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Weather Software => Cumulus => Topic started by: WA4TM on December 27, 2014, 02:14:24 AM
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Steve is working on a new version of Cumulus at the present time, it should be ready for beta testing soon..
More info here: http://sandaysoft.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=12860&sid=ca1c455197af979500354575e698f074 (http://sandaysoft.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=12860&sid=ca1c455197af979500354575e698f074)
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Interesting so do you know what the difference or should I say advantage. Does it offer new features? How would it interact with those that run Saratoga scripts?
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All I know about the project is covered in the link in the first post..
http://sandaysoft.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=12860&sid=ca1c455197af979500354575e698f074 (http://sandaysoft.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=12860&sid=ca1c455197af979500354575e698f074)
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I've not seen a beta yet but AIUI:
CuMX is not simply an evolution of the current Cumulus version, but a major rewrite and reinterpretation. Perhaps the most important change is that it's intended as a multi-platform version (being written in a .Net language (not sure which one, possibly C#, not that it matters much) and so, in conjunction with Mono should run seamlessly - at least once any beta wrinkles are ironed out - on eg Linux and OSX platforms as well as Windows. So it will run on a Raspberry Pi for instance.
There's also a major change of architecture with the CuMX engine being distinct from the controlling browser-hosted GUI and various other consequential changes to the data presentations.
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Having a bit of fun today trying out CumulusMX (v.3.0.0.1) in Windows 8. Different, but very nice. I am sure there are still some things to work out, especially for non-Windows applications, before Steve releases a beta.
Paul
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Wow, that is different.
How do the graphs look? That was my biggest beef about Cumulus.
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This is a screen shot of the Charts and haven't figured out yet what and where settings can be changed - i.e. time period
Paul
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Thanks Paul.
That's definitely an improvement.
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Please keep us/me up to date on how the beta is working. I would sign up but just too busy working at the moment.
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I have had it running and updating my websites a few times but not yet full time as a few things still to add to the alpha release. Some things still to be overcome and other things to add, like the Weather log that I use for the Snow Index. Quite different with it running in a DOS window with no user interface, and typing in the URL into your browser for the user interface. Sounds complicated to me but actually easy to install and use. This way it is usable/accessible from another computer/device connected to the local network. I gather this is particularly interesting for those on other than Windows like Linux and Mac OS X and those wanting to run on Raspberry Pi (all Greek to me).
I have found it is less forgiving if somehow have an invalid parameter in a page with <#webtag> processing #-o
Paul
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Not trying to be negative here but unless I hear of some miraculous new function this version does, I would be hard pressed to change over unless it was a seamless integration with the saratoga scripts. Ability to run with different operating systems has no upside for me.
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If you like the current version of Cumulus that we are using now... I suggest that you download a copy to save.
Like XP... nothing lasts forever.
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Steve posted an update on CumulusMX access
http://sandaysoft.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=12860 (http://sandaysoft.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=12860)
Enjoy,
Paul
Edit:
Remember this is still a beta and not all features included yet!
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Paul, just curious how the beta test is going.
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Very cool! Looking forward to hearing more about it! 8-)
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I'm running it exclusively now; I love the simplicity. It has confused a few testers who probably failed to read the FAQ initially and wondered why it doesn't give a gui interface and only opens a command line window. Steve didn't build it that way. The 'dashboard' runs via web socket, so to change settings, view conditions, etc, you use localhost:8998 (the port is configurable on the command line at launch time). It also allows you to do these things remotely if you wish, however I would lock down external access unless you have a way to restrict it, as doing this via some sort of authentication isn't available (yet?). What makes it really great is you don't need to do any conversions for Cumulus 1.x.x to the new version. All that remains the same. The only difference that I could tell was time formatting on the webtags; due to the change in programming language. Pretty inconsequential in my opinion.
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Does it run in 32bit regime on xp?
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Does it run in 32bit regime on xp?
As far as I know. I can't say for sure as I'm running Win7/64.
Another thing I should probably mention is that while Cumulus 1.x.x has a provision for rebuilding missing dayfile.txt entries and the like, CumulusMX currently doesn't. I've gotten around that (when needed) by just keeping a copy of 1.x.x available, and if needed I copy the needed files for processing and have the old Cumulus do the processing, then shut down MX and copy the updated files to the MX path.
Also, keep in mind this is BETA software, and while it works perfectly fine for what I need it for right now, I'm sure there are still little defects to iron out. I found one just last week, but it's to the point now where these are from weird situations and fewer and far between right now.
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I just found it in the documentation, no xp support so useless to me :grin:
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I just found it in the documentation, no xp support so useless to me :grin:
You run on XP? I haven't done that in a little while, but I think that is pretty cool; I should make a thread on what versions people are using 8-)
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Yes I use xp
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Correct, no XP support as it uses .Net 4 which isn't supported on XP. Quite a lot of people have taken the opportunity to ditch the Windows weather station server and switch to a Raspberry Pi (or Beagle Blackbone or even a NAS box) and save lots of electricity!
I now run my site exclusively off an old model B rPi and CumulusMX
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Correct, no XP support as it uses .Net 4 which isn't supported on XP. Quite a lot of people have taken the opportunity to ditch the Windows weather station server and switch to a Raspberry Pi (or Beagle Blackbone or even a NAS box) and save lots of electricity!
I now run my site exclusively off an old model B rPi and CumulusMX
I have a Pi2 now also but keep seeing people having issues running with Mono, so for now I'm keeping MX on the Windows box (soon to be Windows 10).
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Yes that is correct, it is the Net framework causing the problem. I can't open it
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I just switched to Cumulus MX on Raspberry Pi Model B version 2 yesterday. I plan to stay with it. I was running Cumulus 1 on an old Windows XP machine and after many hardware replacements and repairs, and it showing signs again of needing more (repeatedly shutting down for unknown reasons) I decided I needed a more reliable setup. RPi is inexpensive, simple and reliable. You don't even need a fan and it's not much bigger than a deck of cards. I also have Thunderbird email and Iceweasel (Firefox) on it and much more. $35 for a brand new computer with quad core processor? Hell yeah!
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It had better be good, lol! I just ordered one on the strength of your post :)
My only concerns are… I'd like to run Win 10 (although that looks pretty simple to install) and, currently, I am using WinSCP for my data transmission.
Out in the bush, in Bulgaria, it costs a bit more than $35. With an 8gb card, a case and a mini WiFi adapter, it is costing me 131 leva (about $73) including delivery.
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Just in case you didn't know, the Windows 10 that runs on it is not the regular Windows 10. RPi has an ARM processor which will not run x86 operating systems. It's a special Windows 10, meant just for it, and as I understand it, it needs a PC running (regular) Windows 10 to access it. I still live in Windows XP land but I run Raspbian (jessie) on mine, which is free from the raspberry pi foundation and easy to install with free tools that you can download. If you decide to run Raspbian I have just been through figuring out how to get Windows Remote Desktop working to access it (most people use PuTTy, a telnet app along with Xming but I think Remote Desktop gives a better experience and is easier and quicker), and I can help you if you need any assistance. I briefly looked at the ARM version of Windows 10 for it but since I'm running XP I went with Raspbian which has a lot of online support and is the official system of the raspberry pi foundation. The Model B ver. 2 (I know nothing of the earlier ones) can surely act as a main PC for all but the most demanding things. There is an adapter available that allows it to directly interface with VGA also (don't use just any adapter though; that can create problems). I don't have anything with HDMI here but it works great with Remote Desktop just connected to my router. All I have plugged into mine is the ethernet cable, the USB from my station and the power supply. The case I got for mine has a fan but it's not needed. Some don't even use heatsinks but I think those should be on it just to be sure. I have links to the sites that tell how to get set up quickly if you want those but they are for using it with Raspbian.
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Thanks for the heads up about the vga adapter. Where I am buying from doesn't offer one so I was just going to nip down to my local computer store and buy one. However, as I am interested in a mini wifi keyboard and have seen one cheap in the UK, through Amazon, I may buy a few things from there and have them shipped. Heh, the price is adding up :)
Yes, I had read about Windows 10 for the Pi on several sites, including MS's and it looks pretty simple.
As far as running X86 apps is concerned (and remote access), I was looking to see if I could use TeamViewer http://eltechs.com/run-teamviewer-on-raspberry-pi/ (http://eltechs.com/run-teamviewer-on-raspberry-pi/) while away from home and that told me about ExaGear Desktop http://eltechs.com/product/exagear-desktop/ (http://eltechs.com/product/exagear-desktop/).
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The VGA adapter I mentioned for it is not an HDMI to VGA adapter. It's a stand-alone adapter that is meant especially for it. Reading on the RPi forums I have seen where some have had serious problems using some HDMI to VGA adapters. I didn't get into the details much as I don't plan to go that way. Remote Desktop can be used via the web also, although I never have so I'm not exactly sure how it's set up. Windows comes with Remote Desktop, of course. You only need to install a single package on Raspbian to make it work, but you may (likely will unless you have an HDMI monitor) have to use PuTTy the first time to get that package installed to use Remote Desktop. On the foundation site at raspberrypi.org there are forums and tutorials and they are the authority on Raspberry Pi. BTW, if you're using serial data into a USB connection (as I am) from your station, Raspbian (jessie anyway, Idk about earlier versions) comes complete with the USB to UART driver built in so no need to worry about that. The VGA adapter, Raspberry Pi, and anything you need can also be purchased from the RPi foundation. I got mine on eBay. Raspbian is free to download (zipped .IMG file).
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The Raspberry Pi Foundation is in the U.K. BTW :)
Oh, and I didn't check out the details of that VGA adapter closely since I'm not using one so you'll need to see what it is. It's talked about on the RPi forums and was designed by one of the people there for the Pi. I've always just used Remote Desktop even on my old Windows XP setup and I'm happy with that. One mouse and keyboard are all I can handle.
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Beta testing has been going on for 11 months now. Is MX any closer to being released?
Beta testers?
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It's available for anyone to use (you have to be registered on the Cumulus forum to be able to download it), so it is already effectively released. Many people are using it now for their live systems instead of Cumulus 1. As I understand it, it's still being called a beta because (a) it is likely to have more bugs than Cumulus 1 (but what software doesn't have bugs?) and (b) it still lacks a few facilities that Cumulus 1 has (but also has some facilities that Cumulus 1 doesn't have).
Eric
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Thank you! I didn't know it was available.
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Latest build is 3033 released today http://sandaysoft.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=27&t=12908 and I updated my MX in less than 5 minutes. Cumulus 1 and CumulusMX can be used interchangeable with the same/current data.
It is stable but still some Cumulus 1 features to come, and from what I have read most issues are in Mono and Raspberry Pi setup (whatever that is #-o ) I still mostly use Cumulus 1 as the Weather Diary is not yet in MX which I use for my snow recording.
Paul
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I got the page to come up but no data. Have to go back and re read the release notes I guess.
Hey Paul does MX still have support for PWS.com, WU, etc?
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Yes MX updates to all that Cumulus 1 does, and now including directly with AWEKAS instead of a file upload and also Weathercloud.
Paul
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Yes reading the release notes is what Steve loudly mandates ;)
To get a new install to show data you will likely have to copy in your cumulus.ini file (rename to Cumulus.ini) so that all the station settings, etc. are available to CumulusMX otherwise you will have to setup your station again. And you can also copy in your current data folder to continue with your historical data,
Paul
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Paul:
There was a problem in 3033.. Steve sent out 3034 today to take care of it...
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I noticed that this morning and upgraded to b3034. Also looks like a bit of a problem with a new version of Mono for those using the Pi. But the basic program is very stable.
I guess that is why it still is in beta. I am impressed though, by all the smart folks who are helping to work though those growing pains... way out of my league.
Paul
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Yes reading the release notes is what Steve loudly mandates ;)
To get a new install to show data you will likely have to copy in your cumulus.ini file (rename to Cumulus.ini) so that all the station settings, etc. are available to CumulusMX otherwise you will have to setup your station again. And you can also copy in your current data folder to continue with your historical data,
Paul
Very busy now at work, Fedex, so I'll probably try again on Thanksgiving.
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That goes to show what i know about the Pi's, I always thought Mono meant it wasn't stereo!!! :D :D
I noticed that this morning and upgraded to b3034. Also looks like a bit of a problem with a new version of Mono for those using the Pi. But the basic program is very stable.
I guess that is why it still is in beta. I am impressed though, by all the smart folks who are helping to work though those growing pains... way out of my league.
Paul
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Has this version actually gone live yet? I've seen some people running this, hoping I can get my hands on it soon.
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I'm running build 3041 without any issues. Very stable.
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hoping I can get my hands on it soon.
If you haven't located the download zip, it is at the bottom of this post http://sandaysoft.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=27&t=12908&start=30#p101008
The download follows, as an attachment. Note that you need to be a registered forum user to see the download.
Enjoy,
Paul
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Has this version actually gone live yet? I've seen some people running this, hoping I can get my hands on it soon.
It's likely going to be in beta for some time given what Steve's next adventure is.
If you haven't already, you'd be better off registering at the Cumulus forum. I used Cumulus 1.x for quite some time before going back to Weather Display. I realized I didn't need all the bloat that I was getting for it. I switched back, and then last year, put MX on a Pi running Mono and it has run nearly flawlessly now for about six months this way. The MX forum is quite robust with people who know the ins and outs and actually have had someone create a running startup/status/stop script for MX exclusively on Linux/Pi.
That's not to say I didn't like Weather Display...much the contrary. But it has a lot of stuff on it that I don't need, and MX is a great compromise. No GUI and runs in the background very quietly and resource-efficient. I like the idea of the dashboard via web page. It's just plain simple to use.
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MX will not run on XP, you have to use Cumulus 1.
It is because Cumulus MX requires .NET Framework 4.5 which will not run on XP.
I am using Cumulus 1 with my WMR968 on XP and find it very pleasant.
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I went back to Cumulus 1 a long time ago, mainly because I didn't want to alter or replace my site template. Cumulus MX doesn't send graphics to the server like Cumulus 1 did and my template needs that or to be altered and the alteration doesn't suit my aesthetic values. I do know of a new template that does work with MX (also Cumulus 1) that is awesome and very classy, both in aesthetics and function and it even switches to mobile view for phones and tablets.
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I do know of a new template that does work with MX (also Cumulus 1) that is awesome and very classy, both in aesthetics and function and it even switches to mobile view for phones and tablets.
Do tell
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I figured someone would ask. Here's a demo: https://weather34.com Check it out well. All it needs uploaded from Cumulus is realtime.txt and it works with other weather software also.
Info and download: https://weather34.com/homeweatherstation/
The setup works a little differently (it's awesome) so be sure to read everything. Let me know how it goes. The creator is a member here: http://www.wxforum.net/index.php?action=profile;u=14134