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Title: Meteobridge/Weather Display barometer problem and possible solution
Post by: Gomer on May 29, 2017, 07:27:47 PM
Hopefully this will help someone out.

Here is my configuration:
Davis IP-----------> LAN
Meteobridge-------> LAN------>Davis IP
Weather Display--->LAN------>Meteobridge

I had a problem with my indoor press "freezing" and not updating my altimeter readings. In Weather Display's station type & settings, I unticked "force barometer update every minute" and Meteobridge started updating the indoor press. \:D/
Meteobridge and Weather Display is now receiving and updating Barometer readings with no problems.
Title: Re: Meteobridge/Weather Display barometer problem and possible solution
Post by: merlinwx on June 02, 2017, 04:19:07 PM
Interesting.  I have a similar setup but my problem is that every time I boot up Weather Display my reported baro drops about 50 milibars on CWOP (WD set to not send to CWOP).  I shutdown WD and the baro returns to normal. Ever seen anything like that?
Title: Re: Meteobridge/Weather Display barometer problem and possible solution
Post by: waiukuweather on June 02, 2017, 04:20:58 PM
@merlinwx
is that barometer change in WD or meteobridge or cwop ?
Title: Re: Meteobridge/Weather Display barometer problem and possible solution
Post by: Gomer on June 02, 2017, 08:11:55 PM
Merlinwx, I was experiencing similar problems. All other sensors were reporting fine. I think WD and Meteobridge are fighting for Baro updates.
I had to untick "force baro updates" everytime I restarted WD. WD does not save that setting after a restart.
Title: Re: Meteobridge/Weather Display barometer problem and possible solution
Post by: waiukuweather on June 03, 2017, 01:02:28 AM
I am not able to duplicate that setting not sticking (off) here on restart
Title: Re: Meteobridge/Weather Display barometer problem and possible solution
Post by: merlinwx on June 03, 2017, 09:24:18 AM
@merlinwx
is that barometer change in WD or meteobridge or cwop ?

The change is on CWOP.  WD and MB are in sync. 
Title: Re: Meteobridge/Weather Display barometer problem and possible solution
Post by: merlinwx on June 03, 2017, 09:31:53 AM
Merlinwx, I was experiencing similar problems. All other sensors were reporting fine. I think WD and Meteobridge are fighting for Baro updates.
I had to untick "force baro updates" everytime I restarted WD. WD does not save that setting after a restart.

Thx for the info, but I still don't understand how I am pushing a bad baro out to CWOP if I have WD comm to the internet shut off.  My goal is run WD locally (no internet connection, WLAN only) with MB pushing my console data to CWOP, WU, etc.  Is this configuration not possible?  BTW, I had the same issue with Cumulus.

Here's a screen shot of the "WD event" from CWOP QC:
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Title: Re: Meteobridge/Weather Display barometer problem and possible solution
Post by: waiukuweather on June 03, 2017, 01:59:54 PM
make sure to not have set in WD, CWOP setup, to use Altimeter baro, maybe
Title: Re: Meteobridge/Weather Display barometer problem and possible solution
Post by: merlinwx on June 04, 2017, 02:54:40 PM
WD makes the baro correction internally, no way I know of to stop that. CWOP posts what you send them (MB corrected).  CWOP function in WD is turned off but still there seems to be an interface issue between WD and MB that is causing MB to send a bad baro reading to CWOP.  Wonder why docbee hasn't weighed in on this...he's the expert.  We're just shooting in the dark.
Title: Re: Meteobridge/Weather Display barometer problem and possible solution
Post by: docbee on June 05, 2017, 01:40:45 AM
How does WD connect to Meteobridge? Is it on port 22222 where MB mimics being a WLIP daralogger?
Title: Re: Meteobridge/Weather Display barometer problem and possible solution
Post by: merlinwx on June 05, 2017, 09:50:50 AM
WD connects to MB via port 22222.
Title: Re: Meteobridge/Weather Display barometer problem and possible solution
Post by: merlinwx on June 05, 2017, 10:44:31 AM
I think I found the fix.  I unchecked "Send altimeter data" in WD CWOP setup.  All baro reports seem to be in sync now.  I guess WD and MB were conflicting at the access point as Gomer suggested.  WD saves this change after restart. 

waiukuweather, this may be what you were suggesting above?
Title: Re: Meteobridge/Weather Display barometer problem and possible solution
Post by: waiukuweather on June 05, 2017, 03:44:20 PM
yes, that is what I was suggesting
Title: Re: Meteobridge/Weather Display barometer problem and possible solution
Post by: merlinwx on June 06, 2017, 03:04:53 PM
I think I found the fix.  I unchecked "Send altimeter data" in WD CWOP setup.  All baro reports seem to be in sync now.  I guess WD and MB were conflicting at the access point as Gomer suggested.  WD saves this change after restart. 

waiukuweather, this may be what you were suggesting above?
 

 Sorry to report I spoke too soon... the original 50 millibar error is back when WD is running.  Since this is happening with both Cumulus and WD, I'm inclined to believe this is a MB interface problem.
Title: Re: Meteobridge/Weather Display barometer problem and possible solution
Post by: waiukuweather on June 06, 2017, 03:49:06 PM
is this with the baro reading on CWOP
and is that the reading provided by Meteobridge?
i.e is Meteobridge updating CWOP (and the other software are not), or?
Title: Re: Meteobridge/Weather Display barometer problem and possible solution
Post by: merlinwx on June 06, 2017, 04:06:03 PM
Whatever is going on when WD (or cumulus) is running, its forcing MB to adjust the baro reading about it 50 hpa before it sends to CWOP.  Certainly appears to be a MB interface issue.
Title: Re: Meteobridge/Weather Display barometer problem and possible solution
Post by: Gomer on June 07, 2017, 02:00:11 AM
I am currently running Meteobridge and WD with this config with no problems.

Davis--->Meteobridge--->CWOP
                   |
                 WD--->WU

Maybe WD/Cumulus is actively getting updates instead of receiving passively? Dunno, But the trick worked for me. 

Maybe it's Davis's IP logger not able to handle/receive multiple connections.
Title: Re: Meteobridge/Weather Display barometer problem and possible solution
Post by: merlinwx on June 07, 2017, 10:26:12 AM
I have a Belfryboy logger (Davis clone).  Here's my setup:

VP2 --> Belfryboy logger -->MB -->CWOP/WU       
                                           l   
                                         WD (WLAN to laptop)

Could be the logger, but I thought WD was passively receiving the logger data from MB. 

                                             
Title: Re: Meteobridge/Weather Display barometer problem and possible solution
Post by: merlinwx on June 10, 2017, 09:51:18 AM
Hey, docbee...wanna jump in here and tell us why Meteobridge doesn't interface properly with WD?
Title: Re: Meteobridge/Weather Display barometer problem and possible solution
Post by: docbee on June 14, 2017, 04:42:01 PM
Meteobridge makes use of LOOP2 data packets from the Vantage. This data gives proper station pressure, while the more widely used LOOP packets just provide sea level pressure which is very hard to be back computed to proper station pressure (as average temperatures etc are part of the computation), especially in large altitudes.

When Meteobridge hands over control of the Vantage to WD it is no longer controlling which kind of packets are requested from WD and by that only examines the LOOP packets WD requests. Therefore, results vary from Meteobridge working alone with the Vantage or in "cooperation" with WD.

Only stations on large altitudes might be impacted by this.
Title: Re: Meteobridge/Weather Display barometer problem and possible solution
Post by: waiukuweather on June 15, 2017, 12:57:29 PM
but if only meteobridge is sending data to CWOP
then why is the CWOP barometer impacted
that is the question
(and WD is able to calculate its own altimeter reading,but to do so it gets the raw readings from the davis console (only if set to do that for when its sending data to CWOP)
Title: Re: Meteobridge/Weather Display barometer problem and possible solution
Post by: docbee on June 15, 2017, 06:47:56 PM
You wont see this when Meteobridge is not forced being a slave to WD.
Title: Re: Meteobridge/Weather Display barometer problem and possible solution
Post by: Gomer on June 15, 2017, 07:46:16 PM
Would it work right, If WD requested Loop2 packets?
Title: Re: Meteobridge/Weather Display barometer problem and possible solution
Post by: waiukuweather on June 16, 2017, 07:51:10 PM
Quote
You wont see this when Meteobridge is not forced being a slave to WD.
or cumulus
so you are saying that the problem only occurs if meteobridge is providing data to WD as well as to CWOP
surely that is something you can fix (and only you)
Title: Re: Meteobridge/Weather Display barometer problem and possible solution
Post by: docbee on June 17, 2017, 04:54:48 AM
surely that is something you can fix (and only you)

...or you by just using Meteobridge  :lol:
Title: Re: Meteobridge/Weather Display barometer problem and possible solution
Post by: docbee on June 17, 2017, 08:32:07 AM
I am just working on a more proper back-calculation from Vantage SLP to station pressure, which should give better results in case LOOP2 packets are not requested by the back-packed PC program. 

Can someone with a station at high altitude please give me a remote access to his Meteobridge, so that I can test if that works better? Please send credentials to "info(at)smartbedded.com". Thanks.
Title: Re: Meteobridge/Weather Display barometer problem and possible solution
Post by: docbee on June 18, 2017, 11:37:29 AM
I just released a new version that does do better back calculation of station pressure from SLP when LOOP2 packets not available.
Title: Re: Meteobridge/Weather Display barometer problem and possible solution
Post by: merlinwx on July 13, 2017, 06:26:34 PM
I am just working on a more proper back-calculation from Vantage SLP to station pressure, which should give better results in case LOOP2 packets are not requested by the back-packed PC program. 

Can someone with a station at high altitude please give me a remote access to his Meteobridge, so that I can test if that works better? Please send credentials to "info(at)smartbedded.com". Thanks.

I'm at about 8000'; do you still need access to a high altitude station?
Title: Re: Meteobridge/Weather Display barometer problem and possible solution
Post by: docbee on July 14, 2017, 05:38:59 PM
thanks, not at the moment. When I get postings right here, situation has been resolved (at least I don't see any more threads on this after the above mentioned update).