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My New Weather Computer
« on: July 19, 2014, 11:09:24 PM »
This time I wanted to build a computer just for the specific task of running all of my weather software, and there were certain design features that I wanted to take advantage of this time around.
  • Low Power Consumption - The desktop sucks power. It's currently on a UPS but it doesn't take long to drain it when the power goes out. So low power consumption is a must.
  • Small Footprint - Goes hand in hand with low power consumption. For all practical purposes, this computer just sits in a corner and never gets touched.
  • Must Have a Serial Port - The connection from the Davis console to the computer is currently through a serial connection. To keep things the same, I'd like to use the serial port data-logger that I currently own.

So this is what I've got. This is a computer designed around the Mini-ITX format. The case is roughly 2.5" high, by 8.5" x 7.5". It is designed for passive cooling, although I have two very small fans mounted near the inside top of the case (inaudible). If I went without the fans, the computer would have no moving parts at all.

The motherboard is a MITAC using a Dual Atom D2550 2x1.86Ghz w/ Hyperthreading http://www.mini-box.com/MITAC-PD12TI-D2500CCE-Mini-ITX-Motherboard. My past thought was a 320GB SATA drive, but I'm went with a 64GB solid state drive for much lower power consumption and quicker disk access. Since my data storage requirements are relatively low, 64GB is more than adequate storage for this use. The most current backup of all the weather related data (VWS/WD/WXMesg/Sebectec) shows only 2.26GB in use, and that's since 2008. This is the drive I got.

InnoDisk Solid State Drive 3ME 64GB

- High Performance MLC NAND Flash
- SATA-III (6.0 Gbps) interface
- 460 MB/s Sequential Read Max.
- 240 MB/s Sequential Write Max.
- 2.1W max power consumption
- 3 Million Hours MTBF
- Operating Temperature: 0C to 70C
- Weight 4.0 Oz.
- L=100mm, W=70mm, H=7mm

Fast read/writes and extremely low power consumption. Perfect for my use. There are some that are faster, but MTBF drops down by almost 2/3's, down to 1.2 million hours from 3 million.

Right now, about 20GB of disk space is in use by the OS and all applications. The CPU utilization is about 30-40% with about 38% of the physical memory in use. This new computer is actually doing the work that two computers were doing before.

The computer has 4GB of RAM and Windows 7 Professional installed as the OS.

The old computer was already on an American Power Conversion Back-UPS with about 34 minutes of runtime pulling 150-200 watts.  Now, it pulls 12-15 watts and has 290 minutes of runtime, not to mention the absence of heat or the total silence.

For those of you with the wheels spinning in your head, you can also build higher end computers using this form factor, that utilize Intel Core i5 and i7, or AMD Quad Core processors complete with HDMI outputs. A box like this would make a great Media Server for your home as you could tuck it out of sight (possibly mount it on the back of your flat screen) but still have a very powerful computer. Your TV becomes the monitor.

http://northgeorgiaweather.weebly.com/weather-blog/time-for-weather-equipment-upgrades-060614?
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Re: My New Weather Computer
« Reply #1 on: July 20, 2014, 05:11:11 AM »
Nice UPS numbers, Steve! And nice blog page - very informative as to the nuts & bolts of your station.

If you don't mind, what was the total cost (sans OS)?

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Re: My New Weather Computer
« Reply #2 on: July 20, 2014, 08:18:07 AM »
Cost including OS and assembly was $500

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Re: My New Weather Computer
« Reply #3 on: July 20, 2014, 08:36:00 AM »
Windows 7 Professional cost me $139 of that $500, and $20 to have them install it and make sure everything was working. So the computer itself was only $340.
If you go here, they have a little "build your own" configuration screen http://www.mini-box.com/Embedded-Systems

I think I'm going to build a media server ought of one of these form factor computers.

I just plugged it up and it worked. Moving all my weather software over was a breeze (much easier than I thought).

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Re: My New Weather Computer
« Reply #4 on: July 20, 2014, 09:03:02 AM »
Nice setup.

I did something similar in February. http://www.habeyusa.com/products/bis-6764-fanless-system-intel-i3/
I added 128GB SSD and Win 7 pro.

Its very capable, low power consumption, no noise. I think I could replace my desktop (and may) with one of these.

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edit: I should note , installation was not entirely painless.

Win 7 install in 10 min, Those SSD are fast. But I did have some driver issues, that I had to sort out. Overall I'd do it again.
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Re: My New Weather Computer
« Reply #5 on: July 20, 2014, 09:18:40 AM »
That's why I had them assemble and install everything. For the little I spent on that, it saved me hours of potential frustration. Plus, when I got it, I knew everything had to be working. I do have a driver CD with it along with the Win7 disk.

It's strange having total silence. I had an old laptop and a Dell desktop running all of this stuff before, together, they could really make some noise. Plus I was always cleaning out the big fans on the desktop. When it would start to get dusty, it would start to roar like a plane taking off. Now... absolutely total silence. Amazing.

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Re: My New Weather Computer
« Reply #6 on: July 20, 2014, 09:57:53 AM »
Thanks for the very informative post! Have been thinking of doing similar but my only problem at the moment is the legacy PCI card for my Boltek. Not sure if they make external PCI slots(?).

PS...great blog as well.
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Re: My New Weather Computer
« Reply #7 on: July 20, 2014, 10:03:11 AM »
Thanks for the very informative post! Have been thinking of doing similar but my only problem at the moment is the legacy PCI card for my Boltek. Not sure if they make external PCI slots(?).

PS...great blog as well.
This may do the trick: http://www.mini-box.com/s.nl/it.A/id.289/.f?sc=8&category=1549

And thanks!

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« Reply #8 on: July 20, 2014, 10:32:58 AM »
Nice! Thanks for the link. :grin:
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Re: My New Weather Computer
« Reply #9 on: July 20, 2014, 11:01:06 AM »
Thanks for this write up. I've been considering doing this as well. I run 2 pc's that are power hogs and would love to reduce everything into one box.

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Re: My New Weather Computer
« Reply #10 on: July 20, 2014, 11:12:13 AM »
I had one (the laptop) that was running the Sebectec IP software for two instances of one camera. The other one ran all the weather stuff (besides what I listed above, it also ran Fling to FTP to two sites and VWSaprs and Sebectec for the other camera.

I was a little worried as to whether the Dual Atom setup would work well, but so far, it's great. I can VNC in and don't notice any sluggishness at all. With plenty of memory to work with, and the SS drive, it's more than enough processing power for a weather computer.

I have an external drive attached to it for backups but it's not on the UPS. I have an scheduled script that runs around 3am every day just in case. Since it's dedicated as a weather computer (nothing else installed except Chrome, Dimension 4 (D4) time software, and the UPS software) and doesn't take up a lot of space, I'll also use Norton's Ghost to make an image of the whole setup right now, just in case.

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Re: My New Weather Computer
« Reply #11 on: July 20, 2014, 11:23:32 AM »
Very cool. Can you put a list together of what you purchased? I see there is a power brick and the case. Did you have to purchase memory and the hd?

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Re: My New Weather Computer
« Reply #12 on: July 20, 2014, 11:34:44 AM »
This is the link I used to configure what I wanted, and the two images below give you an exact idea how I did it. It does come with the case and the brick.

http://www.mini-box.com/M350-MITAC-PD12TI-D2500CCE#SYS-M350-MITAC-PD12TI-D2500CCE-configurator




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Re: My New Weather Computer
« Reply #13 on: July 20, 2014, 11:53:16 AM »
I just noticed on the image above that I had listed additional HD brackets... I did not get those. If you wanted to install an addition drive (maybe install all the weather apps to a D:/E: etc drive or something) you would need these.

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Re: My New Weather Computer
« Reply #14 on: July 23, 2014, 05:39:42 PM »
Great post.  I switched to Intel mini-itx Intel board a couple years ago running Win XP and a 64mb SSD. Same enclosure you have.  Have two of them; one for weather station and another for Boltek lightning detector running Aninoquisi 2000 software.  Both units seem to hum along seamlessly.  Have encountered few problems and fun to assemble the components.  I understand Intel is phasing out the mini-itx mother boards.

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Re: My New Weather Computer
« Reply #15 on: July 23, 2014, 08:16:04 PM »
Thanks!
I think Intel is. There will be support through 2015 for the Intel boards.

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Intel has authorized their contract manufacturer, MITAC, to continue their mini-ITX product lines and extend their life cycle to 2015.
Board will offer the same exact chip set, layouts, features, and BIOS as the DN2500CCE. Only difference is the MITAC logo on the motherboard and in BIOS screen - everything else will remain exactly the same

But plenty of other boards out there. So far, been very happy with this one. It's kind of unnerving when you don't hear anything running...  :grin:

So your Boltek board does fit in there... "Floodcaster" in an earlier post has a Boltek too and wasn't sure if it would go in.

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Re: My New Weather Computer
« Reply #16 on: July 23, 2014, 10:15:07 PM »
Great overall info, Steve. Thanks for the breakdown lists as well - very helpful. I might have to try on one of these in the future!

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Re: My New Weather Computer
« Reply #17 on: July 23, 2014, 10:33:13 PM »
My lightning enclosure is slightly bigger. Same mini-itx board though. I think I used a adapter to facilitate the Boltek PCB placement on the mother board. Been so long I can't remember that detail!  I also put little whisper fans inside each unit. Not necessary apparently but felt wouldn't hurt.

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Re: My New Weather Computer
« Reply #18 on: July 24, 2014, 06:25:21 AM »
My lightning enclosure is slightly bigger. Same mini-itx board though. I think I used a adapter to facilitate the Boltek PCB placement on the mother board. Been so long I can't remember that detail!  I also put little whisper fans inside each unit. Not necessary apparently but felt wouldn't hurt.

Ken Keyes
Ken, was this the adapter you used? http://www.mini-box.com/s.nl/it.A/id.289/.f?sc=8&category=1549
I have the two little fans too, but the only time I've ever heard them run was during boot. After that, total silence. I figured it couldn't hurt for $3.99 and was good insurance.  :-)

I am impressed with energy usage though. Those little Atom's really don't draw a lot of power. 13 watts for this computer compared to 160+ watts, hour after hour after hour, becomes a sizable chunk of electricity. I need to to a payback based on energy savings and see what my breakeven point is...  :-)

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Re: My New Weather Computer
« Reply #19 on: July 24, 2014, 10:28:22 AM »
Yes, that is the riser card I used. Allows PCB to fold over the mother board. Looking at the link, I used the M300 enclosure box for all to fit for the lightning CPU. Other CPU for weather used the slightly smaller, thinner, box.

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Re: My New Weather Computer
« Reply #20 on: August 03, 2014, 06:04:30 AM »
Well, THIS is going to be my first foray into a media server.

This is based on something even small than a Mini-ITX format like I just got. This is based on an Intel motherboard and case... and is about 4.5"x4.5"x2". TINY. It uses an i5 processor and will accept up to 16GB of ram.

The board uses the Intel HD Graphics 5000 chipset and is capable of driving Ultra-High Def 4k displays. The audio side supports 7.1 output through the HDMI out port.

http://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/nuc/nuc-kit-d54250wykh.html
http://www.mini-box.com/Intel-D54250WYKH-Haswell-i5-Next-Unit-of-Computing-NUC-Barebone#SYS-NUC-D54250WYKH-configurator
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Re: My New Weather Computer
« Reply #21 on: August 03, 2014, 08:46:11 AM »
This is how small it is...  :grin: it's the one on the right.



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« Reply #23 on: August 05, 2014, 11:46:03 PM »
I've been using a mini-box for my weather website for 6 years now. It's been running non-stop all that time. I can't remember the last time I had to reboot it. So I can attest that they are reliable machines. Mine did go through three case fans in the first 6 months. When I mentioned this to their support folks, they sent me a box of five case fans for free. Funny thing is after they did that I've only had to replace one since. I like the mini-boxes because they are completely silent. I attached a photo of it.
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Re: My New Weather Computer
« Reply #24 on: August 06, 2014, 05:56:58 AM »
I have mine restart automatically every day just because...  :-)

And yes, love the totally silent part. I didn't get the display on mine, just a single push button for on/off and that's it. I tried to keep it as simple as possible.

Looking forward to this new one too.

 

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