regular monthly service fee.

    If you are an existing WeatherLink.com user with an active WeatherLink Network Annual Subscription (WeatherLink.com 1.0 “blue page” subscription), you will be prorated for the remaining duration of your subscription with an upgraded Pro Tier full of advanced features (Data, Chart, Mobilize).


Yup definitely am going to need to get Weathercat up and operational on my computer.  Might be time for reality to set in and get rid of my website,


Title: Re: Weatherlink.com 2.0 announced
Post by: Jáchym on December 05, 2017, 10:05:12 AM
Sales of the more and more outdated Davis Pro 2 probably going down.....
Title: Re: Weatherlink.com 2.0 announced
Post by: weatherc on December 05, 2017, 10:08:09 AM
I then read this "... This data is uploaded to our server every hour (Example: WeatherLink IP with 15-min interval will send up data every hour with 4 sets of readings. While a 30-min interval will be sent every hour with 2 sets of readings.).."   that would mean to me that it sends data every 15 minutes, with 4 sets in one hour  or the option of sending 2 sets every30 minutes."  what is it now.

To me that is it sends data once per hour. What a joke!
Title: Re: Weatherlink.com 2.0 announced
Post by: johnd on December 05, 2017, 10:21:17 AM
As I understand this correctly, the data is only uploaded once every hour to WeatherLink.Com 2.0

Where's the facepalm emoji gone? I think I need to use it several times over!

As far as I'm aware, nothing has changed in 2.0 re upload intervals from WLC1.0.

1. AFAICR it has always been the case since wl.com was introduced that archive data packets are uploaded hourly (except for Connect and EM where each data plan interval upload effectively becomes the archive packet).

2. 'Current conditions' data packets are something different for USB and IP loggers. I suspect that their format is similar to if not identical to LOOP packets, but AFAIK Davis haven't publicly disclosed their format. Not that it matters, because these packets are still uploaded every minute, with updates reflected in the Bulletin/dashboard presentation.

As I mentioned upthread, download of archive packets into local Weatherlink still works fine with 2.0 (even for EM stations amazingly enough, though with data restricted to ISS data for obvious reasons). But whether the XML API is still there I don't know - it never was part of the official API in the same way as web download, ie XML is not mentioned in the Serial Tech Ref document.

Edit: I've just checked a live site and the XML still does seem to be there, except obviously you need to use DID in place of user/station name as is the case for all 2.0 downloads.
Title: Re: Weatherlink.com 2.0 announced
Post by: Aardvark on December 05, 2017, 10:24:58 AM
I am going to sit back, wait and see what happens.   
Speculating isn't going to solve anything for me.  I do see that Weatherlink software isn't going to be updated.  Iuse that for selecting transcievers on the envoys.  So i am guessing that Davis is going to migrate their product line eventually to somehting more like their new stuff.
Title: Re: Weatherlink.com 2.0 announced
Post by: johnd on December 05, 2017, 10:29:09 AM
Speculating isn't going to solve anything for me.

What speculation? Pretty much everything is known now, other than the migration dates for existing WLC1.0 users and the final new 2.0 API format (there's only a provisional one as yet).
Title: Re: Weatherlink.com 2.0 announced
Post by: VaJim on December 05, 2017, 12:05:53 PM
I presume this applies only to existing weatherlink.com users - i.e. users free with weatherlinkIP or other WL users who have a paid prescription to weatherlink.com.  Is that correct?

Remember this is going to happen in two phases:

Phase I: New registrants to wl.com will see v2, but existing users will continue as is;

Phase II: Existing users will be migrated across to v2 by June 2018, maybe sooner;

This is reasonably sensible and understandable I think. Accommodating only new users to start with will allow numbers to slowly build up and Davis can judge server loads etc etc. And the migration process possibly isn't totally finished and tested as yet; and even when it is, it's still probably prudent to move existing users across in batches.

One of the things that's not 100% clear as yet (to me at least) is how (local) Weatherlink users who don't currently upload to wl.com can start to take advantage of their new apparently free access to wl.com Basic. There's a small process to be explained hereabout exactly how this will work and maybe it won't happen for a bit yet, but once that's done then I've not seen anything to suggest that everyone running local WL won't be able to upload for free to wl.com, at least within the limitations of the Basic plan.

These details might become clearer later in the week.


Is Davis planning on sending out an email to current users as to what to do and what not to do?
Title: Re: Weatherlink.com 2.0 announced
Post by: johnd on December 05, 2017, 12:21:06 PM
Is Davis planning on sending out an email to current users as to what to do and what not to do?

You'll need to ask Davis, but I'd guess that there'll be a Weather Club newsletter highlighting WLC2.0 circulated sometime soon.

But really there's not much new to learn or to know. Newly registered users will see the 2.0 site while existing users will need to await migration in a few months' time. For anyone who's used Weatherlink for Windows then the features and online structure of 2.0 (Bulletin/Data/Chart etc) will be familiar but in a much-improved presentation.
Title: Re: Weatherlink.com 2.0 announced
Post by: VaJim on December 05, 2017, 12:39:03 PM
Is Davis planning on sending out an email to current users as to what to do and what not to do?

You'll need to ask Davis, but I'd guess that there'll be a Weather Club newsletter highlighting WLC2.0 circulated sometime soon.

But really there's not much new to learn or to know. Newly registered users will see the 2.0 site while existing users will need to await migration in a few months' time. For anyone who's used Weatherlink for Windows then the features and online structure of 2.0 (Bulletin/Data/Chart etc) will be familiar but in a much-improved presentation.

Thanks ...as a current user (many years), I was able to create a 'new' account (different name) but the data is not there.  I guess that will come as they migrate my station/data.  Still viewable under the old version.
Title: Re: Weatherlink.com 2.0 announced
Post by: PaulMy on December 05, 2017, 02:02:28 PM
I have no issue with how weatherlink.com works for me https://www.weatherlink.com/bulletin/a3a3c5e7-b8bd-4910-ba3a-f6ad6e1f09d1, especially as it is free, if I could just get Weatherlink software to run along with Cumulus to have regular WL data.  I just stopped Cumulus and ran WL and after a little time the weather station was downloaded by WL and pretty well immediately my weatherlink.com dashboard bulletin data and map were updated with my 10 min logging interval.  I could like it!

I'll soon stop WL and restart Cumulus, so unfortunately the weatherlink.com data will then be stale.

Enjoy,
Paul
Title: Re: Weatherlink.com 2.0 announced
Post by: Mattk on December 05, 2017, 03:34:33 PM
Does appear a little confusion in the understanding between the data archive interval and the live data? Nothing has really changed in this regard between V1 & V2 and not sure what all the misunderstanding is about? 
Title: Re: Weatherlink.com 2.0 announced
Post by: drew on December 05, 2017, 08:19:47 PM
The data ARCHIVE is uploaded every 60 minutes. The current conditions are still updated every 1 minute. I’m on WL 2.0 as the North Florence, Alabama station. Check out my weather bulletin to see the conditions change every 60 seconds.


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Title: Re: Weatherlink.com 2.0 announced
Post by: Damien49 on December 12, 2017, 12:47:45 PM
With this good news I have 2 questions:

1. Do you intend to harmonize the both XML files?

- http://api.weatherlink.com/v1/NoaaExt.xml?DID=$my_did&key=$my_key
and
- http://www.weatherlink.com/xml.php?user=$my_name&pass=$my_login

because some variables are in one and not in the other


2. Do you intend to set the daily XML variables to WMO time standards (6h UTC / 6h UTC)?
Title: Re: Weatherlink.com 2.0 announced
Post by: johnd on December 12, 2017, 02:56:46 PM
With this good news I have 2 questions:

I don't think anyone here knows the answer to the XML question. All that's clear so far is that a working XML API is not currently implemented in 2.0. Maybe Davis are still working on that - there are still quite a number of features still to be released?

The existing binary archive data (available now) and a new CSV format (not yet fully implemented) will both be available hourly to eg developers with appropriate download credentials.
Title: Re: Weatherlink.com 2.0 announced
Post by: Aardvark on December 12, 2017, 03:07:35 PM
With this good news I have 2 questions:

I don't think anyone here knows the answer to the XML question. All that's clear so far is that a working XML API is not currently implemented in 2.0. Maybe Davis are still working on that - there are still quite a number of features still to be released?

The existing binary archive data (available now) and a new CSV format (not yet fully implemented) will both be available hourly to eg developers with appropriate download credentials.

Somewhere I read that the APi is supposed to be updated about the time the whole thing comes active.  I got this off the FAQ for WL2.0

How can I show my data on my personal website? Do you have an API or a widget option?

    Yes. We are building an API for you, which will be available by Q2/2018.
Title: Re: Weatherlink.com 2.0 announced
Post by: johnd on December 12, 2017, 04:00:10 PM
Somewhere I read that the APi is supposed to be updated about the time the whole thing comes active.

But there isn't just one 'API' - that's my point. There are - potentially - at least four:

1. Binary archive - available now;
2. CSV - not publicly released yet;
3. 1.0-type XML API - no real news about whether there will be one or not. XML skeleton exists currently as a response to XML requests but not populated last time I heard;
4. Potentially something else, which could be a different XML format, maybe JSON or conceivably something else, eg it would be nice if there were an MQTT feed, but maybe that's too much to expect;

I suspect that what the FAQ refers to is [2]. That's definitely coming and Apr-Jun 2018 sounds about the right time frame.
Title: Re: Weatherlink.com 2.0 announced
Post by: Aardvark on December 12, 2017, 04:04:57 PM
Somewhere I read that the APi is supposed to be updated about the time the whole thing comes active.

But there isn't just one 'API' - that's my point. There are - potentially - at least four:

1. Binary archive - available now;
2. CSV - not publicly released yet;
3. 1.0-type XML API - no real news about whether there will be one or not. XML skeleton exists currently as a response to XML requests but not populated last time I heard;
4. Potentially something else, which could be a different XML format, maybe JSON or conceivably something else, eg it would be nice if there were an MQTT feed, but maybe that's too much to expect;

I suspect that what the FAQ refers to is [2]. That's definitely coming and Apr-Jun 2018 sounds about the right time frame.

And thus we wait, with baited breath.  At least they promise to keep the version 1 active ,  I hope they will. so did WU, but then again..
Title: Re: Weatherlink.com 2.0 announced
Post by: johnd on December 12, 2017, 04:08:56 PM
At least they promise to keep the version 1 active...

If you mean the v1 interface (ie the blue-sky summary etc) then that's definitely only for a limited period - as yet unspecified, but my guess would be that it will be gone by the end of 2018.
Title: Re: Weatherlink.com 2.0 announced
Post by: Aardvark on December 12, 2017, 04:15:34 PM
At least they promise to keep the version 1 active...

If you mean the v1 interface (ie the blue-sky summary etc) then that's definitely only for a limited period - as yet unspecified, but my guess would be that it will be gone by the end of 2018.
well, yeah.   I hope to be transitioned over by then.  I prefer the transition rather than go ahead and reregister now and be screwed . 
Title: Re: Weatherlink.com 2.0 announced
Post by: Damien49 on December 12, 2017, 04:17:10 PM
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At least they promise to keep the version 1 active

I hope so. It's the only reason I bought weatherlinkIP. A xml files available to my PHP website. But The XML data are very perfectible (harmonization both links and WMO standard for daily data)
Title: Re: Weatherlink.com 2.0 announced
Post by: dalecoy on December 23, 2017, 11:00:03 PM
OK, I'm using my desktop computer (not the one that runs WeatherLink), and I just registered for an account.   Then went to "Add a device".

Have Davis device to install? Click one of the items below to install.
Data Logger
Install WeatherLink software on your personal computer (on 24/7) and a data logger to send data to WeatherLink.com.

OK, click "Install" for USB device.

DATA LOGGER INSTALL
Before you proceed, please make sure you have plugged your Data Logger into your computer and make sure you’ve installed the WeatherLink Software. Connecting the Data Logger to the web will require you to enter a Device ID and Key (provided at the end of this web install) into the software.

Hmmmmm.  Backed out of this....

1.  Do I have to do this from my Weather Computer (the one that's running WeatherLink software)? 
2.  Does it mess with my own WeatherLink software settings?  I'm already using WeatherLink to upload to my personal website, as well as WU and CWOP.

Item 2 above is particularly bothersome, if the procedure deletes any of my setup.  It would be OK if the procedure *ADDS* items.

3.  Should I shut down WeatherLink software before doing this?  Or is a shutdown and restart required?  Or a reboot of the computer?

Or, if these important details are available somewhere, where did I miss them?


Title: Re: Weatherlink.com 2.0 announced
Post by: Mattk on December 23, 2017, 11:09:54 PM
Received an email a few days ago from daviswebdev advising my WeatherLink Pro Trial would expire in 5 days and to upgrade now to avoid being downgraded to WeatherLink basic.

Now to start with had never received an email to advise of any free trail in the first place and second all my sites are still on V1 so a bit of a jumpy start on this one.
Title: Re: Weatherlink.com 2.0 announced
Post by: catdon on December 24, 2017, 03:24:39 AM
Received an email a few days ago from daviswebdev advising my WeatherLink Pro Trial would expire in 5 days and to upgrade now to avoid being downgraded to WeatherLink basic.

Now to start with had never received an email to advise of any free trail in the first place and second all my sites are still on V1 so a bit of a jumpy start on this one.
I received a followup e mail stating that those e mails were sent out by mistake...Your free 30 day trial of pro will begin when your migrated over to v2.
Title: Re: Weatherlink.com 2.0 announced
Post by: johnd on December 24, 2017, 03:43:35 AM
1.  Do I have to do this from my Weather Computer (the one that's running WeatherLink software)? 

Not personally had occasion to set up a new WL for Windows upload account to 2.0 yet, but to the best of my knowledge:

The process is no different in principle from 1.0. You need a DID and keycode to enter into WLfW when you set up the uploads to WLC. These two items of information get assigned to you on-screen when you register the account, so there's no need to do it on the same computer at all. Then once you have the (virtual) DID and code, you can go back to WLfW and activate the account using the Weatherlink Network menu option towards the bottom of the Setup menu.

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2.  Does it mess with my own WeatherLink software settings?  I'm already using WeatherLink to upload to my personal website, as well as WU and CWOP.

Item 2 above is particularly bothersome, if the procedure deletes any of my setup.  It would be OK if the procedure *ADDS* items.

I'm pretty sure that it's simply an additional task carried out by a separate part of the program to the Internet Settings that control other uploads. AFAIK everything should work together; the only potential issue I can foresee is that if you had a slow/old PC running eg RapidFire as well as other uploads and added WLC2 uploads to that mix then you could conceivably run into CPU capacity/resource issues. The frequent uploads to WLC2 will be once per minute, with the archive increment uploaded hourly.

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3.  Should I shut down WeatherLink software before doing this?  Or is a shutdown and restart required?  Or a reboot of the computer?

Don't think that any of this should be necessary. Once you have a valid DID/code setting then the option to upload to WLC becomes ungreyed.
Title: Re: Weatherlink.com 2.0 announced
Post by: dalecoy on December 24, 2017, 10:30:20 AM
1.  Do I have to do this from my Weather Computer (the one that's running WeatherLink software)? 

Not personally had occasion to set up a new WL for Windows upload account to 2.0 yet, but to the best of my knowledge:

The process is no different in principle from 1.0. You need a DID and keycode to enter into WLfW when you set up the uploads to WLC. These two items of information get assigned to you on-screen when you register the account, so there's no need to do it on the same computer at all. Then once you have the (virtual) DID and code, you can go back to WLfW and activate the account using the Weatherlink Network menu option towards the bottom of the Setup menu.
.

Thanks for the information.  I have no experience with WL.com - not having a WLIP logger, etc.  I'll try the procedure in a few days, and report back.
Title: Re: Weatherlink.com 2.0 announced
Post by: johnd on December 24, 2017, 01:33:05 PM
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Thanks for the information.  I have no experience with WL.com - not having a WLIP logger, etc.  I'll try the procedure in a few days, and report back.

Hopefully you'll find that it's very simple to set up and in practice no more than a couple of minutes each to get your account DID/code and then to set the details in WLfW. It's then your choice how much time you spend exploring the WLC platform, but with 2 points to bear in mind:

1. You should get the Pro level FOC for the first 30 days;
2. The first current conditions data should be uploaded pretty much straightaway, but it may take an hour for the first archive upload;
Title: Re: Weatherlink.com 2.0 announced
Post by: dalecoy on December 24, 2017, 03:22:39 PM
Quote
Thanks for the information.  I have no experience with WL.com - not having a WLIP logger, etc.  I'll try the procedure in a few days, and report back.

Hopefully you'll find that it's very simple to set up and in practice no more than a couple of minutes each to get your account DID/code and then to set the details in WLfW.

Of course, I know I'll have to enter the DID and Key into WeatherLink for Windows. 

But, just for completeness of our knowledge - do I actually have to use my Weather computer (the one that's actually running WeatherLink software) to get the DID and Key?
Title: Re: Weatherlink.com 2.0 announced
Post by: johnd on December 24, 2017, 03:31:32 PM
No, as I said, I've not had cause to run through this myself, but 98% sure that the initial interaction is just to register the account and receive a note of the DID & key.

Marginally simpler if you do it on the same PC because then you can just copy and paste the details, but I'm virtually certain that there's no interaction between your browser request for an account and the WL program. The WL version has not changed at all so the process with WL is just the same as it was previously when you received the details by email.
Title: Re: Weatherlink.com 2.0 announced
Post by: dalecoy on December 25, 2017, 04:15:09 PM
No, as I said, I've not had cause to run through this myself, but 98% sure that the initial interaction is just to register the account and receive a note of the DID & key.

Marginally simpler if you do it on the same PC because then you can just copy and paste the details, but I'm virtually certain that there's no interaction between your browser request for an account and the WL program. The WL version has not changed at all so the process with WL is just the same as it was previously when you received the details by email.

OK, I did the "install logger" process, and got my 12-character DID and 6-digit Key.  Went to WeatherLink Setup, typed in those items, clicked the button to enter them and.... after a wait of a few seconds ....

         Value Cannot be null
         Parameter name: request UriString

Tried several times (cut-and-paste, typing, etc. etc.) with the same result.  It's not sending data to my WeatherLink.com page.  (Waited over an hour to be sure).  But is still working OK with all other destinations.

I suppose it's time to send a question to Davis Support.

Footnote: it is obviously trying,  In addition to the other things, the log file contains (once per minute)
12/25/17  3:31p (ValleyForge) Value cannot be null.
Parameter name: requestUriString
 12/25/17  3:30p (ValleyForge) Value cannot be null.
Parameter name: requestUriString

Footnote 2:  I'm running WeatherLink version 6.0.1 - is version 6.0.3 required to use WeatherLink.com this way?
Title: Re: Weatherlink.com 2.0 announced
Post by: johnd on December 25, 2017, 04:50:56 PM
Definitely update to 6.0.3 before concluding that there's any issue. IIRC 6.0.1 was only around briefly and obviously had some bugs, maybe including this one - can't remember the details though.
Title: Re: Weatherlink.com 2.0 announced
Post by: waiukuweather on December 25, 2017, 05:12:43 PM
just trying here
I have an IP data logger
that was was previously registered with WL.com 1.0
I got that auto transfered to WL 2.0 when logging in
running weatherlink 6.03, how do I get that to upload to weatherlink.com?
(i have setup weatherlink to get data from my IP data logger)
under setup, weatherlink network is greyed out...
Title: Re: Weatherlink.com 2.0 announced
Post by: dalecoy on December 25, 2017, 05:24:40 PM
Definitely update to 6.0.3 before concluding that there's any issue. IIRC 6.0.1 was only around briefly and obviously had some bugs, maybe including this one - can't remember the details though.

Answering that: Updating to 6.0.3 "fixed" the issue.  Now seems to be working OK.

Comment: the "instructions" for how to do all of this were not very helpful (in most cases, did not exist).  For instance, in the "install" procedure, there was a box for "time zone" - that could not be manually changed.

It was not OBVIOUS that I should be either entering my street address or geographic coordinates, and that, when that was done, the "time zone" would be set for me.  In my case, it now says  America/Chicago - but of course, I don't live anywhere near Chicago.

And a note, somewhere, that WeatherLink for Windows Version 6.0.3 is the required version, would obviously have been quite helpful to me.

Thanks for all of your help, johnd.
Title: Re: Weatherlink.com 2.0 announced
Post by: waiukuweather on December 25, 2017, 06:17:20 PM
I see what I have done wrong
I need to be using a non IP data logger
Title: Re: Weatherlink.com 2.0 announced
Post by: waiukuweather on December 25, 2017, 06:30:38 PM
got it working. i.e updating to WL 2.0 via weatherlink 6.03 from a USB data logger
question
how do you change the units on your weatherlink.com web site?
I could not see anything obvious?
Title: Re: Weatherlink.com 2.0 announced
Post by: PaulMy on December 25, 2017, 08:58:01 PM
Click on the account information icon   The left icon under your login name.


Paul
Title: Re: Weatherlink.com 2.0 announced
Post by: waiukuweather on December 25, 2017, 09:24:11 PM
I don't seem to see that or I am blind?
Title: Re: Weatherlink.com 2.0 announced
Post by: waiukuweather on December 25, 2017, 09:26:32 PM
I found it
its that little man icon
tbanks!
Title: Re: Weatherlink.com 2.0 announced
Post by: dalecoy on December 25, 2017, 10:05:08 PM

2. 'Current conditions' data packets are ........ still uploaded every minute, with updates reflected in the Bulletin/dashboard presentation.


Is there a way to change that (make it less frequent)?  I know my feelings are off-norm here, but I would be happy with every 5 minutes.  Why waste the bandwidth, if I don't personally need it?
Title: Re: Weatherlink.com 2.0 announced
Post by: waiukuweather on December 25, 2017, 11:09:25 PM
using wireshark, I see the HTTP Post data is going to 54.172.164.1 (i.e weatherlink.com) as a binary stream
probably as a whole 52 byte page of data
Title: Re: Weatherlink.com 2.0 announced
Post by: johnd on December 26, 2017, 03:42:26 AM
Comment: the "instructions" for how to do all of this were not very helpful (in most cases, did not exist).  For instance, in the "install" procedure, there was a box for "time zone" - that could not be manually changed.

Probably a comment to direct towards support@weatherlink.com . I suspect that doing more external beta-testing would have helped though there are quite a few different use cases. Behind the scenes I think it is a fairly major update against a deadline, so unsurprising that there is scope for improvement in the instructions,

Quote
It was not OBVIOUS that I should be either entering my street address or geographic coordinates, and that, when that was done, the "time zone" would be set for me.  In my case, it now says  America/Chicago - but of course, I don't live anywhere near Chicago.

It should be made more obvious that there are shortcuts available for location details, eg in the UK we just need to enter the postcode and everything else is automatic. I'm guessing the same applies to US zip codes.

Quote
And a note, somewhere, that WeatherLink for Windows Version 6.0.3 is the required version, would obviously have been quite helpful to me.

Agreed

NB And I'm not aware that there is any way of changing the update intervals - suspect the WLfW uploads are simply set at the same frequency as the WLIP ones. But Brian could probably confirm that if he's watching the binary uploads. (So we're expecting a brief update every minute, with a longer one for the archive data every hour.)
Title: Re: Weatherlink.com 2.0 announced
Post by: waiukuweather on December 26, 2017, 04:19:29 AM
yes there is an update every minute, I am guessing of the just the latest data
ps, its an octet binary stream http post
Title: Re: Weatherlink.com 2.0 announced
Post by: waiukuweather on December 26, 2017, 04:24:30 AM
application/octet-stream
it might be similar to the info provided in the latest Davis manual for doing a http download from weatherlink.com, which downloads binary data
Title: Re: Weatherlink.com 2.0 announced
Post by: johnd on December 26, 2017, 04:32:35 AM
application/octet-stream
it might be similar to the info provided in the latest Davis manual for doing a http download from weatherlink.com, which downloads binary data

Yes my guess is very similar, maybe the actual weather content is identical.
Title: Re: Weatherlink.com 2.0 announced
Post by: waiukuweather on December 26, 2017, 05:20:38 AM
from the manual for the web download section:
Quote
The response is a binary encoded octet stream of the raw 52 byte archive records. These can be
decoded per the definition in X.4
so maybe the upload is that same 52 byte archive record?
Title: Re: Weatherlink.com 2.0 announced
Post by: johnd on December 26, 2017, 05:28:12 AM
so maybe the upload is that same 52 byte archive record?

Why not? I can imagine the thought process that if you already have a concise format for all the key data that your weather station can generate then why reinvent the wheel, especially when you have C++  (or whatever) modules on-hand that already build and parse the records. BICBW.
Title: Re: Weatherlink.com 2.0 announced
Post by: waiukuweather on December 27, 2017, 07:52:35 PM
making progress
I was able to download the binary record data (52 bytes) from weatherlink.com using HTTP Get OK using the info in the manual
ie a file was created
I now need to see if I can read that file in and make sure its correct data etc

I then was able to upload that same file again using HTTP POST and the response back looked valid
so now I need to try creating that record file , and see if that data shows up on weatherlink.com
Title: Re: Weatherlink.com 2.0 announced
Post by: waiukuweather on December 28, 2017, 06:24:30 PM
OK, I am able to download the 52 byte archive data
and parse that out OK
and even create a record data file (which I can parse out OK)
one problem is though, that download from weatherlink.com ,is actually of data my my old weatherlink.com 1.0 data
and not the new weatherlink.com 2.0 data (which I am able to populate OK with a virtual DID /Key via weatherlink 6.03 web upload function via data via usb to a VP console


Title: Re: Weatherlink.com 2.0 announced
Post by: johnd on December 29, 2017, 03:57:39 AM
Ah, if I've followed correctly what you're trying to do  you need to substitute DID for username in the web download call, but still use the account pw - it's working fine here.

And yes there shouldn't be any problem with parsing the downloaded data - the format of the binary packet hasn't changed since 1.0 and this download is used by a number of user programs, including our own Prowlar (wxdata.net (http://wxdata.net)) (demo/demo if you're interested).

Title: New Weatherlink.com 2.0 Video on YouTube
Post by: Andy G on December 29, 2017, 04:22:22 AM
Davis posted a new video on YouTube. Here's the link https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gEWsAeQB0R8 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gEWsAeQB0R8)
Title: Re: Weatherlink.com 2.0 announced
Post by: Swannie on December 29, 2017, 07:25:27 AM
[Is there a way to change that (make it less frequent)?  I know my feelings are off-norm here, but I would be happy with every 5 minutes.  Why waste the bandwidth, if I don't personally need it?]

Open WeatherLink 6.03 and under Setup, Internet Settings are Profiles. Select 1 and change the update time to what you want
Title: Re: Weatherlink.com 2.0 announced
Post by: waiukuweather on December 29, 2017, 12:33:06 PM
oh great tip that, using the DID instead of the username
now I can download the data from weatherlink.com 2.0 now OK (and you get the info about the latest data via a header call too)

for the upload, I can upload if I set the time stamp to 1 day earlier...so I wonder if the times need to be UTC?
Title: Re: Weatherlink.com 2.0 announced
Post by: waiukuweather on December 29, 2017, 12:48:48 PM
another question
how many records in the binary file (i.e how many pages of 52 byte data (i.e history) would be expected in a upload?
(for uploading current data, i.e where the time stamp is set to current time)
(in testing, setting the time stamp to 0 in the upload makes a larger upload of data occur..interesting (compared to say setting to 1 day back)
still not getting the uploaded data (its being accepted OK ) to actually show up as new current data
Title: Re: Weatherlink.com 2.0 announced
Post by: dalecoy on December 29, 2017, 01:11:08 PM
[Is there a way to change that (make it less frequent)?  I know my feelings are off-norm here, but I would be happy with every 5 minutes.  Why waste the bandwidth, if I don't personally need it?]

Open WeatherLink 6.03 and under Setup, Internet Settings are Profiles. Select 1 and change the update time to what you want

No, that doesn't work (for the uploads to WeatherLink.com).  There's no profile for the WeatherLink.com upload.
Title: Re: Weatherlink.com 2.0 announced
Post by: johnd on December 29, 2017, 01:54:51 PM
how many records in the binary file (i.e how many pages of 52 byte data (i.e history) would be expected in a upload?

Sorry, no real idea, except to guess that the obvious answer is one at a time (ie one per minute).

If the assumption is that the upload packet format is identical to the archive packet then there must be some way that WLC distinguishes current conditions packets from 'real' archive packets that are uploaded hourly, because the the archive packets could theoretically comprise up to 2560 records (ie the logger capacity).

But it's all a bit moot isn't it (except in the sense of general interest)? Can't see any way that Davis are going to permit uploads from any software source other than WL itself - WLC is presumably intended as a showcase for Davis stations and not open to other brands.
Title: Re: Weatherlink.com 2.0 announced
Post by: waiukuweather on December 29, 2017, 02:21:33 PM
I have heard rumours that they might open it up via an api in the middle of next year
at least I have figured out how to get history data downloads working from weatherlink.com
Title: Re: Weatherlink.com 2.0 announced
Post by: johnd on December 29, 2017, 02:29:05 PM
I thought that new API was for downloads rather than uploads BICBW. They need a new download API anyway because WLC2 obviously caters for EM systems as well as Vue/VP2 (and presumably, potentially, for whatever next-VP2 might be) and so the new API needs to be hugely more flexible than the existing one (which it is, downloading as a CSV).
Title: Re: Weatherlink.com 2.0 announced
Post by: Swannie on December 29, 2017, 04:30:02 PM
405: Method Not Allowed.

This is the message I get each time I try to safe South Africa as my country. After saving it pops up with a new Login, with all the details filled in, but when I click Login the Message on top opens in a new window.

Whats wrong with my settings?
Title: Re: Weatherlink.com 2.0 announced
Post by: Swannie on December 29, 2017, 05:03:50 PM
[Is there a way to change that (make it less frequent)?  I know my feelings are off-norm here, but I would be happy with every 5 minutes.  Why waste the bandwidth, if I don't personally need it?]

Open WeatherLink 6.03 and under Setup, Internet Settings are Profiles. Select 1 and change the update time to what you want

No, that doesn't work (for the uploads to WeatherLink.com).  There's no profile for the WeatherLink.com upload.

For we the new users with data loggers the only means of communication to WeatherLink is through 6.03 The new WeatherLink 2.0 has to communicate through 6.03 therefore My believe is that in 6.03 is the only way you can choose the update intervals
Title: Re: Weatherlink.com 2.0 announced
Post by: waiukuweather on December 29, 2017, 05:04:12 PM
on a side note, I did setup a new station, for my IP data logger
and that worked
but after I powered down my console with the IP data logger after letting it run for a bit, now when I go  to view that data, selecting that station in the drop down, I just get taken to the default davis data instead and when I try to edit that station in the setup, it says not found
is the free basic setup not allowed to have more than 1 station?
also when I try to setup again it says that the DID is already registered
ps has anyone tried to use wireshark to monitor what an IP data logger sends?

I take that back now my 2nd station IP data logger is there...maybe there was some glitch
Title: Re: Weatherlink.com 2.0 announced
Post by: dalecoy on December 29, 2017, 05:42:12 PM
[Is there a way to change that (make it less frequent)?  I know my feelings are off-norm here, but I would be happy with every 5 minutes.  Why waste the bandwidth, if I don't personally need it?]

Open WeatherLink 6.03 and under Setup, Internet Settings are Profiles. Select 1 and change the update time to what you want

No, that doesn't work (for the uploads to WeatherLink.com).  There's no profile for the WeatherLink.com upload.

For we the new users with data loggers the only means of communication to WeatherLink is through 6.03 The new WeatherLink 2.0 has to communicate through 6.03 therefore My believe is that in 6.03 is the only way you can choose the update intervals

Have you actually tried it, or are you just "believing"?

I have a serial/USB logger, and WeatherLink 6.0.3, and registered with WeatherLink.com, and there is no "profile" for the uploads to WeatherLink.com. 
Title: Re: Weatherlink.com 2.0 announced
Post by: waiukuweather on December 29, 2017, 05:43:52 PM
weatherlink 6.03 can be set to upload to weatherlink.com
I have that working here
(when using a USB (or serial) data logger)
Title: Re: Weatherlink.com 2.0 announced
Post by: Swannie on December 29, 2017, 05:51:14 PM
I never before had a DID and Key, so with the new Weatherlink 2.0 I got those from them and the only place to put it was in 6.03 and it works,  ](*,)
Title: Re: Weatherlink.com 2.0 announced
Post by: dalecoy on December 29, 2017, 05:59:19 PM
weatherlink 6.03 can be set to upload to weatherlink.com
I have that working here
(when using a USB (or serial) data logger)

If that was a reply to what I posted .......................... DUH!

I know that.  I have it working.  Do you have a "Profile" for the upload to WeatherLink.com, so that you could change the upload interval if you wished to do so?

Swannie said:
Quote
Open WeatherLink 6.03 and under Setup, Internet Settings are Profiles. Select 1 and change the update time to what you want

That doesn't work (for weatherlink.com) for me.
Title: Re: Weatherlink.com 2.0 announced
Post by: waiukuweather on December 29, 2017, 06:11:58 PM
no need to duh me
it was not very clear,
 you seemed to be making out it was not possible to upload to weatherlink.com with weatherlink 6.03
no, there is no way to change the upload interval

calling it a profile or not is irrelevant
why try to argue with someone about that?
just simply say there is no way to change the upload interval
Title: Re: Weatherlink.com 2.0 announced
Post by: waiukuweather on December 29, 2017, 08:17:34 PM
one thing too about the new weatherlink.com 2.0 web site
it seems that the barometer graph only updates ever hour (even though it then shows the new data points over that hour when it updates)
Title: Re: Weatherlink.com 2.0 announced
Post by: dalecoy on December 29, 2017, 08:28:25 PM
no need to duh me

just simply say there is no way to change the upload interval

As johnd said in Reply #86. 
Title: Re: Weatherlink.com 2.0 announced
Post by: waiukuweather on December 29, 2017, 09:01:30 PM
re the only showing new data on the hour for weatherlink.com 2.0
is that just when using the basic features (i.e not paying a monthly fee) ?
Title: Re: Weatherlink.com 2.0 announced
Post by: waiukuweather on December 29, 2017, 09:44:57 PM
sorry for all the questions
so, will weatherlink.com 1.0 xml data keep on being available going forward (using your normal username)?
Title: Re: Weatherlink.com 2.0 announced
Post by: Mattk on December 29, 2017, 10:55:57 PM
sorry for all the questions
so, will weatherlink.com 1.0 xml data keep on being available going forward (using your normal username)?

No, once all 1.0 sites are transferred then 1.0 will be shutdown
Title: Re: Weatherlink.com 2.0 announced
Post by: waiukuweather on December 29, 2017, 11:07:53 PM
oh
because the problem is, the xml data feed from the 2.0 data,  does not seem to be working
Title: Re: Weatherlink.com 2.0 announced
Post by: frimmel on December 30, 2017, 02:46:17 AM
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Title: Re: Weatherlink.com 2.0 announced
Post by: johnd on December 30, 2017, 04:05:10 AM
because the problem is, the xml data feed from the 2.0 data,  does not seem to be working

I think this was discussed upthread (or maybe in a related thread). Requests for an XML response are still recognised by WLC2 but the response doesn't seem to be populated with actual data.

AFAIK the XML interface was only ever unofficial (or maybe provisional or unsupported is a better word), eg it was never included as an official method in the Serial Tech Ref document in the same way Web Download is. So I wouldn't be surprised to see it disappear, but who knows? Don't people use JSON these days anyway, rather than XML?

But somewhere in the WLC2 announcements there's mention of a future feature to allow users to build their own web page presentation, so this will possibly (depending on exactly how it's implemented) need a data feed of some kind, which I guess could be a JSON object. But who knows when that feature might appear - the developers are probably quite busy at present finishing off the initial features, organising the migration, squashing bugs etc  and details like format, frequency, possible cost etc are 100% unclear. So it's probably a feature for WLC2.1 or some such designation and maybe not expected for 6-12 months.
Title: Re: Weatherlink.com 2.0 announced
Post by: waiukuweather on December 30, 2017, 01:52:40 PM
well that is a shame, as the xml data feed was a nice way to get data every minute
the web download is only updated every hour (the 52 byte data record) by the looks (presumably that was the same with the 1.0 version too?)
Title: Re: Weatherlink.com 2.0 announced
Post by: wvdkuil on December 31, 2017, 04:01:51 AM
because the problem is, the xml data feed from the 2.0 data,  does not seem to be working

I think this was discussed upthread (or maybe in a related thread). Requests for an XML response are still recognised by WLC2 but the response doesn't seem to be populated with actual data.

AFAIK the XML interface was only ever unofficial (or maybe provisional or unsupported is a better word), eg it was never included as an official method in the Serial Tech Ref document in the same way Web Download is. So I wouldn't be surprised to see it disappear, but who knows? Don't people use JSON these days anyway, rather than XML?

But somewhere in the WLC2 announcements there's mention of a future feature to allow users to build their own web page presentation, so this will possibly (depending on exactly how it's implemented) need a data feed of some kind, which I guess could be a JSON object. But who knows when that feature might appear - the developers are probably quite busy at present finishing off the initial features, organising the migration, squashing bugs etc  and details like format, frequency, possible cost etc are 100% unclear. So it's probably a feature for WLC2.1 or some such designation and maybe not expected for 6-12 months.

Maybe for sellers of Davis equipment it is not a big deal, maybe neither for people using wl.com as their only web-presence.

But there are numerous users who bought a WLIP
1.  to upload to wl.com
AND
2. who use that wl.com data (xml) to get the weather-data to their site.

WLIP  is far more extensive compared to a Davis USB logger.  But with wl.com 1.0 that higher price included the upload and data storage at WL.com.
Especially in rural areas where it is not easy to have a PC-like device 24/7 doing those upload tasks. In the past I often advised to use a WL-IP as that device gives you multiple upload-paths to the web.  At least 2 different paths: Most owners of a WL-IP I am aware of use another weather-program  and most of those programs  (WD Cumulus a.s.o.) allow the WLIP to continue to upload to wl.com also. And 3 different upload-paths when using a MB with a WLIP, it allows the use of one other weather-program concurrently.

I myself use a WL-IP as a WU upload and backup device, although the normal website uploads are done with a MB. Only 1 setting switches immediately the website-data  from WL.com to MB and vice-versa.

If Davis is really going to drop the xml feed, the current WLIP + XML users have to find another solution, such as a Meteobridge?

For new users: Buying a WLIP today will give you a nice website where you can have  a "look only to"  view of your data. Nice but useless if you want your own website, f.i. if you want to see yesterdays weather-values such min-max temps, amount of rain. Weatherlink -> Weatherlink.com does not store yesterdays values. Never did and 6.0.3 is the final release, never will.

Just some calculations for new buyers of a Davis logger who do not "need to have" wl.com 2.0:
WLIP 280€ versus USB 160€ = -/- 120€. Davis to "clone" logger another 60€ in the pocket?.
Meteobridge DIY costs less than 100€, Meteobridge ready made 130€
And do you really need that expensive console+logger?  Or is a Meteostick+MB, or Mesteostick-Raspb or MB-Pro-red a better solution?

A lot of "better" (=debatable) choices, so in my opinion, Davis should continue to supply the wl.com aggregated weather-values. And it does not matter if it is json or xml, that difference is a 1 or 2 lines in a script change only.
Data in EXCEL type csv format is useless as that is only a list of past weather-measurements every so many minutes, no aggregated data.

Wim
Title: Re: Weatherlink.com 2.0 announced
Post by: johnd on December 31, 2017, 06:04:38 AM
I could make several comments here, but to cut things short:

To be clear, I'm all in favour of Davis making WLC2 as flexible and open as possible, but exactly how far Davis go in this regard is obviously up to them.

But the key point is as per the image here in a FAQ line. I still don't know what 'by Q2' means in practice - whether this is April 1st or June 30th - probably the latter I'd guess. But clearly something is planned and this should allay your concerns in principle, though whether it will deliver exactly what you want is tricky to know in advance.

Title: Re: Weatherlink.com 2.0 announced
Post by: Swannie on December 31, 2017, 09:52:53 AM
Since I installed the free version of WLC2, I was trying to figure out what is the benefit for me uploading my data from my Davis Vantage VUE to Davis's website and up to now I could not find any. When I bought in in 2014 along with an USB data logger and the WeatherLink 6.03 software, I was required to pay to upload my data. Then finding WeatherUnderground for free without adverts if I'm a contributor and the benefit of having a great Forecaster I was happy and go lucky. Weatherlink's map is only to find other Davis owners updating to there website and I already have that in Wunderground. So if I'm missing something somewhere along the line Please help me out
Title: Re: Weatherlink.com 2.0 announced
Post by: Swannie on December 31, 2017, 12:00:39 PM
Along with a question that popped earlier in connection to the update intervals to WL 2, my thoughts were that it was regulated by WL 6.03, but then another question came up with me: If I enable real time mode, which were unavailable before WL 2 ID, where does that go to, and as non ascriber to WeatherLink, why do the take more data than what they are willing to show me in graphs etc
Title: Re: Weatherlink.com 2.0 announced
Post by: Swannie on December 31, 2017, 01:48:12 PM
Okay, I'm sorry I was wrong stating that Real time Mode in WL 6.03 did not work without a WL ID, but where does this data then go to, because in my WunderGround module I selected 1 min update intervals?
Title: Re: Weatherlink.com 2.0 announced
Post by: ocala on December 31, 2017, 07:00:01 PM
It goes to WU. Something like every 3 seconds I believe.
But don't use it. As it is the software locks up when doing updates to where ever.
If you select that you literally cannot view any graphs or do anything because it's constantly updating. It took me several tries to disable that function before it performed another update.
Title: Re: Weatherlink.com 2.0 announced
Post by: Aardvark on December 31, 2017, 10:18:41 PM
because the problem is, the xml data feed from the 2.0 data,  does not seem to be working

I think this was discussed upthread (or maybe in a related thread). Requests for an XML response are still recognised by WLC2 but the response doesn't seem to be populated with actual data.

AFAIK the XML interface was only ever unofficial (or maybe provisional or unsupported is a better word), eg it was never included as an official method in the Serial Tech Ref document in the same way Web Download is. So I wouldn't be surprised to see it disappear, but who knows? Don't people use JSON these days anyway, rather than XML?

But somewhere in the WLC2 announcements there's mention of a future feature to allow users to build their own web page presentation, so this will possibly (depending on exactly how it's implemented) need a data feed of some kind, which I guess could be a JSON object. But who knows when that feature might appear - the developers are probably quite busy at present finishing off the initial features, organising the migration, squashing bugs etc  and details like format, frequency, possible cost etc are 100% unclear. So it's probably a feature for WLC2.1 or some such designation and maybe not expected for 6-12 months.

Maybe for sellers of Davis equipment it is not a big deal, maybe neither for people using wl.com as their only web-presence.

But there are numerous users who bought a WLIP
1.  to upload to wl.com
AND
2. who use that wl.com data (xml) to get the weather-data to their site.

WLIP  is far more extensive compared to a Davis USB logger.  But with wl.com 1.0 that higher price included the upload and data storage at WL.com.
Especially in rural areas where it is not easy to have a PC-like device 24/7 doing those upload tasks. In the past I often advised to use a WL-IP as that device gives you multiple upload-paths to the web.  At least 2 different paths: Most owners of a WL-IP I am aware of use another weather-program  and most of those programs  (WD Cumulus a.s.o.) allow the WLIP to continue to upload to wl.com also. And 3 different upload-paths when using a MB with a WLIP, it allows the use of one other weather-program concurrently.

I myself use a WL-IP as a WU upload and backup device, although the normal website uploads are done with a MB. Only 1 setting switches immediately the website-data  from WL.com to MB and vice-versa.

If Davis is really going to drop the xml feed, the current WLIP + XML users have to find another solution, such as a Meteobridge?

For new users: Buying a WLIP today will give you a nice website where you can have  a "look only to"  view of your data. Nice but useless if you want your own website, f.i. if you want to see yesterdays weather-values such min-max temps, amount of rain. Weatherlink -> Weatherlink.com does not store yesterdays values. Never did and 6.0.3 is the final release, never will.

Just some calculations for new buyers of a Davis logger who do not "need to have" wl.com 2.0:
WLIP 280€ versus USB 160€ = -/- 120€. Davis to "clone" logger another 60€ in the pocket?.
Meteobridge DIY costs less than 100€, Meteobridge ready made 130€
And do you really need that expensive console+logger?  Or is a Meteostick+MB, or Mesteostick-Raspb or MB-Pro-red a better solution?

A lot of "better" (=debatable) choices, so in my opinion, Davis should continue to supply the wl.com aggregated weather-values. And it does not matter if it is json or xml, that difference is a 1 or 2 lines in a script change only.
Data in EXCEL type csv format is useless as that is only a list of past weather-measurements every so many minutes, no aggregated data.

Wim
I sent Davis support an email today about this issue and hope that someone will wake up and respond.   I did fire up Weathercat and  changed my data settings for a few minutes on the template.  Yes it works and that is one of my aces in the hole.  the other  would be to go about building a website, using the WL2.0 image as imbedded.    That would work but not entirely as beautiful as Wim's templates.    Oh there is a third option,  abandon  everything and put in a permanent forwarding from my web service and let that be that.  Then after  my contract expires, just stop the whole thing. 

See options. However  nothing until Davis figures out what they are doing.
Title: Re: Weatherlink.com 2.0 announced
Post by: wicked on January 04, 2018, 07:11:12 PM
Not sure if this is the right topic for my question.

But Have a David Vantage Pro2 up and running for a month now.  New user so been on the 2.0 (weatherlink.com) platform since installation (via Weatherlink IP logger).

Things have been good - one thing I cannot find is on the "data" tab my increments are 30 minutes.  When I look at the Davis youtube overview of the weatherlink.com site their "data" tab info shows 5 minute intervals.

Does anyone know how to change this to a lower interval than 30 minutes?
Title: Re: Weatherlink.com 2.0 announced
Post by: Mattk on January 05, 2018, 02:39:06 AM
Data upload interval to WeatherLink.com is the same as per the interval you have set in WeatherLink
Title: Re: Weatherlink.com 2.0 announced
Post by: johnd on January 05, 2018, 03:11:07 AM
Data upload interval to WeatherLink.com is the same as per the interval you have set in WeatherLink

Not quite. From an IP logger 'current conditions' data uploads every minute. Then the archive data, which is what you see on the Data tab for example and as per your image, uploads data once an hour.

The number of archive records uploaded every hour then depends on the archive interval you have set for the logger. IIRC the default is 30 minutes, which is presumably what you're currently seeing. You need to connect to the IP logger via a local copy of the Weatherlink program to change this archive interval to eg 5 minutes, if that's what you prefer, to configure the unit such that each new batch of 12 x 5-minute records will upload once per hour.
Title: Re: Weatherlink.com 2.0 announced
Post by: Mattk on January 05, 2018, 04:14:24 AM
Data upload interval to WeatherLink.com is the same as per the interval you have set in WeatherLink

Not quite. From an IP logger 'current conditions' data uploads every minute. Then the archive data, which is what you see on the Data tab for example and as per your image, uploads data once an hour.

The number of archive records uploaded every hour then depends on the archive interval you have set for the logger. IIRC the default is 30 minutes, which is presumably what you're currently seeing. You need to connect to the IP logger via a local copy of the Weatherlink program to change this archive interval to eg 5 minutes, if that's what you prefer, to configure the unit such that each new batch of 12 x 5-minute records will upload once per hour.

Gee woopie might have to check then double check every thing that is written along with the dotting of the I' and crossing the t's but that has nothing to do with this subject

wicked wasn't talking about the near realtime upload he was talking about the archive interval, did I give a wrong response regard that? 
Title: Re: Weatherlink.com 2.0 announced
Post by: wicked on January 05, 2018, 11:09:25 AM
Thanks for the replies. Didn’t realize I had to hook this up to a local copy of the software.

When I spoke with Davis before buying this I asked them since I’m a Mac guy and their software is windows only.

Bummer. Guess ill spin up a VM of windows and see if I can change the interval.

Hopefully the interval setting is easy to find.

I’ll report back!
Title: Re: Weatherlink.com 2.0 announced
Post by: VaJim on January 05, 2018, 11:14:47 AM
my Vue is feeding weatherlink (older version).  Got an email from davis about their Pro version.

Can't seem to find out how to convert my basic older version of weatherlink to the 2.0 version.
Title: Re: Weatherlink.com 2.0 announced
Post by: wicked on January 05, 2018, 03:57:49 PM

I got the VM setup and software installed.  I also realized that to adjust interval settings you must connect via local device ID mode (which did not work for me likely due to local DHCP issues) or remote IP address (this worked) not web download.

Once I got over that hurdle I was able to set the interval.

I then called Davis support to see how long they would store data on a paid Pro account for WL2.0 and their answer was "not sure" - but he did say he would email me back a better answer.

The feedback I gave them was if I was going to pay $4 a month they better keep it in perpetuity, if not they should send archive files directly (or ability to schedule them) to the user since they are EOL the local software for new WL2.0.

Asked him if this interval setting will be built into the WL2.0 vs doing it through local software - his answer was "I don't know" but he did add that he assumes it will since the local software is going EOL.

- also reported a bug on their WL2.0 bulletin page - weather rose only showing daily info, goes blank on weekly and monthly (support tech confirmed this)
- my other question was how often the chart and data tab was updated on the WL2.0 site.  He said on the top of every hour and this is unconfigurable.
Title: Re: Weatherlink.com 2.0 announced
Post by: johnd on January 05, 2018, 04:16:29 PM
Unfortunately, if you talk to Davis frontline support, you don't always get someone with huge experience. But the answers to your questions are:

The Pro a/c will store archive data indefinitely. The free version stores the most recent 10,240 records (approx 4 weeks at 5min interval). For either plan the archive data is downloadable on request to the Windows software (which is not going to disappear at all AIUI, it's just not going to be actively developed so it's only EOL in that narrow sense).

weatherlink.com cannot set the interval on the local logger, at least on present software architectures, because there is no back-channel from cloud to local logger. (Connect and EM units are a different matter.)

The chart and data tab cannot update more often than hourly because they run off the archive data and that's currently how often the archive data is uploaded, so the two things are tied together. I guess it's possible that this could be changed in the future but would require some firmware updates to console and probably IP logger.
Title: Re: Weatherlink.com 2.0 announced
Post by: wicked on January 05, 2018, 05:46:48 PM
Excellent info and follow up John. Thank you!!
Title: Re: Weatherlink.com 2.0 announced
Post by: Mattk on January 05, 2018, 05:53:43 PM
Some how I feel an imposition coming on  :-k
Title: Re: Weatherlink.com 2.0 announced
Post by: Joel on January 06, 2018, 07:47:14 AM
Excellent info and follow up John. Thank you!!

+1 John, your comments are very much appreciated
Title: Re: Weatherlink.com 2.0 announced
Post by: wicked on January 06, 2018, 12:45:09 PM
One quick update. It seems when I changed my interval all historical data before the change either gets lost or erased - because it’s no longer there on the WL2.0 site when I go to view chart or data history.   :sad:

Not sure why this is but just a warning to folks out there.
Title: Re: Weatherlink.com 2.0 announced
Post by: eee3 on January 06, 2018, 03:01:24 PM
so maybe the upload is that same 52 byte archive record?

Why not? I can imagine the thought process that if you already have a concise format for all the key data that your weather station can generate then why reinvent the wheel, especially when you have C++  (or whatever) modules on-hand that already build and parse the records. BICBW.

The binary upload format resembles the station formats but isn't quite the same.  Uploading from 3rd party software is very doable but how Davis would react to that is unclear.

All uploads are HTTP PUT's and include an 11 byte header that contains the packet type and authentication info.  There are packet types for setup, loops, archive records, hilows, etc.

I would describe an upload loop packet as "loop 1.5".  It's a total of 120 bytes and consists of the header, nearly an entire unmodified station loop 1 packet (just a few useless leading and trailing bytes stripped) and the unique fields from a station loop 2 packet picked out.

An upload archive packet is very straight forward.  It's the header, 1 byte indicating the number of records being sent, and the 52 byte records follow.

I'm really tempted to write a stand-alone uploader...
Title: Re: Weatherlink.com 2.0 announced
Post by: waiukuweather on January 06, 2018, 04:39:21 PM
great info
how did you work that out? (info about loop data )
if you could get this to work, would be great if you could share with me :)
Title: Re: Weatherlink.com 2.0 announced
Post by: Mattk on January 06, 2018, 05:32:08 PM
....I'm really tempted to write a stand-alone uploader...

Oh yeah just great, put Davis into another crazed "green dot" type situation
Title: Re: Weatherlink.com 2.0 announced
Post by: waiukuweather on January 06, 2018, 05:47:30 PM
Davis have indicted they are going to making available an API in a few months anyway though
but not sure if that would be to upload data , maybe just to get data to use in different ways
Title: Re: Weatherlink.com 2.0 announced
Post by: eee3 on January 06, 2018, 05:58:07 PM
great info
how did you work that out? (info about loop data )
if you could get this to work, would be great if you could share with me :)

I had previously written a Davis station protocol emulator per the published specification.  Using that to feed specific observations and looking at what gets sent makes it pretty easy to work though.

Oh yeah just great, put Davis into another crazed "green dot" type situation

I get the reference but can't tell if you're really concerned or joking?  I do this type of stuff because I find it interesting and fun, certainly not to cause trouble.  I can back off.
Title: Re: Weatherlink.com 2.0 announced
Post by: Mattk on January 06, 2018, 06:05:29 PM
great info
how did you work that out? (info about loop data )
if you could get this to work, would be great if you could share with me :)

I had previously written a Davis station protocol emulator per the published specification.  Using that to feed specific observations and looking at what gets sent makes it pretty easy to work though.

Oh yeah just great, put Davis into another crazed "green dot" type situation

I get the reference but can't tell if you're really concerned or joking?  I do this type of stuff because I find it interesting and fun, certainly not to cause trouble.  I can back off.

Well we certainly know what happened with the loggers and for some reason I just can't imagine Davis wearing a third party upload to WeatherLink.com without some flack. And oh no I'm not joking, every time I get caught out with a bloody logger not working with an envoy or console I grit my teeth, especially when you have quite a few of these things but nothing now is totally interchangeable. it only takes a minority of so called smart people to stuff it up for the majority.
Title: Re: Weatherlink.com 2.0 announced
Post by: saratogaWX on January 06, 2018, 06:17:34 PM
Davis have indicted they are going to making available an API in a few months anyway though
but not sure if that would be to upload data , maybe just to get data to use in different ways
A JSON query for the data (like the current V1.0 XML query) would be very useful.  I have a WLCOM plugin to the Saratoga templates (as does Wim's Leuven template) that depends on the XML currently available on the V1.0 site.  So far, the V2.0 site offers only the following paltry JSON from their map
Quote
{
   "sStation": "SaratogaWX VP2+",
   "temperature": "55",
   "temperatureUnit": "°F",
   "windSpeed": "0",
   "windSpeedUnit": "mph",
   "windDirection": "--",
   "barometer": "30.19",
   "barometerUnit": "in Hg",
   "barometerTrend": 0,
   "humidity": "92",
   "dailyRain": "0.06",
   "rainUnit": "in",
   "isDavisStation": false,
   "links": {
      "details": "/bulletin/57dd6b71-9f50-4607-8d6b-ab7918067c4c"
   },
   "lastUpdatedAt": "Jan 06, 2018/ 4:44 AM",
   "ageInSeconds": 52,
   "zonedDateTime": 1515242641.000000000
}
and that's not really enough to display on a website other than the 'now' conditions.  :(

The XML feed on 1.0 returned a wealth of info (including extra sensors, and all the 'tags' that WeatherLink software would return).

Their V2.0 Data page offers a 'download' of a CSV, but.. you have to specify the date range, then they'll send you an email with a link to do the download.  Not at all helpful for a near realtime query.  Grrrr.
Title: Re: Weatherlink.com 2.0 announced
Post by: johnd on January 07, 2018, 03:45:20 AM
Well we certainly know what happened with the loggers and for some reason I just can't imagine Davis wearing a third party upload to WeatherLink.com without some flack.

I'd echo that 100%. It's an interesting coding exercise to replicate the 2.0 uploads, but I really can't imagine that Davis would welcome any serious attempt to use it across multiple accounts - wl.com is very much a Davis only platform and what mileage would there be for Davis in opening it up to all-comers? My guess is very much that:

1. There's presumably at least some level of authentication in the upload packets - presumably at least at the DID/MAC address level. At a guess you couldn't use an existing DID nor one that hadn't been allocated by Davis, so that's one hurdle to start with.

2. If you do find a way around [1] then I'd guess that a v6.1 of the WL program would happen quite quickly with enhanced authentication. (I think it's only the WL program uploads that this is relevant to, and not WLIP/Connect/EM).
Title: Re: Weatherlink.com 2.0 announced
Post by: SLOweather on January 07, 2018, 08:43:57 AM

I'd echo that 100%. It's an interesting coding exercise to replicate the 2.0 uploads, but I really can't imagine that Davis would welcome any serious attempt to use it across multiple accounts - wl.com is very much a Davis only platform and what mileage would there be for Davis in opening it up to all-comers?

Agreed. I think that's the main problem with Wunderground... Making an upload protocol public and then letting anyone do it, with any POS "weather station". For our project, we control the uploading hardware and protocol, and have server side authentication via public unit ID and private passcode. Plus, we can change a remote unit's update timer at the time of an update. (and turn the console back light on and off if we want. :))
Title: Re: Weatherlink.com 2.0 announced
Post by: SLOweather on January 07, 2018, 08:58:17 AM

I'm really tempted to write a stand-alone uploader...

If you want to write one, you could try one for https://www.grovestreams.com. There you can upload any data, and they have a free plan. I searched the forum and didn't get any hits on grovestreams.com.

I'm going to try my hand at a simple one "Real Soon Now".
Title: Re: Weatherlink.com 2.0 announced
Post by: Aardvark on January 07, 2018, 10:34:24 AM
For storing historical ,  I presently use :  https://www.setcronjob.com

It isn't free, but so far it does the job.
Title: Re: Weatherlink.com 2.0 announced
Post by: shakasha on January 09, 2018, 05:05:04 AM
Just signed up for the 2.0.

I see the wind gusts do not match the 1.0 data. This is what I ran into using the xml feed. I hope I will be able to see true wind gusts in 2.0 especially now that I just paid for a year.

Thankfully WL6.0.3 does download gusts data.
Title: Re: Weatherlink.com 2.0 announced
Post by: wicked on January 09, 2018, 11:51:01 AM
Just signed up for the 2.0.

I see the wind gusts do not match the 1.0 data. This is what I ran into using the xml feed. I hope I will be able to see true wind gusts in 2.0 especially now that I just paid for a year.

Thankfully WL6.0.3 does download gusts data.

I will need to compare mine. Does interval matter at all?
Title: Re: Weatherlink.com 2.0 announced
Post by: shakasha on January 09, 2018, 12:15:10 PM
The more I look at it, I think I am not seeing my station at all. None of the data matches up. When I first signed up I saw "Davis VP2 ISS" and assumed the site was showing me my station. So I got excited and paid for a year and it appears my station has not migrated yet? I don't see it on a map and can't get to it via search. UGH.
(http://007computer.com/screens1.jpg)
Title: Re: Weatherlink.com 2.0 announced
Post by: wvdkuil on January 09, 2018, 12:18:30 PM
The more I look at it, I think I am not seeing my station at all. None of the data matches up. When I first signed up I saw "Davis VP2 ISS" and assumed the site was showing me my station. So I got excited and paid for a year and it appears my station has not migrated yet? I don't see it on a map and can't get to it via search. UGH.
The wl.com v1 stations will be migrated later this year.
As explained in one of the first messages in this topic:

Remember this is going to happen in two phases:

Phase I: New registrants to wl.com will see v2, but existing users will continue as is;

Phase II: Existing users will be migrated across to v2 by June 2018, maybe sooner;


Wim
Title: Re: Weatherlink.com 2.0 announced
Post by: shakasha on January 09, 2018, 12:28:53 PM
Quote
The wl.com v1 stations will be migrated later this year.
As explained in one of the first messages in this topic:


Quote from: johnd on November 27, 2017, 05:37:03 PM
I went to the WeatherLink home page from another source and had no idea there was a discussion going on here until AFTER I paid for what seemed like a good deal. The data was "close enough" to what we have on Clearwater Beach when I looked at this morning and saw the historical data and just thought it was from our station. I assumed when I signed up for WL2.0 it would give my MY data. It sure didn't say anything during the buying process. It wasn't until I started looking at the wind gusts that I noticed something was wrong. I still thought it was our station, but figured the 2.0 wasn't bringing in the gust speeds correctly.

Note that even though I have 1.0 account, the WL Home Page prompts to sign up for 2.0. Maybe they should have some explanation there...

 :?
Title: Re: Weatherlink.com 2.0 announced
Post by: shakasha on January 09, 2018, 12:45:05 PM
Just spoke with Customer Support regarding my purchase of a year 2.0 when my station has not been migrated. He offered to cancel my 1.0 account and move the station to the 2.0, but all archived data would be lost. It was tempting since the station is only a few months old. But I opted to wait for the migration which will bring in the old data. He expressed they hope for Spring but it could take longer. He also cancelled my Pro account for now so I won't be billed.

Good customer service.

Title: Re: Weatherlink.com 2.0 announced
Post by: jgentry on March 10, 2018, 09:32:30 PM
John, Do you know if growers can calculate chill hours (using different models including dynamic model) and growing degree hours on WL 2.0 website and mobilize app?
Title: Weatherlink.com 2.0 announced
Post by: drew on April 17, 2018, 11:41:36 PM
It seems Davis has added an “embeddable link” to the device setup page on WL2.0.

It looks to be the replacement for the “blue sky” image. It’s simple, but I like it.

You can see it on my site below:

http://shoalsweather.net/fhs/
http://shoalsweather.net/northflorence/
Title: Re: Weatherlink.com 2.0 announced
Post by: wicked on April 17, 2018, 11:55:20 PM
Nice
Title: Re: Weatherlink.com 2.0 announced
Post by: johnd on April 18, 2018, 03:17:17 AM
It seems Davis has added an “embeddable link” to the device setup page on WL2.0.

Yes, has been flagged up in other recent threads here. But if you use it then do keep an eye on the URL. The 2.0 version recently seems to have changed from the base URL to base URL/regular so it will no longer work for anyone who used the previous version until updated to include /regular.

And the fact that /regular is now needed makes me wonder whether there aren't other versions planned (maybe even there now). Certainly a somewhat smaller version (70-80%) of the same thing would be good - the 520px of the current version is really a little too big to include except as a block feature on many web pages.
Title: Re: Weatherlink.com 2.0 announced
Post by: casacota on April 21, 2018, 08:51:43 AM

Yes, has been flagged up in other recent threads here. But if you use it then do keep an eye on the URL. The 2.0 version recently seems to have changed from the base URL to base URL/regular so it will no longer work for anyone who used the previous version until updated to include /regular.

And the fact that /regular is now needed makes me wonder whether there aren't other versions planned (maybe even there now). Certainly a somewhat smaller version (70-80%) of the same thing would be good - the 520px of the current version is really a little too big to include except as a block feature on many web pages.

There are now some other formats: www.casacota.cat/perl?num=1524315036
Title: Re: Weatherlink.com 2.0 announced
Post by: johnd on April 21, 2018, 12:52:50 PM
There are now some other formats: www.casacota.cat/perl?num=1524315036

Yes, for anyone who's not aware: If you look under Device in your wl.com 2.0 station account you'll see that the submenus have been extended and there is now station_embed and station_url options. (Not quite sure why both are there - they seem to mostly overlap in function - maybe there is some further functionality yet to be added?)
Title: Re: Weatherlink.com 2.0 announced
Post by: dalecoy on April 21, 2018, 05:25:39 PM
Yes, for anyone who's not aware: If you look under Device in your wl.com 2.0 station account you'll see there is now ......station_embed and station_url options. (Not quite sure why both are there - they seem to mostly overlap in function - maybe there is some further functionality yet to be added?)

Please describe what those options do.
Title: Re: Weatherlink.com 2.0 announced
Post by: waiukuweather on April 21, 2018, 05:30:28 PM
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Station Embed
Use the embeddable link below to embed your station data to your website.

Station URL
Share your station URL to let someone see your station without signing up.
Title: Re: Weatherlink.com 2.0 announced
Post by: Aardvark on April 21, 2018, 05:45:04 PM
I appreciate the information.
Title: Re: Weatherlink.com 2.0 announced
Post by: dalecoy on April 21, 2018, 07:34:11 PM
Quote
Station URL
Share your station URL to let someone see your station without signing up.

Translation, please.  I understood "Station Embed" to mean it's something that I could include in the .html of my website, to show what's showing on WeatherLink.com.  But what's the "Station URL"?  ("your station URL"?)

Or am I totally missing something here?
Title: Re: Weatherlink.com 2.0 announced
Post by: waiukuweather on April 21, 2018, 07:46:45 PM
but I just copied it straight from what is shown on the weatherlink.com web site
send Davis an email
Title: Re: Weatherlink.com 2.0 announced
Post by: Mattk on April 21, 2018, 08:03:14 PM
Quote
Station URL
Share your station URL to let someone see your station without signing up.

Translation, please.  I understood "Station Embed" to mean it's something that I could include in the .html of my website, to show what's showing on WeatherLink.com.  But what's the "Station URL"?  ("your station URL"?)

Or am I totally missing something here?

Well that would be a URL to display what V1.0 currently shows up in a browser?
Title: Re: Weatherlink.com 2.0 announced
Post by: Aardvark on April 21, 2018, 08:12:19 PM
WL2 what that stuff is , isn't the same information that WL has.  I mean you can see the summary as with this abbreviated item, and the summary showing things such as other sensors, such as soil moisture/temperature which would be a very important item left out.   I am not worried about it right now,  because I have a webpage that the WL2.0 feeds.  But I am not going the route of getting a https://   i.e. ssl certificate and pay a lot of annual money..  Having an url that leads to more information being sent  I would say is preferable.
Title: Re: Weatherlink.com 2.0 announced
Post by: Mattk on April 21, 2018, 08:29:08 PM
If there is no direct public parallel access to WL V2.0 without everybody having to create their own private login (just to view) then I will be taking a different approach and probably won't even use the IP logger any further. Technology is such today that we really don't have to put up with this dictated Davis approach.   
Title: Re: Weatherlink.com 2.0 announced
Post by: waiukuweather on April 22, 2018, 12:13:58 AM
but
this statement on their web site means you do not have to login or have a weather link account, I would have thought
Quote
Station URL
Share your station URL to let someone see your station without signing up.
Title: Re: Weatherlink.com 2.0 announced
Post by: johnd on April 22, 2018, 03:49:48 AM
this statement on their web site means you do not have to login or have a weather link account, I would have thought

Yes exactly. Until now, there was no simple mechanism to embed a snapshot of live weather readings from 2.0 in your own webpage. The switch to DID-based stations in 2.0 from username-based in 1.0 meant that the mechanism for the blue-sky graphic in 1.0 no longer works in a comparable way in 2.0. But this has now been fixed in 2.0 and, to reiterate, you no longer to log into a wl.com account to see the new live weather graphic, which can be easily embedded in your own web page with the iframe code provided.

For anyone wishing to see examples of the three new graphic options, follow the link provided by casacota upthread. Or alternatively just look at your wl.com 2.0 account under Device and check out the preview buttons under eg station_embed,

It's not obvious at present (to me at least) why there are both station_embed and station_url options. My guess upthread was that further features are due to be added to one or both which will make them more distinct, but details aren't clear yet.

Edit: Actually, just looking at the two submenus a little more, it's clear that the station_url option is just the bare URL for one of the three panel formats and so could be used for a link, whereas the station_embed has exactly the same URL but enclosed in an iframe block and hence directly embeddable in a page.
Title: Re: Weatherlink.com 2.0 announced
Post by: dalecoy on April 22, 2018, 10:17:46 AM
So, these are features that I would pay $47.40 per year, to have available?

[Not an objection - just making sure that I understand]
Title: Re: Weatherlink.com 2.0 announced
Post by: johnd on April 22, 2018, 10:23:55 AM
So, these are features that I would pay $47.40 per year, to have available?

Haven't heard yet I'm afraid. My guess - and only a total guess - is that eg regular and maybe the other two will be on the free tier while future more advanced options will be Pro. Someone on Basic should be able to take a look now and see if they can see the embed menu.
Title: Re: Weatherlink.com 2.0 announced
Post by: PaulMy on April 22, 2018, 10:42:03 AM
I have only the free version, not the WeatherlinkIP nor subscription, and see both Station Embed, and Station URL on my weatherlink.com Device Menu after login
https://www.weatherlink.com/embeddablePage/show/5bde20fad76d4c9b928b41bbbfde8791/wide
https://www.weatherlink.com/embeddablePage/show/5bde20fad76d4c9b928b41bbbfde8791/slim
https://www.weatherlink.com/embeddablePage/show/5bde20fad76d4c9b928b41bbbfde8791/signature

The station embed works on my www.komokaweather.com

Enjoy,
Paul
Title: Re: Weatherlink.com 2.0 announced
Post by: dalecoy on April 22, 2018, 12:14:52 PM
I have only the free version, not the WeatherlinkIP nor subscription, and see both Station Embed, and Station URL on my weatherlink.com Device Menu after login

OK, please help me out here.  I have a VP2 with serial logger (not a WeatherLinkIP logger), and I'm running WeatherLink 6.0.3

I'm registered with WeatherLink 2.0, have a DID and a key, and the WeatherLink software is uploading data to WeatherLink.com - I can see the current data.  (Station name is ValleyForge, located just SouthEast of Kansas City, Missouri).

I just have a basic (free) membership.

I have logged in to WeatherLink, but I don't see a "Device Menu".  Where should I click to see that?  Or what am I misunderstanding?
Title: Re: Weatherlink.com 2.0 announced
Post by: johnd on April 22, 2018, 12:16:53 PM
Click on the spanner (sorry, wrench), upper right. If you can't see that then click first on the hamburger.
Title: Re: Weatherlink.com 2.0 announced
Post by: dalecoy on April 22, 2018, 12:41:07 PM
Click on the spanner (sorry, wrench), upper right. If you can't see that then click first on the hamburger.

Thanks!   :eek:

That sure wasn't obvious (to me).
Title: Re: Weatherlink.com 2.0 announced
Post by: wicked on April 22, 2018, 01:40:02 PM
Great stuff thanks - I am in WL 2.0 all the time but never bothered to dig back into those menus after setting it up.

Wish you could customize what it shows.  I hate that Davis does not show THSW on bulletin page - be nice to have it on these new links also.
Title: Re: Weatherlink.com 2.0 announced
Post by: PaulMy on May 09, 2018, 10:07:05 AM
Just noticed that at log in there is an additional link for old Weatherlink users. or had I missed that before.
Quote
WL (https://www.weatherlink.com/)

  Why Weatherlink? (https://www.davisnet.com/weatherlink) Pricing (https://www.davisnet.com/weatherlink/#wlpricing) Log In (https://www.weatherlink.com/login)

    Welcome to WeatherLink 2.0Access all of your EnviroMonitor for personal weather station data, all in one place. 

  (https://www.weatherlink.com/static/img/home/WeatherLink1Banner.svg)

I updated my station in wl,com v.2.0 for the new VP2 Plus and now bulletin shows solar, et and uv.

Enjoy,
Paul
Title: Re: Weatherlink.com 2.0 announced
Post by: miraculon on May 09, 2018, 10:33:10 AM
For those of you running "legacy" WL and upgrading to 2.0, are you all paying for it?
I refuse to pay extra for it, being cheap  :lol:
I thought that there was a rollout for prior users of WL coming "soon"....

Greg H.
Title: Re: Weatherlink.com 2.0 announced
Post by: johnd on May 09, 2018, 01:44:27 PM
For those of you running "legacy" WL and upgrading to 2.0, are you all paying for it?
I refuse to pay extra for it, being cheap  :lol:
I thought that there was a rollout for prior users of WL coming "soon"....

That's not really an accurate summary. Moving to 2.0 is separate from paying anything.

2.0 has two tiers: Basic (free) which gives you access to Bulletin, storage of 10,000 records, mobile app and certain other basic features. Pro adds access to the Data and Chart menus plus other things.

If you're already on 1.0 then you should have the option of  moving across to the 2.0 platform sometime in the next 2-3 months (was due to be by the end of June, but one or two straws in the wind that this may be slipping a bit).

For those on 1.0 and uploading via WLv6 (doesn't apply to other uploads like IP, Connect etc) then there's nothing to stop you abandoning the 1.0 account and reregistering for 2.0, which as above is free if you're content with the Basic tier, But of course you'll lose continuity with your existing account and maybe a little confusion down the line when your 1.0 account is due for migration to 2.0.
Title: Re: Weatherlink.com 2.0 announced
Post by: casacota on June 15, 2018, 01:39:14 PM
Well, be carefull. I had an paid account on Weatherlink 2.0. Since I had also some other stations on Weatherlink 1.0 I did migrate these on my PRO account. As a result, my paid account is no longer PRO, althought paid. This is an unacceptable bug!
Title: Re: Weatherlink.com 2.0 announced
Post by: Old Tele man on June 15, 2018, 01:56:41 PM
Like I said, "new" bugs are not worth rushing out and signing up for.

All I want is the SAME functions as were 'paid for' when the Davis WeatherLink-IP software was purchased...nothing more, nothing less.
Title: Re: Weatherlink.com 2.0 announced
Post by: johnd on June 19, 2018, 03:12:58 AM
Well, be carefull. I had an paid account on Weatherlink 2.0. Since I had also some other stations on Weatherlink 1.0 I did migrate these on my PRO account. As a result, my paid account is no longer PRO, althought paid. This is an unacceptable bug!

Have you tried to place more than 3 non-cell (ie USB or IP logger) stations in one account? If so then this will be the explanation. You need to move stations beyond the 3 to another account and, if required, upgrade to Pro on that second (etc) account also.

To put it another way: A Pro account allows UP TO 3 logger (non-cell) stations on a single account but no more. Pro is not a way of having an unlimited number of logger stations at Pro tier on an account with just one upgrade payment. Cell stations (Connect or EM) shouldn't count towards this total.

Sounds like you need to talk to Davis to move the 'extra' stations out to another account.
Title: Re: Weatherlink.com 2.0 announced
Post by: casacota on June 19, 2018, 03:18:29 AM
You're right, this was the explanation. Only 3 devices on a single PRO account. Basic accounts don't have this limitation.


Well, be carefull. I had an paid account on Weatherlink 2.0. Since I had also some other stations on Weatherlink 1.0 I did migrate these on my PRO account. As a result, my paid account is no longer PRO, althought paid. This is an unacceptable bug!

Have you tried to place more than 3 non-cell (ie USB or IP logger) stations in one account? If so then this will be the explanation. You need to move stations beyond the 3 to another account and, if required, upgrade to Pro on that second (etc) account also.

To put it another way: A Pro account allows UP TO 3 logger (non-cell) stations on a single account but no more. Pro is not a way of having an unlimited number of logger stations on an account with just one upgrade payment. Cell stations (Connect or EM) shouldn't count towards this total.

Sounds like you need to talk to Davis to move the 'extra' stations out to another account.
Title: Re: Weatherlink.com 2.0 announced
Post by: ephyra on June 19, 2018, 06:23:02 PM

Hello everybody. Perhaps my question has been already answered above. I would appreciate in the case someone helps me.
I have completed the migration of my Davis Vantage Pro 2 to Weatherlink 2.0 following the
guidelines sent by a recent email by Davis. I understand that my old WeatherLink 1.0 account was deleted.
 Until today I have been using the traditional computer software Weather link 6.0.3 in order to download
the data from Davis Servers through web download. I used my username and password. The data was uploaded to their servers
via Weatherlink IP that I have been using for almost a decade. Unfortunately the weather station is placed in a remote location
and I do not have a pc running there. After the station migration, I cannot download data and the message "no new data
to download" appears.
I am also using these days the Weatherlink Pro trial to see the data, all appears well on their Cloud however the data before migration is missing.
Is there a chance to continue downloading data on my WL 6.0.3 somehow? I got no response from Davis.
Many thanks in advance!
Title: Re: Weatherlink.com 2.0 announced
Post by: Mattk on June 19, 2018, 06:29:59 PM
Ephyra, I am going through the process with 1 test station at present and don't have all the answers as yet but at this point it does appear V1 migrated data is not downloadable from the V2 site, only new data uploaded to the V2 site. Then again I am not running Pro just the basic version, unsure how this affects things?

You shouldn't have to do anything with your remote setup (as such) but you should upgrade WeatherLink from 6.0.3 to 6.0.4 where you will be able to input the logger DID in the Web Download box. WeatherLink 6.0.4 is only an upgrade and can be downloaded from the Davis support pages
Title: Re: Weatherlink.com 2.0 announced
Post by: ephyra on June 19, 2018, 06:55:41 PM
Mattk, thank you very very much for the reply! I already upgraded to 6.0.4 and now I can download the data as before. This saved me a lot of time.

I upgraded to the Weatherlink Pro plan today (trial version for 30 days) and indeed I cannot download data before the migration from WLv1 to WLv2. The graphics are better, I have not explored everything yet. Someone can download data (excel format) but the downside is that the list of variables is different to the one for data downloaded directly from their servers via weatherlink 6.0.4. So it will be a bit challenging to merge the two datasets (but it is doable).

The one thing that is striking, even in the basic version, is that the data in the wind rose sometimes seems to be from other ... stations... The units keep changing to unwanted choices (from knots to mph or m/sec) and I do not have full control of it. Has anyone else noticed that same?

Again many thanks!
Title: Re: Weatherlink.com 2.0 announced
Post by: johnd on June 20, 2018, 03:56:43 AM
Someone can download data (excel format) but the downside is that the list of variables is different to the one for data downloaded directly from their servers via weatherlink 6.0.4. So it will be a bit challenging to merge the two datasets (but it is doable).

This is really no different to 1.0. If you want to download the archive data into local Weatherlink for Windows then you can continue to do that - no problem (just remember to use the DID in place of username). The text download direct from 2.0 resembles the Browse|Export feature in local WL - the order/name etc of the data there has always been different from the archive downloads, quite apart from one being binary and the other text. And you do also have the option of eg JSON downloads from 2.0 via the API.

But, also, in 2.0 the format has to be extensible because the range of sensors is much more open-ended than was ever the case with 1.0. Quite apart from EM, just suppose (wild speculation here) that there was a VP3 being readied for launch that allowed 2 or 3 anemometers or rain gauges on a station. How you could you fit that data easily into the old fixed format?

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The one thing that is striking, even in the basic version, is that the data in the wind rose sometimes seems to be from other ... stations... The units keep changing to unwanted choices (from knots to mph or m/sec) and I do not have full control of it. Has anyone else noticed that same?

I don't know why you're seeing an issue - in general the wind data presentation is fine and stable.
Title: Re: Weatherlink.com 2.0 announced
Post by: Mattk on June 20, 2018, 06:42:05 AM
One thing that is totally lacking is any reference to date/time as there is no indication on the WeatherLink Bulletin or Summary of any Date/Time and just how up to date or not the info is.

The only indication I can find of any data currency is on the station URL links which aren't something an owner is really going to check much anyway but one would have thought data Date & Time completeness would show on both Bulletin pages? 

It does appear a lot of useful station feedback data/info that was available on V1 has not been included in V2?
Title: Re: Weatherlink.com 2.0 announced
Post by: johnd on June 20, 2018, 07:24:10 AM
One thing that is totally lacking is any reference to date/time as there is no indication on the WeatherLink Bulletin or Summary of any Date/Time and just how up to date or not the info is.

The last update time is there, but you need the tools pane on the right-hand side closed to see it (you can reopen it with the hamburger, top-right) - it's not ideal UI design but it is there.

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It does appear a lot of useful station feedback data/info that was available on V1 has not been included in V2?

Well, do make some feedback to support@weatherlink.com . I suspect that the developers are pretty busy right now implementing eg the data sharing option and one or two other things due by end of Q2, plus preparing for the mass migration. But I'd guess that in a few weeks' time they'll be ready to listen to feedback.
Title: Re: Weatherlink.com 2.0 announced
Post by: PaulMy on June 20, 2018, 10:07:04 AM
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The last update time is there, but you need the tools pane on the right-hand side closed to see it (you can reopen it with the hamburger, top-right) - it's not ideal UI design but it is there.
@johnd can you indicate exactly where I can see the latest update time/date?  I have often looked for it and just can't see it anywhere.  Is it perhaps because I am uploading with WiFiLogger and using free version?
Paul


Title: Re: Weatherlink.com 2.0 announced
Post by: johnd on June 20, 2018, 10:41:01 AM
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The last update time is there, but you need the tools pane on the right-hand side closed to see it (you can reopen it with the hamburger, top-right) - it's not ideal UI design but it is there.
@johnd can you indicate exactly where I can see the latest update time/date?  I have often looked for it and just can't see it anywhere.  Is it perhaps because I am uploading with WiFiLogger and using free version?

I doubt that it's anything to do with the WFL but can't be 100% sure.

To see the upload time you must have the tools pane on the right hand side of eg the Bulletin screen closed. If you can see an 'x' in the top right within the Bulletin screen then the tools pane is likely still open. The last update time is then on the right of the second title line - the same line as the station name and the icons for the Bulletin or Summary display. As before, if an update times out the reported last update time turns red.
Title: Re: Weatherlink.com 2.0 announced
Post by: PaulMy on June 20, 2018, 10:50:08 AM
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To see the upload time you must have the tools pane on the right hand side of eg the Bulletin screen closed. If you can see an 'x' in the top right of the screen then the tools pane is likely still open.
Got it :oops: , thanks John,
Paul
Title: Re: Weatherlink.com 2.0 announced
Post by: Mattk on June 21, 2018, 01:27:24 AM
Yep found it now too. I have really been looking hard at and thinking about V2 over the past few days with 1 test station manually migrated but I have been gradually loosing a real feel for V2 and today it has appeared to be dead all day so haven't done much with it today.

V2 really has an uneasy feel about it ATM, too little info compared to V1 and too much self advertising imbedded in URL's with quite a few little quirks and missing info. Hopefully before any rash bulk migration the entire systems needs some jigging and a bit more time to settle down.   
Title: Re: Weatherlink.com 2.0 announced
Post by: johnd on June 21, 2018, 03:49:16 AM
The timetable for the mass migration was for it to happen by the end of June - less than 10 days' time. I don't know whether that's still the plan or if it's slipped a bit, but we're certainly expecting it within eg the next 3-4 weeks, unless Davis announce a stay of execution.

I doubt that the data presentation is going to change much - that's all been working quite robustly for the past many months. Any outage yesterday was maybe down to the Australian part of AWS (in the Amazon sense that is) - all seemed fine here in Europe. Most remaining tweaks seem to be with account admin and eg the introduction of data sharing as is currently possible on 2.0 with EM systems.

But don't just moan here - tell Davis about what you're dissatisfied with - if you don't tell them they'll never know. Email eg support@weatherlink.com .
Title: Re: Weatherlink.com 2.0 announced
Post by: Mattk on June 21, 2018, 06:44:57 AM
Back on line now.

No doubt if some of the finer points remain unfixed then we will make some notification but right now still getting into understanding and just how to make the best decisions re managing multiple stations. What I don't want to have to do is suddenly find oh no that was the wrong thing to do then possibly find can't back out and change direction or can't get Davis to move, change or re-hash the station setup etc   

Maybe other users can confirm a couple of issues?
Daily summary email shows "Last Updated: -" on the right hand side opposite the Davis logo but doesn't show a date
IE has some issues displaying the Signature URL 

The " Shop Weather Stations at www.davis...... etc" needs a re-think away from the continual sales pitch/subscription feel that hits you ay every turn with V2. Sure run a footer but please not something like " Shop Weather Stations at ......" really irksome. The footer of V1 provides much better info, more info, more detail, provides reference and doesn't sound like a 3 day sale advetisement 

 
Title: Re: Weatherlink.com 2.0 announced
Post by: johnd on June 21, 2018, 07:47:14 AM
Maybe other users can confirm a couple of issues?

My personal bugbear is just how narrow the scrollbar is on the station selector list when you have multiple stations in an account. Gets me every day!

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IE has some issues displaying the Signature URL 

That's the penance you have to do for still using IE ;)

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The " Shop Weather Stations at www.davis...... etc" needs a re-think away from the continual sales pitch/subscription feel that hits you ay every turn with V2.

You can maybe imagine how pleased non-US dealers are with that tagline!
Title: Re: Weatherlink.com 2.0 announced
Post by: PaulMy on June 21, 2018, 09:25:44 AM
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Maybe other users can confirm a couple of issues?
Daily summary email shows "Last Updated: -" on the right hand side opposite the Davis logo but doesn't show a date
IE has some issues displaying the Signature URL 
No date for me either.
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Last Updated: --
 
 
Gateway: KomokaWeather
 
Weather Station     
Temp     13.7 °C
High Temp     20.5 °C at 12:04 AM
Low Temp     15.2 °C at 5:58 AM
Hum     81.0 %
Heat Index     13.9 °C
Wind Chill     13.9 °C
Dew Point     10.6 °C
Barometer     1010.5 hPa
Wind Speed     0.0 km/h
Wind Direction     
High Wind Speed     16.1 km/h at 8:07 AM
10 Min Avg Wind     0.0 km/h
Rain Rate     0.0 mm/h
Day Rain     0.0 mm
Month Rain     23.8 mm
Year Rain     280.8 mm
Solar Rad     0 W/m^2
High Solar Rad     0 W/m^2 at --
UV Index     0.0
High UV Index     0.0 at --
 
 
This email has been sent to xxxx@komokaweather.com at your request.
Davis Instruments Inc., 3465 Diablo Ave, Hayward, CA 94545

I can't get it to fully load using IE10

Paul

Title: Re: Weatherlink.com 2.0 announced
Post by: Mattk on June 22, 2018, 03:25:48 AM
I haven't come across the answer so maybe a query for John?

IF Davis bulk migrate stations from V1 to V2 and for argument sake they are called A, B, C, D, E, F etc then my guess V2 would be separate accounts, separate logins for accounts/stations A, B, C, D, E & F etc?

Can the user being the owner then modify/re-arrange the stations into separate groups or would Davis have to do this? So I want leave A as is (single station in it's own account), roll station C into B account this have stations B & C in account B, account C would now be empty, then roll D, E & F together into a totally different new account leaving accounts D, E & F empty?

Understandable if I manually migrate these stations (now) then I get them the way I want but if Davis does this in the dark of night what flexibility does one have after the event? 
Title: Re: Weatherlink.com 2.0 announced
Post by: johnd on June 22, 2018, 05:25:31 AM
I haven't come across the answer so maybe a query for John?

Sorry, I don't know - there's not been any announcement as yet from Davis about such details. The issues like the one you've raised are probably what's being worked on right now. Although all the fundamentals of 2.0 seem to be solid and working well, there are a surprising number of edge cases and particular circumstances that are having to be worked through.

It's not even clear as yet whether there is going to be a mass/involuntary migration instituted by Davis or if instead they will circulate an email highlighting the manual migrate option and inviting users to migrate themselves, maybe with a future date (eg 31st Dec 2018 after which migration will be enforced). I just don't know which option will be preferred.

If I hear anything more then I'll post here. FWIW, I do think that 2.0 is a real step forwards and that any short-term pain will be worth it in the long run. There will certainly be details that don't suit everyone but it would be good to think that Davis will listen to feedback and tweak things accordingly (but probably not until the migration is complete or at least well under way).
Title: Re: Weatherlink.com 2.0 announced
Post by: Mattk on June 22, 2018, 05:44:32 AM
I did email a list of V2 "concerns" today and received an automatic response re changes to the API with a proviso that if I was emailing about another topic then to please standby for a reply as soon as possible. The wheels they are a turning.
Title: Re: Weatherlink.com 2.0 announced
Post by: johnd on August 13, 2018, 03:19:00 AM
Seems likely that that there will be some changes to 2.0 accounts imminently, maybe even today, including the ability to share data (but by invitation from the station owner only I'm guessing). But sharing will need a Pro account (or higher).

There are also indications that the mass migration of remaining 1.0 stations will happen in batches during September, though that's yet to be confirmed and I guess the speed of migration will depend on reaction from the first batch. There are potentially many users (I'd estimate 75-80%) still on 1.0 and maybe some of them will find things to complain about on 2.0 - I'll be surprised if there are too many actual technical problems with the migration because this appears to be quite well sorted now, but unfamiliarity with the 2.0 interface will doubtless upset some.
Title: Re: Weatherlink.com 2.0 announced
Post by: Mattk on August 13, 2018, 04:01:33 AM
Well they need to sort their bugs out yet before they mass migrate anything, they have been told, some minimal as this point but generally thanks for your email we will get back to you soon.

The more they push certain aspects of V2 in regard trying to push people in Pro then they are going to get some backlash as I for one will have absolutely no problem with dumping the entire V2 scheme. period.
Title: Re: Weatherlink.com 2.0 announced
Post by: johnd on August 13, 2018, 05:03:43 AM
What are the actual bugs as opposed to features that may have changed vs 1.0? I'm not sure that I'm aware of any remaining bugs as such (ie features that aren't working as designed) - not saying there aren't any of course, but there's nothing I can think of right now that falls into the bug category.

But certainly there are and will be different ways of doing things with 2.0. And sure, if people find them too limiting then I guess they'll vote with their feet (or by not opening their wallets). But it's not too obvious what the alternatives are if you want a cloud platform for weather data with the various features and flexibility of 2.0.
Title: Re: Weatherlink.com 2.0 announced
Post by: Mattk on August 13, 2018, 06:22:20 AM
One of the Key points from Davis was V2 would not take away any V1 functionality. Well so far I for one don't see this as being the case.

Some of the issues/bugs I have are currently in the system somewhere but unsure when there many be a resolution or fix. At this point Davis have the details, if there's no fix then I will certainly expand. 

Just for the record there is not a lot of flexibility from V2 at the moment, becoming Davis's way or the highway, their choice in this instance. 
Title: Re: Weatherlink.com 2.0 announced
Post by: miraculon on August 13, 2018, 09:12:08 AM
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Well so far I for one don't see this as being the case.

One thing that used to work in v1 and does not in v2 is the ability to capture a URL for the old "blue sky" display for any station and bookmark, or set a link in a web page. I used to do just that for local Davis stations.

With the new embedded page with has a code that only the station owner can share, this is no longer possible. Since I subscribe to "Pro" I can view the data in their "Bulletin", but no longer can I embed it in my page.

Greg H.
Title: Re: Weatherlink.com 2.0 announced
Post by: johnd on August 13, 2018, 09:47:40 AM
One thing that used to work in v1 and does not in v2 is the ability to capture a URL for the old "blue sky" display for any station and bookmark, or set a link in a web page. I used to do just that for local Davis stations.

With the new embedded page with has a code that only the station owner can share, this is no longer possible. Since I subscribe to "Pro" I can view the data in their "Bulletin", but no longer can I embed it in my page.

Not 100% sure what you mean:

If you go to a station on the 2.0 map then you can get access to that station's Bulletin and bookmark or otherwise save the URL and then call that up in future.

AFAIK this works from a Basic account, though I've only got a Pro account to hand right now to check from.

The only thing that's changed is that the URL is too long and not very memorable because it contains a UUID (or something similar). But that's partly inevitable because in 2.0 accounts allow multiple stations and so the account name  doesn't uniquely identify a station. I guess Davis could have used the DID in the URL - not really sure why they didn't - but DID's aren't a lot more memorable than a UUID.

But maybe I've missed your point?

Title: Re: Weatherlink.com 2.0 announced
Post by: miraculon on August 13, 2018, 11:50:53 AM
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But maybe I've missed your point?

You did. The bulletin works fine and I can view the data on the other stations. The "embeddable" screen like this: https://www.weatherlink.com/embeddablePage/show/36dd565fa0c34d82a26e2ce9c1b38abb/wide (https://www.weatherlink.com/embeddablePage/show/36dd565fa0c34d82a26e2ce9c1b38abb/wide) requires knowledge of the hex code razzle-dazzle in order to work. This has to be shared by the station owner. (or at least already used on a public web site)

The old "blue cloud" display did not. You could just copy the URL that could be had from the map. Mine now shows as expired, but here is that link: http://www.weatherlink.com/user/miraculon/ (http://www.weatherlink.com/user/miraculon/) The stations that are still active on the V1 map show a link that take you to the "blue cloud" display. That was my point that these were readily usable/accessible for whatever purpose.

Greg H.
Title: Re: Weatherlink.com 2.0 announced
Post by: johnd on August 13, 2018, 12:04:27 PM
OK, so you can no longer embed other peoples' data (in eg the form of the embeddable panel)  in your own website without their permission? Is that the issue?
Title: Re: Weatherlink.com 2.0 announced
Post by: Brientim on August 13, 2018, 03:57:29 PM
I think if you look at Davis’ YouTube video they have addressed sharing in the context this discussion.

https://youtu.be/pN3RzZMB5_c

https://youtu.be/0hl5Rtn5x_k

Title: Re: Weatherlink.com 2.0 announced
Post by: johnd on August 13, 2018, 04:11:08 PM
I think if you look at Davis’ YouTube video they have addressed sharing in the context this discussion.

I don't think that's what miraculon is complaining about - see my previous post.

NB I see that the latest 2.0 update is now active!
Title: Re: Weatherlink.com 2.0 announced
Post by: Mattk on August 13, 2018, 05:29:34 PM
Maybe John can explain what is meant by the terms
- Device Upgrades (between the different tiers)
- Upload rate is noted as 15 minutes for basic. What does this affect, current data or upload/download data?

That RH side bar still needs to do something different or else relocate the upload date/time details which hide behind it. 
Title: Re: Weatherlink.com 2.0 announced
Post by: Mattk on August 13, 2018, 06:07:06 PM
Left of the Share arrow (Bulletin page Top right side left of the Device Tier) there is a ribbon looking box that when clicked blacks out, clicked again clears, have not seen what this may be doing, anybody know?
Title: Re: Weatherlink.com 2.0 announced
Post by: Mattk on August 13, 2018, 07:02:48 PM
Bit of a warning note to be a little careful if you have multiple accounts as for some reason my multiple accounts that had individual stations between them now are showing identical stations in both accounts (separate account name/password) but unsure how the hell the system managed to get cross referenced?   
Title: Re: Weatherlink.com 2.0 announced
Post by: Mattk on August 14, 2018, 03:14:49 AM
Just to confirm be very vary re the sharing with this V2 update last night as it is totally screwing up shared stations and getting absolutely lost then between accounts especially as I have if you have multiple accounts. At this point is as if it is a cookie type problem and logging in to different accounts on the same machine continues to pull up the previous accounts settings?

Not being able to open up 2 or more totally separate accounts in separate windows at the same time on the same machine is also a buggy thing.
Title: Re: Weatherlink.com 2.0 announced
Post by: miraculon on August 14, 2018, 08:34:55 AM
OK, so you can no longer embed other peoples' data (in eg the form of the embeddable panel)  in your own website without their permission? Is that the issue?

There are only three Davis stations in my town.


With the prior scheme, I could just copy the URL and make my own iframe entry. Assuming the permission has been granted, this creates the need to have station owners take the time to capture the iframe URL and email it. Many people (two out of three for me) are either intimidated by the process or don't understand what I am asking for and how to do it.

Greg H.

Title: Re: Weatherlink.com 2.0 announced
Post by: Mattk on August 14, 2018, 04:26:02 PM
With this latest WL2 upgrade there is now an additional option to "Share" a station with another user but this other user needs to have an account and you need to know the other users ID and then in turn the owner can delete this share anytime they like. This share is different to getting the URL for the limited cut down version of what one could do with WL 1.0.

With this latest upgrade there just appears to be more and more of this pro subscription stuff being pushed at every turn. I have pushed this latest failure with multi accounts to support plus some other issues but so far no feedback, so unable to go any further at the moment with migrating any more stations and may simply start looking for the Delete button next.
Title: Re: Weatherlink.com 2.0 announced
Post by: Old Tele man on August 14, 2018, 04:27:57 PM
OK, so you can no longer embed other peoples' data (in eg the form of the embeddable panel)  in your own website without their permission? Is that the issue?

There are only three Davis stations in my town.

  • One is my own.
  • The 2nd is the Marina. I have the Harbormaster's permission and he gave me the login credentials for Weatherlink to manage it for him.
  • The 3rd is a friend who gave me verbal permission to post his data. He hasn't sent me the iframe URL, but I am afraid that he might not understand what I was asking for.

With the prior scheme, I could just copy the URL and make my own iframe entry. Assuming the permission has been granted, this creates the need to have station owners take the time to capture the iframe URL and email it. Many people (two out of three for me) are either intimidated by the process or don't understand what I am asking for and how to do it.

Greg H.

Arthur C Clarkes 3rd Law: "Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic."
Title: Re: Weatherlink.com 2.0 announced
Post by: johnd on August 14, 2018, 04:37:49 PM
@miraculon: OK that sounds an innocent enough scenario, but the problem is that the previous approach was open to easy abuse whereby anyone can come along and steal your data (and potentially aggregate it on a large scale) and leaving you none the wiser?

OK on 2.0 they can still steal your data if they have a pro account, but now they need to know your station DID and the owner's password first.
Title: Re: Weatherlink.com 2.0 announced
Post by: Mattk on August 14, 2018, 05:51:56 PM
Well at the moment I can't even steel my own data even knowing the account and password due to multiple occurrences in multiple accounts. Wouldn't call being able to link to a web page as stealing "data" as the data is something quite separate and a different issue.
Title: Re: Weatherlink.com 2.0 announced
Post by: johnd on August 15, 2018, 07:51:23 AM
Well at the moment I can't even steel my own data even knowing the account and password due to multiple occurrences in multiple accounts.

Not quite sure how you've managed to get the same station in more than account (unless it's an EM station, but I thought you had regular VP2s?). But from now on the principle will be:

Every station will have a single identified owner - in other words it will be owned by a single specific account.

With a Pro account it will be possible to share that station's data with other accounts (within limits) by following the sharing procedures. Sharing means two things really: being able to access the station's Bulletin directly; and being able to download that station's archive data.

But difficult to comment further without knowing the details of your issue.
Title: Re: Weatherlink.com 2.0 announced
Post by: Mattk on August 15, 2018, 02:44:56 PM
Has all been sent to Davis, something for them to sort out. Similar with not being able to open totally different accounts in totally different windows at the same time, don't see the reason why?
Title: Re: Weatherlink.com 2.0 announced
Post by: PaulMy on August 19, 2018, 03:45:11 PM
Just noticed a new feature (weatherlink.com free)In the drop down from my KomokaWeather station name there are 3 items:Owned - which is my stationSaved - which has 3 stations listed 2 of which I can get their Bulletin page (nothing else) and 1 that gives a 500 Internal server errorShared - which is blank.
I have no idea how the 3 saved stations show up as I don't know them nor recall doing anything on this and they are in IA, OH and NE.  Would that have been initiated by those station owners?It seems that this would be a quicker way to go to a favourite site rather than using the Map

Enjoy,Paul
Title: Re: Weatherlink.com 2.0 announced
Post by: johnd on August 19, 2018, 04:15:04 PM
Just noticed a new feature (weatherlink.com free)In the drop down from my KomokaWeather station name there are 3 items:Owned - which is my stationSaved - which has 3 stations listed 2 of which I can get their Bulletin page (nothing else) and 1 that gives a 500 Internal server errorShared - which is blank.

Yes, there are some odd things happening at present, perhaps while Davis get the shares properly sorted out. There are mutterings in the dealer channel.
Title: Re: Weatherlink.com 2.0 announced
Post by: wxmanmhd on August 19, 2018, 07:47:20 PM
Has anyone heard if Weatherlink 2 update going to bring back the NOAA monthly reports?
Title: Re: Weatherlink.com 2.0 announced
Post by: johnd on August 20, 2018, 03:19:16 AM
Has anyone heard if Weatherlink 2 update going to bring back the NOAA monthly reports?

Not heard about anything imminent - I suspect that much of the development effort is currently going into sharing and migration. But I'm sure it will be back before long. Right now your only (Davis) option is to download the archive data into local Weatherlink. (There are third-party options of course  8-) )
Title: Re: Weatherlink.com 2.0 announced
Post by: Mattk on August 20, 2018, 03:38:53 AM
Just noticed a new feature (weatherlink.com free)In the drop down from my KomokaWeather station name there are 3 items:Owned - which is my stationSaved - which has 3 stations listed 2 of which I can get their Bulletin page (nothing else) and 1 that gives a 500 Internal server errorShared - which is blank.

Yes, there are some odd things happening at present, perhaps while Davis get the shares properly sorted out. There are mutterings in the dealer channel.

There is certainly an issue which was introduced when the sharing functions were implemented last week but it does not appear this it is the actual sharing function/option (as such) that is causing what I have seen as a cross link between stations /accounts where no sharing has been involved (yet)?
Title: Re: Weatherlink.com 2.0 announced
Post by: johnd on August 20, 2018, 04:14:14 AM
Well it's actually quite tricky to disentangle what's related to shares, device updates, preparations for migration and general issues to do with promotion of 2.0 and account management. Only Joel and his team of developers know the details.
Title: Re: Weatherlink.com 2.0 announced
Post by: Mattk on August 20, 2018, 05:30:00 AM
Well it's actually quite tricky to disentangle what's related to shares, device updates, preparations for migration and general issues to do with promotion of 2.0 and account management. Only Joel and his team of developers know the details.

Well if they actually know the details then it really should have been fixed by now instead of support having us running around in circles trying things that really have nothing to do with the issue. Some detailed examples have been submitted and confirmed a second time and right now there is no room to move forward until this issue is fixed.

Another issue which is also part of the system problem is the inability to open different accounts at once, this is a fundamental Windows capability and has been so for many generations of Window versions so not sure just what is holding back this fix.
Title: Re: Weatherlink.com 2.0 announced
Post by: drew on August 23, 2018, 08:36:30 PM
I purchased the pro tier when the 2.0 was first available. Updates on the embeddable pages were every 60 seconds until this last update. Now Davis wants $8.95/mo for 60 second updates on the embed links with the Pro+ plan. My stations are only updating every 5 mins now. I’m super unhappy about this.

I have already migrated 2 of my stations to WxSolution and will be moving the third soon. The ability to have RapidFire updates on Wunderground again and custom webpages that I can have auto-refresh every 60 seconds along with no monthly fee is the way for me to go. I’ve been a WeatherLink user since 1998, but this last update has been too much. Thanks Davis for great equipment, but no thanks on the software fiasco called WeatherLink 2.0.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
Title: Re: Weatherlink.com 2.0 announced
Post by: johnd on August 29, 2018, 07:55:40 AM
News that the mass migration from remaining users on 1.0 (ie those who haven't already migrated themselves) to 2.0 will start imminently.

This will apparently be done in batches of a few thousand users and initial email notification will be a 2-week advance alert that migration is scheduled, to be followed by a 1-week reminder, then confirmation that migration has happened and finally a notification that ALL of your previously uploaded archive data is potentially available to see and use (subject to upgrading your account to Pro or Pro+).

Users that have multiple stations associated with the same email address will find that all their stations will be migrated into the same 2.0 account.

I'm guessing that Davis will be monitoring the first migration batch closely and that the exact timing of subsequent batches will depend on any feedback and issues seen. In practice, I doubt that there will be many issues with the migration itself, it will be more about the time taken to process 2-3000 stations' data and the support load for users unfamiliar with 2.0.
Title: Re: Weatherlink.com 2.0 announced
Post by: Mattk on August 29, 2018, 05:50:03 PM
Well I'm still waiting for issues to be fixed in regard my initial trial migration/s. Forced migration may be a little premature but at least if the pre notification actually occurs then that should give enough time to do it the way individuals want not the way Davis wants to force it especially with multiple sites under multiple accounts and different or same emails. 
Title: Re: Weatherlink.com 2.0 announced
Post by: Atlantic21 on August 31, 2018, 01:57:49 AM
Had email from Davis to day

Congratulations!
 
263 days of your weather data, now available on WeatherLink 2.0!
 
 
All historical data for the active WeatherLink 1.0 devices associated with this email address is now available on WeatherLink 2.0. Log in now with your existing WeatherLink 1.0 username and password to visualize past meteorological events in charts and data.

Have checked and all is ok
Title: Re: Weatherlink.com 2.0 announced
Post by: Mattk on August 31, 2018, 02:57:21 AM
Had email from Davis to day

Congratulations!
 
263 days of your weather data, now available on WeatherLink 2.0!
 
 
All historical data for the active WeatherLink 1.0 devices associated with this email address is now available on WeatherLink 2.0. Log in now with your existing WeatherLink 1.0 username and password to visualize past meteorological events in charts and data.

Have checked and all is ok

Did you get prior notification?
Title: Re: Weatherlink.com 2.0 announced
Post by: Atlantic21 on August 31, 2018, 11:56:34 AM
no notification
Title: Re: Weatherlink.com 2.0 announced
Post by: Mattk on September 01, 2018, 07:09:45 PM
The confusion now reigns supreme, and I would suggest if anybody has the ear of Davis (maybe Johnd?/) then they need to impress on Davis this is not being handled very well what so ever. I have yet to see any notice but now have 2 emails to the same email address with totally conflicting details. The first part of each email starts

Quote
..All historical data for the active WeatherLink 1.0 devices associated with this email address is now available on WeatherLink 2.0. Log in now with your existing WeatherLink 1.0 username and password to visualize past meteorological events in charts and data...


Now for a start there are absolutely no Weather 1.0 devices associated with this email address, secondly all my WL 1.0 stations (bar 1 which is still with WL 1.0) have been migrated and there's no way anybody would log on to WL 2.0 with existing WL 1.0 usernames and passwords as WL 1.0 stations have already migrated. So what have this mob done, migrated them again under this WL 2.0 email address using the old WL 1.0 user ID & password as the login on WL 2.0, like WTF.

Mind you there are 2 separate emails for this same email address and there was absolutely no link between WL 1.0 & 2.0 email addresses. even more staggering is the 8,247 days of weatherlink data they claim is now available on weatherLink 2.0! Something like a bit over 22 YEARS, yeah right. Yet the other email states 1,764 days   
Title: Re: Weatherlink.com 2.0 announced
Post by: flyingdutchwx on September 04, 2018, 01:53:25 PM
This forced "migration" to Weatherlink 2.0 is basically a money grab. Davis is likely not selling enough weather stations, so lets use the "subscription" model to supplement our cash flow. Not a buyer at this end. If that means I won't be able to send my data out to Weather Underground or any other third party service, so be it.
I've been trying to add my site to Weatherlink 2.0, but when you hit "device info", you can not adjust the Device ID and key (I never put these in, and they were put in for me). Hence. it will never find my station. Just brutal. Can't Davis afford to have some IT people who aren't working off Windows 95?
Frustration rules.
Title: Re: Weatherlink.com 2.0 announced
Post by: johnd on September 04, 2018, 02:14:31 PM
...Frustration rules...

 ](*,)  ](*,)  ](*,)

So what actually happened when you hit the Migrate button in your new 2.0 account?
Title: Re: Weatherlink.com 2.0 announced
Post by: flyingdutchwx on September 04, 2018, 02:28:23 PM
I log in with my Weatherlink 1.0 username/password, and it takes me to the bulletin screen. The bulletin screen with no data. When I try and configure the settings (which has the Device ID and key), it doesn't give me that option.
Title: Re: Weatherlink.com 2.0 announced
Post by: johnd on September 04, 2018, 02:37:51 PM
Step 1: Create a new account in 2.0 (I'm guessing you haven't done this yet??). Probably best not to reuse the same user name as in 1.0. Then Add Device | Migrate and take it from there!
Title: Re: Weatherlink.com 2.0 announced
Post by: Mattk on September 04, 2018, 06:32:20 PM
For the record it certainly appears Internet explorer (IE 11 at least) has issues running WeatherLink 2.0 especially in relation to Owned, Saved and Shared sites, totally looses the plot in this regard. I have not seen Chrome get confused yet and have stopped using IE. Some of the formatting with station URL output is also not being handled well by IE and Davis have been sent all these details and screen shots quite some time ago.

There is also some confusion in regard Station Models and what they are supposed to relate to, even from within Davis support.

Also when migrating stations from V1 to V2 the V1 page/s should first be made Private otherwise once migrated the V1 link remains viewable and eventually goes red displaying irrelevant data frozen in time from something that really doesn't exist anymore.     
Title: Re: Weatherlink.com 2.0 announced
Post by: Mattk on September 04, 2018, 06:40:18 PM
....I've been trying to add my site to Weatherlink 2.0, but when you hit "device info", you can not adjust the Device ID and key (I never put these in, and they were put in for me). Hence. it will never find my station....

You can not "add" and existing V1 station to V2 as V2 knows I already exists in V1. From V2 you need to migrate your site from V1 and you will require the V1 station ID, Password and Device ID (MAC address)
Title: Re: Weatherlink.com 2.0 announced
Post by: Old Tele man on September 04, 2018, 07:00:28 PM
I am STILL waiting for valid instructions (that work) before I do anything.
Title: Re: Weatherlink.com 2.0 announced
Post by: flyingdutchwx on September 04, 2018, 09:36:19 PM
I think I'm going to wait until this whole "migration" thing is done, and all the bugs have been sorted out, then see if I still want to go ahead. Davis sent me a tweet today saying how beautiful their new site is, but I have some serious doubts.
Title: Re: Weatherlink.com 2.0 announced
Post by: Mattk on September 04, 2018, 10:38:09 PM
I think I'm going to wait until this whole "migration" thing is done, and all the bugs have been sorted out, then see if I still want to go ahead. Davis sent me a tweet today saying how beautiful their new site is, but I have some serious doubts.

When the whole "migration" thing is done there won't be any need to see if you still want to go ahead, there is no option, if you don't do it then they will migrate your site for you anyway, notify you and when they migrate everything from V1, WeatherLink V1 will totally disappear.
Title: Re: Weatherlink.com 2.0 announced
Post by: johnd on September 05, 2018, 03:47:40 AM
As mattk says, I'm not sure there's anything to be gained from waiting for enforced migration to 2.0 (probably) later this month for most users - I can't imagine that there will be any/many changes in the site or process in the next 2-3 weeks. But it's obviously your call.

Title: Re: Weatherlink.com 2.0 announced
Post by: Mattk on September 05, 2018, 11:18:47 PM
WeatherLink 1 provided some valuable info/details to the owner especially regard WLIP/Router info (IP's etc). Has anybody found anything similar in WL 2.0?
Title: Re: Weatherlink.com 2.0 announced
Post by: johnd on September 06, 2018, 05:23:29 AM
WeatherLink 1 provided some valuable info/details to the owner especially regard WLIP/Router info (IP's etc). Has anybody found anything similar in WL 2.0?

If you look at the StationStatus JSON then some of that info is there. So, this isn't available from the main wl.com screen but you need to build the appropriate URL as described in the API document.

This URL is probably best assembled initially in eg Notepad, but once you have the full working URL then it can be viewed in a standard browser and saved as a bookmark for reuse. Obviously if anyone cared to write a simple app to parse the JSON then the info could be presented in an easier to read form. Possibly Davis will do this in time but right now I suspect that migration is top of the agenda.
Title: Re: Weatherlink.com 2.0 announced
Post by: PaulMy on September 06, 2018, 10:34:01 AM
@johnd,
Is the StationStatus.json available for free V2?

From the APIdocumentation.pdf
Quote
Below is an example of the API call for station status info and meta data and a link to the XML format. The
station status should not be polled but can be grabbed when needed for human initiated setup or diagnostic efforts.
https://api.weatherlink.com/v1/StationStatus.xml?user=DID&pass=ownerPW&apiToken=tokenID

and if so what would I put in?
I have my account User and Password, Device IG, Key, and API token.

Paul





Title: Re: Weatherlink.com 2.0 announced
Post by: johnd on September 06, 2018, 11:07:08 AM
Is the StationStatus.json available for free V2?

Yes, to the best of my knowledge.

Quote

From the APIdocumentation.pdf
Quote

https://api.weatherlink.com/v1/StationStatus.xml?user=DID&pass=ownerPW&apiToken=tokenID

I have my account User and Password, Device IG, Key, and API token.

You have all you need - just substitute DID, ownerPW and token in the URL. As I suggested above, it's probably easier to do this in a text editor like Notepad initially so that you can cut and paste the elements of the URL as you're building it. As ever, with these long URLs you do need to get the syntax exactly correct - correct cases, no spaces anywhere etc etc. But if it is 100% correct then it should work OK when copied to a browser address bar. You picked the XML version as an example whereas I was talking about the JSON alternative but use whichever you're more comfortable with.
Title: Re: Weatherlink.com 2.0 announced
Post by: PaulMy on September 06, 2018, 11:49:50 AM
Thanks johnd,Yes I am using notepad++ to create the url.
I've not been able to get it to work and get a http 404 not found message.
If I use v1 then it gives an invalid request so changing it to v2For user=DID I am Using my deviceIG 12 characters cut and paste
For ownerPW I am using my account sign in password and I have verified this
For apiToken I am using my API token 32 characters that is populated in the weatherlink.com profile page cut and paste
The same error if I use .json instead of .xml

At my signup for weatherlink.com v2 I also received a 6 character key and presume that is not needed for this xml or json call.
Unless this is not currently working at weatherlink.com I presume my free account does not offer this feature.
Paul
Title: Re: Weatherlink.com 2.0 announced
Post by: wvdkuil on September 06, 2018, 12:02:11 PM
Thanks johnd,Yes I am using notepad++ to create the url.
I've not been able to get it to work and get a http 404 not found message.
If I use v1 then it gives an invalid request so changing it to v2For user=DID I am Using my deviceIG 12 characters cut and paste
For ownerPW I am using my account sign in password and I have verified this
For apiToken I am using my API token 32 characters that is populated in the weatherlink.com profile page cut and paste
The same error if I use .json instead of .xml

At my signup for weatherlink.com v2 I also received a 6 character key and presume that is not needed for this xml or json call.
Unless this is not currently working at weatherlink.com I presume my free account does not offer this feature.
Paul
I am still on version 1 and requested and got an API token a long time ago.
Using https://api.weatherlink.com/v1/StationStatus.xml?user=DID&pass=ownerPW&apiToken=tokenID with my credentials the status xml works OK for me.
Code: [Select]
<?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8"?>
<station_status version="1.0">
<server_time>2018-09-06 15:55:18</server_time>
<server_time_unix>1536249318</server_time_unix>
<user_name>********</user_name>
<user_email>********@gmail.com</user_email>
<user_city>Leuven</user_city>
<user_state>Vlaams Brabant</user_state>
<user_country>Belgium</user_country>
<user_registered>2011-06-21 13:21:10</user_registered>
<user_registered_unix>1308662470</user_registered_unix>
<station_did>001D0A********</station_did>
<station_key>2000**</station_key>
<station_name>Sluispark Leuven</station_name>
<station_latitude>50.8952</station_latitude>
<station_longitude>4.6974</station_longitude>
<station_elevation>131</station_elevation>
<station_rain_collector>0.2 mm</station_rain_collector>
<station_type>Vantage Vue</station_type>
<station_private>no</station_private>
<station_archive_interval>10</station_archive_interval>
<station_time_display>24 hours</station_time_display>
<station_timezone>Europe/Paris</station_timezone>
<station_time_offset>+0200 CEST</station_time_offset>
<station_daylight_observed>yes</station_daylight_observed>
<station_firmware>1.0.9</station_firmware>
<station_hardware>1.1.1</station_hardware>
<station_public_ip>80.201.60.70</station_public_ip>
<station_last_active>n/a</station_last_active>
<station_last_active_unix>n/a</station_last_active_unix>
<station_last_loop>2018-09-06 15:55:14</station_last_loop>
<station_last_loop_unix>1536249314</station_last_loop_unix>
<station_last_reboot>2018-06-21 10:07:45</station_last_reboot>
<station_last_reboot_unix>1529575665</station_last_reboot_unix>
<station_last_archive>2018-09-06 17:20:00</station_last_archive>
<station_last_archive_unix>1536254400</station_last_archive_unix>
<station_update_archive>2018-09-06 15:27:39</station_update_archive>
<station_update_archive_unix>1536247659</station_update_archive_unix>
<station_last_download>n/a</station_last_download>
<station_last_download_unix>n/a</station_last_download_unix>
<station_connection_type>WeatherLink IP</station_connection_type>
<station_com_model_number>6555</station_com_model_number>
<station_commands_pending>0</station_commands_pending>
<time_to_generate>0.004506 seconds</time_to_generate>
</station_status>
I replaced some info with *****

Wim
Title: Re: Weatherlink.com 2.0 announced
Post by: PaulMy on September 06, 2018, 01:39:21 PM
Thanks johnd that was helpful \:D/

I thought I had tried it several ways including v1 and v2 but from your example and substituting my credentials
I now have it working in both .json and .xml  but only in using "v1" in the url.  I had thought this related to the version and I only have a free V.2.

https://api.weatherlink.com/v1/StationStatus.json?user=myDeviceIG&pass=myLoginPW&apiToken=myAPItoken
https://api.weatherlink.com/v1/StationStatus.xml?user=myDeviceIG&pass=myLoginPW&apiToken=myAPItoken

To the earlier question
Quote
WeatherLink 1 provided some valuable info/details to the owner especially regard WLIP/Router info (IP's etc).
I see my station_public_ip listed but nothing else related to router.
An interesting note is that the Station Type shows "EnviroMonitor".  I signed up and registered for V.2 with my WeatherlinkUSB/Envoy which I was then using but now am using the WiFiLogger...

Enjoy,
Paul




Title: Re: Weatherlink.com 2.0 announced
Post by: johnd on September 06, 2018, 01:46:44 PM
It's confusing I know, but I don't think v1 in the URL relates to 1.0 vs 2.0. It may be v1 of the 2.0 URL or...who knows  :???:

And yes I agree there's nothing super-useful in this bunch of metadata, but there is eg the public IP address which Mattk was asking about. The EM is maybe a hangover from the initial release of the API which was to handle EM data (maybe that's where the v1 comes from?). It's a sign that the interface and API are still a work in progress and not fully honed yet. I've not come across any significant issues in handling and presenting the core weather data, but around the edges there's still work to be done.
Title: Re: Weatherlink.com 2.0 announced
Post by: Mattk on September 06, 2018, 04:39:44 PM
So in generating this API Token what possible cause would Davis require a Phone Number for?? They have a Name an Email address, what's the point of enforcing a Phone Number?
Title: Re: Weatherlink.com 2.0 announced
Post by: Mattk on September 06, 2018, 05:53:06 PM
So in generating this API Token what possible cause would Davis require a Phone Number for?? They have a Name an Email address, what's the point of enforcing a Phone Number?

BIG brother wants to know...

All things considered I can't for the life of me come up with any valid reason why a phone number would be a mandatory requirement re an API considering it is being requested from within an already existing and registered account?
Title: Re: Weatherlink.com 2.0 announced
Post by: casacota on September 07, 2018, 05:49:17 PM
So in generating this API Token what possible cause would Davis require a Phone Number for?? They have a Name an Email address, what's the point of enforcing a Phone Number?
If you put a number such a 0 in that field, the Token is being generated and works...
Title: Re: Weatherlink.com 2.0 announced
Post by: tibadoe on September 10, 2018, 07:15:55 PM
Switched from WL1 to WL2 yesterday.  No real issues -- was up and running in no time.  Definitely a bit different than version 1 but I like it the more I mess with it.
Title: Re: Weatherlink.com 2.0 announced
Post by: PaulMy on September 11, 2018, 10:26:56 AM
As johnd has often pointed out the Davis products likely have more farm and institutional users than the hobbyist user.  I did a quick review of the weatherlink.com map and within a 50 mi radius of my station there are 23 shown on the map.
3 - Institutional (PUC, golf course, University)
14 - Agricultural (5 farms, 9 seed companies)
6 - Personal

Now likely the agricultural are for their business knowledge and decision making so looking for least hands-on and weatherlink.com is an ideal solution.  Many personal stations are by hobbyists so they may have their own site and not use WL.

In the City of London, ON (I am just outside on the fringes) there are 20 stations on Wundermap and only 3 on the weatherlink.com (some of these 20 are Davis stations that are not on WL.com)

On a further side note, in that same 50 mi radius there are 20 CoCoRaHS reports this morning and none of these are in the City of London and nearly all are farm or conservation authority related.

I feel like a lost sheep :(

Enjoy,
Paul
Title: Re: Weatherlink.com 2.0 announced
Post by: Aardvark on September 11, 2018, 12:05:59 PM
I went with the Pro subscription because my website polls off of the Weatherlink api and I have other toys.   It would be nice to be able to label the extra sensors   What I have found  that for example if  Station 4 is my surface temperature sensor, it might be on WL 2.0  sensor 2.   It would be helpful if that would work.   Under the data section, it has windrun  and I wish it had hours of bright sunshine.

MEH...
Title: Re: Weatherlink.com 2.0 announced
Post by: catdon on September 17, 2018, 05:39:33 PM
Migrated over to 2.0 today...would be nice if the text were a little darker, bolder, larger for these 58 year old eyes.
Title: Re: Weatherlink.com 2.0 announced
Post by: johnd on September 18, 2018, 03:54:54 AM
Migrated over to 2.0 today...would be nice if the text were a little darker, bolder, larger for these 58 year old eyes.

Which text are you referring to - there's obviously text in different fonts, sizes & colours all over many pages of the 2.0 site? Is it maybe text on the data tab?
Title: Re: Weatherlink.com 2.0 announced
Post by: catdon on September 26, 2018, 01:17:04 PM
Question...On the bulletin view, where does the forecast in the tile come from? It's only a symbol with temp and precip probs, but still it always seems wrong.
Title: Re: Weatherlink.com 2.0 announced
Post by: PaulMy on September 26, 2018, 02:23:12 PM
I don't know from where but since the Davis console does not provide a temp forecast it must come from another local source.  Likely the nearby airport, but what shows on my weatherlink.com does not match the airport forecast either.  In checking other nearby weatherlink.com stations' bulletin the forecast does not show on any of them.  I know it needs to be ticked as included but presume it doesn't show other than your own.

Enjoy,
Paul
Title: Re: Weatherlink.com 2.0 announced
Post by: johnd on October 17, 2018, 01:07:47 PM
Just a heads-up that the manual migration tool in 2.0 has now been disabled. Not quite sure why, but seems to be connected with a final push of automatic migration for remaining 1.0 users, which should happen in the coming few weeks. Right now the count of station on the 1.0 map is down to 12,000 so it looks like 50-60% of users have already migrated or been migrated.
Title: Re: Weatherlink.com 2.0 announced
Post by: jgentry on October 30, 2018, 08:53:07 PM
I’m curious to why Mobilize isn’t retrieving chilling information  etc. on a consistent basis? At times it shows two blank lines.  I’ve also noticed that it isn’t using any other temp/hum stations except for the main ISS; though the other temp/hum stations have been selected.

Not sure why Davis chose to use World Weather Online for forecast information. Would’ve been wise to use NWS and other government meteorological organizations for forecasts.
Title: Re: Weatherlink.com 2.0 announced
Post by: PaulMy on December 12, 2018, 10:23:47 AM
I've noticed a small change/addition to WL.com
In Account information the addition of Computer Software that I don't recall seeing before.  Nothing earth shatering, but appears that as johnd has alluded to in the past, subtle changes...

Now if I could only get by GLOBE updates to work ](*,)

Enjoy,
Paul
Title: Re: Weatherlink.com 2.0 announced
Post by: meteochiclana on December 12, 2018, 11:17:48 AM
I think there is a new update of weatherlink.La 6.0.5 ... Somebody to corroborate it?
Title: Re: Weatherlink.com 2.0 announced
Post by: miraculon on December 12, 2018, 11:34:50 AM
I think there is a new update of weatherlink.La 6.0.5 ... Somebody to corroborate it?

How did you get to this page? I don't see it on the Bulletin page. It appears that your screenshot is from the bulletin (boletín) page.

I just checked the Davis support page and I see 6.0.4 (which I missed) and the new WLIP version. No 6.0.5 there at Davis support...

Greg H.
Title: Re: Weatherlink.com 2.0 announced
Post by: meteochiclana on December 12, 2018, 11:37:52 AM
https://www.weatherlink.com/account (https://www.weatherlink.com/account)
Title: Re: Weatherlink.com 2.0 announced
Post by: johnd on December 12, 2018, 11:51:16 AM
If you log on to wl.com and go to your personal details then you'll see it in the RH sidebar - bottom item.

One of the changes associated with the new 2019 catalogue (which I don't think has really been released publicly yet, except maybe in Greece  8-), though there is other interesting news) is making WLfW a free download - excellent news, unless you hate WLfW. I haven't seen what's changed in v6.0.5 though - will take a quick look.

Edit: Hmm, nothing obvious. The Visual C++ library seems to update so it may just be a maintenance tweak with no feature changes. It's not on the main Davis support site yet so there's no change log that I can spot yet.
Title: Re: Weatherlink.com 2.0 announced
Post by: PaulMy on December 12, 2018, 12:00:21 PM
I had downloaded 6.0.5 from my weatherlink.com page but not brave enough yet to try it...


Enjoy,
Paul
Title: Re: Weatherlink.com 2.0 announced
Post by: miraculon on December 12, 2018, 12:07:05 PM
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Thanks, I saw it over on the right stub. It seems to be working, although I did get a "stop" during download from "too many errors" on the WLIP connected console. I haven't seen that in quite a while. It may not have had anything to do with 6.0.5. I also updated the WLIP to v1.1.3 just prior.

The other console using USB went fine with the new weatherlink.

Greg H.
Title: Re: Weatherlink.com 2.0 announced
Post by: meteochiclana on December 12, 2018, 12:09:00 PM
Can the changes be ready to add functionalities to the api? In the weatherlink database they have added more options, the new functions appear to me blank. The weatherlink app has also changed, now where before it showed the maximum and minimal outside, now it's interior temperature decks. Have you seen it?
Title: Re: Weatherlink.com 2.0 announced
Post by: miraculon on December 12, 2018, 12:12:58 PM
My upload to CWOP stopped for >20 minutes. I went into edit the info, more to confirm that it was still there. Shortly after hitting "update" I saw the data again. I'll keep an eye on it, may have to go back to meteobridge uploads for CWOP if something broke here...

I have the 5 minute interval set.

Greg H.
Title: Re: Weatherlink.com 2.0 announced
Post by: johnd on December 12, 2018, 12:23:51 PM
Don't forget that there are changes being made to weatherlink.com quite often. Some of these might need a stop and restart of the system with accompanying hiccups in the uploads etc. I doubt that it's anything to do with v6.0.5 of WLfW and changes to the local upload protocols are also unlikely I would have thought.
Title: Re: Weatherlink.com 2.0 announced
Post by: meteochiclana on December 12, 2018, 12:58:54 PM
Has anyone tried it weatherlink 6.0.5?
Title: Re: Weatherlink.com 2.0 announced
Post by: miraculon on December 12, 2018, 01:12:38 PM
Has anyone tried it weatherlink 6.0.5?

Yes I did, see my notes below. Sorry if that wasn't clear.

Greg H.
Title: Re: Weatherlink.com 2.0 announced
Post by: PaulMy on December 12, 2018, 04:30:05 PM
Anyone else see that the time on WL.com update is not the local time.  I am pretty sure it had shown as local time up to about a week or so ago for my station.  It is 4:23 PM EST and we are UTC -5 so UTC 9:23 PM
Mine and saved stations in Iowa, Arizona, Florida, Nova Scotia are all last updated at about that 9:23 time.  However a Cyprus station is at 11:23 and it is likely UTC + 2.
Maybe part of the changes that are happening at WL.com.

Enjoy,
Paul



 
Title: Re: Weatherlink.com 2.0 announced
Post by: Mattk on December 12, 2018, 04:38:04 PM
Edit: What I see on the dashboard page is correct time but the term "last updated" has always been a bit obscure. The only thing I can tell from the display is there is Solar radiation so this tends to indicate the correct time frame locally?

What I see on the summary page "Last updated" is red and shows date as yesterday and time is definitely UTC time. Also Barometer data is all blank but the times within the summary page do appear to be local with reference to data showing.

"Last updated" can mean something entirely different to say "Last downloaded" etc
Title: Re: Weatherlink.com 2.0 announced
Post by: meteochiclana on December 13, 2018, 03:51:19 AM
I have a vantage pro 2 plus station. In weatherlink 2.0 I do not see the fields of uv, solar radiation, etc ... It happens to you ??
Title: Re: Weatherlink.com 2.0 announced
Post by: Bernie1006 on December 13, 2018, 04:36:45 AM
I spoke with Davis yesterday in my case about my time being off and the right panel to select what you would like to see on your bulletin page being split in two sets (original station name and a second called weather station), The answer was they updated .com  and there are a bunch of bugs, especially with the time they are trying to work through. As far as the selections being split in two he said it seems like they are trying to make 2 categories one for inside and one for outside. I have no idea why this would be beneficial.
Title: Re: Weatherlink.com 2.0 announced
Post by: johnd on December 13, 2018, 04:43:24 AM
As far as the selections being split in two he said it seems like they are trying to make 2 categories one for inside and one for outside. I have no idea why this would be beneficial.

You have to remember that the wl.com 2.0 platform has to deal with ALL the different types of Davis station. What may not seem very necessary for someone using a Vue or basic VP2 becomes essential for someone using eg a complex Enviromonitor configuration, where the RH panel is already split into sections by node. And station configurations that allow for multiple indoor sensors (albeit at some cost for each sensor/transmitter) would also make sense of an indoor/outdoor split.
Title: Re: Weatherlink.com 2.0 announced
Post by: Mattk on December 13, 2018, 06:01:05 AM
I have a vantage pro 2 plus station. In weatherlink 2.0 I do not see the fields of uv, solar radiation, etc ... It happens to you ??

On the [Device Info] page do you have the Station model set correctly?
Title: Re: Weatherlink.com 2.0 announced
Post by: meteochiclana on December 13, 2018, 06:06:04 AM
I have a vantage pro 2 plus station. In weatherlink 2.0 I do not see the fields of uv, solar radiation, etc ... It happens to you ??

On the [Device Info] page do you have the Station model set correctly?

Yes
Title: Re: Weatherlink.com 2.0 announced
Post by: meteochiclana on December 13, 2018, 06:20:05 AM
Does anyone know the reason why these values ​​are not shown ??? I'm using weatherlink 6.0.3 the version translated into Spanish.
Title: Re: Weatherlink.com 2.0 announced
Post by: PaulMy on December 13, 2018, 08:50:52 AM
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I have a vantage pro 2 plus station. In weatherlink 2.0 I do not see the fields of uv, solar radiation, etc ... It happens to you ??
Looks like you may have the WL.com Pro version.  Your Bulletin shows the Solar, UV and ET graphs so the data is being sent and received.  Possibly part of the issues they are facing with the changes occurring.
I have the free version so I don't have the data table to compare, but my Bulletin does show UV, Solar and ET.

I see that on your Bulletin under station name you only show Barometer.
On mine (KomokaWeather) I have Barometer, Inside Temp/Hum, Local Forecast, Sunrise/Sunset, Moon Phase.
Mine is the free version and I think you are Pro but that should not be the reason I would think.

Enjoy,
Paul
Title: Re: Weatherlink.com 2.0 announced
Post by: casacota on December 16, 2018, 10:04:35 AM
Can the changes be ready to add functionalities to the api? In the weatherlink database they have added more options, the new functions appear to me blank. The weatherlink app has also changed, now where before it showed the maximum and minimal outside, now it's interior temperature decks. Have you seen it?
Same thing here, on multiple stations...
Title: Re: Weatherlink.com 2.0 announced
Post by: wase4711 on December 17, 2018, 08:12:21 PM
Has anyone tried it weatherlink 6.0.5?

where is 6.0.5? I can only find 6.0.4..
thanks
Title: Re: Weatherlink.com 2.0 announced
Post by: PaulMy on December 17, 2018, 09:22:29 PM
In Weatherlink.com 2.0 click on your information icon then Computer software there is the link.


Enjoy.
Paul
Title: Re: Weatherlink.com 2.0 announced
Post by: Old Tele man on December 17, 2018, 10:03:15 PM
TWO GENERIC QUESTIONS:

(a) Do we NEED to upgrade to the 6.0.5 software?
(b) Does Davis expect a specific software "baseline" for trouble/error free operation under WL2.0?
Title: Re: Weatherlink.com 2.0 announced
Post by: wase4711 on December 17, 2018, 11:55:31 PM
In Weatherlink.com 2.0 click on your information icon then Computer software there is the link.


Enjoy.
Paul

I must be blind, man, I dont see that anywhere.. ](*,)
Title: Re: Weatherlink.com 2.0 announced
Post by: PaulMy on December 18, 2018, 12:06:58 AM
Hope this helps,

Enjoy,
Paul
Title: Re: Weatherlink.com 2.0 announced
Post by: Brientim on December 18, 2018, 01:37:28 AM
In Weatherlink.com 2.0 click on your information icon then Computer software there is the link.


Enjoy.
Paul

I must be blind, man, I dont see that anywhere.. ](*,)
I was the same and had to look twice.
Title: Re: Weatherlink.com 2.0 announced
Post by: johnd on December 18, 2018, 03:46:35 AM
TWO GENERIC QUESTIONS:

(a) Do we NEED to upgrade to the 6.0.5 software?

I've not seen a change log yet for 605 and it's not obvious what's changed. It may well be just an internal change eg for better Windows 10 compatibility BICBW. But right now there's no clear reason why you should NEED to update.

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(b) Does Davis expect a specific software "baseline" for trouble/error free operation under WL2.0?

Depends what you're doing I guess. You can't upload to wl.com before v6.0.0 so that's one baseline. I can't recall when the Web Download protocol (for archive data) was introduced, but it's probably safe to say that using v6.0.0 is again a good minimum, but v6.0.4 makes Web Download a bit clearer.

What else is there, for now at least?
Title: Re: Weatherlink.com 2.0 announced
Post by: wase4711 on December 18, 2018, 09:28:24 AM
Hope this helps,

Enjoy,
Paul

thank you Paul, that helped me! =D&gt;
Title: Re: Weatherlink.com 2.0 announced
Post by: PaulMy on December 18, 2018, 09:46:12 AM
Your welcome.  Been in similar predicaments myself.

Enjoy,
Paul
Title: Re: Weatherlink.com 2.0 announced
Post by: PaulMy on January 04, 2019, 03:57:46 PM
Just found a new embed full screen added to weatherlink.com (maybe not new as I may have missed it)

Enjoy,
Paul
Title: Re: Weatherlink.com 2.0 announced
Post by: Mattk on January 04, 2019, 05:26:25 PM
And where did you find this?
Title: Re: Weatherlink.com 2.0 announced
Post by: PaulMy on January 04, 2019, 06:14:50 PM
In the Share and Uploads | Embed

Enjoy,
Paul
Title: Re: Weatherlink.com 2.0 announced
Post by: Mattk on January 04, 2019, 06:46:17 PM
In the Share and Uploads | Embed

Enjoy,
Paul

Ok yes that appears new?
Title: Re: Weatherlink.com 2.0 announced
Post by: Joel on January 05, 2019, 03:55:49 AM
Just found a new embed full screen added to weatherlink.com (maybe not new as I may have missed it)

Enjoy,
Paul

Thanks for the tip !
Title: Re: Weatherlink.com 2.0 announced
Post by: johnd on January 05, 2019, 04:19:45 AM
In the Share and Uploads | Embed

It's a bit odd that it's not also in the main Embed section - just a programming oversight I imagine, that will be corrected before too long.
Title: Re: Weatherlink.com 2.0 announced
Post by: Mattk on January 05, 2019, 07:37:46 AM
In the Share and Uploads | Embed

It's a bit odd that it's not also in the main Embed section - just a programming oversight I imagine, that will be corrected before too long.

Then one has to ask the question why they are even in 2 locations anyway, that isn't an oversight?
Title: Re: Weatherlink.com 2.0 announced
Post by: casacota on February 27, 2019, 07:01:53 PM
I'm searching the option to change the Time Zone in wl.com but cannot find it. I would like to run my stations on UTC time and not the civil time from Spain, as also the official met office here does. It would help to have a consistent data system. Any ideas? Thanks!
Title: Re: Weatherlink.com 2.0 announced
Post by: johnd on February 28, 2019, 03:41:43 AM
I'm searching the option to change the Time Zone in wl.com but cannot find it.

TZ is not an editable field on wl.com. What sort of stations are you running? Assuming it's a logger-based one (ie and not Connect or EM) then you could try editing the console TZ settings. That's obviously normally done before connecting to a wl.com account, so not sure how quickly it might get picked up by wl.com, but try this and see if it worls.
Title: Re: Weatherlink.com 2.0 announced
Post by: casacota on February 28, 2019, 05:42:59 AM
I'm searching the option to change the Time Zone in wl.com but cannot find it.

TZ is not an editable field on wl.com. What sort of stations are you running? Assuming it's a logger-based one (ie and not Connect or EM) then you could try editing the console TZ settings. That's obviously normally done before connecting to a wl.com account, so not sure how quickly it might get picked up by wl.com, but try this and see if it worls.

Thanks for the answer. As far as I see, wl.com runs the database civil time oriented (this is in Spain UTC + 1 althought the same Meridian as the UK), independently from the time the console is adjusted. But if the console is restarted, and some times without that, the time on the console changes to the civil time. It is a Vantage Vue with weatherlink IP. This behaviour is new to wl.com V2.0. I have run those stations (7 in total) for years with wl.com V1.0 in UTC time without problems, nor spontan clock changes, and with a database consistent to the official stations from the met office, with wich I collaborate. This seems not to be longer possible with wl.com V2.