Topic: The Global Warming Hoax Explained for Dummies - a video...

[W3DRM]

Am inserting the text of an email I received today that points to a YouTube video on global warming. It is a 12m:22s video that has some pretty strong scientific statements regarding carbon dioxide and other things that impact or do not impact the earth's climate. See the following email extract:

Subject: The Global Warming Hoax Explained for Dummies

Fun cartoon and other links to the anti-global warming enthusiasts. Interesting. Hope it gets wide distribution. Read the comments—they are fun too. The link below, The Global Warming Hoax Explained for Dummies, is a wonderful exposition of the reality of climate change.  It’s as complete as I could expect from a 12-minute video (a bit long but hang in there), but is full of clearly explained information.  It’s funny in places as well.

As an aside, I can only assume that you are all familiar with the “For Dummies” and “Idiot’s Guide” books.  If you are not, I want to make clear that the title is NOT meant as an insult. Beyond the video, my specialization in electrical engineering graduate school was in optical physics. The video makes brief reference to spectroscopic analysis showing that anthropogenic warming or any form of anthropogenic climate change as a result of the misnamed “greenhouse gasses” is impossible. I stand by that.  The science simply does not support anthropogenic global warming. I hope that you enjoy the video as much as I did!

The Global Warming Hoax Explained for Dummies https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nq4Bc2WCsdE

"The more you research, the crazier you sound to ignorant people."

[Jáchym]

Working as a climatologist, and being less than 30 yrs old and already seeing what I see here, I am not going to comment on this...

maybe just add to this - this is not a viedeo for dummies, I would say it is a video for "dumbies" - that is my opinion

[gwwilk]

Working as a climatologist, and being less than 30 yrs old and already seeing what I see here, I am not going to comment on this...

maybe just add to this - this is not a viedeo for dummies, I would say it is a video for "dumbies" - that is my opinion

Ad hominem arguments don't sway me.  Do you have a scientifically based rebuttal?

Anthropogenic climate change due to CO² and methane is fairly thoroughly debunked by this video.  Another part of the problem is how climate is loosely defined by the anthropogenic climate change proponents.  Our normal weather fluctuations are seized upon as representative of 'climate change'.  This misconception regarding climate gives another lie to their arguments because they fail to recognize how climate isn't day-to-day weather but rather consists of millennial changes in average weather.  The video also accurately points out the liberal social-engineering agenda that is behind the anthropogenic climate change hoax.

The video that followed this one for me on YouTube was George Carlin's monologue on climate change.  The language is typically raw, but he also makes some interesting points.

[Jáchym]

Yes, I agree that things such as ice ages etc. have a much more pronounced effect, however, these are things that happen and change every several tens thousands of yrs. So we don't really have to worry about what will be in say yr 8504, but the current antropogenic driven climate changes will affect all of us.

[ValentineWeather]

Awesome video. 

[W3DRM]

I don't think anyone denies that the climate is changing. The real issue is what our governments and so-called scientific communities are saying it is caused by. The video very clearly points out the fallacy of the scientific/government community that is blaming the problem on carbon-emissions while there is a lot of evidence that points to this being yet another climate cycle that has been going on for many years before man was even on this planet. The hockey-stick phenomenon has been proven to be a deliberate act to hide the real facts.

This particular topic has been previously discussed in much depth on this forum and at times has become very heated. I hesitated even posting the video in the first place because I knew it would raise similar responses from the current membership but felt it was pretty-well done and contained some good facts that needed to be voiced. Whether anyone accepts these arguments or not, is each individuals prerogative.

I guess what really bothers me is that well-known scientists, for whatever reason, felt they had to falsify the real data. That in itself, leads to all kinds of ramifications that impact not just a small group of scientists but the entire world-wide scientific community. Beyond the impacts on the credibility of the scientific community, it impacts all of us relative to the unnecessary costs that are being imposed on us for no reason at all. Everyone suffers as a result!

[saratogaWX]

Perhaps this helps explain why the raw data has to be massaged to be meaningful.  Arguing about specifics of the data measurements while not taking any concrete actions to reduce our use of ancient stored carbon is not really helpful.  Yes, the CO2 in the atmosphere is rising to an all-time high in this interglacial period.  Yes, the Arctic (and Antarctic) ice cover is thinning and sea level is rising.  Yes, there's an enormous methane leak in California (and other places), and the thawing permafrost is releasing additional methane in the mix.  We are fiddling with the climate system whether we acknowledge it or not, and warmer will not be better for us (or many other lifeforms).

My understanding is that video is a bit old (Jul 6, 2012) and many more climatologists have since agreed that anthropological actions are a major contributor to the climate change currently underway.

Just my thoughts.

Ken

[ValentineWeather]

Nobel laureate Ivar Giaever's speech at the Nobel Laureates meeting 1st July 2015.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TCy_UOjEir0&feature=youtu.be

[Jáchym]

Spot on Ken,
the video is 4 yrs old. I was just translating the IPCC report from last yr and thus I also had to go back to the previous report to compare the translations to make it consistent. And of course I therefore had a direct comparison. Things that were previously labeled as "highly probable" are now "virtually certain" etc.

[DoctorKnow]

I don't know about calling climate change a "hoax", but it certainly IS NOT the most dangerous issue we have to deal with in the world today. Anyone who pumps out that it is, is a fraud in my book. Global warming is a political agenda, to tax you more.

[Jáchym]

I don't know about calling climate change a "hoax", but it certainly IS NOT the most dangerous issue we have to deal with in the world today. Anyone who pumps out that it is, is a fraud in my book. Global warming is a political agenda, to tax you more.

I agree with that, though it is one of the most dangerous one, currently here in Europe it is the absolute uncontrolled immigration, which is scaring me as hell because this is just crazy what is happening here now

[ValentineWeather]

The way I look at it, its the tool being used to bring global socialism. Trillions $$ being wasted in research and development that won't change anything, when we actually could be helping the worlds needy.

[DoctorKnow]

I don't know about calling climate change a "hoax", but it certainly IS NOT the most dangerous issue we have to deal with in the world today. Anyone who pumps out that it is, is a fraud in my book. Global warming is a political agenda, to tax you more.

I agree with that, though it is one of the most dangerous one, currently here in Europe it is the absolute uncontrolled immigration, which is scaring me as hell because this is just crazy what is happening here now

It is scary. I don't understand why it is being allowed to go on either.

[Jáchym]

No-one does, 90% of the population here are against it, the governements and especially EU seems to completely ignore public opinion, there are already riots going on because it is getting out of control..

[Bushman]

No-one does, 90% of the population here are against it, the governements and especially EU seems to completely ignore public opinion, there are already riots going on because it is getting out of control..

OT:  http://www.nationalpost.com/m/wp/news/blog.html?b=news.nationalpost.com/full-comment/lawrence-solomon-europe-is-planning-to-deport-hundreds-of-thousands-of-muslims&pubdate=2016-02-08

[ValentineWeather]

No-one does, 90% of the population here are against it, the governements and especially EU seems to completely ignore public opinion, there are already riots going on because it is getting out of control..

OT:  http://www.nationalpost.com/m/wp/news/blog.html?b=news.nationalpost.com/full-comment/lawrence-solomon-europe-is-planning-to-deport-hundreds-of-thousands-of-muslims&pubdate=2016-02-08

WOW, didn't realize it was that bad. Scary stuff happening in Europe.... And the medias attempt to cover up not surprising.

[saratogaWX]

A NASA/JPL Duke University study "Long-term global warming needs external drivers" was just released.

A study by scientists at NASA’s Jet Propulsion Laboratory in Pasadena, California, and Duke University in Durham, North Carolina, shows, in detail, the reason why global temperatures remain stable in the long run unless they are pushed by outside forces, such as increased greenhouse gases due to human impacts.

[gwwilk]

A NASA/JPL Duke University study "Long-term global warming needs external drivers" was just released.

A study by scientists at NASA’s Jet Propulsion Laboratory in Pasadena, California, and Duke University in Durham, North Carolina, shows, in detail, the reason why global temperatures remain stable in the long run unless they are pushed by outside forces, such as increased greenhouse gases due to human impacts.

Their assumption of a stable underlying climate is the flaw in their reasoning.  The climate changes naturally, and to assume they have identified and and thereby controlled every variable that results in these changes is reckless guesswork, not science.  They can't model weather, much less climate.

[ValentineWeather]

As Jerry said.
More bad science helping with the cover up?  Because we aren't warming (when the BS & manipulated bad data is removed) at the rates the Al Gores of the world predicted and they know it so well. The climate gate emails are just one small example I'll reference, internal concerns the data wasn't as expected years ago.
 
How convenient a new study comes out, as long as we don't hit those external drivers maybe we can slow the warming. So lets continue on with all this bogus green energy crap in a futile attempt to control greenhouse gases throwing trillions of dollars at some problem that doesn't exist.
Meanwhile mother earth will continue doing her thing of natural climate change that man has absolutely zero control over. 

[DoctorKnow]

I 100% agree with the above two posts. Why can't people see that Sanders is a fear monger with his crazy stance on people running for the hills because of his definition of Climate change and extreme temperature changes. This isn't a science fiction movie, although I think they want it to be with his conspiracy crap.

[W3DRM]

I too agree with those last two posts. In addition to them, I believe that even if the United States were to comply with controlling the proposed environmental elements, like CO₂ gas emissions, none of it will make a bit of a difference considering that China, India and many other countries are completely ignoring any of these so-called beneficial controls. In fact, China is, as we discuss this, in the process of placing hundred's of new coal-fired power plants on-line to support their population power needs!

Why is it that the good 'ole USA has to always be the target for these kinds of issues? Could it just possibly be that we have the deepest pockets in the world? It never ends! 

I'm all for being environmentally aware and to practice good stewardship for this planet but this climate change crap has gone way too far.

[broadstairs]

I too agree with those last two posts. In addition to them, I believe that even if the United States were to comply with controlling the proposed environmental elements, like CO₂ gas emissions, none of it will make a bit of a difference considering that China, India and many other countries are completely ignoring any of these so-called beneficial controls. In fact, China is, as we discuss this, in the process of placing hundred's of new coal-fired power plants on-line to support their population power needs!

While I agree that India and China are ignoring this I do not agree that this is a good reason why the USA and other countries should NOT change, that is head in the sand again.

Stuart

[gwwilk]

I too agree with those last two posts. In addition to them, I believe that even if the United States were to comply with controlling the proposed environmental elements, like CO₂ gas emissions, none of it will make a bit of a difference considering that China, India and many other countries are completely ignoring any of these so-called beneficial controls. In fact, China is, as we discuss this, in the process of placing hundred's of new coal-fired power plants on-line to support their population power needs!

While I agree that India and China are ignoring this I do not agree that this is a good reason why the USA and other countries should NOT change, that is head in the sand again.

Stuart

Spending other people's money is fun, isn't it, particularly on false pretenses.

[W3DRM]

I too agree with those last two posts. In addition to them, I believe that even if the United States were to comply with controlling the proposed environmental elements, like CO₂ gas emissions, none of it will make a bit of a difference considering that China, India and many other countries are completely ignoring any of these so-called beneficial controls. In fact, China is, as we discuss this, in the process of placing hundred's of new coal-fired power plants on-line to support their population power needs!

While I agree that India and China are ignoring this I do not agree that this is a good reason why the USA and other countries should NOT change, that is head in the sand again.

Stuart

Stuart, et al,

My point was that the impact of the US, which is already one of smallest generators of carbon emissions due to our already implemented cut-backs, is so insignificant to what both China and India and other third-world countries are generating and will continue to do so at ever increasing levels.

IMO, continuing on blindly, as we are, is the real head-in-the-sand attitude being demonstrated by our politicians today.

[Jáchym]

the impact of the US, which is already one of smallest generators of carbon emissions due to our already implemented cut-backs

Ehm....
http://data.worldbank.org/indicator/EN.ATM.CO2E.PC?order=wbapi_data_value_2011+wbapi_data_value+wbapi_data_value-first&sort=desc
And look at the top countries, in general tiny insignificant ones

CO2 per capita
   
Qatar   44.0      
Trinidad and Tobago   37.1      
Kuwait   28.1      
Brunei Darussalam   24.4      
Aruba   23.9      
Luxembourg   20.9      
United Arab Emirates   20.4      
Oman    20.2      
Saudi Arabia   18.1      
Bahrain   17.9      
United States   17.0   

I am not arguing about what you are saying here in general, but I just have to disagree with this particular fact.