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Offline skarabik

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Warioweather - weather station with condition for control
« on: November 05, 2015, 03:44:18 AM »
Hello,
wath do you think about this weather station ?

https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/922624990/warioweather-station

Some information what i found:

Web interface throught their web portal: http://moje.meteo-pocasi.cz/mmnisek-me13/

Warioweather sensors:
outside temperature
Apparent Temperature
Dew point
relative humidity
barometric pressure
wind speed
gusty winds
Wind direction
solar iradiance
heated rain gauge (optional)
2 relay output

Calculated value:
The current date and time
altitude
location location weather station
Moon phase
zodiac
sunrise and sunset with the total length of the day
civil, nautical and astronomical twilight
maximum and minimum values ​​of the measured sensor
the daily value of rains
short-term weather forecast for the next 6 hours
Web term forecast for next 3 days
history graphs
measuring the availability of network elements (PING)
XML and Modbus interface
Email sending
webserver sync
User conditions ( http://www.warioweather.com/product/ )

I wrote them, and they said, that today will be published more information.

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Re: Warioweather - weather station with condition for control
« Reply #1 on: November 05, 2015, 09:14:09 AM »
The modbus interface is an interesting twist, but other than that it is overpriced ($600 US - really???) , poor quality components (looks like Fine Offset-like parts) and lacks wireless.  I will be shocked if they make their KS goal.
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Re: Warioweather - weather station with condition for control
« Reply #2 on: November 05, 2015, 10:06:50 AM »
Hmm I see, wireless is not important for me. I rent a cottage and i need weather information for my customers.  If i understand, this weather station has lan interface and may be connected directly to internet without any additional device.

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Re: Warioweather - weather station with condition for control
« Reply #3 on: November 05, 2015, 10:26:47 AM »
Then as long as you are willing to run cable(s) and drill holes, sure.  But it is still WAY overpriced.  Normally KS projects start low and then increase on market release.  So what are we talking here?  $800  That would be nuts based on what appears to be be a hundred bucks in low quality parts.
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« Reply #4 on: November 05, 2015, 10:28:50 AM »
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Re: Warioweather - weather station with condition for control
« Reply #5 on: November 06, 2015, 04:50:11 AM »
I looked to Vantage Vue + weather link , and price with shipping is 720$, parameters are very similar but price is cheaper (599$) and i receive 1 external thermal sensor. I'm not sure what is better.

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Re: Warioweather - weather station with condition for control
« Reply #6 on: November 06, 2015, 10:53:09 AM »
"I looked to Vantage Vue + weather link , and price with shipping is 720$"

Where?
In US from Scaled Instruments;
      Vantage Vue + weather link = $396 + Shipping!
           VP2        + weather link = $545 + Shipping!

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« Last Edit: November 06, 2015, 10:56:46 AM by George Richardson »

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Re: Warioweather - weather station with condition for control
« Reply #7 on: November 06, 2015, 12:33:36 PM »
Hi,

I found this thread, so I would like to be attributed to a few sentences.

Warioweather weather station maybe look as low cost Chinese station, but inside
is totally different. We use a high quality sensors from Freescale,
Honeywell, MaximIC and Sensirion. The weather station internally has LAN
interface and you don't need buy anything else. All measured data are
stored inside and may be synchronized with cloud or you can directly
read through XML or MODBUS. With modbus you can read current values or min/max.
If you lost internet connection, all data will be
synchronized after re connection. All web pages are written in HTML5 and
works on all devices with web browser(supported HTML5).  The Best solution is that
you can write conditions for control or sending emails. Example: if
windspeed is bigger than 10m/s you can close sun blind. You can connect to
the station two external sensors for temperature or temperature/humidity.
The station can show and save up to 50 sensor(in future can be
changed). We have quality support and all future firmware upgrades for
free. Last thing is w-bus interface for expanders. Further we
are planing expanders with Input/Output interface, snow/water levels,
storm distance etc. But it is future.

If you have any questions, do not be afraid to ask.

Richard
Warioweather team

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Re: Warioweather - weather station with condition for control
« Reply #8 on: November 06, 2015, 12:38:59 PM »
Just FYI...

I have basically the same HW - the WH1080, which I bought for less than 70 dollars. In addition I bought a small router compatible with Meteobridge (20 dollars) and a meteobridge license (I think around 30 dollars).

Total cost: about 120 dollars

And from what I see, this thing is the same, not to mention the fact that Meteobridge gives you much much wider options in terms of where and how you want the data to be processed and sent to various networks, FTPs, MySQLs... and also has a remote access.

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Re: Warioweather - weather station with condition for control
« Reply #9 on: November 06, 2015, 12:40:13 PM »
and with regards to getting emails about conditions etc.... I can make a PHP script compatible with my template, which would do it in a few lines of code

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Re: Warioweather - weather station with condition for control
« Reply #10 on: November 06, 2015, 12:43:28 PM »
"I looked to Vantage Vue + weather link , and price with shipping is 720$"

Where?
In US from Scaled Instruments;
      Vantage Vue + weather link = $396 + Shipping!
           VP2        + weather link = $545 + Shipping!

George

Price is from  this site:

www.vantagegue.com:
Vantage Vue -395$
WeatherLinkIP - 295$
Shipping - 30$

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Re: Warioweather - weather station with condition for control
« Reply #11 on: November 06, 2015, 12:45:58 PM »
So even Davis comes cheaper, despite the fact I think it is also overpriced because it has no competition and in terms of quality and accuracy I dont think it can be compared with this... it is probably just another dream project someone tries to pursue on KS.... But this time I dont even see the added value, it offers nothing new.

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Re: Warioweather - weather station with condition for control
« Reply #12 on: November 06, 2015, 02:13:13 PM »
skarabik

A couple of things: "www.vantagegue.com" gives me a server not found error.

Your original post said "WeatherLink" so I priced WeatherLink USB/Serial ( I'm not a fan of WLIP)

If you needed WLIP, add $92 to "https://www.scaledinstruments.com/discount-price-list/" price I gave you for WL USB/Serial.

Still Substantially cheaper than your numbers. ($232)

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Re: Warioweather - weather station with condition for control
« Reply #13 on: November 06, 2015, 02:26:58 PM »
Why aren't you a fan of WLIP?
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Re: Warioweather - weather station with condition for control
« Reply #14 on: November 06, 2015, 04:00:11 PM »
skarabik

A couple of things: "www.vantagegue.com" gives me a server not found error.

Your original post said "WeatherLink" so I priced WeatherLink USB/Serial ( I'm not a fan of WLIP)

If you needed WLIP, add $92 to "https://www.scaledinstruments.com/discount-price-list/" price I gave you for WL USB/Serial.

Still Substantially cheaper than your numbers. ($232)

bad site.. my mistake ..  http://www.vantagevue.com/

i dont need weather link, i find weather station with own web site (without internet) for local browsing and simple api for sending data to my web pages.

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Re: Warioweather - weather station with condition for control
« Reply #15 on: November 06, 2015, 04:52:22 PM »
The actual technology behind this Kickstarter project sounds interesting (Modbus, etc.) but the housing are garbage.  Had they used Inspeed or other high quality anemometers etc. it might be OK.  Still overpriced, though - IMHO.

Had this been a campaign for a high quality DAvis-like system it would stand a chance.  Otherwise, not.
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Re: Warioweather - weather station with condition for control
« Reply #16 on: November 06, 2015, 08:11:34 PM »
Martlet
"Why aren't you a fan of WLIP?" I think the desire to have your data "on line" combined with the fear of the BoogyMan Internet, allowed Davis, among others, to "offer" "easy connection", for a small fee. The truth is, with the help of almost any weather program, many free, you can easily get your data online. The only thing you need is a WeatherLink Datalogger (USB or Serial) and a old, or new, computer that can run 24/7. That setup, in my opinion, is much more flexible than WLIP.
FWIW
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Re: Warioweather - weather station with condition for control
« Reply #17 on: November 07, 2015, 12:31:11 PM »
Skarabik, Richard:

Hi guys,

I have just noticed that you are actually Czech, I read about your project on zive.cz. (I havent realized that yesterday).

Let me just give you a few tips.

With regards to Kickstarter, there are two absolutely fundamental things that determine whether or not your project will be successful and that is:

- professional and well prepared presentation
- uniqueness of the product

The problem in your case is that I see problems with both. I know it might seem like a minor thing, but sentences such as

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The weather station firmware is available in follow languages: Czech, Slovak, German, and English

already show me what the quality of the English language will be...

It is really these details that sometimes determine whether or not your project will be successful or not - given the number of projects at KS it is details that give the overall impression.

Next problem is that as it was pointed out above, your device seems like nothing unique and that it in fact is just an overpriced version of something that already exists. In particular we mentioned the fact that the parts look like parts from my WH1080, which costs 60 dollars. You gave an answer where you explained that it is just the casing and that the inside is different, with much better sensors.

Well first of all, this is all very nice, but it is absolutely useless if you write this on some forum and not include this in the actual description of your product. Also, in this case I must disagree because if for example your radiation shield looks like the one on the picture - i.e. the one same as I have for my WH1080 - then it is absolutely useless even if the sensor inside is extremely accurate. I had to replace this the next day after I bought this station because the temperature was several degrees above what it should be. The casing also determines the durability of the station, if it is made from this cheap plastic then again, it is of no use to you if the sensor inside is of high quality - it might break easily during severe weather conditions.

Im not saying your product is crap - definitely not, but either you have not described and presented it well or it really offers nothing new and is even more expensive than current equivalents - similar sensors are available already, stations with direct access and data sending to internet are already available (or you can use meteobridge for 30 euros to do this), for your webpage there again are several templates available which show similar things (I happen to develop one myself - meteotemplate.com). So this again is nothing unique and companies such as Davis also have this.

It is possible that I am just missing something, unfortunately this is the impression I get from your project and the details such as language errors dont make it much better... the problem is that this is most likely the impression anyone will get reading your product info. I wish I was wrong and that this project was a success, not just because I am also Czech, but because I am in general in favor of any enthusiastic teams that want to develop something with regards to weather observation. It is a shame, but I really think you have underestimated the presentation and I know and have read about teams that spent months preparing KS presentation in order to have a chance to succeed.,

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« Reply #18 on: November 07, 2015, 12:42:40 PM »
P.S.

And to make things even worse, I just tried to send you an email and the only email address you have in contacts on your page has a typo and the mail cannot be delivered!

Upon further inspection of the actual address I noticed that there is a typo, you have "wariowether" instead of "warioweather" so anyone who tries to contact you cant...

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« Reply #19 on: November 07, 2015, 01:48:26 PM »
Jachym:

   Thanks for warning to typo. We will contact you on your e-mail.