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Weather Station Hardware => AcuRite Weather Stations => Topic started by: iszekeres on March 15, 2018, 12:17:14 AM
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Bored tonight so I started poking around. A couple of weeks ago this was posted to the FCC site. Interesting photos of the dissassembled atlas.....
https://apps.fcc.gov/oetcf/eas/reports/ViewExhibitReport.cfm?mode=Exhibits&RequestTimeout=500&calledFromFrame=N&application_id=lw7Ouif2eSfGa%2BVMUjNnrA%3D%3D&fcc_id=RNEATLASTX (https://apps.fcc.gov/oetcf/eas/reports/ViewExhibitReport.cfm?mode=Exhibits&RequestTimeout=500&calledFromFrame=N&application_id=lw7Ouif2eSfGa%2BVMUjNnrA%3D%3D&fcc_id=RNEATLASTX)
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Nice find! Good picutes of the inside and outside of the Atlas. I also downloaded the user manual.
Thanks for posting!
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Cool nice information,,I see it has a 2 year warranty =D>, Also the test report was July '17 so this thing is way over due. ](*,)
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I hope it makes it to market soon and that the early reviews end up being positive. Acurite badly needs some good press after long delay on the Atlas and the Smarthub/Access fiasco.
We still have no authoritative information about price except what was leaked on the Amazon listings a few months ago. Maybe Acurite will run some introductory sales to encourage early adopters.
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We still have no authoritative information about price except what was leaked on the Amazon listings a few months ago. Maybe Acurite will run some introductory sales to encourage early adopters.
They gave some hints in the CES 2018 Video at about the 4:55 mark.
[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OQnLUeqbE-c[/youtube]
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Cool nice information, I see it has a 2 year warranty =D>
Be aware that's only on the outside sensor unit. All other parts like the console are still at a year.
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Good find! Thanks for posting.
How come some of the boards looked damaged in the pics?
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Good find! Thanks for posting.
How come some of the boards looked damaged in the pics?
I've noticed that in other FCC filings. My guess is the labs just rip the devices apart.
At least this one didn't use rusty tape measures. ;)
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Cool nice information, I see it has a 2 year warranty =D>
Be aware that's only on the outside sensor unit. All other parts like the console are still at a year.
That's fine I'll take it.
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Good find! Thanks for posting.
How come some of the boards looked damaged in the pics?
I've noticed that in other FCC filings. My guess is the labs just rip the devices apart.
At least this one didn't use rusty tape measures. ;)
I seen that too and that's what it looks like, what a shame a nice new units cannibalized.
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How come there is no filing for the Atlas Elite?
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How come there is no filing for the Atlas Elite?
Confidentiality. There's no point in tipping off the competition too soon.
Note in the Alas filing there is a request that some exhibits remain permanently confidential.
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How come there is no filing for the Atlas Elite?
Confidentiality. There's no point in tipping off the competition too soon.
Note in the Alas filing there is a request that some exhibits remain permanently confidential.
Or it doesn't exist. Or the paperwork was lost. Or they have no money to move forward with another new product.
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Or it doesn't exist. Or the paperwork was lost. Or they have no money to move forward with another new product.
For all of which you have no proof. :roll:
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Or it doesn't exist. Or the paperwork was lost. Or they have no money to move forward with another new product.
For all of which you have no proof. :roll:
You must have had your coffee today George, I was going to save you the trouble.....
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Did I miss the part where you had any proof that the elite is moving forward?
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If you're going to assert something, you are obliged to provide proof.
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If you're going to assert something, you are obliged to provide proof.
Confidentiality.
I was pointing out that you do not know why there is no filing for the elite, yet you answer with conviction that the filing is not posted because acurite is holding back. I was illustrating a point, George. Do you have any evidence at all that the project is moving forward?
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If you're going to assert something, you are obliged to provide proof.
Confidentiality.
I was pointing out that you do not know why there is no filing for the elite, yet you answer with conviction that the filing is not posted because acurite is holding back. I was illustrating a point, George. Do you have any evidence at all that the project is moving forward?
It's common for FCC filings to be held back from the public view for competitive reasons. There's even proof that they've requested permanent confidentiality for some exhibits in this filing. Given that "Atlas Elite" builds on the technology in the Atlas, there's little surprise that no public filing on it has been disclosed.
Your "illustration" is meaningless and is just an ignorant comment with no basis in reality. If you want to refute that, show some proof that they "have no money", "lost the paperwork", or that "it doesn't exist".
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If you're going to assert something, you are obliged to provide proof.
Confidentiality.
I was pointing out that you do not know why there is no filing for the elite, yet you answer with conviction that the filing is not posted because acurite is holding back. I was illustrating a point, George. Do you have any evidence at all that the project is moving forward?
It's common for FCC filings to be held back from the public view for competitive reasons. There's even proof that they've requested permanent confidentiality for some exhibits in this filing. Given that "Atlas Elite" builds on the technology in the Atlas, there's little surprise that no public filing on it has been disclosed.
Your "illustration" is meaningless and is just an ignorant comment with no basis in reality.
And it is just as common for projects to go belly up because companies have overextended themselves.....can you ever admit that you may be wrong or would your whole world just collapse in on itself? Did you need to move to texas because your ego outgrew nebraska?
Maybe you just need some help with social interaction George.....here is a better way to present yourself:
"why is there no posting for the elite?"
"Well, I am not sure. Sometimes companies will hold back information in order to keep a competitive advantage. Sometimes projects stall and are cancelled. I do not have any information, but I suspect acurite is focused on (rolling out the atlas first) (focusing their efforts on troubleshooting access issues) (still finalizing board revs before submission) (waiting for the pizza delivery guy to show)."
Or:
"Sometimes companies will hold back information in order to keep a competitive advantage. I do have additional information that I cannot discuss because I have signed a NDA with acurite."
Instead you do what you always do. Make declarative statements with no supporting information and then flip out when someone questions "muh knowledge".
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If you're going to assert something, you are obliged to provide proof.
Confidentiality.
I was pointing out that you do not know why there is no filing for the elite, yet you answer with conviction that the filing is not posted because acurite is holding back. I was illustrating a point, George. Do you have any evidence at all that the project is moving forward?
It's common for FCC filings to be held back from the public view for competitive reasons. There's even proof that they've requested permanent confidentiality for some exhibits in this filing. Given that "Atlas Elite" builds on the technology in the Atlas, there's little surprise that no public filing on it has been disclosed.
Your "illustration" is meaningless and is just an ignorant comment with no basis in reality.
And it is just as common for projects to go belly up because companies have overextended themselves.....can you ever admit that you may be wrong or would your whole world just collapse in on itself? Did you need to move to texas because your ego outgrew nebraska?
Maybe you just need some help with social interaction George.....here is a better way to present yourself:
"why is there no posting for the elite?"
"Well, I am not sure. Sometimes companies will hold back information in order to keep a competitive advantage. Sometimes projects stall and are cancelled. I do not have any information, but I suspect acurite is focused on (rolling out the atlas first) (focusing their efforts on troubleshooting access issues) (still finalizing board revs before submission) (waiting for the pizza delivery guy to show)."
Or:
"Sometimes companies will hold back information in order to keep a competitive advantage. I do have additional information that I cannot discuss because I have signed a NDA with acurite."
Instead you do what you always do. Make declarative statements with no supporting information and then flip out when someone questions "muh knowledge".
I don't need your guidance on anything.
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An employee posted on the support board (Rachel as I recall) that the Elite was being tested.
https://support.acurite.com/acurite/topics/amazon-have-the-weather-station-acurite-atlas?topic-reply-list[settings][filter_by]=all&topic-reply-list[settings][reply_id]=19374777#reply_19374777
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An employee posted on the support board (Rachel as I recall) that the Elite was being tested.
https://support.acurite.com/acurite/topics/amazon-have-the-weather-station-acurite-atlas?topic-reply-list[settings][filter_by]=all&topic-reply-list[settings][reply_id]=19374777#reply_19374777
See George, learn from the group.....that wasn't so hard!
Thanks Dr. K.
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An employee posted on the support board (Rachel as I recall) that the Elite was being tested.
https://support.acurite.com/acurite/topics/amazon-have-the-weather-station-acurite-atlas?topic-reply-list[settings][filter_by]=all&topic-reply-list[settings][reply_id]=19374777#reply_19374777
See George, learn from the group.....that wasn't so hard!
Thanks Dr. K.
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should they not be using hall effect sensors instead of reed switches?
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should they not be using hall effect sensors instead of reed switches?
I'm not sure what advantage there might be for a hall effect sensor on the rain buckets. Reed switches are obviously cheaper.
As for the anemometer, I suspect it might be a hall effect sensor rather than a reed switch, but I can't really tell from the pictures.
I'm also unclear what those two rods are doing in that "rain cup". If I remember right, the rain would first flow against those rods completing a circuit, then flow down through the hole into the tipping buckets.
I'm not sure what that circuit is doing. Maybe it would only count bucket tips if there is actual rain so wind rocking is ignored? But if that was the case, I'm still registering rain tips when taking the unit up-and-down. ???
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I'm also unclear what those two rods are doing in that "rain cup". If I remember right, the rain would first flow against those rods completing a circuit, then flow down through the hole into the tipping buckets.
I'm not sure what that circuit is doing. Maybe it would only count bucket tips if there is actual rain so wind rocking is ignored? But if that was the case, I'm still registering rain tips when taking the unit up-and-down. ???
Update: I just checked my unit... it doesn't seem to have those rods or any sort of attached circuitry in that rain cup.
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Davis has problems with reed switch's sometimes cracking
(probably from getting hot then cold every day will stress the glass and ends etc..i.e the metal will be expanding and shrinking every day)
so there is problems with reed switches, even for rain gauges
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I'm also unclear what those two rods are doing in that "rain cup". If I remember right, the rain would first flow against those rods completing a circuit, then flow down through the hole into the tipping buckets.
I'm not sure what that circuit is doing. Maybe it would only count bucket tips if there is actual rain so wind rocking is ignored? But if that was the case, I'm still registering rain tips when taking the unit up-and-down. ???
Update: I just checked my unit... it doesn't seem to have those rods or any sort of attached circuitry in that rain cup.
I was wondering about them as well, and thought much the same...that it would complete a circuit when water was present, but the rods seem larger than I would guess, and freshwater is not super conductive.......the pads on the "water" board seem rather large, maybe some sort of heating to melt anything in the bottom of the cup? I did not look very close at the circuit layout and do not remember if the two legs completed anything or were just open ended.....
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As I said in another thread recently, I'm tired of people stabbing the Report button. By extension, I'm also tired of forum members poking sticks at other members, causing them to want to stab the Report button.
There is plenty of blame to go around on at least 2 sides in this thread.
If you are a poker, please stop.
If you are a pokee, find you sensitivity knob and turn it down by half (or more).
If you've been here long enough to remember a certain annoying young lad a few years ago, you know why my patience is thin. Thin enough that I'm willing to stab the thread lock or banned button. The vast majority of us get along just fine here. One of the reasons I visit wxforum is to get away from the incivility rampant in our world currently.
I had to rewrite this a couple of times to get it to the level of civility I would post. Y'all please do the same.
If you don't.... well, don't poke the adnim bear.
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Regarding rain detection:
It wasn't so long ago that Hall devices would have been out of the question because their current draw would quickly run batteries down. These days there are some pretty neat devices available which can run with microamp level current drain.
One advantage these have over reed switches is that there is no fragile glass-to-metal seal to be stressed with every thermal cycle, and no moving parts inside. Solid state, rugged, but yes they cost more than reed switches.
As I look at the pics in the filing, I see some interesting clues
There is a side view pic of the tipping buckets. It appears to have a familiar arm and magnet, as you would need with a reed switch rain detector. There is a reed switch shown in the photos, and , other than the wind direction encoder, nothing I could identify as a Hall device.
The main board has a two pin connector labelled "rain". A small board has a two pin connector labelled "water", same as on the little connector board that has pads that press against the metal rods in the rain gauge.
It is as if, in this one device at least, rain counts are done with a reed switch, but counts are only enabled by the presence of water.
It will be interesting to see the final hardware.
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It will be interesting to see the final hardware.
Yep. The photos are really making me want to do a deeper tear-down.
I'm also interested to see how far you can disassemble the unit without tools. The temp/humidity sensor seems like it can be easily replaced by hand down to a plastic module. I'm not so sure about the aspiration fan motor, though.
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It will be interesting to see the final hardware.
Yep. The photos are really making me want to do a deeper tear-down.
I'm also interested to see how far you can disassemble the unit without tools. The temp/humidity sensor seems like it can be easily replaced by hand down to a plastic module. I'm not so sure about the aspiration fan motor, though.
Just don't let anyone from the FCC remove the boards... :lol:
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Looks like the fan should be easily serviceable.