Topic: The Warming Climate

[Scalphunter]

lot of guppies out their and I yet have to see Jac come up with anything that is positive  beyond his job.  Artic is warming up  because of an storm track has changes a few years back.  Since mid 80's the majority of the storms been tracking  up the Bering sea.  No land masses to block the flow .  Those  storms use to track into SEAK and then into Canada and  down across the US.   I have yet to see anyone  bring that up.

Also remember the   big earthquake in japan  were  Japan  move 8 feet and it tilted the earth axis. Have yet to see any one  touch that in the so called  global warming. Tilt the earth the wrong direction  more artic lands get expose to the sun.  Inuit elders  noticed it  but  NASA didn't.

 Guess us simple folks  with out the PHD's  can see stuff that  data  gathers can't see because the an tree in  the way  of the forest.

[waiukuweather]

yes, the jet streams have changed alot..which is changing where storms track, and is causing more blocking too, and that is part of the climate change that is related to gobal warming

[Bunty]

That last source of new source I would use an government fund liberal news.

All it did was quote Trump.  What would be a good source for new for you?  InfoWars.com?

[Jáchym]

No, dont worry I dont have a PhD (and most likely wont have one if thats what interests you) and I was just trying to say that he did exactly what I thought he would do.... he was making very strong statements to get people´s support but he knew that pursuing these goals in reality would be a problem in such extent...
eg: http://edition.cnn.com/2016/11/22/politics/conway-no-clinton-charges-donald-trump/

And yes your points are indeed valid, but I believe my points (i.e. points of global warming supporters) are just as valid and we could have this debate about confidence bias again

These changes he is now making in terms of his actions come as no surprise to me. It was relatively obvious that he was just trying to get votes, not obliging to anything, but he knew very well that he will have to be very careful about how far he would go. He is not the president of the world and has to also respect and take into account other peoples´ decisions.

[ValentineWeather]

It is sad that countries like the Czech Republic care a lot (people here either support this or they dont care, but I dont know of anyone - and Im dead serious - anyone who would say this is not happening), while the country that has a huge responsibility for this due to its size and population now wants to boycott this.

The world may not have to put up with Trump for very long if this college professor's prediction is correct:  http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/%e2%80%98prediction-professor%e2%80%99-who-called-trump%e2%80%99s-big-win-also-made-another-forecast-trump-will-be-impeached/ar-AAkbsjd?li=BBnb7Kz&ocid=HPCDHP

I reported this as political and inappropriate. Posting what some liberal POS says offends me.

[tbrasel]

HE was just a vehicle that 85% of every county in America (available at the county to county electoral U.S.A. map, except both of our left coastal counties) got in & are driving it to change our direction. It would not make any difference if Daffy Duck or Frog Horn Leg Horn was driving/running. As long as the direction was opposite from where we have been heading, that is the vehicle most folks are getting into.

Same thing is going on over on the other side of the pond(s) as well (Brexit), but some folks are in denial, just as they were & still are here.

[Bunty]

It is sad that countries like the Czech Republic care a lot (people here either support this or they dont care, but I dont know of anyone - and Im dead serious - anyone who would say this is not happening), while the country that has a huge responsibility for this due to its size and population now wants to boycott this.

The world may not have to put up with Trump for very long if this college professor's prediction is correct:  http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/%e2%80%98prediction-professor%e2%80%99-who-called-trump%e2%80%99s-big-win-also-made-another-forecast-trump-will-be-impeached/ar-AAkbsjd?li=BBnb7Kz&ocid=HPCDHP

I reported this as political and inappropriate. Posting what some liberal POS says offends me.

I don't think so, since climate change has become political.  By the way, what's the big deal?  You weren't personally attacked.  Bad weather offends me more than Trump's view on climate change, but then he changes his mind about as much as the  weather.

 I don't mind politics that can be related into weather related topics.  But personal attacks and/or name calling should not be tolerated on here.

[ValentineWeather]

It is sad that countries like the Czech Republic care a lot (people here either support this or they dont care, but I dont know of anyone - and Im dead serious - anyone who would say this is not happening), while the country that has a huge responsibility for this due to its size and population now wants to boycott this.

The world may not have to put up with Trump for very long if this college professor's prediction is correct:  http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/%e2%80%98prediction-professor%e2%80%99-who-called-trump%e2%80%99s-big-win-also-made-another-forecast-trump-will-be-impeached/ar-AAkbsjd?li=BBnb7Kz&ocid=HPCDHP

I reported this as political and inappropriate. Posting what some liberal POS says offends me.

I don't think so, since climate change has become political.  By the way, what's the big deal?  You weren't personally attacked.  Bad weather offends me more than Trump's view on climate change, but then he changes his mind about as much as the  weather.

 I don't mind politics that can be related into weather related topics.  But personal attacks and/or name calling should not be tolerated on here.

The big deal is I take it personally when you bash someone I support because of your views I disagree with. The greatest thing Trump can do is stop throwing billions of hard earned American tax dollars toward a Lie/hoax you name it. 

[Jáchym]

and spend it here instead...

http://edition.cnn.com/2016/09/06/politics/donald-trump-defense-spending-sequester/

[saratogaWX]

"Successful" people are known to tell others what they "...WANT to hear...", NOT what they "...NEED to hear..."

I'd suggest a small mod to that...

"Successful" people politicians are known to tell others what they "...WANT to hear...", NOT what they "...NEED to hear..."

and that may be what causes many of our issues -- much cognitive dissonance in the air currently.

[Scalphunter]

All it did was quote Trump.  What would be a good source for new for you?  InfoWars.com?

Nope old fashion here.  Something most folks don't have anymore.  An old Hallicrafter  Shortwave Radio.  I just tune into several  broadcasts that we use to listen to when at sea.   Several of them are  foreign station so I get an broad picture  of the happening.  I beats  your TV and internet news and the only cost is  finding tubes to keep it going.

John

[Scalphunter]

35 words an minute to  boot.  Still do  Morse here on ham set. and when not on that it the old model 28 ASR.

John

[waiukuweather]

this graphic shows how much the polar regions are warmer than normal
(which is what the models showed would happen, that the poles would warm the most)
http://models.weatherbell.com/climate/ncep_cfsr_t2m_anom.png

[WheatonRon]

CW & Morris code!

Isn't it Morse code?

[Jáchym]

-.-- . ... / .. - / .. ...

[ValentineWeather]

this graphic shows how much the polar regions are warmer than normal
(which is what the models showed would happen, that the poles would warm the most)
http://models.weatherbell.com/climate/ncep_cfsr_t2m_anom.png

Nobody is disputing its not warming it is....The earth has had 78 major changes since 2500 BC.
Wind farms and electric cars won't stop the warming or the next ice-age. 
[youtube]https://youtu.be/yegKl2nKBQI[/youtube]
http://www.longrangeweather.com/global_temperatures.htm

[waiukuweather]

that graphic is out of date
as global temperatures are now much warmer above 'normal' than what it shows
if the global temperature does not drop below 'norma' in the next 20 years, like what that graphic you posted predicts,will you eat your hat ValentineWeather?

[Jáchym]

this graphic shows how much the polar regions are warmer than normal
(which is what the models showed would happen, that the poles would warm the most)
http://models.weatherbell.com/climate/ncep_cfsr_t2m_anom.png

Nobody is disputing its not warming it is....The earth has had 78 major changes since 2500 BC.
Wind farms and electric cars won't stop the warming or the next ice-age. 
[youtube]https://youtu.be/yegKl2nKBQI[/youtube]
http://www.longrangeweather.com/global_temperatures.htm

Yeah, but we need to buy some time before Elon starts selling one-way tickets to Mars

[waiukuweather]

one issue I have with the graphic posted by ValentineWeather is it shows a very large global cool down in 1991
but I have not seen anything else like that in other data
e.g
http://climate.nasa.gov/
only shows a 0.1C decrease around that time
and not an over 1F drop like that graphic shows

[waiukuweather]

the video in this blog is very informative and well presented (but long)
http://blogs.agu.org/wildwildscience/2016/12/16/two-broadcast-meteorologists-working-separate-real-fake/

[WeatherHost]

Skips a bunch of pages....

In my boredom, I started going back through some charts I've been keeping for the last 5 years of daily highs and lows.  I started checking on records available from our local WFO; High, Low, Lowest High and Highest Low.  I went over my chart and color coded each record over the 4 complete years I have 2013, 14, 15 and 16.

I found 42 record daily lows or lowest highs and 42 record highs or highest lows.  I was not expecting to find equal counts.  Notably most of the cold numbers were in '15 and most of the warm numbers were in '16.

I didn't dig into things like how much the records were different from normal, etc. or how they were clustered together, if at all.  Many of the old records (both warm and cold) were long ago, 1940s-1960s.

Probably doesn't mean a thing, but I found it odd that the count was so equal.

[Jáchym]

the last 5 years

Probably doesn't mean a thing

In terms of climate - no, it doesn't

[Jáchym]

When doing any sort of climate analyses or drawing conclusions in terms of longterm trends we only look at stations with at least one normal period (30 years) of good quality measurements.

[Jáchym]

Yes, but the trend, how dynamic it is etc. can tell you something for at least a few upcoming decades - you are right, we cant tell much about what will be in 500 years

[waiukuweather]

Old Tele man
no one is saying the climate has not changed lots in earths past
but it has been relatively stable, globally, for the last 50,000 years
it is currently warming at a relatively fast rate (compared to how the global mean temperature has been for 1000's of years in the past)
that is the problem, the speed of warming: nature is having a hard time adapting/keeping up