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Title: With updates come permission popups (Win 10)
Post by: Mark / Ohio on June 18, 2017, 12:08:58 AM
Issue I have never been able to solve for some reason.  Windows 10 on Aspire One netbook, UAC turned off in the registry, also set to never notify in the control panel.  I have Weather display installed in c:\wdisplay  (rather then in program files).

But still every time I upgrade to the latest version for the better of the next day I get intermittent popups asking permission to run the various secondary executables.  It's not my AV, it is windows and even if I uncheck to ask for permission the next update I have to do it all over again for any executable files that Bryan has made changes to in the update.

Worst part about it is that it stalls the whole program while it waits for permission to continue the secondary cron job.   #-o

Is there something I'm still missing in the setup?  I would upgrade weather display more often if I did not have to babysit it for the next day to make sure it stayed running thanks to Win 10. :roll:
Title: Re: With updates come permission popups (Win 10)
Post by: Bashy on June 18, 2017, 01:06:21 AM
This is not really a WD issue (i dont think) its 1 of Win 10 traits, in future, write down each one as it
pops up and then you will know which to open manually the next time you update, if you open manually
then you dont have to wait til it does it later on, the email one is the one that always got me, its one
you forget about lol
Title: Re: With updates come permission popups (Win 10)
Post by: waiukuweather on June 18, 2017, 02:23:51 AM
@ Mark, when was the last time you updated?
(i.e the longer the time period the more likely some of the cron programs have changed )
Title: Re: With updates come permission popups (Win 10)
Post by: Bashy on June 18, 2017, 03:04:01 AM
Brian, it appears to happen on each update for me, whether it being a month interval or a couple of days
I always have to allow WD, WU, email and i think one more, dont know if that helps, i just put it down to Win 10
Title: Re: With updates come permission popups (Win 10)
Post by: Mark / Ohio on June 18, 2017, 10:55:33 AM
Thanks for the replies :)

Last time it was about a year since I had updated which is longer than I usually let it go.  I'm able to white list it pretty well in my AV to leave it alone which also reduces cpu usage when every file as it is executed is not scanned for something harmful.  I was hoping maybe buried deep in Win 10 there was also a way to do the same that maybe I was not aware of.  :)


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Title: Re: With updates come permission popups (Win 10)
Post by: W3DRM on June 18, 2017, 04:49:02 PM
Hi Mark! I am also running Win10 and have never had the problems you are describing after updating WD versions. I'm running Win10 Pro on an HP laptop. After an update, WD and all of its background processes just run and Win10 doesn't complain at all. I must be doing something right, for a change.  :lol:
Title: Re: With updates come permission popups (Win 10)
Post by: Mark / Ohio on June 18, 2017, 10:09:45 PM
... I must be doing something right, for a change.  :lol:

Hi Don!

After all the battles you've had with hard drives, etc., you were over due for a break in the chain of problems.   

I figured it must be a limited number of people having the issue.  Several times I searched here and over at Weather Watch for some ideas and never found much chatter about it.  So  I wonder what the difference could be?  I'm not running the pro version.  This is still my original netbook that originally came with XP.  Kind of wish I had stayed with Win 7 on it.  It seemed a lot more friendly to use for the utilitarian purpose of a dedicated weather computer.



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Title: Re: With updates come permission popups (Win 10)
Post by: Bashy on June 19, 2017, 01:06:47 AM
I have a wee feeling, after some extensive searches whilst trying to ignore the UAC results cause its not that
This might be it, Windows Smart Screen  (http://mywindowshub.com/how-to-stop-windows-10-from-asking-for-administrator-rights-to-run-unknown-apps/)

Title: Re: With updates come permission popups (Win 10)
Post by: Mark / Ohio on June 19, 2017, 01:25:12 AM
Just took a look as I forgot about that option but looks like I already had it turned off.


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Title: Re: With updates come permission popups (Win 10)
Post by: Bashy on June 19, 2017, 01:27:41 AM
Ha ha, ya beat me too it, i posted it so i didnt forget before i checked my own weather PC out in the conservatory, just got back in
Big mistake mind, I decided to reboot cause it said there was an update, looks like its the "Big One" :/
Title: Re: With updates come permission popups (Win 10)
Post by: Bashy on June 19, 2017, 01:30:42 AM
PS, I even have UAC turned off too
Title: Re: With updates come permission popups (Win 10)
Post by: Bashy on June 19, 2017, 01:35:03 AM
What about setting each to run as admin? just throwing it out there, i would check but, windows update.............................
Title: Re: With updates come permission popups (Win 10)
Post by: Bashy on June 19, 2017, 01:38:48 AM
Think i got it....... Windows Attachment Manager

Start the Internet Properties window.
Windows 7
Click Start, click All Programs, and then open the Accessories folder.
Click Run.
Type inetcpl.cpl, and then click OK.
Windows 8
From the Start screen, type inetcpl.cpl, and then press Enter.
In the Internet Properties window, click the Security tab, click the Ineternet zone (globe icon), and then click the Custom level button.
In the Security Settings window, scroll down to Downloads > File download.
Click to select Enable.
Scroll down the list further to Miscellaneous > Launching applications and unsafe files.
Click to select Enable
Click OK
Title: Re: With updates come permission popups (Win 10)
Post by: Bashy on June 19, 2017, 01:45:29 AM
Just to add, just tested on my lappy with a new install of WD and no prompts were asked for
Also cliking on any of the sub programs also did not ask for permission either :)
Title: Re: With updates come permission popups (Win 10)
Post by: W3DRM on June 19, 2017, 12:43:58 PM
I have a wee feeling, after some extensive searches whilst trying to ignore the UAC results cause its not that
This might be it, Windows Smart Screen  (http://mywindowshub.com/how-to-stop-windows-10-from-asking-for-administrator-rights-to-run-unknown-apps/)

Rather than turning-off the feature, is there any way to add a program of known safe programs to a list so you don't have to defeat the security settings? Microsoft must have some kind of a list programs and it would be nice to be able to simply add WD and others to that list as needed.
Title: Re: With updates come permission popups (Win 10)
Post by: Bashy on June 20, 2017, 01:05:36 AM
Quote
There's really no need for an exception list since you could either unblock the file, or allow it "Run anyway" when prompted by SmartScreen. Afterwards, it should run without having to do this again

But it wasnt the smartscreen anyway, it was the file downloads  under internet settings

Scroll down the list further to Miscellaneous > Launching applications and unsafe files.

I changed the post to

Click to select Enable

Title: Re: With updates come permission popups (Win 10)
Post by: Mark / Ohio on June 20, 2017, 01:19:59 AM
Thanks!  I'll check that out and see how it goes in the next couple of days.   8-)

We had some severe weather today and while all was running I did not want to take a chance of irritating anything.   ;)
Title: Re: With updates come permission popups (Win 10)
Post by: Bashy on June 20, 2017, 01:21:52 AM
Ha, no probs, i can say it works ok for me, its just the last part cause downloads is already working ok, evidently :D
Title: Re: With updates come permission popups (Win 10)
Post by: Mark / Ohio on June 21, 2017, 08:39:19 PM
Well 24 hours later with new update installed and so far so good.   8-)  I never gave thought to a setting in the in the internet settings but in hindsight the programs asking permission I think were all ones that either uploaded or downloaded from the net including sending emails.  I suppose one could go through and add them to the trusted list but since all that computer does is weather data work I'm not going to worry about it long as it remains stable and running.   UU
Title: Re: With updates come permission popups (Win 10)
Post by: jgillett on July 06, 2017, 08:40:11 PM
But it wasnt the smartscreen anyway, it was the file downloads  under internet settings

Scroll down the list further to Miscellaneous > Launching applications and unsafe files.

I changed the post to

Click to select Enable
Bashy, Brian sent me to this post specifically for a problem I've always had with the .zip updates; i.e., the list of WD apps trying to start up and needing a response to the 'allow' message. However, this seems to be for W10 - I'm running W7 Pro. Can you point to something in there I can set to get rid of those messages? See also https://www.weather-watch.com/smf/index.php/topic,65338.msg524690.html#msg524690.

Thank you.
Title: Re: With updates come permission popups (Win 10)
Post by: dupreezd on July 06, 2017, 09:54:08 PM
jgillett, I use this method to let certain program bypass Microsoft UAC. This might work for W10 as well.

http://www.techgainer.com/disable-uac-prompts-specific-programs-windows/ (http://www.techgainer.com/disable-uac-prompts-specific-programs-windows/)
Title: Re: With updates come permission popups (Win 10)
Post by: Bashy on July 07, 2017, 12:35:38 AM
Hi jgillett
This is the setting needed to sort out...

Think i got it....... Windows Attachment Manager

Start the Internet Properties window.
Windows 7
Click Start, click All Programs, and then open the Accessories folder.
Click Run.
Type inetcpl.cpl, and then click OK.
Windows 8
From the Start screen, type inetcpl.cpl, and then press Enter.
In the Internet Properties window, click the Security tab, click the Ineternet zone (globe icon), and then click the Custom level button.
In the Security Settings window, scroll down to Downloads > File download.
Click to select Enable.
Scroll down the list further to Miscellaneous > Launching applications and unsafe files.
Click to select Enable
Click OK
Title: Re: With updates come permission popups (Win 10)
Post by: jgillett on July 07, 2017, 02:08:49 AM
In the Security Settings window, scroll down to Downloads > File download.
Click to select Enable.
Scroll down the list further to Miscellaneous > Launching applications and unsafe files.
Click to select Enable
Both of my settings were already as shown above. I changed the security level from medium-low to low but still got the usual message shown below for two files.

Have I missed something else?

Thank you to all.
Title: Re: With updates come permission popups (Win 10)
Post by: Bashy on July 07, 2017, 02:36:26 AM
no, that issue is deffo related to

Miscellaneous > Launching applications and unsafe files.
Title: Re: With updates come permission popups (Win 10)
Post by: jgillett on July 07, 2017, 01:03:32 PM
Interesting it's not working here.

Thanks for your time.
Title: Re: With updates come permission popups (Win 10)
Post by: Bashy on July 07, 2017, 01:21:16 PM
Very strange, reread this whole thread, I am sure I went through a few things, perhaps its a combination of all of them, so make sure you've done them all, I have i it's deffo resolved for me.....
Title: Re: With updates come permission popups (Win 10)
Post by: dupreezd on July 07, 2017, 02:43:51 PM
Have you looked in the Event Viewer, Security and Application logs? There is will tell you which program .exe or dll is causing it. You might not 'allowing' the right or all the required ones.
Title: Re: With updates come permission popups (Win 10)
Post by: Bashy on July 08, 2017, 01:59:08 AM
Hi dupreezd

What it is, when you update WD, there are lots of little programs within, some of these programs need permission to run
The problem arises sometime after you have said ok to give permission to WD to run, for example,

if you only have WD send an email when the station has met the criteria e.g. windspeed surpassed 30mph,
well, it could be hours or days before WD needs to send this email, at which point WD needs to use the "emailcron"
program and that is one that needs the permssion to run, so, you can imagine, this could be a problem if you
are on holdiay, no where near the PC for x amount of time and so on.

I might be wrong but i am fairly sure one of the little programs is important, and data loss occurs if its not allowed to run
oh yeah, theres a few, Awekas and WU (that i use), now, lets say the you updated and started WD giving permission to run and then go
to make a coffee and think nothing more about the weather PC cause you got sidetracked, well, theres a loss of data to
WU and awekas, myqsl wont update, bloomsky wont update, emial reports and alerts are not getting sent and so on because
even thoug you gave these little programs permissions before, you didnt think they would need them again but updating WD
as restarted that all over again.

it took me some internet searching to finally track down which setting in windows will prevent this permissions popup and
it turned out to be the internet downloads one.
Title: Re: With updates come permission popups (Win 10)
Post by: Bashy on July 08, 2017, 02:17:36 AM
Hi jgillett

Just realised, you said windows 7 not 10, i also thought that you may have already turned off or bypassed the UAC?

Try

Fire up the Control Panel
Select "Internet Options"
Security
Custom Level
Under the "Miscellaneous" branch
Find "Launching applications and unsafe files"
Set it to "Enable (not secure)"
Save your way out of there.

Now the security warnings are gone. However, Internet Explorer will complain every time you open it by displaying an error page with a yellow information bar.

To get rid of it:

Run "gpedit.msc"
Under "Computer Configuration"
Select "Administrative Templates"
"Windows Components"
"Internet Explorer"
Change "Turn off the Security Settings Check feature" to "Enabled"
That should stop the annoying error messages.
Title: Re: With updates come permission popups (Win 10)
Post by: jgillett on July 08, 2017, 12:56:27 PM
Bashy,

Woke up this morning to find even more errors, mainly on my home page, but it seems to be leeching out. Main data is not being updated properly. clientrawrealtimeftp is flashing every 5 seconds but I think that's a fib. ftpupd is not showing in the tray. Tried to nudge it with a double click and got the error shown below. I'm the admin so that shouldn't be happening.

Made your first change under "Try" below and saved it. I never use IE but did your "To get rid of it" item anyway.

It looks like something is rapidly eating away at settings and files on this system (W7 Pro x64 - all MS updates applied as they come in). Malware and virus scans are clean. Malwarebytes is running but /wdisplay/ is an exclusion.

My banner below is showing correct data and is being updated. Different app, of course, so maybe problems are solely in /wdisplay/?

Care to go offline on this if you have the time?

Thank you.

John
Title: Re: With updates come permission popups (Win 10)
Post by: Bashy on July 08, 2017, 01:03:09 PM
If you cannot get access, then try right click, propertise on the folder, security tab
then click edit to change permissions, then you will see your username, make sure all boxes are ticked, then click ok.

Also, on the application you are having issues with,  right click, choose compatibility tab
and choose run as administrator at the bottom, then click ok (do it when program closed)

Title: Re: With updates come permission popups (Win 10)
Post by: jgillett on July 08, 2017, 01:10:43 PM
First item brings 'You do not have permission to view or edit this object's permission settings'.

Second item, I did have it set to run as admin but that is now unticked and I can't change it because of the above.

Thanks.
Title: Re: With updates come permission popups (Win 10)
Post by: Bashy on July 08, 2017, 01:15:55 PM
Are you admistrator?
Title: Re: With updates come permission popups (Win 10)
Post by: jgillett on July 08, 2017, 01:19:33 PM
Yes. Had already double-checked that. "John, Administrator, Password protected", although I don't remember setting a password on this system and am not asked for one on a system restart.
Title: Re: With updates come permission popups (Win 10)
Post by: Bashy on July 08, 2017, 01:23:43 PM
Not having a password can sometimes cause security issues, and you can get around not having to put  one in on startup, this you may have done a while back but forgot? Not having the pc in front of me makes it very hard to resolve issues but I think I am about at my limit.

You might be in your best interest to nip on to Tom's Hardware site, join up and ask on there, they are brill!
Title: Re: With updates come permission popups (Win 10)
Post by: Bashy on July 08, 2017, 01:24:54 PM
Here ya go http://www.tomshardware.co.uk
Title: Re: With updates come permission popups (Win 10)
Post by: jgillett on July 08, 2017, 01:26:05 PM
Ah - was just about to ask.

Your time is most appreciated!
Title: Re: With updates come permission popups (Win 10)
Post by: Bashy on July 08, 2017, 01:27:00 PM
No probs, sorry I couldn't resolve it, but to save tooin and frowing, that site will sort you out..
Title: Re: With updates come permission popups (Win 10)
Post by: jgillett on July 08, 2017, 09:04:53 PM
Bashy,

Got it :!: =D> \:D/  It took a full restore of /wdisplay/ from a backup adjusting the selected backup date to make sure the previous WD version and all associated files were grabbed. There were also some WD settings that had been messed up. Interesting that all the failures started appearing immediately on the failure of a WD update. Not pointing at WD but something got turned loose inside that directory. More and more things were going bad in real time.

Thanks again.
Title: Re: With updates come permission popups (Win 10)
Post by: Bashy on July 08, 2017, 11:41:28 PM
Thats great, glad ya got it sorted :)