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Title: Wunderground Redesign
Post by: openvista on September 07, 2017, 08:08:37 AM
Looks like they started rolling out yesterday (6 Sep) or the day before.

Oy veh. Looks like the team that did weather.com was set loose on this project (to finally destroy the website and force all traffic into their apps).
Title: Re: Wunderground Redesign
Post by: openvista on September 07, 2017, 08:16:31 AM
It appears they have completely disabled updates. The site will no longer update via AJAX, nor will it auto refresh after 10 minutes. This is going to GREATLY confuse their users who've been trained since the site's inception that it stays fresh if you leave it open. Bye bye Rapid Fire.
Title: Re: Wunderground Redesign
Post by: openvista on September 07, 2017, 08:30:56 AM
Notice anything missing? (In that part between the ads). I checked and this is true of many PWS's currently. The only temp I could produce was the Detroit airport.

Title: Re: Wunderground Redesign
Post by: miraculon on September 07, 2017, 08:44:38 AM
Notice anything missing? (In that part between the ads). I checked and this is true of many PWS's currently. The only temp I could produce was the Detroit airport.

Same here. I can only see our local airport, no PWS on the "forecast" page. When I go directly to my station, that works.

Greg H.
Title: Re: Wunderground Redesign
Post by: Glenn on September 07, 2017, 08:46:02 AM
Both locations are showing forecasts for me. PWS current/recent conditions are loading at the bottom of the page for both sites.
Title: Re: Wunderground Redesign
Post by: Jáchym on September 07, 2017, 09:06:03 AM
Hey guys, you have to look at it from the positive side.

Something at WU actually works!
Title: Re: Wunderground Redesign
Post by: catdon on September 07, 2017, 10:18:46 AM
Awful...hope this is still a work in progress. Every update they do seems to load slower than the previous one. Why are the remainder of the current conditions several  rows below the current temp? among other things.
Title: Re: Wunderground Redesign
Post by: wvdkuil on September 07, 2017, 11:35:30 AM
When I look at a  station page, it seems correct to me. Example:
https://www.wunderground.com/personal-weather-station/dashboard?ID=IVLBRABA2

When I click on the forecast tab on that page, I also get a forecast:
https://www.wunderground.com/weather/be/herent/IVLBRABA2?cm_ven=pwsdash_cityforecast

The links to the "stations website" are OK also.
Same result for another station: IVLAAMSG47

As I use those links in my template, can someone please post an URL to the pages which behave differently?

Wim
Title: Re: Wunderground Redesign
Post by: PaulMy on September 07, 2017, 11:36:17 AM

My IONTARIO226 shows Station reported xxx seconds ago (between 118 and 122) and shows wind graph and temperature at rapidfire, often changing every few seconds.  Looks fine to me.


Enjoy,
Paul
Title: Re: Wunderground Redesign
Post by: PaulMy on September 07, 2017, 11:48:13 AM

My Bloomsky IONTARIO1189 also seems to be fine, but not at rapidfire/realtime and looks like about the 5 min that Bloomsky sends.


Both show forecasts as well (the same).


Enjoy,
Paul
Title: Re: Wunderground Redesign
Post by: openvista on September 07, 2017, 11:57:48 AM
Yes, it appears they have worked out the temperature issue.

But what of the updates? I, too, am seeing conditions 5 minutes old even though I send them data every 60 seconds. And they won't push a conditions update anymore. You have to refresh the page manually.
Title: Re: Wunderground Redesign
Post by: wvdkuil on September 07, 2017, 12:11:36 PM
Yes, it appears they have worked out the temperature issue.

But what of the updates? I, too, am seeing conditions 5 minutes old even though I send them data every 60 seconds. And they won't push a conditions update anymore. You have to refresh the page manually.
As far as I can see, all ajax calls are made every few seconds
https://stationdata.wunderground.com/cgi-bin/stationlookup?station=IVLBRABA2&units=metric&v=2.0&format=json&callback=jQuery17208933391150959173_1504800185152&_=1504800190816

All updates come at regular intervals and are processed and displayed.  Maybe there is an old javascript in the cache, did you try different browsers?
Wim
Title: Re: Wunderground Redesign
Post by: openvista on September 07, 2017, 12:54:44 PM
Maybe there is an old javascript in the cache, did you try different browsers?

If I have to clear my cache for their site to work, they've failed. No typical user is going to do that. They're going to exit the site.

In the end, nobody cares if some file on some server is being sent as it should. It's all about the user experience. And, presently, the site doesn't update without user interaction despite over a decade of doing so (users expect this). And even when I hit refresh, I don't get the latest temperature! And, to top it off, I get conflicting update times.

Perhaps, in time, they restore update functionality too.

Could they have picked a worse time to have a rough rollout (with 3 hurricanes in North American waters including the largest one ever seen barreling toward the U.S.)?

And, yes, for the record, I've actually loaded the site in a different browser with a clean cache (no extensions enabled) and I opened developer tools and watched in real time as their XHR (json) was sent every 60 seconds but did NOT refresh the content on the page. The data I sent them indicated a temperature change (among other parameters) but nothing appeared on the screen. I've verified that my data is being sent without error from my software. Their json code is opaque, so I can't verify if it contains correct data (which would then point to a js DOM issue) or if they are just sending incorrect data.
Title: Re: Wunderground Redesign
Post by: miraculon on September 08, 2017, 08:30:57 AM
It has been magically fixed for my own PWS page as well. Alas, it seems to have eaten my Gold Star in the process. 8-[

Greg H.
Title: Re: Wunderground Redesign
Post by: pwdiver on September 08, 2017, 12:14:09 PM
I dont now whats going on I noticed my data not updating and being 20- 35 minutes old Ive ran Weather-display and then ran VWS and neither is updating on the update cycle Ive had set for them for years, Is this because of the new look im seeing If so then I dont like it. :-(
Title: Re: Wunderground Redesign
Post by: ggsteve on September 08, 2017, 12:33:52 PM
If we're talking about the same thing I have three stations reporting to WU and all the history graphs are updating without manual refreshing.
Title: Re: Wunderground Redesign
Post by: openvista on September 08, 2017, 12:38:42 PM
If we're talking about the same thing I have three stations reporting to WU and all the history graphs are updating without manual refreshing.

Nope. We're talking about the forecast page: https://www.wunderground.com/weather/us/ma/west-townsend/KMATOWNS8?cm_ven=pwsdash_cityforecast. That's the one the public sees most often and lands at when they do a search for your area. And that page said your last update occurred 34 minutes ago.
Title: Re: Wunderground Redesign
Post by: pwdiver on September 08, 2017, 01:30:50 PM
Ive done updates pretty much constant  or maybe every couple of seconds since Ive been uploading data to WU since 2005. I thought I was having a glitch with WD but VWS is doing the same thing.
Title: Re: Wunderground Redesign
Post by: jpk1018 on September 08, 2017, 02:55:05 PM
Wonder what would happen if we all just stopped sending data. Kinda an insult when they stop using your data and and default to the closest airport.
Title: Re: Wunderground Redesign
Post by: ValentineWeather on September 08, 2017, 04:18:48 PM
I'm seeing slow server response times for opening but both my stations, rapid fire is up and working with 4 second updates so all is well on that end. 
I think the move was made several days ago when I first noticed server response time slowed. 
Title: Re: Wunderground Redesign
Post by: jpk1018 on September 08, 2017, 04:21:54 PM
Not me they are still using airport temp and update is about an hour
Title: Re: Wunderground Redesign
Post by: ValentineWeather on September 08, 2017, 04:25:59 PM
Not me they are still using airport temp and update is about an hour

I see rapid fire working with 31 second updates it looks like.
Try this link: https://www.wunderground.com/personal-weather-station/dashboard?ID=KCOMILLI7
Title: Re: Wunderground Redesign
Post by: jpk1018 on September 08, 2017, 04:28:26 PM
That's not me I'm KCOMILLI4
Title: Re: Wunderground Redesign
Post by: ValentineWeather on September 08, 2017, 04:36:19 PM
That's not me I'm KCOMILLI4

It's still working for me but 4 second updates even better.
https://www.wunderground.com/personal-weather-station/dashboard?ID=KCOMILLI4

You should change your globe link because it's linked to the wrong station then.
Title: Re: Wunderground Redesign
Post by: jpk1018 on September 08, 2017, 04:44:28 PM
Yeah I'm getting the same but on the forecast page I'm not, still has wrong temp and update is about an hour
Title: Re: Wunderground Redesign
Post by: ValentineWeather on September 08, 2017, 05:05:00 PM
Yeah I'm getting the same but on the forecast page I'm not, still has wrong temp and update is about an hour

I never look at forecast page being I have my own website.
Dashboard and almanac is all I've ever linked or used with WU/ Weather channel using same models and it's not trustworthy for my area so forecast I link and use is straight from the horse's mouth, local NWS forecast office North Platte.   
Title: Re: Wunderground Redesign
Post by: Jáchym on September 08, 2017, 05:05:55 PM
Btw. the airport stations are gone... some of my scripts stopped working because the links are all dead
Title: Re: Wunderground Redesign
Post by: vreihen on September 08, 2017, 06:39:10 PM
Btw. the airport stations are gone... some of my scripts stopped working because the links are all dead

They were missing for me two days ago, and have since returned here.....
Title: Re: Wunderground Redesign
Post by: jpk1018 on September 08, 2017, 06:52:47 PM
Things seem to be returning to normal down to 3 min refresh
Title: Re: Wunderground Redesign
Post by: openvista on September 08, 2017, 07:01:37 PM
Yeah I'm getting the same but on the forecast page I'm not, still has wrong temp and update is about an hour

I never look at forecast page being I have my own website.
Dashboard and almanac is all I've ever linked or used with WU/ Weather channel using same models and it's not trustworthy for my area so forecast I link and use is straight from the horse's mouth, local NWS forecast office North Platte.

You might have noticed that the weather station page you linked to still has the OLD design. Wanna bet that's going to be changing soon? They rolled out on their most important pages first and will likely circle back to the less visited pages in time. I predict it will be just as "useful" as the forecast page once they've assimilated it into their new design.
Title: Re: Wunderground Redesign
Post by: ocala on September 08, 2017, 07:10:10 PM
The desktop version of my page only updates every minute but on my phone it updates every few seconds.
Title: Re: Wunderground Redesign
Post by: ValentineWeather on September 08, 2017, 07:14:44 PM
Yeah I'm getting the same but on the forecast page I'm not, still has wrong temp and update is about an hour

I never look at forecast page being I have my own website.
Dashboard and almanac is all I've ever linked or used with WU/ Weather channel using same models and it's not trustworthy for my area so forecast I link and use is straight from the horse's mouth, local NWS forecast office North Platte.

You might have noticed that the weather station page you linked to still has the OLD design. Wanna bet that's going to be changing soon? They rolled out on their most important pages first and will likely circle back to the less visited pages in time. I predict it will be just as "useful" as the forecast page once they've assimilated it into their new design.

Looking at my almanac link the RF isn't working.  I'll remove this link from website. If dashboard goes down no reason to send  data any longer. Its updating just not at RF rate of 4 seconds. 



https://www.wunderground.com/weather/us/ne/valentine/69201
Title: Re: Wunderground Redesign
Post by: openvista on September 08, 2017, 07:18:13 PM
When I click on the forecast page now it says updated 3 minutes ago but when I compare it to my readings 3 minutes ago, it's off, in some cases way off, in humidity, dew point, pressure. I bet if the temp weren't stable right now that would be off too. Maybe that's a reason they round up to whole numbers now?
Title: Re: Wunderground Redesign
Post by: jpk1018 on September 09, 2017, 11:50:26 AM
Obviously having major growing pains if that is what you want to call it. On forecast page I don't have any temperature right now, just basic forecast stuff. No update time at all.
Title: Re: Wunderground Redesign
Post by: Gerald on September 10, 2017, 10:19:58 AM
My History Page still is responding to rapid fire updates but, of course the Forecast Page is not. Is there any other site out there that will update similar to rapid fire?
Title: Re: Wunderground Redesign
Post by: ValentineWeather on September 10, 2017, 10:51:59 AM
Is there any other site out there that will update similar to rapid fire?

Nothing I'm familiar with other than running your own website with scripts as some have done.
Title: Re: Wunderground Redesign
Post by: Glenn on September 11, 2017, 08:23:05 AM
Now I'm seeing the delay; I wasn't looking in the correct spot.  #-o

VT is off by 21 minutes, CT 23 minutes.

Title: Re: Wunderground Redesign
Post by: ggsteve on September 11, 2017, 08:56:18 AM
I can't go back and reread this whole thing.  Are you guys seeing anything on the 10 day forecast page at all?  Mine has been a blank page since Saturday at home and I'm getting the same result here at school this morning. 

I will really miss the 10 day forecast page if they don't fix it.  I love it when the night guy predicts 47" of snow for a week from Thursday and then the morning guy comes in and slashes the prediction down to flurries, only to have the night-time guy come in and raise it again.

EDIT:  The 10 day forecast just loaded, but it took a good 10 minutes to start and the page loaded very slowly.  It looks ok though.
Title: Re: Wunderground Redesign
Post by: boss281 on September 11, 2017, 10:03:07 AM
Well, the entire site seems down from here in Maryland for about 2 hours now.
Title: Re: Wunderground Redesign
Post by: boss281 on September 12, 2017, 08:02:14 AM
Right now the local forecast at https://www.wunderground.com/forecast/us/md/new-windsor/KMDNEWWI3 doesn't render.  The monthly calendar seems to work...
Title: Re: Wunderground Redesign
Post by: catdon on September 12, 2017, 12:16:23 PM
Total mess...why would you put the remainder  of a stations readings several rows below the temp and wind readings.  ](*,)
Title: Re: Wunderground Redesign
Post by: Eno on September 12, 2017, 01:39:02 PM
Current and forecast Wx data looks ok, but my and several other area webcam images haven't updated since around 0330 9/12.  (posting this at 1130 9/12) SW Idaho, USA.

FTP connection not working. 
Title: Re: Wunderground Redesign
Post by: openvista on September 12, 2017, 06:58:17 PM
Dew point (or humidity) is still wrong! 

OK, so I took their hour old data on the forecast page (my station) and verified their calculations. They were reporting a 71 deg air temp, with 58% humidity. That SHOULD BE a 55.5 deg dew point, but WU was reporting 52. I saw a neighboring station whose dew point was off 7.5 degrees!

My guess is the temperature is updated separately from the other conditions. Who knows.

Anyone else want to see if this is happening to their conditions, you can use this dew point calculator: http://andrew.rsmas.miami.edu/bmcnoldy/Humidity.html (http://andrew.rsmas.miami.edu/bmcnoldy/Humidity.html).
Title: Re: Wunderground Redesign
Post by: CW2274 on September 12, 2017, 07:48:20 PM
Anyone else want to see if this is happening to their conditions, you can use this dew point calculator: http://andrew.rsmas.miami.edu/bmcnoldy/Humidity.html (http://andrew.rsmas.miami.edu/bmcnoldy/Humidity.html).
You and/or others may find this one a little easier to use.  http://www.dpcalc.org/
Title: Re: Wunderground Redesign
Post by: Aardvark on September 14, 2017, 11:15:19 AM
I tried to call them, their number is out of service, not good.  i did find this:https://www.sitejabber.com/reviews/www.wunderground.com#question (https://www.sitejabber.com/reviews/www.wunderground.com#question)      and the only webcams that I find on their site happen to be department of transportation road cams or some from a travel agency.  what it appears to me is that rather than taking our photos, they have embedded links to other sites.   Eh... sucks but I think that is the game they play.
Title: Re: Wunderground Redesign
Post by: Old Tele man on September 14, 2017, 01:01:57 PM
Anyone else want to see if this is happening to their conditions, you can use this dew point calculator: http://andrew.rsmas.miami.edu/bmcnoldy/Humidity.html (http://andrew.rsmas.miami.edu/bmcnoldy/Humidity.html).
You and/or others may find this one a little easier to use.  http://www.dpcalc.org/
Or, you can use this NOAA(*) empirical approximation formula:

Tdp = (173 + 0.9*Ta)*(RH%/100%)^(1/8)  - 173 - 0.1*Ta

where:
RH% = relative humidity, percentage
Tdp = dew point temperature, ºF
Ta = ambient air temperature, ºF

(*) developed by Julius F. Bosen, Office of Climatology, US Weather Bureau, 17-Nov-1958
• reference: "An Approximation Formula to Compute Relative Humidity from Dry Bulb and Dew Point Temperatures," MONTHLY WEATHER REVIEW, Dec.1958, page 486.