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Weather Software => WeatherLink/weatherlink.com by Davis Instruments => Topic started by: Randall Kayfes on July 30, 2015, 10:49:50 PM
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Well SO far Zero Problems with Win 10 and WeatherLink 6.0.3 with an Upgrade installation of Win 10 from Win 7.
The reason for this post is just in case anyone was wondering if there would be any issues and it was safe to proceed.
Randall
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Thanks for posting. 8-)
Part of the reason I stopped in the forum tonight was to see if any brave souls had their weather software working with Win 10 yet. I have both a Lenovo laptop and my Acer Aspire weather computer telling me it has downloaded and ready whenever I am. :lol:
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Using Windows 10 from 7 and 6.03 and no issues either. The upgrade to 10 was great--seamless and no issues.
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I have to say it was pretty amazing to find no issues none - how often does that happen?
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With Windows 10 downloading updates automatically, and you having no control over that, have you had the computer restart at inappropriate times?
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With Windows 10 downloading updates automatically, and you having no control over that, have you had the computer restart at inappropriate times?
Are you saying you can't turn off updates on windows 10. That would be a key factor for me. I can't have computers rebooting especially since I remotely control several. I want run time dependability not annoying daily updates.
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With Windows 10 downloading updates automatically, and you having no control over that, have you had the computer restart at inappropriate times?
Are you saying you can't turn off updates on windows 10. That would be a key factor for me. I can't have computers rebooting especially since I remotely control several. I want run time dependability not annoying daily updates.
At least on the home versions of W10, you can't turn off or delay updates. However, my experience with the Technical Preview and the release version is that (at least) updates requiring a reboot are not applied unless/until you either explicitly tell the system to 'Apply updates and Restart' or to shut down, when they are applied during the shutdown and subsequent boot up.
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Ryan,
I could be wrong but I believe 10 gives you a couple of warnings first and then does it for you...
In case you are curious WU has been moved to CP>ALL>Security and Maintenance>Automatic Maintenance
I have several test comps at work and no unasked for restarts yet, but with Pro you can shut off updates (haven't yet).
The bottom line none yet still waiting for that infamous day though...
BTW in 2015 I had at least three unwanted Update restarts with Win 7 (I guess MS was flexing their muscle).
Randall
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BTW, I am installing two test computers with 10 Home to get to the bottom of this question.
My 10 Pro just did a set of updates but did not auto restart...
Randall
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If you want complete control over updates, go to Linux.
With any version of Windows you will at some point have to restart to apply updates. Microsoft is forcing updates to try to keep everybody on the same code base and thus most compatible with the latest features that they roll out, when they roll them out.
But here is an article on the updates: http://www.howtogeek.com/219166/you-won%E2%80%99t-be-able-to-disable-or-delay-windows-updates-on-windows-10-home/
Here's an interesting article on win 10 updates: http://www.lifehacker.com.au/2015/08/windows-10-uses-your-bandwidth-to-distribute-updates-disable-it-here/
Since we are on the topic of Windows 10, "Done With Windows 10 Upgrade? Here Are Things You Shoud Do Next" (http://www.techtimes.com/articles/73327/20150801/done-windows-10-upgrade-here-things-shoud-next.htm)
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It will auto update without this tool. What a frigging mess. ](*,)
https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/kb/3073930
http://www.kitguru.net/gaming/operating-systems/matthew-wilson/microsoft-backtracks-on-forced-automatic-updates-in-windows-10/
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Me personally,
I have Win 10 on a Virtual Machine but I'm not going to update my main PC to it for at least several weeks.
I don't have any issue with Microsoft forcing updates but that's only if they stick to updates for existing software and not sneaking in NEW software onto my system.
Case in point: Skype (https://www.404techsupport.com/2015/03/microsoft-pushing-skype-optional-windows-update-kb2876229/)
Its not that I have something against Skype. Its just that if Microsoft did this once with one program, who's to say that they won't do it again with other programs. Think about that one for awhile.
End Rant...
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I have problems with auto updates as many others do also. These aren't just security updates they are forcing driver updates as well from what I've read. What if you have custom drivers and Microsoft decides they want to update your video card driver, I have a tethering driver for my Samsung phone and the standard driver will kill my tethering abilities etc.
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Can someone with Windows 10 see if this works for turning off updates.
http://www.markspcsolution.com/2014/11/disable-automatic-update-in-windows-10.html
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Valentine I will check it out on my Win 7 Home test laptop and desktop.
BTW this thread was started not to bash or praise Win 10 as that is to each his own.
It was started to identify specific issues regarding Win 10 and WeatherLink.
Automatic updates is near and dear to any user of WL as it can kill off your session of WL.
Randall
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Valentine I will check it out on my Win 7 Home test laptop and desktop.
BTW this thread was started not to bash or praise Win 10 as that is to each his own.
It was started to identify specific issues regarding Win 10 and WeatherLink.
Automatic updates is near and dear to any user of WL as it can kill off your session of WL.
Randall
It kills all programs is why I have the concern. I'm trying to decide today on a friends new machine with WL if I want to update his or not. He's leaving it up to me. #-o I'm not updating my machine until late in the year if I do. I'm leaning that way on his machine unless there is a sure way to shut the updates off.
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Valentine I will check it out on my Win 7 Home test laptop and desktop.
BTW this thread was started not to bash or praise Win 10 as that is to each his own.
It was started to identify specific issues regarding Win 10 and WeatherLink.
Automatic updates is near and dear to any user of WL as it can kill off your session of WL.
Randall
It kills all programs is why I have the concern. I'm trying to decide today on a friends new machine with WL if I want to update his or not. He's leaving it up to me. #-o I'm not updating my machine until late in the year if I do. I'm leaning that way on his machine unless there is a sure way to shut the updates off.
I would ere on the side of caution and wait. Maybe in a few months Microsoft will have stuck something in that will allow users to pick which updates to install (or not install) and when.
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I had Windows 10 on my office machine on Saturday just long enough to see that I'll stick with Windows 7 for now. Not that I don't like it, but hearing some of these things makes me not want to switch over just yet. I'll let other people UAT it before I do.
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"I had Windows 10 on my office machine on Saturday just long enough to see that I'll stick with Windows 7 for now."
This actually surprises me. I had "heard" that once you put Win 10 on your machine, you couldn't "roll it back". Maybe it's not all bad.
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"I had Windows 10 on my office machine on Saturday just long enough to see that I'll stick with Windows 7 for now."
This actually surprises me. I had "heard" that once you put Win 10 on your machine, you couldn't "roll it back". Maybe it's not all bad.
I tried using my win7 key from Technet as I had heard that should work without having to upgrade. So I did a plainjane install.
The key doesn't work, but will allow you to keep it installed on the machine for 30 days. I messed around with it on a brand new install on my office machine so it wasn't an upgrade from W7 to W10. Wasn't impressed reformatted/reinstalled W7 with the Technet key I had and it worked. I don't think I'll upgrade either machine until I'm forced to.
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With Windows 10 downloading updates automatically, and you having no control over that, have you had the computer restart at inappropriate times?
Talking to a friend who has 10 Home says there is a setting you can check that says you can choose to restart on your schedule. Not when the updates are downloaded. Even if a restart is required.
Is this true?
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Ocala, yes that is true.
Valentine, Group Policy Editor is only available in the Pro and Enterprise editions of Win 7, 8, 8.1, 10.
and your listed fix does work on Win 10 Pro.
Randall
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Talking to a friend who has 10 Home says there is a setting you can check that says you can choose to restart on your schedule. Not when the updates are downloaded. Even if a restart is required.
Is this true?
First updates arrived last night.
I had set it to notify me so i can shedule the reboot.
It downloaded and installed the updates in background and notified me about to shedule the reboot.
It actually shedule as default a reboot to following night at 03:30 if you not change it before that.
I also leaved open a couple of programs to see if they are there after the reboot (browser + notepad with some unsaved random text). All open programmes was gone after the reboot.
// Henkka
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Thanks Randall, so gpedit.msc doesn't come with home edition how nice of Microsoft.
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Valentine,
I just download a spreadsheet from MS that maps every group policy to a specific registry value.
It will take me a while to find the correct mapping (huge list) to write a registry script that will kill it.
I am not the only one going for this and quite frankly I would think someone will beat me to it.
I like scripting but this is like writing machine code at the command prompt :-)
BTW Pro versions of Win have the capability to join Domains hence the GPO editor.
However the registry in any version has exactly the same capability with the right entries and values.
And the registries are the keys to the kingdom in any windows OS.
weatherc thanks for the update (pi)
Why do I find this fun......
Randall
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I tried using my win7 key from Technet as I had heard that should work without having to upgrade. So I did a plainjane install.
The key doesn't work, but will allow you to keep it installed on the machine for 30 days. I messed around with it on a brand new install on my office machine so it wasn't an upgrade from W7 to W10. Wasn't impressed reformatted/reinstalled W7 with the Technet key I had and it worked. I don't think I'll upgrade either machine until I'm forced to.
I tried the same thing, downloaded the ISOs from MS so I could do clean loads instead of upgrade. After that didn't work (said wrong key) I googled around and found the workaround.
Turns out that the way they are able to let everyone upgrade from anything Win7 upward is that they issue and register a new product key for Win10 during the "official" upgrade, assigned to your hardware. You can do a clean load after that with the Win7 key. Extra steps that first time, but no crapware.
[edit]Oops! The "new" product key shows up in your computer properties after the upgrade and can be used for a clean reinstall of 10. The buried key is what the upgrade uses to validate your old OS, so you shouldn't need that one.[/edit]
http://www.howtogeek.com/224342/how-to-clean-install-windows-10/
Another thing I learned (by failing first) is that it will not accept an OEM key from Windows8 for a clear install of Windows10.. But you can paste the code below into a cmd window to get your "original" key (Win8 only) that doesn't have letters in it. Do this BEFORE the upgrade, because the command does not work in Win10.
WMIC Path SoftwareLicensingService Get OA3xOriginalProductKey
http://www.eightforums.com/installation-setup/38486-need-help-formatted-genuine-windows-8-lenovo.html#post330277
I have a refurb HP laptop (AMD E1-2100 with 4GB, came with 8.1) that I got with a promo code at Fry's for $150 that will someday in the near future replace a severely limping old Dell netbook as my wx and media server. Good thing you don't need any kind of power for those tasks, because Win10 has already brought it to it's knees, compared to Win8. It takes up to 10-seconds to load a jpeg from the desktop, and have lots of patience waiting for webpages to open with Edge (already put Chrome on it out of impatience). Desktop search keystrokes remind me of watching someone type across a 300-baud modem from the lag.
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In Win 7 I used to run WeatherLink in a user account called weather and worked in another account. I did this so when WL began it's download process it would not take focus and the mouse away from what I was working on.
Win 7 had an unsupported feature called Virtual Desktops that was somewhat buggy. Virtual Desktops are now supported and unlocked in Win 10.
The virtual desktop allows multiple versions of your desktop to run in the same user account. So while WL is cruising away in Desktop 2, I can still work in Desktop 1 uninterrupted by WL's focus shifting activitiy. To take a quick peek at the weather I can just win+ctrl+right arrow and instantly I am in WL. Ctrl+Win+Left Arrow and I am back at work.
The only bug left is Win 10 (and 7) will not kick the screensaver in if you have even just one Virtual Desktop. So now I have to Win+L to manually lock the computer.
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Update Win 10 Screensaver now works with Virtual Desktops and WeatherLink... must have been in a update.
Randall
UPDATE: Given enough time it will refuse to go to screensaver at the appointed time. WeatherLink keeps the timers busy enough it will not activate.
Randall
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Since moving last week from Win 8.1 to Win 10, I have been getting one or two messages per day that the "WU PWS network has detected that your personal weather station...has not reported." I confirm that WU is not receiving my data (weather station does not show up on their site), then I shut down WeatherLink and restart it...and WU starts receiving reports again. I can't verify that this is a Win 10 compatibility problem. But the Win 10 upgrade is when it started happening.
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Double check that your power savings transferred correctly...
Randall
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Kaymann, you may be right. I revised the power settings so the computer never goes to sleep. It has been 12 hours without a complaint from WeatherUnderground.
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Thinking of upgrading my weather PC to windows 10 soon, and was wondering about i9f I have to run weatherlink as an administrator like I have to do now in windows 7 or it doesn't work properly.
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Ryan what specific issues are you facing? I will set an standard user and test it for you.
Randall
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Ryan what specific issues are you facing? I will set an standard user and test it for you.
Randall
In Windows 7 I had to set the weatherlink .exe file as run as administrator as otherwise it wouldn't download the data I think. I set it that way a long time ago, so can't 100% remember what the problem was.
Edit, unticked the run as administrator box in the compatibility section of the properties, and when I tried to run weatherlink, got all these errors about all the wlk files being read only, so that's probably why I did it originally.
What I was thinking was if windows 10 restarts by itself, having weatherlink in the start up folder, so it would start automatically, but being prompted to run as admin means that would not work.
I am concerned about this forced updates thing in windows 10 if the update needs a reboot.
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Ryan,
It ran perfectly for me in a standard local account in Win 10.
As far as forced updates I have Win 10 Pro and have it set to ask me first and it just without asking installed an OneDrive update.
This is going to be the price of free going forward....
Randall
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Hey all, I have not been as lucky as many of you have. I upgraded from Win 7x64 to Win 10x64 today and now my system does not see my Davis Pro 2 weather station which worked great with Win 7. The system detects when the station is disconnected and connected back but Weatherlink does not see it. I have tried a couple of suggestions that Tom (from Davis) provided but nothing works. Device Manager shows Com 3 but it does not recognize the device. If anyone has any suggestions, it would be much appreciated. I have tried a couple versions of Weatherlink to no avail.
Ted
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Are you using the Silicon Labs CP210x USB UART Bridge (COM3)?
If not I believe I have the driver that will work with Win 10
Randall
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Randall,
You don't happen to have one that's designed for Windows 10 do you?
Oh, thinking of Win 10 Drivers for the Davis USB Datalogger...
I contacted Silicon Labs awhile back (I think it was about 2 weeks ago now) and they said that they are working on a Driver for the CP210x USB to UART bridge for not just Win 10 but Win 10 IoT as well.
I did ask them if they will be supporting the CP210x on the RPi 2 running Win 10 IoT Core and they said that is in the works as well.
Just thought I would throw this in here.
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Are you using the Silicon Labs CP210x USB UART Bridge (COM3)?
If not I believe I have the driver that will work with Win 10
Randall
Thanks Randall, no, I am using Prolific Technologies (COM 3).
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Switch to the Silicon Labs and you should have no problems...
Randall
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Switch to the Silicon Labs and you should have no problems...
Randall
Thanks for the suggestions, I found that if I used a 2008 version of Prolific Technologies it works great. I am a happy camper again.
Ted
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Ted, As long as it works - awesome!
Randall
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Update on the problem (earlier in this thread) of WeatherLink losing contact with Weatherunderground, resulting in the station going offline...It was suggested that this is a power settings issue in Win10. I did change the settings, and I thought that fixed it. But now it is clearly not fixed. I continue to experience this at odd times. Unresolved.
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Latest on the Screen Saver Situation -
It was an Logitech Setpoint update to my wireless mouse/keyboard that saved the day not a Windows 10 update.
Now everything is perfect with the screensaver.
(This fix has been confirmed in multiple developers forums...)
Tevens is there anyway you can switch to the silicon labs driver?
Randall
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Latest on the Screen Saver Situation -
It was an Logitech Setpoint update to my wireless mouse/keyboard that saved the day not a Windows 10 update.
Now everything is perfect with the screensaver.
(This fix has been confirmed in multiple developers forums...)
Tevens is there anyway you can switch to the silicon labs driver?
Randall
Hey Randall,
I am not familiar with those drivers. I was given the Prolific drivers by Davis and that is all that I have ever used. If you will provide a link to the one that I need, I will load them on my laptop and see how they work. Thanks
Ted
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Ted,
Here is the link and it works perfectly with Win 10:
https://www.silabs.com/products/mcu/Pages/USBtoUARTBridgeVCPDrivers.aspx (https://www.silabs.com/products/mcu/Pages/USBtoUARTBridgeVCPDrivers.aspx)
I originally got this when I reinstalled Win 7 and did not install a driver and Win 7 offered this up and it worked perfectly.
Randall
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Ted,
Here is the link and it works perfectly with Win 10:
https://www.silabs.com/products/mcu/Pages/USBtoUARTBridgeVCPDrivers.aspx (https://www.silabs.com/products/mcu/Pages/USBtoUARTBridgeVCPDrivers.aspx)
I originally got this when I reinstalled Win 7 and did not install a driver and Win 7 offered this up and it worked perfectly.
Randall
Thanks much for the link Randall, I will try it in my laptop first, when I can find the time. I have just upgrade my desktop, laptop and tablet to Win 10 and I have some learning to do. What I have seen so far, I think I will like the new OS. Thanks again.
Ted
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Whew!.
So far so good. While installing 10 this morning of course the power blinked half way through.
Computer had to restart and install 7 again. Then had to download 10 and go through the install process.
So far WL and Cumulus are working fine.
Now, on to checking out this new OS. Hopefully won't encounter any problems.
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I am happy so far, but with some glitches that had nothing to do with WL
TBL is WL is a good match for Win 10 - as long as the SiliconLabs driver is used.
Randall
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I see 10 has it own weather page too. Interesting.
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Everybody
Please see my separate post "WeatherLink and Win 10". Can anyone help with prob., please? A couple of other things since my previous post. The date format was correctly set for Australia in Win 7 and is correctly set "25.09" on the data logger Vantage Vue.
Thanks
Keith Griffin
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Weatherlink 6.0.3 went haywire on my windows 10 Pro machine yesterday, so uninstalled it and tried to re install and kept getting this:
(https://farm1.staticflickr.com/733/21826207479_c5faa1950f_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/zfH254)2015-10-07 16.31.17 (https://flic.kr/p/zfH254) by Ryan Hothersall (https://www.flickr.com/photos/ryanhothersall/), on Flickr
Yet it was working fine before it threw a tantrum, so why can't I re install???.
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Weatherlink 6.0.3 went haywire on my windows 10 Pro machine yesterday, so uninstalled it and tried to re install and kept getting this:
Yet it was working fine before it threw a tantrum, so why can't I re install???.
You say that you were trying to reinstall WL 6.0.3, but the installer says it is trying to install WL 5.8.0. It may be that the older version is not compatible with W10 and/or needs a DLL or a DLL version that is not present in W10. I use W10, but normally run my own software to interface with my weather station. However, I do have WL 6.0.3 installed, and I just ran it to confirm that a recent Windows Update hadn't clobbered it - it ran fine. I would try backing up and then deleting your installation and data directories and reinstalling 6.0.3 from scratch.
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It's said to run 6.0.3 properly, you need 6.0.0 installed first. Whether that's still the case or 5.8.0 suffices in that matter, dunno.
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It's said to run 6.0.3 properly, you need 6.0.0 installed first. Whether that's still the case or 5.8.0 suffices in that matter, dunno.
That isn't my experience on W10. I just installed 6.0.3 directly and (admittedly with very limited use) have seen no problems.
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It's said to run 6.0.3 properly, you need 6.0.0 installed first. Whether that's still the case or 5.8.0 suffices in that matter, dunno.
That isn't my experience on W10. I just installed 6.0.3 directly and (admittedly with very limited use) have seen no problems.
My statement was based on my recollection of a couple of years ago. Whatever 603 was missing from 600, may now be incorporated into it making 600 unnecessary.
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When I do a reinstall of Weatherlink, I go back to my CD copy as supplied by Davis when I purchased the software and start with that. That is ver.5.9.2 for Windows.
I then run in turn, Ver 5.9.3 then Ver 6.0.0 then finally (for now) Ver 6.0.3 all three of which I had downloaded from the Davis web site. They are all now sitting in my Weatherlink directory.
This approach worked every time with Win 7.
I have recently installed Win 10 and the above happily runs my website.
BTW I fixed my originally reported date problem by simply ensuring the date was properly set up for my location (Brisbane, Australia) and then restarted Win 10 and voila!!
best wishes
Keith G
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When I do a reinstall of Weatherlink, I go back to my CD copy as supplied by Davis when I purchased the software and start with that. That is ver.5.9.2 for Windows.
I then run in turn, Ver 5.9.3 then Ver 6.0.0 then finally (for now) Ver 6.0.3 all three of which I had downloaded from the Davis web site. They are all now sitting in my Weatherlink directory.
This approach worked every time with Win 7.
I am glad to hear it - but why go through that palaver? I understand from what others have written that there may have been a bug which required the prior installation of a previous version for the successful installation of at least one of the 6.0.x variants, but I cannot imagine why you would want or need successively to install three previous versions before V 6.0.3. As I have noted, V 6.0.3, from the Davis site, installs and runs for me, without prior ado.
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As I have noted, V 6.0.3, from the Davis site, installs and runs for me, without prior ado.
Just to make sure - are you saying that you can do a "bare metal" install of WeatherLink for Windows Update 6.0.3 - downloaded from http://davisnet.com/support/weather/download/WeatherLink_Install_603.exe -- on a new PC, without first installing some version from a CD supplied by Davis?
In other words, it works without requiring a license?
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Just to make sure - are you saying that you can do a "bare metal" install of WeatherLink for Windows Update 6.0.3 - downloaded from http://davisnet.com/support/weather/download/WeatherLink_Install_603.exe -- on a new PC, without first installing some version from a CD supplied by Davis?
In other words, it works without requiring a license?
That was certainly what I was saying, but my memory was playing me false. Having checked my download directories and my disk files, I discovered that I don't have a downloaded copy of the Installer and my Weatherlink CD is, in fact V 6.0.3. I must have installed it from the original CD, though I almost never do this for hardware support utilities - I am used to these not requiring any license other than the existence of the installed hardware on the system. Apologies to all for my confusion!
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Weatherlink 6.0.3 went haywire on my windows 10 Pro machine yesterday, so uninstalled it and tried to re install and kept getting this:
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Yet it was working fine before it threw a tantrum, so why can't I re install???.
Bottom line: You purchased a license, which doesn't expire. Contact Davis to get a CD that will install on Windows 10. [Or sometimes they will provide a download that includes the licensing that's on the CD]. After that, you can update directly to the latest version which is 6.0.3
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One other factor to consider -
Where were you trying to install WL?
If my memory serves me right it defaults to installing into the root directory (C:\)
To do this in Win 10 will require you to right click the installer and Run as a Administrator.
Win 10 is justifiably a little finicky about what goes where.
Then again this could just be nothing to the problem.
Just a thought...
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Hello, in meteocampoo.es we are expectants with this improvement, for our opinion the biggest news are:
First: Windows 10 are ARM compatible, and have a minimalist version named "Windows 10 IoT Core"
Second: teorically Windows 10 IoT Core can run on a RASPBERRY PI 2, in other words: weatherlink could work on a raspberry pi 2
Third: Teamviewer 11 beta run on ARM and Windows 10.
Anybody can confirm if itīs true: a raspberry pi 2 ruuning Weatherlink and teamviewer for minimalist, low consuption, zero noise, remote stations?
nest days will try it.
meteocampoo team
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AFAIK Teamviewer 11 does not run (yet?) on Raspbian. You can run TV 10 via Exagear though.
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Greetings:
I am currently running Win 10 build 1511 or 101586 with only one issue.
WL is in fact keeping my computer from going to screen saver (all of my pano weather photos) unless I set it exactly 4 minutes.
No matter what I set the Display Power Down setting to it will refuse to do it.
If I choose a different user account the screensaver and power settings work perfectly even though WL is working flawlessly on my main account int the background.
I know the problem is WL's custom mouse settings that make it look a wind anemometer in action during downloads, which makes Windows think the mouse is being moved.
Yes I am working on that one but nearly given up...
I have heard that some users are tired of drivers being automatically swapped out without their approval.
Here is a simple step by step to stop automatic driver updates without your approval:
http://m.winsupersite.com/windows-10/stop-automatic-driver-updates-windows-10 (http://m.winsupersite.com/windows-10/stop-automatic-driver-updates-windows-10)
Here is another interesting tool that is just too intriguing to overlook
http://www.oo-software.com/en/shutup10 (http://www.oo-software.com/en/shutup10)
To find out what version of Windows you are using type the Windows Icon Key and "R" (or the run command) then type "winver" without any quotes.
Randall
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Back to the questions of Windows 7 & 10 automatic updates I came up with a solution:
http://www.wxforum.net/index.php?topic=29952.0 (http://www.wxforum.net/index.php?topic=29952.0)
Randall