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Title: VP2 v3 Firmware updates now posted
Post by: johnd on February 28, 2013, 04:16:13 PM
VP2 v3 Firmware updates now posted in the usual place:

http://www.davisnet.com/support/weather/downloads/index.asp

Can't see Vue as yet
Title: Re: VP2 v3 Firmware updates now posted
Post by: dalecoy on February 28, 2013, 04:21:29 PM
Obvious question:  what happens if I'm using an old Davis logger, and install this firmware?
Title: Re: VP2 v3 Firmware updates now posted
Post by: johnd on February 28, 2013, 04:28:23 PM
Obvious question:  what happens if I'm using an old Davis logger, and install this firmware?

Don't know - won't have a chance to try it until tomorrow.

However: I surmise from the lack of warnings posted that there will be no adverse experiences with older loggers. Just my guess of course.
Title: Re: VP2 v3 Firmware updates now posted
Post by: Bushman on February 28, 2013, 04:29:30 PM
I think I will wait till someone else bricks their system first.  :)
Title: Re: VP2 v3 Firmware updates now posted
Post by: JACK10562 on February 28, 2013, 04:38:20 PM
I just spoke with Davis tech support and they said the new firmware version IS backwards compatible with existing data loggers.

So, who wants to be the guinea pig?
Title: Re: VP2 v3 Firmware updates now posted
Post by: dalecoy on February 28, 2013, 05:00:27 PM
I just spoke with Davis tech support and they said the new firmware version IS backwards compatible with existing data loggers.

Note that the new version is 3.12

Did you perhaps ask for details?  There are several possible interpretations of "compatible".  For instance:

A.  Version 3.12 firmware no longer checks for the logger version, so it works with anything.
B.  3.12 Installer checks for logger version, and installs "non-checking" firmware for old Davis logger, but not for 3rd party loggers.
C.  3.12 Installer checks for "new logger" and installs "non-checking" firmware if it's not a new logger.
D.  3.12 Installer will install through an old logger on an old console, but then firmware will not work (or will work) without new logger.
E.  Various alternatives if the console already has 3.0 firmware, but it's an old logger (perhaps this is impossible).
F.  I can think of other permutations.....

Clearly, without some statement from Davis, we'll be waiting for several tests.
Title: Re: VP2 v3 Firmware updates now posted
Post by: Sigdigit on February 28, 2013, 05:09:41 PM
Anyone know why the upgrade?  Mine has been working fine with the older version.
Title: Re: VP2 v3 Firmware updates now posted
Post by: Bushman on February 28, 2013, 05:18:17 PM
From teh release notes:

Firmware version 3.12
Fixed a bug in 3.00 that did not allow the ET alarm to be cleared.

There were a whack of fixes in 3.0
Title: Re: VP2 v3 Firmware updates now posted
Post by: JACK10562 on February 28, 2013, 05:44:09 PM
Dale,  I specifically asked about the datalogger compatibility issue the Davis rep said and I quote: "it's complicated" he really didn't want to get into specifics, and without elaborating said that old "DAVIS" loggers will work with fine the new firmware version.

So, for whatever it's worth, I went ahead and gave it a shot and upgraded.

I have an "old" 6510 serial logger and can announce that it works fine with the 3.12 firmware.

Upgraded from 1.91.

The only thing anyone will need to do is if currently using a COM port above port 9, you would have to reset the port to 9 or lower in your device manager, otherwise the davis firmware updater will not be able to find the datalogger.

The only reason I went ahead and upgraded was if it  did crap out, I was planning on taking my station down to ship it out for the $100 refurb anyway.
Title: Re: VP2 v3 Firmware updates now posted
Post by: Ray Proudfoot on February 28, 2013, 05:46:19 PM
My console firmware is v1.80 and everything works fine. If it 'ain't broke...
Title: Re: VP2 v3 Firmware updates now posted
Post by: dalecoy on February 28, 2013, 05:55:38 PM
Dale,  I specifically asked about the datalogger compatibility issue the Davis rep said and I quote: "it's complicated" he really didn't want to get into specifics, and without elaborating said that old "DAVIS" loggers will work with fine the new firmware version.

Thanks for trying.   :-)

And, of course, Davis would understand that they made it complicated. 
Title: Re: VP2 v3 Firmware updates now posted
Post by: Ray Proudfoot on February 28, 2013, 06:01:49 PM
Having looked at the fixes in v3.0 this one would be useful...

Added leading zero to temp readings between -1.0 and 1.0.

So I may update in a few days.
Title: Re: VP2 v3 Firmware updates now posted
Post by: RainmanWeather on February 28, 2013, 06:47:10 PM
I can report that the SLOweather DSI-01 Does work with this firmware release!  =D>

VP2 Wireless FW 1.9 > 3.12, update was done on WeatherLinkIP that I believe is Green dot, mfg code F10112A54
Title: Re: VP2 v3 Firmware updates now posted
Post by: DeKay on February 28, 2013, 07:18:57 PM
I can report that the SLOweather DSI-01 Does work with this firmware release!  =D>

VP2 Wireless FW 1.9 > 3.12, update was done on WeatherLinkIP that I believe is Green dot, mfg code F10112A54


I'll be darned.  Sounds to me like they saw the error in their ways with the "It's complicated" response, did the right thing, and dropped the logger check.  Good stuff!!!  My guess is the heat put on by the bad press and reverse engineering effort here probably didn't hurt.
Title: Re: VP2 v3 Firmware updates now posted
Post by: dalecoy on February 28, 2013, 07:21:35 PM
I can report that the SLOweather DSI-01 Does work with this firmware release!  =D>

VP2 Wireless FW 1.9 > 3.12, update was done on WeatherLinkIP that I believe is Green dot, mfg code F10112A54


That is very interesting, and probably conclusive.
Title: Re: VP2 v3 Firmware updates now posted
Post by: MarvC on February 28, 2013, 08:24:48 PM
I felt the need.... Just completed the upgrade on my VP2 console. No issues in upgrading process or operations of the console. Just re-verified operations of the console and system all appears
OK. I have the newer Davis USB weatherlink installed on the console communicating serially on Comm 3.
Seems the forecast requires 3 hours of data to begin predicting again! Cumulus, WU and my FTP site all working fine!

Thanks,
MarvC
Title: Re: VP2 v3 Firmware updates now posted
Post by: n7xrd on February 28, 2013, 09:01:30 PM
How do i tell what firmware I have? Figured it out and did the update all is well so far! =D>
Title: Re: VP2 v3 Firmware updates now posted
Post by: Jumpin Joe on February 28, 2013, 10:54:56 PM
Firmware update installed and no bright flashes or smoke. I call that success.
Title: Re: VP2 v3 Firmware updates now posted
Post by: VaWx on February 28, 2013, 11:33:47 PM
Successful upgrade and everything is working like before! Only thing I need to change is my console's time. It's two minutes off now.  :evil:

This firmware fixed a major issue a lot of Cumulus users were having. (Including myself)
Title: Re: VP2 v3 Firmware updates now posted
Post by: Ray Proudfoot on March 01, 2013, 04:21:39 AM
This firmware fixed a major issue a lot of Cumulus users were having. (Including myself)

Could you elaborate please? I've been using Cumulus for nearly 4 years and I'm not aware of any issues with my current firmware of 1.80.

LATER: Ignore that request. I've just caught up with the 'Data Input appears to have stopped' thread on Sandaysoft. Seems the latest firmware has fixed the problem.
Title: Re: VP2 v3 Firmware updates now posted
Post by: ericfynne on March 01, 2013, 05:51:29 AM
I've been following that thread myself with interest, as I'm considering upgrading to a Davis.

My understanding: Davis apparently introduced the problem (where the console would stop responding for a minute or more) in version 3.0 and have apparently fixed it in version 3.12. The problem apparently affected Cumulus because of the way it speaks to the console, using the Davis VantagePro.dll.

Eric
Title: Re: VP2 v3 Firmware updates now posted
Post by: Ray Proudfoot on March 01, 2013, 06:43:05 AM
Hi Eric,

That's why it never affected my VP2 then. I'm currently on v1.8 and will probably update in the next few days.
Title: Re: VP2 v3 Firmware updates now posted
Post by: Aardvark on March 01, 2013, 07:14:22 AM
I upgraded both my ip logger console  and my serial to usb envoy .  I disconnected each  when I upgraded the other one  so as not to have the upgrade accidently go to the wrong  instrument.   It went as planned and I have no difficulty.


The only  odd thing is for me that the consoles didn't auto reboot and I had to do that manually, wait out the resync, but the update did work fine for me.   The real important thing is to be sure to download and double check that you are updating the right item with the right update and then just let it update on its own, no surfing the net while the update goes.
Title: Re: VP2 v3 Firmware updates now posted
Post by: dalecoy on March 01, 2013, 12:49:24 PM
Obvious question:  what happens if I'm using an old Davis logger, and install this firmware?

Don't know - won't have a chance to try it until tomorrow.

However: I surmise from the lack of warnings posted that there will be no adverse experiences with older loggers. Just my guess of course.

John, I want you to know that I really appreciate your efforts to communicate with us, and to supply us with the best information that you have.   You have been extremely careful to state what you know, and to quote what you have been told, and to identify your thoughts and assumptions.

Occasionally you're going to have incomplete (or slightly misleading) information from Davis.  And you (or we or both) will perhaps draw slightly incorrect conclusions.  That's not our (collective) fault.  

The same is true of people who ask questions of Davis support, and report the answers here.  

It appears, from experimental evidence reported here, that there is no major functional difference between old and new VP2 consoles, nor between old and new loggers.  That is, all consoles will accept firmware version 3.12, and with that firmware version, will work with all loggers (including 3rd party loggers).  [Yes, I'm aware that the total set of permutations has not yet been reported, so I'm jumping to a conclusion].

Just wanted to emphasize that I'm glad you try to keep us informed.
Title: Re: VP2 v3 Firmware updates now posted
Post by: dalecoy on March 01, 2013, 12:54:38 PM
Residual question:

If someone has a VP2 console that is running Firmware Version 3.00; and
If they have an old (non-green-dot) logger or a 3rd party logger...
...and therefore, the combination is not functional because the console won't communicate with the logger....

Can that combination be used to upgrade to Firmware Version 3.12?

...[Which would then be fully functional]
Title: Re: VP2 v3 Firmware updates now posted
Post by: Weather Spares on March 01, 2013, 01:30:54 PM
I'd just like to confirm that the latest release of the Davis firmware works with the belfryboy 3rd party data logger.

Upgraded from version 1.8 to 3.12 of the firmware on my UK Vantage Pro 2+ without any issues :)
Title: Re: VP2 v3 Firmware updates now posted
Post by: CNYWeather on March 01, 2013, 01:33:26 PM
I have a late 2004 VP2 Wireless USB.

I dont see a readme from Davis, but download, run the .exe and I should be good to go?
I dont think I have ever updated it before.
Title: Re: VP2 v3 Firmware updates now posted
Post by: Weather Display on March 01, 2013, 01:50:49 PM
I can hear the 3rd party data logger developers sighing a big sigh of relief!
Title: Re: VP2 v3 Firmware updates now posted
Post by: duke666 on March 01, 2013, 01:55:21 PM
Reading 'this' (http://www.wxforum.net/index.php?topic=18393.0) thread, is any one successfully using VVP with multiple weather software and the new firmware - 3.12?
Title: Re: VP2 v3 Firmware updates now posted
Post by: moehoward4 on March 01, 2013, 02:18:38 PM
My 'belfryboy' logger is working with 3.12 with everything BUT VWS by way of VVP. I've tried all the VWS comms options with VVP and  ](*,)     Gonna have to 'try' Ambient support to see if he can fix it......
Title: Re: VP2 v3 Firmware updates now posted
Post by: jgillett on March 01, 2013, 03:23:21 PM
I have a late 2004 VP2 Wireless USB.

I dont see a readme from Davis, but download, run the .exe and I should be good to go?
I dont think I have ever updated it before.
That one will probably NOT work, Tony. My unit is from 2006. Put 3.12 on it last night and, while it appeared to flash OK, the console was not working properly. Called Davis this morning and the guy was stumped. He sent me v1.90 to drop back to and that works fine.

Just got the following email from him...

***
You have an old console that uses analog sensors. Firmware version 3.X will not be compatible with your console. The latest version your console will be able to use is version 1.90.
***

So, we're SOL - until I can get it in for the refurb.
Title: Re: VP2 v3 Firmware updates now posted
Post by: W3DRM on March 01, 2013, 03:41:15 PM
Just tried several times to get to the Davis Firmware upgrade webpage and it tells me I broke their server. Same message three or four times.

Wonder if so many folks are trying to get to it that it can't handle the load?

Anyway, was just thinking about how we had to update firmware in years past. Does anyone remember the old days of having to order (or purchase) the updater and then either passing it on to others or returning it to Davis? Sure am glad those days are behind us!

Sorry for the diversion but was wondering if anyone is having problems getting to the Davis site?

Title: Re: VP2 v3 Firmware updates now posted
Post by: CNYWeather on March 01, 2013, 03:48:30 PM
I have a late 2004 VP2 Wireless USB.

I dont see a readme from Davis, but download, run the .exe and I should be good to go?
I dont think I have ever updated it before.
That one will probably NOT work, Tony. My unit is from 2006. Put 3.12 on it last night and, while it appeared to flash OK, the console was not working properly. Called Davis this morning and the guy was stumped. He sent me v1.90 to drop back to and that works fine.

Just got the following email from him...

***
You have an old console that uses analog sensors. Firmware version 3.X will not be compatible with your console. The latest version your console will be able to use is version 1.90.
***

So, we're SOL - until I can get it in for the refurb.

Thanks for the info John. Hopefully this will be the summer it gets replaced. Almost 9 years so it will probably be a good time to replace it.
Title: Re: VP2 v3 Firmware updates now posted
Post by: JACK10562 on March 01, 2013, 04:01:27 PM
That is an interesting question, Dale. While the "blacklisted" loggers apparently can't communicate with external software programs for any number of reasons, they just might be able to connect with the console through the firmware package's built in program to execute the update.
Title: Re: VP2 v3 Firmware updates now posted
Post by: Beaudog on March 01, 2013, 04:33:28 PM
Just tried several times to get to the Davis Firmware upgrade webpage and it tells me I broke their server. Same message three or four times.

Wonder if so many folks are trying to get to it that it can't handle the load?

Anyway, was just thinking about how we had to update firmware in years past. Does anyone remember the old days of having to order (or purchase) the updater and then either passing it on to others or returning it to Davis? Sure am glad those days are behind us!

Sorry for the diversion but was wondering if anyone is having problems getting to the Davis site?



Looks to me they have locked it down.   
Title: Re: VP2 v3 Firmware updates now posted
Post by: Weather Spares on March 01, 2013, 04:42:02 PM
Reading 'this' (http://www.wxforum.net/index.php?topic=18393.0) thread, is any one successfully using VVP with multiple weather software and the new firmware - 3.12?

Yes, I am using VVP with the Davis Weatherlink software and also Cumulus simultaneously. There were no issues or configuration problems. Obviously the firmware update was carried out directly without going through VVP, or with any other weather software running.
Title: Re: VP2 v3 Firmware updates now posted
Post by: moehoward4 on March 01, 2013, 05:24:14 PM
I did the FW update using belfryboy's logger with everything else shut down, it went through with no problems. I started VVP, ran WL, then WD with no issues. It was with VWS that I hit the wall... VWS would not work, NO HOW, NO WAY.
Title: Re: VP2 v3 Firmware updates now posted
Post by: n3ouc on March 01, 2013, 05:57:16 PM
I have 4 consoles dating from 2006 through 2011. The three youngest ones updated just fine but the 2006 console went through the process but when finished had digital sensors not found and completely shut down and I had to reload 1.90. As someone mentioned, any console dated 2006 or older will not work with the 3.12 upgrade unless it has been refurbished with the digital sensors.

Mike
Title: Re: VP2 v3 Firmware updates now posted
Post by: W3DRM on March 01, 2013, 06:21:28 PM
Well, I'm dead in the water. Get a "digital Sensors Not Found" message when the console restarts after the upgrade. This is a unit I purchased back in Dec 2005. I was at v1.90 of the firmware. When it came back up I went through the setup steps and all of the settings appeared to be the same. Coming out of the setup mode is when I got the sensors not found message. Interestingly, I did see values in the Anemometer (speed and direction) as well as Out Temp, Humidity and Wind Chill. Everything else had the "---" displayed. Tried rebooting the console by unplugging the power cord and pulling the batteries but still getting the same message. Am going to attempt to go back to 1.90 but at the moment it can't even find the device. Am in the process of rebooting my computer now to see if that helps to get things back up once again.

This is NOT a good feeling at the moment...  :sad:

Title: Re: VP2 v3 Firmware updates now posted
Post by: jgillett on March 01, 2013, 06:27:33 PM
Same results here, Don and Mike. After the flash it reset the console, then that same message came up. Was able to get past it by going to Setup mode, but once through that the baro and temp in both indicated ---- . So much for trying to fool it.
Title: Re: VP2 v3 Firmware updates now posted
Post by: n3ouc on March 01, 2013, 06:31:52 PM
Oh no, I too tried repeatedly to fool it and no go. Will not resolve to a com port. I was able to contact Davis support and they ran me through the 1.90 version to re-install. You would think they would have put up some kind of warning that consoles from 2006 and older will not be compatible.

Mike
Title: Re: VP2 v3 Firmware updates now posted
Post by: jgillett on March 01, 2013, 06:38:03 PM
Agreed, Mike. Davis is usually pretty good with their support. The fellow this morning was obviously unaware of the issue, but did spend some time with me trying to get things going. He emailed 1.90 immediately and wanted me to let him know if that worked OK. It wasn't until later he got the word and sent the message I posted. He still gets 5 stars for effort and their usual willingness to help, but whoever wrote the changelog gets a thumbs-down.
Title: Re: VP2 v3 Firmware updates now posted
Post by: W3DRM on March 01, 2013, 07:03:58 PM
Yup, had to reinstall 1.90 and everything is once again working, as it should.  \:D/ I think the black cloud is still following me around...

I'll bet Davis will quickly reword their firmware page to alert folks to the problem. However, I wonder how "old" the console has to be for it not to work. I had sent my entire VP2 in for a refurb last September. It has worked flawlessly since then. I did send Davis support an email a few minutes with the details of what I experienced and also mentioned this forum and the problems others are having with the update.


Title: Re: VP2 v3 Firmware updates now posted
Post by: Weather Display on March 01, 2013, 09:21:40 PM
I gotta ask, why the big rush to get this new firmware update, i.e what is wrong with the 1.90 version exactly?
Title: Re: VP2 v3 Firmware updates now posted
Post by: SlowModem on March 01, 2013, 10:50:52 PM
I gotta ask, why the big rush to get this new firmware update, i.e what is wrong with the 1.90 version exactly?

That's what I was wondering.    :-k
Title: Re: VP2 v3 Firmware updates now posted
Post by: Tornado Tim on March 01, 2013, 11:25:36 PM
I will update as I dont have VWS, but I think I may wait a bit longer....

I gotta ask, why the big rush to get this new firmware update, i.e what is wrong with the 1.90 version exactly?
People like new things and it looks like you may get a bit more accuracy out of your temp/hum if you install the firmware update....

Quote
Console timesout of the "Receiving From" setup screen after 15 min using batteries and 30 min using AC power.
Previous versions of firmware allowed a negative ET, now it will clip hourly ET values at 0.
Added leading zero to temp readings between -1.0 and 1.0.
Improved temp and hum index calculations.
Low humidity readings now clipped at 1% and will not show 0%.

One thing I hope they have fixed is the "new" New Zealand DST change times.
Title: Re: VP2 v3 Firmware updates now posted
Post by: dalecoy on March 01, 2013, 11:42:25 PM
I have 4 consoles dating from 2006 through 2011. The three youngest ones updated just fine but the 2006 console went through the process but when finished had digital sensors not found and completely shut down and I had to reload 1.90. As someone mentioned, any console dated 2006 or older will not work with the 3.12 upgrade unless it has been refurbished with the digital sensors.

Mike

Question:  How does someone determine whether they have digital sensors or not?
Title: Re: VP2 v3 Firmware updates now posted
Post by: Tornado Tim on March 01, 2013, 11:57:37 PM
Question:  How does someone determine whether they have digital sensors or not?
Archer Trading post states on here: http://www.archertradingpost.com/atp/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=1_6_9&products_id=89
From Jan 2006 any Temp/Hum Sensor should be digital.

So I presume if your Station is manufactured after that date it should work.
Title: Re: VP2 v3 Firmware updates now posted
Post by: Aardvark on March 02, 2013, 12:02:32 AM
as I wrote earlier,  my machine is probably 6 years old , upgraded from1.90 to 3.12, no problems..
Title: Re: VP2 v3 Firmware updates now posted
Post by: W3DRM on March 02, 2013, 12:36:44 AM
I gotta ask, why the big rush to get this new firmware update, i.e what is wrong with the 1.90 version exactly?

Good question Brian but, one could also ask why do folks run out and install Weather Display or VWS updates as soon as they are available? There are probably many different reasons. Some folks just want to have the latest and greatest version available. Others, just like to live dangerously.

In my case, it looked like the upgrade to 3.12 was pretty innocuous with very few problems initially being reported. I do run VVP and VWS as well as WD and saw no indications of any issues or real risk in doing the installation. Obviously, in hindsite, that wasn't true and I quickly discovered I had an unresponsive patient on my hands (my console). The remedy was quick as I had kept the original 1.90 installation software. So, I tried, I cried and then went back to my original configuration. Nothing gained, nothing lost. Will I do it again? Probably, as will many others on this forum.

Title: Re: VP2 v3 Firmware updates now posted
Post by: jgillett on March 02, 2013, 01:12:15 AM
Don, don't forget you'll need an upgraded console before trying it again.
Title: Re: VP2 v3 Firmware updates now posted
Post by: Tornado Tim on March 02, 2013, 01:52:20 AM
Don, don't forget you'll need an upgraded console before trying it again.
I think the problem is more with the ISS firmware or board version in regards to getting a digital readout.

There may be componentry difference also between Pre/post Jan 2006 consoles which may also hinder the digital readout.
I would double check with Davis to ensure the console is the culprit and not the ISS, because it could be both!

The ISS pre 2006 had analog sensors and id expect the ISS is expecting an analogue reading. They made a digital to analogue temp/hum sensor for Vp2's made pre Jan 2006 when they stopped manufacturing the older analogue temp/hum sensors.


Title: Re: VP2 v3 Firmware updates now posted
Post by: dalecoy on March 02, 2013, 09:56:00 AM
Question:  How does someone determine whether they have digital sensors or not?
Archer Trading post states on here: http://www.archertradingpost.com/atp/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=1_6_9&products_id=89
From Jan 2006 any Temp/Hum Sensor should be digital.

So I presume if your Station is manufactured after that date it should work.

OK, but that doesn't really answer the question.  How does someone determine when their station was manufactured?

Oh, and is it the Station or is it the console? 

Footnote: I have two consoles, acquired at different times from different sources - one came through eBay, so I'm not the original purchaser.
Title: Re: VP2 v3 Firmware updates now posted
Post by: jgillett on March 02, 2013, 10:19:45 AM
OK, but that doesn't really answer the question.  How does someone determine when their station was manufactured?

Oh, and is it the Station or is it the console?
According to the message from Davis I posted yesterday, it's the console. There's a cryptic 'Mfg. Code' on the label on the back of the console, but I haven't been able to make sense of it.

Also, nothing lost if you try it and it fails. Just put 1.90 back on.
Title: Re: VP2 v3 Firmware updates now posted
Post by: moehoward4 on March 02, 2013, 10:57:28 AM
To "read" the manufacture date code, A100226A063, as an example, AYYMMDDA063 would be Feb. 26, 2010. This was explained to me by 2 different Davis techs.    edit:   This also applies to the codes on any other SIM board covers.
Title: Re: VP2 v3 Firmware updates now posted
Post by: user3162 on March 02, 2013, 11:44:03 AM
To "read" the manufacture date code, A100226A063, as an example, AYYMMDDA063 would be Feb. 26, 2010. This was explained to me by 2 different Davis techs.    edit:   This also applies to the codes on any other SIM board covers.

So my console mfg code is A50217A21
I'm guessing, Feb 17 2005. Guess I best not update this one?
Title: Re: VP2 v3 Firmware updates now posted
Post by: W3DRM on March 02, 2013, 11:44:17 AM
To "read" the manufacture date code, A100226A063, as an example, AYYMMDDA063 would be Feb. 26, 2010. This was explained to me by 2 different Davis techs.    edit:   This also applies to the codes on any other SIM board covers.

So, I purchased my unit from Ambient Weather in December of 2005. It has a manufacture date code of: A50907A16. For older units, like mine, that must translate to AYMMDDA16 which would be September 7, 2005. Not sure what the initial "A" and the "A16" on the tail-end indicate. The A16 could merely be a manufacturing run serial number of some kind for that particular day.

No response, as yet, from Davis to my email and the download information on the website is still the same. Would expect to hear from them sometime next week though. My complete VP2 system has been refurbed by Davis two times. Each time I sent it back for failures of the anemometer unit. The console and ISS that was returned was the same unit I sent in. Only the circuit boards were updated or replaced each time and not the external housings so the manufacturing codes would be accurate.

Title: Re: VP2 v3 Firmware updates now posted
Post by: W3DRM on March 02, 2013, 11:47:35 AM
To "read" the manufacture date code, A100226A063, as an example, AYYMMDDA063 would be Feb. 26, 2010. This was explained to me by 2 different Davis techs.    edit:   This also applies to the codes on any other SIM board covers.

So my console mfg code is A50217A21
I'm guessing, Feb 17 2005. Guess I best not update this one?

Looks like we were both typing at the same time. :lol:

It didn't work for mine for a Sept '05 manufacture date so I would expect the same for yours. At least it is easy to go back to the 1.90 version and doesn't hurt anything so you could always try it if desired.

Title: Re: VP2 v3 Firmware updates now posted
Post by: moehoward4 on March 02, 2013, 12:27:06 PM
The last letter/numbers weren't explained to me, so I can't help there...but if anyone can tell me how to get back to v1.90, I would much appreciate it.      Jack
Title: Re: VP2 v3 Firmware updates now posted
Post by: RainmanWeather on March 02, 2013, 12:55:31 PM
 

The VP2 Wireless FW 1.90 can be downloaded here: http://www.davisnet.com/support/weather/download/DirectFromPC_vp2_wireless_1_90.exe (http://www.davisnet.com/support/weather/download/DirectFromPC_vp2_wireless_1_90.exe)

and VP2 Cabled FW 1.90 can be downloaded here: http://www.davisnet.com/support/weather/download/DirectFromPC_vp2_cabled_1_90.exe (http://www.davisnet.com/support/weather/download/DirectFromPC_vp2_cabled_1_90.exe)

 
Title: Re: VP2 v3 Firmware updates now posted
Post by: JACK10562 on March 02, 2013, 02:30:04 PM
Those download links must be pretty well hidden from the public, I searched their site for a while before calling support to email me a copy.  8-)
Title: Re: VP2 v3 Firmware updates now posted
Post by: Beaudog on March 02, 2013, 02:43:38 PM
They used to be here but they blocked it yesterday

http://toolbox.davisnet.com/downloads/Weather/software/
Title: Re: VP2 v3 Firmware updates now posted
Post by: jgillett on March 02, 2013, 02:56:21 PM
To "read" the manufacture date code, A100226A063, as an example, AYYMMDDA063 would be Feb. 26, 2010.
Given that, mine, which failed the update, is Jan 5, 2006. Perhaps that might help somebody else wondering if they can do it.

Thanks, Jack.
Title: Re: VP2 v3 Firmware updates now posted
Post by: moehoward4 on March 02, 2013, 03:11:06 PM
Rainman       Thanks for the link, I hope it works.     Jack
Title: Re: VP2 v3 Firmware updates now posted
Post by: miraculon on March 02, 2013, 06:45:05 PM
I applied 3.12 to both my Envoy and VP2 Console.

The Envoy is connected via Serial (w/USB adapter) and the VP2 Console via WLIP (and Weatherlink on WinXP).

I stopped Weatherlink in both cases and just as a precaution unchecked the "Upload to Weatherlink.com" box to minimize any potential conflicts on the WLIP Configuration webpage.

Afterwards, I had some issues with the old Windows XP box running Weatherlink for uploading to my web site. Weatherlink.com (and consequent CWOP and WU) were OK, but it was giving some timeout errors for uploads. The "bulletin", summary and diagnostics screens all worked OK.

I upgraded the Win8 machine (with the Envoy) to Weatherlink 6.0.3 before I ran the firmware upgrades. I tried upgrading the XP box Weatherlink as well and that seem to have fixed it. Started uploading, albeit with wrong times. I reset the time/date and all is well on both the Console and Envoy.

The Weatherlink 6.0.3 seems to be faster on the Win8 machine than the older version, but that is a subjective "seems".
Greg H

Title: Re: VP2 v3 Firmware updates now posted
Post by: tibadoe on March 03, 2013, 08:53:00 AM
I have one that won't update unless I have the updater: A60301. March 01, 2006.  No biggie I guess, still working fine.
Title: Re: VP2 v3 Firmware updates now posted
Post by: moehoward4 on March 03, 2013, 09:50:23 AM
My THANKS to RainmanWeather for those links   =D> =D> \:D/ \:D/   I'm back in business   UU
Title: Re: VP2 v3 Firmware updates now posted
Post by: smorris on March 03, 2013, 10:02:47 AM
Does anyone know how I can apply the update on a Mac? I have two consoles and an Envoy and the Mac USB logger. I run Windows XP Pro on Parallels, but I have no idea how to apply drivers in Windows, and if any of it will work with the Mac logger (yes, it is apparently different, as there's a procedure to convert a Windows USB logger into a Mac one.)

Thanks for any suggestions,
Steve
Title: Re: VP2 v3 Firmware updates now posted
Post by: oldmcg on March 03, 2013, 10:42:58 AM
I have a console with 3.0 firmware.  I want to upgrade to 3.12 so I can experiment with non-Davis serial interfaces.  Is there any way I can update my console 3.0 firmware to 3.12 without purchasing a Davis green dot logger?

Thx.
Title: Re: VP2 v3 Firmware updates now posted
Post by: johnd on March 03, 2013, 10:43:38 AM
Does anyone know how I can apply the update on a Mac? I have two consoles and an Envoy and the Mac USB logger. I run Windows XP Pro on Parallels, but I have no idea how to apply drivers in Windows, and if any of it will work with the Mac logger (yes, it is apparently different, as there's a procedure to convert a Windows USB logger into a Mac one.)

Logger hardware is identical between Windows and Mac environments - no difference at all. You're possibly thinking of the USBXpress and VCP modes of operation of the logger. If the logger has been used in USBX mode on a Windows system then it will likely need reverting to VCP mode before using on a Mac, but many users leave their logger in VCP mode anyway. (I don't think that Mac software supports SiLAbs USBX drivers?)

If you're using a (virtual?) Windows environment then the Direct from PC F/W updates ought to work I would have thought. Otherwsie you'll need to buy/loan a VP2 updater.
Title: Re: VP2 v3 Firmware updates now posted
Post by: dalecoy on March 03, 2013, 10:57:08 AM
I have a console with 3.0 firmware.  I want to upgrade to 3.12 so I can experiment with non-Davis serial interfaces.  Is there any way I can update my console 3.0 firmware to 3.12 without purchasing a Davis green dot logger?


The only supported way would be to rent the VP2 Updater (box) from Davis, and for Davis to pre-load it with the latest firmware (3.12).  You'll have to contact Davis to find out about that.

It may be the case that - if you got a non-Davis serial interface - then you could run the update.  So far, nobody has reported the results of trying that.  It's rather unlikely that Davis would tell you whether that would work.

Of course, if you could borrow a logger for a short time....
Title: Re: VP2 v3 Firmware updates now posted
Post by: meteolarissa on March 03, 2013, 11:24:59 AM
RAINWEATHER many many many Thanks...Saved many weatherfriends fast and safe... :grin:

My weather station back in action


Vassilis

Larisa city-Greece
Title: Re: VP2 v3 Firmware updates now posted
Post by: morfeas2002 on March 03, 2013, 11:44:24 AM
Αcording to the label at the back my console is from 2/2012 and has firm 1.90. Can i update to the new firm or is it not safe?
Title: Re: VP2 v3 Firmware updates now posted
Post by: RainmanWeather on March 03, 2013, 12:06:32 PM
Αcording to the label at the back my console is from 2/2012 and has firm 1.90. Can i update to the new firm or is it not safe?
Certainly it is safe from a hardware version standpoint, although it may not work with certain software.

Here are the known issues as I understand them, others please feel free to add or correct to help save others some grief.

Pre-2006 models with analog sensors will not work with the FW ver 3.12 update, "Digital Sensors Not Found" will result and FW must be reverted.


Software that is not working correctly with this update include VWS and WUHU, discussion here: http://www.wxforum.net/index.php?topic=18393.0
[UPDATE] Issues only when these software are used along with VVP

If you have already updated and are experiencing issues, you may revert back to FW ver 1.90 by running the following appropriate file:

The VP2 Wireless FW 1.90 can be downloaded here: http://www.davisnet.com/support/weather/download/DirectFromPC_vp2_wireless_1_90.exe (http://www.davisnet.com/support/weather/download/DirectFromPC_vp2_wireless_1_90.exe)

and VP2 Cabled FW 1.90 can be downloaded here: http://www.davisnet.com/support/weather/download/DirectFromPC_vp2_cabled_1_90.exe (http://www.davisnet.com/support/weather/download/DirectFromPC_vp2_cabled_1_90.exe)


For those who were experiencing issues and used the links to go back, you are most welcome! Hopefully Davis will clarify these caveats and restore the links to FW ver 1.90 on their site.

Title: Re: VP2 v3 Firmware updates now posted
Post by: Weather Display on March 03, 2013, 01:29:14 PM
note that the software issues with VWS and WUHU are only if you use those via VVP with the firmware update
Title: Re: VP2 v3 Firmware updates now posted
Post by: smorris on March 03, 2013, 04:30:23 PM
Logger hardware is identical between Windows and Mac environments - no difference at all. You're possibly thinking of the USBXpress and VCP modes of operation of the logger. If the logger has been used in USBX mode on a Windows system then it will likely need reverting to VCP mode before using on a Mac, but many users leave their logger in VCP mode anyway. (I don't think that Mac software supports SiLAbs USBX drivers?)

If you're using a (virtual?) Windows environment then the Direct from PC F/W updates ought to work I would have thought. Otherwsie you'll need to buy/loan a VP2 updater.

Thanks John, that may very well be what's confusing me. You are correct on the USBX support, as the only Mac driver is the CP210 USB to UART Bridge. I'll just have to find what I need to install on the Windows side to "see" the console.

Thanks,
Steve
Title: Re: VP2 v3 Firmware updates now posted
Post by: torkelmj on March 04, 2013, 01:34:39 AM
I'll be darned.  Sounds to me like they saw the error in their ways with the "It's complicated" response, did the right thing, and dropped the logger check.  Good stuff!!!  My guess is the heat put on by the bad press and reverse engineering effort here probably didn't hurt.

About the ONLY sensible thing they could do. Bet the bad press and negative customer feedback, along with the progress in reverse engineering of the SPI comms gave 'em no reason to keep them painting themselves into that corner...
Title: Re: VP2 v3 Firmware updates now posted
Post by: Tornado Tim on March 04, 2013, 02:06:45 AM
Updated to Firmware v3.12 on my 2009 Davis VP2 :)
Title: Re: VP2 v3 Firmware updates now posted
Post by: Ray Proudfoot on March 04, 2013, 07:07:43 AM
Bit the bullet and updated from 1.9 to 3.12 this morning. Happy to report it went smoothly. It took a couple of minutes for the console to display info from my two transmitters (ISS and anemometer) but other than that a stress-free experience.

For info I'm running Cumulus, WeatherLink and VPLive via VPP.
Title: Re: VP2 v3 Firmware updates now posted
Post by: TheBum on March 04, 2013, 05:17:27 PM
I upgraded from 1.82 to 3.12 on my console, and from 1.90 to 3.12 on my Envoy. Both updates went smoothly.
Title: Re: VP2 v3 Firmware updates now posted
Post by: dalecoy on March 06, 2013, 03:52:16 PM
This seems to conclusively define the situation regarding old (analog sensor) consoles.

Question:
Quote
To: Support email
Subject: VP2 Console Firmware

I have two VP2 cabled consoles, manufacture codes A50425A63 and A50804A28.  Firmware version 1.90

I have been told that the most recent firmware, version 3.12, will not work with those VP2 consoles.  Is that true?

If so, when will a compatible firmware version be available?

Answer:
Quote
Unfortunately, that is true.  The consoles from the generation of yours were on an analog protocol, and later consoles are on a digital protocol.  The 3.12 firmware only supports the digital protocol.  Our engineers are aware of this and will probably release a firmware update that supports the older consoles.  I can't exactly when or if that will happen, unfortunately.

Gerry Thrash
Technical Support
Davis Instruments, Inc.
Title: Re: VP2 v3 Firmware updates now posted
Post by: johnd on March 06, 2013, 04:10:17 PM
This seems to conclusively define the situation regarding old (analog sensor) consoles.

There is a warning on the F/W download page about this (added yesterday I believe).
Title: Re: VP2 v3 Firmware updates now posted
Post by: dalecoy on March 06, 2013, 04:43:05 PM
Quote
IMPORTANT! This firmware is only for Vantage Pro2 Wireless Consoles manufactured after April 2006 (#6312, #6312OV, #6312UK, #6312EU). The Inside Temp, Inside Hum, and Barometer readings will not appear if 3.12 firmware is installed on consoles manufactured before April 2006.

That would have been really convenient if they had told folks how to determine the manufacture date of their console.
Title: Re: VP2 v3 Firmware updates now posted
Post by: johnd on March 06, 2013, 04:54:00 PM
That would have been really convenient if they had told folks how to determine the manufacture date of their console.

Which would be: The F/W update will not work if the first 3 digits of your console Mfg Code (read as a number) is lower than 605. (To be on the safe side - not 100% sure whether to include April or not.)
Title: Re: VP2 v3 Firmware updates now posted
Post by: dalecoy on March 06, 2013, 05:11:53 PM
That would have been really convenient if they had told folks how to determine the manufacture date of their console.

Which would be: The F/W update will not work if the first 3 digits of your console Mfg Code (read as a number) is lower than 605. (To be on the safe side - not 100% sure whether to include April or not.)

Yes, we know that here on the forum - much thanks to the folks who posted the information a few days ago.  My point was that most folks who just go to the download site will be wondering.
Title: Re: VP2 v3 Firmware updates now posted
Post by: W3DRM on March 06, 2013, 07:39:32 PM
Just received a reply from Davis Support to my email on March 1st. It reads as follows:

Quote
Hello Don,

I hope your day is going well.

I’m glad you were able to get your console back on v1.90.  The problem is related to older consoles.  Consoles manufactured before April 2006 are not compatible with the firmware.  I’m sorry for the inconvenience.  This note was added to the firmware download page later.

For additional assistance and troubleshooting please contact us @ 510-732-7814, Monday through Friday, 7:00 a.m. to 5:30 p.m., Pacific Time.

Davis has recently posted a notice on their firmware webpage for this latest update. It reads as follows:

Quote
2/7/2013: Vantage Pro2 Wireless Console Firmware, Direct PC Install, 3.12
Vantage Pro2 Wireless Console Firmware, Direct PC Install
Download (508 KB)

Before You Install
IMPORTANT! This firmware is only for Vantage Pro2 Wireless Consoles manufactured after April 2006 (#6312, #6312OV, #6312UK, #6312EU). The Inside Temp, Inside Hum, and Barometer readings will not appear if 3.12 firmware is installed on consoles manufactured before April 2006.

So, the bottom line, as has been mentioned several times in this thread, is that if you have a Davis Vantage Pro2 Console (cabled or wireless) or a Vantage Pro2 Envoy (cabled or wireless) with a manufacturing code PRIOR TO April 2006, DO NOT INSTALL the 3.12 firmware update.

Did Davis make a mistake by not testing this firmware update adequately? Apparently so but, as they have always done in the past and now in this case, are relatively quickly responding to their customers and correcting their errors once they are aware of them.

Collectively, the members of this forum who own Davis VP2's have done their part by testing and verifying the problems many of us experienced with this firmware update. My thanks goes to the tireless efforts many of you have put into this effort and I am proud to be a member of this forum.

Title: Re: VP2 v3 Firmware updates now posted
Post by: JACK10562 on March 06, 2013, 07:52:38 PM
Many of us don't mind doing a little "beta-testing" as long as we can cleanly fall-back if something doesn't work out quite the way we expect.

Who knew that a few 3rd party programs might stop working correctly as a result of applying this update?   :-)

All's well that ends well.
Title: Re: VP2 v3 Firmware updates now posted
Post by: W3DRM on March 06, 2013, 08:10:33 PM
Somewhere in one of the threads on this subject, mention was made that Virtual VP (VVP) software written by 'tinplate' may have some problems with the new 3.12 firmware release due to it not being able to utilize loop2 commands. Can someone who is more knowledgeable of this issue please clarify if, in fact, there is a problem with the existing version of VVP being able to work with both the latest firmware and VWS.

If there are problems with VVP when using 3.12 firmware and VWS or any other programs, we need to know that and, whether Steve (tinplate) will be able to update his VVP software to run correctly with the latest firmware release. If this can't be done, then what other options are available for VP2 users to run multiple programs as we have with VVP?

Moderators - Perhaps this should be a new thread - feel free to move it to a new thread if deemed necessary to do so.

Title: Re: VP2 v3 Firmware updates now posted
Post by: Weather Display on March 06, 2013, 08:54:31 PM
the problem is most likely that VWS detects,via the vantagepro.dll, a firmware that can handle the LOOP2 command
and so switches to using that
but VVP does not pass on that command..so no communication occurs
Steve knows about this and it was on his list of things to do
Title: Re: VP2 v3 Firmware updates now posted
Post by: W3DRM on March 06, 2013, 09:25:46 PM
the problem is most likely that VWS detects,via the vantagepro.dll, a firmware that can handle the LOOP2 command
and so switches to using that
but VVP does not pass on that command..so no communication occurs
Steve knows about this and it was on his list of things to do

Thanks Brian - that answers my question. Let's hope that Steve will be able to find the time to make those enhancements.

Title: Re: VP2 v3 Firmware updates now posted
Post by: Weather Display on March 06, 2013, 09:53:13 PM
It was july last year that he last posted here though
Title: Re: VP2 v3 Firmware updates now posted
Post by: W3DRM on March 06, 2013, 10:04:43 PM
Yes, I know that and is why I am concerned that we may never hear from him again.  :-(

Title: Re: VP2 v3 Firmware updates now posted
Post by: TheBum on March 07, 2013, 12:40:26 AM
That would have been really convenient if they had told folks how to determine the manufacture date of their console.

Which would be: The F/W update will not work if the first 3 digits of your console Mfg Code (read as a number) is lower than 605. (To be on the safe side - not 100% sure whether to include April or not.)

I'm seeing all the data on my console and my manufacturing code starts with A604, so apparently April is OK.
Title: Re: VP2 v3 Firmware updates now posted
Post by: W3DRM on March 07, 2013, 12:45:33 AM
That would have been really convenient if they had told folks how to determine the manufacture date of their console.

Which would be: The F/W update will not work if the first 3 digits of your console Mfg Code (read as a number) is lower than 605. (To be on the safe side - not 100% sure whether to include April or not.)

I'm seeing all the data on my console and my manufacturing code starts with A604, so apparently April is OK.

That is correct - According to what I posted earlier from Davis, only manufacturing codes PRIOR TO April 2006 were NOT compatible with the 3.12 firmware update.

Title: Re: VP2 v3 Firmware updates now posted
Post by: user3162 on March 09, 2013, 11:00:10 AM
Since I have an old system, I didn't even try to update the firmware. Meanwhile, I wanted to have the uv and solar sensors calibrated and repaired. The bubble level on the one doesn't have a bubble anymore. I contacted Davis, they said $140 for them both, or $112 to overhaul the whole system. Sort a no brainer. After re-reading SLOweather's thread on the refurb, I decided to send the console and data logger along, see if they give me the new firmware. If yes, OK, if not, the old firmare was working fine. The only downside to this, it cost almost as much to package and ship as the refurb!
Title: Re: VP2 v3 Firmware updates now posted
Post by: dalecoy on March 09, 2013, 11:04:35 AM
Please let us know the results.
Title: Re: VP2 v3 Firmware updates now posted
Post by: JACK10562 on March 09, 2013, 08:04:54 PM
Quote from: user3162
The only downside to this, it cost almost as much to package and ship as the refurb!

How could it possibly cost so much, did you ship it FedEx overnight?
Title: Re: VP2 v3 Firmware updates now posted
Post by: user3162 on March 09, 2013, 08:18:31 PM
Quote from: user3162
The only downside to this, it cost almost as much to package and ship as the refurb!

How could it possibly cost so much, did you ship it FedEx overnight?

She asked if I wanted a quote for the packaging, but didn't ask about the shipping. I think it was pricey because of the size. The allen screw was stripped, so I couldn't take the anemometer apart. The price was, ground commercial $69.01, for a total with the packaging of $92.51. I did flinch, but, well, I had to ship it.

 When I get it back I will report on the firmware status.
Title: Re: VP2 v3 Firmware updates now posted
Post by: Astronomer on March 09, 2013, 10:04:56 PM
Looks like my VP2 base station had some issues. The update bricked it. Here's an (edited*) copy of what I emailed Davis' tech support:

Good evening,

On May 10, 2012, I purchased a Vantage Pro2. It appeared to be working fine for the past 10 months. I did notice many connection errors in my Cumulus software logs, and I read that the 3.12 update would fix this issue, as well as improve accuracy etc. My firmware version was 1.90. I ran the update, and the firmware update failed with a "Program Page Failed" error. I then tried to re-flash to v. 1.90, and the same error occurred at the same point (see attached image). My wireless receiver was unresponsive at this point, so I removed the batteries and unplugged it. Upon plugging it back in it emitted a long beep and then...nothing. The screen is blank and there is no power to the unit. I also put the batteries back in with the same result. The manufacturing code on the unit is A120124P046.

*Edited to omit where purchased, order #, etc.

(http://)
Title: Re: VP2 v3 Firmware updates now posted
Post by: TheBum on March 09, 2013, 10:09:41 PM
Looks like my VP2 base station had some issues. The update bricked it. Here's an (edited*) copy of what I emailed Davis' tech support:

Good evening,

On May 10, 2012, I purchased a Vantage Pro2. It appeared to be working fine for the past 10 months. I did notice many connection errors in my Cumulus software logs, and I read that the 3.12 update would fix this issue, as well as improve accuracy etc. My firmware version was 1.90. I ran the update, and the firmware update failed with a "Program Page Failed" error. I then tried to re-flash to v. 1.90, and the same error occurred at the same point (see attached image). My wireless receiver was unresponsive at this point, so I removed the batteries and unplugged it. Upon plugging it back in it emitted a long beep and then...nothing. The screen is blank and there is no power to the unit. I also put the batteries back in with the same result. The manufacturing code on the unit is A120124P046.

*Edited to omit where purchased, order #, etc.

(http://)

Sounds like the flash memory went bad.
Title: Re: VP2 v3 Firmware updates now posted
Post by: Astronomer on March 09, 2013, 10:18:41 PM
That was my thought. I'm 20+ years in the IT industry and I've been into electronics for a long time, so I've seen this sort of thing before. It's a pain in the backside, but as my wife would say, "it's a first-world problem", so I'll be patient. Davis has a good reputation for service, so I expect I'll be back up and running fairly quickly.
Title: Re: VP2 v3 Firmware updates now posted
Post by: kalenshah on March 10, 2013, 09:07:35 AM
I have successfully updated my VP2 Wireless console firmware from 1.90 to 3.12 using weather-link IP. It took several minutes to complete. During the update the console was unresponsive which was expected and once the update was complete, the console rebooted and all returned to normal. I had to re sync the time however as it was the same as when the update started.
Title: Re: VP2 v3 Firmware updates now posted
Post by: Bunty on March 12, 2013, 09:21:20 PM
People who are using VP Live should be warned that the latest versions of Weatherlink, such as 6.02, won't do uploads after firmware 3.12 is installed.  However, at least one of the earlier versions of Weatherlink will upload, one of which is 5.8.2.  This is speaking from my own experience.  So unless you have a good reason for sticking with a quite recent version of Weatherlink, try an earlier version of Weatherlink, if it's on your computer, before reinstalling 1.90 firmware.  I have not heard of any fixes.  This is only if you are using VP Live.
Title: Re: VP2 v3 Firmware updates now posted
Post by: WeerInMontfort on March 13, 2013, 10:02:56 AM
I have run into the same problem as Astronomer did.

I updated using a 6555 IP data logger connection and ended up with a non responsive console (VP2 wireless console with manufacturing date also in April 2012).
However, when I replaced the 6555 IP data logger with a 6520 USB data logger I borrowed from a friend, I was able to install the 3.12 firmware.
Now both the VP2 console and my website are up and running again (using firmware 3.12).

Probably the update program has some issues using TCP-IP resulting in communication errors and bricking the console.
Therefore I would not advise to update when you are using a 6555 IP data logger in combination with a VP2 console.

Kind regards, Weer in Montfort
http://www.inmontfort.nl/cwim/ (http://www.inmontfort.nl/cwim/)

Looks like my VP2 base station had some issues. The update bricked it. Here's an (edited*) copy of what I emailed Davis' tech support:

Good evening,

On May 10, 2012, I purchased a Vantage Pro2. It appeared to be working fine for the past 10 months. I did notice many connection errors in my Cumulus software logs, and I read that the 3.12 update would fix this issue, as well as improve accuracy etc. My firmware version was 1.90. I ran the update, and the firmware update failed with a "Program Page Failed" error. I then tried to re-flash to v. 1.90, and the same error occurred at the same point (see attached image). My wireless receiver was unresponsive at this point, so I removed the batteries and unplugged it. Upon plugging it back in it emitted a long beep and then...nothing. The screen is blank and there is no power to the unit. I also put the batteries back in with the same result. The manufacturing code on the unit is A120124P046.

*Edited to omit where purchased, order #, etc.

(http://)
Title: Re: VP2 v3 Firmware updates now posted
Post by: johnd on March 13, 2013, 11:03:10 AM
I updated using a 6555 IP data logger connection and ended up with a non responsive console (VP2 wireless console with manufacturing date also in April 2012).

I'd be interested in the symptoms with your console. I've seen the same thing but updating an 'analogue' VP2 console via 6555 logger (before this was identified as a known issue). However, the update did seem to complete successfully, if very slowly, before the console rebooted with the 'digital sensors not found' ticker message. So my take was that updating via a 6555 logger was OK, if not to be recommended because of the time it takes.
Title: Re: VP2 v3 Firmware updates now posted
Post by: WeerInMontfort on March 13, 2013, 11:30:30 AM
I updated using a 6555 IP data logger connection and ended up with a non responsive console (VP2 wireless console with manufacturing date also in April 2012).

I'd be interested in the symptoms with your console. I've seen the same thing but updating an 'analogue' VP2 console via 6555 logger (before this was identified as a known issue). However, the update did seem to complete successfully, if very slowly, before the console rebooted with the 'digital sensors not found' ticker message. So my take was that updating via a 6555 logger was OK, if not to be recommended because of the time it takes.

The symptoms are:
- the update process starts normal and (not extremely slow) it counts the successfull updated pages (i believe the complete update is some 700 pages)
- the update process halts after some successfull updates (I tried this a few times, in most cases only 10 to 20 pages are successfully updated)
- less than half a minute later the PC update program shows the error message "Program Page Failed"
- sometimes this is followed by the error message "Communication Error" (also from the PC update program, not on the console)
- you then can retry or stop trying & reboot your console
- after rebooting the console there is one bleep and an empty screen (no error messages are shown).

Hope this helps you...
Title: Re: VP2 v3 Firmware updates now posted
Post by: johnd on March 13, 2013, 01:20:36 PM
OK, thanks. No I definitely didn't see this same problem with the IP logger. I wonder if you had some network issues?
Title: Re: VP2 v3 Firmware updates now posted
Post by: EW1628 on March 13, 2013, 01:29:48 PM
I was able to successfully upgrade my VP2 to v3.12 with WeatherLink IP. The console was running v 3.0 firmware prior to the upgrade. I'm not sure what the manufacture date of my console is, but I bought it new in November of last year. The upgrade fixed the communication problems I was having with Cumulus.
Title: Re: VP2 v3 Firmware updates now posted
Post by: Astronomer on March 17, 2013, 06:43:37 PM
I updated using a 6555 IP data logger connection and ended up with a non responsive console (VP2 wireless console with manufacturing date also in April 2012).

I'd be interested in the symptoms with your console. I've seen the same thing but updating an 'analogue' VP2 console via 6555 logger (before this was identified as a known issue). However, the update did seem to complete successfully, if very slowly, before the console rebooted with the 'digital sensors not found' ticker message. So my take was that updating via a 6555 logger was OK, if not to be recommended because of the time it takes.

The symptoms are:
- the update process starts normal and (not extremely slow) it counts the successfull updated pages (i believe the complete update is some 700 pages)
- the update process halts after some successfull updates (I tried this a few times, in most cases only 10 to 20 pages are successfully updated)
- less than half a minute later the PC update program shows the error message "Program Page Failed"
- sometimes this is followed by the error message "Communication Error" (also from the PC update program, not on the console)
- you then can retry or stop trying & reboot your console
- after rebooting the console there is one bleep and an empty screen (no error messages are shown).

Hope this helps you...

Those are the symptoms that I experienced with my console. UPS should have my unit delivered to Davis Instruments on Monday.
Title: Re: VP2 v3 Firmware updates now posted
Post by: broadstairs on March 20, 2013, 02:17:30 PM
I am in a position where soon I will have to replace my old (2004 vintage) VP1 and all this worries me as financing both a VP2 and new logger is not really on. I was expecting my logger to be compatible.

I would appreciate it if anyone can clarify what does work from practical experience, which loggers (both Davis and clone) do actually work with firmware V3.12 and if so is this on a new console or an upgraded one?

Stuart
Title: Re: VP2 v3 Firmware updates now posted
Post by: RainmanWeather on March 20, 2013, 02:54:29 PM
I am in a position where soon I will have to replace my old (2004 vintage) VP1 and all this worries me as financing both a VP2 and new logger is not really on. I was expecting my logger to be compatible.

I would appreciate it if anyone can clarify what does work from practical experience, which loggers (both Davis and clone) do actually work with firmware V3.12 and if so is this on a new console or an upgraded one?

Stuart

Not to worry Stuart if you already have a Davis logger. As of FW 3.12 it should work anyways, but if not Davis will replace with a current version if it does not work due to the firmware.

Title: Re: VP2 v3 Firmware updates now posted
Post by: broadstairs on March 20, 2013, 04:50:02 PM
Not to worry Stuart if you already have a Davis logger. As of FW 3.12 it should work anyways, but if not Davis will replace with a current version if it does not work due to the firmware.

I somehow doubt that this would be the case with an 8year old logger that I would get a replacement for anything less than full price, at least not here in the UK. I would still like to know exactly what people have found to be wokring and not working with both Davis and clone loggers.

stuart
Title: Re: VP2 v3 Firmware updates now posted
Post by: dalecoy on March 20, 2013, 05:20:49 PM
... I would still like to know exactly what people have found to be wokring and not working with both Davis and clone loggers.

stuart

Spend some time working through the reports in this thread. 

[You will find reports that newer consoles with Firmware version 3.12 currently work with any available logger]
Title: Re: VP2 v3 Firmware updates now posted
Post by: johnd on March 20, 2013, 05:53:16 PM
[You will find reports that newer consoles with Firmware version 3.12 currently work with any available logger]

Not for me it doesn't. 'Incompatible logger' with an older logger in a green dot (wireless) console with v3.12 loaded.
Title: Re: VP2 v3 Firmware updates now posted
Post by: dalecoy on March 20, 2013, 06:39:01 PM
[You will find reports that newer consoles with Firmware version 3.12 currently work with any available logger]

Not for me it doesn't. 'Incompatible logger' with an older logger in a green dot (wireless) console with v3.12 loaded.

Oh.  Well, there we have it.  Sorry I missed that report.  Apparently I wasn't paying sufficient attention.

Is there a simple rule (like "v3.12 doesn't work with old or 3rd party loggers")?  Or a compatibility matrix?

Title: Re: VP2 v3 Firmware updates now posted
Post by: moehoward4 on March 20, 2013, 07:32:35 PM
I did the update (from 1.90 to 3.12) using belfryboy's clone logger connected to my 6 YEAR old console. I HAD to go back to 1.90 because I use VVP to hook up to WL, WD, and VWS, and VWS would not work at all. WL and WD worked like it did before the update. It is VERY confusing as to what will or will not work with this BS that Davis has dropped on ALL of us.....VERY disappointed in Davis right now because their info/tech support does not provide ACCURATE information.      side note   Cumulus would also work just fine....VWS would not, so I don't know who is to blame. Just my 2 bits.....
Title: Re: VP2 v3 Firmware updates now posted
Post by: RainmanWeather on March 20, 2013, 07:38:08 PM
[You will find reports that newer consoles with Firmware version 3.12 currently work with any available logger]

Not for me it doesn't. 'Incompatible logger' with an older logger in a green dot (wireless) console with v3.12 loaded.

Oh.  Well, there we have it.  Sorry I missed that report.  Apparently I wasn't paying sufficient attention.

Is there a simple rule (like "v3.12 doesn't work with old or 3rd party loggers")?  Or a compatibility matrix?



Johnd I wonder what version is giving incompatible logger? I just verified an old 6540 (Serial, APRS streaming) that I had laying around worked just fine with VP2 Wireless FW 3.12 - 6540 mfg code A60315A44

I have also verified that the SLOWeather DSI-01 Serial cable works with FW 3.12.. I even have an old DB9 adapter for that one that was before he put in the jumpers.

seems mixed results still at this point
Title: Re: VP2 v3 Firmware updates now posted
Post by: RainmanWeather on March 20, 2013, 07:48:50 PM
Not to worry Stuart if you already have a Davis logger. As of FW 3.12 it should work anyways, but if not Davis will replace with a current version if it does not work due to the firmware.

I somehow doubt that this would be the case with an 8year old logger that I would get a replacement for anything less than full price, at least not here in the UK. I would still like to know exactly what people have found to be wokring and not working with both Davis and clone loggers.

stuart

Stuart, I apologise, unfortunately you are most likely correct. Davis has said that they will replace non-working loggers in the US, but I believe that it is up to the individual distributors in other regions.

I think there was one person who did get a replacement in the US posted on this board but have not heard of any other reports either way.
Title: Re: VP2 v3 Firmware updates now posted
Post by: dalecoy on March 20, 2013, 10:23:13 PM

I think there was one person who did get a replacement in the US posted on this board but have not heard of any other reports either way.


As I recall, that person worked through a personal friend who lives in the US.

Apparently, the best advice may be to send email to Davis, asking the compatibility question about your particular situation. 

Stuart, I don't recall if you mentioned what software you are using.  I don't personally blame Davis if they change something and it breaks software that Davis isn't selling or promoting (yes, it's unfortunate, but when you get software you should think about whether it will be supported in a timely fashion).  But if you are not using (just) WeatherLink, you should look at those details, too.
Title: Re: VP2 v3 Firmware updates now posted
Post by: Weather Display on March 20, 2013, 10:28:31 PM
he does not have a problem with the software he is using
Title: Re: VP2 v3 Firmware updates now posted
Post by: broadstairs on March 21, 2013, 04:35:53 AM
he does not have a problem with the software he is using

Brian is correct I'm a Weather Display user  ;) My problem is that I have an old VP1 which I want to upgrade to a VP2, but being retired I dont have bottomless pockets, and my plan WAS to buy a cabled VP2 and use my existing 2004 vintage logger. Now I find that Davis have basically screwed me on this because I will get a 'green dot' console and it is highly likely that my logger wont work even if it comes with 3.12 installed. The chances of getting a free replacement for a 9 year old logger is less than zero here in the UK. So I am now in a position that if I want to upgrade to a VP2 it is going to cost me at least £100 more (if I can find a bundle of cabled VP2 plus logger). I already know that the supplier with the most competitive prices here in the UK is only going to have 'green dot' consoles so there is very little chance of finding a new non-green dot VP2 and certainly not at an affordable price. I dont really want another make of station, I'd probably give up rather than have one of the cheaper options.

I think Davis have behaved appallingly over this, yes it is their call on how they upgrade models but to my mind this is a PR disaster. They have created a situation which is likely to harm their reputation with existing users.

What I am hoping is that in the next few weeks we will get some real tests done by folks who have the new VP2 consoles and how and where they work with which loggers both clone and Davis. I hope that the clone makers will be able to bypass the problems which Davis have created which I suspect will be possible as it is unlikely they have completely re-engineered the loggers to do this.

Stuart
Title: Re: VP2 v3 Firmware updates now posted
Post by: Tornado Tim on March 21, 2013, 05:29:34 AM
So if you have a new console and upgrade to 3.12 this still wont solve the logger incompatibility?
Title: Re: VP2 v3 Firmware updates now posted
Post by: broadstairs on March 21, 2013, 06:00:31 AM
So if you have a new console and upgrade to 3.12 this still wont solve the logger incompatibility?

Two points, first if I get a new console and it has 3.0 on it I wont be able to update it because I dont have a new logger, and second even if it comes with 3.12 already there is no way of knowing if my 9 year old logger will work with it. There is so much unknown over all this right now. The only way to guarantee a working system is a new VP2 AND a new logger.

Stuart
Title: Re: VP2 v3 Firmware updates now posted
Post by: torkelmj on March 21, 2013, 08:22:15 AM
FWIW, I'll throw in this information as I just played around with a spare VP2 console.

What I started out with (probably stuff in here which isn't relevant - but it's all from the label at the rear of the console):
- VP2P console
- FW version 1.90
- FW date Sep 29 2009
- Product #3212EU
- Model #6162EU
- Mfg. code A120531Pxxxx
- ISS E
- HUM J
- Final insp. ZD

I downloaded the v. 3.12 FW from the davisnet.com web site and set up the FT232RL USB-to-serial device, hooking it up to the console. I DO NOT use any kind of data logger at all.

Verified in a terminal screen that the console replied to the TEST command and various other commands.

Ran the FW v. 3.12 installer and asked it to look for the console at the COM port now available via the FT232RL device.
Came back with the expected "device found" and "bootware version 1.1" dialog.

Firmware update went along without any problems. Took a minute or two.
Console reset itself.

And, the great thing: the serial line is still available (...as it should be...). I can still talk to the console AND get valid data back from it without using a data logger.
FW is now reported as v. 3.12, dated Dec 11 2012.

Title: Re: VP2 v3 Firmware updates now posted
Post by: johnd on March 21, 2013, 10:13:08 AM
FWIW, I'll throw in this information as I just played around with a spare VP2 console.

- Mfg. code A120531Pxxxx

That is a non-green-dot console and so yes it's unsurprising that it's OK. Where there's controversy is about the green-dot console hardware, not the firmware.
Title: Re: VP2 v3 Firmware updates now posted
Post by: broadstairs on March 21, 2013, 10:20:34 AM
Does anyone know if you can connect a non-green dot console to a green dot ISS (either wireless or cabled), I would have thought it should work but in light of all this controversy thought I'd ask the question!

Stuart
Title: Re: VP2 v3 Firmware updates now posted
Post by: johnd on March 21, 2013, 10:28:50 AM
Johnd I wonder what version is giving incompatible logger?

Some images to demonstrate the point. So:

Console is AA Mfg code, so a green dot one (one of the first, certainly, but green dot nonetheless)
Test logger is a USB logger from 2004
Firmware updated to 3.12
Incompatible logger message shows clearly

Clearly, at least some combinations of green dot console and older loggers are not compatible even with v3.12 firmware. Maybe some other combinations are compatible. This was obviously with a USB logger - that's one possible factor. Maybe the console region makes a difference - this was an EU one - but doesn't seem very likely to me. But overall this is why I'm saying that the only safe assumption is that green dot consoles need green dot WL loggers - at least until we can see more pattern in what works and what doesn't.

Obviously, this test is only with a WL logger - it doesn't say anything about clone loggers or adapters.
Title: Re: VP2 v3 Firmware updates now posted
Post by: dalecoy on March 21, 2013, 10:51:27 AM

I think Davis have behaved appallingly over this, yes it is their call on how they upgrade models but to my mind this is a PR disaster. They have created a situation which is likely to harm their reputation with existing users.


Well, if you look at http://www.wxforum.net/index.php?topic=17198.msg166704#msg166704 , you will see that I agree with you (4 months ago) regarding the word "disaster".  Although I think I said support disaster.

But regarding your situation, I still think an email to Davis just asking about compatibility would be a rather inexpensive thing to do.  It would certainly constitute an implied complaint.  And might do some good?

Title: Re: VP2 v3 Firmware updates now posted
Post by: dalecoy on March 21, 2013, 11:13:58 AM
johnd, thanks for the comprehensive documentation. 

Of course, that clearly verifies the posted quote from Davis support that the situation is "complicated". 

Suggestion: would you perform the same test with a green-dot Vue? 
Title: Re: VP2 v3 Firmware updates now posted
Post by: johnd on March 21, 2013, 11:47:16 AM
Suggestion: would you perform the same test with a green-dot Vue? 

That probably needs to be a future test - last time I looked, the Vues we're currently getting through are still at v3.00 revision and a Vue update to v3.12 has not been posted online at Davis yet.
Title: Re: VP2 v3 Firmware updates now posted
Post by: dalecoy on March 21, 2013, 01:54:16 PM
Suggestion: would you perform the same test with a green-dot Vue?  

That probably needs to be a future test - last time I looked, the Vues we're currently getting through are still at v3.00 revision and a Vue update to v3.12 has not been posted online at Davis yet.

OK, thanks.

I'm betting you would agree that it would be very helpful if Davis would clarify this "complicated" situation.

Regarding logger replacement (at least related to the VP2), Davis says in  
 http://www.davisnet.com/support/weather/faq/answer/index.asp?ProdFam=15&faqCat=5&faqid=121

"It is not our intention to make you buy new data loggers. Most customers don't need one. If you experience trouble with a new console and your Davis data logger, please contact Technical Support. They are happy to work with you to problem solve and if appropriate will arrange for a new Davis data logger in exchange for your old Davis data logger"

No definition of "appropriate" - but my definition would be "Davis built it, I have it, and I didn't break it".

No definition of "happy", either.
Title: Re: VP2 v3 Firmware updates now posted
Post by: johnd on March 21, 2013, 02:23:02 PM
I'm betting you would agree that it would be very helpful if Davis would clarify this "complicated" situation.

Yes, I don't think they're doing themselves any favours by not disclosing a bit more information about the technical need for the change. As a result, some at least are choosing to think the worst.

Quote
Regarding logger replacement...

I'm going to have to repeat a familiar tune here. It depends whether you talking about within the US or 'overseas'. Davis are able to do realistically whatever they choose within the US - they are the primary (the only?) support centre, they can get new loggers at bare production price (which may be pretty low) and are big enough to absorb the admin costs of supplying swapout loggers. I've no reason to think that they're not implementing their policy in the US as announced.

But when it comes to the consequences of these PR announcements for the overseas supply chain they don't always think through the mechanism of how it's going to work in quite enough detail or get buy-in from overseas distributors and dealers. It's well-meaning but sometimes a bit light on the practical details. We would need a supply of free loggers, some guidelines as to when they could be offered to customers and how the admin and shipping costs were to be covered and so on. I'll let you guess how much we've heard on this front  :-(.
Title: Re: VP2 v3 Firmware updates now posted
Post by: dalecoy on March 21, 2013, 02:58:19 PM
But when it comes to the consequences of these PR announcements for the overseas supply chain they don't always think through the mechanism of how it's going to work in quite enough detail or get buy-in from overseas distributors and dealers. It's well-meaning but sometimes a bit light on the practical details. We would need a supply of free loggers, some guidelines as to when they could be offered to customers and how the admin and shipping costs were to be covered and so on. I'll let you guess how much we've heard on this front  :-(.

Certainly. 

However, I believe that the situation might be improved if a few non-US customers politely but publicly and firmly communicate to Davis that they see the promise to "arrange for a new Davis data logger in exchange for your old Davis data logger", and insist that Davis honor that promise.  Whatever that entails. 

Enough traffic might encourage Davis to "think through the mechanism".

Also, for non-US owners, it is not necessary to be located in the US, to file a complaint with the Better Business Bureau in the US.  I'll supply a direct link below.  I should note that Davis is not "accredited" by the BBB (which means they haven't applied), and is not rated at all - because there has only been one complaint filed in the last 3 years.  I presume there are similar unofficial but powerful rating organizations in many countries. 

The generic link would be http://www.bbb.org/us/Find-Business-Reviews/ - but a direct link to an appropriate place is:

http://www.bbb.org/greater-san-francisco/business-reviews/musical-instruments-dealers/davis-instruments-in-hayward-ca-49463

There is a "quick link" at the right, to "file a complaint"
Title: Re: VP2 v3 Firmware updates now posted
Post by: dbrown98500 on March 21, 2013, 04:18:17 PM
I had an almost 10 year old Vantage Pro with a data logger of the same vintage.  I just purchased a new Vantage Pro2 from Scientific Sales, and planned to put my old data logger into it.  Of course it didn't work, but a simple phone call to Davis tech support and they shipped me a new unit via UPS, no credit card, no upfront fees...I was on the phone with support for perhaps 5-10 minutes at the most.

All they asked for was to throw the old unit back in the box and ship it back, which I just did.

Personally, I think it's pretty good customer service after 10 years to replace a part, no questions asked.  I work in the broadcast engineering business, and many pieces of our gear are obsolete after alot fewer years than that, and there's no way a manufacturer would ship a part for free for something that old.
Title: Re: VP2 v3 Firmware updates now posted
Post by: broadstairs on March 21, 2013, 04:32:08 PM
I had an almost 10 year old Vantage Pro with a data logger of the same vintage.  I just purchased a new Vantage Pro2 from Scientific Sales, and planned to put my old data logger into it.  Of course it didn't work, but a simple phone call to Davis tech support and they shipped me a new unit via UPS, no credit card, no upfront fees...I was on the phone with support for perhaps 5-10 minutes at the most.

All they asked for was to throw the old unit back in the box and ship it back, which I just did.

Personally, I think it's pretty good customer service after 10 years to replace a part, no questions asked.  I work in the broadcast engineering business, and many pieces of our gear are obsolete after alot fewer years than that, and there's no way a manufacturer would ship a part for free for something that old.

This is good customer service from one perspective but I guess you are in the USA. The likelihood of this happening here in the UK or elsewhere in the EU is zilch, zero, nought. I can see very little logic in creating a situation like this, however you look at it this is going to cost them money. I doubt that they have considered the impact on customers outside of the US. Their agents here are unlikely to take the hit on their bottom line.

Stuart
Title: Re: VP2 v3 Firmware updates now posted
Post by: Beaudog on March 21, 2013, 05:01:33 PM
I think all of you guys are out of touch. If I buy a brand new car I don't expect the parts off of my ten year old one to fit the new one and neither do most people.    I also don't expect or want the parts off of a 5 year old TV to fit the new one that I buy.   If you want new a better stuff you got to except that the old stuff is gonna stop working.
Title: Re: VP2 v3 Firmware updates now posted
Post by: dalecoy on March 21, 2013, 05:36:40 PM
The likelihood of this happening here in the UK or elsewhere in the EU is zilch, zero, nought.
Stuart

I respect your opinion.  However, do you have any evidence (in this particular situation of the Davis logger) that this would not be the case, right now, from Davis?

Has someone tried, recently?  Has someone contacted Davis recently (from UK or EU) and asked? 

It would be helpful if someone reports actual experience, rather than "likelihood".
Title: Re: VP2 v3 Firmware updates now posted
Post by: SLOweather on March 21, 2013, 06:17:56 PM
I think all of you guys are out of touch. If I buy a brand new car I don't expect the parts off of my ten year old one to fit the new one and neither do most people.    I also don't expect or want the parts off of a 5 year old TV to fit the new one that I buy.   If you want new a better stuff you got to except that the old stuff is gonna stop working.

Your analogy falls down a little. If I buy a Chevy truck new, and 5 years later I buy the same model Chevy truck new, and it uses the same size rims and tires, I expect that rims and tires from my old truck would not only fit, but would work just fine on the new one. I wouldn't expect that the old tires and rims, when installed properly on the new truck, would mysteriously stop working as intended to roll the truck down the road.

In Davis's case, there is no outward sign (save some obscure dots and manufacturing codes) of what WeatherLinks and consoles will or won't work together. If they wanted to make this match your analogy, then they should have changed the model or name of the consoles/stations, and also the design of the expansion connector, such that there would be no confusion. That's like the WMII logger not working in a VP2 or Vue console.

And, while they have apparently tried to fix the situation, they have made it a little more confusing at the same time. To go back to your truck, the tires and rims from a few years ago, that worked on that model truck for several model years, now don't roll properly on last year's model, but all of a sudden work fine again on this year's model.
Title: Re: VP2 v3 Firmware updates now posted
Post by: broadstairs on March 21, 2013, 06:23:48 PM
The likelihood of this happening here in the UK or elsewhere in the EU is zilch, zero, nought.
Stuart

I respect your opinion.  However, do you have any evidence (in this particular situation of the Davis logger) that this would not be the case, right now, from Davis?

Has someone tried, recently?  Has someone contacted Davis recently (from UK or EU) and asked? 

It would be helpful if someone reports actual experience, rather than "likelihood".

My understanding is that here in the UK their agent is responsible for all support requests and I really do doubt that the UK agent will replace any non-working loggers just because Davis say so. If Davis say they will provide these replacements at no cost to the agent then it will happen. Right now we dont know but I can expect that unless Davis pay in full for the replacements it is highly unlikely that the UK agent will do anything. I agree it would be good if someone tried this.

None of this discussion gets us anywhere nearing what we NEED to now and that is what combinations actually work and what dont, not from speculation but from actual testing.

Stuart
Title: Re: VP2 v3 Firmware updates now posted
Post by: broadstairs on March 21, 2013, 07:04:52 PM
I have just emailed Davis about this situation and asked several questions about what combination of devices will and will not work, plus what is their policy for datalogger replacement outside of continental USA. If/when I get a reply I will post their answers.

Stuart
Title: Re: VP2 v3 Firmware updates now posted
Post by: dalecoy on March 21, 2013, 08:55:41 PM
I have just emailed Davis about this situation and asked several questions about what combination of devices will and will not work, plus what is their policy for datalogger replacement outside of continental USA. If/when I get a reply I will post their answers.

Stuart

Good work.  And thanks - we needed that.  And it needed to come from someone who has the actual need (not a theoretical need), and is persistent enough to quote Davis' promises back to them.  And a real customer, not a dealer or distributor.

[I was about to reply to your previous posting that you "agree it would be good if someone tried this" when I read your latest posting.]
Title: Re: VP2 v3 Firmware updates now posted
Post by: johnd on March 22, 2013, 08:20:45 AM
Clearly, at least some combinations of green dot console and older loggers are not compatible even with v3.12 firmware. Maybe some other combinations are compatible. This was obviously with a USB logger - that's one possible factor.

Also tried this with a non-green-dot serial logger A11212C60. This also gives the 'Incompatible Logger' error with the same (AA Mfg Code) green-dot VP2 console as above running v3.12 F/W. So, in my hands at least, it's not a simple matter of serial vs USB loggers - neither of them works, certainly with the particular green dot console under test here.

Would be interested to hear specifics from anyone who has got an older WL logger working with a green-dot console. Anyone care to add their details?
Title: Re: VP2 v3 Firmware updates now posted
Post by: mannyq on March 24, 2013, 10:39:25 AM
Hello Group,
First post since joining yesterday.
In January I purchased a Davis Wireless Pro2 Plus with fan aspiration (6163) to replace my older (but still running) LaCrosse WS2310-11. I chose Davis because of the features and reviews along with the ability for me to “play” writing software for it. Once the unit arrived, I placed the IIS in a window until I can get up on the roof and decided to see what the console could do. It wasn’t until several days later of unsuccessful Serial communications attempts (all I get is NO response) that I realized I was running version 3.0 and if I’m reading correctly from this forum and other sources, there’s nothing I can do to communicate unless I am running the latest firmware (3.12) which was released a month after I purchased the device.
Is it correct per the Davis Support page, in order to upgrade my firmware I would need to RENT or BUY the updater? I emailed Tech Support on Thursday with that question and have not heard back yet. Has anyone else had this issue and if so, can you tell me how/if it was resolved?
Thank you for your time.
Manny Q
Title: Re: VP2 v3 Firmware updates now posted
Post by: broadstairs on March 24, 2013, 10:49:08 AM
Hello Group,
First post since joining yesterday.
In January I purchased a Davis Wireless Pro2 Plus with fan aspiration (6163) to replace my older (but still running) LaCrosse WS2310-11. I chose Davis because of the features and reviews along with the ability for me to “play” writing software for it. Once the unit arrived, I placed the IIS in a window until I can get up on the roof and decided to see what the console could do. It wasn’t until several days later of unsuccessful Serial communications attempts (all I get is NO response) that I realized I was running version 3.0 and if I’m reading correctly from this forum and other sources, there’s nothing I can do to communicate unless I am running the latest firmware (3.12) which was released a month after I purchased the device.
Is it correct per the Davis Support page, in order to upgrade my firmware I would need to RENT or BUY the updater? I emailed Tech Support on Thursday with that question and have not heard back yet. Has anyone else had this issue and if so, can you tell me how/if it was resolved?
Thank you for your time.
Manny Q


If you purchased your VP2 along with the WeatherLink Datalogger as brand new devices from a reputable supplier then I would have expected you to get both devices compatible, what is known as 'Green Dot' which refers to the packaging the VP2 and datalogger come in and should both have a green dot on. If this is the case you do not have this issue and 3.12 will not help. I would contact your supplier for help.

Stuart
Title: Re: VP2 v3 Firmware updates now posted
Post by: mannyq on March 24, 2013, 11:30:47 AM
Hello Group,
First post since joining yesterday.
In January I purchased a Davis Wireless Pro2 Plus with fan aspiration (6163) to replace my older (but still running) LaCrosse WS2310-11. I chose Davis because of the features and reviews along with the ability for me to “play” writing software for it. Once the unit arrived, I placed the IIS in a window until I can get up on the roof and decided to see what the console could do. It wasn’t until several days later of unsuccessful Serial communications attempts (all I get is NO response) that I realized I was running version 3.0 and if I’m reading correctly from this forum and other sources, there’s nothing I can do to communicate unless I am running the latest firmware (3.12) which was released a month after I purchased the device.
Is it correct per the Davis Support page, in order to upgrade my firmware I would need to RENT or BUY the updater? I emailed Tech Support on Thursday with that question and have not heard back yet. Has anyone else had this issue and if so, can you tell me how/if it was resolved?
Thank you for your time.
Manny Q


If you purchased your VP2 along with the WeatherLink Datalogger as brand new devices from a reputable supplier then I would have expected you to get both devices compatible, what is known as 'Green Dot' which refers to the packaging the VP2 and datalogger come in and should both have a green dot on. If this is the case you do not have this issue and 3.12 will not help. I would contact your supplier for help.

Stuart

Stuart, my intent is to write an API with the data coming direct from the console expansion interface with a Propeller or Arduino. I did not purchase the data logger w software. Either way, Davis Support page indicates that the data logger must be removed to use the updater.
MQ
Title: Re: VP2 v3 Firmware updates now posted
Post by: 92merc on March 24, 2013, 11:49:02 AM
The updater is only needed if you don't have a datalogger.  On the VP1, you were required to remove the datalogger and install the updater to do firmware.  With the VP2, you can actually use the datalogger to do the update.

But if you have no data logger, then you'll either need to borrow one from Davis, or the updater.  If you call them and complain about the firmware, I wouldn't be surprised if they lend you one no charge.  In the past, I can recall instances where they charge your credit card a fee.  If you return the unit within a couple of weeks, they credit you back.  But you have to pay return shipping.   So that would be all you're out.
Title: Re: VP2 v3 Firmware updates now posted
Post by: johnd on March 24, 2013, 12:34:10 PM
Davis have not released any version of v3.x firmware suitable for installation with the updater. All that's available are the 'Direct from PC' versions, which are not the type you would use with an updater.

(This is a little surprising and does slightly make me wonder whether something has changed in the way that the firmware installs, such that the existing updater cannot be used. The Bootloader on the ''Direct from PC' now reports as v1.2 whereas previously I thought it was just v1.1. But this is totally speculation on my part and very possibly quite wrong. Very probably Davis just haven't got around to posting the Updater-compatible versions of 3.12 yet.)
Title: Re: VP2 v3 Firmware updates now posted
Post by: dalecoy on March 24, 2013, 01:20:33 PM
.. It wasn’t until several days later of unsuccessful Serial communications attempts (all I get is NO response) ...

Out of curiosity, how are you connecting physically to the console? 

And would it be correct to assume that you have worked your way through (and understand) various related threads in the forum such as http://www.wxforum.net/index.php?topic=14063.0

....and others describing initial communication between new consoles with 3.00 firmware and the logger?
Title: Re: VP2 v3 Firmware updates now posted
Post by: mannyq on March 24, 2013, 02:00:13 PM
.. It wasn’t until several days later of unsuccessful Serial communications attempts (all I get is NO response) ...

Out of curiosity, how are you connecting physically to the console? 

And would it be correct to assume that you have worked your way through (and understand) various related threads in the forum such as http://www.wxforum.net/index.php?topic=14063.0

....and others describing initial communication between new consoles with 3.00 firmware and the logger?

Connecting to Serial 0 with FTDI UART for commands. Have Silicone Labs UART but haven't tried yet. All other pins on interface via propeller to monitor/manipulate. Not logging anything, just watching reaction to lines HI/LOW/Reset, data. Still annoyed there are issues with 3.0. Firmware download page also indicates Uploader required but didn't see Weatherlink can be used too. Will try emulating logging. If someone has successfully connected/interacted to 3.0, I have not found that info.
Thanks.
Title: Re: VP2 v3 Firmware updates now posted
Post by: dalecoy on March 24, 2013, 04:37:31 PM
Have you tried the direct-from-PC updater for 3.12?

http://www.davisnet.com/support/weather/download/DirectFromPC_vp2_cabled_3_12.exe

(That's the .exe - you're probably cautious to go to the Davisnet web site and http://www.davisnet.com/support/weather/downloads/index.asp and go from there).

That may not work at all (and perhaps you have already tried it).  But it doesn't require an "updater" - just a PC, as it says.
Title: Re: VP2 v3 Firmware updates now posted
Post by: mannyq on March 24, 2013, 05:13:46 PM
Have you tried the direct-from-PC updater for 3.12?

http://www.davisnet.com/support/weather/download/DirectFromPC_vp2_cabled_3_12.exe

(That's the .exe - you're probably cautious to go to the Davisnet web site and http://www.davisnet.com/support/weather/downloads/index.asp and go from there).

That may not work at all (and perhaps you have already tried it).  But it doesn't require an "updater" - just a PC, as it says.

Tried that when I saw that firmware upgrade had been posted. Currently, any command sent to the Serial 0 returns a “NO” response from the console. The data being returned to the UART is straight forward. A reboot/reset will respond with “LCD ok” and holding MIS0 low during reset sends a “PLL Not Locked Please Reboot” message along with the lcd ok message.  When you attempt to use the Direct from PC upgrade, the software will send an “ID” command twice to the console (probably to verify version or model) but with the console returning a “NO” both times, the Direct PC update give message “Model number does not match" error message.
Title: Re: VP2 v3 Firmware updates now posted
Post by: dalecoy on March 24, 2013, 05:46:03 PM
OK.  Just thought it was worth making sure you had tried that. 

Any chance you can get your dealer to update the firmware for you?

Any chance you could borrow a green-dot logger for a few minutes?  [grasping at straws]. 
Title: Re: VP2 v3 Firmware updates now posted
Post by: mannyq on March 24, 2013, 06:02:49 PM
Any chance you can get your dealer to update the firmware for you?


Have email out to both Davis and Weathershack.com to see what they say.
Title: Re: VP2 v3 Firmware updates now posted
Post by: broadstairs on March 27, 2013, 09:48:51 AM
I have just emailed Davis about this situation and asked several questions about what combination of devices will and will not work, plus what is their policy for datalogger replacement outside of continental USA. If/when I get a reply I will post their answers.

Stuart

Just to say that I am still waiting on Davis customer services to answer my email. Dont know how long they normally take but I would have hoped to hear by now, they've had best part of 4 working days now.

Stuart
Title: Re: VP2 v3 Firmware updates now posted
Post by: dalecoy on March 27, 2013, 10:06:38 AM
Thanks for trying, and continuing to report.  I understand it's frustrating.
Title: Re: VP2 v3 Firmware updates now posted
Post by: IHateHail on March 28, 2013, 01:33:11 PM
I just purchased a used Pro2 console and data logger. Model #6312.  Even with the old 1.90 firmware I was able to receive readings from my "green dot" Vantage Vue.  I then proceeded to update the firmware to 3.12.  Everything is fine. No glitches.  All in all a smooth upgrade.
Just make sure your console is listed in the safe to upgrade list. 8-)
Title: Re: VP2 v3 Firmware updates now posted
Post by: johnd on March 28, 2013, 02:17:59 PM
I just purchased a used Pro2 console and data logger. Model #6312.  Even with the old 1.90 firmware I was able to receive readings from my "green dot" Vantage Vue.  I then proceeded to update the firmware to 3.12.  Everything is fine. No glitches.  All in all a smooth upgrade.

Is there more confusion creeping in here? I've understood you to mean that you've purchased an older VP2 console (but post 2006 presumably) with a data logger probably of a similar age? And you've been able to receive data from a Vue ISS and able to update the console to v3.12 firmware. That's good, but there never was any doubt that this combination ought to work OK.

Where there does seem to be conflicting information is in matching a green-dot console to a non-green-dot logger even after updating to v3.12. It doesn't work for me with two separate loggers, one serial and one USB, and I've given chapter and verse. There are at least one or two other reports that suggest it might work but without any detail. It would be hugely helpful to see specifics from someone who can get this combination to work.
Title: Re: VP2 v3 Firmware updates now posted
Post by: broadstairs on March 30, 2013, 04:58:58 AM
Still having had no reply from Davis I was wondering if anyone here has an email addrress for any of the senior board members like CEO or MD that I could escalate to? Being a US company I have not been able to find any (free) information on the board members.

Stuart
Title: Re: VP2 v3 Firmware updates now posted
Post by: dalecoy on March 30, 2013, 09:58:21 AM
Still having had no reply from Davis I was wondering if anyone here has an email addrress for any of the senior board members like CEO or MD that I could escalate to? Being a US company I have not been able to find any (free) information on the board members.

Stuart

Did you consider what I mentioned in Reply #132 above?
Title: Re: VP2 v3 Firmware updates now posted
Post by: Astronomer on April 03, 2013, 10:18:02 PM
[You will find reports that newer consoles with Firmware version 3.12 currently work with any available logger]

Not for me it doesn't. 'Incompatible logger' with an older logger in a green dot (wireless) console with v3.12 loaded.

Oh.  Well, there we have it.  Sorry I missed that report.  Apparently I wasn't paying sufficient attention.

Is there a simple rule (like "v3.12 doesn't work with old or 3rd party loggers")?  Or a compatibility matrix?



Johnd I wonder what version is giving incompatible logger? I just verified an old 6540 (Serial, APRS streaming) that I had laying around worked just fine with VP2 Wireless FW 3.12 - 6540 mfg code A60315A44

I have also verified that the SLOWeather DSI-01 Serial cable works with FW 3.12.. I even have an old DB9 adapter for that one that was before he put in the jumpers.

seems mixed results still at this point


Hi Rainmanweather, I just received my formerly-bricked console back from Davis and they upped my firmware to 3.12. I'm running a DSI-01 and I'm not able to get the console to communicate with my server running Cumulus. I haven't changed any configurations since I sent the console back, and I checked all connections, firewall settings, etc. Any thoughts? Is there something on the console that I need to set up? I appreciate any thoughts from you or any of the other folks here.

Cheers,

 - Astronomer
Title: Re: VP2 v3 Firmware updates now posted
Post by: Bushman on April 03, 2013, 10:38:04 PM
Still having had no reply from Davis I was wondering if anyone here has an email addrress for any of the senior board members like CEO or MD that I could escalate to? Being a US company I have not been able to find any (free) information on the board members.

Stuart

It is a private company.  But all their ownership data is listed on the California businesses web site
Title: Re: VP2 v3 Firmware updates now posted
Post by: RainmanWeather on April 03, 2013, 10:50:27 PM

Hi Rainmanweather, I just received my formerly-bricked console back from Davis and they upped my firmware to 3.12. I'm running a DSI-01 and I'm not able to get the console to communicate with my server running Cumulus. I haven't changed any configurations since I sent the console back, and I checked all connections, firewall settings, etc. Any thoughts? Is there something on the console that I need to set up? I appreciate any thoughts from you or any of the other folks here.

Cheers,

 - Astronomer

Hi Astronomer,

Here is the rub, the firmware by itself will not prevent 3rd party consoles from running, rather the hardware will. That is, when I first tested DSI-01 with FW ver 3.12 it was with an older, "pre green dot" console that had been upgraded from FW ver 1.90 and that works wonderfully. However, it appears that the newer hardware, "Green Dot" which first came out with FW ver 3.0 will not allow 3rd party or older loggers to function with either the 3.00 nor the 3.12 firmware. So that is where a lot of confusion comes in, it is actually a hardware/software combination and not necessarily just one or the other. Unfortunately due to this circumstance it is difficult to come up with any hard rules for exactly what will determine whether your combination will work or not. One rule that seems to be valid is that if the console started out at FW 1.90 it will continue to work with third party and older loggers with the latest FW updates. It gets even a bit more confusing with the Vue consoles, but again the rule is if the console starts with FW 2.14 or before it will continue to work. I hope that helps clear some of the confusion anyhow.

Btw, how did the console get bricked? was it a result of trying to run FW update with the DSI-01?

Title: Re: VP2 v3 Firmware updates now posted
Post by: Astronomer on April 03, 2013, 11:29:31 PM

Hi Rainmanweather, I just received my formerly-bricked console back from Davis and they upped my firmware to 3.12. I'm running a DSI-01 and I'm not able to get the console to communicate with my server running Cumulus. I haven't changed any configurations since I sent the console back, and I checked all connections, firewall settings, etc. Any thoughts? Is there something on the console that I need to set up? I appreciate any thoughts from you or any of the other folks here.

Cheers,

 - Astronomer

Hi Astronomer,

Here is the rub, the firmware by itself will not prevent 3rd party consoles from running, rather the hardware will. That is, when I first tested DSI-01 with FW ver 3.12 it was with an older, "pre green dot" console that had been upgraded from FW ver 1.90 and that works wonderfully. However, it appears that the newer hardware, "Green Dot" which first came out with FW ver 3.0 will not allow 3rd party or older loggers to function with either the 3.00 nor the 3.12 firmware. So that is where a lot of confusion comes in, it is actually a hardware/software combination and not necessarily just one or the other. Unfortunately due to this circumstance it is difficult to come up with any hard rules for exactly what will determine whether your combination will work or not. One rule that seems to be valid is that if the console started out at FW 1.90 it will continue to work with third party and older loggers with the latest FW updates. It gets even a bit more confusing with the Vue consoles, but again the rule is if the console starts with FW 2.14 or before it will continue to work. I hope that helps clear some of the confusion anyhow.

Btw, how did the console get bricked? was it a result of trying to run FW update with the DSI-01?



Hi RainManWeather,

Thanks for the reply. I'll have to read through it carefully in the morning when I'm fully awake! Yes, it got bricked when updating with the DSI-01. My version is a custom 50' that lets me run the cable from my office down to my basement server room to my main virtualized server running an instance of Microsoft Server 2008 that hosts Cumulus, which sends data to the Weather Underground, and also to Twitter which also updates a Facebook weather page as well as my own weather web site. If I can't get the DSI-01 to work, I'll have to pick up a data logger and move the console to the basement, which is the last thing that I want to do. This is a very frustrating situation, but it's a puzzle that I hope that I can unravel.  My console did have v. 1.90 on it, but it was purchased 11 months ago, so it may be a post-green-dot model.
Title: Re: VP2 v3 Firmware updates now posted
Post by: belfryboy on April 04, 2013, 02:12:46 AM
Astronomer, I suspect that it is more likely that Davis replaced the PCB inside your console. I doubt they would spend time trying to work out what was wrong with the console, it simply takes too long to be cost effective.
Title: Re: VP2 v3 Firmware updates now posted
Post by: RainmanWeather on April 04, 2013, 11:09:36 AM
Astronomer, I suspect that it is more likely that Davis replaced the PCB inside your console. I doubt they would spend time trying to work out what was wrong with the console, it simply takes too long to be cost effective.

I agree. Unfortunately Astronomer, it looks like they sent you a "Green Dot" replacement.

Although I see no reason why you won't be able to continue using your extended serial, just have to get a new version of the 6510SER Serial WeatherLink.
Title: Re: VP2 v3 Firmware updates now posted
Post by: user3162 on April 04, 2013, 06:34:36 PM
I got my station back today from the refurb. The statement says, they updated the firmware, but the console still reports ver 1.9, so I don't know what they are talking about. Tomorrow would be four weeks. All in all, had I to do over again, I would have just sent the two sensors that I wanted calibrated / repaired.
Title: Re: VP2 v3 Firmware updates now posted
Post by: Astronomer on April 04, 2013, 07:49:50 PM
Astronomer, I suspect that it is more likely that Davis replaced the PCB inside your console. I doubt they would spend time trying to work out what was wrong with the console, it simply takes too long to be cost effective.

I agree. Unfortunately Astronomer, it looks like they sent you a "Green Dot" replacement.

Although I see no reason why you won't be able to continue using your extended serial, just have to get a new version of the 6510SER Serial WeatherLink.


Hi RainmanWeather,  I'll have to pick up the 6510SER Serial WeatherLink as the cable I have has the custom connector at one end to fit inside the VP2 console's data logger port. I can get an extension cable and coupler for the 6510SER, so the only nuisance, other than the cost, will be running the cable down to the server room.
Title: Re: VP2 v3 Firmware updates now posted
Post by: RainmanWeather on April 04, 2013, 08:25:37 PM

Hi RainmanWeather,  I'll have to pick up the 6510SER Serial WeatherLink as the cable I have has the custom connector at one end to fit inside the VP2 console's data logger port. I can get an extension cable and coupler for the 6510SER, so the only nuisance, other than the cost, will be running the cable down to the server room.

The davis logger uses an RJ12 cable and DB9 adapter also just like the DSI-01 so you should be able to continue to use the same cabling you have in place now. Just swap out the logger on the console,  DB9 adapter on the computer end and everything should work as before.
Title: Re: VP2 v3 Firmware updates now posted
Post by: Astronomer on April 04, 2013, 09:08:46 PM
Perfect! Thanks for the info.If I can do that, it'll save me a ton of hassle. I ordered my Davis serial logger this evening. I'll follow up here once I receive it.
Title: Re: VP2 v3 Firmware updates now posted
Post by: K3JAE on April 09, 2013, 06:46:09 AM
A little further clarification for me please...

Exactly what is a GREEN DOT console? Purchased my station in September 2011. Since then updated to add the Solar and UV sensors.

I do not have a datalogger but the 3rd party serial interface from SloWeather back when he first made them.
(See: http://www.wxforum.net/index.php?topic=13299).

Will this combination work with the new 3.12 upgrade? Not sure of the current version I have on my console.
Title: Re: VP2 v3 Firmware updates now posted
Post by: jgillett on April 09, 2013, 11:08:30 AM
Will this combination work with the new 3.12 upgrade? Not sure of the current version I have on my console.
To see your current firmware version, hold the 'DONE' button and then press the up arrow. Then watch the ticker at the bottom.
Title: Re: VP2 v3 Firmware updates now posted
Post by: broadstairs on April 13, 2013, 04:31:47 AM
Well after emailing Davis again to ask why they had not replied I did get a reply. Sadly it does not clarify the issue of logger replacement but says that outside of the USA you will need to contact your local dealer. Although I have not tried and am not in a position to try at the moment I suspect that at least here in the UK the answer will be tough buy a new one as I cannot see the local dealer footing the bill, if Davis were footing the bill I think they would have said something different.

The actual answers are:-
Quote
1. Can you explain why this has been done this way rather than announcing a new VP2 and clearly detailing the restrictions and limitations for everyone to see?
This information has always been available.

2. Will any pre green dot datalogger work with a green dot console once the console has been updated to firmware V3.12?
A non-green dot logger will not work with a green dot console. All green dot consoles will be at firmware version 3.X.

3. Will any green dot datalogger work with a pre green dot console and if so what firmware level is required?
Pre-green dot consoles can use any logger, green dot or non-green dot. Firmware does not matter.

4. Will any clone datalogger work with a green dot console at any firmware level?
I’m not sure what you mean by a clone logger. If it is not a Davis logger you would need to check with the manufacturer of the logger.

5. In the case of wireless VP2s will any ISS (or other transmitter) pre green dot work with a green dot console?
Any VP2 or Vue ISS with work with any VP2 or Vue console. (must be a cabled or wireless ISS/console)

6. In the case of cabled VP2 will any pre green dot ISS work with a green dot console?
Same rules apply to cabled stations.

7. Will any pre green dot console work with any green dot ISS of appropriate type (ie cabled or wireless)?
Any VP2 or Vue ISS with work with any VP2 or Vue console.

8. Can you clarify what the policy is (if there is one) for replacing dataloggers and at what cost for users outside of continental USA?
Outside the US you will need to contact your local distributor. Here is the contact information for your distributor in the UK.

Stuart
Title: Re: VP2 v3 Firmware updates now posted
Post by: jgillett on April 13, 2013, 04:41:14 AM
Got my VP2+ back Friday afternoon and put it back on the roof. Seems to be working OK, but I'm not at all pleased. There were some items that I thought needed addressing which Davis did nothing about. Main one is they did not replace my old console (which apparently has been done for some folks), so I am unable to update the firmware. Don't feel it was worth the effort.
Title: Re: VP2 v3 Firmware updates now posted
Post by: torkelmj on April 13, 2013, 09:46:50 AM
Funny enough, one of my VP2 consoles died the other day, for no apparent reason. Contacting the local dealer, they arranged for a replacement right away. I specifically asked them to ship me an "old" VP2 model (FW 1.90), but apparently they had none in stock so I received one with FW v. 3.00. BUT - interestingly - the distributor didn't even know of FW v. 3.00 and the associated limitations. Even the main agent here wasn't aware there has been a FW update. So now I'm left with a useless, original Davis Instruments non-green-dot logger and a brand new console. Add a distributor who hasn't been informed by Davis of any changes, and my changes of getting a free replacement logger are NIL.

Thank you, Davis, for complicating things, and for blaming the FW update on "a necessary hardware update". After having had a thorough look inside a FW 1.90 console and a FW 3.00 console, along with a bit of digging into your pretty standard ATMEL stuff, that statement now translates to "greed and need to sell original Davis loggers".  ](*,) Now, we'll see about that.
Title: Re: VP2 v3 Firmware updates now posted
Post by: johnd on April 13, 2013, 11:46:20 AM
BUT - interestingly - the distributor didn't even know of FW v. 3.00 and the associated limitations. Even the main agent here wasn't aware there has been a FW update.

Was this a dealer or a distributor? All the national Davis distributors will received comprehensive information from Davis re green-dot loggers, dating back around a year now (assuming that they bother to read their email that is). But if they use a distribution model where they also have local dealers then the distributor would need to have passed on the information to the dealer. Even then, not much excuse - I would really expect any self-respecting Davis dealer to be look in at least occasionally to the various Internet forums and so be up to speed anyway on the green-dot issue.

For the record, we still have a couple of brand new but non-green-dot OV consoles available here in the UK.
Title: Re: VP2 v3 Firmware updates now posted
Post by: torkelmj on April 13, 2013, 01:59:07 PM
I share your views on this one. Just to fill in the gaps:

1) the dealer was not aware of any changes and forwarded my questions to the national distributor (there's only one here, and they don't sell to end-users...)
2) the distributor stated that they were not aware up any FW v. 3/logger compatibility issues at all
3) upon pointing out this support issue/lack of information directly to Davis support, they promised to inform the distributor over here (that's 3-4 months ago)
4) ...and here we go again, as (1) and (2) remain status quo as of last week

Title: Re: VP2 v3 Firmware updates now posted
Post by: K3JAE on April 14, 2013, 06:30:57 PM
Will this combination work with the new 3.12 upgrade? Not sure of the current version I have on my console.
To see your current firmware version, hold the 'DONE' button and then press the up arrow. Then watch the ticker at the bottom.

I am at v1.90. Referring back to my original question: Will my setup work as I have listed and upgrade properly to the v3.12 FW upgrade? I would hate to upgrade to v3.12 then find out my interface will not work now. It is NOT a logger but simply a console to computer link cable.
Title: Re: VP2 v3 Firmware updates now posted
Post by: torkelmj on April 14, 2013, 06:49:28 PM
Verified OK on a 6312 model. 1.90 --> 3.12 without the original logger upgrades OK, serial line still working afterwards.

73 es GL
Title: Re: VP2 v3 Firmware updates now posted
Post by: K3JAE on April 15, 2013, 03:10:05 AM
Thank you.

I attempted to upgrade to v3.12 but receiving no serial or USB device is found message.

I am using a Prolific Serial to USB converter with SloWeather's original DataLogger.

Am I unable to update due to this reason?

Or am I doing something incorrect?
Title: Re: VP2 v3 Firmware updates now posted
Post by: torkelmj on April 15, 2013, 04:17:41 AM
Not sure. Obviously, the updater is looking for something which it doesn't find...

(I used https://www.sparkfun.com/products/9873 (https://www.sparkfun.com/products/9873) - and simply wired GND, TX and RX to the proper console connectors). Worked like a charm with the "Direct from PC" updater.
Title: Re: VP2 v3 Firmware updates now posted
Post by: Astronomer on April 15, 2013, 09:41:25 PM
Thank you.

I attempted to upgrade to v3.12 but receiving no serial or USB device is found message.

I am using a Prolific Serial to USB converter with SloWeather's original DataLogger.

Am I unable to update due to this reason?

Or am I doing something incorrect?

Don't update. As I understand it, Davis changed the firmware to render 3rd party loggers/cables incompatible. I bricked my VP2 console while attempting to update with SloWeather's logger and had to ship it back to Davis, and it came back with 3.12. I had to buy a Davis datalogger so I can continue to keep records and share my data to various sources. My repaired console arrived last week, and the logger arrived today. All is connected, though the console is now down in my server room. I have a 50' connection down to the server room from the home office. I'll have to get a cable crimper to attach an RJ-11 connector to Sloweather's cable. I really hate to cut his connection off that cable, but if I want the console up in my office...

Davis really pulled a nasty one with this "update".
Title: Re: VP2 v3 Firmware updates now posted
Post by: K3JAE on April 18, 2013, 07:29:01 PM
Don't update. As I understand it, Davis changed the firmware to render 3rd party loggers/cables incompatible. I bricked my VP2 console while attempting to update with SloWeather's logger and had to ship it back to Davis, and it came back with 3.12. I had to buy a Davis datalogger so I can continue to keep records and share my data to various sources. My repaired console arrived last week, and the logger arrived today. All is connected, though the console is now down in my server room. I have a 50' connection down to the server room from the home office. I'll have to get a cable crimper to attach an RJ-11 connector to Sloweather's cable. I really hate to cut his connection off that cable, but if I want the console up in my office...

Davis really pulled a nasty one with this "update".

I think I will stand with your advice. It currently works fine as is, and I refuse to pay the outrageous cost Davis wants for their datalogger and the "free" software, which I will not use anyways (the software that is). I'll remain at v1.90 until a better solution is available.

Any known 3rd party loggers working that allows updates?
Title: Re: VP2 v3 Firmware updates now posted
Post by: Weather Display on April 19, 2013, 04:46:24 AM
I cant see any problems sticking with the current firmware you have
do you really need the new firmware?
Title: Re: VP2 v3 Firmware updates now posted
Post by: moehoward4 on April 19, 2013, 04:57:33 AM
W-D    for the same reason that you insist on people to upgrade to YOUR latest version
Title: Re: VP2 v3 Firmware updates now posted
Post by: DanITman on April 26, 2013, 09:30:44 PM
Thank you.

I attempted to upgrade to v3.12 but receiving no serial or USB device is found message.

I am using a Prolific Serial to USB converter with SloWeather's original DataLogger.

Am I unable to update due to this reason?

Or am I doing something incorrect?

Don't update. As I understand it, Davis changed the firmware to render 3rd party loggers/cables incompatible. I bricked my VP2 console while attempting to update with SloWeather's logger and had to ship it back to Davis, and it came back with 3.12. I had to buy a Davis datalogger so I can continue to keep records and share my data to various sources. My repaired console arrived last week, and the logger arrived today. All is connected, though the console is now down in my server room. I have a 50' connection down to the server room from the home office. I'll have to get a cable crimper to attach an RJ-11 connector to Sloweather's cable. I really hate to cut his connection off that cable, but if I want the console up in my office...

Davis really pulled a nasty one with this "update".

I'm working fine with SloWeather logger.  Upgraded to 3.12 and haven't had any problems.  I did modify my cable to work with Weatherlink so I'm not sure if that is what made it work. 
Title: Re: VP2 v3 Firmware updates now posted
Post by: Weather Display on April 27, 2013, 01:49:00 AM
Quote
W-D    for the same reason that you insist on people to upgrade to YOUR latest version
but the improvments/fixes with the Davis firmware update I would think are not needed if you are going to run into problems with the data logger/console version etc
Title: Re: VP2 v3 Firmware updates now posted
Post by: Astronomer on April 27, 2013, 10:55:37 PM
Thank you.

I attempted to upgrade to v3.12 but receiving no serial or USB device is found message.

I am using a Prolific Serial to USB converter with SloWeather's original DataLogger.

Am I unable to update due to this reason?

Or am I doing something incorrect?

Don't update. As I understand it, Davis changed the firmware to render 3rd party loggers/cables incompatible. I bricked my VP2 console while attempting to update with SloWeather's logger and had to ship it back to Davis, and it came back with 3.12. I had to buy a Davis datalogger so I can continue to keep records and share my data to various sources. My repaired console arrived last week, and the logger arrived today. All is connected, though the console is now down in my server room. I have a 50' connection down to the server room from the home office. I'll have to get a cable crimper to attach an RJ-11 connector to Sloweather's cable. I really hate to cut his connection off that cable, but if I want the console up in my office...

Davis really pulled a nasty one with this "update".

I'm working fine with SloWeather logger.  Upgraded to 3.12 and haven't had any problems.  I did modify my cable to work with Weatherlink so I'm not sure if that is what made it work. 

What modifications did you make? Please let us know as I'd like to move my console back up into my office and use the 50-foot cable attached toSloWeather's logger.
Title: Re: VP2 v3 Firmware updates now posted
Post by: DanITman on April 29, 2013, 08:29:25 AM
Thank you.

I attempted to upgrade to v3.12 but receiving no serial or USB device is found message.

I am using a Prolific Serial to USB converter with SloWeather's original DataLogger.

Am I unable to update due to this reason?

Or am I doing something incorrect?

Don't update. As I understand it, Davis changed the firmware to render 3rd party loggers/cables incompatible. I bricked my VP2 console while attempting to update with SloWeather's logger and had to ship it back to Davis, and it came back with 3.12. I had to buy a Davis datalogger so I can continue to keep records and share my data to various sources. My repaired console arrived last week, and the logger arrived today. All is connected, though the console is now down in my server room. I have a 50' connection down to the server room from the home office. I'll have to get a cable crimper to attach an RJ-11 connector to Sloweather's cable. I really hate to cut his connection off that cable, but if I want the console up in my office...

Davis really pulled a nasty one with this "update".

I'm working fine with SloWeather logger.  Upgraded to 3.12 and haven't had any problems.  I did modify my cable to work with Weatherlink so I'm not sure if that is what made it work. 

What modifications did you make? Please let us know as I'd like to move my console back up into my office and use the 50-foot cable attached toSloWeather's logger.

I took a standard DB9 cable and cut one end off.  If you collect computer parts and cables I'm sure you have one of these laying around.  Cut one of the ends off to expose the wires.  Depending on the quality of the cable it may be color coded.  If it is color coded here is a guide that tells you which pin goes to which wire.  You might want to strip back one of these and use a meter to make sure this guide matches your cable.   

(http://www.cablesondemand.com/images/products/db9colords.jpg)

If the cable isn't color coded you are going to have to use a meter to figure out which wire goes to which pin. These cables are super cheap and if you find yours doesn't have the color wires and you don't want to mess around then go to goodwill or salvation army and they usually have a bunch of these cables laying around.  You should only pay around a $1 for a new cable.

Now that you know which one goes to which pin we can use the pinout of a db9 to figure out what cables we have to connect. 

(http://www.db9-pinout.com/db9-pinout/db9-pinout.gif)

If you look at your data logger from Sloweather you can scrape a little of the black off just beneath the three pin connector and you will see that he has labeled them.  Use the two guides above to connect the TX, RX, and ground.  The pinout guide above calls TX ->TD and RX -> RD.  To get these to connect you have a couple options. You can solder them or you can find an old computer fan connector.  If you locate an old computer fan you will notice a 3 pin female connector on one end.  If you cut it off and strip the wires you can use this as a connector.  Now just connect the stripped wires from the db9 cable to the stripped wires on the 3 pin connector.  Use some electrical tape to hold them together.  This doesn't look very good so you may want to eventually solder them together.

Basically, you have just built the same cable that came with your data logger. The cable should work and I recommend testing it before going forward. If it doesn't work, try flipping the TX & RX connections and see if that makes a difference.  Now we need to make this work with Weatherlink and Firmware updates.  A big thanks to DeKay's blog post that explains what we have to do.

http://madscientistlabs.blogspot.ca/2012/02/make-your-diy-davis-datalogger-work.html (http://madscientistlabs.blogspot.ca/2012/02/make-your-diy-davis-datalogger-work.html)

First you need to strip back wires CTS(7) & RTS 8. Once you have them stripped you can just connect them together.  Solder or put tape on them.

Next, strip back DTR(4), DSR(6), and DCD(1).  Just like above, connect them all together and solder them or put tape on them.

That's it, your cable should work with weatherlink and firmware updates.





Title: Re: VP2 v3 Firmware updates now posted
Post by: Astronomer on April 30, 2013, 11:05:13 PM
Thank you.

I attempted to upgrade to v3.12 but receiving no serial or USB device is found message.

I am using a Prolific Serial to USB converter with SloWeather's original DataLogger.

Am I unable to update due to this reason?

Or am I doing something incorrect?

Don't update. As I understand it, Davis changed the firmware to render 3rd party loggers/cables incompatible. I bricked my VP2 console while attempting to update with SloWeather's logger and had to ship it back to Davis, and it came back with 3.12. I had to buy a Davis datalogger so I can continue to keep records and share my data to various sources. My repaired console arrived last week, and the logger arrived today. All is connected, though the console is now down in my server room. I have a 50' connection down to the server room from the home office. I'll have to get a cable crimper to attach an RJ-11 connector to Sloweather's cable. I really hate to cut his connection off that cable, but if I want the console up in my office...

Davis really pulled a nasty one with this "update".

I'm working fine with SloWeather logger.  Upgraded to 3.12 and haven't had any problems.  I did modify my cable to work with Weatherlink so I'm not sure if that is what made it work. 

What modifications did you make? Please let us know as I'd like to move my console back up into my office and use the 50-foot cable attached toSloWeather's logger.

I took a standard DB9 cable and cut one end off.  If you collect computer parts and cables I'm sure you have one of these laying around.  Cut one of the ends off to expose the wires.  Depending on the quality of the cable it may be color coded.  If it is color coded here is a guide that tells you which pin goes to which wire.  You might want to strip back one of these and use a meter to make sure this guide matches your cable.   

(http://www.cablesondemand.com/images/products/db9colords.jpg)

If the cable isn't color coded you are going to have to use a meter to figure out which wire goes to which pin. These cables are super cheap and if you find yours doesn't have the color wires and you don't want to mess around then go to goodwill or salvation army and they usually have a bunch of these cables laying around.  You should only pay around a $1 for a new cable.

Now that you know which one goes to which pin we can use the pinout of a db9 to figure out what cables we have to connect. 

(http://www.db9-pinout.com/db9-pinout/db9-pinout.gif)

If you look at your data logger from Sloweather you can scrape a little of the black off just beneath the three pin connector and you will see that he has labeled them.  Use the two guides above to connect the TX, RX, and ground.  The pinout guide above calls TX ->TD and RX -> RD.  To get these to connect you have a couple options. You can solder them or you can find an old computer fan connector.  If you locate an old computer fan you will notice a 3 pin female connector on one end.  If you cut it off and strip the wires you can use this as a connector.  Now just connect the stripped wires from the db9 cable to the stripped wires on the 3 pin connector.  Use some electrical tape to hold them together.  This doesn't look very good so you may want to eventually solder them together.

Basically, you have just built the same cable that came with your data logger. The cable should work and I recommend testing it before going forward. If it doesn't work, try flipping the TX & RX connections and see if that makes a difference.  Now we need to make this work with Weatherlink and Firmware updates.  A big thanks to DeKay's blog post that explains what we have to do.

http://madscientistlabs.blogspot.ca/2012/02/make-your-diy-davis-datalogger-work.html (http://madscientistlabs.blogspot.ca/2012/02/make-your-diy-davis-datalogger-work.html)

First you need to strip back wires CTS(7) & RTS 8. Once you have them stripped you can just connect them together.  Solder or put tape on them.

Next, strip back DTR(4), DSR(6), and DCD(1).  Just like above, connect them all together and solder them or put tape on them.

That's it, your cable should work with weatherlink and firmware updates.


Thanks very much for posting this! I appreciate the time put into it. I'll tackle it in a weekend or two and post the results. I'm in a busy period right now, but this one tops my hobby list of "to-do's".
Title: Re: VP2 v3 Firmware updates now posted
Post by: K3JAE on May 05, 2013, 12:28:33 PM
I look forward to hearing from you after the modification. If you are successful then I may tackle it. However I notice you reference WeatherLink, which I do not use. Is it necessary to update firmware? If so then I'll be forced to download and install it for a brief period of time until the update happens then uninstall it again. I see no beneficial reason to run both WeatherLink and WD.
Title: Re: VP2 v3 Firmware updates now posted
Post by: DanITman on May 06, 2013, 09:39:23 PM
I look forward to hearing from you after the modification. If you are successful then I may tackle it. However I notice you reference WeatherLink, which I do not use. Is it necessary to update firmware? If so then I'll be forced to download and install it for a brief period of time until the update happens then uninstall it again. I see no beneficial reason to run both WeatherLink and WD.

Weatherlink is not necessary to update the FW.  The firmware update tool is a separate tool that you can download from the Davis website.