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Title: Winter '16-'17
Post by: zackdog on November 28, 2016, 09:56:58 AM
Fall is finally done and winter has begun for me.  Fall was abnormally awesome, with mean temps well above my 20 yr averages,  Sept. +2.1°, Oct. +4.0°, and Nov. will probably be at least +5°.  My average mean Temp for Nov. is 25.8°, yesterday the mean for the month finally dropped below freezing at 31.9°.

I now have 6" of snow on the ground and don't expect to see bare ground again until April.  After this fall's warm temps, I am afraid winter is going to be colder than normal.

Mark

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Title: Re: Winter '16-'17
Post by: WeatherHost on November 29, 2016, 04:41:19 AM
I was just thinking about starting a thread.  Hasn't really been cold for long yet, just not hot.  Days in the 50s instead of the 80s is a big and fairly quick change.

A few nights and early mornings in the 20s, but rises quickly after Sunrise.

Wet pattern moved back in and have had more rain in two days than the last 3 months combined.  I'll take it as rain, but I sure don't want it as snow or worse, ice.  I'll take a warm wet Winter or a cold dry Winter, but cold wet Winters are no fun at all.
Title: Re: Winter '16-'17
Post by: Jáchym on November 29, 2016, 05:07:40 AM
Shouldnt this be called Summer/Winter 2016 though? I mean it´s not just people from the N hemisphere here right? :D
Title: Re: Winter '16-'17
Post by: ValentineWeather on November 30, 2016, 09:17:24 AM
Next week first arctic outbreak for lower 48 will arrive. Snap shot of Tuesday high temperatures.
Title: Re: Winter '16-'17
Post by: CW2274 on November 30, 2016, 02:48:19 PM
Next week first arctic outbreak for lower 48 will arrive. Snap shot of Tuesday high temperatures.
62F. I can live with that. :-)
Title: Re: Winter '16-'17
Post by: Jáchym on November 30, 2016, 06:20:16 PM
First hour of winter 2016. Light snow and temperature slightly below freezing point. At night I expect it to drop to around -6C (-20F). Slightly below the average for this time of the year.
Title: Re: Winter '16-'17
Post by: Aardvark on November 30, 2016, 06:31:15 PM
Just spitting snow here today.  Ground too warm to stay, and it is warming up a bit.

There must be a correlation between the snow happening and our mail carrier wearing shorts in 33F weather.
Title: Re: Winter '16-'17
Post by: Jáchym on November 30, 2016, 06:40:24 PM
Not that far from my city :)

(http://1gr.cz/fotky/idnes/16/114/org/ALE67aa69_Liberec1.jpg)
Title: Re: Winter '16-'17
Post by: Scalphunter on November 30, 2016, 09:34:33 PM
Quote
-6C (-20F).

I don't think that  is -20F more like 21.6 degrees F.

John
Title: Re: Winter '16-'17
Post by: Jáchym on November 30, 2016, 09:52:44 PM
 :grin: thanks,  it is plus of course
Title: Re: Winter '16-'17
Post by: Scalphunter on December 01, 2016, 06:54:02 PM
Heat wave today here high of -7 F. But the weather guys saying colder temps next week.  For remainder of the week here they are saying snow showers with accumulation of around an inch.

John
Title: Re: Winter '16-'17
Post by: Jáchym on December 01, 2016, 07:12:04 PM
Yeah, heat wave :D I wish we had heat waves like that in the summer here too instead of the 95 ones :D
Title: Re: Winter '16-'17
Post by: WeatherHost on December 02, 2016, 10:00:06 AM
I don't think I'm looking forward to the end of next week.  Forecast highs only in the mid 30s.

Title: Re: Winter '16-'17
Post by: WheatonRon on December 02, 2016, 02:03:10 PM
Heat wave today here high of -7 F. But the weather guys saying colder temps next week.  For remainder of the week here they are saying snow showers with accumulation of around an inch.

John

When does your growing season begin and end? Just curious!
Title: Re: Winter '16-'17
Post by: Scalphunter on December 02, 2016, 02:31:35 PM
Late May to Mid August with chance of frost any time. After mid August you can expect an hard freeze anytime.
Two years ago on the 1st of June we had 4 inches of fresh snow and then by end of month it was high 80's and 2nd worst fire season seen. 5.5 million acres burned.

John
Title: Re: Winter '16-'17
Post by: WeatherHost on December 02, 2016, 06:11:28 PM
Code: [Select]
Thursday
A chance of snow. Mostly sunny, with a high near 35. West northwest wind 9 to 11 mph.
Thursday Night
Mostly clear, with a low around 19. West northwest wind 7 to 9 mph.
Friday
Mostly sunny, with a high near 32. West wind 6 to 8 mph.


Ughhh.....


Title: Re: Winter '16-'17
Post by: Jáchym on December 02, 2016, 06:14:04 PM
Yes I agree, especially that Friday I wouldnt enjoy:
Quote
Mostly sunny

It was nicely overcast here today, temp right now approximately 28F and very windy
Title: Re: Winter '16-'17
Post by: WeatherHost on December 02, 2016, 06:41:39 PM

It was nicely overcast here today,


You're not related to Morticia Addams, are you?

Title: Re: Winter '16-'17
Post by: Scalphunter on December 02, 2016, 07:10:25 PM
hell those are fall times temps.  come  join in the real winter temps we are  expecting  starting Monday. Anywhere from 25 to  50 below zero depending where you are located.

John
Title: Re: Winter '16-'17
Post by: Jáchym on December 02, 2016, 07:11:05 PM
:D You would be surprised :D I actually consider myself (and others consider me as well as far as I know) as a great optimist, it is just the weather that I enjoy when it is extreme - i.e. cold, windy etc. And I like night. Also because I usually go to bed at sunrise. It has many advantages for me - wifi is very slow during the day because of the interference, Im at work anyway, so I work on my template mostly at night, many people here appreciate that because otherwise I wont be able to talk to someone from California on Skype after they have dinner, I do the groceries after work and everything is discounted because the store is about to close etc etc :D

Either way, no Im not a gothic and I dont wear black clothes all the time :D
Title: Re: Winter '16-'17
Post by: Jáchym on December 02, 2016, 07:11:45 PM
hell those are fall times temps.  come  join in the real winter temps we are  expecting  starting Monday. Anywhere from 25 to  50 below zero depending where you are located.

John

yeah, the more I read your posts every evening Im tempted to pack up and book a ticket to Alaska :D
Title: Re: Winter '16-'17
Post by: CW2274 on December 02, 2016, 07:45:45 PM
And I like night. Also because I usually go to bed at sunrise.
Don't all vampires? :-"
Title: Re: Winter '16-'17
Post by: WeatherHost on December 02, 2016, 07:45:50 PM
yeah, the more I read your posts every evening Im tempted to pack up and book a ticket to Alaska :D

I was there in the Summer of '71 (I think), little place called Kotzebue among other places.  Still have the gold nugget somewhere that I panned.  More like a small fleck than a nugget, but you know how those things go.

Title: Re: Winter '16-'17
Post by: Jáchym on December 02, 2016, 07:48:03 PM
And I like night. Also because I usually go to bed at sunrise.
Don't all vampires? :-"

Vampires and developers and people in the IT in general :D
Title: Re: Winter '16-'17
Post by: lrosenman on December 02, 2016, 07:48:48 PM
And I like night. Also because I usually go to bed at sunrise.
Don't all vampires? :-"

Vampires and developers and people in IT business in general :D

I know a bunch of my colleagues like dark offices..... (Yeah, I'm in IT).
Title: Re: Winter '16-'17
Post by: Jáchym on December 02, 2016, 07:50:46 PM
yeah, the more I read your posts every evening Im tempted to pack up and book a ticket to Alaska :D

I was there in the Summer of '71 (I think), little place called Kotzebue among other places.  Still have the gold nugget somewhere that I panned.  More like a small fleck than a nugget, but you know how those things go.

Yeah, thats true, so in addition to comfortable temperatures, amazing landscape, there is even gold :D OK, well it will be a tough decision once I finally decide to move :D Alaska or New Zealand? :D
Title: Re: Winter '16-'17
Post by: WheatonRon on December 02, 2016, 07:52:09 PM
And I like night. Also because I usually go to bed at sunrise.
Don't all vampires? :-"

Vampires and developers and people in the IT in general :D

Jac,

So that's your problem! It is about 19:00 in Chicago, and if memory serves me right, the CR is 5 hours ahead of me or midnight!? Do you ever sleep?
Title: Re: Winter '16-'17
Post by: Jáchym on December 02, 2016, 07:58:34 PM
Let me correct you, Im 7h ahead of you, not 5 :D
Title: Re: Winter '16-'17
Post by: WheatonRon on December 02, 2016, 08:05:57 PM
Let me correct you, Im 7h ahead of you, not 5 :D

It's worse--2 in the am! Go to bed! :grin:🛌🌙☔️⛄️
Title: Re: Winter '16-'17
Post by: Jáchym on December 02, 2016, 08:08:07 PM
Let me correct you, Im 7h ahead of you, not 5 :D

It's worse--2 in the am! Go to bed! :grin:🛌🌙☔️⛄️

Now? Why... have a look at my posts, you will see I usually post here until around 10PM your time, which is when I have dinner and go to bed.

Given I have two jobs and template used by 333 people to support I have to make sure I have very good time management and as part of that I learned to sleep quickly ;)

Now, so that we are not OT... in the upcoming days it is supposed to be around 0C (32F) here during the day and -5C at night
Title: Re: Winter '16-'17
Post by: Scalphunter on December 02, 2016, 10:04:34 PM
 Alaska Temperature Extremes.
:  Highest Temperature Last 12 Hours.
:   49 at Ketchikan
:  Lowest Temperature Last 24 Hours.
:  -37 at Ambler...Huslia
:

at an high here of -2  almost  got the shorts and Tee shirt out again.  Sunday night forecast 25 below with Ambler forecasted for 45 below.

John
Title: Re: Winter '16-'17
Post by: Jáchym on December 02, 2016, 10:06:53 PM
Another heat wave today
Title: Re: Winter '16-'17
Post by: Scalphunter on December 02, 2016, 10:10:00 PM
Temperatures have modified considerably over the central and
eastern interior from earlier this week with clouds and snow but
remain cold in the western interior where temperatures again
dropped into the 30s and 40s below. Expect the cold temperatures
to return to the central interior Sunday and eastern interior
Monday as clouds and snow move north and east and skies scatter
out. 30s and 40s below still on track for these areas begining
late Sunday or Monday depending on how quickly the clouds depart.
Model guidance continues to present a split decision on how long
the cold temperatures will remain over the central and eastern
interrior with the ECMWF bringing in warmer temperatures by mid
week and the Canadian, and GFS models keeping the cold temperatures
in play for the central and eastern interior through the end of
next week. This is however a flip flop from previous model runs
so forecast confidence remains low beyond the middle of next week.

By Sunday night as a 1050 MB or stronger high pressure system
builds over the Yukon, altimeter settings could rise to above
31.00 inches to the east of Fairbanks and continue into Tuesday.
This may present problems for aircraft with altimeters limited to
31.00 inches.



I added the boldness to this   to show  how cold dense air can effect  aircraft flights.

John
Title: Re: Winter '16-'17
Post by: Scalphunter on December 03, 2016, 05:34:40 PM
Was warmer last night  at midnight then now.  -8 F  since then we been slowly falling toward forecast low of -25.  At -16 now and have another hour of daylight left. received 4 inches of new powder in the last 24 hour.

 Alaska Temperature Extremes.
:  Highest Temperature Last 24 Hours.
:   49 at Annette...Ketchikan
:  Lowest Temperature Last 12 Hours.
:  -38 at Bettles


John
Title: Re: Winter '16-'17
Post by: Jáchym on December 03, 2016, 05:39:30 PM
Hi John,
just so that you dont get the impression its not cold here.... I live in the second largest city of the Czech Republic with 400k inhabitants and also in one of the warmest parts of the country. But I just checked the lowest T for my country as a whole from last night and it was -13F :) (yes F, not C ;)
Title: Re: Winter '16-'17
Post by: Jáchym on December 03, 2016, 05:45:13 PM
The coldest month here is January when in some parts of the country the temps drop usually close to -40 (C or F, you choose :D)
Title: Re: Winter '16-'17
Post by: Scalphunter on December 03, 2016, 05:56:20 PM
I know it get a bit cool over there. I had pleasure few years ago to talk with couple vets that were in the Battle of the Bulge. It was the cold that they remember the most  and was more concern over then the German troops.

John
Title: Re: Winter '16-'17
Post by: Jáchym on December 03, 2016, 05:58:22 PM
The record low here was -45F, but in the recent yrs we more frequently get close (or exceed) the high T record, which is currently 105.5, last yr we had 104, this yr it was about 102
Title: Re: Winter '16-'17
Post by: Scalphunter on December 03, 2016, 10:58:35 PM
At -30 here this evening.(1900) and barometer still climbing  slowly  @30.44 in/hg

John
Title: Re: Winter '16-'17
Post by: Scalphunter on December 04, 2016, 12:17:41 PM
3o.72 here for barometer pressure.

John
Title: Re: Winter '16-'17
Post by: Jáchym on December 04, 2016, 12:23:24 PM
This night is likely to be quite cold (for John: relatively warm). It was sunny during the day and the night is clear as well. It is only 2 hours after sunset and the temperature has already dropped by 6C. I expect we hit -10C (15F) tonight.

Title: Re: Winter '16-'17
Post by: Scalphunter on December 04, 2016, 01:03:49 PM
Waiting here for sun up. Temps generally drop again about then. That be around 1030 my time. At -34, -40 (F/C) expected later this week?
Title: Re: Winter '16-'17
Post by: Scalphunter on December 04, 2016, 06:37:44 PM
Here at sunset we are at 30.80 on the barometer and -31 F on temp. Did manage to get to -30 before it started dropping.



:  Alaska Temperature Extremes.
:  Highest Temperature Last 24 Hours.
:   43 at Skagway...Adak
:  Lowest Temperature Last 12 Hours.
:  -36 at Huslia


John
:
Title: Re: Winter '16-'17
Post by: Jáchym on December 04, 2016, 06:56:28 PM
Based on those extreme values you posted I assume you live in one of the coldest parts of Alaska right?
Title: Re: Winter '16-'17
Post by: ValentineWeather on December 04, 2016, 07:01:25 PM
Here at sunset we are at 30.80 on the barometer and -31 F on temp. Did manage to get to -30 before it started dropping.



:  Alaska Temperature Extremes.
:  Highest Temperature Last 24 Hours.
:   43 at Skagway...Adak
:  Lowest Temperature Last 12 Hours.
:  -36 at Huslia


John
:

Out of curiosity where you are located? The member map shows you near Harding Lake with milder forecast temperatures than being reported.
http://forecast.weather.gov/MapClick.php?lon=-146.89532093024266&lat=64.4446607822602#.WESsYNUrKpo
Title: Re: Winter '16-'17
Post by: Scalphunter on December 04, 2016, 07:25:54 PM
About an mile from Harding Lake and yes the forecast that they use in WU, Weather bug and even NWS  is milder then what we see here. They seem to use Eilson AFB  23 miles away and 200 feet lower or Fairbanks 45 miles away and 350 lower. If you  pull up mesowest map  you can see that drainage has it own weather/microclime.  The Interior of Alaska is the coldest part of the state  It is between the Alaska and Brooks Range so it like an bowl for the cold air to drain into.

John
Title: Re: Winter '16-'17
Post by: ValentineWeather on December 04, 2016, 07:34:58 PM
Thanks John.  I've seen big differences in deep sinks where cold air settles in for sure.   
Title: Re: Winter '16-'17
Post by: Jáchym on December 04, 2016, 07:40:58 PM
Yes, it is always like that. There is one very unique place in my country where there is a really deep valley with very unique slope, soil type, terrain etc. and there is one professional station in the valley and one at the top, vertical distance between these two is 800m (half a mile). When there is inversion and certain unique conditions, the difference between these two stations is even over 35 degrees! Yes, last yr there was at one point -10C at one and 23.5C (15 and 75F) at the other one - half a mile distance....
Title: Re: Winter '16-'17
Post by: ocala on December 04, 2016, 07:41:21 PM
That drainage is a strange thing.
It even occurs here in Florida on the colder nights.
About 20 miles to my west they will be 7 to 10 degrees colder in a very narrow strip running north to south.
Title: Re: Winter '16-'17
Post by: Jáchym on December 04, 2016, 07:47:34 PM
Basins are always the coldest places
Title: Re: Winter '16-'17
Post by: ValentineWeather on December 04, 2016, 09:22:00 PM
Check these temperatures out. -30's all along the river John is on. Well the point forecast up there is full of it.
Title: Re: Winter '16-'17
Post by: Jáchym on December 04, 2016, 09:47:40 PM
 :grin:

-7c here,  three hours until sunrise
Title: Re: Winter '16-'17
Post by: Scalphunter on December 05, 2016, 06:00:18 PM
:  Alaska Temperature Extremes.
:  Highest Temperature Last 24 Hours.
:   43 at Atka...Dutch Harbor...Sand Point
:  Lowest Temperature Last 12 Hours.
:  -42 at Arctic Village

Here we warmed up to -24 F from low last night of -35. My barometer topped out at 30.80 before starting to fall as the HP core moved  east into the Yukon Terrority.
Title: Re: Winter '16-'17
Post by: BigOkie on December 06, 2016, 05:04:04 PM
Couple of Januarys ago I remember here in Oklahoma we had a pressure of 31.01.  Highest I'd ever seen.  My stations have done the high low swing from 31.01 at station high to 28.92 station low.

High pressure always makes my knees and elbows hurt.
Title: Re: Winter '16-'17
Post by: Scalphunter on December 06, 2016, 05:33:24 PM
  Alaska Temperature Extremes.
:  Highest Temperature Last 24 Hours.
:   43 at Adak...Atka...Sand Point
:  Lowest Temperature Last 12 Hours.
:  -43 at Arctic Village
:

Was warmer last night at 12 below then now at -27 below.   Ran into Fairbanks and temps all over the place  from 30 below to 5 below. Many little micro climes. Part of it is from the Tanana Jet blowing winds  thru various basins. Ice fog in several areas.

John
Title: Re: Winter '16-'17
Post by: Jáchym on December 06, 2016, 06:10:28 PM
Our country record for highest pressure is 31.2
Title: Re: Winter '16-'17
Post by: WheatonRon on December 06, 2016, 06:24:29 PM
Our country record for highest pressure is 31.2

A bit high. Global warming maybe? Did I find the correct flag below?

🇨🇿
Title: Re: Winter '16-'17
Post by: Jáchym on December 06, 2016, 06:29:01 PM
It is high, but that is the all-time record for my country, it usually doesnt get above 30.8
Title: Re: Winter '16-'17
Post by: Scalphunter on December 07, 2016, 01:09:14 AM
First -50 of the new winter season  is here  Raws station  near  Chalkyitsik  has  the first of the -50's.  Ft Yukon which is close to that station  is coming in on Mesowest at -46.  here were I am we have dropped to -30.    Days length is down to 4 hour and 15 minuts.

John
Title: Re: Winter '16-'17
Post by: ValentineWeather on December 08, 2016, 08:59:54 PM
This seems balmy compared to the Alaskan cold but for what its worth first negative hit this winter a few minutes ago northern Nebraska. -1F at 7:45pm.
Title: Re: Winter '16-'17
Post by: WheatonRon on December 08, 2016, 09:30:41 PM
This seems balmy compared to the Alaskan cold but for what its worth first negative hit this winter a few minutes ago northern Nebraska. -1F at 7:45pm.

Please keep it in Nebraska and don't let such frigid temperatures drift Chicago way!
Title: Re: Winter '16-'17
Post by: ValentineWeather on December 08, 2016, 09:40:58 PM
We're keeping the cold but looking ahead at our forecast looks like you're getting the snow. I don't have to shovel cold.  :lol:
Title: Re: Winter '16-'17
Post by: CW2274 on December 08, 2016, 09:58:33 PM
This seems balmy compared to the Alaskan cold but for what its worth first negative hit this winter a few minutes ago northern Nebraska. -1F at 7:45pm.

Please keep it in Nebraska and don't let such frigid temperatures drift Chicago way!
That's like me wishing we here won't hit 100F next year.
Title: Re: Winter '16-'17
Post by: WheatonRon on December 08, 2016, 10:05:46 PM
This seems balmy compared to the Alaskan cold but for what its worth first negative hit this winter a few minutes ago northern Nebraska. -1F at 7:45pm.

Please keep it in Nebraska and don't let such frigid temperatures drift Chicago way!
That's like me wishing we here won't hit 100F next year.

We can always wish and hope.
Title: Re: Winter '16-'17
Post by: ValentineWeather on December 08, 2016, 10:38:25 PM
Well hit the overnight forecast low before midnight. Maybe it will warm toward morning  :lol:
Title: Re: Winter '16-'17
Post by: Scalphunter on December 08, 2016, 11:07:42 PM
Ha Ha  forecast lows are busted all the time....


John
Title: Re: Winter '16-'17
Post by: cospringswx on December 09, 2016, 12:16:04 AM
This seems balmy compared to the Alaskan cold but for what its worth first negative hit this winter a few minutes ago northern Nebraska. -1F at 7:45pm.

Please keep it in Nebraska and don't let such frigid temperatures drift Chicago way!

I'll send cold and snow from Colorado your way.
Title: Re: Winter '16-'17
Post by: zackdog on December 09, 2016, 08:24:49 AM
Yesterday's low was -17.2°F at 5:00 am and reached a high of 9.8°F at midnight.  At 6:00 am this morning it is 20.0°F and have had over 4" of snow, and the snow is still coming down while the temperature is going up.  Just checked and one of the stations down in the valley recorded a low of -30.5° F yesterday.

Mark
Title: Re: Winter '16-'17
Post by: ValentineWeather on December 09, 2016, 08:40:18 AM
Probably down in a sink/valley the -30. Very common in mountains to have delta T of 15. We use to camp on high spots just to reduce the cold at night from meadow areas because we would throw horseshoes at night under generator lights.  Fun times...
Title: Re: Winter '16-'17
Post by: zackdog on December 09, 2016, 10:45:29 AM
Oh boy,  if they are even close, I am not looking forward to the next ten days.  On Wed. they predicted 1-3", I got 4.4".  Yesterday they predicted 1-3", I got 4.2".  They seem to be on the low side.

Mark
Title: Re: Winter '16-'17
Post by: CW2274 on December 09, 2016, 01:58:25 PM
http://forecast.weather.gov/MapClick.php?lon=-111.02130906673072&lat=32.235870180839655#.WEr-blxoDgY
 8-)
Title: Re: Winter '16-'17
Post by: WheatonRon on December 09, 2016, 02:01:35 PM
http://forecast.weather.gov/MapClick.php?lon=-111.02130906673072&lat=32.235870180839655#.WEr-blxoDgY
 8-)

Are you trying to make us feel bad? 
Title: Re: Winter '16-'17
Post by: CW2274 on December 09, 2016, 02:12:24 PM
http://forecast.weather.gov/MapClick.php?lon=-111.02130906673072&lat=32.235870180839655#.WEr-blxoDgY
 8-)

Are you trying to make us feel bad?
Naw, just warm. :-)
Title: Re: Winter '16-'17
Post by: WheatonRon on December 09, 2016, 02:15:44 PM
http://forecast.weather.gov/MapClick.php?lon=-111.02130906673072&lat=32.235870180839655#.WEr-blxoDgY
 8-)

Are you trying to make us feel bad?
Naw, just warm. :-)

Ok.

🏖🏜🏝☃️⛄️💨
Title: Re: Winter '16-'17
Post by: Scalphunter on December 09, 2016, 02:56:24 PM
First time in an week  we are not sitting at 30 below.  Temps have warmed up to -8 and forecast says maybe 0 mark by Monday. Looks like that  HP  that was over the NWT affecting our  temps here has moved east.

 Keep an log or 2 on the fir

John
Title: Re: Winter '16-'17
Post by: Jáchym on December 09, 2016, 03:14:22 PM
http://forecast.weather.gov/MapClick.php?lon=-111.02130906673072&lat=32.235870180839655#.WEr-blxoDgY
 8-)
Im glad I live where I live (though I would probably prefer John´s location :D)
Title: Re: Winter '16-'17
Post by: ValentineWeather on December 10, 2016, 07:53:59 AM
New snow gauge working better than old cardboard style that tended to drift against gauge. This was a 6-7° snow event with light wind.
With more chunks of arctic air due (Polar Vortex) over next week temperatures could tank into that Alaska zone -15 -20 below with right conditions.
Title: Re: Winter '16-'17
Post by: Jáchym on December 10, 2016, 08:01:04 AM
I actually think that this snow depth tracking by a cam is the most accurate one, because you read the number yourself.
Title: Re: Winter '16-'17
Post by: ValentineWeather on December 10, 2016, 08:12:26 AM
Works well, usually within 1/2" of official readings I take for Cocorahs off snow board.
Title: Re: Winter '16-'17
Post by: Scalphunter on December 10, 2016, 05:45:54 PM
Having an real heat wave here  My high to day  is 2 Deg F. First time in  two weeks and better there isn't an - sign in front of the temperature digit.


John
Title: Re: Winter '16-'17
Post by: Scalphunter on December 10, 2016, 07:40:57 PM
  Alaska Temperature Extremes.
:  Highest Temperature Last 24 Hours.
:   41 at Adak...Akhiok...Atka...Shemya
:  Lowest Temperature Last 12 Hours.
:  -40 at Eagle
:
.END
Title: Re: Winter '16-'17
Post by: WheatonRon on December 10, 2016, 08:15:04 PM
  Alaska Temperature Extremes.
:  Highest Temperature Last 24 Hours.
:   41 at Adak...Akhiok...Atka...Shemya
:  Lowest Temperature Last 12 Hours.
:  -40 at Eagle
:
.END

Bring out the flip flops and bathing suits!
Title: Re: Winter '16-'17
Post by: ValentineWeather on December 11, 2016, 04:24:27 AM
I was looking at 7 day toward end I see high near 3 next Saturday. Had a feeling the near record breaking fall warmth would get its revenge at least going into winter. 

Thursday Night
 
A chance of snow. Mostly cloudy, with a low around 3.
Friday
 
A chance of snow. Mostly cloudy, with a high near 13.
Friday Night
 
A chance of snow. Mostly cloudy, with a low around -6.
Saturday
 
A slight chance of snow. Mostly cloudy and cold, with a high near 3.
Title: Re: Winter '16-'17
Post by: Jáchym on December 11, 2016, 08:33:45 AM
I was looking at 7 day toward end I see high near 3 next Saturday. Had a feeling the near record breaking fall warmth would get its revenge at least going into winter. 

Thursday Night
 
A chance of snow. Mostly cloudy, with a low around 3.
Friday
 
A chance of snow. Mostly cloudy, with a high near 13.
Friday Night
 
A chance of snow. Mostly cloudy, with a low around -6.
Saturday
 
A slight chance of snow. Mostly cloudy and cold, with a high near 3.

OK... then no bathing suits, just T-shirts  ;)
Title: Re: Winter '16-'17
Post by: Jáchym on December 11, 2016, 09:04:37 AM
Here it was quite warm the last couple of days, but today we are expecting a cold front to move in and I can already tell because it is very windy.
Title: Re: Winter '16-'17
Post by: ValentineWeather on December 11, 2016, 12:40:02 PM
I was looking at 7 day toward end I see high near 3 next Saturday. Had a feeling the near record breaking fall warmth would get its revenge at least going into winter. 

Thursday Night
 
A chance of snow. Mostly cloudy, with a low around 3.
Friday
 
A chance of snow. Mostly cloudy, with a high near 13.
Friday Night
 
A chance of snow. Mostly cloudy, with a low around -6.
Saturday
 
A slight chance of snow. Mostly cloudy and cold, with a high near 3.

OK... then no bathing suits, just T-shirts  ;)

I'm pretty much hibernating already so no sun bathing for sure.  :-)
Title: Re: Winter '16-'17
Post by: zackdog on December 11, 2016, 12:57:43 PM


[/quote]I'm pretty much hibernating already so no sun bathing for sure.  :-)
[/quote]

I'm with you there.  Had to shovel my way out to the snow board this morning.  Only had 4.9", but the wind has been ugly.  Need to snow blow driveway, but since I don't need to go anywhere today, I will wait until tomorrow.  Hopefully the snow and wind quit by then.

Mark

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Title: Re: Winter '16-'17
Post by: Jáchym on December 11, 2016, 01:28:18 PM
I wish we had a winter like that... in the recent years we did have some very low temperatures as well, but the amount of snow was negligible, and we didn´t have snow during Christmas time for over 5 years already. I remember when I was a small kid, we always had snow in December. And based on the current forecast it does not seem very promising this year. It is still relatively far away, but the current forecast is temperatures around freezing point, but no precipitation.
Title: Re: Winter '16-'17
Post by: CW2274 on December 11, 2016, 01:42:37 PM
Not even noon, 70F. :-)
Title: Re: Winter '16-'17
Post by: ValentineWeather on December 11, 2016, 02:51:10 PM
Not even 2 pm balmy 18° (-7.7 C) under full sun.
Title: Re: Winter '16-'17
Post by: Scalphunter on December 11, 2016, 05:59:46 PM
I'll take  your  balmy 18 and give you my -15 below.   looks like we are heading into another deep low temps starting next week.  forecast says low of -9 tonight. Unless  winds comes up an scourges this cold out  we are not even going to be close to that.

John
Title: Re: Winter '16-'17
Post by: Scalphunter on December 11, 2016, 06:10:23 PM
:  Alaska Temperature Extremes.
:  Highest Temperature Last 24 Hours.
:   42 at Shemya
:  Lowest Temperature Last 12 Hours.
:  -40 at Eagle
:


Beautiful  balmy day out  at Shemya. 82 deg difference between state high and low.

John
Title: Re: Winter '16-'17
Post by: ocala on December 11, 2016, 06:18:07 PM
Had to get in my pool today to adjust a a frame I made to hold up the winter cover. :-(
Had to get in for about 5 minutes up to my chest. Just guessing the water temp was about 50.
BRRRRR!

Title: Re: Winter '16-'17
Post by: Scalphunter on December 11, 2016, 06:37:46 PM
Ha ha ha  that's an good one.  Reminds of special warfare training were you were in that temp water all day and  teeth chattering  after you came out.

John
Title: Re: Winter '16-'17
Post by: Scalphunter on December 12, 2016, 03:50:53 PM
Clear and cold here this AM. Barometer is climbing and temperature is dropping as HP rebuilds into the area. At 30.63 in/hg and at 25 below zero.  Looks like it could be an 3 dog night by this evening.

Keep ole log on the fire.

John
Title: Re: Winter '16-'17
Post by: ValentineWeather on December 13, 2016, 08:56:35 AM
Looking at 3-5" snow Friday followed by -18 (-28C). After Christmas I'll be ready for some more global warming.  :lol: 
Title: Re: Winter '16-'17
Post by: ValentineWeather on December 13, 2016, 10:11:21 AM
Conus low temperatures Sunday morning. Yes this is Fahrenheit scale.
Title: Re: Winter '16-'17
Post by: Jáchym on December 13, 2016, 10:16:05 AM
Yes, it is wintertime :D
Title: Re: Winter '16-'17
Post by: zackdog on December 13, 2016, 10:18:56 AM
Looking at 3-5" snow Friday followed by -18 (-28C). After Christmas I'll be ready for some more global warming.  :lol:

I would prefer your Fri and Sat to mine.  The snow blower does not like 3-5" of snow with a high of 40°.

Mark

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Title: Re: Winter '16-'17
Post by: ValentineWeather on December 13, 2016, 10:40:43 AM
Agree if 40's is true, probably before it starts snowing, No? I spray inside of my blower with Dupont's Teflon Snow and Ice Repellent. It works for satellite dishes too.
Title: Re: Winter '16-'17
Post by: CW2274 on December 13, 2016, 01:03:11 PM
Conus low temperatures Sunday morning. Yes this is Fahrenheit scale.
Even we're getting in on the "action" this weekend after the mid 80's on Thur. Damn. Yes, it's wintertime. :sad:
Title: Re: Winter '16-'17
Post by: ValentineWeather on December 13, 2016, 01:22:13 PM
Ha, Ha... Stay warm, maybe get the short sleeve t-shirt out just in case.
Title: Re: Winter '16-'17
Post by: Jáchym on December 13, 2016, 01:42:05 PM
Lot of people say that they don´t like the long winter nights and cold, but at least there is Christmas to compensate for it. For me it is pretty much the same, except it is the other way around :D "It is Christmas, but at least it is cold and dark :D"
Title: Re: Winter '16-'17
Post by: CW2274 on December 13, 2016, 02:01:54 PM
I haven't lived in a truly colder climate since I left northern Ohio in 1979 for the Navy. Since I've hit my fifties and lost a ton of weight, I hate the cold, some extremity of mine always complains.
Title: Re: Winter '16-'17
Post by: WheatonRon on December 13, 2016, 02:28:54 PM
I haven't lived in a truly colder climate since I left northern Ohio in 1979 for the Navy. Since I've hit my fifties and lost a ton of weight, I hate the cold, some extremity of mine always complains.

I've heard that visiting, for several days, a colder climate coming from Arizona can make a person greater than before. Any truth to that theory?
Title: Re: Winter '16-'17
Post by: CW2274 on December 13, 2016, 02:39:56 PM
I haven't lived in a truly colder climate since I left northern Ohio in 1979 for the Navy. Since I've hit my fifties and lost a ton of weight, I hate the cold, some extremity of mine always complains.

I've heard that visiting, for several days, a colder climate coming from Arizona can make a person greater than before. Any truth to that theory?
Well, I went to Vegas last summer....
Title: Re: Winter '16-'17
Post by: Scalphunter on December 13, 2016, 05:35:12 PM
Love the cold and dark. Too much sun is bad for you .  make one  hot and sweaty and some folks   just don't tan well they look like walking lobsters.


John
Title: Re: Winter '16-'17
Post by: CW2274 on December 13, 2016, 06:04:43 PM
Too much sun is bad for you .
John
Just as is not enough.
Title: Re: Winter '16-'17
Post by: Jáchym on December 13, 2016, 06:12:34 PM
We are close to 20F, it will be relatively cold night (no comments John) :D
Title: Re: Winter '16-'17
Post by: BigOkie on December 13, 2016, 06:27:10 PM
Here in NE Oklahoma we will have our coldest night of the season Saturday night into Sunday morning.  The forecast low Sunday morning is 7F with winds blowing around 20 to 25 mph.  That will be brutal and will mean I will need to keep the cupboards in the kitchen open.

I don't mind the cold so much but the wind...
Title: Re: Winter '16-'17
Post by: Jáchym on December 13, 2016, 06:35:47 PM
Yes, the wind makes a huge difference. Yesterday I went to work in the morning and it was sunny and around -2C (25F). And I almost felt like I will take off my jacket. Then when I went to my part-time job at around 8PM, i.e. about 3 hours after sunset, it was around freezing point, but it was dark and windy and even with the jacket on I had to walk really fast so that I warmed up, because it felt quite cold.
Title: Re: Winter '16-'17
Post by: CW2274 on December 13, 2016, 06:36:30 PM
I will need to keep the cupboards in the kitchen open.
:?:
Title: Re: Winter '16-'17
Post by: ValentineWeather on December 13, 2016, 06:36:46 PM
Been waiting for NWS forecast to update. Confidence high they say with all models coming together.  =D>
In discussion they say these temperatures could be conservatively high by 5-10° with areas of fresh snow. -19° high  #-o

Looks like the WU best forecast model was right early on. I'll need to pay more attention now.
Title: Re: Winter '16-'17
Post by: ValentineWeather on December 13, 2016, 06:37:43 PM
I will need to keep the cupboards in the kitchen open.
:?:

Keep from freezing lines under sink. I thought you knew that trick... ;)
Title: Re: Winter '16-'17
Post by: CW2274 on December 13, 2016, 06:46:55 PM
I will need to keep the cupboards in the kitchen open.
:?:

Keep from freezing lines under sink. I thought you knew that trick... ;)
Not saying my folks didn't, but I surely never remember that as a kid, and that's in Pittsburgh and Cleveland.
Title: Re: Winter '16-'17
Post by: ocala on December 13, 2016, 07:02:10 PM
Love the cold and dark. Too much sun is bad for you .  make one  hot and sweaty and some folks   just don't tan well they look like walking lobsters.


John
While I'll disagree about the cold and dark I agree too much sun sucks.
I like the cloudy, dreary, rainy days. Probably from my time in northern Ohio.
I think I feed off the depression most people get from those days.
That is as long as it's not too cold. :-)
Title: Re: Winter '16-'17
Post by: CW2274 on December 13, 2016, 07:09:06 PM
Love the cold and dark. Too much sun is bad for you .  make one  hot and sweaty and some folks   just don't tan well they look like walking lobsters.


John
I like the cloudy, dreary, rainy days. Probably from my time in northern Ohio.
I swear there was a spring around 1972 where we didn't see the sun for three months. I was miserable, couldn't ever play baseball, too cold, wet, whatever. :mad:
Title: Re: Winter '16-'17
Post by: WheatonRon on December 13, 2016, 07:31:43 PM
I will need to keep the cupboards in the kitchen open.
:?:

Keep from freezing lines under sink. I thought you knew that trick... ;)
Not saying my folks didn't, but I surely never remember that as a kid, and that's in Pittsburgh and Cleveland.

Opening the cupboards is the right way to ensure proper ventilation (when experiencing sub zero temperatures) under the sink occurs--a person does not need, want, or have frozen pipes under the sink!
Title: Re: Winter '16-'17
Post by: Scalphunter on December 13, 2016, 07:41:35 PM
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Just as is not enough.

 Not an lot of sun found in an Engine room yet I  never been really sick beyond an cold in the 45 years of going to sea.  it was standing watch then  to bed to catch up on sleep.  Maybe some thing to it for those  in those 3 X 5 cubicals in the offices. Hmmmm under 4 hours of  daylight now.


John

Title: Re: Winter '16-'17
Post by: Scalphunter on December 13, 2016, 07:45:50 PM
Another trick is to just let the water trickle  thru the faucet. As long as it is moving it won't freeze up.

John
Title: Re: Winter '16-'17
Post by: CW2274 on December 13, 2016, 07:50:36 PM
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Just as is not enough.

 Not an lot of sun found in an Engine room yet I  never been really sick beyond an cold in the 45 years of going to sea.  it was standing watch then  to bed to catch up on sleep.  Maybe some thing to it for those  in those 3 X 5 cubicals in the offices. Hmmmm under 4 hours of  daylight now.


John
ALL living things acclimate or there would be no life.
Title: Re: Winter '16-'17
Post by: Scalphunter on December 13, 2016, 07:55:12 PM
:  Alaska Temperature Extremes.
:  Highest Temperature Last 24 Hours.
:   46 at Dutch Harbor
:  Lowest Temperature Last 12 Hours.
:  -38 at Northway
:
.END

Looking ahead in the forecast  looks like we are going to warm up to above the  zero mark with snow  for the week end. Nothing  better then sitting  by the fire watching the snow come down with  hot buttered rum in hand. Once in awhile some one goes by on a dogless sled.

John
Title: Re: Winter '16-'17
Post by: BigOkie on December 13, 2016, 08:28:05 PM
Another trick is to just let the water trickle  thru the faucet. As long as it is moving it won't freeze up.

John

I do that as well, but I also have a house with a crawl space.  I close the vents in the winter.  Never have had any pipes freeze (older 1950s home) but never hurts to get in the habit of letting water run and opening the cabinets/cupboards in the kitchen.
Title: Re: Winter '16-'17
Post by: WheatonRon on December 13, 2016, 08:37:26 PM
Another trick is to just let the water trickle  thru the faucet. As long as it is moving it won't freeze up.

John

I do that as well, but I also have a house with a crawl space.  I close the vents in the winter.  Never have had any pipes freeze (older 1950s home) but never hurts to get in the habit of letting water run and opening the cabinets/cupboards in the kitchen.

Local "greenies" want an ordinance to prohibit running water in the wintertime for such purposes! Another government intrusion we don't need or want!
Title: Re: Winter '16-'17
Post by: BigOkie on December 13, 2016, 08:42:29 PM
Another trick is to just let the water trickle  thru the faucet. As long as it is moving it won't freeze up.

John

I do that as well, but I also have a house with a crawl space.  I close the vents in the winter.  Never have had any pipes freeze (older 1950s home) but never hurts to get in the habit of letting water run and opening the cabinets/cupboards in the kitchen.

Local "greenies" want an ordinance to prohibit running water in the wintertime for such purposes! Another government intrusion we don't need or want!

I'm as liberal as they get but that's just stupid.  If you do it right, you can barely use 20 gallons of water overnight letting your faucet run.  My parents always thought you needed to leave them all running...not true.  Just one is sufficient and I usually use the one the furthest from the main entry (in this case it would be the kitchen).
Title: Re: Winter '16-'17
Post by: ocala on December 13, 2016, 08:49:26 PM
If you guys have clear skies tonight look at how bright that moon is!
Was just out on the deck and can't believe the shadows I was seeing.
Seems brighter than last months super moon.
Title: Re: Winter '16-'17
Post by: ValentineWeather on December 13, 2016, 09:13:08 PM
Yes very bright tonight.
Title: Re: Winter '16-'17
Post by: Scalphunter on December 14, 2016, 01:17:42 AM
Last night and this morning was really bright with all the snow we got on the ground and trees.

John
Title: Re: Winter '16-'17
Post by: Jáchym on December 14, 2016, 06:42:28 AM
Cold night and daily maximum today will not be above freezing point. And we have snow :) Not much, but better than nothing :)
Title: Re: Winter '16-'17
Post by: ValentineWeather on December 14, 2016, 07:41:03 AM
Latest UW-NMS Model going out 96 hours for conus.  My location 6-8"  :grin:.
Title: Re: Winter '16-'17
Post by: zackdog on December 15, 2016, 12:28:33 PM
This is ridiculous.  Middle of December and got a couple inches of snow during the day yesterday while the temps were in the mid 20s and then, as night came, the temperature went up and we got more snow when it was in the mid 30s.

Did not have a fun time blowing out the driveway this morning.  When I started at 7:45 it was 38.4° and when I finished at 9:00 it was 40.0°.  The auger on the snowblower was completely encased in snow.

It is cloudy and this was at ~10:00 this morning.  This is more like March weather.

Mark
Title: Re: Winter '16-'17
Post by: ValentineWeather on December 15, 2016, 12:44:05 PM
This is ridiculous.  Middle of December and got a couple inches of snow during the day yesterday while the temps were in the mid 20s and then, as night came, the temperature went up and we got more snow when it was in the mid 30s.

Did not have a fun time blowing out the driveway this morning.  When I started at 7:45 it was 38.4° and when I finished at 9:00 it was 40.0°.  The auger on the snowblower was completely encased in snow.

It is cloudy and this was at ~10:00 this morning.  This is more like March weather.

Mark

So looks like the WU/WC forecast was right about 40's and you didn't overnight a can of Dupont Snow/Ice repellent.  :shock:
Title: Re: Winter '16-'17
Post by: Aardvark on December 15, 2016, 12:50:19 PM
Very cold this week again, Saturday the forecast is for -10F for the night.  Some snow as well and wind.   Wind for me goes two ways, it either blows the snow elsewhere or huge drifts.

Supposed to moderate on Monday but there is a high pressure moving East, so you NE New England types and Nova Scotia,  put on another pair of nickers..  It is going to be a 4 dog night
Title: Re: Winter '16-'17
Post by: ValentineWeather on December 15, 2016, 02:44:48 PM
Through the 15th Dec. avg. high 29F, avg low 5F. 7 days now below zero with coldest day still to come this weekend.  -7 daytime High and -18 low Saturday could be on conservative side (-18F) should winds decouple overnight -25 is possible.
Title: Re: Winter '16-'17
Post by: zackdog on December 15, 2016, 03:20:03 PM
This is ridiculous.  Middle of December and got a couple inches of snow during the day yesterday while the temps were in the mid 20s and then, as night came, the temperature went up and we got more snow when it was in the mid 30s.

Did not have a fun time blowing out the driveway this morning.  When I started at 7:45 it was 38.4° and when I finished at 9:00 it was 40.0°.  The auger on the snowblower was completely encased in snow.

It is cloudy and this was at ~10:00 this morning.  This is more like March weather.

Mark

So looks like the WU/WC forecast was right about 40's and you didn't overnight a can of Dupont Snow/Ice repellent.  :shock:

Just got back from Safeway, hardware and Liquor stores.  Picked up two cans of the Dupont ice and snow repellent, got some groceries and beer.  WU forecast 3-5" tomorrow with temps not getting below freezing until late tomorrow night.  NWS has issued a winter storm warning for the area with 8-16" of snow and strong winds through noon Saturday.  Don't think I will be going anywhere for the next few days.

It is not snowing, but by the time I got home from the stores, I had foot tall drifts in the driveway.  I can't believe the wind can pick up the snow at 42°  #-o

Mark
Title: Re: Winter '16-'17
Post by: CW2274 on December 15, 2016, 04:41:03 PM
This is ridiculous.  Middle of December and got a couple inches of snow during the day yesterday while the temps were in the mid 20s and then, as night came, the temperature went up and we got more snow when it was in the mid 30s.

Did not have a fun time blowing out the driveway this morning.  When I started at 7:45 it was 38.4° and when I finished at 9:00 it was 40.0°.  The auger on the snowblower was completely encased in snow.

It is cloudy and this was at ~10:00 this morning.  This is more like March weather.

Mark

So looks like the WU/WC forecast was right about 40's and you didn't overnight a can of Dupont Snow/Ice repellent.  :shock:

Just got back from Safeway, hardware and Liquor stores.
Mark
I just did all that too, except I did it so as not to get the car dirty. :-P
Title: Re: Winter '16-'17
Post by: ValentineWeather on December 15, 2016, 04:53:06 PM


Picked up two cans of the Dupont ice and snow repellent, got some groceries and beer
Mark

 \:D/
Title: Re: Winter '16-'17
Post by: WheatonRon on December 15, 2016, 04:55:50 PM
The Bears and the Packers have a game in Soldier Field in Chicago on Sunday. High, yes the high, is forecasted to be -5!  Too cold?  😀☃🏈
Title: Re: Winter '16-'17
Post by: ValentineWeather on December 15, 2016, 05:32:41 PM
The Bears and the Packers have a game in Soldier Field in Chicago on Sunday. High, yes the high, is forecasted to be -5!  Too cold?  😀☃🏈

Ouch! Gonna hurt getting and making tackles. I dumped Directv for PSVue streaming this week so no more Sunday Ticket but do get Redzone and the game on local networks. So far liking the Vue cloud DVR for 1/3 the cost of satellite.
Title: Re: Winter '16-'17
Post by: Scalphunter on December 15, 2016, 05:33:14 PM
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is forecasted to be -5!  Too cold
  Naw just right.

  Down to an  one dog night here tonight. It is 9 above  zero and expected to reach 18 above by Sunday thanks to two nasty storms in the Bering.   First one going thru now is bring storm force winds and freezing rain to the west coast, St Lawerence, St Matthew and the  Chain. The  2nd one  coming on the heels of this one will impact the area with hurricane force winds, snow and freezing rains. Winds forecasted around 75 kt. Blowing snow and freezing rains  depending where you are located along the front. Here in the interior it is expected to push out the cold and move it east and south  and also give us  couple inches of powder also.

John
Title: Re: Winter '16-'17
Post by: WheatonRon on December 15, 2016, 06:53:30 PM
The Bears and the Packers have a game in Soldier Field in Chicago on Sunday. High, yes the high, is forecasted to be -5!  Too cold?  😀☃🏈

Ouch! Gonna hurt getting and making tackles. I dumped Directv for PSVue streaming this week so no more Sunday Ticket but do get Redzone and the game on local networks. So far liking the Vue cloud DVR for 1/3 the cost of satellite.

Does PSVue offer DVR service including the ability to pause live TV?
Title: Re: Winter '16-'17
Post by: ValentineWeather on December 15, 2016, 07:26:23 PM
The Bears and the Packers have a game in Soldier Field in Chicago on Sunday. High, yes the high, is forecasted to be -5!  Too cold?  😀☃🏈

Ouch! Gonna hurt getting and making tackles. I dumped Directv for PSVue streaming this week so no more Sunday Ticket but do get Redzone and the game on local networks. So far liking the Vue cloud DVR for 1/3 the cost of satellite.

Does PSVue offer DVR service including the ability to pause live TV?

Yes its very slick. It DVR's all channels automatically 7 days and will keep specified show added to favorite  1 month. What I found now I'm checking out shows I normally didn't watch and usually confirm why...
Really its better than typical DVR in many ways. Downfall some networks like CBS aren't available but they have their own streaming subscription separate. 
I get all local networks from different source so no biggy for me. Best device for viewing if no PlayStation is FireTv box, stay away from under powered sticks. It works on Roku also but no guide.

Title: Re: Winter '16-'17
Post by: ocala on December 15, 2016, 08:30:35 PM
Remember the Packers and Boys from the Ice Bowl in 67?
That was cold.
Title: Re: Winter '16-'17
Post by: WheatonRon on December 15, 2016, 08:45:27 PM
Remember the Packers and Boys from the Ice Bowl in 67?
That was cold.

Yes, I am old enough to remember. I was living in Denver, CO at the time and wondered why anyone would want to live in the Midwest, particularly during the winter. Now completing 25 years in the Chicago area. 
Title: Re: Winter '16-'17
Post by: chief-david on December 15, 2016, 09:46:00 PM
up to 8" of snow coming
Then possible 32 next week-first day of winter
Title: Re: Winter '16-'17
Post by: ValentineWeather on December 15, 2016, 09:52:08 PM
Looks similar here with less snow maybe.
Title: Re: Winter '16-'17
Post by: Scalphunter on December 16, 2016, 12:23:34 AM


 You mean they going to have an old fashion winter like  they use to.  When I grew  up back there the old timers would talk about taking oxen out to moose Peak LBS and haul the life/surf boat  out of the ice.  Moose peak  was  about 6 miles off the mainland in the bay that would  freeze over.  seen many a times 20 and 30 below on the coast and Aroostic county would hit 40 below  up at Jackman and Caribou maine in the 50's.

John
Title: Re: Winter '16-'17
Post by: zackdog on December 16, 2016, 02:07:35 PM


Picked up two cans of the Dupont ice and snow repellent, got some groceries and beer
Mark

 \:D/

With a winter storm warning for the area, I decided that I had better blow out the drifts formed yesterday when it was 40° this morning.  It was right at freezing but it was pretty sloppy.  Randy, thanks for the tip on the Dupont snow/ice repellent, I was impressed.  Here are a couple pics that show what a difference it made.

Mark

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Title: Re: Winter '16-'17
Post by: Jáchym on December 16, 2016, 02:16:02 PM
Is that screenshot from your webcam? Can people watch how hard you are working? :D
Title: Re: Winter '16-'17
Post by: zackdog on December 16, 2016, 02:57:58 PM
Yes :grin:

Mark
Title: Re: Winter '16-'17
Post by: ValentineWeather on December 16, 2016, 04:22:28 PM
Good deal, few other things I've used it on under wheel wells on truck, ATV, padlocks and satellite dish. You do need to reapply between storms.
Title: Re: Winter '16-'17
Post by: Scalphunter on December 16, 2016, 09:04:22 PM
  Think we  are having summer here after 2 weeks  of close to the -30 mark.  here is week end forecast.


Tonight

Mostly cloudy, with a temperature rising to around 18 by 4am. East wind 5 to 10 mph.


Saturday

Snow likely between 9am and 3pm, then scattered snow showers after 3pm. Cloudy, with a high near 19. East wind around 5 mph becoming west in the morning. Chance of precipitation is 70%. New snow accumulation of 2 to 4 inches possible.


Saturday Night

Scattered snow showers before 3am. Mostly cloudy, with a low around 8. East wind 5 to 15 mph. Chance of precipitation is 50%.


Sunday

Increasing clouds, with a high near 14. East wind 10 to 15 mph.


 Looks like  good time  to got set by an ice hole and watch the  tip ups.  sure nice to go out  with out all the heavy gear on.

John
Title: Re: Winter '16-'17
Post by: Jáchym on December 16, 2016, 09:11:30 PM
I might change my mind about moving to Alaska afterall... I don't like summer
Title: Re: Winter '16-'17
Post by: ValentineWeather on December 16, 2016, 09:16:46 PM
Jáchym did you see I added the WU banner with metric. Couldn't do both scales with the Cumulus banner.
Title: Re: Winter '16-'17
Post by: chief-david on December 16, 2016, 09:25:11 PM
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Quote
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Sunday

Increasing clouds, with a high near 14. East wind 10 to 15 mph.

I will be getting your cold air
Sunday: Sunny and cold, with a high near -6. Wind chill values as low as -34. West wind around 5 mph becoming south in the afternoon.
Title: Re: Winter '16-'17
Post by: ValentineWeather on December 16, 2016, 09:34:18 PM
Snow amount was a bust really. Only 2.5" new 4" total but with wind its rearranging. Our high tomorrow will be what ever it is at midnight in 3 1/2 hrs. -20's tomorrow night they are saying. Coldest air since 2011, I believe I heard today.
Title: Re: Winter '16-'17
Post by: WheatonRon on December 16, 2016, 09:52:40 PM
Snow amount was a bust really. Only 2.5" new 4" total but with wind its rearranging. Our high tomorrow will be what ever it is at midnight in 3 1/2 hrs. -20's tomorrow night they are saying. Coldest air since 2011, I believe I heard today.

Remember to send that air to Chicago! The Bears and Packers look forward to the frozen tundra at Soldier Field, Sunday at noon, CST! A chance to break a temperature record as shown below.


Coldest home games in Bears history

Dec. 22, 2008 vs. Packers: 2 degrees, -13 wind chill

Dec. 18, 1983 vs. Packers: 3 degrees, -15 wind chill

Jan. 10, 1988 vs. Redskins: 4 degrees, -12 wind chill

Coldest games in NFL history

Dec. 31, 1967: Cowboys at Packers, NFC title game, -13, -48 wind chill

Jan. 10, 1982: Chargers at Bengals, AFC title game, -9, -59 wind chill

Jan. 10, 2016: Seahawks at Vikings, NFC divisional playoff, -6, -25 wind chill
Title: Re: Winter '16-'17
Post by: Jáchym on December 16, 2016, 09:56:00 PM
Jáchym did you see I added the WU banner with metric. Couldn't do both scales with the Cumulus banner.

Nice  :grin:

Though I have to say that given how much time I spent with imperial units over the last two years I pretty much have an idea about what that particular value feels like for both metric and imperial
Title: Re: Winter '16-'17
Post by: ValentineWeather on December 16, 2016, 10:05:31 PM

Remember to send that air to Chicago! The Bears and Packers look forward to the frozen tundra at Soldier Field Sunday at noon, CST!
 

On its way



Nice  :grin:

Though I have to say that given how much time I spent with imperial units over the last two years I pretty much have an idea about what that particular value feels like for both metric and imperial

I'm still bad at converting I have a conversion link on my desktop.
Title: Re: Winter '16-'17
Post by: Jáchym on December 16, 2016, 10:12:06 PM
Ok so something for you to practice   :grin:

It is now - 6c here
Title: Re: Winter '16-'17
Post by: PaulMy on December 16, 2016, 10:35:09 PM

Quote
It is now - 6c here
A quick conversion... -6°C
-6 * 2 = -12
-12 less 10% = -11
-11 from 32 = 21°F


Paul
Title: Re: Winter '16-'17
Post by: ValentineWeather on December 16, 2016, 10:36:19 PM
Ok so something for you to practice   :grin:

It is now - 6c here

The way I think without doing the formula I use simple math in my head working off what I know 0C=32 and 1C=1.8F ...  do the subtraction 32-10.8=21.2F
I'm getting better at recognition within ballpark but still not there.
Title: Re: Winter '16-'17
Post by: WheatonRon on December 16, 2016, 10:39:20 PM
Jáchym did you see I added the WU banner with metric. Couldn't do both scales with the Cumulus banner.

Nice  :grin:

Though I have to say that given how much time I spent with imperial units over the last two years I pretty much have an idea about what that particular value feels like for both metric and imperial

My car (German made) displays outside temperature in centigrade. Since that number doesn't mean anything to me (whether I should be happy or not), I just double that C temperature, subtract 10% and add 32! Close enough. For example, if my car shows the outside temperature is 10C, you double that to 20, subtract 10% or 2, gives you 18. Then add 32. The result is 50F!
Title: Re: Winter '16-'17
Post by: chief-david on December 16, 2016, 11:04:40 PM
Don't complain about cold weather for a football game.Just think of the Bud Grant method.

Former Vikings head coach Bud Grant, age 88, went out and took the ceremonial coin toss before the Vikings and Seahawks wild-card game on Sunday. He did so in a short-sleeved golf shirt.

It is -6 degrees outside in Minnesota right now. (at game time)

Bud Grant to NFL staffer: "Would you hold my jacket while I go out for the toss & show how we love this weather?
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CYYNNXrVAAAxGJW.jpg)
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CYYK9FqUAAAmhKq.jpg)

Cold is just a state of mind.
Title: Re: Winter '16-'17
Post by: WheatonRon on December 16, 2016, 11:12:20 PM
Don't complain about cold weather for a football game.Just think of the Bud Grant method.

Former Vikings head coach Bud Grant, age 88, went out and took the ceremonial coin toss before the Vikings and Seahawks wild-card game on Sunday. He did so in a short-sleeved golf shirt.

It is -6 degrees outside in Minnesota right now. (at game time)

Bud Grant to NFL staffer: "Would you hold my jacket while I go out for the toss & show how we love this weather?
Cold is just a state of mind.

Was this last year's wild card game? The playoffs don't happen til January! 
Title: Re: Winter '16-'17
Post by: chief-david on December 16, 2016, 11:17:00 PM
Yes, the wide left playoff game. Yeah, last January. But football can be cold. Just make sure the balls are inflated properly.
Title: Re: Winter '16-'17
Post by: cospringswx on December 17, 2016, 12:45:28 AM
Reached a high of 61 today. From 8pm this evening until 10pm there was a 40 degree drop in temp.
Title: Re: Winter '16-'17
Post by: CW2274 on December 17, 2016, 01:47:34 AM
From 8pm this evening until 10pm there was a 40 degree drop in temp.
:shock:
Title: Re: Winter '16-'17
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Title: Re: Winter '16-'17
Post by: BigOkie on December 17, 2016, 09:34:39 AM
Reached a high of 61 today. From 8pm this evening until 10pm there was a 40 degree drop in temp.

Sofar for me in NE Oklahoma it's been about 23 degrees since midnight.  By 5pm we'll drop another 10-15 degrees with a low of 7 tomorrow morning.

This is quite the Arctic front.
Title: Re: Winter '16-'17
Post by: zackdog on December 17, 2016, 09:55:19 AM
The deep freeze did not make it over the Divide, but at least the temperature dropped into the teens.  Pretty much all of the stations on the Front Range are reporting subzero temperatures while the ones west of the Divide are pretty much in the teens.  I ended up getting 6.5" of snow, the bulk of it coming after the temperature dropped below freezing.  Going to get my exercise this morning with the snow blower.

Mark
Title: Re: Winter '16-'17
Post by: cospringswx on December 17, 2016, 12:21:25 PM
Mark it made it to the Springs.
Title: Re: Winter '16-'17
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Title: Re: Winter '16-'17
Post by: Bunty on December 17, 2016, 12:29:50 PM
Reached a high of 61 today. From 8pm this evening until 10pm there was a 40 degree drop in temp.

Sofar for me in NE Oklahoma it's been about 23 degrees since midnight.  By 5pm we'll drop another 10-15 degrees with a low of 7 tomorrow morning.

This is quite the Arctic front.

Latest Snow Total Projection for Oklahoma by Oklahoma City meteorologist Aaron Tuttle:

As we've talked about the last few days, this snow event really isn't much to write home about. A few lucky individuals under these tiny narrow snow bands could pick up 2" or so but the rest of us will have to settle from a either flurries, to a dusting, to an inch. The model isn't good enough to nail the exact position of these bands but gives you a general idea as does this snowfall map. The OKC snow is roughly 4-7pm. Enjoy the day, stay warm, and be safe! -AT

(https://scontent-dft4-2.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t31.0-8/15625584_1409442842408472_2826640007769352123_o.png?oh=c72bbe7992c8fc995a66531d4c75cacf&oe=58E5EB65)

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Title: Re: Winter '16-'17
Post by: Aardvark on December 17, 2016, 12:43:52 PM
Most of the snow is up in Northern Iowa, but today the big deal is the wind behind this system, the windchills are to be brutal in Iowa tonight.  Trying to convince my granddaughter to stay at home and not go with friends.   

http://www.weather.gov/images/dmx/WxStory/FileL.png?rand=58748
Title: Re: Winter '16-'17
Post by: ValentineWeather on December 17, 2016, 01:02:28 PM
For anyone wanting to add the Official state snow forecast map, just fill in state abbreviation and paste link where wanted on website. It updates several times a day.

Code: [Select]
http://www.weather.gov/images/erh/gis/OK_state_Snow.png here is Oklahoma

http://www.weather.gov/images/erh/gis/OK_state_Snow.png
Title: Re: Winter '16-'17
Post by: Maumelle Weather on December 17, 2016, 01:15:05 PM
Awesome find!!!!!  Thanks for the link!!

John
Title: Re: Winter '16-'17
Post by: ValentineWeather on December 17, 2016, 01:23:13 PM
Your welcome

For anyone unfamiliar with php image insertion bracket link like this. You can add center code resize it or what ever.

Code: [Select]
<img src="http://www.weather.gov/images/erh/gis/NE_state_Snow.png"> This is Nebraska NE
Title: Re: Winter '16-'17
Post by: BigOkie on December 17, 2016, 02:19:50 PM
Yeah, they are saying maybe an inch here in NE Oklahoma however they're not sure what it will be.  It's already started with the freezing rain (which I hate; I'm going downtown tonight to a hockey game) and then sleet and MAYBE snow.  Oklahomans are notoriously terrible drivers in inclement weather.
Title: Re: Winter '16-'17
Post by: ValentineWeather on December 17, 2016, 02:39:35 PM
The big question around here is will we break the old daily record of -23 °F (1983) at airport.

Normally this would be a no-brainer its -4 °F currently with full sun but the warmer air to the west may start filtering back in overnight preventing what would of been record shattering -30 night, so its a wait and see what happens.

My guess the -23 gets threatened around 12 am and then levels out toward morning instead of continuing to drop and hope I'm wrong.

Correction tomorrows record low (in the morning) is -28 °F (1983) Doubtful. For any record to be set will need -24 before midnight tonight. Possible I guess.
Title: Re: Winter '16-'17
Post by: Scalphunter on December 17, 2016, 03:55:42 PM
 Woke up this AM to 24  degrees above nothing.  Started climbing last night and continue thru the  night. This warm air is the results of the 2 big storms  out in the Cradle of Storms.  They are  going to get an third storm  this week end with  hurricane force winds again. marine charts last night showing 50 ft waves.  great sleeping weather at sea.  Throw mattress on the deck and  snooze away.


John
Title: Re: Winter '16-'17
Post by: ValentineWeather on December 17, 2016, 09:04:41 PM
Think that -23 record may fall before midnight. -20 F at 8pm, airport already -22. Went outside to inspect what I thought was smoke coming off house, turned out just steam off water heater vent. Anyway my nostrils freeze together around the -19 mark.  :-)
Title: Re: Winter '16-'17
Post by: Jáchym on December 17, 2016, 09:08:04 PM
Based on current forecast it looks like this Christmas will be absolutely average in terms of temperature, but no snow. There is not likely to be any precipitation until Saturday. There is also significant inversion right now, much warmer in the mountains.
Title: Re: Winter '16-'17
Post by: ValentineWeather on December 18, 2016, 01:38:48 AM
This is crazy.
Title: Re: Winter '16-'17
Post by: Bunty on December 18, 2016, 02:24:16 AM
LOL, Oklahoma City meteorologist Aaron Tuttle commented on Facebook tonight.  "Never experienced a strong earthquake with a wind chill of -10 before!"  He was referring to the 3.7 in magnitude earthquake that happened tonight, centered 4 miles NE of the Oklahoma City suburb of Edmond.  Hopefully, that hot spot for earthquakes that had settled down isn't trying to act up again.  I didn't notice it.  I must have been too far away.  That earthquake was next to Lake Arkadia.  It inspired speculation that the earthquakes in that area were caused from the weight of the water filling the lake back up after a severe drought  was soundly broken.

Meanwhile, lows here are headed to near zero, if not below.  It hasn't gotten below zero here since February 2011.  The snow went by providing only a heavy frosting.
Title: Re: Winter '16-'17
Post by: WeatherHost on December 18, 2016, 04:08:26 AM
^^  That may have just been the ground shivering from the cold.


;-)

Title: Re: Winter '16-'17
Post by: ValentineWeather on December 18, 2016, 04:32:26 AM
I'm down to -31 in town. My other station on ranch just east of town -34, unbelievable.  And the warmup promised still waiting. Both these stations have the accurate sht31 and I have dual stations both reading within a few tenths each other. (all aspirated if the fans haven't froze)

 Airport also -31 with -52 windchill.
Title: Re: Winter '16-'17
Post by: Scalphunter on December 18, 2016, 05:24:02 AM
Nice Alaskan temps there valentine
Title: Re: Winter '16-'17
Post by: ValentineWeather on December 18, 2016, 05:40:04 AM
Nice Alaskan temps there valentine

Lol, just got off phone with NWS about it.
Title: Re: Winter '16-'17
Post by: Scalphunter on December 18, 2016, 06:14:18 AM
We warmed up here 13  above  and no snow it by bypassed us.

John
Title: Re: Winter '16-'17
Post by: Jáchym on December 18, 2016, 08:12:27 AM
OK I was about to post about our temps here, but based on what Ive just read here I will only summarize it and say we are currently in the middle of summer :D
Title: Re: Winter '16-'17
Post by: ValentineWeather on December 18, 2016, 10:11:57 AM
This is part of public statement NWS put out about the temperatures last night.

 
OK I was about to post about our temps here, but based on what Ive just read here I will only summarize it and say we are currently in the middle of summer :D
   UU
Title: Re: Winter '16-'17
Post by: zackdog on December 18, 2016, 10:18:26 AM
Bet you enjoyed going out to do your CoCo readings. :lol:

Mark
Title: Re: Winter '16-'17
Post by: Bunty on December 18, 2016, 10:19:55 AM
In the Stillwater area the lows, ranged from -1.1 in a fairly rural far north side location to +2.9 here, the most urban of the WU stations.  Oklahoma City tied a record low of 4.
Title: Re: Winter '16-'17
Post by: Bunty on December 18, 2016, 10:32:19 AM
I'm down to -31 in town. My other station on ranch just east of town -34, unbelievable.  And the warmup promised still waiting. Both these stations have the accurate sht31 and I have dual stations both reading within a few tenths each other. (all aspirated if the fans haven't froze)

 Airport also -31 with -52 windchill.

Never felt weather that serious cold.  Near zero with a breeze blowing is bad enough for me.  For fun, do what someone in the Oklahoma City area did this morning.  He threw a pan of boiling water into the near zero air. It vaporized.   He sent a video of it to one of KFOR-4's weathermen, and he put it on the air.  The weatherman said Christmas weekend may be the next bad period. 
Title: Re: Winter '16-'17
Post by: ValentineWeather on December 18, 2016, 10:45:07 AM
Bet you enjoyed going out to do your CoCo readings. :lol:

Mark
Yeah it was fun...LOL ...I did put in comments it was -31


Never felt weather that serious cold. 

I actually went out when -30 just so say I did it. Only for a couple minutes.
Title: Re: Winter '16-'17
Post by: BigOkie on December 18, 2016, 10:59:00 AM
In the Stillwater area the lows, ranged from -1.1 in a fairly rural far north side location to +2.9 here, the most urban of the WU stations.  Oklahoma City tied a record low of 4.

My low this morning was 4, however the Tulsa Int'l Airport (where the official reading is taken) tied a record for the date at 3.  They forecast a low of 7.  If that trend holds up, they forecast a low of 4 for tomorrow morning...we could be close to 0.

In other good news, my brand new windows in the house performed well.  Old windows would feel like ice cubes to the touch (and some would have frost on them).  New ones felt about ambient room temp and just the slightest of condensation inside the windows (due to me running the humidifier likely).
Title: Re: Winter '16-'17
Post by: chief-david on December 18, 2016, 11:26:12 AM
Low of -18F    low wind chill of -35
But very sunny  High of -6F

I had to go out and get kid 1 to work. Started car. Cleaned a little snow. It is not so bad without wind and in the sun.

23 tomorrow.
Title: Re: Winter '16-'17
Post by: ocala on December 18, 2016, 12:11:34 PM
Winter??
Curently 81 with a DP of 72.
Downright sticky outside.
Title: Re: Winter '16-'17
Post by: Jáchym on December 18, 2016, 12:30:11 PM
Came to work about 5 hours ago. It was around freezing point and overcast. I did not really pay attention to what is going on outside and it also gets dark very early now. Now I just took a break and opened the news... and I found out that the public transport is paralyzed and lot of car accidents because of the sudden heavy snowfall... and indeed... I looked outside and there is about 10-15cm of snow and it is snowing a lot. Im really looking forward to going to my part-time job in about 2 hours :D it is about half an hour away from my office here... It is not unusual to get snow at this time of the year of course and 15cm is not that much, however it was very unexpected so people were not prepared for it. Threre was also lot of accidents during the night because there was glaze on the roads and both the major highways were closed due to lot of accidents, in one on of them there was over 15 cars damaged.
Title: Re: Winter '16-'17
Post by: ocala on December 18, 2016, 12:41:33 PM
29 in NW Alabama.
79 in SE Alabama.
That's a serious cold front.
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Title: Re: Winter '16-'17
Post by: Scalphunter on December 18, 2016, 03:22:48 PM
What is fun is have 2 weeks of minus 25 to minus 30 and then warm up. The roads now are making their own ice as the cold in the roads hits the warmer air. Can get to be an ice rink out there.

John
Title: Re: Winter '16-'17
Post by: alexstaar on December 18, 2016, 05:09:16 PM
Nice Alaskan temps there valentine

Lol, just got off phone with NWS about it.

That is seriously impressive! And we are here shivering at 25ş in TN! lol  :lol:

By the way, that temp would make you the coldest location in the US according to the page linked on your site. Aberdeen, SD was also at -37ş this morning.
Title: Re: Winter '16-'17
Post by: ValentineWeather on December 18, 2016, 05:47:02 PM
Nice Alaskan temps there valentine

Lol, just got off phone with NWS about it.

That is seriously impressive! And we are here shivering at 25ş in TN! lol  :lol:

By the way, that temp would make you the coldest location in the US according to the page linked on your site. Aberdeen, SD was also at -37ş this morning.

Yes that's the station I put in at friends place who has 150 acres on edge of town. However its not an officially recognized site but I along with the forecaster this morning agreed the SHT31's were accurate. He seemed to be knowledgeable and mentioned he had a PWS .

Valentine Airport was official tied with 3 other stations as lowest in lower 48. Aberdeen, SD being lowest. My station in town was also -31.   
Title: Re: Winter '16-'17
Post by: CW2274 on December 18, 2016, 05:58:15 PM
Nice Alaskan temps there valentine

Lol, just got off phone with NWS about it.

That is seriously impressive! And we are here shivering at 25ş in TN! lol  :lol:

By the way, that temp would make you the coldest location in the US according to the page linked on your site. Aberdeen, SD was also at -37ş this morning.
My station in town was also -31.   
My low was literally 60F warmer than you, but that's STILL below freezing. :-#
Title: Re: Winter '16-'17
Post by: Jáchym on December 18, 2016, 06:00:36 PM
Oymyakon currently: -48F

Now we´re talking :D
Title: Re: Winter '16-'17
Post by: Scalphunter on December 18, 2016, 08:01:42 PM
That next month as the temps drop. In an Chinook episode  at the present. 13 was high. hovering around 9 above now. Down slopes winds  around 15 in gust.

John



Title: Re: Winter '16-'17
Post by: Bunty on December 18, 2016, 08:59:26 PM
Came to work about 5 hours ago. It was around freezing point and overcast. I did not really pay attention to what is going on outside and it also gets dark very early now. Now I just took a break and opened the news... and I found out that the public transport is paralyzed and lot of car accidents because of the sudden heavy snowfall... and indeed... I looked outside and there is about 10-15cm of snow and it is snowing a lot. Im really looking forward to going to my part-time job in about 2 hours :D it is about half an hour away from my office here... It is not unusual to get snow at this time of the year of course and 15cm is not that much, however it was very unexpected so people were not prepared for it. Threre was also lot of accidents during the night because there was glaze on the roads and both the major highways were closed due to lot of accidents, in one on of them there was over 15 cars damaged.

Unexpected freezing drizzle that made streets slick surprised drivers in Oklahoma City last Thursday evening:  http://kfor.com/2016/12/15/emergency-crews-respond-to-one-fatal-over-60-injury-crashes-in-oklahoma-city/ (http://kfor.com/2016/12/15/emergency-crews-respond-to-one-fatal-over-60-injury-crashes-in-oklahoma-city/)
Title: Re: Winter '16-'17
Post by: ValentineWeather on December 18, 2016, 09:04:22 PM
My low was literally 60F warmer than you, but that's STILL below freezing. :-#

2° and its 21° warmer than same time last night. The real cold stuff has moved on.  :sad:
Title: Re: Winter '16-'17
Post by: hankster on December 18, 2016, 09:21:27 PM
All time record high of 86 in Fort Myers FL today. Forecast high of 87 tomorrow. It's been a very hot December here.
Title: Re: Winter '16-'17
Post by: zackdog on December 19, 2016, 09:35:36 AM
Finally, back to a more typical December weather pattern. :grin: 

Mark

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Title: Re: Winter '16-'17
Post by: Jáchym on December 19, 2016, 12:26:24 PM
Published yesterday, interesting :D

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/embed/0DKaD_htPPk[/youtube]
Title: Re: Winter '16-'17
Post by: ValentineWeather on December 19, 2016, 12:40:39 PM
Not much confidence in this yet but Christmas day early forecast 8-12" snow. Euro model keeps strengthening so its got forecasters on edge of a potential big storm. 
Title: Re: Winter '16-'17
Post by: Bunty on December 20, 2016, 12:29:35 PM
Not much confidence in this yet but Christmas day early forecast 8-12" snow. Euro model keeps strengthening so its got forecasters on edge of a potential big storm.

No White Christmas in Oklahoma:  http://aarontuttleweather.com/2016/12/19/hopes-dreams-white-christmas-ends-today/ (http://aarontuttleweather.com/2016/12/19/hopes-dreams-white-christmas-ends-today/)
Title: Re: Winter '16-'17
Post by: Scalphunter on December 20, 2016, 03:12:51 PM
Days getting shorter and shorter. 1100 hours  here and the sun is just peeking over the horizon.   After tomorrow  they will start getting longer again  even tho the temps won't be warmer.


John
Title: Re: Winter '16-'17
Post by: PaulMy on December 20, 2016, 03:42:20 PM
So far December has been typical - dreary...  To today 8 days without sunshine and 4 more days that had less than 1 hour sunshine.  And a couple of nights at lower than -20°C, and 9 days of snow of some kind.  My brother is rubbing it in - I am blowing snow, he's mowing his grass.

Oh, my brother is in FL.

Paul
Title: Re: Winter '16-'17
Post by: ocala on December 20, 2016, 07:44:39 PM
Xmas day forecast for my back yard?
Same old crappy weather. 81 and partly sunny.
Title: Re: Winter '16-'17
Post by: ValentineWeather on December 20, 2016, 07:53:19 PM
Forecast is still a little early but currently says.

Christmas Day
 
Rain and snow likely, becoming all snow after 3pm. Cloudy, with a high near 38.

Sunday Night
A chance of snow. Mostly cloudy, with a low around 9. Blustery.
Title: Re: Winter '16-'17
Post by: Jáchym on December 20, 2016, 07:56:14 PM
Brno this morning :)

Temperature today:
min: -7, max: -1 C

Title: Re: Winter '16-'17
Post by: Jáchym on December 20, 2016, 09:07:22 PM
Also, just realized it is actually the first day of astronomical winter and the shortest day in the yr here (i.e. my favorite day :D)
Title: Re: Winter '16-'17
Post by: WheatonRon on December 20, 2016, 09:21:23 PM
Also, just realized it is actually the first day of astronomical winter and the shortest day in the yr here (i.e. my favorite day :D)

What time is it there? 3:20am? It is 8:20pm here in Chicago.  Do you ever sleep?
Title: Re: Winter '16-'17
Post by: CW2274 on December 20, 2016, 09:57:44 PM
Also, just realized it is actually the first day of astronomical winter and the shortest day in the yr here (i.e. my favorite day :D)

What time is it there? 3:20am? Do you ever sleep?
https://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/full.html :-$
Title: Re: Winter '16-'17
Post by: Jáchym on December 20, 2016, 10:06:33 PM
Also, just realized it is actually the first day of astronomical winter and the shortest day in the yr here (i.e. my favorite day :D)

What time is it there? 3:20am? It is 8:20pm here in Chicago.  Do you ever sleep?

Something past 4am
Title: Re: Winter '16-'17
Post by: WheatonRon on December 20, 2016, 10:10:13 PM
Also, just realized it is actually the first day of astronomical winter and the shortest day in the yr here (i.e. my favorite day :D)

What time is it there? 3:20am? It is 8:20pm here in Chicago.  Do you ever sleep?

Something past 4am

I guess you don't sleep!
Title: Re: Winter '16-'17
Post by: Jáchym on December 20, 2016, 10:25:00 PM
Ocasionally yes :) Learn to sleep quickly, its great :)
Title: Re: Winter '16-'17
Post by: Scalphunter on December 20, 2016, 10:29:33 PM
Power naps which what we use to call them.

 Tomorrow 3 hour and 41 minutes  of daylight and then it the slow steady climb back to the blue nights of summer.

John
Title: Re: Winter '16-'17
Post by: hankster on December 20, 2016, 10:54:12 PM
3 days in a row tying or setting record highs (Fort Myers FL). Yesterday it was 91, the highest temperature ever recorded in December.
Title: Re: Winter '16-'17
Post by: Jáchym on December 20, 2016, 11:08:01 PM
Wow 91 :eek:
Title: Re: Winter '16-'17
Post by: ocala on December 21, 2016, 05:38:05 AM
3 days in a row tying or setting record highs (Fort Myers FL). Yesterday it was 91, the highest temperature ever recorded in December.
That is impressive for Florida this time of year. Right now is the coldest part of Winter for us.
I know Sunday and Monday it was very summerlike with temps in the mid 80's and dews in the low 70's.
Title: Re: Winter '16-'17
Post by: Jáchym on December 21, 2016, 07:50:35 PM
We still have snow so I wonder if it stays until Christmas Eve. There is likely not going to be any precipitation until then so the only chance is if the temperature stays belo freezing point even during the day. Over the last 2 days we had daily maximum of around -2 to -3 degrees C, so it does not melt, but it should be a bit warmer on Friday. When I went home from work tonight I could literally slide from the bus stop home since its downhill and there was a continuous layer of ice :D
Title: Re: Winter '16-'17
Post by: WeatherHost on December 22, 2016, 05:29:39 AM
60s and rain forecast for the 25th.

No white stuff thankfully.

Title: Re: Winter '16-'17
Post by: Bunty on December 22, 2016, 01:58:07 PM
Hi 67 with a 60% of showers on Christmas Day here.   Oklahoma City meteorologist Aaron Tuttle said morning computer models still show lack of deep low level moisture and instability for Christmas day severe weather.  His 15 minute weather report video under the tornado phote is here:  https://www.facebook.com/ATsWeather/videos/1413674878651935/ (https://www.facebook.com/ATsWeather/videos/1413674878651935/)
Title: Re: Winter '16-'17
Post by: Scalphunter on December 22, 2016, 02:08:26 PM
Well here we will be white till the  first Snoweater comes along to impact our snow fall levels. Hopefully it won't be till April.


John
Title: Re: Winter '16-'17
Post by: Jáchym on December 22, 2016, 05:31:59 PM
More snow today and temps below freezing point the whole day :-) This looks promising, though it should get warmer on Saturday so I wonder how long it will take for it to melt and if it lasts until Sat evening (in CZ Christmas is celebrated on the 24th in the evening)
Title: Re: Winter '16-'17
Post by: ValentineWeather on December 22, 2016, 05:46:31 PM
We really aren't losing much snow even with couple low 40 days not much melting. Chance of all 3 Christmas day /rain/freezing rain/snow

Still have 2-3" on ground so odds we have at least 1/2" rounded to nearest inch at observation time 6am to have official White Christmas good. Our odds of White Christmas last 10 years 40%. 38% historically.
Title: Re: Winter '16-'17
Post by: ValentineWeather on December 22, 2016, 05:54:48 PM
One of the reasons we don't lose snow fast here are current ground temperatures. 3-16-26-36" temperature sensor depths.
Title: Re: Winter '16-'17
Post by: Jáchym on December 22, 2016, 06:21:13 PM
It is supposed to be 2°C here on Saturday, which is probably not that much so it probably wouldnt melt, but it is supposed to rain, which is a problem, if it does it will melt much faster.
Title: Re: Winter '16-'17
Post by: Scalphunter on December 22, 2016, 06:42:45 PM
22 deg  ground temp at 18 inches below ground level.

John
Title: Re: Winter '16-'17
Post by: Jáchym on December 22, 2016, 06:55:21 PM
So people who dont like winter should dig themselves under the ground :D
Title: Re: Winter '16-'17
Post by: Scalphunter on December 22, 2016, 07:11:15 PM
you would have  to dig really deep here. Well water comes up at 38 deg and that well is 140 feet down to the pump.

John
Title: Re: Winter '16-'17
Post by: chief-david on December 22, 2016, 09:18:04 PM
Warm and sunny today and yesterday. enough that I could rehang some lights on the roof. It sounds like a mix for Christmas day. Including an inch of RAIN!
Title: Re: Winter '16-'17
Post by: Scalphunter on December 23, 2016, 12:52:05 AM
Going to need an Rain shovel then.
Title: Re: Winter '16-'17
Post by: ocala on December 23, 2016, 05:34:55 AM
you would have  to dig really deep here. Well water comes up at 38 deg and that well is 140 feet down to the pump.

John
Just for comparison sake our well water comes up at 72.
I have always wanted to get  geothermal  air conditioning for the house. What they do is bury pipes in the yard and run water through them. As that water is cooled in the summer and warmed in the winter you just set your thermostat accordingly. No compressor, just an air handler to move the air around the house.
Title: Re: Winter '16-'17
Post by: Jáchym on December 23, 2016, 04:39:03 PM
Another day with all-day temps below freezing point, we had -7 at night and around -2 to -3 during the day.
Title: Re: Winter '16-'17
Post by: ValentineWeather on December 23, 2016, 05:43:02 PM
Forecast is rain now with little snow guess we will see. Can't remember any rain in December in 2 previous years.
Arizona is getting snow my home of 42 years Lake Powell has some white stuff. http://www.alltravelcams.com/lake_powell/wahweap_boat_ramp.php
Title: Re: Winter '16-'17
Post by: ValentineWeather on December 23, 2016, 05:48:28 PM
Afternoon look changed a little forecast off 55 mph winds is interesting.


Christmas Day
 
Rain before 4pm, then snow likely, possibly mixed with rain between 4pm and 5pm, then snow likely after 5pm. Some thunder is also possible. High near 41. Breezy, with a southeast wind 14 to 24 mph becoming west southwest in the afternoon. Winds could gust as high as 33 mph. Chance of precipitation is 80%.

Sunday Night
 
A 30 percent chance of snow before midnight. Areas of blowing snow before midnight. Mostly cloudy, with a low around 12. Windy, with a west northwest wind 28 to 37 mph, with gusts as high as 55 mph.
Title: Re: Winter '16-'17
Post by: Scalphunter on December 23, 2016, 10:32:32 PM
Mellow day here today. high was10 degrees compared to what it was in 1961 when the temp dip to 53 below zero. Light snow shower passing thru dropping just enough to have to get leaf blower out to clean off stairs and porch.

John
Title: Re: Winter '16-'17
Post by: CW2274 on December 24, 2016, 06:26:41 PM
Just went from 63F to 47F in about 10 minutes, and still dropping. Classic FROPA, pressure rise, wind shift. We don't get these too often down here. I dislike cold weather, but this is a nice present, cold, rain, lotsa wind and all. Folks above 3500ish' should wake up to a White Christmas here!
Title: Re: Winter '16-'17
Post by: ValentineWeather on December 24, 2016, 06:56:51 PM
Just went from 63F to 47F in about 10 minutes, and still dropping. Classic FROPA, pressure rise, wind shift. We don't get these too often down here. I dislike cold weather, but this is a nice present, cold, rain, lotsa wind and all. Folks above 3500ish' should wake up to a White Christmas here!

Very cool, must be some serious White Christmas prayers going on. 
Title: Re: Winter '16-'17
Post by: Jáchym on December 24, 2016, 09:07:06 PM
Looks like we were quite lucky :D
In 90% of cases the wind here blows from the West (we are a landlocked country, but if you go West you will pass Germany and then there is France, Belgium, Netherlands and the Atlantic ocean, whereas going East means going further inland, so the wind usually blows from the direction from the sea).
There is a warm front now coming in and it was supposed to get here today, but it was slightly slower, so in Prague, which is about 210km (120mi) westwards, it was 5C and all the snow melted, whereas here where I live, in the Southeast part of the country, it was only around 0.5C, so the snow did not melt so fast and we did have white Christmas :D

Now it is 3AM and the temp is going up and the snow melts very quickly, I bet in the morning there wont be any left.

I always go for a walk on Christmas evening. It is really strange and probably the only time in the year when you walk right across the main square at 8PM and the only one you meet is a police car and a cab :D
Title: Re: Winter '16-'17
Post by: ValentineWeather on December 25, 2016, 11:50:41 AM
We have a line of thunderstorms heading this way and its 33° F. Very odd but interesting weather. They put a high wind warning out for later today with 60 mph gust possible so could be a wild Christmas day.
Title: Re: Winter '16-'17
Post by: BigOkie on December 25, 2016, 11:55:24 AM
We have a line of thunderstorms heading this way and its 33° F. Very odd but interesting weather. They put a high wind warning out for later today with 60 mph gust possible so could be a wild Christmas day.

Yeah, they're expecting record high temps today (low 70s) with a risk of severe weather.  All this on top of last week's record low of 3 above.

Will Rogers was most definitely accurate about Oklahoma weather.
Title: Re: Winter '16-'17
Post by: ValentineWeather on December 25, 2016, 12:19:52 PM
Got about an 1" of ice slush. This weather is very odd to say the least.
Title: Re: Winter '16-'17
Post by: Jáchym on December 25, 2016, 12:27:23 PM
Warm front arrived, as expected, the temperature rose from -1C (30F) yesterday to +6 (43F), all the snow is now quickly melting... so overcast, drizzling, everything wet and the last remainings of snow :D Im glad it stayed at least until yesterday. And it is probably going to stay like this until the end of the year, entire next week is supposed to be with daily maximum above freezing point.
Title: Re: Winter '16-'17
Post by: WeatherHost on December 25, 2016, 12:34:15 PM
56 on the way to near 70
Title: Re: Winter '16-'17
Post by: chief-david on December 25, 2016, 12:42:37 PM
We are going to see a mixed bag of weather. Snow. Sleet. Freezing rain. Thunder storm.

Kansas city has a game and there could be lightning/thunder and strong winds. ON CHRISTMAS.
Title: Re: Winter '16-'17
Post by: CW2274 on December 25, 2016, 01:52:28 PM
We have a line of thunderstorms heading this way and its 33° F. Very odd but interesting weather. They put a high wind warning out for later today with 60 mph gust possible so could be a wild Christmas day.
Too bad it's not dark out, you might get a shot at thundersnow.
Title: Re: Winter '16-'17
Post by: Scalphunter on December 25, 2016, 02:14:30 PM
just more of the old boring stuff  Cleat and cool  19 degrees as we near sunrise
Title: Re: Winter '16-'17
Post by: ocala on December 25, 2016, 02:45:54 PM
We have a line of thunderstorms heading this way and its 33° F. Very odd but interesting weather. They put a high wind warning out for later today with 60 mph gust possible so could be a wild Christmas day.
I'm jealous.
I asked Santa for a squall line but all he brought was sunshine.
Title: Re: Winter '16-'17
Post by: Bunty on December 25, 2016, 03:12:17 PM
56 on the way to near 70

WOW, at 2:10 pm, record warmth at 72, sunny, windy, with storms approaching that don't look very strong.  Merry Christmas. 
Title: Re: Winter '16-'17
Post by: cospringswx on December 25, 2016, 03:21:01 PM
Around an inch or 2 of snow last night. Now it's trying to clear but windy. High wind warning in effect here also.
Title: Re: Winter '16-'17
Post by: WeatherHost on December 25, 2016, 04:22:11 PM
Official now showing 71

Title: Re: Winter '16-'17
Post by: WeatherHost on December 25, 2016, 04:24:41 PM
Forecast looks like it may not cool much overnight, if at all.

Title: Re: Winter '16-'17
Post by: ValentineWeather on December 25, 2016, 10:09:03 PM
Cold air arrived both airport and east of town 66 MPH gust with 14°F air temperature.
Title: Re: Winter '16-'17
Post by: chief-david on December 25, 2016, 10:58:43 PM
I am looking at just at 1.0 inch of rain. could get a little more. 36F and cold tomorrow.
Had lightning and thunder earlier. ON CHRISTMAS DAY.

Valentine-be glad it is not snowy. but 66mph? wow.
Title: Re: Winter '16-'17
Post by: ValentineWeather on December 25, 2016, 11:12:42 PM
Guess we are fortunate, but would of loved a good ole blizzard. West side of SD has I-90 closed across 1/2 the state. To dangerous for even the snow plows they are saying. 
Title: Re: Winter '16-'17
Post by: chief-david on December 25, 2016, 11:57:10 PM
rapid city had a 70 mph gust
Title: Re: Winter '16-'17
Post by: WeatherHost on December 26, 2016, 05:28:18 AM
Combination of hourly observations for the past day and hourly forecast for today.

(http://www.wxforum.net/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=30839.0;attach=24586)

Title: Re: Winter '16-'17
Post by: EastFrisianGuy on December 26, 2016, 07:51:43 AM
Still no snow here yet at the coast in Northern Germany this winter, just a few flakes in mid November. Right now (2:00 PM) its 6.5°C (44°F) with a quite unsettled mixed bag of sun and rain showers. It went up to 10.6°C (51°F) last night.. i can hardly call that winter...  :???:
Title: Re: Winter '16-'17
Post by: Jáchym on December 26, 2016, 08:14:47 AM
We had snow on Christmas eve, it was around 0C, but in Prague it was already +6 and the warm front arrived here yesterday. Right now it is 9°C (48F)!? All the snow is gone of course and it is just wet and overcast. Definitely not what I would call my favorite winter weather...
Title: Re: Winter '16-'17
Post by: chief-david on December 26, 2016, 10:18:21 AM
Really windy over night. Pulled off all my lights. But I will not have to be on the roof to take them down.
Title: Re: Winter '16-'17
Post by: Scalphunter on December 26, 2016, 10:42:15 AM
Snoweater in progress. 20 degrees out with downslope winds  gusting to 12mph. Humidity @ 63%. Lost an inch of  snow in the past 24 hours.  Sublime working at its best. No melt water to refreeze.

John
Title: Re: Winter '16-'17
Post by: ValentineWeather on December 27, 2016, 06:39:41 PM
Nice snow in Jackson Wyoming today with kiddies ice skating in the park.

http://www.jacksonholenet.com/webcams/town_square.php
Title: Re: Winter '16-'17
Post by: alexstaar on December 27, 2016, 11:09:23 PM
Thought I would share this... This is the graph from the passage of the strong/sharp cold front last weekend (12/18/16) in Huntsville, AL. Went from warm and humid for mid-December to pretty cold conditions for this part of the country. Temp dropping below freezing during the day is pretty rare! Temperature range that day set a record high for my station at 47.5ş. Temp continued to drop the following morning to about 24şF.

Impressive front for sure!

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Title: Re: Winter '16-'17
Post by: cospringswx on December 27, 2016, 11:13:38 PM
Nice snow in Jackson Wyoming today with kiddies ice skating in the park.

http://www.jacksonholenet.com/webcams/town_square.php

That is a hell of a webcam. Wonder what kind?
Title: Re: Winter '16-'17
Post by: alexstaar on December 27, 2016, 11:22:20 PM
Nice snow in Jackson Wyoming today with kiddies ice skating in the park.

http://www.jacksonholenet.com/webcams/town_square.php

That is a hell of a webcam. Wonder what kind?

I'm going to guess it's a GoPro.
Title: Re: Winter '16-'17
Post by: ValentineWeather on December 28, 2016, 05:13:09 AM
Its a Stardot. http://www.inmtn.com/stardot-netcam-example.html
Title: Re: Winter '16-'17
Post by: ocala on December 28, 2016, 05:43:59 AM
Alexstaar I love to see cold fronts graphically.
That is so cool. Pun intended. :-)
Title: Re: Winter '16-'17
Post by: ValentineWeather on December 28, 2016, 05:53:37 AM
Here is same arctic front when it came through northern Nebraska. Went from 38 to 13°F and 66 mph wind gust.
People are still without power in South Dakota from this storm which was full blown blizzard just north of us.
Title: Re: Winter '16-'17
Post by: Scalphunter on December 29, 2016, 04:40:48 PM
Birds are going crazy here this morning feeding at the various  feeders the wife has up. So far I seen  more then  3 dozen  birds  around then the  normal 12 or so  . looks like they are getting ready for the storm that is moving thru tonight. 2/3 of the state is under an winter storm warning. Some areas are getting frozen rain mixed with snow. Here we are under an advisory. 4-7 inches of snow compared to the 6-12 that they are forecasting for Fairbanks.



John
Title: Re: Winter '16-'17
Post by: Scalphunter on December 29, 2016, 06:00:00 PM
Since 5 this AM from -18 we came up to 8 degrees f.  30 degrees rise as the storm front  is  moving this way.  winds  from the NNE 10 to 15 mph. It keeping the wind chill  below  zero.

John
Title: Re: Winter '16-'17
Post by: Jáchym on December 30, 2016, 10:04:49 PM
Summer time in Alaska lol 

Fairbanks currently - 2c, we currently have here -8
Title: Re: Winter '16-'17
Post by: weatherc on December 31, 2016, 04:47:18 AM
Summer time in Alaska lol 

Fairbanks currently - 2c, we currently have here -8

Welcome to warm north, +6C up here and +10C in Sweden  :lol:
But be fast, next week should we be down to -20C...
Btw. it was +18C in Norway a couple of days ago  :shock:
Title: Re: Winter '16-'17
Post by: ValentineWeather on December 31, 2016, 09:31:14 AM
Valentine Nebraska summary: December this station temperatures were below normal (-5) mean with average high (32), low (6). December snowfall west side Valentine (7"). December brought some extreme cold with 10 subzero lows and 1 subzero high temperature, (11 total) with lowest temperature since 1994 of (-31)F along with extreme low windchill at airport (-51). Precipitation this station was (.99) or (.62) above normal. Most coming in unusual rain event Christmas day. Dec. maximum wind gust recorded this station was (55) mph. (66) mph at airport
Title: Re: Winter '16-'17
Post by: Jáchym on December 31, 2016, 11:30:09 AM
Coldest day of this winter so far. The sun has just set half an hour ago and we are already at -7C (19F) and have 14 hours ahead of use when the temperature is likely to only go down. I probably should have taken my jacket today before going to work. I always take it out when it gets below -10C (14F) :D
Title: Re: Winter '16-'17
Post by: PaulMy on January 01, 2017, 11:26:40 AM
December ended quite dreary.  Got some old fashioned winter with very cold days and a good amount of snow.  But only 41.4 hrs of sunshine (14.72% of daytime) in the month.  With 6 of the last 10 days no sunshine and just 2.39 hrs sunshine in those 10 days.

But January is looking great with 03:18:45 hh:mm:ss sunshine so far and counting...

Enjoy the weather,
Paul
Title: Re: Winter '16-'17
Post by: Jáchym on January 01, 2017, 11:36:24 AM
We started quite cold, todays maximum is -6C, and the sun just set. By far the coldest day of this winter so far.
Title: Re: Winter '16-'17
Post by: CW2274 on January 02, 2017, 04:48:11 PM
Sunny 350 days a year? I can't remember the last sunny day here. I think we've already used up our quota of cloudy days. :-({|=
Title: Re: Winter '16-'17
Post by: Scalphunter on January 02, 2017, 07:43:48 PM
With an omega blocker over most of the state it been nice to have clear skies to enjoy nature's light  show  New year eve.   Didn't cost an dime  and  it continuing clear and cold for a bit.

John
Title: Re: Winter '16-'17
Post by: ocala on January 02, 2017, 08:29:32 PM
8.5 up there tonight John. Barbecuing this evening? :-P
Title: Re: Winter '16-'17
Post by: Jáchym on January 02, 2017, 09:01:22 PM
This year only freezing so far,  min -9c max - 3
Title: Re: Winter '16-'17
Post by: Scalphunter on January 02, 2017, 09:01:34 PM
yep was  34 the other day.  Lost lot of the snow pack we had  during the blow.

John
Title: Re: Winter '16-'17
Post by: hankster on January 02, 2017, 10:47:12 PM
May be seeing some snow the end of the week as far south as the AL/LA Gulf coast.
Title: Re: Winter '16-'17
Post by: Bunty on January 03, 2017, 05:32:00 AM
Like what happened the day before the last Arctic outbreak, Monday was unusually nice and warm for a January winter day here.  Temp got clear up to the low 70s, sunny with little wind.  Knowing the warm weather wouldn't last another day, more people than usual, along with myself, were on the sidewalk that goes around local Boomer Lake.  Dogs, too.  Lake level has become noticeably lower from the drought that recently set in.

This time the lows won't get as low.  Mid teens expected, not near zero.  Snow, like last time, should be under an inch.  Cold will last until Sunday.

(http://stillwaterweather.com/photos/lakejan.jpg)
Title: Re: Winter '16-'17
Post by: 92merc on January 03, 2017, 07:39:23 AM
Up here in ND, we've had our usual flip flop weather.  All the way up through October, we were above normal temps and precip.  I had my normal years worth of precip by October 1.  November was warm and dry.  I actually took a 200 mile motorcycle trip November 10th.

A week later, we had our first snow storm of a foot of snow.   Temps were low early on in December.  Dipping to -10 for highs.  We don't normally get that until January/February.

Now we've had 4 storms go through.  Somewhere north of 50 inches of snow.  On pace to break our 2008-2009 all time record of 111 inches.  Normal for Bismarck is 16 inches of snow.  Temps today are taking an Arctic plunge.  Highs again for the next 4 days just below zero.

Already worn out 2 belts on my garden tractor and blower.  A lot of work blowing 5 foot drifts in my driveway.  Already a 9 foot pile where I have to blow the snow.  And just 2 winters ago, I think we maybe had 6 inches of snow for the year.  Definition of "polar opposites".
Title: Re: Winter '16-'17
Post by: Jáchym on January 03, 2017, 08:08:15 AM
Heavy snow warning for the entire country for today, tomorrow and Thursday
Title: Re: Winter '16-'17
Post by: ValentineWeather on January 03, 2017, 08:57:45 AM
Heavy snow warning for the entire country for today, tomorrow and Thursday

Its like Christmas for enthusiast.  \:D/ What will Santa bring?
Title: Re: Winter '16-'17
Post by: Jáchym on January 03, 2017, 09:36:04 AM
Yeah :D We didnt have much snow last couple of winters. I live in the lowlands and in one of the warmest parts of the country, right in the city center of the second largest city so we never have as much snow as is in the mountains or such low temperatures.
Title: Re: Winter '16-'17
Post by: EastFrisianGuy on January 03, 2017, 02:58:46 PM
Still no snow here at the coast, despite larger parts of Germany can now enjoy (or not ;)) a little bit of snow. However the weather is far from being boring here. It had rained the whole day and now the wind is increasing and becoming gusty. There is a storm warning in effect and due to the wind shifting to Northwest overnight (coming straight from the sea then) even
a storm surge at high tide might not be ruled out.

Similiar to the Netherlands we have dikes here at the North Sea coast, which are currently about 8-10 meters (about 30 feet) high, so usually most storm surges have become harmless
nowadays (the last severe one here was in 1976).
Title: Re: Winter '16-'17
Post by: Bunty on January 03, 2017, 03:30:55 PM
Up here in ND, we've had our usual flip flop weather.  All the way up through October, we were above normal temps and precip.  I had my normal years worth of precip by October 1.  November was warm and dry.  I actually took a 200 mile motorcycle trip November 10th.

A week later, we had our first snow storm of a foot of snow.   Temps were low early on in December.  Dipping to -10 for highs.  We don't normally get that until January/February.

Now we've had 4 storms go through.  Somewhere north of 50 inches of snow.  On pace to break our 2008-2009 all time record of 111 inches.  Normal for Bismarck is 16 inches of snow.  Temps today are taking an Arctic plunge.  Highs again for the next 4 days just below zero.

Already worn out 2 belts on my garden tractor and blower.  A lot of work blowing 5 foot drifts in my driveway.  Already a 9 foot pile where I have to blow the snow.  And just 2 winters ago, I think we maybe had 6 inches of snow for the year.  Definition of "polar opposites".

WOW, I'll try not to complain about the winter weather here.
Title: Re: Winter '16-'17
Post by: Scalphunter on January 03, 2017, 10:35:17 PM
A 1055 mb high building over the West Coast of Alaska Thu will
build over Interior Alaska Thu night and Fri. This will add to
the strong winds in the Eastern Interior and Eastern Arctic
Coast Thu that will decrease overnight. Will see clearing under
this high. Pressures this high means that altimeter settings will
be over 31.00 inches over the West Coast Thu and over the Interior
and North Slope Fri.

Looks like the altimeters going go TU  again.  Getting light snow  at the moment then tomorrow  clear and cool  with over night temps downward to -20 F. Thursday  forecast is  snow and blowing snow with 30 mph winds. Be glad when the heat wave is over and  things get back to normal.

John


Title: Re: Winter '16-'17
Post by: Scalphunter on January 03, 2017, 10:46:10 PM
Temperature low from the past for yesterday.  -58 °F (1975)   not sure what the C  for it would be.


John
Title: Re: Winter '16-'17
Post by: BigOkie on January 03, 2017, 10:49:37 PM
Temperature low from the past for yesterday.  -58 °F (1975)   not sure what the C  for it would be.


John

-50C
Title: Re: Winter '16-'17
Post by: zackdog on January 04, 2017, 07:07:14 PM
Well, the winter storm warning was updated at 1:05 pm.  The snow totals went from 8-12" this morning to now 12-24".  Oh, and the winds suck.  I cleaned the driveway out this morning and when I headed out a half hour later, the drive had drifted half way across.  Got home three hours later and could not get down the drive.  I walked.  Will wait out the storm and then blow the driveway out.  Have food and plenty of beer :lol:

Mark
Title: Re: Winter '16-'17
Post by: Jáchym on January 04, 2017, 07:28:45 PM
Walking is healthy ;)
Title: Re: Winter '16-'17
Post by: zackdog on January 04, 2017, 08:01:47 PM
Walking is healthy ;)

Funny guy. :grin:  Here is nearly an hour's worth of walking in ten seconds. :lol:

Mark

https://vimeo.com/198133412
Title: Re: Winter '16-'17
Post by: WheatonRon on January 04, 2017, 08:30:56 PM
Well, the winter storm warning was updated at 1:05 pm.  The snow totals went from 8-12" this morning to now 12-24".  Oh, and the winds suck.  I cleaned the driveway out this morning and when I headed out a half hour later, the drive had drifted half way across.  Got home three hours later and could not get down the drive.  I walked.  Will wait out the storm and then blow the driveway out.  Have food and plenty of beer :lol:

Mark

Rumor has it winter is about over. Any truth to that rumor?
Title: Re: Winter '16-'17
Post by: ValentineWeather on January 04, 2017, 08:50:58 PM
Well, the winter storm warning was updated at 1:05 pm.  The snow totals went from 8-12" this morning to now 12-24".  Oh, and the winds suck.  I cleaned the driveway out this morning and when I headed out a half hour later, the drive had drifted half way across.  Got home three hours later and could not get down the drive.  I walked.  Will wait out the storm and then blow the driveway out.  Have food and plenty of beer :lol:

Mark

Rumor has it winter is about over. Any truth to that rumor?

80's this weekend somewhere.
Title: Re: Winter '16-'17
Post by: chief-david on January 04, 2017, 09:13:58 PM
4 today, 2 tomorrow.
The cold is not the bad part. But the wind has been blowing. Making windchills today -25. Steady winds the last few days. Cold is fine. Wind chills stink.
Title: Re: Winter '16-'17
Post by: CW2274 on January 04, 2017, 09:20:13 PM
Well, the winter storm warning was updated at 1:05 pm.  The snow totals went from 8-12" this morning to now 12-24".  Oh, and the winds suck.  I cleaned the driveway out this morning and when I headed out a half hour later, the drive had drifted half way across.  Got home three hours later and could not get down the drive.  I walked.  Will wait out the storm and then blow the driveway out.  Have food and plenty of beer :lol:

Mark

Rumor has it winter is about over. Any truth to that rumor?

80's this weekend somewhere.
:-"
Title: Re: Winter '16-'17
Post by: cospringswx on January 04, 2017, 09:39:03 PM
Agree on wind. Hate the wind when its cold.
Title: Re: Winter '16-'17
Post by: ValentineWeather on January 04, 2017, 10:26:29 PM
Tonight calling for -8 (-22C),  6°F (-14C) for high tomorrow. Nothing like our really cold stuff couple weeks ago but no doubt its winter. My driveway has been a sheet of ice since the Christmas rain that melted a bunch of snow.
Title: Re: Winter '16-'17
Post by: alexstaar on January 04, 2017, 10:45:53 PM
Talk of the town in the SE US is the winter storm expected to affect the area (anywhere from 1 to 5" or so of snow possible). Afterward, a very strong high pressure system (~1045 mb) moves in and centers itself over the Carolinas (very strong for this far south). With the possible fresh snow on the ground, we'll see lows in the lower teens to roughly 10ş, perhaps lower in some areas, and highs struggling to reach the freezing mark. This is very cold for the western Carolinas (20ş below normal for lows and highs). Snow will stick around for several days too, which is also uncommon. Normally when snow falls here, it's completely gone within a day or 2 at the most.
Title: Re: Winter '16-'17
Post by: Jáchym on January 05, 2017, 05:09:58 AM
Quite windy today and yes, even though it is actually warmer than yesterday (-3C,26F), it feels much colder.
We expect a rapid drop in temperatures tomorrow night and on Sat only something around -7C (19F) during the day and -18C (0F) night min.
Title: Re: Winter '16-'17
Post by: WeatherHost on January 05, 2017, 06:30:50 AM
Agree on wind. Hate the wind when its cold.

I don't like wind at any temperature.  Gets up my nose and in my ears, gives me a headache.

I like a mild breeze on warm days.

Title: Re: Winter '16-'17
Post by: BigOkie on January 05, 2017, 01:31:38 PM
Temperature here today forecast to get to 27F (-3C).  It's currently 22F (-6C) so it better hurry.  Wind is rather stout of the north also.  Chance of snow overnight, but little accumlation is expected.  Which, when forecast here, usually means 5 to 8 inches.

:)

No smart remarks.
Title: Re: Winter '16-'17
Post by: ValentineWeather on January 05, 2017, 02:04:35 PM
Check out the pink freeze line how far south its going.

http://weather.graphics/hrrr/2017010517/conus2/hrrr_2017010517_ref_conus2.gif
Title: Re: Winter '16-'17
Post by: chief-david on January 05, 2017, 02:57:37 PM
Agree on wind. Hate the wind when its cold.

I don't like wind at any temperature.  Gets up my nose and in my ears, gives me a headache.

I like a mild breeze on warm days.

I like watching the wind on the weather station. I hate the effects of it.
Title: Re: Winter '16-'17
Post by: weatherc on January 05, 2017, 03:34:04 PM
Some cold Siberian air got the north Scandinavia deep-freezed for a couple of days. Temps below -30C (-22F) in wide areas. Coldest so far in Kautokeino, Norway with -42C (-44F).
Title: Re: Winter '16-'17
Post by: Bunty on January 05, 2017, 05:15:44 PM
Temperature here today forecast to get to 27F (-3C).  It's currently 22F (-6C) so it better hurry.  Wind is rather stout of the north also.  Chance of snow overnight, but little accumlation is expected.  Which, when forecast here, usually means 5 to 8 inches.

:)

No smart remarks.

So far, you're not in a winter weather advisory, but getting close.  I am.  Here, there may be a more than a dusting of snow:

Event:   Winter Weather Advisory
Alert:   

...WINTER WEATHER ADVISORY IN EFFECT FROM 10 PM THIS EVENING TO
NOON CST FRIDAY...
 
* TIMING...LATE THIS EVENING THROUGH FRIDAY MORNING WITH
HEAVIEST AMOUNTS LIKELY OCCURRING AFTER MIDNIGHT.
 
* SNOW ACCUMULATIONS...ONE TO TWO INCHES POSSIBLE WITH LOCALLY
HIGHER AMOUNTS.
 
* WINDS...NORTHEAST WINDS AT 5 TO 15 MPH.
 
* OTHER IMPACTS... REDUCED VISIBILITY COULD OCCUR AT TIMES. WIND
CHILL VALUES OF -5 TO 10 DEGREES WILL BE LIKELY.

Instructions:   A WINTER WEATHER ADVISORY FOR SNOW MEANS THAT PERIODS OF SNOW WILL CAUSE PRIMARILY TRAVEL DIFFICULTIES. BE PREPARED FOR SNOW COVERED ROADS AND LIMITED VISIBILITIES. EVEN SMALL AMOUNTS OF ICE AND SNOW CAN MAKE ROADS AND SIDEWALKS SLICK AND DANGEROUS.

Target Area:   
Payne

(http://forecast.weather.gov/wwamap/png/oun.png)

(http://aarontuttleweather.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/01/snku_acc.us_c.png)
Title: Re: Winter '16-'17
Post by: EastFrisianGuy on January 05, 2017, 06:07:13 PM
Clear skies and -6.4°C (20.5°F) at the moment (midnight). Almost perfect winter weather for me, only the snow is still missing here at the coast.
However according to the forecast we will get some snow from Saturday night onwards- but it will be shortlived, lasting only for a day at best.
Title: Re: Winter '16-'17
Post by: Jáchym on January 05, 2017, 06:22:27 PM
Finally looks like winter and it seems like I will have to finally take my jacket out after 2 years on Saturday :D
Title: Re: Winter '16-'17
Post by: Scalphunter on January 05, 2017, 10:18:16 PM
Temperature starting to  slide  towards -30 which is forecasted for Friday night as an 1057 mb  parks itself  over head. Barometer is at 31.83 in/hg  at the present and climbing. Been  blowing all day as the  temps  dropped  during the day.  Lot of fresh blowing snow  to move where  the over night  dump and blowing snow filled back in the  dooryard.  fired up the little orange  tractor and  started moving  it by the  bucket full. Couple hours later  cleared out  the dooryard and  cleared some of the road in front of the property.  Our road is not an high priority on the state plowing  list.


 John
Title: Re: Winter '16-'17
Post by: Scalphunter on January 05, 2017, 11:06:25 PM
here looking ahead at what to come

Clearing skies and significantly colder air aloft will allow
temperatures to rapidly fall below zero tonight and with near or
slightly below normal temperatures into Saturday, coldest over
the eastern half of the state. Warming aloft later this weekend
combined with clear skies will cause significant inversions to
develop, especially over the Interior with 20 to 30 degree
differences between hilltops and valleys common.

Models are in relatively good agreement into next week with high
pressure aloft centered over western Alaska. Models do diverge
some by mid-week as a vigorous short wave trough digs south into
western Alaska and brings snow to most areas. But the consensus is
for much colder, below normal, temperatures to settle in over the
state late next week and persist into the foreseeable future.


Time to maybe dig out the long woolies finally

John
Title: Re: Winter '16-'17
Post by: Jáchym on January 06, 2017, 07:46:57 AM
Warmest time of the day now and we are at -7C (19F), from now on, the temp will only be going down, tomorrow´s expected daily max around -10C (14F), at night -18C (0F). And yes... I did take my jacket today (only do that when it gets below -10C, 14F :D) with me as I will spend a lot of time outside while going to visit my dad in Prague tomorrow :D I have to say this is not extreme, but also not very common where I live. We would have temps around -10C (14F) during the day only about once or twice a year. The average winter is around freezing point during the day and between 0 and -10 (32 and 14) at night. -20C (-4F) is rare and since I began measuring in 2012 we only had that once here in 2012, it was a very cold February, there was about 10 days when the temp did not get above -10C (14F) at all. But I live in one of the warmest parts of the country and right in the city center of the second largest city, in the mountains -35C (-31F) is not unusual.
Title: Re: Winter '16-'17
Post by: zackdog on January 06, 2017, 10:11:01 AM
Storm lasted three days and was not too bad for me, except for the wind.  I got 11" out of the storm, while Winter Park ski area got 28".  They are about ten miles SE of me.  Snow stopped late yesterday afternoon along with the wind, so I went out to blow out the driveway.  I got the drive cleaned out but did not clean up the turnaround or behind the truck.  The job took an hour and ten minutes, which is almost a half hour longer than it would when it was not wind packed drifted snow.  About half of the drive had 18" drifts all the way across it.

It is supposed to be sunny today, so when it warms up, currently -15° F, I will go finish blowing snow.

Mark

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Title: Re: Winter '16-'17
Post by: Scalphunter on January 06, 2017, 01:05:20 PM
Good morning from an balmy  25 below and under an record barometer for the year. Barometer reading 31.10. This intense pressure if hangs around will tip us over the edge to hit -40 F/C. Saturday nite one forecasted showed -37.  Hooray maybe winter finally got here.

John
Title: Re: Winter '16-'17
Post by: Bunty on January 06, 2017, 02:14:07 PM
It snowed about an inch in Stillwater last night, enough to close schools.  Plenty cold enough for the snow to stick. Scene from my back door.  Oklahoma City got around 3 inches.  Low expected Saturday morning around 4.   It will be interesting to see what the snow does in the South.

(http://stillwaterweather.com/photos/snowjan6-2017.jpg)
http://www.stwnewspress.com/news/residents-wake-up-to-blanket-of-snow/article_c7935f1e-c96c-5ff4-be3e-eccce24ca46f.html (http://www.stwnewspress.com/news/residents-wake-up-to-blanket-of-snow/article_c7935f1e-c96c-5ff4-be3e-eccce24ca46f.html)
Title: Re: Winter '16-'17
Post by: BigOkie on January 06, 2017, 03:51:40 PM
Temperature starting to  slide  towards -30 which is forecasted for Friday night as an 1057 mb  parks itself  over head. Barometer is at 31.83 in/hg  at the present and climbing. Been  blowing all day as the  temps  dropped  during the day.  Lot of fresh blowing snow  to move where  the over night  dump and blowing snow filled back in the  dooryard.  fired up the little orange  tractor and  started moving  it by the  bucket full. Couple hours later  cleared out  the dooryard and  cleared some of the road in front of the property.  Our road is not an high priority on the state plowing  list.


 John

Wow.  31.83.  I would have a massive headache by that point, because when it got up to 31.02 about two years ago and lasted for a day or so I was miserable.  I couldn't believe pressure could do that but my PCP told me he'd seen several people who were complaining about headaches.  That's high pressure right there.
Title: Re: Winter '16-'17
Post by: BigOkie on January 06, 2017, 03:53:26 PM
It snowed about an inch in Stillwater last night, enough to close schools.  Plenty cold enough for the snow to stick. Scene from my back door.  Oklahoma City got around 3 inches.  Low expected Saturday morning around 4.   It will be interesting to see what the snow does in the South.

(http://stillwaterweather.com/photos/snowjan6-2017.jpg)
http://www.stwnewspress.com/news/residents-wake-up-to-blanket-of-snow/article_c7935f1e-c96c-5ff4-be3e-eccce24ca46f.html (http://www.stwnewspress.com/news/residents-wake-up-to-blanket-of-snow/article_c7935f1e-c96c-5ff4-be3e-eccce24ca46f.html)

Yeah, this is what it looked like from my front porch this morning about 8am:

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Title: Re: Winter '16-'17
Post by: ocala on January 07, 2017, 08:41:23 AM
Finally some decent rain last night. 2.96. That's more then the last 3 months combined. Was woke up about 2:30 last night as the weather radio was going off. Jacksonville said there was rotation in the storm but it just turned out to be a good rain maker.
Temps and dews are crashing behind the front. Will be a cold stretch for us the next couple days.
   
Title: Re: Winter '16-'17
Post by: Jáchym on January 07, 2017, 10:17:40 AM
Just came back from Prague, it was -17C (1F) last night. Now the sun is about to set in an hour and it is much colder than this time of the day yesterday so it is likely to drop even lower tonight :)
Title: Re: Winter '16-'17
Post by: ocala on January 07, 2017, 12:13:39 PM
Temps dropping fast here. Now in the upper 40's.
Quite a range of temps in the state. From the 20's in the panhandle to 80's down south.
Indeed a strong cold front.
Those 20's and 30's in the panhandle are 12:00 EST temps. Not sunrise temps. 
Title: Re: Winter '16-'17
Post by: Jáchym on January 07, 2017, 12:25:55 PM
Temps dropping fast here. Now in the upper 40's.
Quite a range of temps in the state. From the 20's in the panhandle to 80's down south.
Indeed a strong cold front.
Those 20's and 30's in the panhandle are 12:00 EST temps. Not sunrise temps.

Temps dropping fast here. Now in the upper 40's (4C).
Quite a range of temps in the state. From the 20's (-7C) in the panhandle to 80's (26C) down south.
Indeed a strong cold front.
Those 20's (-7C) and 30's (-1C) in the panhandle are 12:00 EST temps. Not sunrise temps.

 ;)  Dont forget about us Celsius guys ;)
Title: Re: Winter '16-'17
Post by: Bunty on January 07, 2017, 12:43:19 PM
Wow, more than just a few below zero lows Saturday morning in Oklahoma.  Two locations in Oklahoma had -12(-24C) for the lowest.  I had 4 (-15.5C).  Most Stillwater area WU stations were just above zero,(-18).  Back to the 60s on Tuesday.

(https://scontent-dft4-2.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/15871522_1434548319897924_6224916091838398710_n.png?oh=c60a5c661d4529dcf395e3d94a3f5be9&oe=5919B4F2)



Title: Re: Winter '16-'17
Post by: ocala on January 07, 2017, 12:45:16 PM
Temps dropping fast here. Now in the upper 40's.
Quite a range of temps in the state. From the 20's in the panhandle to 80's down south.
Indeed a strong cold front.
Those 20's and 30's in the panhandle are 12:00 EST temps. Not sunrise temps.

Temps dropping fast here. Now in the upper 40's (4C).
Quite a range of temps in the state. From the 20's (-7C) in the panhandle to 80's (26C) down south.
Indeed a strong cold front.
Those 20's (-7C) and 30's (-1C) in the panhandle are 12:00 EST temps. Not sunrise temps.

 ;)  Dont forget about us Celsius guys ;)
Your right. I keep forgetting. I need to print out a F/C chart so I remember.
Title: Re: Winter '16-'17
Post by: Jáchym on January 07, 2017, 01:05:25 PM
Temps dropping fast here. Now in the upper 40's.
Quite a range of temps in the state. From the 20's in the panhandle to 80's down south.
Indeed a strong cold front.
Those 20's and 30's in the panhandle are 12:00 EST temps. Not sunrise temps.

Temps dropping fast here. Now in the upper 40's (4C).
Quite a range of temps in the state. From the 20's (-7C) in the panhandle to 80's (26C) down south.
Indeed a strong cold front.
Those 20's (-7C) and 30's (-1C) in the panhandle are 12:00 EST temps. Not sunrise temps.

 ;)  Dont forget about us Celsius guys ;)
Your right. I keep forgetting. I need to print out a F/C chart so I remember.

Thanks! I actually personally dont really care, given how much time Ive spent with all this in the past year and half and given I work with both units Im now quite familiar with both and have an idea of what is "really cold" etc. but for the world outside US it is usually (not the case of all) completely alien
Title: Re: Winter '16-'17
Post by: chief-david on January 07, 2017, 01:12:38 PM
Barometer just hit 30.702 inches

not the highest ever recorded by me, but high.

At least it is up to 6F
Title: Re: Winter '16-'17
Post by: Jáchym on January 07, 2017, 01:59:57 PM
Here you can see nicely the differences we have now here, the entire continent is well below average, but part of it (including my country) is now influenced by the very cold arctic front that moved in to the central EU area, my country is right at the tip of the purple area.
Title: Re: Winter '16-'17
Post by: Scalphunter on January 07, 2017, 05:34:18 PM
(http://i666.photobucket.com/albums/vv23/Scalphunter_photos/Mobile%20Uploads/20170107_130510_zpsozqst9re.jpg) (http://s666.photobucket.com/user/Scalphunter_photos/media/Mobile%20Uploads/20170107_130510_zpsozqst9re.jpg.html)


Mid day sun today. Not much warmth from it. Not high enough to register solar data.

John
Title: Re: Winter '16-'17
Post by: alexstaar on January 07, 2017, 06:00:02 PM
Very cold day here in northern Alabama, USA today. Low this morning at my place was 13.1şF (-11şC) with an afternoon high of 25.9şF (-3şC) under clear and sunny skies. Not a cloud to be seen. Expecting an all time record high pressure at my place tomorrow morning. Current record is 1043.08 mb; expecting at least ~1044 mb by tomorrow morning. That's very high for this far south. Normal strong high pressure is in the ~1035 mb range. P.S. - I'm a meteorologist so I don't like using inHg  ;)
Title: Re: Winter '16-'17
Post by: CW2274 on January 07, 2017, 06:14:35 PM
I'm a meteorologist so I don't like using inHg  ;)
But the other 99.9% of us do. :-P
Title: Re: Winter '16-'17
Post by: WheatonRon on January 07, 2017, 06:16:15 PM
I'm a meteorologist so I don't like using inHg  ;)
But the other 99.9% of us do. :-P

Yep. Mbs doesn't mean anything to me! It is even worse than centigrade! At least i can easily convert centigrade to farenheit!
Title: Re: Winter '16-'17
Post by: Jáchym on January 07, 2017, 06:20:26 PM
I'm a meteorologist so I don't like using inHg  ;)
But the other 99.9% of us do. :-P

You mean 99.9% of Americans dont you, Im ok with it :D I.e. 99.9% of negligible 4% of world population :D :D

Just kidding ;)

1043 hPa = 30.79 inHg
1044 = 30.82
1035 = 30.56
Title: Re: Winter '16-'17
Post by: alexstaar on January 07, 2017, 06:26:58 PM
I'm a meteorologist so I don't like using inHg  ;)
But the other 99.9% of us do. :-P

You mean 99.9% of Americans dont you, Im ok with it :D I.e. 99.9% of negligible 4% of world population :D :D

Just kidding ;)

1043 hPa = 30.79 inHg
1044 = 30.82
1035 = 30.56

I suppose I could have converted the units... Oh well! Thanks for doing that for me  :-)
Title: Re: Winter '16-'17
Post by: CW2274 on January 07, 2017, 06:32:46 PM
I'm a meteorologist so I don't like using inHg  ;)
But the other 99.9% of us do. :-P

You mean 99.9% of Americans dont you
I do. After all, we did invent weather. :grin:


Title: Re: Winter '16-'17
Post by: Jáchym on January 07, 2017, 06:32:56 PM
Farenheit... sometimes I just keep asking myself why :D

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/f3/Countries_that_use_Fahrenheit.svg/350px-Countries_that_use_Fahrenheit.svg.png)

I understand you guys are now used to it, but why in the first place was C not introduced long time ago just like in... just like in any other country :D

Title: Re: Winter '16-'17
Post by: Jáchym on January 07, 2017, 06:34:15 PM
I'm a meteorologist so I don't like using inHg  ;)
But the other 99.9% of us do. :-P

You mean 99.9% of Americans dont you
I do. After all, we did invent weather. :grin:

Interesting concept :D I guess I always thought weather was "invented" by the law of physics :D
Title: Re: Winter '16-'17
Post by: CW2274 on January 07, 2017, 06:35:11 PM
 :-$
Title: Re: Winter '16-'17
Post by: ValentineWeather on January 07, 2017, 07:00:16 PM
Farenheit... sometimes I just keep asking myself why :D

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/f3/Countries_that_use_Fahrenheit.svg/350px-Countries_that_use_Fahrenheit.svg.png)

I understand you guys are now used to it, but why in the first place was C not introduced long time ago just like in... just like in any other country :D

Why because it has more integers and Fahrenheit is superior for measuring temperature precisely. We got it right the rest of the world screwed up IMO.
http://www.zmescience.com/other/fahrenheit-vs-celsius-did-the-u-s-get-it-right-after-all/

Title: Re: Winter '16-'17
Post by: CW2274 on January 07, 2017, 07:03:42 PM
Farenheit... sometimes I just keep asking myself why :D

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/f3/Countries_that_use_Fahrenheit.svg/350px-Countries_that_use_Fahrenheit.svg.png)

I understand you guys are now used to it, but why in the first place was C not introduced long time ago just like in... just like in any other country :D

Why because it has more integers and Fahrenheit is superior for measuring temperature precisely.
I made this argument a few weeks ago but fell on deaf metric ears.
Title: Re: Winter '16-'17
Post by: Jáchym on January 07, 2017, 07:09:09 PM
Metric (SI) in general is far easier to work with, if I asked you to do some conversions in imperial :D I guess I would win if you asked me to for example convert m to km, cm to m, ml to l, g to kg :D
And yes you are technically right the F scale has more steps, but... when you get down to 0.1 F/C resolution it doesnt really matter because I doubt how accurate this is and how important it is to know the temp down to 0.0X degrees - simply because at this resolution it changes in a matter of seconds.
Title: Re: Winter '16-'17
Post by: CW2274 on January 07, 2017, 07:10:56 PM
Imperial has character. ;)
Title: Re: Winter '16-'17
Post by: Jáchym on January 07, 2017, 07:34:41 PM
OK, point taken, though rather than character I prefer something that I can easily use without having to get out a calculator :D

With F/C it is particularly complicated.

Rain is relatively simple:

Accurate estimate:

in -> mm: multiply by 100, divide by 4
mm -> in: divide by 100, multiply by 4

But with C/F.... adding/subtracting 32 and then additionaly multiplying/dividing by 9/5 or 5/9.... probably would take me some time unless I knew both scales
Title: Re: Winter '16-'17
Post by: Scalphunter on January 07, 2017, 07:48:08 PM
1.55 x C + 32 = F

(F-32)x .555 = C

Nothing hard  about that now is there.


John
Title: Re: Winter '16-'17
Post by: WheatonRon on January 07, 2017, 08:22:33 PM
OK, point taken, though rather than character I prefer something that I can easily use without having to get out a calculator :D

With F/C it is particularly complicated.

Rain is relatively simple:

Accurate estimate:

in -> mm: multiply by 100, divide by 4
mm -> in: divide by 100, multiply by 4

But with C/F.... adding/subtracting 32 and then additionaly multiplying/dividing by 9/5 or 5/9.... probably would take me some time unless I knew both scales

My simple conversion of centigrade to farenheit is this. C times 2, less 10% of that number, then add 32! In other words, 10C times two is 20, less 10% is 18 then add 32. Answer is 50 F. Not the actual formula but it works to my satisfaction. I have a European car that displays outside temperature in C. Over the years, I have used my formula to tell me what temperature it should feel like to me. Sorry, 10C doesn't tell me whether it is warm or cold outside--yes, Americans can be goofy, but....
Title: Re: Winter '16-'17
Post by: Jáchym on January 07, 2017, 08:45:47 PM
LOL :)
10C is quite warm, I go by the rule - winter jacket at 0F :D

Over the last 2 yrs I got used to both, I no longer need to convert it in my head, but it is only like that with T, with regards to pressure for example, I am still only familiar with hPa :D
Title: Re: Winter '16-'17
Post by: alexstaar on January 07, 2017, 09:41:38 PM
Farenheit... sometimes I just keep asking myself why :D

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/f3/Countries_that_use_Fahrenheit.svg/350px-Countries_that_use_Fahrenheit.svg.png)

I understand you guys are now used to it, but why in the first place was C not introduced long time ago just like in... just like in any other country :D

From my understanding, when the US (or New World) was settled, the founders wanted to be different from the rest of the world. Hence why we have left-hand drive cars, drive on the right-hand side of the road, use imperial units, etc.
Title: Re: Winter '16-'17
Post by: PaulMy on January 08, 2017, 01:04:51 PM
Nothing severe today, at least for us here in Komoka, but the snow squalls continue... http://weather.gc.ca/warnings/index_e.html?prov=son

Paul
Title: Re: Winter '16-'17
Post by: zackdog on January 09, 2017, 12:49:41 PM
The ridiculous weather that started in December has returned in January.  Saturday morning -20°F, at 03:21 this morning it was 39.7°F.  The ~six inches of snow that fell yesterday was down to 3.7" when I did my CoCo reading at 07:00.  Also under a winter storm warning calling for an additional 8-14" of snow possible.  Don't think the snow blower or I will like it.  Sure hope they are wrong since the temperature is hanging in the mid thirties.

Mark

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Title: Re: Winter '16-'17
Post by: ValentineWeather on January 09, 2017, 01:09:56 PM
I find interesting La Nina is bringing more big storms to the west than El Nino did. Dryer in my area but cold.
 
(15) below zero days since winter begin. First week of Jan. average high (20), Low (-1). Today's  forecast 48. This is coldest time of year historically. 
Title: Re: Winter '16-'17
Post by: BigOkie on January 09, 2017, 03:28:04 PM
1.55 x C + 32 = F

(F-32)x .555 = C

Nothing hard  about that now is there.


John

Actually, the multiplier is 1.8, not 1.55.  Especially if you consider freezing = 32F/0C - boiling =212F/100C, difference being 180F over 100C = 1.8.  That's how I measure.  Plus, being a pilot makes it a requirement for me to be able to figure that out in my head in a hurry since METARs use Celsius.  However, METARs also use inHG.  And wind speed in nautical miles per hour/knots.
Title: Re: Winter '16-'17
Post by: BigOkie on January 09, 2017, 03:31:30 PM
Already there is a special weather statement out about a winter storm shaping up this weekend in Oklahoma. It covers all but eastern Oklahoma:


That's likely because the TSA WFO is holding off looking at the GFS model the boundary of the really nasty stuff is right on I-44.  I'm prepping however for a nasty event.  Prepping like December 2007 actually.
Title: Re: Winter '16-'17
Post by: cospringswx on January 09, 2017, 03:38:04 PM
Forecast here is uncertain also. Very windy day here today. I recorded a 54.1 mph gust but at Cheyenne Mountain Air Force Base had a 101mph gust. I-25 is closed for high profile vehicles. Overturned semi's everywhere.
Title: Re: Winter '16-'17
Post by: Jáchym on January 09, 2017, 09:06:12 PM
Most of Europe currently well below average, sometimes even breaking alltime low records

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/2569119/snow-blizzards-europe-kill-at-least-33-people-arctic-blast-britain/

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More than 20 people are now known to have died as icy temperatures continue to grip much of Europe.
Ten people died of cold in Poland on Sunday. The bodies of three migrants, two Iraqi and one Somali, were found near the Turkish-Bulgarian border.
Deaths have been reported in Italy, the Czech Republic, Russia and Ukraine.
Dozens of flights have been halted. In Turkey, the Bosphorus is closed to shipping after a snowstorm. Even Greece's islands are covered in snow.
In Serbia, all river transport is suspended on the Danube.

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In Russia, temperatures in some regions have plunged below -40C.
Normally milder Greece has witnessed temperatures of -15C in the north, where an Afghan migrant died of cold last week and roads were closed.

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Prague had its coldest night so far this winter, Czech officials say, with six deaths reported, most of them homeless people.
Title: Re: Winter '16-'17
Post by: Jáchym on January 09, 2017, 09:08:14 PM
Here is current conditions, you can see the dark area in the central/South/East Europe
Title: Re: Winter '16-'17
Post by: ValentineWeather on January 09, 2017, 11:55:56 PM
Coldest air of year currently over Russia. 
Title: Re: Winter '16-'17
Post by: WeatherHost on January 10, 2017, 08:34:33 AM
The cold shots have been cold, but brief, only a few days.  Nice warm ups in between that last longer than the cold.

And being about have way through the DJF Winter, it remains to be seen if the second half will retain that pattern.

Title: Re: Winter '16-'17
Post by: Jáchym on January 10, 2017, 08:13:27 PM
The cold Arctic front now divided my country in half - the Western part has temperatures around 0 to 5C (32 to 40 F), while the Eastern part (including my city) has temperatures 25 degrees lower, which is quite a difference if you consider the entire Czech Republic is the size of South Carolina :D
Title: Re: Winter '16-'17
Post by: Bunty on January 12, 2017, 04:29:00 PM
ICE STORM WARNING, includes Stillwater.

Areas Affected:
Alfalfa - Blaine - Custer - Dewey - Ellis - Garfield - Grant - Harper - Kay - Kingfisher - Logan - Major - Noble - Payne - Roger Mills - Woods - Woodward
Effective: Thu, 1/12 2:56pm Updated: Thu, 1/12 3:04pm Urgency: Expected
Expires: Sun, 1/15 6:00am Severity: Moderate Certainty: Likely

Details:

...ICE STORM WARNING IN EFFECT FROM 6 AM FRIDAY TO 6 AM CST
SUNDAY...
THE NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE IN NORMAN HAS ISSUED AN ICE STORM
WARNING...WHICH IS IN EFFECT FROM 6 AM FRIDAY TO 6 AM CST SUNDAY.
THE WINTER STORM WATCH IS NO LONGER IN EFFECT.
* TIMING...EARLY FRIDAY MORNING THROUGH EARLY SUNDAY
* ICE ACCUMULATIONS...ICE ACCUMULATIONS OF ONE-QUARTER TO ONE-
HALF INCH. THE HEAVIEST ACCUMULATIONS ARE EXPECTED SATURDAY.
* WINDS...NORTH WIND AROUND 10 MPH
* OTHER IMPACTS...ICE ACCUMULATIONS BY SATURDAY MAY BE ENOUGH TO
CAUSE POWER OUTAGES. BRIDGES... OVERPASSES... AND SECONDARY
ROADS MAY BECOME SLICK AND HAZARDOUS... ESPECIALLY ON FRIDAY
INTO EARLY SATURDAY.

Information:

BE CAREFUL IF YOU HAVE TO TRAVEL. EVEN SMALL AMOUNTS OF ICE CAN MAKE
ROADS AND SIDEWALKS SLICK.

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C1_8eo5VQAEmHVR.jpg:large)
Title: Re: Winter '16-'17
Post by: chief-david on January 12, 2017, 05:35:58 PM
This ice storm in the midwest could have a significant effect on the Chiefs/Steelers playoff game.

The roads could be messy. Fans may or may not be able to get to the game. I know of a few that have put their tix up for sale. (chiefs forum)

The field is heated and will be covered. I doubt the game would be cancelled or moved, but weather will be a factor in the game.
Title: Re: Winter '16-'17
Post by: Jáchym on January 12, 2017, 05:40:41 PM
Today we had one of the worst possible combinations:
- first it snowed heavily almost the entire night
- then it rapidly warmed up and temperature increased substantially above freezing point

The result is that everything is wet, dirty... you know what I mean :D

This warm period should only be temporary, from Monday the temps are again well below freezing point (around -15C / 5F)
Title: Re: Winter '16-'17
Post by: chief-david on January 12, 2017, 05:50:06 PM
This is the thread from Chiefs Planet-I am a member

http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showthread.php?t=305075
Title: Re: Winter '16-'17
Post by: ValentineWeather on January 12, 2017, 07:11:50 PM
This is the thread from Chiefs Planet-I am a member

http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showthread.php?t=305075

I just hope games are better this week. Last weekend was some of the most dreadful NFL playoff games I can remember.
Title: Re: Winter '16-'17
Post by: Aardvark on January 12, 2017, 07:25:04 PM
We are  bracing for an ice storm Sunday and Monday. Power outages are promised which would piss me off a bit. First I hate freezing rain. I hate falling down because of it and I hate having to scrape the stuff off the car so I can even get in and hit the rear window defroster.   I hate the furnace to stop working because of no electricity as well as the internet is useless.

May it go south.
Title: Re: Winter '16-'17
Post by: Scalphunter on January 12, 2017, 07:27:04 PM
Ahhh  just love  me old log stove. Who need power. Can  even cook an old steak on it.


John
Title: Re: Winter '16-'17
Post by: chief-david on January 12, 2017, 08:06:45 PM
This is the thread from Chiefs Planet-I am a member

http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showthread.php?t=305075

I just hope games are better this week. Last weekend was some of the most dreadful NFL playoff games I can remember.

I watched all 4. Waste of 25 hours.
Title: Re: Winter '16-'17
Post by: WheatonRon on January 12, 2017, 08:29:13 PM
This is the thread from Chiefs Planet-I am a member

http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showthread.php?t=305075

I just hope games are better this week. Last weekend was some of the most dreadful NFL playoff games I can remember.

I watched all 4. Waste of 25 hours.

I didn't think the playoff games were that bad! As a Denver bronco fan, seeing the Raiders lose was great, but having Brock Osweiler have a decent game against the Raiders was concerning (I don't like Brock as he left the Broncos high and dry after they won the Super Bowl last year). Normally, I hope New England loses but since they play Brock this weekend, I hope New England wins, but loses the following week.

Irrespective of the above, the college championship game on Monday was nothing short of spectacular!
Title: Re: Winter '16-'17
Post by: Bunty on January 13, 2017, 03:34:47 AM
It's called Winter Storm Jupiter.   https://weather.com/news/weather/news/winter-storm-jupiter-impacts-washington-oregon (https://weather.com/news/weather/news/winter-storm-jupiter-impacts-washington-oregon)
Title: Re: Winter '16-'17
Post by: WeatherHost on January 13, 2017, 07:18:15 AM
It's called Winter Storm Jupiter. 

Not by anyone that matters.


Title: Re: Winter '16-'17
Post by: WeatherHost on January 13, 2017, 07:19:24 AM
Odd when the NWS doesn't even know what's falling:

Title: Re: Winter '16-'17
Post by: Jáchym on January 13, 2017, 07:25:36 AM
Looks like an UFO to me :D
Title: Re: Winter '16-'17
Post by: tbrasel on January 13, 2017, 07:31:50 AM
It's called Winter Storm Jupiter. 

Not by anyone that matters.

A valid point!!
Title: Re: Winter '16-'17
Post by: chief-david on January 13, 2017, 07:54:20 AM
It's called Winter Storm Jupiter.   https://weather.com/news/weather/news/winter-storm-jupiter-impacts-washington-oregon (https://weather.com/news/weather/news/winter-storm-jupiter-impacts-washington-oregon)

That has to be one of the stupidest things I have heard.
Title: Re: Winter '16-'17
Post by: gwwilk on January 13, 2017, 09:10:04 AM
It's called Winter Storm Jupiter.
Nice troll! :grin:
Title: Re: Winter '16-'17
Post by: chief-david on January 13, 2017, 09:55:52 AM
Weather channel on impacts of playoff game in KC.
https://weather.com/forecast/regional/news/nfl-playoffs-kansas-city-ice-storm-jupiter-jan-2017

There is a small chance it could be postponed until Monday. Player and fan safety. That is an unprecedented move by the NFL.

IF they do play it-it could be the new Ice Bowl.
Title: Re: Winter '16-'17
Post by: chief-david on January 13, 2017, 02:58:30 PM
Trent Green ✔ @trentgreen10
Word on the street is Chiefs/Steelers moving to Sunday night. Ice storm!!! NFL to have official announcement and specifics soon.
1:49 PM - 13 Jan 2017
Title: Re: Winter '16-'17
Post by: CW2274 on January 13, 2017, 03:14:31 PM
Trent Green ✔ @trentgreen10
Word on the street is Chiefs/Steelers moving to Sunday night. Ice storm!!! NFL to have official announcement and specifics soon.
1:49 PM - 13 Jan 2017
Confirmed. Game moved to 8:20 ET.
Title: Re: Winter '16-'17
Post by: DoctorKnow on January 13, 2017, 03:24:11 PM
My station hit 80 F this afternoon, after being in the 20's just days ago. Welcome to NC, but even this is extreme to me. I was cutting trees and sweating...
Title: Re: Winter '16-'17
Post by: chief-david on January 13, 2017, 03:29:28 PM
I dont ever think a playoff game has ever been moved.
Title: Re: Winter '16-'17
Post by: EastFrisianGuy on January 13, 2017, 06:37:56 PM
Got our first real snowfall this morning, which even settled for a few hours- though the snow cover was very thin only about 1 cm (less than 1/2 inch), so it was no surprise that it thawed just a few hours later. But its a start. Temperature range is rather small here, low this morning was 0°C (32°F) and the high 4°C (40°F). Weather still feels more like late fall than winter here at the coast.
Title: Re: Winter '16-'17
Post by: Jáchym on January 13, 2017, 06:47:08 PM
How is the wind in Germany Georg?

It is now temporarily warmer here, snow is quickly melting away, but from Monday we should be back to -15C (5F)
Title: Re: Winter '16-'17
Post by: Bunty on January 14, 2017, 02:46:04 AM
It's called Winter Storm Jupiter.
Nice troll! :grin:

Then what is so profoundly wrong and stupid about giving winter storms names, other than this storm, so far, should have been more aptly named Winter Storm Pluto?
Title: Re: Winter '16-'17
Post by: sundevil01010101 on January 14, 2017, 07:02:10 AM
It's called Winter Storm Jupiter.
Nice troll! :grin:

Then what is so profoundly wrong and stupid about giving winter storms names, other than this storm, so far, should have been more aptly named Winter Storm Pluto?

Can't wait to see the responses of this crowd who seem to be in a permanent bad mood about everything....
Title: Re: Winter '16-'17
Post by: gwwilk on January 14, 2017, 07:37:51 AM
It's called Winter Storm Jupiter.
Nice troll! :grin:

Then what is so profoundly wrong and stupid about giving winter storms names, other than this storm, so far, should have been more aptly named Winter Storm Pluto?
First and foremost, our continental winter storms aren't nearly as well defined as tropical storms.  There is no way for all to agree on what is or isn't a real storm that deserves a name.  What about localized lake effect 'storms'?  Where do they fit into the picture.  If this is such a great idea, then why doesn't the WC advocate for naming rainstorms as well?  Naming continental winter storms is just a marketing ploy, plain and simple.  I see no real scientific basis for it, and yes, I do get grumpy when people are playing foul with foul weather.
Title: Re: Winter '16-'17
Post by: sundevil01010101 on January 14, 2017, 07:55:29 AM
Lol, I love the indignation level here.

Weather is such a thing of passion! :)
Title: Re: Winter '16-'17
Post by: Jáchym on January 14, 2017, 08:47:25 AM
Severe weather warning: Pluto is coming

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/6/6d/Plutodog.gif)
Title: Re: Winter '16-'17
Post by: George Richardson on January 14, 2017, 09:41:37 AM
I think it's wonderful that Big (or is it little) Al and the WC get to practice naming storms since by next summer they will have to be naming the tropical storms with the demise of the NWS which will be unnecessary in the near future. :twisted:
Title: Re: Winter '16-'17
Post by: Aardvark on January 14, 2017, 10:07:42 AM
Great, just great... now we are naming winter storms. 
Oh ours is to hit tonight,tomorrow and Monday.  after the debris hits, then thaw later in the week.

https://www.wunderground.com/video?video=7064645996 (https://www.wunderground.com/video?video=7064645996)
Title: Re: Winter '16-'17
Post by: chief-david on January 14, 2017, 10:28:36 AM
We have a winter storm watch for Monday. More for the uncertainty of it all.

We have all determined that naming winter storms is stupid. It won't stick. We should move on.
Title: Re: Winter '16-'17
Post by: Aardvark on January 14, 2017, 11:06:52 AM
We have a winter storm watch for Monday. More for the uncertainty of it all.

We have all determined that naming winter storms is stupid. It won't stick. We should move on.
Title: Re: Winter '16-'17
Post by: chief-david on January 14, 2017, 11:09:58 AM
Northern Minnesota town got so cold the water tower froze

KENNEDY, Minn. — Residents of Kennedy experienced a brief water outage early Friday due to a freeze-up in their water tower.

Kennedy Mayor Todd Truedson said the town has been able to pull water from the North Kittson Rural Water system to make up for the gap in service from the offline tower. Workers from the rural water system and the city’s maintenance crew were inspecting the tower before noon Friday to determine the extent of the freeze.

“I know they’ve had issues in years past,” said Truedson of the tower, “but when it’s 25 below, it kind of clipped us here. To be honest, the problem is our city doesn’t use enough water.”

Kennedy is about 60 miles north of East Grand Forks, in the northwestern corner of Minnesota.

Truedson said the tower is equipped with a system to keep water moving, but the low volume being drawn through the pipes contributed to the freeze. Crews were trying to figure out how much ice had actually accumulated in the tower. Truedson said the tower is largely empty at the moment.

Kennedy residents would be able to draw from the rural water system through the rest of the winter if the tower is kept offline.
Title: Re: Winter '16-'17
Post by: Aardvark on January 14, 2017, 11:26:34 AM
we don't have that problem as long as the electrical feed to the water plant keeps the pumps moving.   I bought ice melt compound and have a pair of ice cleats as well, but if I don't have to go out it is a blessing.  ok I do have to take the dog out for a deturding.
Title: Re: Winter '16-'17
Post by: chief-david on January 14, 2017, 07:10:10 PM
It was 24F today. Warmest temp in 3 days. 

If you look at the midwest ice storm. It looks like it is slowly moving. Still may cause issues in KC tomorrow morning
Title: Re: Winter '16-'17
Post by: Bunty on January 14, 2017, 08:35:31 PM
Fortunately, the ice storm here remains largely to be a bust from what it was hyped up to be.   Freezing rain came down last night, but well short of the expected accumulation of .25".  Average ice accumulation was put at  approximately 1/8".   Streets and sidewalks remained wet.  Not much ice had built up on the trees, so they didn't bend much.  No power outages.  Tonight's wave looks more of the same, except the temp may be just barely enough above freezing to help prevent  more ice accumulation.  Anyway, NWS forecast has .1 to .2" more accumulation.  Sunday night will be the last of it when temps will raise above 40 with new rainfall amounts between a half and three quarters of an inch possible.  But Oklahoma City TV weathermen expect downpours for Sunday night with amounts going over an inch in Stillwater. We'll see how that hype pans out.

City of Stillwater Emergency Management Agency statement on the ice situation as of 8pm Saturday:

Hey fb friends,
We have visited with law enforcement in the area and there are no reports of any travel problems. A few accidents had occurred but the reason was not weather related. With the heavy rainfall we want to remind you that there is some ponding occurring.

Field Services will have crews on overnight and tomorrow through noon, as a precaution.

SEU is working a small outage. The cause of the outage was not known at the time of this update.

The majority of the moisture we were receiving was in the form of moderate rain. We stopped at several locations and measured the ice accumulations and found that it varied significantly. We did see ice as little as a thin coat to just over a 1/4". We expect the accumulations could grow overnight, but not significantly.

We will report to work in the morning around 4am to check the roads, the weather and update social media. If we begin experiencing problems that are determined to be weather related, we will go in sooner.

Stay safe, drive slow and stay warm. ~em
 
Title: Re: Winter '16-'17
Post by: chief-david on January 14, 2017, 09:11:00 PM
Hopefully that continue to break up.  Your report is encouraging.
Title: Re: Winter '16-'17
Post by: Aardvark on January 15, 2017, 02:38:19 AM
then we have this:
Title: Re: Winter '16-'17
Post by: Bunty on January 15, 2017, 04:13:26 AM
(https://www.orangepower.com/attachments/img_0192-jpg.52388/)
Title: Re: Winter '16-'17
Post by: Bunty on January 15, 2017, 03:23:00 PM
Things today look much better in Stillwater. All the ice has melted off trees and other plants.  My rain and wind gauges thawed out.    The precipitation amount has, so far, come to 1.17" with as much as an inch more to come through until early Monday morning.  Boomer Lake and other area lakes can use the water.  I was very glad this ice storm didn't get anywhere near as bad as the last bad one back in 2002.

The hardest hit part of the Oklahoma, the northwest, as in Woodward, may disagree that the ice storm was too much based on overblown  media hype.
Title: Re: Winter '16-'17
Post by: CW2274 on January 15, 2017, 03:27:58 PM
(https://www.orangepower.com/attachments/img_0192-jpg.52388/)
Boy, that's a hellofa hook behind his right shoulder.
Title: Re: Winter '16-'17
Post by: chief-david on January 15, 2017, 04:03:34 PM
This station is having issues
Title: Re: Winter '16-'17
Post by: Jáchym on January 15, 2017, 05:16:48 PM
I also wonder how the feels like is calculated, if the wind was 255mph I would assume the feels like to be a bit lower :D
Title: Re: Winter '16-'17
Post by: Scalphunter on January 15, 2017, 11:25:00 PM
(http://i666.photobucket.com/albums/vv23/Scalphunter_photos/Mobile%20Uploads/20170112_134938_zpsnf0ldlvo.jpg) (http://s666.photobucket.com/user/Scalphunter_photos/media/Mobile%20Uploads/20170112_134938_zpsnf0ldlvo.jpg.html)

Put the orange beast to work this morning at -25 removing the week end snow. So far 25.5 inches  since first snow and  have 13 inches on the ground. Even tho we have not had any real snow eater  over foot of snow has been sublime away. More snow tonight and tomorrow. Temperatures been raising up the past couple hours.

John
Cena
Title: Re: Winter '16-'17
Post by: Bunty on January 16, 2017, 03:29:14 AM
Precipitation now as of 2:30 am appears to be mostly over with here from this weekend's mighty storm system.  It amounted to 2.26" in my rain gauge.  It will be interesting to see how much of a dent it makes in the drought, now classified as severe.  About all of Oklahoma got well soaked.  Much of Texas got it, too.

(http://www.mesonet.org/data/public/mesonet/maps/realtime/rainrfc.48hr.png?1484556987892)

(http://droughtmonitor.unl.edu/data/pngs/current/current_ok_trd.png?1386457140)
Title: Re: Winter '16-'17
Post by: Aardvark on January 16, 2017, 12:02:19 PM
We have ice, water on ice, rain on ice , ice on ice. No wind much so that is good.  Temperatures are 32 and cloudy so not much is melting.
I have ice cleats so I trotted out, er crunched out to the ISS.   The rain bucket has some water in it,but it is frozen . So  tomorrow when it melts, I get readings there.

It really could be worse if we had wind with this.  My car has a remote start so my windows are cleaned off, the wife will require some chipping away in the morning. 
The city truck came by and dumped some salt on the ice, but.. with the rain .. it has floated down the street.

Weather to be in the 50s later this week, so since not much is moving out there, we are home.
Title: Re: Winter '16-'17
Post by: Jáchym on January 16, 2017, 08:03:39 PM
Just curious... if you were talking about this winter and you only used "one year", would you say this is winter 2016 or winter 2017?
Title: Re: Winter '16-'17
Post by: CW2274 on January 16, 2017, 08:32:07 PM
Just curious... if you were talking about this winter and you only used "one year", would you say this is winter 2016 or winter 2017?
I think most here (US) would say neither. It's as stated, or otherwise ambiguous.
Title: Re: Winter '16-'17
Post by: Bunty on January 16, 2017, 08:55:24 PM
Just curious... if you were talking about this winter and you only used "one year", would you say this is winter 2016 or winter 2017?

It's Winter 2017.   The  lows during Winter 2016 did not drop to around zero.
Title: Re: Winter '16-'17
Post by: CW2274 on January 16, 2017, 08:59:21 PM
Just curious... if you were talking about this winter and you only used "one year", would you say this is winter 2016 or winter 2017?

It's Winter 2017.   The  lows during Winter 2016 did not drop to around zero.
What about in the future? Which 2017 is it, 16-17 or 17-18?
Title: Re: Winter '16-'17
Post by: WeatherHost on January 17, 2017, 02:43:06 AM
Just curious... if you were talking about this winter and you only used "one year", would you say this is winter 2016 or winter 2017?

No matter how you look at it (December-January-February or December 21 - March 21), Winter always spans years. 

Title: Re: Winter '16-'17
Post by: Jáchym on January 17, 2017, 05:12:35 AM
Yes I know, I was only asking because sometimes I had to refer to it just using one year and previously I would always use the year of the first month, i.e. Dec and say this is the winter of 2016. So I was little surprised when I started working at the Czech Hydrometeorological Institute, that everyone used the year of the other two months, i.e. for us now this is winter of 2017.
Obviously you should always try using 2016/2017, but in some cases you have to choose, for example when I was doing some stats from 1961 to 2010, I wasnt sure if I should include Jan and Feb 1961 (the analysis concentrated on seasons, so I had to know which one is winter 1961).
Title: Re: Winter '16-'17
Post by: Scalphunter on January 17, 2017, 02:23:08 PM
38 below here this morning. The ole Davis  quit sending data  at 35 below. My OS system still sending data. Guess they have something right over the higher price Davis.

John
Title: Re: Winter '16-'17
Post by: Scalphunter on January 17, 2017, 02:27:50 PM
here is today forecast.


Today

A slight chance of snow before 3pm, then flurries after 3pm. Partly sunny, with a temperature falling to around -33 by 5pm. Wind chill values as low as -50. Southeast wind around 5 mph. Chance of precipitation is 20%.


Tonight

Flurries before midnight. Areas of ice fog after midnight. Partly cloudy, with a low around -43. Wind chill values as low as -55. Southeast wind around 5 mph becoming southwest after midnight.
Title: Re: Winter '16-'17
Post by: Scalphunter on January 17, 2017, 02:40:31 PM
Alaska Temperature Extremes.
:  Highest Temperature Last 24 Hours.
:   48 at Annette
:  Lowest Temperature Last 12 Hours.
:  -47 at Shungnak

95 degrees difference between high and low temp
Title: Re: Winter '16-'17
Post by: Jáchym on January 17, 2017, 05:30:42 PM
Alaska Temperature Extremes.
:  Highest Temperature Last 24 Hours.
:   48 at Annette
:  Lowest Temperature Last 12 Hours.
:  -47 at Shungnak

95 degrees difference between high and low temp

Here we had today abs max 44 and abs min -21, thats "only" 65 degrees difference, but you have to remember Alaska is huge :D 22 times larger than my country :D
Title: Re: Winter '16-'17
Post by: Scalphunter on January 17, 2017, 06:33:52 PM
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/59/Alaska_area_compared_to_conterminous_US.svg/1184px-Alaska_area_compared_to_conterminous_US.svg.png

Check this out Jac. 

John
Title: Re: Winter '16-'17
Post by: Jáchym on January 17, 2017, 06:45:41 PM
Yeah I know John, now look at Florida, CZ is 2.5 times smaller :D
Title: Re: Winter '16-'17
Post by: Jáchym on January 17, 2017, 07:14:01 PM
John, there was just an article on one of the news websites here in CZ about driving in very cold weather and as a curiosity there were some videos from Russia showing how well different cars cope at very low temperatures (especially with diesel engines :D)

Just wondering, the coldest T in the videos is -40 (C or F, you decide :D), what car do you have and how easy is it to start the engine in such T?

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/embed/OXm2FaXqskE[/youtube]

Listen to some of those noises these engines make.... Im not sure I would have the guts to continue trying.... In some cases I really thought the whole thing is just going to burst :D
Title: Re: Winter '16-'17
Post by: Scalphunter on January 17, 2017, 07:54:24 PM
  Interesting.  Old Diesel if they had longer preheat time they may have started quicker. problem with the computer controls in cars now days.
 My orange beast has 3 cylinder diesel and after  10-15 sec manual preheat it  fires off and  idles to get oil moving  thru engine.  The wife Mercedes ML-320  starts  with just an bump on the ignition. She tends to hold the ignition bit more then I do. My  Ford F150  starts with no problem either. Bump the starter  to get  engine rotating then let flywheel take over. Warm up for about 5 minutes or so  on all then move slowly  for tires and  metal parts to warm up.

Thanks Jac


John
Title: Re: Winter '16-'17
Post by: Jáchym on January 17, 2017, 08:03:27 PM
Yes, some cars can handle this :D

-73 F :D

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/embed/K_DX4ghCgtU[/youtube]
Title: Re: Winter '16-'17
Post by: tbrasel on January 17, 2017, 08:18:31 PM
Jáchym;

For some reason that reminded me to ask you what (actually) caused the gym roof to collapse over in your area, was it snow?   
Title: Re: Winter '16-'17
Post by: Scalphunter on January 17, 2017, 08:20:31 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=85AMKsw8Png

This was back in the 50's and it was diesel/electric.  24 vdc motor in each wheel. operated in all  type weather and needed no roads.

John
Title: Re: Winter '16-'17
Post by: Scalphunter on January 17, 2017, 08:29:02 PM
35 below and dropping and it only 1630 here going be an 4 dog night.  My mercury min/max is  no longer recording as temps drop.

John
Title: Re: Winter '16-'17
Post by: Jáchym on January 17, 2017, 09:03:07 PM
Jáchym;

For some reason that reminded me to ask you what (actually) caused the gym roof to collapse over in your area, was it snow?

Most likely not,  it was just days before it was officially supposed to be opened and so far it looks like it was poorly designed and built.  Fortunately noone was injured
Title: Re: Winter '16-'17
Post by: Scalphunter on January 17, 2017, 10:21:50 PM
1830  and hit the -40 mark and mesowest is showing some stations at-45 or better


John
Title: Re: Winter '16-'17
Post by: Scalphunter on January 18, 2017, 03:48:18 PM
(http://i666.photobucket.com/albums/vv23/Scalphunter_photos/Mobile%20Uploads/20170118_111246_zpsdl3yqqsg.jpg) (http://s666.photobucket.com/user/Scalphunter_photos/media/Mobile%20Uploads/20170118_111246_zpsdl3yqqsg.jpg.html)

Fairbanks hit 50 below. Elevation kept us out of that range. By the way is this enough justication CW  for wanting an Rainwise....

John
Title: Re: Winter '16-'17
Post by: Scalphunter on January 18, 2017, 03:51:08 PM
  Alaska Temperature Extremes.
:  Highest Temperature Last 24 Hours.
:   50 at Annette
:  Lowest Temperature Last 12 Hours.
:  -53 at Tanana
:
Title: Re: Winter '16-'17
Post by: CW2274 on January 18, 2017, 04:17:04 PM
By the way is this enough justication CW  for wanting an Rainwise....
John
If that's meant for me, it's unnecessary, as I don't need to justify anything for you. I like RW, it was my second choice, and the coldest I've ever gotten here with my VP2 is 18F. That's justification enough for me to have a VP2, and not a RW, among other important reasons to me.
Title: Re: Winter '16-'17
Post by: Jáchym on January 18, 2017, 04:35:48 PM
(http://i666.photobucket.com/albums/vv23/Scalphunter_photos/Mobile%20Uploads/20170118_111246_zpsdl3yqqsg.jpg) (http://s666.photobucket.com/user/Scalphunter_photos/media/Mobile%20Uploads/20170118_111246_zpsdl3yqqsg.jpg.html)

Fairbanks hit 50 below. Elevation kept us out of that range. By the way is this enough justication CW  for wanting an Rainwise....

John

Even though it got colder again here (currently approximately -9C, +16F) I have to say Im jealous John, send us some cold front to Europe :D
Title: Re: Winter '16-'17
Post by: Scalphunter on January 18, 2017, 05:26:03 PM

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If that's meant for me, it's unnecessary, as I don't need to justify anything for you. I like RW, it was my second choice, and the coldest I've ever gotten here with my VP2 is 18F. That's justification enough for me to have a VP2, and not a RW, among other important reasons to me.





 Yes it was. The way you came across at me  was like why do you need something that records -60.  That was why I told you to look it up. It was from you justify why do you need an station to measure  60 below. Not every one  lives where you can walk around in Tee and shorts all year long.  Seem like  never can say anything here with out explain  the reason or  ruffling feathers. That the reason gussuk.

John
Title: Re: Winter '16-'17
Post by: CW2274 on January 18, 2017, 05:40:38 PM

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If that's meant for me, it's unnecessary, as I don't need to justify anything for you. I like RW, it was my second choice, and the coldest I've ever gotten here with my VP2 is 18F. That's justification enough for me to have a VP2, and not a RW, among other important reasons to me.





 Yes it was. The way you came across at me  was like why do you need something that records -60.  That was why I told you to look it up. It was from you justify why do you need an station to measure  60 below. Not every one  lives where you can walk around in Tee and shorts all year long.  Seem like  never can say anything here with out explain  the reason or  ruffling feathers. That the reason gussuk.

John
What the hell is your problem?? I haven't said WORD ONE about this, except asking you how cold you've been at your house 3 MONTHS AGO, and all of a sudden you post this BS. Obviously you're bored and want to pick a fight. Go find some other whipping boy, cause this one ain't playing.
Title: Re: Winter '16-'17
Post by: Jáchym on January 19, 2017, 08:22:40 PM
This winter is definitely one of the coldest since 2000. The temps are not extremely low, but they are definitely below the average, but more importantly, it has been like this practically since New Year.

Few minutes ago the temperature got below -12C (10F) again. On the attached map you can see how the Arctic front moved right to the center of Europe, the arrow shows you where I live. You can also see that we are now much colder than even places much more further North

Also the pressure is quite high at 1036hPa (30.6inHg). It is supposed to be like this for at least a few more days. Daily max is usually around -5C (23F)
Title: Re: Winter '16-'17
Post by: Scalphunter on January 21, 2017, 04:13:42 PM
Here is what in store for tonight.

Central and Eastern Interior...Pretty tricky forecast. The
decaying front/convergence zone will not be moving very much, so
hard to determine which areas will clear and which will stay
cloudy. Expect the flurries to taper back a bit, but there is a
constant feed of moisture from Cook Inlet north into the interior
through this evening. Still expect clouds to hang around between
Manley Hot Springs to Eagle. From Tanana to Allakaket to Bettles
to Coldfoot expect temperatures to fall to near 50 below. Lows in
the Upper Tanana Valley will be in the 40s below. Most other areas
will see temperatures fall into the 30s below. Winds generally
light.
Title: Re: Winter '16-'17
Post by: Jstx on January 21, 2017, 05:33:53 PM
Sorry guys, but I'm having to cut a bunch of grass and weeds today, sweating my butt off out there (only 81 degrees F ATT).
 A couple of hundred miles to the south, in our old homeplace of the Valley, at this moment it is more than 93 freakin' degrees F in Brownsville, TX.
Don't beleive me, check it here:  http://weather.unisys.com/satellite/sat_sfc.php?inv=0&t=cur (http://weather.unisys.com/satellite/sat_sfc.php?inv=0&t=cur)  , (you can specify previous hours too)
Around here the plant life has been thoroughly confused, some of it, like huisache, is even showing signs of leafing out, with many others (and huisache is normally a solid indicator of spring, leafing around Easter w/o fail). A few weeks ago we had some rain and it went from the normal mostly brown winter vegetation to springtime green in a few days time. Been cutting grass all 'winter' long, dang it. From the way the cardinals and other birds are behaving, they're getting 'tricked' too (appear to be beginning mating time, months early, I've even been seeing effen butterflies fluttering around).

Y'all serious WX followers do know that this rather abnormal winter is mostly due to the probable Climate Change caused displacement of the Arctic region winter cold pool onto the Northern Hemisphere landmasses, don't you? Temps and ice formation near the N Pole are way off of normal towards warm/hot. Meanwhile Antarctica ice is breaking up on an unprecedented scale (in geological timescale, not ours). WASF'ed now.
Title: Re: Winter '16-'17
Post by: Jáchym on January 21, 2017, 05:52:08 PM
You better not talk about climate change or we are going to have another flame debate here... (I tried many times :D)
Title: Re: Winter '16-'17
Post by: WheatonRon on January 21, 2017, 06:01:18 PM
The Chicago area has had a real weird winter. We got more than our share of cold and snow in December and early January. It is now mid-January and we are getting rain and today it got 59F at my house. 2 inches of rain this week that fell on frozen ground has made water standing around in several locations. This rain was helpful as it has pushed me to calibrate my two VP2s, something I should have done long ago. The rain mechanisms in these Davis products are either new or were replaced in 2016. My CoCo gauge got 1.26 inches of rain, one of my VP2s got .80 and the other got .59! All relatively close to each other, very little wind and the rainfall was fairly slow and consistent. And yes, all gauges were clear of snow and ice before the rains arrived. Time to get serious before spring rains arrive! I just purchased a Davis tripod for this calibration exercise that I will use to temporarily mount one of my VP2s. I will place it right next to a table that will have my CoCo gauge and my Rainwise 111, so all three will be at about the same height and within three feet of each other and I can ensure the tippers are level! Once I get one VP2 calibrated I will swap it out for the other VP2! I will try actual rainfall at first, then compare the calibrated VP2 to the Davis' approach to calibrating a VP2. I will win this battle! We will probably get snow before I get done, but at least I will a process in place to get my VP2s close to reality when reporting rain.
Title: Re: Winter '16-'17
Post by: CW2274 on January 21, 2017, 06:25:10 PM
My CoCo gauge got 1.26 inches of rain, one of my VP2s got .80 and the other got .59! All relatively close to each other
What the.... :shock:  After accidentally jacking up my RW tipper, I used the Coco (and scale) to re-calibrate it and they have been perfectly identical since. Very pleased! =D&gt;
Title: Re: Winter '16-'17
Post by: Scalphunter on January 21, 2017, 06:54:22 PM
So far for an warmer Artic    we are having an normal winter with our temps and snow fall. Temps fell in line with the records and  not just the past 30 years either. Snow fall is on the normal mark for lot of places here.  Now if only could send  some more of this cold stuff south.

John
Title: Re: Winter '16-'17
Post by: ValentineWeather on January 21, 2017, 06:59:52 PM
My CoCo gauge got 1.26 inches of rain, one of my VP2s got .80 and the other got .59! All relatively close to each other
What the.... :shock:  After accidentally jacking up my RW tipper, I used the Coco (and scale) to re-calibrate it and they have been perfectly identical since. Very pleased! =D&gt;
I really like the Raniwise 111 model. I ordered a couple more few days ago. Best price I've found is http://www.fondriest.com/rainwise-rainew-rainfall-gauges.htm plus $17 shipping for 2 units.

I need a backup gauge and plan on installing second unit on Davis station outside of town.
Title: Re: Winter '16-'17
Post by: Jáchym on January 21, 2017, 07:03:07 PM
So far for an warmer Artic    we are having an normal winter with our temps and snow fall. Temps fell in line with the records and  not just the past 30 years either. Snow fall is on the normal mark for lot of places here.  Now if only could send  some more of this cold stuff south.

John

Send some cold stuff west, or east, depends, Im about half way :D
Title: Re: Winter '16-'17
Post by: CW2274 on January 21, 2017, 07:08:45 PM
My CoCo gauge got 1.26 inches of rain, one of my VP2s got .80 and the other got .59! All relatively close to each other
What the.... :shock:  After accidentally jacking up my RW tipper, I used the Coco (and scale) to re-calibrate it and they have been perfectly identical since. Very pleased! =D&gt;
I really like the Raniwise 111 model.
Indeed, especially when screwed into the top of a cider block wall and leveled! No shimmy with that, unlike my VP2 ISS on a tripod. :roll:
Title: Re: Winter '16-'17
Post by: WheatonRon on January 21, 2017, 07:09:41 PM
My CoCo gauge got 1.26 inches of rain, one of my VP2s got .80 and the other got .59! All relatively close to each other
What the.... :shock:  After accidentally jacking up my RW tipper, I used the Coco (and scale) to re-calibrate it and they have been perfectly identical since. Very pleased! =D&gt;
I really like the Raniwise 111 model. I ordered a couple more few days ago. Best price I've found is http://www.fondriest.com/rainwise-rainew-rainfall-gauges.htm plus $17 shipping for 2 units.

I need a backup gauge and plan on installing second unit on Davis station outside of town.

I got my Rainwise 111 last June for $69.98 including shipping. I bought it at Premier products.
Title: Re: Winter '16-'17
Post by: WheatonRon on January 21, 2017, 07:19:37 PM
And Davis just announced a new rain collector.

http://www.wxforum.net/index.php?topic=31267.new#new

Doesn't look like an 8" collector which would improve accuracy!
Title: Re: Winter '16-'17
Post by: ValentineWeather on January 21, 2017, 07:34:59 PM
Are you kidding me? LOL  ](*,) figured I would need to spend more money. Is that on Davis site yet?
Title: Re: Winter '16-'17
Post by: WheatonRon on January 21, 2017, 07:43:42 PM
Are you kidding me? LOL  ](*,) figured I would need to spend more money. Is that on Davis site yet?

I do not see this collector on Davis website. It would appear that this new cone would be used on all future VP2s! I view this as putting lipstick on a pig! The VP2 needs a larger collector and the engineers came up with this?
Title: Re: Winter '16-'17
Post by: ValentineWeather on January 21, 2017, 07:47:00 PM
Are you kidding me? LOL  ](*,) figured I would need to spend more money. Is that on Davis site yet?

I do not see this collector on Davis website. It would appear that this new cone would be used on all future VP2s! I view this as putting lipstick on a pig! The VP2 needs a larger collector and the engineers come up with this?

Look at the price $30. You know engineering must of spent years on development, just kidding.  But it can't be worse than before can it? Worth a shot I guess.
Title: Re: Winter '16-'17
Post by: CW2274 on January 21, 2017, 07:48:57 PM
And Davis just announced a new rain collector.

http://www.wxforum.net/index.php?topic=31267.new#new

Doesn't look like an 8" collector which would improve accuracy!
Looks like I should stir fry in it. However, unlike the other 50% of the country, I'll give it AND Trump a chance to succeed. ;) Sorry, couldn't help... :lol:
Title: Re: Winter '16-'17
Post by: WheatonRon on January 21, 2017, 07:50:59 PM
Are you kidding me? LOL  ](*,) figured I would need to spend more money. Is that on Davis site yet?

I do not see this collector on Davis website. It would appear that this new cone would be used on all future VP2s! I view this as putting lipstick on a pig! The VP2 needs a larger collector and the engineers came up with this?

Look at the price $30. You know engineering must of spent years on development, just kidding.  But it can't be worse than before can it? Worth a shot I guess.

Yep. For $30 I guess you can't fall out of a hole!
Title: Re: Winter '16-'17
Post by: ValentineWeather on January 21, 2017, 08:01:32 PM
Don't get excited that's not a new Davis rain gauge. See other thread
Title: Re: Winter '16-'17
Post by: WheatonRon on January 21, 2017, 08:14:25 PM
Don't get excited that's not a new Davis rain gauge. See other thread

Yep! Just a new plastic cone!
Title: Re: Winter '16-'17
Post by: Jstx on January 21, 2017, 09:00:48 PM
You better not talk about climate change or we are going to have another flame debate here... (I tried many times :D)


Well the topic is: "Re: Winter '16-'17", so some reference to documented weather or climate abnormality ought to be acceptable.
I can clarify a bit, first my own words about "brown veg": that's standard deciduous veg. We have a lot of year-round greenery too of course, and then there are those still green pesky Live Oaks that 'normally' drop their leaves in late Spring; they have been dropping significantly the last month, dang it (I've got one that may be 1000 y/o+, with a lot of history since a very old NAm trail, a Spanish Camino Real, and a road used by the Texian Revolutionaries passed under it).
Now, about what I called an 'Arctic cold pool displacement'. What I meant was the "Arctic Polar Vortex", and explaining it is way above my paygrade.
I'll just quote part of an article from Nature magazine (the scientific world's most prestigious general circulation pub, I think, 1/2 cut above the "Scientific American" mag, which I've read and subscribed to since the '60's):

http://www.nature.com/nclimate/journal/v6/n12/full/nclimate3136.html (http://www.nature.com/nclimate/journal/v6/n12/full/nclimate3136.html)

(bolding mine)
"The wintertime Arctic stratospheric polar vortex has weakened over the past three decades, and consequently cold surface air from high latitudes is now more likely to move into the middle latitudes1, 2, 3, 4, 5. However, it is not known if the location of the polar vortex has also experienced a persistent change in response to Arctic climate change and whether any changes in the vortex position have implications for the climate system. Here, through the analysis of various data sets and model simulations, we show that the Arctic polar vortex shifted persistently towards the Eurasian continent and away from North America in February over the past three decades. This shift is found to be closely related to the enhanced zonal wavenumber-1 waves in response to Arctic sea-ice loss, particularly over the Barents–Kara seas (BKS). Increased snow cover over the Eurasian continent may also have contributed to the shift. Our analysis reveals that the vortex shift induces cooling over some parts of the Eurasian continent and North America which partly offsets the tropospheric climate warming there in the past three decades. The potential vortex shift in response to persistent sea-ice loss in the future6, 7, and its associated climatic impact, deserve attention to better constrain future climate changes."

And I'm sure you're much more involved with this stuff than most of us, Jáchym. The rest of y'all can 'czech' it out (Jáchym, there's a significant Czech (and German and Polish, et al.) population here in South and Central Texas, most emigrated here from ~1840 and formed settlements that became towns, etc.
We've got an awesome range of food... :grin:).
Years ago my immigrant Polish step-father-in-law came down from subzero 'cold country' to see his grandkids exhibit their animals at the major Valley stockshow in Jan/Feb (can't remember exactly), and the ambient temperatures were in the upper 90's to over 100F all week, walking around the grounds and sitting in the rodeo arena. Talk about toughin' out a climate adjustment...poor guy.
Title: Re: Winter '16-'17
Post by: Scalphunter on January 21, 2017, 09:11:11 PM
you will find with little research that the AO tends to shift  towards Europe as it goes  thru positive phase. This with  conjunction with the NAO drive weather in Europe  and  to lesser extent the East coast of NA.

John
Title: Re: Winter '16-'17
Post by: Jstx on January 21, 2017, 09:18:27 PM
This winter is definitely one of the coldest since 2000. The temps are not extremely low, but they are definitely below the average, but more importantly, it has been like this practically since New Year.

Few minutes ago the temperature got below -12C (10F) again. On the attached map you can see how the Arctic front moved right to the center of Europe, the arrow shows you where I live. You can also see that we are now much colder than even places much more further North

Also the pressure is quite high at 1036hPa (30.6inHg). It is supposed to be like this for at least a few more days. Daily max is usually around -5C (23F)

I forgot to mention our BP here today (and recently). I was sort of amazed to come inside and notice that the baro was ~29.4 in, whaaa? is there a hurricane on the way?   :shock:  Off-hand, BP's like that seem pretty strange at this time of year here, baro's usually in the range of 29.8-30.5 (the 30.20's+ when normally ~weekly cold fronts roll through).
Title: Re: Winter '16-'17
Post by: Jáchym on January 22, 2017, 07:54:27 AM
You better not talk about climate change or we are going to have another flame debate here... (I tried many times :D)


Well the topic is: "Re: Winter '16-'17", so some reference to documented weather or climate abnormality ought to be acceptable.
I can clarify a bit, first my own words about "brown veg": that's standard deciduous veg. We have a lot of year-round greenery too of course, and then there are those still green pesky Live Oaks that 'normally' drop their leaves in late Spring; they have been dropping significantly the last month, dang it (I've got one that may be 1000 y/o+, with a lot of history since a very old NAm trail, a Spanish Camino Real, and a road used by the Texian Revolutionaries passed under it).
Now, about what I called an 'Arctic cold pool displacement'. What I meant was the "Arctic Polar Vortex", and explaining it is way above my paygrade.
I'll just quote part of an article from Nature magazine (the scientific world's most prestigious general circulation pub, I think, 1/2 cut above the "Scientific American" mag, which I've read and subscribed to since the '60's):

http://www.nature.com/nclimate/journal/v6/n12/full/nclimate3136.html (http://www.nature.com/nclimate/journal/v6/n12/full/nclimate3136.html)

(bolding mine)
"The wintertime Arctic stratospheric polar vortex has weakened over the past three decades, and consequently cold surface air from high latitudes is now more likely to move into the middle latitudes1, 2, 3, 4, 5. However, it is not known if the location of the polar vortex has also experienced a persistent change in response to Arctic climate change and whether any changes in the vortex position have implications for the climate system. Here, through the analysis of various data sets and model simulations, we show that the Arctic polar vortex shifted persistently towards the Eurasian continent and away from North America in February over the past three decades. This shift is found to be closely related to the enhanced zonal wavenumber-1 waves in response to Arctic sea-ice loss, particularly over the Barents–Kara seas (BKS). Increased snow cover over the Eurasian continent may also have contributed to the shift. Our analysis reveals that the vortex shift induces cooling over some parts of the Eurasian continent and North America which partly offsets the tropospheric climate warming there in the past three decades. The potential vortex shift in response to persistent sea-ice loss in the future6, 7, and its associated climatic impact, deserve attention to better constrain future climate changes."

And I'm sure you're much more involved with this stuff than most of us, Jáchym. The rest of y'all can 'czech' it out (Jáchym, there's a significant Czech (and German and Polish, et al.) population here in South and Central Texas, most emigrated here from ~1840 and formed settlements that became towns, etc.
We've got an awesome range of food... :grin:).
Years ago my immigrant Polish step-father-in-law came down from subzero 'cold country' to see his grandkids exhibit their animals at the major Valley stockshow in Jan/Feb (can't remember exactly), and the ambient temperatures were in the upper 90's to over 100F all week, walking around the grounds and sitting in the rodeo arena. Talk about toughin' out a climate adjustment...poor guy.

It isnt that bad here, but we are landlocked so quite continental and the differences between winter and summer can be substantial. This winter is below average, after several years of very warm winters it finally got cold (I like it :D). It has been freezing basically nonstop since New Year, at night it drops to around 5F. It didnt snow much, but because it is constantly freezing the snow stayed on ground.

My uncle lives in Dallas, but he has been there since 1968 and Ive never seen him, we are only in touch via social networks and he had very little contact with CZ in the past so sadly I had to tell him to talk to me in English because I found it almost impossible to understand his Czech...
Title: Re: Winter '16-'17
Post by: ValentineWeather on January 22, 2017, 08:00:40 AM
Here is the climate prediction 3 month outlook for USA Feb. March. April. Updated yesterday.
You can see southern areas of Texas still above normal temps.
Title: Re: Winter '16-'17
Post by: Jáchym on January 22, 2017, 08:23:14 AM
Just shows how different the US is from Europe. Here there is no way you could make any sort of prediction for such distant period of time. Because we are much less continental, Europe is much smaller and also much more diverse in terms of terrain etc. the maximum you can predict is about 2-3 weeks, even that is usually not very accurate and anything beyond that is pure guess based on statistics.

In my job we also make these so called "outlooks" and they are for the upcoming 3-4 weeks :D And that last week is usually just a guess
Title: Re: Winter '16-'17
Post by: WeatherHost on January 22, 2017, 08:32:30 AM
While recent temperatures may seem unusual, look back through your local area's High Temperature records and you may find they really aren't.  You can see the 1940s, 50s and 60s in this one including the two all time highs for the month (in red)..  First column is January, second is February.

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Title: Re: Winter '16-'17
Post by: ValentineWeather on January 22, 2017, 08:55:47 AM
Just shows how different the US is from Europe. Here there is no way you could make any sort of prediction for such distant period of time. Because we are much less continental, Europe is much smaller and also much more diverse in terms of terrain etc. the maximum you can predict is about 2-3 weeks, even that is usually not very accurate and anything beyond that is pure guess based on statistics.

In my job we also make these so called "outlooks" and they are for the upcoming 3-4 weeks :D And that last week is usually just a guess

I wondered about the accuracy also. Its actually just showing odds in % of normal, above and below.
Title: Re: Winter '16-'17
Post by: Scalphunter on January 22, 2017, 03:34:42 PM
Another global warming  4 dog night.  NWS predicted -28 for us which would been nice. Was at -40 when I got up this AM. Reaally think that the forecasting now coming  from DC rather then the local office. As valentine   noted before about how far off they were and to quote him

So much for the local forecast.


John
Title: Re: Winter '16-'17
Post by: Scalphunter on January 22, 2017, 03:49:38 PM
:  Alaska Temperature Extremes.
:  Highest Temperature Last 24 Hours.
:   48 at Annette
:  Lowest Temperature Last 12 Hours.
:  -51 at Tanana
:
Title: Re: Winter '16-'17
Post by: Jáchym on January 22, 2017, 03:56:55 PM
Just a question John,
how relevant do you think one night "somewhere in Alaska" is when talking about global climate? ;)
Title: Re: Winter '16-'17
Post by: WheatonRon on January 22, 2017, 04:07:32 PM
Just a question John,
how relevant do you think one night "somewhere in Alaska" is when talking about global climate? ;)

As good as some of the bogus "studies" out there!
Title: Re: Winter '16-'17
Post by: Jáchym on January 22, 2017, 04:09:16 PM
Just a question John,
how relevant do you think one night "somewhere in Alaska" is when talking about global climate? ;)

As good as some of the bogus "studies" out there!

True, some of the climate denying studies and their argumentation is ridiculous
Title: Re: Winter '16-'17
Post by: WheatonRon on January 22, 2017, 04:10:55 PM
Just a question John,
how relevant do you think one night "somewhere in Alaska" is when talking about global climate? ;)

As good as some of the bogus "studies" out there!

True, some of the climate denying studies and their argumentation is ridiculous

No, some of the bogus climate studies supporting global warming.
Title: Re: Winter '16-'17
Post by: Scalphunter on January 22, 2017, 04:19:10 PM
Jac I was  being sarcasive about the forecast saying it was warmer then what it was.  -40 is long ways  from -28 F. 


John
Title: Re: Winter '16-'17
Post by: Jáchym on January 22, 2017, 04:19:16 PM
Yes, in other words, you will always have good quality studies and poor quality studies for both points of view.
Title: Re: Winter '16-'17
Post by: WheatonRon on January 22, 2017, 04:22:42 PM
Yes, in other words, you will always have good quality studies and poor quality studies for both points of view.

Well put.
Title: Re: Winter '16-'17
Post by: chief-david on January 22, 2017, 04:24:21 PM
Yes, in other words, you will always have good quality studies and poor quality studies for both points of view.

I usually say "Follow the Money"
Title: Re: Winter '16-'17
Post by: Jáchym on January 22, 2017, 04:31:00 PM
Yes, which again goes back to what Ive said a million times here.

Lets not look at whether global warming is caused by humans or not - we will not agree on that and Im not going to go there.

What we do agree on however is that it is something we dont know. We do not know for sure, both of us probably think the other one is more probable, but none of us can be certain.

Im sure you will also agree with me that (no matter the cause) if global warming was taking place, it will have serious consequences for us.

From there it is logical we should invest money into trying to research this and also take precautious measures. If it turns out it is not caused by humans, well too bad, we did what we could. If yes, then these measures will become very useful and appreciated in the future.

Thats the point. If you ask people here in my country, about 99% will tell you that they either think global warming is caused by us, or that we dont know, they will understand that money has to be spent on this and that this spending might in some way lead to the fact one will have to sacrifice certain things.

Thats why it really annoys me when someone says "there is no global warming, I dont believe it, its money wasted. I want to drive my fuel inefficient pickup, I dont care about CO2 release, I will take flights as much as I want, overall, spending money for research in the field of global warming, using renewable sources, ecology etc. is waste of money, it is not in our economical benefit"

This is just absolutely short-sighted.

This whole thing about global warming and spending money on research and precatious measures could be compared to paying insurance. Like having a health insurance and then complaining how bad decision it was to get it since you werent sick.
Title: Re: Winter '16-'17
Post by: WeatherHost on January 22, 2017, 05:00:45 PM
I don't really need expensive studies when I can look back at actual temperature charts and show that certain temperature ranges aren't all that unusual.

Title: Re: Winter '16-'17
Post by: Jáchym on January 22, 2017, 05:05:58 PM
Yes so we are back where we were. Easiset option - lets pretend there is no problem and in case there is let others to deal with it in the future.

Given the size of the Earth, the amount of data, its interpretation, analysis, quality check etc etc.... you must be an absolute genius if you are able to work so efficiently that you looked at it all
Title: Re: Winter '16-'17
Post by: danner on January 22, 2017, 05:38:48 PM
Thats why it really annoys me when someone says "there is no global warming, I dont believe it, its money wasted. I want to drive my fuel inefficient pickup, I dont care about CO2 release, I will take flights as much as I want, overall, spending money for research in the field of global warming, using renewable sources, ecology etc. is waste of money, it is not in our economical benefit"

This is just absolutely short-sighted.
I disagree. What you are proposing is a "solution" looking for a problem.

If you (the global warming cultists, I mean, movement) want to convince people then prove it to them. Global warming cultists have claimed for 30+ years that the ice caps would be completely melted, "ice free", and Florida would be under 50 feet of water. That was supposed to have happened 10-15 years ago. Cultists claimed hurricanes would be larger, stronger, and happen more often. Nothing but lies. None of the sky is falling "predictions" from the cult of global warming has happened. My favorite is when it gets "hot" it is indisputable evidence of global warming/climate change, but when it is cold that it doesn't count because that's just "weather" and weather isn't climate.

If you want to piss people off, especially American's, then tell them that you don't have to prove anything, you know what's good for them, and that you intend to use government force to MAKE them do what you want them to do because you're "smart" and they're "uneducated rubes". That might go over well with sheep in california but here in middle America that attitude will go over like a fart in church.
Title: Re: Winter '16-'17
Post by: Jáchym on January 22, 2017, 06:06:13 PM
i dont want to insult anyone, so I will not comment on this
Title: Re: Winter '16-'17
Post by: WheatonRon on January 22, 2017, 06:39:28 PM
i dont want to insult anyone, so I will not comment on this

I got a great idea. The US will admit there might be some global warming, but refuse to contribute a dime, kroner, or whatever--let the rest if the world fix this issue, assuming it is an issue. We have enough government intrusion here in the US, I don't want any more, and with the new president, hopefully less!
Title: Re: Winter '16-'17
Post by: ValentineWeather on January 22, 2017, 06:44:50 PM
i dont want to insult anyone, so I will not comment on this

I got a great idea. The US will admit there might be some global warming, but refuse to contribute a dime, kroner, or whatever--let the rest if the world fix this issue, assuming it is an issue. We have enough government intrusion here in the US, I don't want any more, and with the new president, hopefully less!

I'll second that. Things are gonna change for sure, hopefully for the better. Course you know the Fake News outlets will try and paint a bleak picture no matter how good it gets.
Title: Re: Winter '16-'17
Post by: Jáchym on January 22, 2017, 06:50:01 PM
i dont want to insult anyone, so I will not comment on this

I got a great idea. The US will admit there might be some global warming, but refuse to contribute a dime, kroner, or whatever--let the rest if the world fix this issue, assuming it is an issue. We have enough government intrusion here in the US, I don't want any more, and with the new president, hopefully less!

You do the work and finance it, I will use it and enjoy the benefits - sometimes called selfishness and egoism, but whatever
Title: Re: Winter '16-'17
Post by: WheatonRon on January 22, 2017, 06:55:34 PM
i dont want to insult anyone, so I will not comment on this

I got a great idea. The US will admit there might be some global warming, but refuse to contribute a dime, kroner, or whatever--let the rest if the world fix this issue, assuming it is an issue. We have enough government intrusion here in the US, I don't want any more, and with the new president, hopefully less!

You do the work and finance it, I will use it and enjoy the benefits - sometimes called selfishness and egoism, but whatever

You are too young to understand. The US was the major financial backer of World War I, World War II, fighting problems in Iraq, etc.,etc. AND, they were real problems, not something debatable by our politicians!
Title: Re: Winter '16-'17
Post by: Jáchym on January 22, 2017, 06:58:26 PM
No I understand very well, you saved the world... all by yourself
Title: Re: Winter '16-'17
Post by: Jáchym on January 22, 2017, 06:59:45 PM
Lets just leave it, no point in continuing this debate, it leads nowhere.

Back to the topic:

It is slowly warming up here, currently -5C (23F) and windy
Title: Re: Winter '16-'17
Post by: WheatonRon on January 22, 2017, 07:06:20 PM
Lets just leave it, no point in continuing this debate, it leads nowhere.

Back to the topic:

It is slowly warming up here, currently -5C (23F) and windy

Great idea. And thanks for converting C to F! Saves me time!
Title: Re: Winter '16-'17
Post by: Jáchym on January 22, 2017, 07:11:58 PM
Yes, I also updated the Meteotemplate stickers plugin, so people who update it (I use it) now have both units. Just that my stupid hosting provider forces caching so you will only see current conditions for my signature banner if you hit CTRL+F5
Title: Re: Winter '16-'17
Post by: Jstx on January 22, 2017, 09:21:36 PM

I think I'll go with the 98% of educated, advanced degree'd, credentialed, peer-reviewed, meteorologists and climate scientists (like Jáchym I guess), who have access to, and study the huge volume of WX ingest data from the myriad satellite and station data, geologic and ocean current, and historical data (going back millions of years).
Rather than paying any serious attention to those who get their alleged 'factual knowledge' from compromised, financially beholden propaganda sources such as Fux Nooz and Rush Limpballs.

Reading a previous comment (unlinked, unattributed) here (I think in response to one of mine), I reviewed my own WX station HeavyWeather history file for Jan/Feb 2016, a year NOAA rated as abnormally warm. My one file, from my current (primary) home, showed a range from 34 to 82F degrees for those two winter months.
My impression from scanning that "outdoor temp" field, recorded every five minutes, is that the average monthly temps (mine) would be ~54F/Jan, 64F/Feb.
I'd be happy to post those months data here, but not sure about size. The whole history file is ~14MB.

But then I had the idea that maybe WU will analyze it for me  #-o , with the 'custom date range' option. Be right back...

Yes! Formatting off (below), but y'all can compare to your own.

Not that these very limited datapoints mean that much globally. But, yes, even here, last year was a warm one. And oddly, we had relatively few 100+F days, just a steady diet of higher than 'normal' ave's, means, mins, etc.
From nearby WFO KBRO, the link was on their FP, my closer WFO's, KEWX & KCRP, had the same but the links aren't on the FP anymore.
http://www.weather.gov/bro/2016event_annualsummary (http://www.weather.gov/bro/2016event_annualsummary)
Read it. Real, factual WX data from educated pro's, not shills.
Compiled the same way y'all get your steady data from your own WX stations. Just one year? Well, we've had an anomalous series of those years recently.

Like poker, etc., I'll go with the odds (I never gamble). Like Jáchym has stated, it's "insurance". And for those (many) unfamiliar with how insurance actually works, look it up on Wikipedia.
By it's very nature some will pay more than they get back, while others get more. It's a risk pool, with a cut for the admin; that's the reality. But overall everybody's covered and protected from possible personal devastation. And BTW, some form of universal risk pool is the only way to cover all our citizens.
Just like our social insurances, SS, Medicare, etc. We all paid the 'premiums (I usually maxxed out by J/Aug), now get (like most of y'all) a payout (mine is max). Will I croak before I get a full return of 'premium', who' knows or cares (except those actuaries IC). I have three other income streams to cover my butt, but so many don't.

I hope I haven't made too many typo's, my eyeballs are shot with all today's 'excessive' sun and WIND, yeow...peak gust ~40mph, and I'm pretty sure my anemometer always under-registers (sorry, I should adjust the HW parameters, if I had a calib reference).

 WU KTXFLORE9, 2016 data summary:
Jan/Feb:
Summary
January 1, 2016 - February 29, 2016
High
Low
Average
Temperature 81.7 °F 32.8 °F 57 °F
Dew Point 67.2 °F 21.5 °F 43.9 °F
Humidity 96% 22% 64.9%
Precipitation 5.66 in -- --
High
Low
Average
Wind Speed 19 mph -- 2.3 mph
Wind Gust 24 mph -- --
Wind Direction -- -- SSE
Pressure 30.48 in 29.46 in --

Jan 2016:
Summary
January 1, 2016 - January 31, 2016
High
Low
Average
Temperature 79.4 °F 32.8 °F 53.4 °F
Dew Point 62.1 °F 24.8 °F 42.6 °F
Humidity 96% 30% 69%
Precipitation 2.27 in -- --
High
Low
Average
Wind Speed 17 mph -- 1.9 mph
Wind Gust 23 mph -- --
Wind Direction -- -- South
Pressure 30.45 in 29.62 in --

Feb 2016:
Summary
February 1, 2016 - February 29, 2016
High
Low
Average
Temperature 81.7 °F 34 °F 60.8 °F
Dew Point 67.2 °F 21.5 °F 45.3 °F
Humidity 96% 22% 60.6%
Precipitation 3.39 in -- --
High
Low
Average
Wind Speed 19 mph -- 2.7 mph
Wind Gust 24 mph -- --
Wind Direction -- -- SSE
Pressure 30.48 in 29.46 in --

Hell, I'd never used WU's statistical range option like this before (I use it for a 4-5 day running tab I keep on my WX browser window). Wow, that temp graph is amazingly 'flat'..
Let's do the whole effen year:
A 72 °F yearly average temperature, not too shabby, eh? And I consider this as 'cold country', since moving up here from 275 miles south two decades ago, from on the MX border.   :shock:

2016 summary:
Summary
January 1, 2016 - December 31, 2016
 High
Low
Average
Temperature 101.5 °F 28.8 °F 72 °F
Dew Point 81 °F °F 35.1 °F
Humidity 97% % 44.4%
Precipitation 26.7 in -- --
High
Low
Average
Wind Speed 29 mph -- 2.1 mph
Wind Gust 38 mph -- --
Wind Direction -- -- SE
Pressure 30.63 in 29.46 in --

Title: Re: Winter '16-'17
Post by: danner on January 22, 2017, 09:51:14 PM

I think I'll go with the 98% of educated, advanced degree'd, credentialed, peer-reviewed, meteorologists and climate scientists
Please provide a detailed list of this 98%. If you can quote a number then you should be able to provide a detailed list of these people. I wont hold my breath waiting.

 
Quote
Rather than paying any serious attention to those who get their alleged 'factual knowledge' from compromised, financially beholden propaganda sources such as Fux Nooz and Rush Limpballs.
How do you know where I get my information from? You don't. You assumed and you assumed wrong. I've been watching this political movement since before there was any such thing as Fox News or Rush Limbaugh.

I can't stand Rush and Fox News drives me nuts because they aren't consistent and none of their "experts" seem to know about the US Constitution. So much for your assumptions.

Your "proof" of global warming amounts to blurry and out of focus pictures of bigfoot.
Title: Re: Winter '16-'17
Post by: WheatonRon on January 22, 2017, 10:09:01 PM

I think I'll go with the 98% of educated, advanced degree'd, credentialed, peer-reviewed, meteorologists and climate scientists (like Jáchym I guess), who have access to, and study the huge volume of WX ingest data from the myriad satellite and station data, geologic and ocean current, and historical data (going back millions of years).
Rather than paying any serious attention to those who get their alleged 'factual knowledge' from compromised, financially beholden propaganda sources such as Fux Nooz and Rush Limpballs.

.. useless content omitted

I hope I haven't made too many typo's, my eyeballs are shot with all today's 'excessive' sun and WIND, yeow...peak gust ~40mph, and I'm pretty sure my anemometer always under-registers (sorry, I should adjust the HW parameters, if I had a calib reference).

... Meaningless data omitted.

Your comments are a bunch of hooey. The data you posted was a waste of Forum space. Great job of adding worse than no value, but negative value. Congratulations!
Title: Re: Winter '16-'17
Post by: Jstx on January 22, 2017, 10:28:09 PM

I think I'll go with the 98% of educated, advanced degree'd, credentialed, peer-reviewed, meteorologists and climate scientists
Please provide a detailed list of this 98%. If you can quote a number then you should be able to provide a detailed list of these people. I wont hold my breath waiting.

 
Quote
Rather than paying any serious attention to those who get their alleged 'factual knowledge' from compromised, financially beholden propaganda sources such as Fux Nooz and Rush Limpballs.
How do you know where I get my information from? You don't. You assumed and you assumed wrong. I've been watching this political movement since before there was any such thing as Fox News or Rush Limbaugh.

I can't stand Rush and Fox News drives me nuts because they aren't consistent and none of their "experts" seem to know about the US Constitution. So much for your assumptions.

Your "proof" of global warming amounts to blurry and out of focus pictures of bigfoot.

Reckon you could start here, link after link of "97% Consensus" (so I was off 1%, sue me... :-)).:
http://www.bing.com/search?q=climate+scientist+consensus&form=OPRTSD&pc=OPER (http://www.bing.com/search?q=climate+scientist+consensus&form=OPRTSD&pc=OPER)

As far as 'doxxing out' thousands of learned science professionals online, I wouldn't, nor couldn't. Look 'em up in the actual scientific literature if you just have to know every name.
It's beyond my IP capability (rural, limited). I'll just, somewhat skeptically as always, trust those 97% of manifestly qualified WX professionals, versus some wholly unqualified dropout batchit talkingheads.

I certainly am not a professional in the field of climate or meteorology, but there are some solid links at that Bing search one above.

I'm always partial towards Wikipedia, as a layperson without convenient access to the scientific pubs and journals which are rigorously peer-reviewed.
Just like Wikipedia is. Trust me, as a minor Wiki editor, I've been/got my knuckles rapped by making an error in a contribution, or even not. Wiki uses 'bots' for punctuation, formatting errors, etc; then the human peers usually look at almost everything very critically indeed. Errors and deliberate sabotage don't stay around long there.
Title: Re: Winter '16-'17
Post by: ValentineWeather on January 22, 2017, 10:30:35 PM
This is getting off topic but many here are old enough to remember the dire warnings of the upcoming ICE AGE back in the early 70's. I found this to refresh our memories.

https://stevengoddard.wordpress.com/1970s-ice-age-scare/
Title: Re: Winter '16-'17
Post by: danner on January 22, 2017, 10:31:29 PM
I'll just, somewhat skeptically as always, trust those 97%
LOL!!! That says it all right there. Thanks. I don't need to say anything more. :-)
Title: Re: Winter '16-'17
Post by: Jstx on January 22, 2017, 11:05:11 PM
I'll just, somewhat skeptically as always, trust those 97%
LOL!!! That says it all right there. Thanks. I don't need to say anything more. :-)

Thereby revealing (w/ an incomplete quote) your complete lack of knowledge of rational, logical "scientific method" and "critical thought" (and those bugaboo "theories", which word most laypeople don't comprehend).  As opposed to just blindly believing the complete bought-and-paid-for bullchit oozing from tv, radio, and online bloviating 'experts. Putting it politely of course.

Which science has advanced us all to the truly amazing level of technology we now enjoy (I was a kid in the '50's, what a different world form today, so much less complex).
But we're going back to the 'faith-based' Dark Ages, enjoy it while you can.
Title: Re: Winter '16-'17
Post by: danner on January 22, 2017, 11:08:28 PM
But we're going back to the 'faith-based' Dark Ages, enjoy it while you can.
Faith based indeed. And apparently irony challenged too. LOL /done
Title: Re: Winter '16-'17
Post by: Scalphunter on January 22, 2017, 11:11:49 PM
Quote
many here are old enough to remember the dire warnings of the upcoming ICE AGE back in the early 70's

They were saying that back in the 50's when I was just an youngin, then it resurface back in the 70's.  Popular Science had  big article  on the coming ice age back then.

John
Title: Re: Winter '16-'17
Post by: Jstx on January 22, 2017, 11:47:46 PM
This is getting off topic but many here are old enough to remember the dire warnings of the upcoming ICE AGE back in the early 70's. I found this to refresh our memories.

https://stevengoddard.wordpress.com/1970s-ice-age-scare/

Here you go:

http://www.bing.com/search?q=1970%27s+ice+age+myth&form=OPRTSD&pc=OPER (http://www.bing.com/search?q=1970%27s+ice+age+myth&form=OPRTSD&pc=OPER)

Y'all always like to dredge up that hoary old " '70's Ice Age" canard.
It was, and is, a media-hyped and distorted MYTHICAL construct. Bullchit, IOW.
Not a serious scientific consensus of that time, nor today (like the debunked recent "1991 climate temp drop/plateau" or whatever).

Yeesh dudes, do some simple Bing or, urk, Google searches and get back to facts and reality. Yall spend too much time in the, errr, ozone   #-o.
Title: Re: Winter '16-'17
Post by: ValentineWeather on January 23, 2017, 06:30:22 AM
Just as the last snow melted with couple 50's last week, looking at potential big snow Tuesday-Wed.
This January is still running -4°F  below norms both airport and my station.
 
Ground sensors showing freeze line near 30".... Sensor #4 is 36"
Title: Re: Winter '16-'17
Post by: WeatherHost on January 23, 2017, 06:41:17 AM
There's really been a split across the country this month.  Our WFO is showing 8.5 above normal so far.  We've had more days above 60 than below freezing.  One cold spell in December and one in January, neither more then a few days.  Our overnight lows have been above our normal daily highs.  Normal high for today 1/23 is 43 and we're at that now for a low.

We've only been below freezing 6 days this month.

I count 16 days below freezing in December, but most of those were overnight lows with the daily highs jumping into the 40s, 50s or higher.

I didn't think I'd have enough wood for heat this winter and now it looks like I'll have quite a bit left over.  Furnace hasn't run for days at a time.


I can only hope this doesn't continue into Summer.



Title: Re: Winter '16-'17
Post by: ValentineWeather on January 23, 2017, 06:48:23 AM
There's really been a split across the country this month.  Our WFO is showing 8.5 above normal so far.  We've had more days above 60 than below freezing.  One cold spell in December and one in January, neither more then a few days.  Our overnight lows have been above our normal daily highs.  Normal high for today 1/23 is 43 and we're at that now for a low.

We've only been below freezing 6 days this month.

I count 16 days below freezing in December, but most of those were overnight lows with the daily highs jumping into the 40s, 50s or higher.

I didn't think I'd have enough wood for heat this winter and now it looks like I'll have quite a bit left over.  Furnace hasn't run for days at a time.


I can only hope this doesn't continue into Summer.

In contrast 68 days below freezing in a row. 78 total with 16 below zero days this winter. We average 20 negative days so on schedule. 

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Title: Re: Winter '16-'17
Post by: gwwilk on January 23, 2017, 07:23:06 AM
I'm not able to discern a trend here, given the history I see:

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Title: Re: Winter '16-'17
Post by: WeatherHost on January 23, 2017, 07:23:42 AM
That's the part I find odd.  The areas that have been cold have been REALLY cold.  Other areas have been mild or warm.  There hasn't been much mixing of the two.

Title: Re: Winter '16-'17
Post by: ValentineWeather on January 23, 2017, 08:46:21 AM
Valentine Nebraska's mean yearly temperature going back to 1890.
Middle of country not influenced by steel, concrete and other urban growth. Looks like we are nearing meltdown soon. LMAO at the ridiculous hysteria being pushed by these so called experts for the all mighty dollar. Just follow the money.

(http://[attachment id=1 msg=312423][/attachment])

More evidence our weather is ever changing. Going back to 2500 BC and you can see the period where Vikings settled Greenland and sailed into open waters of the arctic.
Title: Re: Winter '16-'17
Post by: Jstx on January 23, 2017, 09:07:43 AM
For y'all who like to drag out the (debunked) myth that those 'terrible' 97% of actual climatologists and meteorologists were pushing "global cooling/new ice age" before coming up with "global warming/climate change", here's an actual, peer-reviewed paper refuting that old (denier) myth.
I trust that the American Meteorological Society is a creditable source.

ThE MYTH OF ThE 1970s
GLOBAL COOLlNG SCIENTIFIC
CONSENSUS
From the American Meteorological Society, a pdf document:
http://journals.ametsoc.org/doi/pdf/10.1175/2008BAMS2370.1 (http://journals.ametsoc.org/doi/pdf/10.1175/2008BAMS2370.1)

In final form 8 February 2008
©2008 American Meteorological Society

(bolding mine)
"There was no scientific consensus in the 1970s that the Earth was headed into an 
imminent ice age. Indeed, the possibility of anthropogenic warming dominated 
the peer-reviewed literature even then." ...
"Despite active efforts to answer these questions,
the following pervasive myth arose: there was a
consensus among climate scientists of the 1970s that
either global cooling or a full-fledged ice age was
imminent (see the “Perpetuating the myth” sidebar).
A review of the climate science literature from 1965
to 1979 shows this myth to be false.
The myth’s basis
lies in a selective misreading of the texts both by
some members of the media at the time and by some
observers today. In fact, emphasis on greenhouse
warming dominated the scientific literature even
then.
The research enterprise that grew in response
to the questions articulated by Bryson and others,
while considering the forces responsible for cooling,
quickly converged on the view that greenhouse
warming was likely to dominate on time scales that
would be significant to human societies (Charney
et al. 1979)."
Title: Re: Winter '16-'17
Post by: Jáchym on January 23, 2017, 09:12:55 AM
Valentine Nebraska's mean yearly temperature going back to 1890.
Middle of country not influenced by steel, concrete and other urban growth. Looks like we are nearing meltdown soon. LMAO at the ridiculous hysteria being pushed by these so called experts for the all mighty dollar. Just follow the money.

(http://[attachment id=1 msg=312423][/attachment])

Ie. you are suggesting Valentine in Nebraska is a reference location, data from which can be interpolated to the entire world
Title: Re: Winter '16-'17
Post by: Jstx on January 23, 2017, 09:14:32 AM
That's the part I find odd.  The areas that have been cold have been REALLY cold.  Other areas have been mild or warm.  There hasn't been much mixing of the two.

Look up the displacement of the "Arctic Polar Vortex" onto the Northern Hemisphere landmasses (mid Canada & US, Siberia). The developing 'theory' explains why that intense cold pool, normally over the Pole ATT, has been moved southward.
Title: Re: Winter '16-'17
Post by: ValentineWeather on January 23, 2017, 09:59:52 AM
My Alaskan daughter from Anchorage sent these today. They only got about 20" last winter.
Title: Re: Winter '16-'17
Post by: zackdog on January 23, 2017, 10:06:32 AM
Please people, this thread was not started to become a Global Warming  Climate Change debate.  Please stay on topic.

Mark
Title: Re: Winter '16-'17
Post by: ValentineWeather on January 23, 2017, 10:14:59 AM
Please people, this thread was not started to become a Global Warming  Climate Change debate.  Please stay on topic.

Mark

Agree 100% there is already a different thread for the hysteria.
Title: Re: Winter '16-'17
Post by: PaulMy on January 23, 2017, 10:46:59 AM
We did have an old fashioned cold, snowy early winter with snow starting in November.

We are now getting somewhat more than a January thaw. 
We have had 6 consecutive days without frost - nothing below 0.0°C
and from Environment Canada forecast looks like we might get 3 more days.

Environment Canada 30 year normal for January is Max -1.9°C and Min -10.1°C
My station average for 9 years January is Max -0.8°C and Min -9.5°C

In my station's 9 years I've recorded 2 times with 2 consecutive days without frost in January and 1 with 3 days, the rest were either 1 or none, and then this January with 6 consecutive days so far.

But these have been very dull days with hardly any sunshine....

Only 12.2 mm (1/2 inch) of snow this month, all in early January.

Paul
Title: Re: Winter '16-'17
Post by: Jáchym on January 23, 2017, 11:06:30 AM
We are quite the opposite this year - practically no no-frost period since January 1st
Title: Re: Winter '16-'17
Post by: WeatherHost on January 23, 2017, 12:16:42 PM
But these have been very dull days with hardly any sunshine....

One of my problems lately is Sun.  It's either overcast with no Sun at all, or clear with blinding Sun.  As low as the Sun is at this time of year, I find it hard to do things as it seems it's always at eye level for some reason.

So far, we've had no measurable snow to speak of, maybe an inch or so one morning.  More like heavy flurries than snow.  Lots of ground frost though that looked like snow.

Title: Re: Winter '16-'17
Post by: Jstx on January 23, 2017, 01:00:52 PM
Ahhh, wintertime and the livin' is easy...just another day in paradise (well, it ain't Hawai'i, but it'll do  8-) ):

Fair
71°F
22°C
Humidity 28%
Wind Speed SW 8 mph
Barometer 30.06 in
Dewpoint 36°F (2°C)
Visibility 10.00 mi
Last update 23 Jan 11:35 am CST 
 
Detailed Forecast

Today Sunny, with a high near 77. Light and variable wind becoming south southwest 5 to 7 mph in the afternoon.

Tonight Clear, with a low around 54. South wind 7 to 10 mph.

Tuesday Sunny, with a high near 83. South wind 10 to 17 mph, with gusts as high as 22 mph.

Tuesday Night Partly cloudy, with a low around 55. Southeast wind 8 to 10 mph becoming north after midnight.

Wednesday Sunny, with a high near 74. North wind 8 to 15 mph, with gusts as high as 18 mph.

Wednesday Night Mostly clear, with a low around 43. North northeast wind 6 to 8 mph.

Thursday Sunny, with a high near 65. Northeast wind 7 to 9 mph.

Thursday Night Partly cloudy, with a low around 44. East wind around 7 mph.

Friday Mostly sunny, with a high near 68. East wind 7 to 10 mph.

Friday Night Mostly cloudy, with a low around 48.

Saturday A 20 percent chance of showers. Partly sunny, with a high near 63.

Saturday Night Mostly cloudy, with a low around 43.

Sunday Partly sunny, with a high near 65.
Title: Re: Winter '16-'17
Post by: Scalphunter on January 23, 2017, 02:32:08 PM
Special Weather Statement
Special Weather Statement
National Weather Service Fairbanks AK
427 AM AKST Mon Jan 23 2017

AKZ218>226-240300-
Southeastern Brooks Range-Upper Koyukuk Valley-
Yukon Flats and Surrounding Uplands-Central Interior-
Middle Tanana Valley-Deltana and Tanana Flats-
Upper Tanana Valley and the Fortymile Country-Denali-
Eastern Alaska Range-
Including Arctic Village, Wiseman, Coldfoot, Chandalar DOT Camp,
Iniakuk Lake, Allakaket, Hughes, Bettles, Caribou Mountain,
Gobblers Knob, Fort Yukon, Venetie, Central, Circle,
Stevens Village, Beaver, Chalkyitsik, Birch Creek,
Circle Hot Springs, Eagle Summit, Twelvemile Summit, Nenana,
Anderson, Tanana, Minto, Manley Hot Springs, Rampart,
Lake Minchumina, Livengood, Fairbanks, Fort Wainwright,
Eielson AFB, Ester, North Pole, Moose Creek, Two Rivers, Fox,
Chatanika, Chena Hot Springs, Sourdough Camp, Salcha,
Delta Junction, Fort Greely, Harding/Birch Lake, Dry Creek,
Dot Lake, Healy Lake, Tok, Tanacross, Eagle, Tetlin, Northway,
Alcan, Chicken, Boundary, Healy, Denali National Park,
Carlo Creek, Kantishna, Mentasta Lake, Black Rapids,
Donnelly Dome, Trims DOT Camp, Eagle Trail, and Mineral Lake
427 AM AKST Mon Jan 23 2017

...WARMER TEMPERATURES THIS WEEK...

A weather system near Dutch Harbor will send much warmer air into
the interior for the remainder of the week.

Temperatures across the interior will be on the rise today as warm
air starts to filter into the interior and the cold arctic air
retreats north. South winds will produce weak chinook flow over
the Alaska Range today and it will strengthen tonight.

Temperatures in the interior will climb above the zero mark in
many areas south of the Yukon River Tuesday and will spread north
to the south slopes of the Brooks Range Wednesday.

For the Fairbanks area, temperatures will be around 70 degrees
warmer than our low of 51 below last Wednesday. For the Delta
Junction area highs may push 30 above.

This rapid warming may produce frost on the frozen roads starting
Tuesday so caution should be used when traveling around the area,
especially on less traveled roads.

For the latest weather forecasts go to www.weather.gov/fairbanks

$$


Now the demolition Derby starts as the roads ice up. So much cold been absorbed in the road ways  that the roads make continuous ice just like an ice maker does. The warmer temps be nice after an week  at -40 for lows at night.


John
Title: Re: Winter '16-'17
Post by: Scalphunter on January 23, 2017, 02:41:57 PM
Wife said we are going to have to get out our summer clothes  to wear after this Chinook comes thru after being as cold as it been.

John
Title: Re: Winter '16-'17
Post by: ValentineWeather on January 23, 2017, 04:35:59 PM
NAM 12z run is going nuts with snowfall forecast [ You are not allowed to view attachments ]  across Ne./SD border (http://)
Title: Re: Winter '16-'17
Post by: gwwilk on January 23, 2017, 04:47:18 PM
Here (page may load slowly) (http://www.weather.gov/abr/winter) is the NWS's Experimental Page for Aberdeen which includes Valentine along the southern border of the map.  They definitely acknowledge the uncertainty of forecasting with this page.  I've created a Saratoga page (http://www.gwwilkins.org/wxnwswinter.php) that displays the 'Least', 'Most Likely', and 'Potential' maps for all of the WFO's involved in the experiment.  There's a link to the respective WFO's 'Winter Page' at the bottom.
Title: Re: Winter '16-'17
Post by: ValentineWeather on January 23, 2017, 04:56:11 PM
Here (page may load slowly) (http://www.weather.gov/abr/winter) is the NWS's Experimental Page for Aberdeen which includes Valentine along the southern border of the map.  They definitely acknowledge the uncertainty of forecasting with this page.  I've created a Saratoga page (http://www.gwwilkins.org/wxnwswinter.php) that displays the 'Least', 'Most Likely', and 'Potential' maps for all of the WFO's involved in the experiment.  There's a link to the respective WFO's 'Winter Page' at the bottom.

No kidding about slow loading.
Love what they did here. 78% chance of 6-8" sounds good.
NAM has us around 16" which would be awesome but unlikely.

Thanks Jerry I'll bookmark this page for sure.
Title: Re: Winter '16-'17
Post by: gwwilk on January 23, 2017, 05:01:04 PM
My Saratoga page with just the three maps loads much more rapidly.  You can get it with http://www.gwwilkins.org/wxnwswinter.php?sce=view for the main script and http://www.gwwilkins.org/inc-nwswinter.php?sce=view for the includes script.  Hunt for the appropriate WFO abbreviation to use as the default in the includes file if you don't know it right offhand.

Edit: OOPS!!! I forgot that there's a link to my 'Stand Alone Version (http://www.gwwilkins.org/wxnwswinter-SA.php?sce=view)' on the page.  It uses the same 'includes' file.  I also just updated the Version to the correct date on the files.
Title: Re: Winter '16-'17
Post by: ValentineWeather on January 23, 2017, 05:36:13 PM
Nice Jerry thanks. It keeps defaulting to oax even though I changed to abr. Any ideas?
Code: [Select]
<div id="showPrediction">
<?php 
/**************************** Version 20170120 ***************************/
/* The following code sets defaults for testing only.
    If these defaults adversely affect your predictionion code, comment out
 this section by removing the slash behind this asterisk ->*/ 
if (!isset($wfo)&&!isset($prediction)) { 
$wfo='abr';
$divWidth '656';         // They are used for testing only
$prediction "StormTotalSnowWeb1";
  
$leftMargin 50// Left margin to display text
  
$mapPath './images/';
$_SESSION['CSSwidescreen'] = false;
$standAlone true;
Title: Re: Winter '16-'17
Post by: Jáchym on January 23, 2017, 05:48:08 PM
Is there some kind of caching going on? Just that this sometimes happens in my template too - people change settings, but the script is still using the original until the cache expires and data is reloaded.
I dont know this script in particular, but it could be it.
Title: Re: Winter '16-'17
Post by: WheatonRon on January 23, 2017, 05:54:12 PM

No kidding about slow loading.
Love what they did here. 78% chance of 6-8" sounds good.
NAM has us around 16" which would be awesome but unlikely.

Wow! Did not know weather can be that precisely forecasted! 78%, not 78.2 or 77.7%? Sounds goofy but maybe that is what the computer spits out! A percentage rounded to the nearest 5% would give this forecast more credibility!
Title: Re: Winter '16-'17
Post by: Jáchym on January 23, 2017, 05:55:40 PM
Omaha, can you post the entire script please
Title: Re: Winter '16-'17
Post by: Jáchym on January 23, 2017, 05:57:47 PM
One thing I see:
Code: [Select]
if (!isset($wfo)&
This tells the script: set wfo to abr if it has not been set before - so you need to make sure nowhere before this wfo was set, I need to see the entire script
Title: Re: Winter '16-'17
Post by: Jáchym on January 23, 2017, 06:07:54 PM
Hi,
sorry, Im probably blind, I dont see any attachments in post 520
Title: Re: Winter '16-'17
Post by: Scalphunter on January 23, 2017, 06:13:32 PM
in pass 3 hours we have warmed up 24 degrees. last time we were above freezing  mark was Dec 31 when we got up to 35 degrees.

John
Title: Re: Winter '16-'17
Post by: Jáchym on January 23, 2017, 06:14:39 PM
in the first script, when I did search for "wfo" I found this:


// Enter Default Station
$wfo = "OAX";

so the second script ignores your setting because it "is set", you need to change it here
Title: Re: Winter '16-'17
Post by: Jáchym on January 23, 2017, 06:23:56 PM
welcome
Title: Re: Winter '16-'17
Post by: gwwilk on January 23, 2017, 06:46:51 PM
Thanks, Jachym, for picking up on this.  I was goofing off and then warming up on my tuba before a community concert band rehearsal this evening.  Sorry for the confusion. :oops:
Title: Re: Winter '16-'17
Post by: Jáchym on January 23, 2017, 06:49:25 PM
Absolutely no problem guys :-) Its always nice when you can help someone (I was actually on Skype with one other guy explaining him how plugins work in Meteotemplate, but because it did not require much concentration I could answer questions here as well :D Multitasking :D
Title: Re: Winter '16-'17
Post by: Scalphunter on January 24, 2017, 02:00:46 AM
Went from -39 to -9 in 3.5 hours. So first of the Chinook  effects have arrived just  before we cooled down at sunset. The wind here even tho it been light  has raised the temperature to -2. F

John
Title: Re: Winter '16-'17
Post by: WeatherHost on January 24, 2017, 08:34:00 AM
Temps are forecast to be  ....  normal for the next few days  40-45/25-30

First time all month.
Title: Re: Winter '16-'17
Post by: gwwilk on January 24, 2017, 08:58:39 AM
Experiencing "normal" weather is a rare phenomenon simply because it's an aggregate of the extremes which we much more commonly see.  Witness then precipitation 'norms' for the US West Coast, for instance.  They get a 10-year deluge and this then contributes greatly to the 'average' annual rainfall which most other years (9 out of 10 by definition) will be considerably less.

Statistics are handy for keeping track of these things, but the resultant numbers shouldn't be regarded as the common, expected, 'normal' experience.  This fallacy leads to apocalyptic thinking.  Witness the gyrations of the 'climate scientists' who use recent (the past several years) weather to bolster their apocalyptic claims.  Climate science needs to better accommodate these normal fluctuations to extremes by viewing at least 30 but preferably 100 years of weather to make pronouncements about our climate.  Otherwise they're merely complaining about the weather just like any old farmer at the General Store on a Saturday.
Title: Re: Winter '16-'17
Post by: Jáchym on January 24, 2017, 09:00:41 AM
Exactly, the current winter has been well below the average and people are surprised... but last 4 or 5 were well above average so obviously there has to be below average winters too to reach the "average" :-)

Jan 17 has so far been by far the coldest month since I began measuring regularly in Jan 2012
Title: Re: Winter '16-'17
Post by: ValentineWeather on January 24, 2017, 09:02:39 AM
Well said Jerry.  =D&gt;
Title: Re: Winter '16-'17
Post by: tbrasel on January 24, 2017, 09:35:07 AM
I concur, well articulated Jerry  =D&gt;
Title: Re: Winter '16-'17
Post by: Jáchym on January 24, 2017, 10:04:32 AM
Im glad you pointed it out Jerry, just a few tweets of Donald Trump:

Quote
It's really cold outside, they are calling it a major freeze, weeks ahead of normal. Man, we could use a big fat dose of global warming!

Quote
It’s snowing & freezing in NYC. What the hell ever happened to global warming?

Quote
Ice storm rolls from Texas to Tennessee - I'm in Los Angeles and it's freezing. Global warming is a total, and very expensive, hoax!

Title: Re: Winter '16-'17
Post by: PaulMy on January 24, 2017, 10:12:18 AM
Quote
Otherwise they're merely complaining about the weather just like any old farmer at the General Store on a Saturday.
Ahhh, the good old farmer, and great memories of an old fashioned winter.....

Paul
Title: Re: Winter '16-'17
Post by: Scalphunter on January 24, 2017, 02:09:44 PM
Having an heat vortex here. First time above the zero mark in 23 days.

John
Title: Re: Winter '16-'17
Post by: Jstx on January 24, 2017, 09:37:00 PM
Just another absolutely perfect day in paradise (most of STX).
Ahhh, summertime...oh wait...it's the middle of winter!
Sorry about y'all above ~35°N. We do get a lot of snowbirds (urk, the world's second worse drivers).

Mine, hardly a cloud all day, dry (not a usual condition 8-)).
Weather Conditions for E7881:

Graphical Links
20:21
Max Since 0:00 (CST)
Min Since 0:00 (CST)
24 Hour Maximum
24 Hour Minimum
Temperature  71.0° F  84.0 at 16:53  55.0 at 2:14  84.0 at 16:53  55.0 at 2:14
Dew Point  61.1° F  63.7 at 19:19  37.6 at 3:11  63.7 at 19:19  34.3 at 20:45

18:01 81.0 57.6 65.7 45 2.0 3.0 SE 29.15 29.63 0.00 0.00 OK
17:56 81.0 57.0 65.4 44 2.0 3.0 ESE 29.14 29.62 0.00 0.00 OK
17:51 81.0 57.0 65.4 44 3.0 3.0 ESE 29.14 29.62 0.00 0.00 OK
17:46 82.0 57.9 66.2 44 2.0 3.0 ESE 29.14 29.62 0.00 0.00 OK
17:40 82.0 57.9 66.2 44 2.0 3.0 ESE 29.14 29.62 0.00 0.00 OK
17:35 82.0 57.3 65.9 43 2.0 3.0 SE 29.14 29.62 0.00 0.00 OK
17:30 82.0 57.3 65.9 43 2.0 3.0 SE 29.14 29.62 0.00 0.00 OK
17:25 83.0 58.2 66.6 43 2.0 3.0 SE 29.14 29.62 0.00 0.00 OK
17:20 83.0 58.2 66.6 43 3.0 4.0 SE 29.14 29.62 0.00 0.00 OK
17:14 83.0 57.5 66.3 42 2.0 4.0 ESE 29.14 29.62 0.00 0.00 OK
17:09 83.0 57.5 66.3 42 3.0 5.0 SE 29.14 29.62 0.00 0.00 OK
17:04 83.0 57.5 66.3 42 4.0 6.0 SE 29.14 29.62 0.00 0.00 OK
16:59 83.0 57.5 66.3 42 6.0 6.0 SE 29.14 29.62 0.00 0.00 OK
16:53 84.0 57.7 66.7 41 4.0 4.0 SE 29.14 29.62 0.00 0.00 OK
16:48 84.0 57.7 66.7 41 3.0 5.0 SE 29.14 29.62 0.00 0.00 OK
16:43 84.0 57.7 66.7 41 2.0 5.0 SE 29.16 29.64 0.00 0.00 OK
16:37 84.0 57.7 66.7 41 2.0 4.0 SE 29.16 29.64 0.00 0.00 OK
16:32 84.0 57.7 66.7 41 1.0 5.0 ESE 29.16 29.64 0.00 0.00 OK
16:27 83.0 56.8 66.0 41 3.0 5.0 SE 29.16 29.64 0.00 0.00 OK
16:22 83.0 56.8 66.0 41 3.0 5.0 SE 29.16 29.64 0.00 0.00 OK
16:17 83.0 56.8 66.0 41 4.0 5.0 SE 29.16 29.64 0.00 0.00 OK
16:12 83.0 56.8 66.0 41 4.0 5.0 SE 29.16 29.64 0.00 0.00 OK
16:07 83.0 56.8 66.0 41 4.0 4.0 SE 29.16 29.64 0.00 0.00 OK

DATA THROUGH 6PM CST
HIGHEST LAST 18 HOURS. LOWEST LAST 18 HOURS...12AM TO 6PM CST
PRECIP LAST 24 HOURS...ENDING AT 6 PM CST
.BR LUB 0124 C DH18/TAIRZS/TAIRZI/PPDRZZ
:
:ID   LOCATION                 HIGH  LOW    PCPN
:                                           24HR
:...SOUTH TEXAS...
ALI  :Alice                 :   93 / 45 /     0
ATT  :Austin Mabry          :   84 / 50 /     0
AUS  :Austin Bergstrom      :   85 / 40 /     0
BPT  :Beaumont              :   78 / 48 /     0
BRO  :Brownsville           :   84 / 60 /     T
BMQ  :Burnet                :   83 / 52 /     0
CLL  :College Station       :   80 / 50 /     0
CXO  :Conroe                :   81 / 40 /     0
CRP  :Corpus Christi        :   85 / 57 /     0
NGP  :Navy Corpus           :   77 / 62 /     0
COT  :Cotulla               :   93 / 52 /     0
DRT  :Del Rio               :   84 / 52 /     0
GLS  :Galveston             :   75 / 60 /     0
HRL  :Harlingen             :   86 / 59 /     0
HDO  :Hondo                 :   85 / 42 /     0
HOU  :Houston Hobby         :   79 / 53 /     0
IAH  :Houston Bush          :   80 / 48 /     0
UTS  :Huntsville            :   80 / 52 /     0
JCT  :Junction ASOS         :   89 / 47 /     0
NQI  :Kingsville            :   93 / 57 /     0
LRD  :Laredo                :   94 / 58 /     0
MFE  :McAllen               :   91 / 62 /     0
BAZ  :New Braunfels         :   85 / 43 /     0
PSX  :Palacios              :   76 / 58 /     0
LVJ  :Pearland              :   79 / 55 /     0
RKP  :Rockport              :   77 / 62 /     0
SAT  :San Antonio           :   82 / 44 /     0
SSF  :San Antonio Stinson   :   86 / 44 /     0
DWH  :Tomball               :   81 / 48 /     0
VCT  :Victoria              :   82 / 51 /     0
TEXAS TEMPERATURE EXTREMES:
Highest...94 at Laredo
Lowest....30 at Marfa
Title: Re: Winter '16-'17
Post by: ValentineWeather on January 25, 2017, 10:56:14 AM
Got to fire the snowblower up today.  :-)
Title: Re: Winter '16-'17
Post by: zackdog on January 25, 2017, 11:54:12 AM
Got to fire the snowblower up today.  :-)

Appears that you had a little wind to go with the snow. :grin:

Mark
Title: Re: Winter '16-'17
Post by: ValentineWeather on January 25, 2017, 12:10:22 PM
Got to fire the snowblower up today.  :-)

Appears that you had a little wind to go with the snow. :grin:

Mark

42 mph to be exact. Snow was 18" deep at house front door. Thought I wasn't going to get it open.. :eek:
Title: Re: Winter '16-'17
Post by: Jáchym on January 25, 2017, 12:14:25 PM
Good that we dont have that much snow here - it can happen here too, but it is very rare and no-one here has such device, so I would have to do with a shovel :D
Title: Re: Winter '16-'17
Post by: Scalphunter on January 26, 2017, 01:14:36 PM
68 degree difference this week from last week where we  were at  -48. Snow eater in progress

John
Title: Re: Winter '16-'17
Post by: ValentineWeather on January 27, 2017, 09:36:31 AM
8-14 day outlook.
Been watching models the really cold stuff is going to build into western Canada and eventually spill into the States next week.  Just like it did in December when it was -31 here :grin:

Title: Re: Winter '16-'17
Post by: Jáchym on January 27, 2017, 04:42:43 PM
Even though winter 2017 is by no means over yet, I can already tell that it is exceptional in terms of the temps Ive measured on my station (since 2012) :D
Title: Re: Winter '16-'17
Post by: Jáchym on January 30, 2017, 03:15:12 PM
We have an inversion here so it is much colder in the lowlands compared to the mountains.
One other interesting thing is that the temperature range is extremely low, it was overcast for the past few days and the daily temperature range was only 1 degree.

I have to say I just love this - just came from work, I walked in a T-shirt and really enjoyed it. The temps over the last two days are constantly between -8 and -10 deg C (17 to 14 F) with a fresh wind
Title: Re: Winter '16-'17
Post by: mikeym2m on January 31, 2017, 12:01:47 AM
Jerry

Another great script ie the wxnwswinter script. Any chance of adding the "Ice Potential Forecast" to the menu?

Thanks

Cheers

 :grin:

MikeyM
Title: Re: Winter '16-'17
Post by: Breezy on January 31, 2017, 08:13:52 AM
Great script Jerry  \:D/ I concur with mikeym2m.
Quote
Any chance of adding the "Ice Potential Forecast" to the menu?
.

Jeff
Title: Re: Winter '16-'17
Post by: gwwilk on January 31, 2017, 08:39:31 AM
Great script Jerry  \:D/ I concur with mikeym2m.
Quote
Any chance of adding the "Ice Potential Forecast" to the menu?
.

Jeff
Are you guys talking about 'Freezing Rain'?  If so, there's already a looped script (http://www.wxforum.net/index.php?topic=27572.msg278346#msg278346) that contains 'Freezing Rain' (http://www.gwwilkins.org/wxpqfpfp-h5loops.php).  Just change the 'Precip. Type' to 'Freezing Rain'.  I can't find an 'Ice Potential Forecast' that's working.
Title: Re: Winter '16-'17
Post by: Breezy on January 31, 2017, 08:52:57 AM
This link http://indiantrailweather.com/wxsnowALYtotal.php located at the bottom of the page will show the ice forecast when the NWS issues an ice forecast. When there is no ice forecast the page displays the default of "no measurable ice expected within the next 72 hours".
Title: Re: Winter '16-'17
Post by: mikeym2m on January 31, 2017, 09:21:38 AM
Hi Jerry

Here's the link for BGM:  http://www.weather.gov/images/bgm/winter/StormTotalIceFcst.png

It's found on the Winter page: http://www.weather.gov/bgm/winter

I checked several other NWS Winter pages and the "Ice" page seems to be there.

Thanks

 :grin:

MikeyM
Title: Re: Winter '16-'17
Post by: gwwilk on January 31, 2017, 09:37:46 AM
Right you are!

This version (http://www.gwwilkins.org/wxnwswinter.php) includes the 'Storm Total Ice Forecast'.  The links are main script (http://www.gwwilkins.org/wxnwswinter.php?sce=view) and the includes script (http://www.gwwilkins.org/inc-nwswinter.php?sce=view).  I haven't checked all of the WFO's to see if the graphic is there, but you guys can do that.  :-)

Oh, and here's the Stand Alone Version (http://www.gwwilkins.org/wxnwswinter-SA.php)  download link (http://www.gwwilkins.org/wxnwswinter-SA.php?sce=view). ('$standAlone = true;' in the main script, is all).
Title: Re: Winter '16-'17
Post by: Breezy on January 31, 2017, 09:42:22 AM
Jerry, looks great. Thank you. Much appreciated !!!  =D&gt;

I've noticed that sometimes the link for the "Full Size Maps" doesn't always connect.



Title: Re: Winter '16-'17
Post by: mikeym2m on January 31, 2017, 05:19:30 PM
Thanks Jerry

Working Great!

Cheers

 :grin:

MikeyM
Title: Re: Winter '16-'17
Post by: chief-david on January 31, 2017, 06:46:21 PM
had a small coating of freezing rain again this morning. Truck slid down the driveway. Saw an accident.

I hate ice.
Title: Re: Winter '16-'17
Post by: zackdog on February 01, 2017, 12:18:24 PM
I consider my winter to be November thru April :lol: So far it is pretty average, except for November.

                My 20-yr ave.           16-'17   
               
Mean Temp.               
November             25.7   °F                30.2   °F
December             16.6   °                18.2   °
January             17.2   °                16.3   °
               
Low <=0° days               
November                2                      1   
December                9                      8   
January                9                      12   
               
High <=32° days               
November                8                      6   
December                18              16   
January                17              21   


Mark
Title: Re: Winter '16-'17
Post by: Scalphunter on February 01, 2017, 03:57:43 PM
From 3 hr and 40 minutes of daylight  to 7 hours  in just over an month. Nice to have little longer days even tho the sun  not giving off much warmth  yet. Starting to finally  get some reading  from the  solar sensor. Sun angle  been too low for it to register as it was not getting above the tree line. Temps today  are in single digits again with night time dipping below zero. So far no deep freezes in the picture  but there is an omega blocker over the  bering so storms will track around it then  dump down the rockies.

John
Title: Re: Winter '16-'17
Post by: ValentineWeather on February 07, 2017, 03:01:39 PM
Jackson Wyoming getting it today. http://www.seejh.com/live
https://www.jacksonholenet.com/webcams/town_square.php

We are getting our last hurrah tonight.  6" possible and through rest of meteorological winter not much going into March.
Title: Re: Winter '16-'17
Post by: Scalphunter on February 07, 2017, 03:07:21 PM
Snow here in the forecast for the next 5 days  starting tonight with another dip in to the -30  plus temperature.

John
Title: Re: Winter '16-'17
Post by: CW2274 on February 07, 2017, 03:26:31 PM
Upper 80's Thur and Fri, probable records.
Title: Re: Winter '16-'17
Post by: Central Maine Weather on February 07, 2017, 03:50:29 PM
Finally cold and snowy here in central Maine. The storms are lining up now with lots of cold air in place. No brutal cold like we had back in December, but much colder than all of last month when we had above average temps almost the entire month.
Title: Re: Winter '16-'17
Post by: WheatonRon on February 07, 2017, 05:43:26 PM
It has been a strange winter here in the Chicago area since January 1. Nearly 4 inches of precipitation since January 1, but only traces of snow! Had that precipitation been received in the form of snow--would likely have been 3-4 feet of snow! I guess the ground area is still warm from the Chicago Cubs World Series title last Fall!
Title: Re: Winter '16-'17
Post by: ValentineWeather on February 07, 2017, 06:04:59 PM
It does seem this winter has concentrated more toward the west and Dakotas. I'm catching some of it here in far northern Ne. but toward SE Omaha and Lincoln its been rather dry and mild. Omaha had its all time warm January while we were slightly below normal January and -5 mean below December. If models are right last 2 weeks of February Chicago may not see much but some big March storms are always possible and being several weeks out models can change.
Title: Re: Winter '16-'17
Post by: BigOkie on February 07, 2017, 10:38:28 PM
NE Oklahoma has been in the mid 70s for the last two days.  Next couple of days more seasonable in the 50s, but Saturday we will venture into record high territory where the temperature is forecast to be 81.  Weird winter for sure.
Title: Re: Winter '16-'17
Post by: Scalphunter on February 07, 2017, 10:58:56 PM
Saturday night they are forecasting -40 for us here. Going be interesting to see where this pool of cold air moves to as it goes east.
Title: Re: Winter '16-'17
Post by: Jstx on February 08, 2017, 07:02:47 AM
Sorry again guys, every station in South Central and South Texas I looked at a detailed report on, set a new daily high temp record yesterday (and probably a couple of the others like highest low).  8-) MFE (McAllen, TX) was 94F, likely the US high.
Today (8Feb) is more of the same, but even hotter by 2-6 degrees, and probable new records too.
And mercifully, the DP/Hum dried out with the little FROPA. While this feels so good, it is really messing a lot of natural things up.
Could be another record heat year, it is affecting many plants and animals. Affect on rainfall/drought and cyclones remains +- an unknown, outside of the WX models.
Some really interesting numbers are the "Degree Days" values for heating and cooling, they are waaay out of normal values for the various time periods given; which indicates the cumulative heat excursion for this winter, so far.

http://w2.weather.gov/climate/index.php?wfo=ewx (http://w2.weather.gov/climate/index.php?wfo=ewx)
http://w2.weather.gov/climate/index.php?wfo=crp (http://w2.weather.gov/climate/index.php?wfo=crp)
http://w2.weather.gov/climate/index.php?wfo=bro (http://w2.weather.gov/climate/index.php?wfo=bro)


Regional Max/Min Temp and Precipitation Table
771
ASUS64 KEWX 080030
RTPEWX
EVENING TEMPERATURE AND PRECIPITATION SUMMARY FOR SOUTH CENTRAL TEXAS
NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE AUSTIN/SAN ANTONIO TX
625 PM CST TUE FEB 7 2017

VALUES REPRESENT LOWS OVER THE LAST 18 HOURS...
HIGHS OVER THE PAST 18 HOURS AND PRECIPITATION OVER THE
LAST 24 HOURS
.BR EWX 0207 C DH19/TAIRZS/TAIRZI/PPDDRZZ
:
:                            MAX    MIN
:ID       LOCATION           TEMP   TEMP   PCPN
:
KATT: CAMP MABRY ASOS     :    86 /  65 /  0.00
KAUS: BERGSTROM ASOS      :    88 /  65 /    T
KEDC: AUSTIN EXEC AWOS    :    82 /  64 /  0.00
KBAZ: NEW BRAUNFELS ASOS  :    89 /  69 /  0.00
KBMQ: BURNET ASOS         :    80 /  55 /  0.00
KDRT: DEL RIO ASOS        :    87 /  53 /  0.00
KGTU: GEORGETOWN AWOS     :    82 /  64 /  0.00
KHDO: HONDO ASOS          :    89 /  56 /  0.00
KHYI: SAN MARCOS AWOS     :    88 /  66 /  0.00
K3T5: LA GRANGE AWOS      :    86 /  69 /  0.00
KSAT: SAN ANTONIO ASOS    :    86 /  67 /    T
KSSF: STINSON ASOS        :    88 /  68 /  0.00
KERV: KERRVILLE AWOS      :    82 /  51 /  0.00
KT82: FREDERICKSBURG AWOS :    79 /  47 /  0.03
KUVA: UVALDE AWOS         :    85 /  52 /  0.00
KECU: ROCKSPRINGS AWOS    :    79 /  54 /  0.00
KAQO: LLANO AWOS          :    82 /  52 /  0.00
KGYB: GIDDINGS AWOS       :    84 /  65 /  0.00
KPEZ: PLEASANTON AWOS     :    87 /  66 /  0.00
KRYW: LAGO VISTA AWOS     :    82 /  66 /  0.00
KSKF: PT SAN ANTONIO ASOS :    87 /  66 /  0.00
KRND: RANDOLPH AFB ASOS   :    87 /  67 /  0.00
KDLF: LAUGHLIN AFB ASOS   :    87 /  54 /  0.00
KCVB: CASTROVILLE AWOS    :    88 /  62 /  0.00
KDZB: HORSESHOE BAY AWOS  :    83 /  59 /  0.00
KT20: GONZALES AWOS       :    88 /  69 /  0.00
KCZT: CARRIZO SPRINGS AWOS:    88 /  55 /  0.00
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THESE DATA ARE PRELIMINARY AND HAVE NOT UNDERGONE FINAL QUALITY CONTROL BY THE
NATIONAL CLIMATIC DATA CENTER /NCDC/. THEREFORE...THESE DATA ARE SUBJECT TO
REVISION. FINAL AND CERTIFIED CLIMATE DATA CAN BE ACCESSED AT WWW.NCDC.NOAA.GOV.
Title: Re: Winter '16-'17
Post by: Jstx on February 08, 2017, 07:11:49 AM
Saturday night they are forecasting -40 for us here. Going be interesting to see where this pool of cold air moves to as it goes east.

It dang sure ain't headed this way...forecast high here is "High: 90 °F
".  8-) Even hotter further south.
A >130°F spread, I'll take mine over yours any day. What a difference 35-39° of latitude make.  :-)

Today
Sunny, with a high near 90. West northwest wind 5 to 10 mph increasing to 10 to 15 mph in the afternoon.
Title: Re: Winter '16-'17
Post by: ValentineWeather on February 08, 2017, 07:20:41 AM
4.4" new snow last night, rather cold 4° (-15.5C). We are looking for big warmup from warm air moving in this Friday upper 50's. This should be fun with all the snow melt 8" at gauge this morning....Not.... Mud.
Title: Re: Winter '16-'17
Post by: Scalphunter on February 08, 2017, 03:13:53 PM
Nice thing about the cold you can always put on another layer, as to heat  you can only take off so much,  beside who cares to really live  where you have to A/C every thing 24/7.
Title: Re: Winter '16-'17
Post by: Jáchym on February 08, 2017, 03:18:03 PM
Thats exactly what I posted earlier in this thread John :D and now imagine you dont have A/C at work nor at home...
Title: Re: Winter '16-'17
Post by: Scalphunter on February 08, 2017, 03:46:22 PM
With temps reaching 120 deg in Engine room A/c would not have done much. Even if control room is A/C  it still is muggy.

John
Title: Re: Winter '16-'17
Post by: Jstx on February 08, 2017, 03:52:03 PM
Nice thing about the cold you can always put on another layer, as to heat  you can only take off so much,  beside who cares to really live  where you have to A/C every thing 24/7.

Moi, Monsieur Scalphunter, and many millions of incoming new Sunbelt residents.
The pop growth I've seen around here gives me the heebeegeebees. Most of South Texas was a relative low-growth, low-economy backwater, until the last couple of decades. Tremendous recent changes.
My former work was somewhat dependent/sensitive to population, but I've always preferred to live rural, while enduring working in everything from very remote sites to the major cities.
I've even lived/TDY'ed in some mighty cold places (flatspotted C-20 PU split-rim tires were a novelty to me at -20F). Used to vacation in places like Killarney&Wawa, ON, UP MI (kinfolk in Keewenaw).

Near the TX coast, there is usually a cooling breeze, some homes can do without an A/C (not mine, even on a ridge with a (usual) steady wind). Once those roof tiles heat up it can take all night to cool 'em down (and ambient at 90°F+ after midnight is common, some cycles).
Only 86°F now, high clouds have moved overhead, shade  8-).
Title: Re: Winter '16-'17
Post by: Jstx on February 08, 2017, 04:10:44 PM
Thats exactly what I posted earlier in this thread John :D and now imagine you dont have A/C at work nor at home...

Jáchym (and Scalphunter), BTDT (beentheredonethat).
A/C's and comm'l power fail sometimes. Right now I could just open all the patio doors and it would be quite comfortable, with a nice breeze inside (but working in the garage, which is an airtrap and gets warm quick).
At work our systems had to be certified, one of the tests was an extended thermal test @a regulated 120°F ambient 6' off the floor (dozens of merc thermometers :-P), a nominal 24hr run that could last a week+ when the gremlins popped out  :twisted:, mandatory physicals, time-in-hell limits, etc. Only so much time in hell, then a spell in the control room to cool off*. Some locations had no A/C, period, a few fans was it.

*(adding this much later: after an extended time in 'hell', you would sometimes step outside the building, into the 100F+ degree S. TX summertime (or winter...), and enjoy the cool 100+ degree breeze and 80%+ RH for a bit   :roll: )
Title: Re: Winter '16-'17
Post by: ValentineWeather on February 09, 2017, 09:01:41 AM
Consecutive days of 32° or lower in danger of ending over next few days. Overnight low 35° forecast tomorrow morning with very mild air inflow.
Title: Re: Winter '16-'17
Post by: WeatherHost on February 09, 2017, 01:49:28 PM
High 60s and Tornado Warnings a couple of days ago.  Might not make 32 today.  Upper 50s again tomorrow.



Title: Re: Winter '16-'17
Post by: zackdog on February 10, 2017, 09:52:58 AM
My string of 630 consecutive February days with a low <=32°F came to an end yesterday.  The low was 37.0° and the high was 48.8°.  When I got up this morning it was 45°.  The mean temperature for the first nine days of February was 32.0°.  My 21 year average mean for the whole month of February is 19.6°.

Mark
Title: Re: Winter '16-'17
Post by: ValentineWeather on February 10, 2017, 03:54:54 PM
My string of 630 consecutive February days with a low <=32°F came to an end yesterday.  The low was 37.0° and the high was 48.8°.  When I got up this morning it was 45°.  The mean temperature for the first nine days of February was 32.0°.  My 21 year average mean for the whole month of February is 19.6°.

Mark

Didn't realize you had lived on the mountain perch that long. My low of 35° today will end the 85 day streak of 32 or below if we don't get there before midnight. February mean so far 19.9° (-7.3) below normal will start going up rapidly looking at long range forecast 50's over next 2 weeks.
Title: Re: Winter '16-'17
Post by: WeatherHost on February 11, 2017, 01:53:40 AM
I've had an 83 degree temperature spread in February over the last few years.  The warm month made me look back at the recent charts.  And the two opposites were almost on the same day a year apart.

-10 on 2/19/15

73 on 2/20/16

Title: Re: Winter '16-'17
Post by: Central Maine Weather on February 11, 2017, 06:23:25 AM
A major Nor'easter is on the way for us. We have received over a foot and a half of snow over the past week. 2-4" expected today as a clipper system moves through, and then all eyes will be on the real storm tomorrow afternoon through Monday evening. Up to 2 ft of snow expected with 50 MPH winds and whiteout conditions likely for a long duration. Blizzard Warnings are likely to be posted in our area soon. Should be a great storm.

Then another storm is possible mid to late week next week. Our snow depth currently sits at just over 2 ft (26 inches to be exact) and this will possibly double after the next 3 days. Old man winter is making a brutal appearance this month here in Maine and all of New England.
Title: Re: Winter '16-'17
Post by: chief-david on February 11, 2017, 10:02:35 AM
46 yesterday.  40 today.  A little rain tonight and almost 40 all next week. (so they say)

Can't complain. Unless you like snow.

Someone had a truck go in Lake Minnetonka yesterday. Close to shore.  IF I was an icefisher, I would be taking my place off the lake.
Title: Re: Winter '16-'17
Post by: Jstx on February 11, 2017, 12:49:00 PM
On this 11th of August...oops...February, most of the NOAA WFO's around are predicting more record setting high temperatures today, again, from the high 80's to mid-90's °F   8-) , and sun sun sun.
Wish I could post my home surveillance cams here, ain't a cloud in the sky now, after a bunch earlier (the usual).
My WS reading is at 79°F and it's not even noon yet! In the middle of February.
I turned on the heat pump A/C yesterday when the Gulf humidity rolled back in with the veering  windshift to the prevailing SE, after a nice little FROPA day before. HP's been on all night.
Heh, most of y'all don't even get this warm all effen summer.  :twisted:

http://www.weather.gov/crp/ (http://www.weather.gov/crp/)
"Record heat is expected today! Morning clouds will give way to sunny skies for this afternoon. Breezy to windy conditions will develop, with the windiest conditions occurring across the Coastal Plains. Afternoon highs will be in the 90s across most inland areas."

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Title: Re: Winter '16-'17
Post by: Central Maine Weather on February 11, 2017, 01:07:04 PM
On this 11th of August...oops...February, most of the NOAA WFO's around are predicting more record setting high temperatures today, again, from the high 80's to mid-90's °F   8-) , and sun sun sun.
Wish I could post my home surveillance cams here, ain't a cloud in the sky now, after a bunch earlier (the usual).
My WS reading is at 79°F and it's not even noon yet! In the middle of February.
I turned on the heat pump A/C yesterday when the Gulf humidity rolled back in with the veering  windshift to the prevailing SE, after a nice little FROPA day before. HP's been on all night.
Heh, most of y'all don't even get this warm all effen summer.  :twisted:

http://www.weather.gov/crp/ (http://www.weather.gov/crp/)
"Record heat is expected today! Morning clouds will give way to sunny skies for this afternoon. Breezy to windy conditions will develop, with the windiest conditions occurring across the Coastal Plains. Afternoon highs will be in the 90s across most inland areas."

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If only I could share some of our cold and snow with you! Temp is currently 8F and we've received 5.5" of snow so far today. 1.5 to 2ft likely tomorrow night into Monday.
Title: Re: Winter '16-'17
Post by: WeatherHost on February 11, 2017, 01:27:48 PM
If only I could share some of our ...

If only we could moderate the weather to comfortable temperatures and 'enough' precipitation nationwide.  How many quintillion-gazillion square yards of acrylic would it take to build a bubble over the US?

Title: Re: Winter '16-'17
Post by: Central Maine Weather on February 11, 2017, 01:31:11 PM
If only I could share some of our ...

If only we could moderate the weather to comfortable temperatures and 'enough' precipitation nationwide.  How many quintillion-gazillion square yards of acrylic would it take to build a bubble over the US?


:lol: I don't even want to begin to imagine...
Title: Re: Winter '16-'17
Post by: CW2274 on February 11, 2017, 02:00:00 PM
If only I could share some of our ...
How many quintillion-gazillion square yards of acrylic would it take to build a bubble over the US?
Betcha Trump knows.... :lol:
Title: Re: Winter '16-'17
Post by: Jstx on February 11, 2017, 02:00:40 PM
On this 11th of August...oops...February, most of the NOAA WFO's around are predicting more record setting high temperatures today, again, from the high 80's to mid-90's °F   8-) , and sun sun sun.
Wish I could post my home surveillance cams here, ain't a cloud in the sky now, after a bunch earlier (the usual).
My WS reading is at 79°F and it's not even noon yet! In the middle of February.
I turned on the heat pump A/C yesterday when the Gulf humidity rolled back in with the veering  windshift to the prevailing SE, after a nice little FROPA day before. HP's been on all night.
Heh, most of y'all don't even get this warm all effen summer.  :twisted:

http://www.weather.gov/crp/ (http://www.weather.gov/crp/)
"Record heat is expected today! Morning clouds will give way to sunny skies for this afternoon. Breezy to windy conditions will develop, with the windiest conditions occurring across the Coastal Plains. Afternoon highs will be in the 90s across most inland areas."

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If only I could share some of our cold and snow with you! Temp is currently 8F and we've received 5.5" of snow so far today. 1.5 to 2ft likely tomorrow night into Monday.

OMG! URK...that suuux.
Just checked my fav go-to 'big picture' Unisys web page:
http://weather.unisys.com/satellite/sat_sfc.php?inv=0&t=cur (http://weather.unisys.com/satellite/sat_sfc.php?inv=0&t=cur)
Holy Cow, looks like a mean low near Toronto and a high near you driving the whole NE WX into the dirt...errr...snow. Dayum, it's 83 in Amarillo right now (a looong way from here)!

Some snow would be nice down here; heck, I'll trade about anything for lobsters and maple syrup  :lol:  !
Title: Re: Winter '16-'17
Post by: Jáchym on February 11, 2017, 02:25:44 PM
Quote
I turned on the heat pump A/C yesterday
in January in the U.S.? :D :D :D

Now, one thing is for sure, I will remember that moving to Texas is a no no for me :D I would rather move somewhere near our other John living close to Fairbanks :D
Title: Re: Winter '16-'17
Post by: Jstx on February 11, 2017, 02:49:46 PM
Quote
I turned on the heat pump A/C yesterday
in January in the U.S.? :D :D :D

Now, one thing is for sure, I will remember that moving to Texas is a no no for me :D I would rather move somewhere near our other John living close to Fairbanks :D

Jáchym,
February, not January. AKA: 'The Dead of Winter', or supposed to be anyway.
Let me show you what it looks like, I just snapped a pic with one of my home surveillance system cams (btw, I luv this Panasonic system). Then I emailed it from the tablet that runs the Panasonic surv app, to myself on the main computer.
Hope this works:
This is what a very sunny day in S.TX at ~1320hr, ~85F at the ranch looks like:

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Title: Re: Winter '16-'17
Post by: ValentineWeather on February 11, 2017, 03:58:02 PM
 Even the camera is out of focus.  ;)
Title: Re: Winter '16-'17
Post by: zackdog on February 11, 2017, 04:22:10 PM
Up until the last two days, the earliest I have ever had a daily mean temperature >=40°F was March 14.  On February 9 it was 41.8° and on the 10th it was a ridiculous 45.0°.  Normally this time of year the snow level is increasing, but in the last three days I have lost over 5" of snow pack.  My driveway looks like it normally does in late March or early April.

Mark

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Title: Re: Winter '16-'17
Post by: Jstx on February 11, 2017, 04:57:09 PM
Even the camera is out of focus.  ;)

Hey , as plainly noted it's a surveillance camera, it has no optical controls, it is not a particulary high resolution/pixel device, pretty low actually (VGA, 0.3Mpixel, H.264 compr, looked it up jfy).
Therefore it it is just adequate for it's intended purpose.
I could use a smartphone, or several nice digital cameras, and snap a few pics, but this is so convenient for just slamming a pic up. And it's an alarm system, turn it on as an alarm and it keeps auto-watch on the whole place. Not that much ever happens out here  :grin: .
Touch the app screen, hit the 'photo' button, and done. They do video too, have a thermometer, and tons of 'screening/zoning' software controls; plus 2way audible (the microphone is awesome, picking up distant convos 1-200 yards away  :shock:).
Oh yeah, the nighttime infrared is pretty dang good, you can make out the stripes on the racoons  :lol: .
http://shop.panasonic.com/support-only/KX-HNC600W.html# (http://shop.panasonic.com/support-only/KX-HNC600W.html#)

Would I like better ones? Sure, but for what I paid for the whole 4 cam system (actually got several systems) I could only buy a fraction of one of the new HD 1080p indoor cams that Panasonic just came out with for these systems: ~$200 each.
http://shop.panasonic.com/home-and-office/connected-home/connected-home-complete-systems/KX-HNC800B.html (http://shop.panasonic.com/home-and-office/connected-home/connected-home-complete-systems/KX-HNC800B.html)

Like I wrote, I'm real happy with the system, and it came with many other sensors and goodies.
Panasonic quality, all kinds of flexibility, safeguards, etc. And the app supports up to 4 systems at once on/per one device (you can have up to 8 app devices IIRC, tabs, phones, per alarm sys).

I'm even installing a system aboard the boat, in the marina slip. One camera will even just observe the power panel, allowing me to monitor volts/amps, various status and alarms, remotely. Doing that with other dedicated telemetry or commercial marine alarm systems is very complicated and expensive, this is a snap.
And with the remote controllable Smartplugs, you can even turn off and on things (120V AC things, but with relays, etc., you can do almost anything; I wuz an EE/IT exprt  :twisted:).
Title: Re: Winter '16-'17
Post by: Jstx on February 11, 2017, 05:17:56 PM
Some freakin' winter  :shock: .
Day after day of this is not a normal WX pattern, even here (interspersed with occasional FROPAS, of course, but most quite mild.:

Location
Time
(cst)
Sky/Weather
Temp.
 (şF)
Dewpt.
 (şF)
Humidity
 (%)
Wind
 (mph)
Pressure
 (in)

Pleasanton Municipal Airport 15:55 Fair 89 57 34 SE 9 29.94
San Antonio Boerne Stage Field 15:55 Fair 79 63 58 S 12 29.99
Maverick County Memorial International Airport 15:55 Fair 81 63 54 SE 8 29.95
New Braunfels, New Braunfels Municipal Airport 15:51 Fair with Haze 88 62 42 S 14 29.94
Cotulla, Cotulla-La Salle County Airport 15:53 Fair 93 56 29 S 10 29.92
Corpus Christi, Corpus Christi International Airport 15:51 Fair and Windy 83 69 63 SE 31 G 37 29.95
Castroville Municipal Airport 15:55 Fair 87 58 37 S 7 29.97
Carrizo Springs Dimmit County Airport 15:55 Fair 90 61 38 SE 7 29.91
Del Rio, Del Rio International Airport 15:53 Fair 81 61 51 SE 7 29.93
Hondo, Hondo Municipal Airport 15:51 Fair 88 62 42 S 8 29.95
Randolph Air Force Base 15:58 Fair 86 61 43 S 8 29.95
San Antonio, San Antonio International Airport 15:51 Partly Cloudy 84 62 48 S 9 29.96
San Antonio, Stinson Municipal Airport 15:53 Fair 88 61 40 S 5 29.93
Gonzales Roger M. Dreyer Memorial 15:55 Fair 88 65 46 S 10 G 18 29.94
Uvalde, Garner Field Airport 15:55 Fair 84 62 48 S 8 29.96

Click on location name for the weather during the past two days at that site.

Beeville Municipal Airport (KBEA)
Lat: 28.36°NLon: 97.79°WElev: 269ft.
 Fair
89°F
32°C
Humidity 52%
Wind Speed SE 14 G 21 mph
Barometer 29.94 in
Dewpoint 70°F (21°C)
Visibility 10.00 mi
Heat Index 94°F (34°C)
Last update 11 Feb 3:55 pm CST 

Title: Re: Winter '16-'17
Post by: Jáchym on February 11, 2017, 05:41:06 PM
Yes, of course, I meant February :) But still :D
Title: Re: Winter '16-'17
Post by: WeatherHost on February 11, 2017, 05:50:57 PM
Quote
I turned on the heat pump A/C yesterday
in January in the U.S.? :D :D :D


Corpus Christie, TX is along the 28th Parallel, same as Libya, Egypt, Kuwait and New Delhi, India.




Title: Re: Winter '16-'17
Post by: Jáchym on February 11, 2017, 06:08:04 PM
I know it is a warm region, but you cannot compare Libya with Texas, latitude is not everything.

Look at the temperature in eg. Svalbard and the same latitude in Canada ;)
Title: Re: Winter '16-'17
Post by: Jstx on February 11, 2017, 06:14:36 PM
Quote
I turned on the heat pump A/C yesterday
in January in the U.S.? :D :D :D


Corpus Christie, TX is along the 28th Parallel, same as Libya, Egypt, Kuwait and New Delhi, India.

Close, Corpus is about 30 minutes lat South of 28N, Brownsville/SPI are about 26N. My boat lies in Rockport, TX, almost exactly on 28N.
All of them get as hot, or hotter than your examples. It's just not supposed to be that way in the effen middle of winter   :?: .


Edit: Jáchym, just read your comment. This area is probably close to coastal Libya, et al., of course not as hot (most of the time) as the interior or Sahara.
Although we too have an "interior" away from the coast (all the way to California/Baja, Cali is actually quite farther North in latitude), and generally somewhat hotter. EG: Laredo vs. coastal Corpus.
A few years ago we had an Aug/Sep period of a week or two when the highs were +- 110°F, I think the San Antonio record is 119°F, and there are places here hotter.
Laredo might be 10-20°F hotter on a given day than the coast (Corpus, etc), and will retain that heat much longer after sundown, even to morning; Corpus almost always has a nice seabreeze, Laredo can be windless.
The Coastal Bend is one of the (US) best places for water sports there is.
I know them well, having worked and 'lived' in both (and many other places).
Laredo is the hottest, dustiest, noisiest place one can imagine, at least in the US.
We have a usually reliable seabreeze, and sometimes an offshore 'sirocco' or whatever that hot, dry "Santa Ana" type wind is called.
We've actually had several of those "downsloping, compressional" wind patterns this 'winter', westerlies coming off the interior mountains. One of them brought like a 50°F temp upswing in a few hours.
Title: Re: Winter '16-'17
Post by: SLOweather on February 11, 2017, 07:22:46 PM
Actually the math is pretty easy. Using average continental US height and width from google (sorry, John and Stan...), and half the area of a cylinder that size, converting miles to yards, etc...

2.67 x 10^13 square yards ought to do it.

And the entire country will get a nice second hand contact high from all the solvent cement needed to glue it together...

:)


If only we could moderate the weather to comfortable temperatures and 'enough' precipitation nationwide.  How many quintillion-gazillion square yards of acrylic would it take to build a bubble over the US?


:lol: I don't even want to begin to imagine...
Title: Re: Winter '16-'17
Post by: Jáchym on February 11, 2017, 07:28:35 PM
Greenhouse effect taken to the next level :D
Title: Re: Winter '16-'17
Post by: WeatherHost on February 11, 2017, 07:38:44 PM
OK, everybody start chewing .....

(https://www.oldtimecandy.com/media/wysiwyg/category/bazooka.jpg)
Title: Re: Winter '16-'17
Post by: Jáchym on February 11, 2017, 08:03:59 PM
Naahhh.. come on, we have to be a bit eco-friendly :D

Would be a nice use for the millions of tons of plastic we release to the oceans every year :D
Title: Re: Winter '16-'17
Post by: Scalphunter on February 11, 2017, 09:04:03 PM
(http://i666.photobucket.com/albums/vv23/Scalphunter_photos/Mobile%20Uploads/20170211_143346_zpshvtbrxrh.jpg) (http://s666.photobucket.com/user/Scalphunter_photos/media/Mobile%20Uploads/20170211_143346_zpshvtbrxrh.jpg.html)

CAVU day in paradise today. Alaska Range was standing out nicely even tho 100 miles away. Nice day sitting around fishing. Temperature at lake was an mild 20 below.
Title: Re: Winter '16-'17
Post by: Scalphunter on February 11, 2017, 09:50:37 PM
  Alaska Temperature Extremes.
:  Highest Temperature Last 12 Hours.
:   44 at Annette...Sitka
:  Lowest Temperature Last 24 Hours.
:  -45 at Tanana
:
Title: Re: Winter '16-'17
Post by: chief-david on February 12, 2017, 12:06:35 PM
Had a little rain last night.

40's this week. 50 next weekend.    Another truck through the ice in southern Minnesota.
today may be the day to get fish houses off the ice.
Title: Re: Winter '16-'17
Post by: Farmtalk on February 12, 2017, 01:14:29 PM
Having the first convective thunderstorms of the season in my area. Temperatures in the low 70s (should be in upper 40s). Nice strong front lurking a couple hundred miles west to cool us down.

Title: Re: Winter '16-'17
Post by: Carson Weather on February 12, 2017, 06:50:28 PM
Flooding along the Eastern Sierra.
I shot this here in Carson City yesterday:
[youtube]https://youtu.be/HmL1kr6i8pQ[/youtube]
Title: Re: Winter '16-'17
Post by: Jáchym on February 12, 2017, 06:53:58 PM
Last few days were I would say the absolute average winter here.

At night temps drop to around -5C (23F) when clear or -2C (28F) when cloudy. Daily max usually between freezing point and +2C (35F).

Very little precipitation, but there are still traces of snow on the ground because the temps dont stay above zero long enough for it to melt.

Fresh wind lowers the feels like.
Title: Re: Winter '16-'17
Post by: ocala on February 12, 2017, 07:21:30 PM
Nice flying Carson. :grin:
Thanks for the movie.
Title: Re: Winter '16-'17
Post by: ValentineWeather on February 12, 2017, 07:46:54 PM
Last few days were I would say the absolute average winter here.

At night temps drop to around -5C (23F) when clear or -2C (28F) when cloudy. Daily max usually between freezing point and +2C (35F).

Very little precipitation, but there are still traces of snow on the ground because the temps dont stay above zero long enough for it to melt.

Fresh wind lowers the feels like.

I hope you're wearing the mittens and ear muffs so you don't catch a cold.  I do when it gets that cold.  8-)
Title: Re: Winter '16-'17
Post by: Scalphunter on February 12, 2017, 08:13:14 PM
 Alaska Temperature Extremes.
:  Highest Temperature Last 12 Hours.
:   46 at Klawock...Annette
:  Lowest Temperature Last 24 Hours.
:  -46 at Bettles
Title: Re: Winter '16-'17
Post by: Jáchym on February 12, 2017, 08:25:54 PM
Last few days were I would say the absolute average winter here.

At night temps drop to around -5C (23F) when clear or -2C (28F) when cloudy. Daily max usually between freezing point and +2C (35F).

Very little precipitation, but there are still traces of snow on the ground because the temps dont stay above zero long enough for it to melt.

Fresh wind lowers the feels like.

I hope you're wearing the mittens and ear muffs so you don't catch a cold.  I do when it gets that cold.  8-)


I love winter and cold weather, I dont wear a jacket unless it gets below -10C (15F). You get used to it.
Title: Re: Winter '16-'17
Post by: chief-david on February 12, 2017, 08:59:40 PM
Evacuations around Oroville dam in California

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2017/02/12/officials-order-evacuations-areas-near-damaged-california-dam.html
Title: Re: Winter '16-'17
Post by: ValentineWeather on February 12, 2017, 09:32:10 PM
Feast or famine in the SW. Many Arizona dams are in the 95% range with huge inflows still.
Title: Re: Winter '16-'17
Post by: Jstx on February 13, 2017, 09:54:52 AM
'Winter' returns, brrrr... :-(
Today we gots a solid cloud deck after a weak front stalled overhead, cooled off ~10-20 degrees, will be in mid 60's to low 80's the rest of the week, after some rain through Tue.
Yesterday's summary:
ASUS64 KLUB 130039
RTPTX
TEXAS TEMPERATURE AND PRECIPITATION TABLE
NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE LUBBOCK TX
639 PM CST SUN FEB 12 2017
DATA THROUGH 6PM CST
HIGHEST LAST 18 HOURS. LOWEST LAST 18 HOURS...12AM TO 6PM CST
PRECIP LAST 24 HOURS...ENDING AT 6 PM CST
.BR LUB 0212 C DH18/TAIRZS/TAIRZI/PPDRZZ
TEXAS TEMPERATURE EXTREMES:
Highest...91 degrees at Cotulla and Laredo
Lowest....37 degrees at Dalhart

:...SOUTH TEXAS...
ALI  :Alice                 :   89 / 67 /   0.00
ATT  :Austin Mabry          :   79 / 67 /   0.00
AUS  :Austin Bergstrom      :   84 / 64 /   0.00
BPT  :Beaumont              :   85 / 69 /   0.00
BRO  :Brownsville           :   83 / 70 /   0.00
BMQ  :Burnet                :   73 / 61 /   0.00
CLL  :College Station       :   84 / 68 /   0.00
CXO  :Conroe                :   85 / 68 /   0.00
CRP  :Corpus Christi        :   85 / 68 /   0.00
NGP  :Navy Corpus           :   80 / 69 /   0.00
COT  :Cotulla               :   91 / 65 /   0.00
DRT  :Del Rio               :   81 / 56 /   0.00
GLS  :Galveston             :   80 / 69 /   0.00
HRL  :Harlingen             :   86 / 69 /   0.00
HDO  :Hondo                 :   85 / 60 /   0.00
HOU  :Houston Hobby         :   85 / 69 /   0.00
IAH  :Houston Bush          :   86 / 71 /   0.00
UTS  :Huntsville            :   85 / 68 /   0.00
JCT  :Junction ASOS         :   75 / 52 /   0.00
NQI  :Kingsville            :   88 / 67 /   0.00
LRD  :Laredo                :   91 / 66 /   0.00
MFE  :McAllen               :   89 / 72 /   0.00
BAZ  :New Braunfels         :   86 / 63 /   0.00
PSX  :Palacios              :   79 / 69 /   0.00
LVJ  :Pearland              :   86 / 72 /   0.00
RKP  :Rockport              :   81 / 70 /   0.00
SAT  :San Antonio           :   84 / 65 /   0.00
SSF  :San Antonio Stinson   :   87 / 66 /   0.00
DWH  :Tomball               :   86 / 70 /   0.00
VCT  :Victoria              :   86 / 70 /   0.00
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Title: Re: Winter '16-'17
Post by: Scalphunter on February 13, 2017, 02:42:11 PM
Yesterday morning we were at -30 , today it is +23  wish winter would come and stay an while. Hoping to get some more fire insurance today or tonight.

John
Title: Re: Winter '16-'17
Post by: alexstaar on February 14, 2017, 02:13:37 AM
Extremely dry air downwind of the Appalachians Monday in the western Carolinas. GSP (in Greer, SC) hit 65şF (18şC) with a dewpoint of 2şF (-17şC) and an RH of 8% (high was 66şF). I don't recall a time recently when the RH was that low at GSP. Checked other ASOSs across the region. GSP took home the prize for the driest Monday afternoon. The Davis Vantage Vue at my parent's house about 8 miles due south of GSP as the crow flies bottomed out with a dewpoint of 7şF (-14şC) and RH of 11% (all time record low RH for the station since winter 2015). Definitely pushing the ol' SHT11 to its limit!  :-P

Of course all due to downslope flow of an already dry airmass of the Appalachian Mountains! Neat stuff!  8-)
Title: Re: Winter '16-'17
Post by: Farmtalk on February 14, 2017, 07:56:42 PM
Going back up to 20-30 degrees above average temperature-wise next week. Gonna be a fun roller coaster ride yet again! 8-)
Title: Re: Winter '16-'17
Post by: Jstx on February 15, 2017, 08:17:11 AM
Speaking of roller coaster rides, big front blew through yesterday morning and raised some hell, dropped temps, one wind gust measured 39mph and I suspect my anemometer of under-registering so probably somewhat higher, and dumped 1.21" rain here in a few minutes (it triggered ~6 small tornadoes near Houston/Galveston + lots of wind damage, some injuries).
Sure cooled it down a bit quick, highs will only hit 60's today and Thu, then 7-80's later.

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Title: Re: Winter '16-'17
Post by: ValentineWeather on February 16, 2017, 07:52:49 AM
Today's record high for Valentine Ne. is  71 °F (2011). We will come close with forecast of 70°.
Title: Re: Winter '16-'17
Post by: chief-david on February 17, 2017, 04:41:23 PM
High of 63 today. Crushing the old record in the 50's.
Title: Re: Winter '16-'17
Post by: cospringswx on February 17, 2017, 07:13:30 PM
Record highs set here too.
Title: Re: Winter '16-'17
Post by: Jáchym on February 17, 2017, 07:27:37 PM
Past few days we had a "smog warning" - there is a very significant temperature inversion, I live in one of the lowest located areas of the CZ and we had the lowest temperature of all major cities.

There is also very dense fog tonight. In fact I hardly remember seeing such heavy fog. Cars going very slowly and even when I walked you only see a few meters ahead...
Title: Re: Winter '16-'17
Post by: chief-david on February 19, 2017, 03:02:03 PM
Another record today 58.

The "for every reaction there is an equal and opposite reation'  statement.

Great potential for significant! snow fall next weekend  Models running 0-20 inches.
From NWS-MPLS

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C5DWyrWXAAEt7Qk.jpg)
Title: Re: Winter '16-'17
Post by: WeatherHost on February 19, 2017, 03:05:19 PM
Yeah, I keep waiting for the other boot to drop.  Trees and flowers are budding, so must be time for a freeze.

Title: Re: Winter '16-'17
Post by: chief-david on February 20, 2017, 04:27:43 PM
almost 0.6 in of rain today. More to come. Pretty good for February.
Track of the snow at the end of the week is still undecided.
Title: Re: Winter '16-'17
Post by: chief-david on February 21, 2017, 04:59:57 PM
High of 62 today. then

Quote
POWERFUL WINTER STORM TAKING AIM AT THE UPPER MIDWEST THURSDAY
NIGHT THROUGH FRIDAY EVENING...BRINGING HEAVY SNOW...STRONG
WINDS...AND BLOWING SNOW...

.What could be the strongest winter storm of the season is
expected to track across the Plains Thursday, to Iowa Thursday
night, and Wisconsin by Friday. Rain will develop across southern
Minnesota Thursday afternoon and early evening before changing to
heavy snow Thursday night through Friday. Snowfall rates of 1 to
2 inches per hour are likely within the intense snow band, which
could persist for several hours.

Snow accumulations of 6 to 12 inches are likely from southwest to
east central Minnesota and west central Wisconsin, with amounts
of over a foot possible. A Winter Storm Watch has been issued for
the area most likely to receive these amounts, but it could be
expanded northward in subsequent forecasts. In addition, northeast
winds Friday morning becoming north and northwest Friday afternoon
will gust as high as 40 mph. Blowing snow will further reduce
visibilities. If these winds materialize, blizzard conditions
should be expected in open areas.

The Friday morning and afternoon commutes are expected to be
significantly impacted.

MNZ053-059>063-065>070-073>078-082>085-091-092-220530-
/O.NEW.KMPX.WS.A.0003.170224T0000Z-170225T0000Z/
Chisago-Wright-Hennepin-Anoka-Ramsey-Washington-Renville-McLeod-
Sibley-Carver-Scott-Dakota-Redwood-Brown-Nicollet-Le Sueur-Rice-
Goodhue-Watonwan-Blue Earth-Waseca-Steele-Martin-Faribault-
Including the cities of Center City, Monticello, Minneapolis,
Blaine, St Paul, Stillwater, Olivia, Hutchinson, Gaylord, Chaska,
Shakopee, Hastings, Redwood Falls, New Ulm, St Peter, Le Sueur,
Faribault, Red Wing, St James, Mankato, Waseca, Owatonna,
Fairmont, and Blue Earth
330 PM CST Tue Feb 21 2017

...WINTER STORM WATCH IN EFFECT FROM THURSDAY EVENING THROUGH
FRIDAY AFTERNOON...

The National Weather Service in Twin Cities/Chanhassen has issued
a Winter Storm Watch, which is in effect from Thursday evening
through Friday afternoon.

* TIMING...Rain will turn to snow Thursday evening and continue
  through Friday.

* SNOW ACCUMULATIONS...6 to 12 inches are likely, with amounts of
  over a foot possible.

* WINDS...Northeast to northwest 20 to 30 mph with gusts to 40 mph
  resulting in considerable blowing snow and possible blizzard
  conditions.

PRECAUTIONARY/PREPAREDNESS ACTIONS...

A Winter Storm Watch means there is a potential for significant
snow...sleet...or ice accumulations that may impact travel.
Continue to monitor the latest forecasts.
Title: Re: Winter '16-'17
Post by: ValentineWeather on February 22, 2017, 07:05:35 AM
This is my 3rd winter Valentine Ne. and upcoming storm has highest potential snowfall I've seen forecast. 12-18" on forecast this morning. Might need the snowblower to get out of driveway if it holds true.
Title: Re: Winter '16-'17
Post by: Jstx on February 22, 2017, 09:51:35 AM
Craazzee WX in South Texas.
And now we're having beeyooteeful 80-90's temps w/clear dry WX for the next week (and past two days). 8-)

The NOAA WFO at EWX (Austin/San Antonio, they're in New Braunfels, TX) just issued a prelim report.
They usually follow up with a detailed one with pics, etc, imagine their investigative team(s) have been busy. 9 tornadoes listed so far.
It makes interesting reading, after watching some of the TV coverage showing extensive destruction.

Sunday night, Monday morning it was a huge MCS-400+ mile long front that blew in from the west.
It spawned a bunch of tornadoes and straight-line winds that caused tremendous damage in many places.
I got lucky/dodged a bullet.

The data below (from the prelim report links and MesoNet) show that NOAA does look at our data feeds, highlighted mine below.
Unfortunately, my comm'l power went out about 10 minutes after the leading edge of the storm. My UPS held the WX computer and uploads going for ~10 minutes longer, but then it too went dark (am I glad I've got a bunch of neat LED lamps w/batt backup).

My last wind gust reading was used in the report (27mph at 11:01PM). there were much stronger winds recorded by my LaCrosse WS-2813 display console, but they weren't uploaded (until much later) due to computer going down:

http://www.weather.gov/ewx/20170219severe (http://www.weather.gov/ewx/20170219severe)
February 19-20, 2017 Severe Weather Event
Weather.gov > Austin/San Antonio, TX > February 19-20, 2017 Severe Weather Event

http://mesonet.agron.iastate.edu/wx/afos/p.php?pil=PNSEWX&e=201702202003 (http://mesonet.agron.iastate.edu/wx/afos/p.php?pil=PNSEWX&e=201702202003)
...
...Wilson County...
4 NW Floresville             27 MPH    1101 PM 02/19   29.20N/98.20W
       
5 ENE Calaveras Lake         26 MPH    1059 PM 02/19   29.32N/98.23W       
1 NNW Floresville            23 MPH    1129 PM 02/19   29.15N/98.16W       
Observations are collected from a variety of sources with varying
equipment and exposures. Not all data listed are considered official.
$$
NWS Austin/San Antonio TX
IRIS System

http://mesowest.utah.edu/cgi-bin/droman/meso_base_dyn.cgi?product=&past=1&stn=E7881&unit=0&time=LOCAL&day1=20&month1=02&year1=2017&hour1=12 (http://mesowest.utah.edu/cgi-bin/droman/meso_base_dyn.cgi?product=&past=1&stn=E7881&unit=0&time=LOCAL&day1=20&month1=02&year1=2017&hour1=12)

7:41 62.0 59.0 60.2 90 3.0 4.0 W 29.50 29.98 1.02 0.00 OK
7:36 61.0 58.0 59.2 90 1.0 4.0 WNW 29.50 29.98 1.02 0.00 OK
23:01 70.0 63.2 65.5 79 11.0 27.0 W 29.49 29.97 0.25 0.25 OK
22:56 72.0 64.4 66.9 77 23.0 27.0 W 29.48 29.96 0.05 0.05 OK
22:51 72.0 66.9 68.5 84 6.0 10.0 WNW 29.43 29.91 0.02 0.02 OK
22:46 72.0 66.9 68.5 84 1.0 4.0 SE 29.41 29.89 0.00 0.00 OK
22:41 72.0 66.9 68.5 84 3.0 6.0 SE 29.41 29.89 0.00 0.00 OK
Title: Re: Winter '16-'17
Post by: chief-david on February 22, 2017, 09:54:02 AM
My website yesterday.    Oxymoron weather?
Title: Re: Winter '16-'17
Post by: Jáchym on February 22, 2017, 10:21:57 AM
My website yesterday.    Oxymoron weather?

Winter storm watch :D Nice... maybe watch it on TV somewhere hundreds of miles away :D
Title: Re: Winter '16-'17
Post by: chief-david on February 22, 2017, 10:32:16 AM
I wish. But. It may give us the best chance for a snow day in the last 12 years.  We do not cancel school much for snow. Too many plows and we are in town.

no one is sure of the timing.
Title: Re: Winter '16-'17
Post by: Scalphunter on February 22, 2017, 03:34:23 PM
no reason for any snow days.  Never had them when I was an kid you went to school regards what the weather  was.

Title: Re: Winter '16-'17
Post by: ValentineWeather on February 22, 2017, 04:16:19 PM
Gets more interesting closer storm gets with latest model run saying 18-24" just west of town. Valentine 12-18" with 14" most likely.
Title: Re: Winter '16-'17
Post by: ValentineWeather on February 23, 2017, 10:26:44 AM
Weather Nation will be featuring snow gauge time-lapse sometime today. Not sure when they do it so DVR is going.
We seem to be in bulleye for most snow.

http://www.valentinenebraska.net/jwwest.php
Title: Re: Winter '16-'17
Post by: Jáchym on February 23, 2017, 10:51:58 AM
Feels like spring here last 2 days... :(

Snow is completely gone and daily max above 10C (50F). This however is typical for my location and it usually gets colder again in March
Title: Re: Winter '16-'17
Post by: chief-david on February 23, 2017, 11:13:09 AM
I have gone from a 90% chance of snow day to 10% The system may be tracking SE. Which is normal.
So-12 inches to 5 inches. Wind may still be a factor
Title: Re: Winter '16-'17
Post by: Jstx on February 23, 2017, 11:44:16 AM
Feels like spring here last 2 days... :(

Snow is completely gone and daily max above 10C (50F). This however is typical for my location and it usually gets colder again in March

Feels like the middle of August-September down here. A whole lot of records are being set every day all over South Texas. This is not anywhere near normal WX, even for here.  8-)
No chance in Hell of any snow.
Actually, I'd imagine many of our visiting "snowbirds" are going to croak from the intense heat.  :twisted:
I'm enjoying the fool out of it, but the A/C runs like crazy.
If this pattern holds the rest of the year WASF.
The Arctic and Antarctic are well on the way to being ice-free, as predicted by Clair Patterson 38 years ago (in a peer-reviewed paper).

http://www.weather.gov/bro/ (http://www.weather.gov/bro/)
http://www.weather.gov/crp/ (http://www.weather.gov/crp/)
http://www.weather.gov/ewx/ (http://www.weather.gov/ewx/)

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Title: Re: Winter '16-'17
Post by: Jstx on February 23, 2017, 02:25:24 PM
Winter time and the livin' is easy...

Just busted past 86°F, 90+ something by 5PM without a doubt. Guessing max might be 94°F.
Laredo is progged to hit 103°F at least. WTF?
All this cold and snow is killin' us...oh wait...

Current Conditions Station reported 1 minute ago
86.2 °F 
Feels Like 86.2 °F
2.0
mph
 Wind from ESE 
Gusts 4.0 mph   
Dew Point:
54 °F 
Humidity:
36% 
Precip Rate:
0 in/hr 
Precip Accum:
 0.00 in   
Pressure:
29.63 in 
UV:
8
 7:04 AM 
 6:28 PM 
Waning Crescent | 9% Illuminated
Title: Re: Winter '16-'17
Post by: chief-david on February 23, 2017, 02:49:48 PM
(http://www.weather.gov/images/mpx/WxStory/FileL.png)

ugh this is big.

This started out as a 12 inch snow for us. The track moved SE (typical). Now down to 3.
Time to warm up the shovel
Title: Re: Winter '16-'17
Post by: WeatherHost on February 23, 2017, 03:22:43 PM
Peach trees leafing out, as are the privet hedges.  Apricot, Cleveland Pears and Redbuds are all ready to bloom.  I've even seen Dandelions already.

Title: Re: Winter '16-'17
Post by: CW2274 on February 23, 2017, 04:21:20 PM
Laredo is progged to hit 103°F at least. WTF?
You gotta be kidding me?? That's unequivocally NUTS! :shock:
Title: Re: Winter '16-'17
Post by: Scalphunter on February 23, 2017, 06:02:28 PM
Sow for the week end here.  3 different waves to come thru. First here last night and dumped 5 inches, next wave Friday night and they say about 6 inches for my zone, and next after it  comes in Sunday with about foot of snow. Depending on what zone one is in could  get  upward of 2 foot of white stuff which is  an lots for this artic desert at one shot.


John
Title: Re: Winter '16-'17
Post by: gwwilk on February 24, 2017, 08:30:38 AM
Well, Randy, it looks like Valentine took top honors yesterday for precipitation amount.

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From what I can see on your webcams it looks like you've got some digging out to do!

(BTW, you need to upgrade your HAniS radar script (http://www.wxforum.net/index.php?topic=27077.msg315480#msg315480).  The NWS 'https'-only access changes made it necessary to update the script in order to make it functional again.)
Title: Re: Winter '16-'17
Post by: ValentineWeather on February 24, 2017, 08:46:41 AM
Something happened to the airport ASOS. It started putting out huge hourly precip. and lost the snowfall sensor saying mist. I called forecast office last night about it. I think they had already noticed something wasn't right.
 
I had .64 SWE 14" total. 22:1 ratio so it was a real dry snow.  Airport this morning is reporting 12.2" snow and .64 SWE. Guess it depends where you measure especially with 33 mph winds we had. Airport is more open for sure.
Yes I have a lot of work ahead just getting out of driveway. 27" deep on south side of garage.
 
Thanks about the script I noticed yesterday it wasn't working.

Noticed they had the my snow gauge webcam on Weather Nation this morning a couple times. Very cool.. 8-)
Title: Re: Winter '16-'17
Post by: gwwilk on February 24, 2017, 08:53:09 AM
Something happened to the airport ASOS. It started putting out huge hourly precip. and lost the snowfall sensor saying mist. I called forecast office last night about it. I think they had already noticed something wasn't right.
 
I had .64 SWE 14" total. 22:1 ratio so it was a real dry snow.  Airport this morning is reporting 12.2" snow and .64 SWE. Guess it depends where you measure especially with 33 mph winds we had. Airport is more open for sure.
It looks like the NWS used your SWE! :-)
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Yes I have a lot of work ahead just getting out of driveway. 27" deep on south side of garage.
I don't envy you that. :-(
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Thanks about the script I noticed yesterday it wasn't working.
No problem.
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Noticed they had the my snow gauge webcam on Weather Nation this morning a couple times. Very cool.. 8-)
8-) =D&gt; 8-)
Title: Re: Winter '16-'17
Post by: Jstx on February 24, 2017, 02:55:26 PM
Laredo is progged to hit 103°F at least. WTF?
You gotta be kidding me?? That's unequivocally NUTS! :shock:

Alas, poor Laredo (LRD) only reached 100°F yesterday, McAllen (MFE) in the Lower Valley beat it with a 101°F reading.
The whole area was about 2°F cooler (IMO) than the forecasts, there was a slight wind shift and the wind was just a little more N than W.
In these patterns a W/SW wind brings air down off the mountains to the West. That results in a drying out, and compressional heating, which can be like a blast furnace similar to Cali's Santa Ana winds, and I've been there for them too.
 
Today is very similar, except a medium front started moving through early, so the highs are going to be somewhat lower, only mid-upper 80's most places.
I'm now only at 83°F, humidity 17% and falling, with 8-15mph NW winds building (nearby stations all 85-6°F and windy N/NW). Only hit 89.6°F here yesterday, couldn't bust 90°F  :-(. Haven't seen a cloud since Monday morning.

Red Flag brushfire warnings everywhere. There are some wildfires already going, could get very serious quickly as there is a lot of very dry veggie fuel. Things have greened right up with recent rains, but a lot of dead veggie is just waiting.

Y'all worrying about shoveling snow :shock: BFD, that dang frozen precip stuff can't burn your property to the ground. I've been up close to a lot of wildfires (and sugar cane burns, well blowouts), windblown flames 100' high+ are scary stuff.

Next couple of days will be cooler, high tomorrow only 68°F , then back to the mid 80's to Tuesday.


These data are preliminary and have not undergone final quality control by the National Climatic Data Center (NCDC). Therefore, these data are subject to revision. Final and certified climate data can be accessed at the NCDC - http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov.
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ASUS64 KLUB 240040
RTPTX
TEXAS TEMPERATURE AND PRECIPITATION TABLE
NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE LUBBOCK TX
640 PM CST THU FEB 23 2017

DATA THROUGH 6PM CST
HIGHEST LAST 18 HOURS. LOWEST LAST 18 HOURS...12AM TO 6PM CST
PRECIP LAST 24 HOURS...ENDING AT 6 PM CST

.BR LUB 0223 C DH18/TAIRZS/TAIRZI/PPDRZZ
:
:ID   LOCATION                 HIGH  LOW    PCPN
:                                           24HR
:
:...NORTH TEXAS...
ABI  :Abilene ASOS          :   89 / 57 /   0.00
GKY  :Arlington             :   86 / 56 /   0.00
CRS  :Corsicana             :   86 / 55 /   0.00
DAL  :Dallas Love Field     :   88 / 54 /   0.00
DFW  :DFW Airport           :   88 / 55 /   0.00
DTO  :Denton                :   89 / 50 /   0.00
AFW  :Fort Worth Alliance   :   91 / 54 /   0.00
FTW  :Fort Worth Meacham    :   91 / 54 /   0.00
GGG  :Longview              :   84 / 53 /   0.00
LFK  :Lufkin                :   81 / 49 /   0.00
TKI  :McKinney              :   86 / 50 /   0.00
MWL  :Mineral Wells         :   94 / 46 /   0.00
PRX  :Paris                 :   84 / 54 /   0.00
TPL  :Temple                :   86 / 49 /   0.00
TRL  :Terrell               :   85 / 56 /   0.00
TYR  :Tyler                 :   85 / 56 /   0.00
ACT  :Waco                  :   84 / 50 /   0.00
SPS  :Wichita Falls         :   92 / 46 /   0.00
:...WEST TEXAS...
AMA  :Amarillo              :   78 / 42 /   0.00
HHF  :Canadian Airport      :   83 / 45 /   0.00
CDS  :Childress             :   87 / 49 /   0.00
DHT  :Dalhart               :   74 / 34 /   0.00
6R6  :Dryden                :   87 / 51 /   0.00
ELP  :El Paso               :   73 / 54 /   0.00
FST  :Fort Stockton         :   89 / 52 /   0.00
GDP  :Guadalupe Pass        :   69 / 53 /   0.00
LBB  :Lubbock               :   81 / 46 /   0.00
MRF  :Marfa                 :   79 / 31 /   0.00
MAF  :Midland               :   86 / 50 /   0.00
MUST2:Muleshoe              :   76 / 37 /   0.00
ODO  :Odessa                :   85 / 51 /   0.00
PEQ  :Pecos                 :   86 / 41 /   0.00
PRS  :Presidio              :   89 / 53 /   0.00
SJT  :San Angelo ASOS       :   92 / 45 /   0.00
INK  :Wink                  :   85 / 41 /   0.00
:...SOUTH TEXAS...
ALI  :Alice                 :   98 / 45 /   0.00

ATT  :Austin Mabry          :   90 / 55 /   0.00
AUS  :Austin Bergstrom      :   90 / 45 /   0.00
BPT  :Beaumont              :   79 / 56 /   0.00
BRO  :Brownsville           :   92 / 57 /   0.00
BMQ  :Burnet                :   89 / 50 /   0.00
CLL  :College Station       :   85 / 55 /   0.00
CXO  :Conroe                :   84 / 45 /   0.00
CRP  :Corpus Christi        :   87 / 58 /   0.00
NGP  :Navy Corpus           :   80 / 66 /   0.00
COT  :Cotulla               :  100 / 55 /   0.00

DRT  :Del Rio               :   93 / 50 /   0.00
GLS  :Galveston             :   75 / 63 /   0.00
HRL  :Harlingen             :   96 / 52 /   0.00
HDO  :Hondo                 :   93 / 45 /   0.00
HOU  :Houston Hobby         :   80 / 54 /   0.00
IAH  :Houston Bush          :   83 / 50 /   0.00
UTS  :Huntsville            :   84 / 58 /   0.00
JCT  :Junction ASOS         :   91 / 40 /   0.00
NQI  :Kingsville            :   98 / 49 /   0.00
LRD  :Laredo                :  100 / 62 /   0.00
MFE  :McAllen               :  101 / 54 /   0.00

BAZ  :New Braunfels         :   92 / 49 /   0.00
PSX  :Palacios              :   78 / 52 /   0.00
LVJ  :Pearland              :   81 / 55 /   0.00
RKP  :Rockport              :   81 / 65 /   0.00
SAT  :San Antonio           :   89 / 49 /   0.00
SSF  :San Antonio Stinson   :   93 / 49 /   0.00
DWH  :Tomball               :   85 / 51 /   0.00
VCT  :Victoria              :   85 / 53 /   0.00
:...OTHERS...
SHV  :Shreveport            :   83 / 53 /   0.00
TXK  :Texarkana             :   81 / 55 /   0.00
.END

TEXAS TEMPERATURE EXTREMES:
Highest...101 degrees at McAllen.

Lowest....31 degres at Marfa.



Title: Re: Winter '16-'17
Post by: WeatherHost on February 24, 2017, 03:09:00 PM
Saw a mention of 107 at Falcon Dam, but still awaiting verification.

Title: Re: Winter '16-'17
Post by: Scalphunter on February 24, 2017, 03:35:17 PM
That snow fall called fire insurance. The longer it on the ground makes for an shorter fire season.  May  thru September. Lately it been  starting too early  in April.

John
Title: Re: Winter '16-'17
Post by: Jstx on February 24, 2017, 03:55:50 PM
Saw a mention of 107 at Falcon Dam, but still awaiting verification.

You're right, it did reach 107°F at Falcon Dam, link and excerpt below (appropriately designated "FART2"  :-P ).
Desig reads like a buoy, maybe that's what it is (I use "PTAT2" in Port Aransas all the time).

Either the Lubbock office that does the daily extremes report missed it, or FART2 isn't an official site (the popup (link below) shows it as a "RAWS" site?). There are a couple of nearby CWOP and other sites too.

It's 96°F down there at Falcon right now, front just getting close.
I actually used to work there once in a while, wait until August-Sept for the real heat  8-) .
Worked up the road in Zapata (KAPY) too; hot, dusty country.
And a lot more dangerous now, although 'en La Frontera', smuggling of one thing or another in either direction has always just been the norm. Part of everyday life for some (like pilots), as long as I can remember, hombres..
http://forecast.weather.gov/obslocal.php?warnzone=TXZ248&local_place=Zapata County Airport TX&zoneid=CST&offset=21600 (http://forecast.weather.gov/obslocal.php?warnzone=TXZ248&local_place=Zapata County Airport TX&zoneid=CST&offset=21600)

Falcon Dam (FART2):
http://www.wrh.noaa.gov/map/?&zoom=9&scroll_zoom=true&center=26.5000,-98.20000&basemap=ESRI%20Imagery&boundaries=false,true,false&hazard=true&hazard_type=severe&hazard_opacity=60&obs=true&obs_type=tempcur&obs_popup=false&obs_density=2 (http://www.wrh.noaa.gov/map/?&zoom=9&scroll_zoom=true&center=26.5000,-98.20000&basemap=ESRI%20Imagery&boundaries=false,true,false&hazard=true&hazard_type=severe&hazard_opacity=60&obs=true&obs_type=tempcur&obs_popup=false&obs_density=2)

23 Feb 7:11 pm   84   50   31   ESE   8G16        32   0   4   --   0.61            
23 Feb 6:11 pm   90   53   28   ESE   10G18        32   0   69   33%   0.61            23 Feb 5:11 pm   101   37   11   SE   10G20        32   0   357   70%   0.61            
23 Feb 4:11 pm   106   30   7   S   7G15        32   0   549   72%   0.61            
23 Feb 3:11 pm   107   31   7   S   8G17        32   0   690   72%   0.61            
23 Feb 2:11 pm   105   33   8   SSW   8G16        32   0   777   72%   0.61            
23 Feb 1:11 pm   102   36   10   S   10G19        32   0   797   71%   0.61
            
23 Feb 12:11 pm   98   46   17   S   9G16        32   0   736   68%   0.61            
23 Feb 11:11 am   89   47   23   S   8G15        32   0   635   67%   0.61
Title: Re: Winter '16-'17
Post by: Scalphunter on February 24, 2017, 06:25:02 PM
Heat wave here today 33 deg F.  Got 2  inches of snow over night  with more to come late tonight and tomorrow. Mostly in the Fairbanks area and north following the drainages namely the Yukon.  Our zone seem to be  just out of the range of most major systems working thru.  Snow total for the season stands at 41 inches. Only 20 inches of it is on the ground.



John
Title: Re: Winter '16-'17
Post by: Jáchym on February 24, 2017, 08:08:00 PM
Very windy here today, second strongest wind gust since I began measuring. Only 1.5 km/h less than the absolute record for my station.

And!

It is colder here than in Alaska :D :D :D Not to mention feels like ;)
Title: Re: Winter '16-'17
Post by: chief-david on February 24, 2017, 10:45:11 PM
Stories like this all over the state. The difference between no snow and 15 inches of snow is 30 miles.

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C5cWzGdUoAAZZpm.jpg)
Title: Re: Winter '16-'17
Post by: chief-david on February 25, 2017, 09:10:59 AM
This is the apology from the NWS in Minneapolis

Quote
Dear Minnesota and Wisconsin Residents,

 

We would like to take a couple minutes to address the latest winter storm to affect our area, and also provide our thoughts on the changes to the forecast the past couple days.

 

For over a week, the weather models we depend on have been forecasting a significant winter storm across a large portion of the Upper Midwest, including most of central/southern MN and western WI. Nearly all the weather models we use showed a 10 to 20 inch area of snow across the southern half of Minnesota and in western Wisconsin at one time or another. The precise location of this snow band was not certain, but our recognition of the incoming weather pattern and the weather models all pointed to a significant snowfall event for today. Even as late as Wednesday-Thursday, there were still weather models showing the heaviest snow band farther north with heavy snow impacting the Twin Cities metro area.

 

Our forecasts on Monday, Tuesday and Wednesday depicted a middle-of-the-road solution in terms of location. By Thursday, it was apparent that the vast majority of the heavy snow would impact northern Iowa, far southern Minnesota and western Wisconsin. By Thursday, we used radar, satellite and weather models with higher detail to see how the snow bands were taking shape, and ultimately where the storm was tracking. In the end, the heavy snow continues to fall 50-100 miles to the southeast of where earlier forecasts were calling for heavy snow. There is also a remarkably small transition zone from heavy snow to absolutely zero snowfall. These are quite difficult to pin down even hours before the snow begins.

 

We understand your frustration with the changing forecasts as this system evolved. We realize many people made or changed plans based on our forecasts. We sympathize with those of you out there who are disappointed with the initial forecasts that didn’t work out. We promise to evaluate our messaging and forecasts this week, and continually work to provide you with the best information we possibly can. Our thoughts are also with the folks of southern MN and western WI, who continue to see heavy snow today and are trying to dig out from the 8-14” of snow that are already on the ground. We would like to thank our local and national media that helped get the winter storm message out. We would like to thank all of the many local, state and federal partners we have worked with this week and continue to work with today. These are the folks making the tough decisions based on the forecasts -- and who are always striving to keep the people of Minnesota and Wisconsin safe.

 

Thank you to everyone else for your continued support and for following us. Good luck to those dealing with the storm today. We remain committed to providing the most accurate information we can for the rest of the winter and as we head into flooding/severe weather season this spring.

 

Sincerely,

The Forecast Team

National Weather Service Twin Cities
Title: Re: Winter '16-'17
Post by: ValentineWeather on February 25, 2017, 11:19:43 AM
This is the apology from the NWS in Minneapolis

Quote
Dear Minnesota and Wisconsin Residents,

 

We would like to take a couple minutes to address the latest winter storm to affect our area, and also provide our thoughts on the changes to the forecast the past couple days.

 

For over a week, the weather models we depend on have been forecasting a significant winter storm across a large portion of the Upper Midwest, including most of central/southern MN and western WI. Nearly all the weather models we use showed a 10 to 20 inch area of snow across the southern half of Minnesota and in western Wisconsin at one time or another. The precise location of this snow band was not certain, but our recognition of the incoming weather pattern and the weather models all pointed to a significant snowfall event for today. Even as late as Wednesday-Thursday, there were still weather models showing the heaviest snow band farther north with heavy snow impacting the Twin Cities metro area.

 

Our forecasts on Monday, Tuesday and Wednesday depicted a middle-of-the-road solution in terms of location. By Thursday, it was apparent that the vast majority of the heavy snow would impact northern Iowa, far southern Minnesota and western Wisconsin. By Thursday, we used radar, satellite and weather models with higher detail to see how the snow bands were taking shape, and ultimately where the storm was tracking. In the end, the heavy snow continues to fall 50-100 miles to the southeast of where earlier forecasts were calling for heavy snow. There is also a remarkably small transition zone from heavy snow to absolutely zero snowfall. These are quite difficult to pin down even hours before the snow begins.

 

We understand your frustration with the changing forecasts as this system evolved. We realize many people made or changed plans based on our forecasts. We sympathize with those of you out there who are disappointed with the initial forecasts that didn’t work out. We promise to evaluate our messaging and forecasts this week, and continually work to provide you with the best information we possibly can. Our thoughts are also with the folks of southern MN and western WI, who continue to see heavy snow today and are trying to dig out from the 8-14” of snow that are already on the ground. We would like to thank our local and national media that helped get the winter storm message out. We would like to thank all of the many local, state and federal partners we have worked with this week and continue to work with today. These are the folks making the tough decisions based on the forecasts -- and who are always striving to keep the people of Minnesota and Wisconsin safe.

 

Thank you to everyone else for your continued support and for following us. Good luck to those dealing with the storm today. We remain committed to providing the most accurate information we can for the rest of the winter and as we head into flooding/severe weather season this spring.

 

Sincerely,

The Forecast Team

National Weather Service Twin Cities

That was nice of them to explain. I've seen models miss bad here also. North Platte issued a Blizzard Warning across southern 1/3 Nebraska 3 years ago and some of the area got only trace amounts, the storm just flat didn't materialize anywhere in the state. 

Now this storm NP NWS office was dead on for my area we had 26 hours of snow. The ECWFM was first model to see closed low developing with heaviest snow bands across Nebraska/SD border while the GFS was slower to agree and had a more open low which I'm sure was confusing many forecast offices.
Title: Re: Winter '16-'17
Post by: ValentineWeather on February 25, 2017, 01:04:59 PM
It was -3F  this morning in Valentine Ne. Winters last hurrah..Maybe
Title: Re: Winter '16-'17
Post by: WeatherHost on February 25, 2017, 08:43:26 PM
Cranking the wood stove up again for the night.

Haven't needed it for the last couple of weeks.
Title: Re: Winter '16-'17
Post by: Jáchym on February 26, 2017, 11:56:10 AM
Wow!

Im amazed that they apologized like this... if we were to do the same here I guess we would have to employ extra stuff, whose job description would be "apologizer" :D :D :D

To a certain extent this is due to the general fact that predicting weather in Europe is much more difficult than in the U.S. We are a smaller and much more diverse continent in terms of terrain, shoreline, wind patterns, streams etc. The maximum you can predict is about 10 days, anything beyond that is 99% of cases just based on statistics, not a real forecast.


And just one funny story, which is actually real :D Sometimes the forecast is quite off from the reality and people complain. At our institute, we have several departments. Im in the "meteorology and climatology", then there is hydrology, air quality etc. And then there is a separate deparment "forecast service" - they are the ones who issue warnings, create forecasts, communicate with the media. However, people usually don´t notice there is this department. They go to our website, see "meteorology", they click contacts and contact the first person they see on the list. That list is sorted alphabetically. My last name begins with a B, so you can probably deduce who always gets these calls from angry people and has to stay calm and try to explain we do our best :D And of course I cannot say "it wasnt me, it was XYZ" - Im sure my colleagues upstairs would love me if every hour they got a call "hi, Jachym B. told me to call you because...."
Title: Re: Winter '16-'17
Post by: Scalphunter on February 26, 2017, 01:49:52 PM
Was up to 33 yesterday which made it nice to remove snow away from the cabin. Cleared out my work/parking area. The big snow over night passed to the north. Got about an inch rather then the 4 to 7 inches they forecasted. Fairbanks got dumped on and to the north of the city also. Starting Tuesday it back to 30 below nothing for the rest of the week. Who said spring was conming.
Title: Re: Winter '16-'17
Post by: Jstx on February 26, 2017, 04:40:10 PM
Was up to 33 yesterday which made it nice to remove snow away from the cabin. Cleared out my work/parking area. The big snow over night passed to the north. Got about an inch rather then the 4 to 7 inches they forecasted. Fairbanks got dumped on and to the north of the city also. Starting Tuesday it back to 30 below nothing for the rest of the week. Who said spring was conming.

Me, but more like summer, not spring, spring's soooo over. Next six days-- highest ~89, lowest ~48, a big cooldown from the last week  :shock:.:

Detailed Forecast

This Afternoon
Scattered showers. Mostly cloudy, with a high near 77. South southeast wind around 14 mph. Chance of precipitation is 30%.
Tonight
A 20 percent chance of showers. Patchy fog after midnight. Otherwise, mostly cloudy, with a low around 63. South southeast wind 7 to 15 mph, with gusts as high as 18 mph.
Monday
Patchy fog before 8am. Otherwise, partly sunny, with a high near 87. South wind 6 to 10 mph.
Monday Night
Partly cloudy, with a low around 65. South southeast wind around 11 mph.
Tuesday
A 20 percent chance of showers and thunderstorms. Partly sunny, with a high near 89. South wind 10 to 17 mph, with gusts as high as 21 mph.
Tuesday Night
Partly cloudy, with a low around 66. South southeast wind 8 to 15 mph, with gusts as high as 18 mph.
Wednesday
A 30 percent chance of showers and thunderstorms. Mostly sunny, with a high near 82. South southwest wind 8 to 16 mph becoming north in the afternoon. Winds could gust as high as 21 mph.
Wednesday Night
Partly cloudy, with a low around 50. North northeast wind 13 to 16 mph, with gusts as high as 21 mph.
Thursday
Mostly sunny, with a high near 68. Northeast wind 11 to 15 mph, with gusts as high as 20 mph.
Thursday Night
Mostly cloudy, with a low around 48.
Friday
A 20 percent chance of showers. Mostly cloudy, with a high near 67.
Friday Night
A 30 percent chance of showers. Cloudy, with a low around 52.
Saturday
A 40 percent chance of showers and thunderstorms. Cloudy, with a high near 70.
Title: Re: Winter '16-'17
Post by: Scalphunter on February 27, 2017, 02:30:17 PM
000
WWAK83 PAFG 270428
SPSAFG

Special Weather Statement
National Weather Service Fairbanks AK
728 PM AKST Sun Feb 26 2017

AKZ222-280300-
Middle Tanana Valley-
Including Fairbanks, Fort Wainwright, Eielson AFB, Ester,
North Pole, Moose Creek, Two Rivers, Fox, Chatanika,
Chena Hot Springs, and Sourdough Camp
728 PM AKST Sun Feb 26 2017

...FAIRBANKS SNOWLOAD...

Snowload measured by the National Weather Service near the
Fairbanks International Airport is currently 25 pounds per
square foot.

$$

Title: Re: Winter '16-'17
Post by: chief-david on February 28, 2017, 02:42:55 PM
45 today. 50 next weekend. 
Still not ready to call it spring.
Title: Re: Winter '16-'17
Post by: ValentineWeather on February 28, 2017, 04:27:09 PM
Cloudy high 38° on last day of winter, down to few inches snow. Next week big warm-up 60's in extended.
Title: Re: Winter '16-'17
Post by: Jáchym on February 28, 2017, 06:45:10 PM
My favorite season is now officially over here.
December was rather warm, January exceptionally cold and February average. With regards to precipitation it was below average, but because it was very cold in January the snow didnt melt immediately and there was snow on ground for much longer than in the previous few winters.
Title: Re: Winter '16-'17
Post by: PaulMy on February 28, 2017, 10:24:49 PM
The calendar says it is still winter but the conditions tell another story.  8 of the last 10 days temperature was in the teens Celsius with a high of 18.9°C, and this evening our second thunderstorm.
Alerts for: London - Middlesex Statements 9:01 PM EST Tuesday 28 February 2017
 Special weather statement in effect for:
  Rainfall amounts of 15 to 25 mm likely tonight.

Showers and thunderstorms will move across Southwestern Ontario from the US Midwest tonight. Most areas will receive 15 to 25 mm of rain, with locally higher rainfall amounts possible over locales that receive a thunderstorm or two.

Thunderstorms are not expected to be severe. However some will contain heavy downpours and frequent lightning. Small hail and gusty winds are also possible.

In the wake of tonight's showers and thunderstorms Some additional rainfall is also possible on Wednesday.


Paul
Title: Re: Winter '16-'17
Post by: chief-david on February 28, 2017, 10:38:26 PM
At least one person was killed when a tornado spawned by a late-winter storm system swept through the central Illinois city of Ottawa.​
Title: Re: Winter '16-'17
Post by: PaulMy on February 28, 2017, 10:58:44 PM
WXSpots observer reports:
Tornado Report: SAR efforts ongoing. Currently 3 confirmed fatalities
Perry County, MO

Earlier observer report:
Tornado Report: Naplate/Ottowa MABAS 25 - ALL available fire units respond

Looks like we're in for another period of thunderstorm here as that system moves our way.

Paul.
Title: Re: Winter '16-'17
Post by: Scalphunter on February 28, 2017, 11:04:08 PM
was an clear cold day today  and tonight promises of an real cool down  with an loudless sky. at -9 and heading towards  -20 plus.  by Thursday we will be  at night  in the -30's.


John
Title: Re: Winter '16-'17
Post by: WeatherHost on March 01, 2017, 05:01:16 AM
WXSpots observer reports:
Tornado Report: SAR efforts ongoing. Currently 3 confirmed fatalities
Perry County, MO

New TOR Warning for Perry County, MO

Perry MO-

357 AM CST WED MAR 1 2017



...A TORNADO WARNING REMAINS IN EFFECT UNTIL 415 AM CST FOR

SOUTHEASTERN PERRY COUNTY...

   

At 357 AM CST, a severe thunderstorm capable of producing a tornado

was located near Biehle, or near Perryville, moving east at 65 mph.

It was crossing Interstate 55 at this time.
Title: Re: Winter '16-'17
Post by: Scalphunter on March 01, 2017, 03:18:05 PM
Hit  minus 35  this morning with dew point of  minus 40. looks like this  cold air going to be around for an bit coming  down from  Canadian high artic.  maybe can send it down to valentine seeing how the air mass tends to slide that way  when an omega blocker forms here.  Another  CAVU day here in the interior. Day getting longer and the sun  just about coming up due east. This morning had green and red aurora hanging in the pre dawn sky.


John
Title: Re: Winter '16-'17
Post by: sundevil01010101 on March 01, 2017, 06:25:04 PM
Hit  minus 35  this morning with dew point of  minus 40. looks like this  cold air going to be around for an bit coming  down from  Canadian high artic.  maybe can send it down to valentine seeing how the air mass tends to slide that way  when an omega blocker forms here.  Another  CAVU day here in the interior. Day getting longer and the sun  just about coming up due east. This morning had green and red aurora hanging in the pre dawn sky.


John

I see by your WU stamp it's a balmy 4.1 now...

No wonder so many folks from your part of the country make down my way to retire...

I see a lot more Alaska plates down here than you'd think and the first thing I always wonder is if the car has a/c :)

Also, a place I've always wanted to visit, that's also on the list.
Title: Re: Winter '16-'17
Post by: Jáchym on March 01, 2017, 06:48:57 PM
Depends on your likings Terry, if I lived in California I would make my way down to Alaska to retire :D
Title: Re: Winter '16-'17
Post by: WeatherHost on March 01, 2017, 07:04:34 PM
I see a lot more Alaska plates down here than you'd think and the first thing I always wonder is if the car has a/c :)

Also, a place I've always wanted to visit, that's also on the list.

Remember that a lot of those plates may be from CONUS people that were there for military or because of the pipeline work.

I did the trip there and back as a kid.  Fairbanks, Anchorage, Nome, Kotzebue, Matanuska Glacier, McKinley National Park (as it was named then), Alaska Railroad, etc.  The AlCan Highway was still gravel, but you could run it at 70MPH or better in many places.

Title: Re: Winter '16-'17
Post by: Scalphunter on March 01, 2017, 08:47:12 PM
Quote
I see a lot more Alaska plates down here than you'd think and the first thing I always wonder is if the car has a/c :)

Lot of them do have A/C. I know I do with 24 hour of daylight in the summer day time temps can hit high 80's to low 90's.

John
Title: Re: Winter '16-'17
Post by: cospringswx on March 01, 2017, 09:40:00 PM
Being that Colorado Springs is a big military town with Peterson, Schriever, Ft. Carson, Air Force Academy and NORAD there are alot of Alaskan plates here too.
Title: Re: Winter '16-'17
Post by: ValentineWeather on March 02, 2017, 05:21:38 AM
Depends on your likings Terry, if I lived in California I would make my way down to Alaska to retire :D

I have a daughter in Alaska, its the most beautiful place on earth. She is always posting stunning scenes on Facebook.
Title: Re: Winter '16-'17
Post by: Scalphunter on March 02, 2017, 05:41:16 PM
 another -35 night with high forecasted for -6 today.   Forecast says one more night with temps hitting the range they been the warm up and snow this week end and then Monday another dive  back to the -30 range.

John
Title: Re: Winter '16-'17
Post by: Scalphunter on March 03, 2017, 12:56:38 PM
Hit 36 below nothing this morning. Each night we been getting colder and colder. Was some aurora activity last night as bands of light but most of it was like an fog across the sky. Just bright enough to block out the stars

John
Title: Re: Winter '16-'17
Post by: Scalphunter on March 06, 2017, 02:03:57 PM
Special Weather Statement
Special Weather Statement
National Weather Service Fairbanks AK
519 AM AKST Mon Mar 6 2017

AKZ218>226-062100-
Southeastern Brooks Range-Upper Koyukuk Valley-
Yukon Flats and Surrounding Uplands-Central Interior-
Middle Tanana Valley-Deltana and Tanana Flats-
Upper Tanana Valley and the Fortymile Country-Denali-
Eastern Alaska Range-
Including Arctic Village, Wiseman, Coldfoot, Chandalar DOT Camp,
Iniakuk Lake, Allakaket, Hughes, Bettles, Caribou Mountain,
Gobblers Knob, Fort Yukon, Venetie, Central, Circle,
Stevens Village, Beaver, Chalkyitsik, Birch Creek,
Circle Hot Springs, Eagle Summit, Twelvemile Summit, Nenana,
Anderson, Tanana, Minto, Manley Hot Springs, Rampart,
Lake Minchumina, Livengood, Fairbanks, Fort Wainwright,
Eielson AFB, Ester, North Pole, Moose Creek, Two Rivers, Fox,
Chatanika, Chena Hot Springs, Sourdough Camp, Salcha,
Delta Junction, Fort Greely, Harding/Birch Lake, Dry Creek,
Dot Lake, Healy Lake, Tok, Tanacross, Eagle, Tetlin, Northway,
Alcan, Chicken, Boundary, Healy, Denali National Park,
Carlo Creek, Kantishna, Mentasta Lake, Black Rapids,
Donnelly Dome, Trims DOT Camp, Eagle Trail, and Mineral Lake
519 AM AKST Mon Mar 6 2017

...Very Cold Morning Across Interior Alaska...

Clear skies combined with a cold arctic airmass have caused
temperatures to fall into the 30s below across Interior Alaska
this morning. A few locations have even dropped to 40 below.
Hilltop temperatures across the Interior are in the teens below.

Low temperature readings across the Interior this morning:

Bettles.............40 below.
Goldstream Creek....40 below.
Eielson AFB.........38 below.
Tanana..............38 below.
Fairbanks...........35 below.
Denali Park.........33 below.

Temperatures in valleys are expected to remain very cold through
9am this morning...and then warm to 15 below by noon and reach to
near zero by 3pm today.

$$

JB

Had -32 here at the cabin.

John
Title: Re: Winter '16-'17
Post by: chief-david on March 06, 2017, 02:51:08 PM
Possible tornado warning in Minnesota within the next hour.
Title: Re: Winter '16-'17
Post by: chief-david on March 06, 2017, 04:40:32 PM
Tornado watch until 10:00.

Possible snow and 29 on Friday.

Unconfirmed tornado in Minnesota. If so-it is the earliest tornado recorded.
Trying to find the pic of the grapefruit size hail stone too.
Title: Re: Winter '16-'17
Post by: chief-david on March 08, 2017, 11:34:06 AM
Below is the barometer graph from the last few days.  Brutal winds
Two days of 56 mph wind gusts.  Just brutal winds. Surprised the house has shingles and siding after last night. Had to  strap the grill on the deck.

I know two teachers that had their babies on Monday.  One said the hospital ran out of delivery rooms.


Just cant bring myself to post in the spring threads yet. Still winter here.
Title: Re: Winter '16-'17
Post by: Scalphunter on March 08, 2017, 12:12:45 PM
Some Low temperatures in the eastern Interior this morning:
Northway..............44 below.
Goldstream Creek......42 below.
Bettles...............40 below.
Eielson AFB...........38 below.
Fairbanks.............36 below.
Denali Park...........36 below.
Tanana................36 below.
Nenana................35 below.

Here at the cabin we are at 40 below. Beautiful day ahead. Not an cloud in the sky.

John
Title: Re: Winter '16-'17
Post by: Scalphunter on March 08, 2017, 12:27:01 PM
Last night watching Alaska weather which has weather forecast for public,aviation,and marine forecasts,they show on the aviation portion that the surface freezing line is extending roughly 400 miles south of Alaska. Generally it is at the coastline or an little past it. Ice is very close to the Privilege Islands.
Title: Re: Winter '16-'17
Post by: PaulMy on March 10, 2017, 12:42:47 PM
And we were hoping that winter is done with and spring around the corner...
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Alerts for: London - Middlesex Warnings 11:54 AM EST Friday 10 March 2017
 Snow squall warning in effect for:
 
  • London - Parkhill - Eastern Middlesex County
Snow squalls are expected. Under the snow squall bands, visibilities will be significantly reduced due to the heavy snow combined with blowing snow, and snow will quickly accumulate.

Snow squalls are coming in off of Lake Huron today as expected. Local snowfall amounts of 15 cm are quite possible in the most intense snow squalls this afternoon. Areas not affected by the snow squalls will receive considerably less snow.

Motorists should be prepared for sudden hazardous winter driving conditions. White out conditions are possible during the snow squalls from bursts of heavy snow and blowing snow.

New indications suggest that the snow squalls will drift to the north of Middlesex County this evening, before drifting back south towards the Forest City on Saturday.
Snow squalls cause weather conditions to vary considerably; changes from clear skies to heavy snow within just a few kilometres are common. Visibility will be suddenly reduced to near zero at times in heavy snow and blowing snow. If visibility is reduced while driving, turn on your lights and maintain a safe following distance.

Snow squall warnings are issued when bands of snow form that produce intense accumulating snow or near zero visibilities.

However we might just be on the outside of this.

Paul
Title: Re: Winter '16-'17
Post by: Scalphunter on March 10, 2017, 05:22:09 PM
First night in an long time above the  nothing mark. Low last night was 5 F above  and at 12  deg F now.  Shorts and tee day. Light snow falling as watching  red polls and borel chickadees fight over the bird feeders that XYL  keeps going for them.

John
Title: Re: Winter '16-'17
Post by: EastFrisianGuy on March 10, 2017, 06:37:02 PM
No signs of winter here anymore, the lowest temperature so far this March at my station was +1.3°C (34°F), so it hasn't even been below freezing yet.
In fact crocuses and daffodils are in full bloom here at the moment and also the temperatures for the next days will be around 10°C (50°F) and above in the afternoon and maybe 3-4°C (mid to high 30s F) during the night. This with mostly to partly sunny skies and no rain.
Title: Re: Winter '16-'17
Post by: CNYWeather on March 15, 2017, 04:48:10 PM
We set all kinds of records here in Central NY Yesterday. I ended up with 22.4" in 24 hours. CRAZY
Title: Re: Winter '16-'17
Post by: Scalphunter on March 15, 2017, 04:59:19 PM
Sun finally got high enough to start getting UV readings.  measuring .05 here  today.  With all the snow around  glad it is  an low reading.


John
Title: Re: Winter '16-'17
Post by: WheatonRon on March 15, 2017, 09:09:42 PM
This week, we here in the Chicago area got our first snow since Christmas. Fortunately, we got decent rainfall during this "snow free period" so trees, lawns and our water supply should be fine. Goofy weather this year to say the least!
Title: Re: Winter '16-'17
Post by: Scalphunter on March 16, 2017, 12:35:30 PM
Lovely day in the neighboorhood. Clear and cool.At minus 35 this morning  with temps for high in single digits.

John
Title: Re: Winter '16-'17
Post by: Scalphunter on March 17, 2017, 04:26:57 PM
At 0800 hr this morning  our temperature dipped to -34.8 F.  NWS  says this pool of cold air is going to move out  this week end and seeing how it generally goes east and south   it looks like it going to get shared somewhere  else.
Title: Re: Winter '16-'17
Post by: marko30 on March 18, 2017, 07:49:31 AM
After last rain i noticed red sediment in rain gauge.  Anyone got any idea what it could be? It is not flower pollen or sahara sand.

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Title: Re: Winter '16-'17
Post by: Jáchym on March 18, 2017, 08:44:44 AM
As the Brits say... Bloody hell  :shock:
Title: Re: Winter '16-'17
Post by: Scalphunter on March 18, 2017, 03:40:14 PM
Don't eat the red snow either. It an algie.

John
Title: Re: Winter '16-'17
Post by: Scalphunter on March 18, 2017, 03:44:31 PM
Well spring 3 days away and we are still hitting the  35 below  mark at nights and  single digit temps  for day time highs.  Going to get  the door yard clear of compact ice/snow   so we don't have  an muddy mess as the thaw sets in. Went to delta yesterday and the Tanana river there had some open water but still not starting to break up as that section of river can run fast and  lost of turbulances .

John
Title: Re: Winter '16-'17
Post by: Scalphunter on March 19, 2017, 04:20:35 PM
 Warming up only hit -30 f last night. Another sunny  clear day.  hitting the 12 hour aday mark of daylight.

John
Title: Re: Winter '16-'17
Post by: ValentineWeather on March 19, 2017, 04:33:30 PM
Same here:
Sunrise:   7:47am
Sunset:   7:53pm
Title: Re: Winter '16-'17
Post by: alexstaar on March 19, 2017, 08:27:35 PM
Over the 12 hr of daylight mark by 7 mins in Huntsville, AL:

Sunrise: 6:51am
Sunset: 6:58pm

Nearing the end of dusk now (7:28pm).
Title: Re: Winter '16-'17
Post by: Scalphunter on March 20, 2017, 08:02:54 PM
Hit -25 last night and today it been clouding up. Aurora was active most of the night  with some long displays. After moon rise  it quiet down due to moonlight. Chance of snow in forecast.  looks like about middle of next month we will be starting our blue nights. Yep getting close to that time of year for no darkness. Work at night and siesta time during the heat of the day.

John