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Weather Station Hardware => Ambient Weather and Ecowitt and other Fine Offset clones => Topic started by: tony on August 22, 2018, 06:12:54 PM
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I'm considering purchasing the WS-2902 because I'm tired of my constantly failing Acurite 5/1. Can you purchase an additional display?
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Yes you can purchase as many additional displays as you want. But be sure to only configure one to do the uploading to the Internet.
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Just a note; Ambient is coming out shortly with a WS-2000 that uses the same station, but has an upgrade HD display.
BTW - I switch from a Acurite 5-1 to a WS-2902, very happy with the switch. I have had the WS-2902 almost a year now with no issues.
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Sir_MAK. I checked into the ws-2000 and almost pulled the trigger but the the display has no battery backup so if you lose electricity it won't communicate with the sensors. so I'm going with the 2902. Thanks.
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Yea, I noticed that also. I am less concerned about getting data during a power failure than maintaining the setting and H/L values. The Acurite HD display has no batteries, but will still retain settings and values for some time during outages. It only losses the date/time.
I wanted an easer to read display and the ability to connect additional remotes to the unit. I have ordered one yesterday when it became available and it will be in next week. I already have the 2902 at my home and will be installing the 2000 at a different location. I'll post back what I find out.
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If you lose power the WS-2902A display console will turn off the LEDs but continue to communicate with the outdoor sensor array. It will keep track of rainfall and highs and lows. If you hit the button it will turn on the LEDs momentarily. BUT...it will not connect to WiFi, not because the WiFi is probably out too on a power outage but because it actually turns its WiFi off. So no Internet reporting without AC power and it doesn't keep internal logs (just has totals) so there is no data to send when power is restored. Which means your display will have highs and lows and rainfall but it will not match your Internet published data.
The WS-2000 does have internal memory and real full data logs. If you just lose Internet service but still have power then maybe the WS-2000 can send the backlog when Internet comes back.... MAYBE... I don't know.
Also just because the WS-2000 doesn't have battery doesn't mean you can't give it a battery by plugging it into a battery backup (UPS) like you would a desktop computer. Of course I then also recommend adding a UPS to your Internet modem and WiFi router. A UPS normally will only keep a desktop computer running for 10 minutes, enough to save work and safely shut down, but it will probably keep the WS-2000 display console running a very long time, hopefully long enough to endure a brief power outage.
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Maybe I should have purchased the 2000 after all.
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Well it isn't so bad that you got the WS-2902A instead of the WS-2000. The jury is still out on the WS-2000 as it is too new. Whenever the WS-2000 starts to get fame of being as great or greater than the WS-2902A then you can buy just the WS-2000 display console to augment your weather hardware. Then you can move the WS-2902A display console to another room and make it a 2nd display. Do remember to only upload using just one device.
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I canceled my order for the 2902 and ordered the 2000 which came today. So far I'm very happy with the setup. Does anyone know if the 2000 display is supposed to show if connected to WU? I am connected but there is no indication on the display. Thanks
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Mine has a WU and the Ambient Globe in the upper left-hand corner of the display. I believe this indicates a connection, but I did not see anything in the manual. It took about an hour or so before I saw new data in WU after I switch the WS-2902 display with the WS-2000.
BTW with the awnet app (iOS) I was able to put in my WeatherCloud station info and my WS-2000 is connected to WeatherCloud.
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Please share some screenshots of the WS-2000. Do a few shots to see what different things look like.
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Console the same as from WS1000 /1001/1002 - see instructions WS1001 but software new.
Total memory 16 MB - user's memory only 11 MB.
More parameters here ----> are the same weather station as HP2550_click (http://www.foshk.com/Wifi_Weather_Station/HP2550.html)
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Thank you but I didn't want to see stock photos. I want to see real photos with different display stuff that you don't see in the stock photos.
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looks quite nice but the image ,but photo is photoshopped ,edited .enlarge the wind direction arrow you will see the masking shade ,and it pointing north north westerly and display NNE . think a real photograph is needed.nevertheless it looks like a clean display that even my wife would accept being visible in the house ..
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Here's some screen shots of mine.
Dark Background
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Light Background
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Setup Screen
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awesome that clarifies that oversight.. looking at setup menu , is the firmware downloadable because i see a similarity to original ws1001 and looks from your menu , a small hack of the firmware and send data to own personal website ...just a thought ..brian
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According to the manual you need to use a memory card to download the firmware. I haven't messed with that any as it has the current version on it.
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even better news then , certainly looks to have a similarity to ws1001 under the hood . sure sooner or later a firmware update will appear and when it does its easy to find the ability to send to local server or url, time will tell..
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There is an update available on the Ambient site, but mine already has that version.
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Thank you for the pictures.
The Good
I noticed that compared to the stock photo it shows rainfall to two decimal places in the listed events section rather than one decimal place. That is something I didn't like in the stock photo at all (and the manual showed only one decimal place too). The manual shows how you can correct the yearly and monthly or weekly totals so that you can correct for whenever you put the new display into operation.
Much more details to see all at once without having to press buttons like on the WS-2902A display. I like that I can still choose units for each sensor separately. I like hpa but use English Imperial units for everything else (WS-2902A does this too).
The future predicted forcast icon is smaller. That took up too much space on the WS-2902A and I think it is a non accurate feature anyway. But I'm glad it is there just less prevalent.
The Bad
WeatherCloud does not seem supported according to the manual not mentioning it. Only Ambient Weather Network and Weather Underground shown.
UPDATE: WeatherCloud setup possible via awnet app according to Sir_MAK's comments below.
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But there is one thing missing...and maybe it is hidden in the setup menu. The WS-2902A shows the signal strength of both WiFi and the outdoor sensor array. The WS-2000 display only shows WiFi signal strength.
Is the temperature ring yellow with the dark theme? It looks white but that may be due to the photograph being overexposed and not getting the lighting right. Does the temperature ring change colors depending on temperature in the white theme?
The stock photo shows a lightning bolt above outdoor humidity. What is that about? The manual shows it too but doesn't explain what it indicates.
UPDATE: I had an old version 1.0 of the manual. Newest version 1.4 explains this as: "The lightning icon appears when then Dew Point exceeds 70 ºF, which signifies temperature and humidity conditions may be possible for lightning storms to form in the area."
Under Factory Default Mode (+ Magnification button ) then selecting About - what does it show as being the model number?
Nice that it shows the Weather Underground and Ambient Weather Network icons when configured on top left corner. I wonder if those icons get turned off if there is a reporting problem to those services?
Can someone try and connect the USB port to computer running Easy Weather software (or some other weather software) and see if it gets live data. Or you cold try connecting USB to a MeteoBridge (WeatherBridge) and see if it recognizes and reads live data.
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I'll see what questions I can answer tonight.
With the awnet app (iOS) I was able to put in my WeatherCloud station info into the WS-2000 it connected to WeatherCloud.
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According to the manual you need to use a memory card to download the firmware. (...)
And does the console have a usb port?
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But there is one thing missing...and maybe it is hidden in the setup menu. The WS-2902A shows the signal straighten of both WiFi and the outdoor sensor array. The WS-2000 display only shows WiFi signal strength.
I don't see any signal strength for any of the sensors. This maybe due to the fact it can have up to 10 sensors attached (Osprey, indoor, and 8 additional)
Is the temperature ring yellow with the dark theme? It looks white but that may be due to the photograph being overexposed and not getting the lighting right. Does the temperature ring change colors depending on temperature in the white theme?
Yes it's colored and changes. I took the photo on my phone.
The stock photo shows a lightning bolt above outdoor humidity. What is that about? The manual shows it too but doesn't explain what it indicates.
UPDATE: I had an old version 1.0 of the manual. Newest version 1.4 explains this as: "The lightning icon appears when then Dew Point exceeds 70 ºF, which signifies temperature and humidity conditions may be possible for lightning storms to form in the area."
Thanks for the info. I was wondering about that too. The manual I received was version 1.0
Under Factory Default Mode (+ Magnification button ) then selecting About - what does it show as being the model number?
WS-2000
Nice that it shows the Weather Underground and Ambient Weather Network icons when configured on top left corner. I wonder if those icons get turned off if there is a reporting problem to those services?
Yes, the icons do not show up if not connected. Not sure of specific conditions though.
Can someone try and connect the USB port to computer running Easy Weather software (or some other weather software) and see if it gets live data. Or you cold try connecting USB to a MeteoBridge (WeatherBridge) and see if it recognizes and reads live data.
I could not get my pc to recognize the display when I plugged it into a USB port. Is there a USB driver I need? I did not see anything in the Easy Weather download.
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Can someone try and connect the USB port to computer running Easy Weather software (or some other weather software) and see if it gets live data. Or you cold try connecting USB to a MeteoBridge (WeatherBridge) and see if it recognizes and reads live data.
I could not get my pc to recognize the display when I plugged it into a USB port. Is there a USB driver I need? I did not see anything in the Easy Weather download.
After connecting the console via USB to PC, you should see the station's memory as mass storage with directories. I understand that this memory is not shared?
No driver is needed. After the USB connection, the console should report automatically on the monitor as mass storage next to the C, D directory, etc.
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I'm considering purchasing the WS-2902 because I'm tired of my constantly failing Acurite 5/1. Can you purchase an additional display?
To answer the original question about adding additional 2902 displays....
I would suggest the WS-1900-C display. It is the 2902 display without the WiFi. It's only $36
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I have the 1900 as a second display with my 2000.
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Can someone try and connect the USB port to computer running Easy Weather software (or some other weather software) and see if it gets live data. Or you cold try connecting USB to a MeteoBridge (WeatherBridge) and see if it recognizes and reads live data.
I could not get my pc to recognize the display when I plugged it into a USB port. Is there a USB driver I need? I did not see anything in the Easy Weather download.
After connecting the console via USB to PC, you should see the station's memory as mass storage with directories. I understand that this memory is not shared?
No driver is needed. After the USB connection, the console should report automatically on the monitor as mass storage next to the C, D directory, etc.
Unfortunately its not showing up as a USB device or a drive so it looks like the USB port is not available for this use. Maybe a future firmware release will add this.
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tony,
This thread has evolved and turned into a great source of information regarding the WS-2000 and the differences between the WS-2902A display. Since you are the OP can you rename the subject of this thread to something like "WS-2902A display - WS-2000 display differences." I had a hard time finding it today to use as a reference. This will also help others considering the WS-2000.
Thanks!
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Galfert...there you go.
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kind of a silly question..
The extra sensor that they give you, is that meant to be used inside your house, outside somewhere, or anywhere you want?
Is that extra sensor "necessary" for all the readings to show up properly on the console, or, is it just an "added location" that you can use if you want to?
thanks!
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kind of a silly question..
The extra sensor that they give you, is that meant to be used inside your house, outside somewhere, or anywhere you want?
Is that extra sensor "necessary" for all the readings to show up properly on the console, or, is it just an "added location" that you can use if you want to?
thanks!
You can put it anywhere within range. However it shows on the display as Indoor Temp and Humidity. It also has the barometric pressure sensor in it, so yea it's needed. I initially thought is was a dumb idea, but having the sensor external from the display has several benefits. You don't get any stray heat from the display causing any inaccurate reading. Also you don't have to worry about where the display sits causing temp issues. I have my display near a furnace outlet and that would through off the readings.
I have two additional sensors that I put in my fridges. The nice thing is you can edit what the display names them. The only issue is the web/app do not allow you to edit them. They show up there as Sensor 1 and Sensor 2 and the alerts that come for them have Sensor 1 or 2 in the email. It's the only thing so far I have found that slightly irritates me. Other than that it is a great system.
I have the sensors setup to scroll;
Indoor readings
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Kitchen Fridge
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Basement Fridge
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looks like the beer might be getting a little warm in that basement fridge!
So, there are no sensors "built in" to the display console; if you want your indoor temp/humidity info, then thats where you get it from? outdoor temp/humidity etc comes from the sensor mounted on the pole outside?
And, the stations Barometer reading comes from the indoor sensor too?
thanks
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looks like the beer might be getting a little warm in that basement fridge!
So, there are no sensors "built in" to the display console; if you want your indoor temp/humidity info, then thats where you get it from? outdoor temp/humidity etc comes from the sensor mounted on the pole outside?
And, the stations Barometer reading comes from the indoor sensor too?
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Yes to all four.
Here a pix of the "indoor" sensor that comes with the WS-2000
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thanks again, that answers all my questions about the 2000!
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I'm getting annoyed with my WS-2902A display...
- Tired of the poor viewing angles.
- Even more tired of constantly having to press buttons because I can only see either wind speed or wind gust at a given moment. Same thing with rain amount and rain rate.
- forecast clouds and sun is useless and takes up too much real estate.
I really like how the WS-2000 display console packs all the information without having to press buttons. I can't wait for the WS-2000 display console to be available separately. Wonder how much longer that will be.
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the ws-2000 display is very nice; I wish I could make the fonts a bit larger, for my old eyes to see better, but, its still very legible
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Same issue with me. Looks like it's time for trifocals.
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i have trifocals, and still want the fonts larger!
I'm gonna call them shortly and ask if there is a way to do that
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WS-2000 sounds like it's the choice of geezers ha ha. I can read display pretty well with the progressive lenses in my glasses, but if I have contacts in I have to put on cheaters. Let us know what you find out!
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So, the ONLY difference between the 2902 and 2000 is the display? Is that display really worth another $70?
I'm shopping for a possible secondary station to use around my property and the Acurite Atlas seems to be continuing their tradition of poor quality so now I'm looking at the Ambient stuff.
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So, the ONLY difference between the 2902 and 2000 is the display? Is that display really worth another $70?
I'm shopping for a possible secondary station to use around my property and the Acurite Atlas seems to be continuing their tradition of poor quality so now I'm looking at the Ambient stuff.
If you don't need the display, you may look into the ws-1550-ip:
https://www.amazon.com/Ambient-Weather-WS-1550-IP-Station-Monitoring/dp/B07GSFM9JM/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1540111575&sr=8-1&keywords=ws-1550+ambient
It's like the ws-2000 (you can add temperature sensors), but costs much less because it comes without display.
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I think the WS-2000 display console is worth it. I can't wait till they sell it separately so that I can upgrade my WS-2902A. I've become a bit frustrated with the WS-2902A display console because it doesn't show as much information at one glance. It has the same information but you have to press buttons to see it all. For example, I can only see rain daily if I leave it on that setting. If I want to see rain weekly or monthly etc I have to press a button. Same is true for other information. The WS-2902A also is not viewable unless it is at the perfect angle, where the WS-2000 can be seen from different angles.
Those are the two biggest shortfalls of the WS-2902A display console in day to day use. But there are more that are minor. The WS-2000 is easier to set up because you do it directly and does not require a smartphone with the AW app. The WS-2902A does not support extra sensors. About the only thing the WS-2902A has over the WS-2000 is that with the WS-2000 you don't get to see the RF signal strength of the outdoor sensor array.
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I think the WS-2000 display console is worth it. I can't wait till they sell it separately so that I can upgrade my WS-2902A. I've become a bit frustrated with the WS-2902A display console because it doesn't show as much information at one glance. It has the same information but you have to press buttons to see it all. For example, I can only see rain daily if I leave it on that setting. If I want to see rain weekly or monthly etc I have to press a button. Same is true for other information. The WS-2902A also is not viewable unless it is at the perfect angle, where the WS-2000 can be seen from different angles.
Those are the two biggest shortfalls of the WS-2902A display console in day to day use. But there are more that are minor. The WS-2000 is easier to set up because you do it directly and does not require a smartphone with the AW app. The WS-2902A does not support extra sensors. About the only thing the WS-2902A has over the WS-2000 is that with the WS-2000 you don't get to see the RF signal strength of the outdoor sensor array.
One item of note; The WS-2000 display has an external sensor for the indoor T/H. That sensor also has the barometer in it. So if you get the display make sure you get the sensor too.
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I think the WS-2000 display console is worth it. I can't wait till they sell it separately so that I can upgrade my WS-2902A. I've become a bit frustrated with the WS-2902A display console because it doesn't show as much information at one glance. It has the same information but you have to press buttons to see it all. For example, I can only see rain daily if I leave it on that setting. If I want to see rain weekly or monthly etc I have to press a button. Same is true for other information. The WS-2902A also is not viewable unless it is at the perfect angle, where the WS-2000 can be seen from different angles.
Those are the two biggest shortfalls of the WS-2902A display console in day to day use. But there are more that are minor. The WS-2000 is easier to set up because you do it directly and does not require a smartphone with the AW app. The WS-2902A does not support extra sensors. About the only thing the WS-2902A has over the WS-2000 is that with the WS-2000 you don't get to see the RF signal strength of the outdoor sensor array.
One item of note; The WS-2000 display has an external sensor for the indoor T/H. That sensor also has the barometer in it. So if you get the display make sure you get the sensor too.
Thank you, I knew that but it is good to put this complete information out there for those other people reading this. The required model number for the external indoor barometer/temperature/humidity sensor is WH32B.
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Good info. Thanks.
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Apparently additional indoor sensors and a soil sensor are in the works for the 2000, per a reviewer on Amazon that spoke with Ambient.
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For anyone hoping to upgrade their WS-2902A to a WS-2000 display console I have some bad news. I just grabbed the following information from the Amazon Question & Answer section of the WS-2000 product listing.
Question: When will the just ws-2000 display console be available separately? i'd like to upgrade a ws-2902a and also have extra displays.
Answer: March 2019. Sorry for the delay.
Ambient Weather Seller · October 24, 2018
https://www.amazon.com/ask/questions/Tx3TDQXAVFITENQ/ref=ask_ql_ql_al_hza
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From the pics I've seem, I like the larger font of the 2902a clock but the angle issue would get irritating.
I ordered just the array Monday, but then saw I could have gotten the pack with the array and non wifi console for $5 less than separate... Doh! Any way not worth a return and reorder.
I was planning to order additional sensors, but can the additional sensors only be added if u have the wifi 2902a /2000 consoles? I will be using just and old updated to newest firmware ObserverIP. Can I even add sensors without a wifi console? How is sensor adding and naming actually handled?
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I'm not sure about the ObserverIP.
As for the displays, only the WS-2000 display will handle additional T/H sensors. It will handle up to 8.
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Yes you can add additional sensors without the display console. But the ObserverIP will need to be running version 4.4.5 or greater.
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Thanks, can you name them?
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Thanks, can you name them?
Name what? Name the additional sensor part numbers?
Currently the only additional sensor supported is the temperature/humidity sensor part number WH31 or WH31B. Realize this is different than the included WH32B that has temperature/humidity and pressure. You can only have one WH32B.
The difference between WH31 and WH31B is that the B version does not include a RCC (Radio Controlled Clock). The WS-2000 does not need a clock at all on the optional sensors. So you can use either the WH31 or the WH31B but it will be a bit less costly to get the B version. The RCC is currently only required for the WS-3000 station model for some reason. So the WS-3000 can't use the WH31B. The ObserverIP can use either the WH31 or WH31B as additional sensors. The ObserverIP requires a WS-1000-BTH as a primary indoor/humidity/pressure sensor. I don't know if the ObserverIP is compatible with the WH32B.
In summary:
WH31 - Additional Temperature and Humidity sensor with RCC (you can have up to 8 )
WH31B - Additional Temperature and Humidity sensor without RCC (you can have up to 8 )
WH32B - primary Temperature/Humidity and Pressure sensor (you can only have one that comes with WS-2000)
WS-1000-BTH - Temperature/Humidity/Pressure sensor primary for ObserverIP
* The WS-2000 and ObserverIP do not use the RCC feature of the additional WH31 sensors, so it works but that part is ignored.
* I don't know if the WH32B is a compatible replacement for the WS-1000-BTH that the ObserverIP uses as a primary.
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But where do they get named in system, like outside or living room. I read somewhere they could be named, not just "Sensor 1", "Sensor 2", Sensor 3" etc
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Oh name as in how do you label them.....got ya :)
On the WS-2000 the additional sensors get named in the console settings. Just change CHx in the Name column to be whatever label you want them to be called.
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Taken from Page 28 of the WS-2000 user manual.
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So in my case where I'm not ordering a display I'm just using the Observer IP I won't be able to name them.
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So in my case where I'm not ordering a display I'm just using the Observer IP I won't be able to name them.
Good question. I don't know if you can even see them with the ObserverIP. Even though starting with firmware 4.4.5 it supports multiple additional sensors (up to 8 ), I don't see where they would show up. I think I remember reading somewhere that they don't show up on the ObserverIP interface even though the ObserverIP is reading and sending their data to ambientweather.net. So it seems that you can't see them even though they are connected and that also means you can't calibrate them. And then to answer your question then you can't rename what isn't listed. But it is perhaps possible that you can rename then after they show up on ambientweather.net. I think I remember reading about someone doing that. Sorry I don't have additional sensors yet.
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Correct, you cannot see them on the ObserverIP local display, the only place the additional sensors show is at the ambientweather.net dashboard. And they can be renamed on the dashboard.
I have two WH31B sensors, I'm currently using one to monitor conditions in my storm shelter.
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I use one now to monitor the temperature of my l16 battery box for my off-grid solar batteries. I want another to monitor the temperature under my house where I have a duct fed into the battery box particular for winter hopefully to keep the batteries warmer in the winter as I think the temperature under the house is generally warmer than the temperature outside the house in the carport during the winter. I'll use a third one in the house for interior Temps.
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OK I did get the WS-2902-ARRAY and 2 additional WH31b sensors. Using an ObserverIP with the newest firmware, you can add additional sensors, but the sensors do not show up in IPtools. They come on line once you visit AmbientWeather.net. You see your original sensor as Indoor (in the case of the WS-2902a that would be built into the console - and the WS-2902a does not take extra sensors by itself, you must have an ObserverIP too - The WS-2000 does allow for additional sensors). But once you get all your sensors connected to the ObserverIP, they come up in AmbientWeather.net as Sensor 2 / 3 / 4 - up to 8.
BUT ... you CAN then rename them at AmbientWeather.net. And it seems to not be dependent on cookies or anything as I can see the names from my PC and in the AmbientWeather Android App. Pretty cool !!
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I know this is an older thread. If you add an additional sensor to the 2000 can you set an alert on it on ambientweather.net?
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I know this is an older thread. If you add an additional sensor to the 2000 can you set an alert on it on ambientweather.net?
Yes you can set a greater than or less than alert for each sensor, sent via SMS or email notification.