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Title: WeatherLink 6.0.3 - Internet Settings Grayed Out
Post by: shakasha on November 06, 2017, 08:32:07 AM
Running a new install WeatherLink 6.0.3 on Windows 10 machine. I'm downloading data from WeatherLink.com and there are several things I'm trying to accomplish yet most of the SetUp features are grayed out. Internet Settings is one of them, but also the Set Archive Interval is grayed out.

Background:

We have a Davis Pro 2 Plus uploading to WeatherLink.com every five minutes via Vantage Connect.

WeatherLink.com uploads to Weather Underground every 15 minutes.

Right now my WL software downloads the data every hour from WeatherLink.com and has the 5 minute data that I'd like to present on Weather Underground.

I have the WU module installed and can manually Upload Archived Observations to Weather Underground and it updates the archives there (going from 15 minute increments to 5).

I have my WeatherLink software configured to automatically upload the data hourly, but it doesn't do it on its own. I have to manually upload the archives. I'm not sure what the problem is as the "Test" works and the manual uploading of archives works.

I'd also like to change the Archive Interval in the WeatherLink software to 5 minutes instead of waiting an hour between times it downloads from WeatherLink.com, but the SetUp link is grayed out.

Is this supposed to be like this? Any ideas?

Thanks!

Title: Re: WeatherLink 6.0.3 - Internet Settings Grayed Out
Post by: johnd on November 06, 2017, 11:38:46 AM
The Archive Interval doesn't really have any meaning on an offline (wrt the logger) system that's just downloading data from wl.com and so is greyed out. AI refers to the console/logger setting of the period between consecutive records. Since an offline system has no direct connection to any logger, the AI can't be changed. To put it another way, the AI is set in the system that's doing the uploads to wl.com (or, for a Connect, it's the plan interval) and once the archive data is uploaded then the AI is effectively unchangeable.
Title: Re: WeatherLink 6.0.3 - Internet Settings Grayed Out
Post by: dalecoy on November 06, 2017, 11:46:24 AM
Is this your system that does not have a console?  Just the Vantage Connect?

Title: Re: WeatherLink 6.0.3 - Internet Settings Grayed Out
Post by: shakasha on November 06, 2017, 11:49:09 AM
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To put it another way, the AI is set in the system that's doing the uploads to wl.com (or, for a Connect, it's the plan interval) and once the archive data is uploaded then the AI is effectively unchangeable.
Ok we have the 5 minute upload plan with Vantage Connect, and the ISS does send data every five minutes. If I look at the WeatherLink.com page I see updates every five minutes, so that is working fine.

Is there a way to have my WeatherLink 6.0.3 software on my PC download the data automatically more often than once an hour? I have a Strip Chart showing, and it updates every hour. I'd love to get that data every five minutes.
Title: Re: WeatherLink 6.0.3 - Internet Settings Grayed Out
Post by: shakasha on November 06, 2017, 11:50:01 AM
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Is this your system that does not have a console?  Just the Vantage Connect?
Yes, we have no console, just the Vantage Connect.
Title: Re: WeatherLink 6.0.3 - Internet Settings Grayed Out
Post by: johnd on November 06, 2017, 12:01:03 PM
Is there a way to have my WeatherLink 6.0.3 software on my PC download the data automatically more often than once an hour? I have a Strip Chart showing, and it updates every hour. I'd love to get that data every five minutes.

You need to familiarise yourself with the Internet Settings option on the Setup menu.
Title: Re: WeatherLink 6.0.3 - Internet Settings Grayed Out
Post by: shakasha on November 06, 2017, 12:02:22 PM
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You need to familiarise yourself with the Internet Settings option on the Setup menu.
It's grayed out. I can't get to it.

Title: Re: WeatherLink 6.0.3 - Internet Settings Grayed Out
Post by: johnd on November 06, 2017, 12:12:20 PM
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You need to familiarise yourself with the Internet Settings option on the Setup menu.
It's grayed out. I can't get to it.

Ah, I'd forgotten that. In that case, no other option I'm afraid, other than writing your own program to download from wl.com. We've done that with our Prowlar software.
Title: Re: WeatherLink 6.0.3 - Internet Settings Grayed Out
Post by: shakasha on November 06, 2017, 12:23:43 PM
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Ah, I'd forgotten that. In that case, no other option I'm afraid, other than writing your own program to download from wl.com. We've done that with our Prowlar software.
The XML data WeatherLink.com provides would be very easy to work with, but it does not give all the data.

The WeatherLink software gets all the data once an hour with the 5 minute readings, and Weather Unground gets it all with 15 minute readings. So if a 30 mph gust happens at 10:07 am, the WeatherLink software will get the data at 11:00 am and show the gust at 10:10 am. Weather Underground will get the data at 10:15 am (or so as it varies between 15 and 25 minutes), and it will show the gust as happening when the data gets in, let's say 10:15 am. I prefer to be as accurate as possible to the exact time, and we are paying for 5 minute uploads with the Vantage Connect, so it's frustrating.

If I could make the WeatherLink.com page responsive, or build my own responsive page I'd do it. But again, the XML data from WL.com is missing important data, like wind gusts.

Grrrrrr...
Title: Re: WeatherLink 6.0.3 - Internet Settings Grayed Out
Post by: johnd on November 06, 2017, 12:52:28 PM
The XML data WeatherLink.com provides would be very easy to work with, but it does not give all the data.

Just for clarity, our interest is in the archive data - for longer-term reporting - not the current conditions, so we download the binary archive packets (ie as WL does) and don't bother with the XML.

It's a funny thing, you think weather data is straightforward but in practice there are many different individual use-cases and it's genuinely difficult to design a system to suit every different need. Customisable real-time screens for inserting into your own web pages don't seem to be a priority for Davis at present. And certainly it's frustrating when your own particular use-case isn't well-served.
Title: Re: WeatherLink 6.0.3 - Internet Settings Grayed Out
Post by: shakasha on November 06, 2017, 01:03:27 PM
Here's the reality that I am experiencing:

We are paying for 5 minute uploads to WeatherLink.com using Vantage Connect as it was the most solid solution for our environment. We bought the Davis Pro 2 Plus, and the Vantage Connect excited about have the best weather station in the area. I have a logger and WeatherLinkIP at home on my own personal Vantage Vue which is basically realtime data on Weather Underground.

I was not thrilled with a 5 minute delay, but figured that was still good enough. If we get a gust during a thunderstorm, many locals want to see how strong it was and look to weather stations for that data.

First disappointment was that WeatherLink.com only sends data to Weather Underground every 15 minutes. Now that is too long for me. Yes we can iFrame the WeatherLink.com Summary page into our site, which is what we'll have to do. But that page is a fixed 760 pixel wide table format that looks like it was built 10 to 15 years ago. (Do they not have a developer that can create a responsive layout??)

So my work around:

I'm looking at Meteotemplate which has nice features. If I could get my WeatherLink 6.0.3 software to update every five minutes from WL.com, and then upload to WeatherUnderground every five minutes, I could pull that data (wind gusts and all) into a Meteotemplate design and layout which is "mostly" responsive. Since I can edit the Meteotemplate code, I could probably built a modern beautiful responsive weather page using my data that I am paying for, and present it promptly in five minute readings. That would be acceptable to me.

But...

My WeatherLink software appears to not be able to download every five minutes from WL.com, and it is also not automatically uploading to Weather Underground.

If WL.com would add the wind gust data into the XML feed, I could work with that. But I suppose they are holding onto my weather data so people will have to look at their old out-of-date looking Summary page if they want to see it. To me that page says, "We here at WeatherLink.com do not have the resources to create an attractive responsive web page, so we give you this year 2000 styled table layout."  :roll:
Title: Re: WeatherLink 6.0.3 - Internet Settings Grayed Out
Post by: shakasha on November 06, 2017, 01:12:38 PM
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Customisable real-time screens for inserting into your own web pages don't seem to be a priority for Davis at present. And certainly it's frustrating when your own particular use-case isn't well-served.
Having the meteobridge and WeatherLinkIP is a good solution for realtime data on Weather Underground. And I am grateful for the Vantage Connect and know there is a need for that. 5 minute data uploads is workable.

My frustration is with WeatherLink.com only uploading every 15 minutes to Weather Underground, NOT providing wind gust data in their XML feed, and not having any kind of modern Summary page that someone might be proud to show in their website.

All three of those issues could be easily remedied. Especially that latter.

I'll make a trade with WL.com, I'll build a few nice modern web pages using the same data already put into the Summary page so that WeatherLink paying customers will have something they can show in their sites. Of course keeping the WeatherLink branding, but would create something that is attractive. And what I get is a responsive page or script that I can put in my website so everyone can enjoy our weather.

Title: Re: WeatherLink 6.0.3 - Internet Settings Grayed Out
Post by: dalecoy on November 06, 2017, 01:15:59 PM
One other way of looking at this is - although Vantage Connect is very useful, there would be some big advantages if you also had a console with a USB logger.

I know that's not satisfying, and it might be difficult, but it would "solve" your needs.  You could even do "rapid fire" to WU.
Title: Re: WeatherLink 6.0.3 - Internet Settings Grayed Out
Post by: shakasha on November 06, 2017, 01:36:16 PM
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although Vantage Connect is very useful, there would be some big advantages if you also had a console with a USB logger.
Absolutely. I love my home system.

This site is my client's location, it is a 6 floor vacation condo rental building. Even though the wifi is accessible from the roof, we'd have to put the console and logger in a rental unit. Our experience even with just the wifi routers is that we are constantly having to reset them or reconfigure them. People just won't leave them alone. And the wifi is constantly being interrupted, and a few bandwidth greedy visitors can hog up the entire buildings internet. So I researched and suggested the Vantage Connect to my client which should even work during power outages which are not uncommon around here. I explained to him that a 5 minute upload time would be sufficient.

I didn't realize until we installed it what limitations we'd be running into. I am used to my meteobridge - WeatherLinkIP setup. It's a piece of cake to make the Weather Underground widgets responsive.

Title: Re: WeatherLink 6.0.3 - Internet Settings Grayed Out
Post by: dalecoy on November 06, 2017, 02:06:00 PM
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although Vantage Connect is very useful, there would be some big advantages if you also had a console with a USB logger.
Absolutely. I love my home system.

This site is my client's location, it is a 6 floor vacation condo rental building.

There are almost always building spaces that are not accessible to "the public".  Utility areas, entry areas, etc.  Common areas with false (drop) ceilings.  Locked closets for telephone, cable TV, Master electrical entrance, etc. 
Title: Re: WeatherLink 6.0.3 - Internet Settings Grayed Out
Post by: shakasha on November 06, 2017, 02:19:58 PM
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There are almost always building spaces that are not accessible to "the public".  Utility areas, entry areas, etc.  Common areas with false (drop) ceilings.  Locked closets for telephone, cable TV, Master electrical entrance, etc. 
In hindsight I may have discussed that further. I expect the cellular will still be more consistent, especially during thunderstorm season or during tropical storms/hurricanes, etc. Power was out for over a week at the condos after Irma, and internet took several weeks to get back. We had cellular connections though.

I'm sure the 15 minute interval will be good enough for our needs. I'm the IT and web developer, so I'm the one having a problem. I want to provide the best most up-to-date weather on the beach. Even at 15 minute readings we will be, but I want to take advantage of our 5 minute upload.

As far as WeatherLink 6.0.3 having the Internet Settings grayed out, I may reinstall it and see if it comes up. It could be that having a logger is a prerequisite. I thought there was a way to upload data to a web template and it appears the Internet Settings is where that would be.

I'm not giving up, there "has" to be a way...LOL
Title: Re: WeatherLink 6.0.3 - Internet Settings Grayed Out
Post by: dalecoy on November 06, 2017, 02:29:04 PM
I expect the cellular will still be more consistent, especially during thunderstorm season or during tropical storms/hurricanes, etc. Power was out for over a week at the condos after Irma, and internet took several weeks to get back. We had cellular connections though.

I'm sure the 15 minute interval will be good enough for our needs. I'm the IT and web developer, so I'm the one having a problem. I want to provide the best most up-to-date weather on the beach. Even at 15 minute readings we will be, but I want to take advantage of our 5 minute upload.


Note that WU will, reasonably-happily, accept station uploads from 2 sources.  So, with in-building hardware you could have 5-minute uploads (or even rapid fire) when power is available (noting that your UPS won't last for a week), and with WeatherLink.com 15-minute uploads also always there.
Title: Re: WeatherLink 6.0.3 - Internet Settings Grayed Out
Post by: shakasha on November 06, 2017, 02:55:43 PM
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So, with in-building hardware you could have 5-minute uploads (or even rapid fire) when power is available (noting that your UPS won't last for a week), and with WeatherLink.com 15-minute uploads also always there.
You speak the truth. We may be doing that soon enough. I am sure I won't be satisfied until I am seeing updates every few seconds like I am used to from home.  :-)
Title: Re: WeatherLink 6.0.3 - Internet Settings Grayed Out
Post by: Mattk on November 07, 2017, 02:51:24 AM
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....My WeatherLink software appears to not be able to download every five minutes from WL.com....

Typically WL will upload the WL page but only download after an hour. Not sure what Vantage connect does but a standard WeatherLink logger with archive of say 10 minutes will update the URL link every 60 seconds or so but archive download will occur after an hour of uploads when 6 records will be downloaded.

 
Title: Re: WeatherLink 6.0.3 - Internet Settings Grayed Out
Post by: johnd on November 07, 2017, 03:28:44 AM
Typically WL will upload the WL page but only download after an hour. Not sure what Vantage connect does but a standard WeatherLink logger with archive of say 10 minutes will update the URL link every 60 seconds or so but archive download will occur after an hour of uploads when 6 records will be downloaded.

What actually happens I think is that the 'Current conditions' data packets are uploaded from the WLIP or PC source every minute but the archive data packets are uploaded just once per hour. In other words, it's the uploads that determine data availability at wl.com.

With Connect, as per previous posts, it's the data plan interval alone that determines data availability, ie current conditions and archive packet are effectively the same thing.
Title: Re: WeatherLink 6.0.3 - Internet Settings Grayed Out
Post by: Mattk on November 07, 2017, 05:07:54 AM
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....current conditions and archive packet are effectively the same thing.
Then by all logic if 5 min archive is uploaded every 5 minutes then one should be able to download a 5 min archive every 5 minutes?
Title: Re: WeatherLink 6.0.3 - Internet Settings Grayed Out
Post by: johnd on November 07, 2017, 05:50:55 AM
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....current conditions and archive packet are effectively the same thing.
Then by all logic if 5 min archive is uploaded every 5 minutes then one should be able to download a 5 min archive every 5 minutes?

Yes, that's how it works IIRC. In fact I've just downloaded one of our 5-min Connects at 1041Z and the latest record downloaded is timed at 1040. Downloaded again at 1049Z and the 1045 record is there now.

Davis don't encourage users to hit the server every 5 minutes, but it's the Amazon cloud after all so difficult to see it being too much of a problem.
Title: Re: WeatherLink 6.0.3 - Internet Settings Grayed Out
Post by: shakasha on November 07, 2017, 06:44:06 AM
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Davis don't encourage users to hit the server every 5 minutes, but it's the Amazon cloud after all so difficult to see it being too much of a problem.
Even if every user were to make that one request for current conditions every 15 seconds it wouldn't tax the server. It is a very quick query that does not have to search through the entire archives. We are not downloading streaming video, or even images, so bandwidth is minimal. There are websites out there that use more resources on one visitor just loading a single page. I would imagine that if you go to Amazon.com and do a search for a product, you have already used more server resources than the WeatherLink server uses in several minutes. Granted the Amazon servers are a bit more robust...  ;)

OK, so I have WeatherDisplay 10.37S build 59 running and downloading 5 minute data from WeatherLink.com. It is missing the wind gusts, but everything else is there including whatever the actual wind speed it at the time of the five minute upload from the Davis Pro 2 Plus via Vantage Connect. I can then update Weather Underground every five minutes from WeatherDisplay with everything but gusts. Then WeatherLink.com sends its update every 15 minutes or so with its gust data.

It's not a perfect solution, but probably as close as I will get for now with added hardware. I'll watch it for a few hours and see how it looks.
Title: Re: WeatherLink 6.0.3 - Internet Settings Grayed Out
Post by: johnd on November 07, 2017, 07:11:48 AM
OK, so I have WeatherDisplay 10.37S build 59 running and downloading 5 minute data from WeatherLink.com. It is missing the wind gusts...

No obvious reason why the wind gusts** should be missing - they're at byte 25 in the archive record. Maybe WD isn't pulling them out of the data packet, only the mean wind speed.

** wind gust as in the highest wind speed value seen in the interval

Edit: Ah unless WD is looking at the XML rather than the archive packets? But the point is that the max gust value (in each interval) is available, just a question of which data source is used. If the archive records aren't currently being used by WD then maybe Brian might be willing to add this option?
Title: Re: WeatherLink 6.0.3 - Internet Settings Grayed Out
Post by: shakasha on November 07, 2017, 07:51:18 AM
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Edit: Ah unless WD is looking at the XML rather than the archive packets?
That's what I assumed.

If there is a way to get the gusts, I'd be very happy camper!!!!  :grin:

It seems like since I've been uploading from WD every 5 minutes, WeatherLink.com hasn't updated Weather Underground. I think you mentioned WU will accept two sources, I think I may have knocked WL.com out then because I have mnually uploaded from my WL software as well.
Title: Re: WeatherLink 6.0.3 - Internet Settings Grayed Out
Post by: shakasha on November 08, 2017, 04:32:38 AM
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But the point is that the max gust value (in each interval)
Is there any documentation on how to get the archive packets? I've seen how to get the XML, but don't remember seeing anything else.
Title: Re: WeatherLink 6.0.3 - Internet Settings Grayed Out
Post by: shakasha on November 08, 2017, 04:49:16 AM
Hey Johnd, I saw this in another thread:
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Look at the browser interface for EM to see where all the Davis software development has been focused for the past many months. I think this one is public:

https://www.weatherlink.com/bulletin/9722cfc3-a4ef-47b9-befb-72f52592d6ed
Is it possible for people to sign up for that with systems already installed? If so, how much?
Title: Re: WeatherLink 6.0.3 - Internet Settings Grayed Out
Post by: johnd on November 08, 2017, 05:37:39 AM
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But the point is that the max gust value (in each interval)
Is there any documentation on how to get the archive packets? I've seen how to get the XML, but don't remember seeing anything else.

Look at the Serial Tech Ref document. It's a bit buried these days in the new and (not!) improved Davis website, but look in Weather>Support>Software and search on Weatherlink. Current version is v2.6.1. Web Download protocol is on p36, with the format of the archive packets some pages before.
Title: Re: WeatherLink 6.0.3 - Internet Settings Grayed Out
Post by: johnd on November 08, 2017, 05:43:10 AM
Hey Johnd, I saw this in another thread:
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Look at the browser interface for EM to see where all the Davis software development has been focused for the past many months. I think this one is public:

https://www.weatherlink.com/bulletin/9722cfc3-a4ef-47b9-befb-72f52592d6ed
Is it possible for people to sign up for that with systems already installed? If so, how much?

I don't really know what you can see. We have transparent access since we're already running an EM account, so it's tricky for me to know what non-users can see. That link is to one of Davis's own EM installations and AFAICS that's set to public access. I'm thinking that anyone should be able to access eg the chart option BICBW - maybe we have privileged access?

In general the owner of an specific EM account has full control over access rights to the data and they can make it available to other specific users or make at least part of the access public.
Title: Re: WeatherLink 6.0.3 - Internet Settings Grayed Out
Post by: shakasha on November 08, 2017, 06:13:24 AM
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In general the owner of an specific EM account has full control over access rights to the data and they can make it available to other specific users or make at least part of the access public.
I'd be interested to find out what it would cost to have an EM account and have our weather station available for public viewing.
Title: Re: WeatherLink 6.0.3 - Internet Settings Grayed Out
Post by: johnd on November 08, 2017, 07:54:11 AM
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In general the owner of an specific EM account has full control over access rights to the data and they can make it available to other specific users or make at least part of the access public.
I'd be interested to find out what it would cost to have an EM account and have our weather station available for public viewing.

Sorry, my fault, I've introduced some misunderstanding into the thread(s). Right now, to have an EM account you need to have an EM system rather than a 'traditional' wl.com account.

But it seems very likely  that Davis see the EM online presentations as the way forwards for the future and there is some speculation that at some point (maybe sooner, maybe later - I don't have any hard info) at least some of the previous wl.com presentation will move across to the EM platform. But right now the only way to see EM presentation is to buy an EM system. Apologies for any misapprehensions.
Title: Re: WeatherLink 6.0.3 - Internet Settings Grayed Out
Post by: rhodesengr on November 10, 2017, 09:23:39 PM
So did you ever figure out how to ungray the internet settings? I am in the same situation having a Vantage Connect sending data to WL every five minutes. I wanted to use the templates to make my own web page.

Another way of asking this is do any of the templates use the xml or binary URL calls to get data from WL? I don't think so. I can do a little hmtl and php programming but would not be able to parse the binary data call as described in the serial data document.

Maybe someone has already done that part and i could just modify with our station?
Title: Re: WeatherLink 6.0.3 - Internet Settings Grayed Out
Post by: shakasha on November 10, 2017, 10:33:48 PM
Funny you should ask...

We put the station up last Friday afternoon. I suspect I have well over 100 hours of time on my PC since then trying different software and solutions to get what we need from WL.com using Vantage Connect. I've spent many hours on forums such as this one asking questions and seeking answers.

Here's the end results of all that time:

The ONLY place one can go to get the latest 5 minute data that includes Wind Gusts is the very boring fixed width 760 pixel wide WL.com summary page:

http://www.weatherlink.com/user/clearwaterbeach/index.php?view=summary&headers=0

Right now there is no way around that sad reality. Oh well, we have to suck it up.

Now to move forward with our goal to produce some kind of respectable web presentation on what we can get, here's the best we can do in my opinion, and I am not ashamed at what I have done with what we have to work with.

After extensive trial and error, and to skip the hours of discussion that you may find on this forum and others, here's what I am doing:

I use WeatherDisplay to download my data from WL.com at the default settings. It gets everything but Wind Gusts and Solar Radiation.

Then I have WeatherDisplay upload the data every 5 minutes to Meteotemplate. I tried using the Meteotemplate plugin and a cron job to update the Meteotemplate database once a minute but found I was still losing about 10 to 20 five minute records a day which created another problem for me. But so far WeatherDisplay has not missed one record.

I have WeatherLink 6.0.3 software on my PC and once an hour it retrieves all the data from WeatherLink.com, including the Wind Gusts and Solar Radiation.

Meteotemplate has a feature to import data manually using a CSV file. Since I am crazy about wanting accurate Wind Gust data, I am going every few hours and updating the Wind Gust and Solar Radiation data in the Meteotemplate database (which lives on our own server).

Sounds like a lot of work, right? And it is! UGH

BUT, the good news is that the Meteotemplate application is amazing, and very powerful. In fact, I am blown away by how well it works. A week ago I was almost about to find and visit the Davis HQ and beg them to let me build a somewhat decent modern data presentation webpage or pages so they could offer them to customers like me.

Here's my work in progress, almost ready to share to the public:

https://beachresortcondos.com/weather-station

I just have to tidy up some links and maybe add another block or two. But I am impressed.

It also has a pretty cool "Sticker" feature:

(https://beachresortcondos.com/weather-station/plugins/stickers/stickerInteractive.php?text= &bg=287&shadow=1&border=2&bgColor=004c81)

At this point in time, I applaud WeatherDisplay and Meteotemplate for helping me overcome what WeatherLink.com does not provide with my data. On the other hand the WeatherLink 6.0.3 software allows me to access my weather data and archive it on my PC or wherever else I want to save it.

Obviously WeatherLink.com is way behind the curve on what we want, and expect. They are ahead in that Vantage Connect is a fantastic tool in many regards, and allows us to upload weather data without an internet connection or even electric power. Bravo for that! And Bravo to WeatherDisplay and Meteotemplate for everything else!

So that's my thought on that.

 :-)





Title: Re: WeatherLink 6.0.3 - Internet Settings Grayed Out
Post by: johnd on November 11, 2017, 04:22:07 AM
The ONLY place one can go to get the latest 5 minute data that includes Wind Gusts is the very boring fixed width 760 pixel wide WL.com summary page:

http://www.weatherlink.com/user/clearwaterbeach/index.php?view=summary&headers=0

But as per all the discussion upthread you know this isn't true. The archive data packets which are available every 5 minutes (in your data plan) contain both wind gusts and solar data. Not that it matters because you've clearly arrived at a data presentation that you're content with, but for anyone else who might be reading this thread in future...
Title: Re: WeatherLink 6.0.3 - Internet Settings Grayed Out
Post by: johnd on November 11, 2017, 04:37:12 AM
I can do a little hmtl and php programming but would not be able to parse the binary data call as described in the serial data document.

Don't be put off this just because it's binary - it really isn't very tricky to do, though you probably do need a language beyond HTML/PHP. All that you do is to read the data packet into a byte array and then pick off the bytes one or two at a time (according to how each weather reading is encoded) and convert to the appropriate variable type (integer, float/double, string etc). The key to the mapping of bytes to weather values is as per the table in the Serial Tech Ref document. But I guess if you don't have any experience at all with a language like VB, C#, Python etc etc then maybe it's not going to be feasible.
Title: Re: WeatherLink 6.0.3 - Internet Settings Grayed Out
Post by: Mattk on November 11, 2017, 04:37:34 AM
What I see in this thread is a back to front approach in which the backend was installed which was not technically capable of then providing the front end without a whole load of work a rounds and additional add on bits and pieces.

Maybe the better approach may have been to determine exactly what the front end requirement was etc then select the hardware that could simply provide this output with the least amount of run-a-round.
Title: Re: WeatherLink 6.0.3 - Internet Settings Grayed Out
Post by: johnd on November 11, 2017, 05:38:09 AM
@Mattk: Well, I do know what you mean, but it's often quite tricky to get the end-user/customer to specify upfront exactly what they want and in sufficient detail that you can rule different solutions in or out. If you're not careful you end up with a specification for which there's no viable solution (at least short of a major software development project).

So inevitably you run through several iterations of what possible combinations of available hardware and software can deliver and see which compromises you're least unhappy with. But often it's not a very satisfactory process, partly because no-one has the time to specify or investigate things in sufficient detail in advance, and the user ends up at least partially disappointed with the end-result.

In this particular instance, having made the understandable choice to opt for a Connect unit (because of the real practical and admin benefits that it offers) then there actually is no available software solution that offers the perfect online presentation.
Title: Re: WeatherLink 6.0.3 - Internet Settings Grayed Out
Post by: ocala on November 11, 2017, 08:50:44 AM
Coming in late on this one.
I don't have a Vantage Connect but rather a VP2 with a serial to USB connection. Also using 6.03.
As for the grayed out options.
Just open Weatherlink. Do not open any of the windows on top.
All the options under set-up should not be grayed out. Once you open one of the windows, bulletin, strip charts, plots etc then those options will be grayed out.
At least that's how it's always been for me. Maybe with the Vantage Connect it's different.
Title: Re: WeatherLink 6.0.3 - Internet Settings Grayed Out
Post by: johnd on November 11, 2017, 08:58:47 AM
As for the grayed out options.
Just open Weatherlink. Do not open any of the windows on top.

No, it seems to depend on the current Communications Port setting. If you have TCP/IP and Web download both enabled (as you would eg for accessing a Connect's archive data) then you get the greying out. Otherwise the Internet Settings is accessible.
Title: Re: WeatherLink 6.0.3 - Internet Settings Grayed Out
Post by: dalecoy on November 11, 2017, 10:44:23 AM

Here's my work in progress, almost ready to share to the public:

https://beachresortcondos.com/weather-station


Is that an actual picture of your station site and installation?
Title: Re: WeatherLink 6.0.3 - Internet Settings Grayed Out
Post by: rhodesengr on November 11, 2017, 11:09:04 AM
grayed out or not, as far as i can tell none of the supplied templates include the required data calls. Here they are from page 36 of the serial protocol document:
http://weatherlink.com/webdl.php?timestamp=TimeStamp&user=username&pass=password&action=headers
http://weatherlink.com/webdl.php?timestamp=TimeStamp&user=username&pass=password&action=data
"The response is a binary encoded octet stream of the raw 52 byte archive records. These can be decoded per the definition in X.4"

So the fact that Internet Settings is grayed out when Weatherlink is set for getting data from a Connect feed is really a statement that none of  the web page templates supplied with WL  include those calls or the appropriate parser. That is pretty annoying as Davis clearly has the resources to put some templates together that include those calls. I do plan to email them but who knows if anything would come from that.

Like i said before, I have done some programming in my life but not recently and it would be too much work and time for me to get this all figured out. I was hoping someone else had already done it. There is that Python library here:
https://github.com/beamerblvd/weatherlink-python/tree/master/weatherlink
which has a downloader but I don't see a parser or an example of it integrated into a webpage.
Title: Re: WeatherLink 6.0.3 - Internet Settings Grayed Out
Post by: johnd on November 11, 2017, 12:11:37 PM
grayed out or not, as far as i can tell none of the supplied templates include the required data calls.

Of course they don't. If you look for a moment into how WL works you'll find that data downloads are performed independently of the templates. You just check the 'Download weather station first' checkbox in the upload profile if you want to ensure that a data download is triggered before the template is parsed.

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So the fact that Internet Settings is grayed out when Weatherlink is set for getting data from a Connect feed is really a statement that none of  the web page templates supplied with WL  include those calls or the appropriate parser.

As above, that really isn't the reason because it would work anyway in principle (were Internet Settings not greyed out). I suspect the reason for greying out is a combination of (i) no real-time web-tags being available (because only archive data is being downloaded) and (ii) Davis didn't want the AWS service continually being hit at frequent intervals by potentially many thousands of users feeding data to their templates/web pages.

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That is pretty annoying as Davis clearly has the resources to put some templates together that include those calls. I do plan to email them but who knows if anything would come from that.

Almost certainly nothing, considering that 'traditional' WL development appears to have been ended (in favour of the EM approach).

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Like i said before, I have done some programming in my life but not recently and it would be too much work and time for me to get this all figured out. I was hoping someone else had already done it.

As upthread, for anyone who's done some eg .Net or Python type programming it really isn't that difficult - just build a class or structure that maps all the entries in the record table and parse each downloaded archive record into that class.
Title: Re: WeatherLink 6.0.3 - Internet Settings Grayed Out
Post by: dalecoy on November 11, 2017, 01:31:26 PM


Here's my work in progress, almost ready to share to the public:

https://beachresortcondos.com/weather-station


https://beachresortcondos.com/images/Bobby-and-DavisPro2Plus.jpg

Is that an actual picture of your station site and installation?
Title: Re: WeatherLink 6.0.3 - Internet Settings Grayed Out
Post by: dalecoy on November 13, 2017, 05:57:11 PM


Here's my work in progress, almost ready to share to the public:

https://beachresortcondos.com/weather-station


https://beachresortcondos.com/images/Bobby-and-DavisPro2Plus.jpg

Is that an actual picture of your station site and installation?

The reason I ask is that the picture shows a non-aspirated VP2 mounted about 4 ft. above the edge of a sloping roof, and approximately 65 ft. above ground level. 

The wind gust "measurements" (and the other measurements) from that station won't be anywhere near "standard".  If that's the station under discussion here, I'm not sure why 5-minute intervals are so important.

But perhaps the station is actually mounted somewhere else..........
Title: Re: WeatherLink 6.0.3 - Internet Settings Grayed Out
Post by: dalecoy on November 16, 2017, 12:07:12 PM
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Sorry, I must have annoyed shakasha by asking that question. 
Title: Re: WeatherLink 6.0.3 - Internet Settings Grayed Out
Post by: shakasha on November 18, 2017, 12:54:38 PM
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Sorry, I must have annoyed shakasha by asking that question.
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No just haven't been back in here. My regular work was backed up and had to catch up.

But yes, that's the station. We will raise it up another few feet, but that is where it is to stay. 15 minute updates will probably work fine for everyone but me. That's what WU is getting and it's OK. I'll burn out on updating the database two or three times a day, and can always check WeatherLink.com for the latest gusts during a storm. So I'll be fine as well.

All that said, I am happy with the system. Had somebody told me that we'd be limited to 15 minute updates out of WeatherLink.com before we bought it (the salesman at Davis sure didn't bring it up and I didn't know there was a reason to ask), I would have done some more research, but likely would have done the same thing. No cables, we do not rely on power or internet, it is a stand-alone system and does the trick.