Post by: Cutty Sark Sailor on May 25, 2013, 05:49:26 PM
I didn't see this in the forums, so here goes:
Lots of the little webcams have only about a 3 meter 'infinity'. Beyond 10ft, focus/ sharpness is up for grabs.
Fix it: Make a negative 2 diopters correction.
Get yourself a -2 diopter (negative 2 ) film or digital camera eyepiece/viewfinder adapter that folks like Nikon, et.al. make available for us nearsighted folks.
Secure the little booger right on your camera, over your camera's lens. Tape will work. You might find 'em around 5 bucks somewhere... or up to 20.
Rename your camera 'Hubble'. Get some coffee. Enjoy.
One of my Logitech c920s (cam2) has this installed as I post this, since I'm still modifying my cam installations. The difference is astounding.
Feb 19 2014:
And we have a HubbleCam collection page hosting at
http://frankfortweather.us/campage/
Apply your fix then Add your Hubble Cam (http://ourspecial.net/twinhollies/weathercenter/campage/hubblecam/hubblecam.html)
Mike
Post by: Papa_Smoke on June 02, 2013, 10:01:11 AM
Before -2 diopter correction: ](*,)
(http://ourspecial.net/twinhollies/misc/papasmoke/beforediopter800.jpg)
After -2 diopter "Hubble Fix" =D>
(http://ourspecial.net/twinhollies/misc/papasmoke/afterdiopter800.jpg)
Post by: miraculon on June 02, 2013, 10:09:58 AM
I am going to check into this. I thought that it was just the resolution on my webcam, but if the fix is this easy it will be great.
UPDATE: I ordered this one: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B009FRD7RC/ref=oh_details_o00_s00_i01?ie=UTF8&psc=1 (http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B009FRD7RC/ref=oh_details_o00_s00_i01?ie=UTF8&psc=1)
Greg H
Post by: Cutty Sark Sailor on June 02, 2013, 10:27:33 AM
Wow, that is amazing. It looks like you replaced it with a higher resolution camera!http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00009R8TE/ref=oh_details_o00_s00_i00?ie=UTF8&psc=1 (http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00009R8TE/ref=oh_details_o00_s00_i00?ie=UTF8&psc=1)
I am going to check into this. I thought that it was just the resolution on my webcam, but if the fix is this easy it will be great.
Any particularly good place to find these -2 diopter lenses?
Greg H
is where I ordered 'em. Adorama Camera...
No, it's not the webcam resolution... it's the focus length. Most of 'em's 'infinity' is only about 10 feet. The diopter extends it, and also 'widens' somewhat the lens. I think the original C920 has a 74° field of view... with the diopter it appears a few degrees wider. You'll notice a very slight bit of 'wide angle' distortion, but that's better than blur.!!! Not too noticeable unless you have a lot of straight vertical / horizontal shapes in the field.
Well done, PapaSmoke!
Cheers!
Mike
Post by: Cutty Sark Sailor on June 02, 2013, 10:28:41 AM
Post by: miraculon on June 02, 2013, 10:45:22 AM
(http://www.miraculon.net/wxcam.jpg)
I am hoping that this trick can do something for it.
Greg H
Post by: Cutty Sark Sailor on June 02, 2013, 11:09:56 AM
Your Trendnet has a Resolution: up to 640 x 480 pixels -
Focal length: 4.57mm
F/No: F1.9
Focus depth: 20cm ~ infinity
View angle: horizontal: 45 degree, vertical: 35 degree
Compare that to the C920 we're using as ref (up to 1920 x 1080 pixels 74° viewfield with a focal length of 3.67 mm... that's a lot of difference)
Be real interesting to see how it comes out! FYI: Amazon sells the C920 for 73 bucks. If the Fuji you ordered doesn't do it, and you need a bigger correction, for example- you can "Stack" the lenses, I think it works like -2 + -2 = -4... Not sure about that.
Post by: Cutty Sark Sailor on June 02, 2013, 11:50:24 AM
(http://ourspecial.net/twinhollies/misc/cam1.jpg)
(http://ourspecial.net/twinhollies/misc/cam2.jpg)
(http://ourspecial.net/twinhollies/misc/cam3.jpg)
:twisted:
Mike
Post by: Papa_Smoke on June 02, 2013, 05:58:51 PM
a +2 plus a +2 = +4
a -2 plus a -3 = -5
and so on, within limits.
I am NOT an optical physics expert either but the sources I have read say this.
Good luck. I hope this works as well for you as it did for us. I have mine strapped on with electrical tape. I do plan to epoxy it on since it looks so DanGed good.
Post by: Cutty Sark Sailor on June 02, 2013, 06:09:19 PM
I have mine strapped on with electrical tape. I do plan to epoxy it on since it looks so DanGed good.Hmmm... and if the camera went south, I might damage the diopter removing it.... Think I'll leave mine taped, esp since the little diopters may become hard to get with new digital evfs and viewfinders... Yep.. I'll leave mine 'portable'.
Post by: Papa_Smoke on June 03, 2013, 09:36:31 AM
RUBBER BANDS for me!
Post by: Cutty Sark Sailor on June 03, 2013, 09:57:27 AM
Post by: Intheswamp on June 03, 2013, 11:33:12 AM
You could also do the same with some rare earth magnets which might even be more simple...metal nuts or washers on one surface and magnets on the other. I have no idea if this would affect the electronics of the camera or not...probably not.
Ed
Post by: Cutty Sark Sailor on June 03, 2013, 12:03:52 PM
Post by: Papa_Smoke on June 03, 2013, 11:46:02 PM
Currently in negotiation with agents representing a coalition of small orb spiders - they will secure my diopters with adhesive webbing if I allow them to hide inside the camera housings, which would also serve as anchors for their webs. Am optimistic about outcome...
A similar situation for me BUT the spider failed to contact my agent. Just moved in without a howdy-do or ANYTHING. I gave the spider a splash of WD40, as a "housing warming" gift but the spider did not care for the slick look and left!
Post by: smorris on June 05, 2013, 09:05:19 AM
Granted, the images were taken in drastically different light, but you can still tell the improvement in sharpness. Both have degradation at the edges, and as noted, the field of view is now increased. I don't have a good place to view more sky without running cables to teh upstairs windows...
Thanks for the idea, Cutty Sark Sailor, and for the link, Greg
Top: Before, with standard lens
Bottom: After adding -2 diopter lens
(http://smorris.smugmug.com/Weather/webphotos/i-tHkWGdg/0/X3/near-sighted-X3.jpg)
Post by: Cutty Sark Sailor on June 05, 2013, 09:36:36 AM
Did you mean a Logitech 9000? That's a 2M px cam, and seemed to focus pretty good up to about 20-25ft by itself. I have one still mounted in similar location to yours, unused now, (too lazy/busy to dismount and put to other use). It provided good pics, but I changed to 920s for a bit more resolution. I'm wondering if your software has a jpeg quality adjustment? I run mine at 90 (or 10% compression... whatever scale). I know the 9000 provided great pics at 800x600, even without correction. If you're like me, more interested in 'sky' shots than terrain, other than reference, and what's a little blurriness on a cloud anyway????
I've been getting 33' USB active extenders on Amazon for 11 bucks. (I keep spares after a near miss lightening bolt took out two of 'em). That could get you upstairs.
Post by: smorris on June 05, 2013, 10:16:28 AM
Steve, =D> Awesome. How did you quick-negotiate with the spiders to hold the diopter in place for you? :-P
Two drops of super glue! :grin:
Yep, it is a Logitech 9000, not a 900. I'm on a Mac, so none of the camera controls are available. The acquisition software I use has limited digital exposure controls, but no control over the focus or quality of the camera; just whatever the factory defaults are.
I'm in an offset split-level on a slab (picture a split level [six stairs up/six stairs down from the ground level portion] shifted up to near ground level [one stair down/11 stairs up from the ground level portion]), so any wiring I do is generally through an exterior wall, across the house, and then drill back into a wall. Consequently, I try to keep that to a minimum. My exterior camera is a wireless IP cam, but not very high quality.
I'm just collecting components for a setup like Greg's Skunk Bay webcam using an Olympus SP-500-UZ 6 mp camera as described here: http://www.wxforum.net/index.php?topic=19128.0 So I will want to mount that in an area with a better view.
Steve
Post by: blizzardof78 on June 13, 2013, 08:31:19 PM
Guess ya could trip on over to local Walmart optometry and order a -2 diopter pair of glasses and rip out the lenses. But then, you gotta have an Rx for negatives... positives are off the shelf reading glasses... so now ya gotta forge an eye exam too,... :twisted:
Are you saying that if my brother in law can get me a single lense for a pair of glasses that has a -2 reading it'll work? As you can see by the attached photo the picture leaves a lot to be desired right now!
Don in Ohio
Post by: mkutche on June 13, 2013, 10:27:38 PM
:-$ Don't tell anybody...
I didn't see this in the forums, so here goes:
Lots of the little webcams have only about a 3 meter 'infinity'. Beyond 10ft, focus/ sharpness is up for grabs.
Fix it: Make a negative 2 diopters correction.
Get yourself a -2 diopter (negative 2 ) film or digital camera eyepiece/viewfinder adapter that folks like Nikon, et.al. make available for us nearsighted folks.
Secure the little booger right on your camera, over your camera's lens. Tape will work. You might find 'em around 5 bucks somewhere... or up to 20.
Rename your camera 'Hubble'. Get some coffee. Enjoy.
One of my Logitech c920s (cam2) has this installed as I post this, since I'm still modifying my cam installations. The difference is astounding.
Post by: Cutty Sark Sailor on June 14, 2013, 06:51:37 AM
Specifically your brother-in-law??? No, but -2 diopters is -2 diopters, far as I know... I was really trying to be ' :twisted: ' with that comment... but "Why Not" a brother-in-law who grinds lenses?Guess ya could trip on over to local Walmart optometry and order a -2 diopter pair of glasses and rip out the lenses. But then, you gotta have an Rx for negatives... positives are off the shelf reading glasses... so now ya gotta forge an eye exam too,... :twisted:Are you saying that if my brother in law can get me a single lense for a pair of glasses that has a -2 reading it'll work? As you can see by the attached photo the picture leaves a lot to be desired right now!
Don in Ohio
Will this work on my foscam ip cameraDunno, probably... Papa Smoke, Steve M, and I know it does on the Logitechs. Maybe need more than -2... remember these things can be stacked. My 'cam4' actually is running a -3, since that's what I had left over.. -2 would have been enough, I figure.
Post by: blizzardof78 on June 14, 2013, 07:13:33 AM
Specifically your brother-in-law??? No, but -2 diopters is -2 diopters, far as I know... I was really trying to be ' :twisted: ' with that comment... but "Why Not" a brother-in-law who grinds lenses?Guess ya could trip on over to local Walmart optometry and order a -2 diopter pair of glasses and rip out the lenses. But then, you gotta have an Rx for negatives... positives are off the shelf reading glasses... so now ya gotta forge an eye exam too,... :twisted:Are you saying that if my brother in law can get me a single lense for a pair of glasses that has a -2 reading it'll work? As you can see by the attached photo the picture leaves a lot to be desired right now!
Don in OhioWill this work on my foscam ip cameraDunno, probably... Papa Smoke, Steve M, and I know it does on the Logitechs. Maybe need more than -2... remember these things can be stacked. My 'cam4' actually is running a -3, since that's what I had left over.. -2 would have been enough, I figure.
Actually my Bro-In-Law is an eye doctor and has access to all of those lenses. That's why I was asking. I guess I should have stated that from the start lol.
Don in Ohio
Post by: mkutche on June 14, 2013, 07:39:20 AM
Post by: Papa_Smoke on June 14, 2013, 07:58:53 AM
Amazon.
(This is experimental so results may vary).
Post by: Cutty Sark Sailor on June 14, 2013, 08:01:48 AM
The diopters we have are NOT made for our cameras. We jury-rigged the diopters to the cams. I suspect that each brand of camera MIGHT use a different diopter. A -3 or -4 might work.Ditto: Stay tuned... I've got a couple of pics to process and post
Amazon.
(This is experimental so results may vary).
Post by: Cutty Sark Sailor on June 14, 2013, 08:38:09 AM
Ok so where can i find a diopter for a foscam ip cam i searched and couldnt find one or maybe im not lookin in the right spot.http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_noss?url=search-alias%3Daps&field-keywords=-2+diopter+viewfinder%27&rh=i%3Aaps%2Ck%3A-2+diopter+viewfinder%27
Or-- perhaps Don-in-Ohio and his brother-in-law would consider something on the side. I expect we could get at least 3 or 4 correctors out of a single lens blank. I claim 25% of it. :twisted:
I suppose any - 2 or so corrective diopter would work... below uses a Nikon Viewfinder correction adapter.
And here's original prototype of how I'll be re-mounting mine: (That's a Logitech C920 right out of the box)
(http://ourspecial.net/twinhollies/misc/920-2front.JPG)(http://ourspecial.net/twinhollies/misc/920-2back.JPG)
That's a harness made out of 24 gauge(?) solid copper wire stripped out of some old telephone wire I had kicking around. About 15-16" folded in half, twisted into the grooves in that NIKON adapter, and using the folded loop to catch and hold the two ends, on the back. Simple. Adjustable. Removable. Not messy like tape. Harness available in various colors to match your décor. Just takes a bit of fooling with. Yes, the single 'hooks' through the loop on the back are for adjustment, and once lens is positioned, that's sufficient to hold it tightly. :lol:
Post by: blizzardof78 on June 14, 2013, 05:22:14 PM
I just ordered this from Amazon... http://www.amazon.com/dp/B009FRD7RC/ref=pe_385040_30332200_pe_309540_26725410_item Looking forward to getting it on the camera. Where will you be placing the new 920 unit? And where did you get your lens? Or did I miss it?
Don in Ohio
Post by: Cutty Sark Sailor on June 14, 2013, 09:01:22 PM
before Adorama Camera ran out of stock. They're getting in short supply in the industry, anyway, as mentioned earlier. (Ok, so on a second order I sorta bought what I believe to be Adorama's remaining stock ;) .. so I've got some extra private stock... :twisted: just in case.)
3 of my cams are mounted in some marked down closeout housings, again from Amazon, ($25) but I think they're gone: (especially after I again ordered a couple more for backup). My fourth (cam4) is a C910 mounted in a small halogen light fixture. (It's 'birdcam' right now, snowcam in season.
The extra 920 is for a spare... already had 2 active USB cables killed by lightening.
(http://ourspecial.net/twinhollies/misc/weathercams600a.jpg)
Post by: blizzardof78 on June 15, 2013, 08:52:02 AM
Got these Nikons http://www.amazon.com/gp/offer-listing/B00009R8TE/ref=dp_olp_new?ie=UTF8&condition=new
before Adorama Camera ran out of stock. They're getting in short supply in the industry, anyway, as mentioned earlier. (Ok, so on a second order I sorta bought what I believe to be Adorama's remaining stock ;) .. so I've got some extra private stock... :twisted: just in case.)
3 of my cams are mounted in some marked down closeout housings, again from Amazon, ($25) but I think they're gone: (especially after I again ordered a couple more for backup). My fourth (cam4) is a C910 mounted in a small halogen light fixture. (It's 'birdcam' right now, snowcam in season.
The extra 920 is for a spare... already had 2 active USB cables killed by lightening.
(http://ourspecial.net/twinhollies/misc/weathercams600a.jpg)
Good morning and thank you for all of the valuable information. Those camera housing units look very similar to one I am expecting today or Monday from eBay.
Regarding the lens from Japan I think it was... did it dship direct from Japan or did Amazon have it in stock somewhere? Just curious as I may upgrade my other weather camera soon. Thanks again.
Don in Ohio
Post by: capeweather on June 15, 2013, 09:41:21 AM
Post by: Cutty Sark Sailor on June 15, 2013, 11:07:43 AM
The Nikons came from New York...Adorama through Amazon...Got these Nikons http://www.amazon.com/gp/offer-listing/B00009R8TE/ref=dp_olp_new?ie=UTF8&condition=new
before Adorama Camera ran out of stock. They're getting in short supply in the industry, anyway, as mentioned earlier. (Ok, so on a second order I sorta bought what I believe to be Adorama's remaining stock ;) .. so I've got some extra private stock... :twisted: just in case.)
Regarding the lens from Japan I think it was... did it dship direct from Japan or did Amazon have it in stock somewhere? Just curious as I may upgrade my other weather camera soon. Thanks again.
Post by: Papa_Smoke on June 15, 2013, 02:44:11 PM
The Nikons came from New York...Adorama through Amazon...Got these Nikons http://www.amazon.com/gp/offer-listing/B00009R8TE/ref=dp_olp_new?ie=UTF8&condition=new
before Adorama Camera ran out of stock. They're getting in short supply in the industry, anyway, as mentioned earlier. (Ok, so on a second order I sorta bought what I believe to be Adorama's remaining stock ;) .. so I've got some extra private stock... :twisted: just in case.)
Regarding the lens from Japan I think it was... did it dship direct from Japan or did Amazon have it in stock somewhere? Just curious as I may upgrade my other weather camera soon. Thanks again.
Yep. I got mine from Adorama - a certain unnamed Cutty Sark bought up all the stock shortly after my purchase. ;-)
Post by: Weather Man on June 15, 2013, 02:47:00 PM
Before:
(http://i.imgur.com/P7yLZTE.jpg)
After:
(http://i.imgur.com/y2pYn5z.jpg)
I believe it will require stacking (to -3 or -4 maybe) as suggested earlier in this thread. I'll keep ya'll posted on my progress.
Post by: Cutty Sark Sailor on June 15, 2013, 05:29:19 PM
Post by: blizzardof78 on June 16, 2013, 09:42:30 AM
Don in Ohio
Post by: Papa_Smoke on June 16, 2013, 06:11:23 PM
Post by: blizzardof78 on June 16, 2013, 06:34:09 PM
Don in Ohio
Post by: Cutty Sark Sailor on June 16, 2013, 08:01:37 PM
Try that, but most of all make sure you're using the latest Logitech drivers. They're in the Logitech program you downloaded. The Logitech program is designed for 'stand-alone' or feeding one of their services, not working at same time as your Webcam 7....
You're just using the cam drivers from Logitech for Webcam 7, and accessing the cam controls 'back-door' from WC7...
Post by: Papa_Smoke on June 16, 2013, 11:55:34 PM
Post by: Cutty Sark Sailor on June 17, 2013, 07:42:51 AM
Make sure you've got latest Logitech software installed:
http://logitech-en-amr.custhelp.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/4096/related/1/session/L2F2LzEvdGltZS8xMzcxNDY5MjE0L3NpZC9TUENFU1lzbA%3D%3D (http://logitech-en-amr.custhelp.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/4096/related/1/session/L2F2LzEvdGltZS8xMzcxNDY5MjE0L3NpZC9TUENFU1lzbA%3D%3D)
In Logitech, software,
click"Quick Capture" set to"Photo" click"Controls" on Controller" Resolution: default is 'small'. Change to "15mps" for highest. (for 920)
None of which is relevant using WC7
Remember, you'll be 'backdooring' the Logitech software from WC7. Resolution Settings are done thru WC7.
Brightness, etc done through 'backdoor" Logitech from WC7:
Make sure C920 connected before starting WC7... Close the Logitech software if it's open. First time, you might have to reboot pc with cam connected.
Initially WC7 sometimes won't find a cam connected after program started. Some settings in WC7 will require WC7 to be closed and restarted to become effective.
But NOT these:
Open WC7. "Monitor" Right Click "position 1" On 'source' look for Your C920 as a "PCI/USB (WDM driver)". Select it.
Click back on the "position 1 thumb" to select the cam. which chould now show in the monitor window.
I believe webcam7 will initially default to a low resolution... once WC7 connected to the camera, "Monitor", right click your source thumb,
"Video Format", will show you available resolution modes, select whatever. "Source Settings" is where the Logitech software is called up for Zoom, brightness, etc.
Post by: mkutche on June 17, 2013, 05:09:09 PM
(http://www.gosportwx.com/img/cam_1.jpg)
and would the diopters u mentioned above fit my cam here's a pic of it..
(http://www.gosportwx.com/img/foscam.jpg)
and do i just tape them on the current lens and stack them? sorry to keep askin questions just want to kno this stuff before i buy it..
thanks
Mike
Post by: Cutty Sark Sailor on June 17, 2013, 05:43:39 PM
They had poor resolution to start with, compared to the Loggies we're playin' with, far as I know...
Tape would work awhile outdoors, I suppose. See post #25 above for how I'm remounting my adapters. doesn't matter, long as it covers the lens field of view... doesn't have to cover the whole camera body.
Post by: mkutche on June 17, 2013, 05:47:58 PM
I couldn't say... isn't that a wireless VGA cam? I suspect your initial image would be hard to enhance. I guess I need to get that old 930 out of the closet if I can find it, and experiment..,.
They had poor resolution to start with, compared to the Loggies we're playin' with, far as I know...
Tape would work awhile outdoors, I suppose. See post #25 above for how I'm remounting my adapters. doesn't matter, long as it covers the lens field of view... doesn't have to cover the whole camera body.
this is the details of my cam.. idk if its VGA or not it doesnt say tho. lol
Foscam FI8904W Outdoor Wireless IP Camera The Foscam FI8904W Wireless IP Camera features high quality video, waterproof and weather proof outdoor housing, remote internet viewing, motion detection, night-vision as well as a built in network video recording system. In addition, it is smartphone compatible (Iphone, Android & Blackberry) as well as viewable over the internet using standard browsers. The camera functions well as an Iphone baby monitor or as part of a home or office security system with remote internet monitoring ability.
Features:
IR-Cut filter for true color video and images
Outdoor fixed wireless IP camera
24 IR LEDs for night vision up to 20 meters
Fitted with a 3.6 mm lens for a wide 45 degree viewing angle
Post by: capeweather on June 17, 2013, 06:27:15 PM
Post by: Cutty Sark Sailor on June 17, 2013, 08:21:40 PM
I received my diopters today but didn't realize they were +2. Are they worth opening or should I return?You need the negative diopters to correct nearsightedness. I'd return them.
Post by: Cutty Sark Sailor on June 17, 2013, 08:31:45 PM
Post by: blizzardof78 on June 18, 2013, 07:48:32 PM
Post by: Cutty Sark Sailor on June 18, 2013, 07:58:01 PM
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So I got me a new -2 Diopter and a new case for my web camera. Here is the old compared to the new. Opinions?=D> Probably be even sharper if you stepped it up to 1024X576. It also seems like the cam will 'get smarter' after being on a few days. Don't ask me to explain that... maybe it's just me getting used to it.
Post by: blizzardof78 on June 18, 2013, 08:31:22 PM
Post by: Cutty Sark Sailor on June 18, 2013, 08:41:20 PM
Post by: Papa_Smoke on June 18, 2013, 11:20:46 PM
In Logitech software leave Auto Focus OFF- set to infinity. Advanced settings: turn anti flicker off. Taking your horizon down to less than 30% or so, if you want more cloud details seems to cause better response. A 50/50 'dark' / light field of view doesn't seem to be overall as crisp as a 70-30 ratio, if you follow me. Maybe it's just my setups and personal preferences, however...(brightness/contrast response) Play with the settings, turning 'autos' off, etc.
Cutty - You are correct. I am running 70/30 but the 70 is of the ground and 30 is sky. I have noticed the camera focuses and adjusts brightness to the larger area. In MY case, the sky always "washes out" because it has too much light gain. I am experimenting with a HD Polarizer lens right now. Before and after pics will come in a couple of days.
BTW - I removed the old drivers and downloaded the latest for the Loggie C920. It now works MUCH better when driving Webcam 7.
http://www.softpedia.com/get/Internet/WebCam/Webcam-7.shtml (http://www.softpedia.com/get/Internet/WebCam/Webcam-7.shtml) (FREE)
Finally - for those wishing to dedicate a computer 24/7 without the hassle of auto-shutdown, here is a free program that prevents the computer from rebooting. (You will have to click on a balloon to do it!)
http://shutdownguard.en.softonic.com/ (http://shutdownguard.en.softonic.com/)
Post by: Cutty Sark Sailor on June 19, 2013, 07:37:01 AM
Which is why your sky washes out. It's an 'averaging'. After you have played with the advanced settings, you'll note the camera will begin to respond a bit differently, when you return to 'right-light' and 'auto'. I had no noticeable effect playing with either linear or circular polarized filters. The 'wash-out' is much more pronounced when looking south. (one reason, besides my location, that mine are aimed 'northerly'.) We just have to learn to accept some stuff, especially as lighting changes throughout the day.In Logitech software leave Auto Focus OFF- set to infinity. Advanced settings: turn anti flicker off. Taking your horizon down to less than 30% or so, if you want more cloud details seems to cause better response. A 50/50 'dark' / light field of view doesn't seem to be overall as crisp as a 70-30 ratio, if you follow me. Maybe it's just my setups and personal preferences, however...(brightness/contrast response) Play with the settings, turning 'autos' off, etc.Cutty - You are correct. I am running 70/30 but the 70 is of the ground and 30 is sky. I have noticed the camera focuses and adjusts brightness to the larger area. In MY case, the sky always "washes out" because it has too much light gain. I am experimenting with a HD Polarizer lens right now.
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BTW - I removed the old drivers and downloaded the latest for the Loggie C920. It now works MUCH better when driving Webcam 7.get the Loggie software from http://www.logitech.com/en-us/support/5798?osid=14&bit=64
http://www.softpedia.com/get/Internet/WebCam/Webcam-7.shtml (http://www.softpedia.com/get/Internet/WebCam/Webcam-7.shtml) (FREE)
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Finally - for those wishing to dedicate a computer 24/7 without the hassle of auto-shutdown, here is a free program that prevents the computer from rebooting. (You will have to click on a balloon to do it!)Sometimes it needs to shut-down and reboot. Updates, faults, etc need to go back through a 'restart' phase to change registry, clean memory, etc. What do you do when you're away? You may need to restart. Set you're power settings to restart after power-fail. Set appropriate software programs to start with windows. Finally, you need a static IP address for any cameras if you're serving real-time, as I am, (not uploading stills and data - not necessary) or other. Make sure your router is providing static address for devices also and port forwarding is setup for your gizmos. If your IP doesn't provide a static address for your connection, get something like "DNS2Go" http://www.dns2go.com/ . Then you need something secure like VNC (not the free version) to connect remotely to your weatherPC, so you can twiddle with your programs, if need be - and 'need will be' at some point!. Until I retired, Real VNC Enterprise enabled me to quickly reset any issues remotely. http://www.realvnc.com/ (http://www.realvnc.com/)Issues will happen, especially during electrical storms. Let the pc "fix" itself if at all possible! Both of you will be happier in the long run.
http://shutdownguard.en.softonic.com/ (http://shutdownguard.en.softonic.com/)
Post by: Cutty Sark Sailor on June 19, 2013, 07:41:00 AM
Post by: blizzardof78 on June 19, 2013, 08:13:37 AM
Ain't This Fun? :lol:
Let me think about it..... NO?! LOL ](*,) ](*,) ](*,)
Turned Anti Flicker OFF
Focus is now set for infinity...
Going to work in a few minutes, you can see the most recent view here http://buckeyeweather.blogspot.com/p/in-cambridge.html
Will get on roof this afternoon when home from work and adjust camera view more towards ground... it appears to be about 50/50 right now.
Don in Ohio
Post by: Cutty Sark Sailor on June 19, 2013, 08:54:51 AM
Wonder how many purist and hi-end users are shaking their heads at our attempts to adapt indoor-designed webcams to match-up with their wonderful equipment? sigh... those of us that have more time than money have to take the low road, unfortunately.
Post by: Papa_Smoke on June 19, 2013, 09:50:10 AM
Looing pretty darn good, Don! You appear to be looking about NNE? If you'll set your lower three advanced settings (brite, contrast, color) through the WC backdoor, for best in clear skies, late afternoon, and watch 'em over time, tweaking 'em in same general conditions... you'll have that thingy humming along satisfactorily in a few days. The more you go toward 'darker' ground, though, the more your sky will wash out, especially on cloudy conditions... kinda cool what we can do on the low end of the price tag, ain't it?
Wonder how many purist and hi-end users are shaking their heads at our attempts to adapt indoor-designed webcams to match-up with their wonderful equipment? sigh... those of us that have more time than money have to take the low road, unfortunately.
Ah....but we ARE doing it and I must say, the results are increasingly impressive!
Don - LOOKING GOOD!
Cutty - Yeah - I just HAD to try the polarizer! I should have known you have been there and done that! LOL Ah, well, the one I bought just happens to fit my next photo camera. ;-)
Post by: Papa_Smoke on June 19, 2013, 09:54:46 AM
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I do a nightly shutdown - manually - just before bed time. Gone? What does that mean? I work online from home. Actually, shutdown guard can be turned on and off with a click. (I am just being lazy though. Didn't feel like resetting everything yet. I will get there though. Right now, I am trying to build my website using Blue Voda. ) *SIGH*
Post by: blizzardof78 on June 19, 2013, 01:47:33 PM
Post by: Papa_Smoke on June 19, 2013, 03:13:02 PM
Boy I really hate to jinx myself, but got home, checked my web camera and found this... how's this look to you? \:D/
That is just TERRIBLE! TERRIBLE!!! ;) BEAUTIFUL!! I guess the cam is learning. In TV we call it burn in.
Post by: Cutty Sark Sailor on June 19, 2013, 03:54:31 PM
Boy I really hate to jinx myself, but got home, checked my web camera and found this... how's this look to you? \:D/
Wonder how many purist and hi-end users are shaking their heads at our attempts to adapt indoor-designed webcams to match-up with their wonderful equipment? sigh... those of us that have more time than money have to take the low road, unfortunately.See? Now you also have a high end camera... =D>
Post by: Cutty Sark Sailor on June 19, 2013, 03:57:34 PM
Post by: blizzardof78 on June 19, 2013, 06:29:33 PM
When you said try a 70/30 ratio (sky / ground) did you mean 70% of the camera of the sky and 30% on the ground? I think you did. If so I may adjust it up a bit later.
Don in Ohio
Post by: blizzardof78 on June 19, 2013, 06:33:24 PM
Look here!! It's a 6:25 p.m. image and look how sharp those trees and buildings and everything look. :lol: Kudos to you, Cutty, for the genius idea!! =D> And yes, to answer your earlier question, the camera is pointing almost due north.
Don in Ohio
Post by: Papa_Smoke on June 19, 2013, 06:34:16 PM
Actually - this IS kind of fun. Kind of.
Post by: blizzardof78 on June 19, 2013, 06:36:16 PM
Don in Ohio
Post by: Cutty Sark Sailor on June 19, 2013, 06:49:32 PM
;)
Both you guys need websites: I think Papa's going through labor pains with his right now.
Post by: Papa_Smoke on June 19, 2013, 06:50:50 PM
Post by: Papa_Smoke on June 19, 2013, 06:52:39 PM
The real telling points are the white minivan upper left, the birdbath front center and the power transformer back center!
;)
Both you guys need websites: I think Papa's going through labor pains with his right now.
I am. I am building the website with a couple of programs here at the house. IF I ever get this stuff figured out, I will be going live.
Post by: capeweather on June 19, 2013, 07:12:12 PM
Post by: DanS on June 19, 2013, 08:00:13 PM
I could not locate any -2 diopters except from Japan. Does anyone have a link that carries these in the US?
Perhaps Adorama (http://www.amazon.com/gp/aag/main?ie=UTF8&asin=&isAmazonFulfilled=&isCBA=&marketplaceID=ATVPDKIKX0DER&orderID=&seller=A17MC6HOH9AVE6) has some? At least there is a couple on their website like this (http://www.amazon.com/Canon-Dioptric-Adjustment-Digital-Cameras/dp/B00009R6TP/ref=aag_m_pw_dp?ie=UTF8&m=A17MC6HOH9AVE6)..
Post by: Cutty Sark Sailor on June 19, 2013, 08:10:31 PM
Call 'em and see...
Post by: ocala on June 19, 2013, 08:11:13 PM
Post by: capeweather on June 19, 2013, 08:51:53 PM
Post by: blizzardof78 on June 19, 2013, 08:56:45 PM
Cutty... www.ohiowx.com Click the In Cambridge link for the most recent web camera view as well as WU updates from my RW III Oracle unit...
Papa... Darke County? Sweet! I'm in Guernsey County on I-70 other side of the state. Ever need any assistance let me know. I'll try my best!!
Post by: Cutty Sark Sailor on June 20, 2013, 08:28:56 AM
Cutty... www.ohiowx.com Click the In Cambridge link for the most recent web camera view as well as WU updates from my RW III Oracle unit...Oops... I knew that... duh.
Post by: blizzardof78 on June 20, 2013, 05:04:08 PM
One of my camera in its new housing unit right after I placed it in the housing unit...
One of my camera on the roof in the permanent position, and...
One of a photo taken today. Looks like day 2 of the "learning" is going well.
Post by: Papa_Smoke on June 20, 2013, 06:22:23 PM
Post by: Cutty Sark Sailor on June 20, 2013, 07:03:26 PM
Post by: blizzardof78 on June 29, 2013, 02:06:56 PM
After just a week my image had degraded but not to the point it was before the -2 Diopter was applied to the camera. Attached are two images. One which was great in my opinion, and one taken just a short time ago. I went to the extent to check and see if the diopter had fallen off the camera; it had not. I cleaned the housing unit with window cleaner and made sure my settings were ...
AUTO FOCUS... OFF
ANTI FLICKER ... OFF
Any ideas? Really just irks me I guess.
Post by: capeweather on June 29, 2013, 02:24:36 PM
Post by: Cutty Sark Sailor on June 29, 2013, 03:37:22 PM
With Right Light on, the cam will sometimes be slow to readjust, especially if there are a lot of changes in brightness. Remember to do these adjustments through the backdoor, using 'source settings' in Webcam
If you are running that cam with any 'zoom' the Logitech software may begin averaging more, as my #4 seems to do. Zoom it all the way out.
Here's another stupid thingy I've discovered about mine... there are itsy-bitsy spiders, about a mm...they build an almost invisible web. And they like to do this at dusk or after a storm. If they get anywhere close to the cam lens, the auto circuits get confused. Reflections, etc. The cam is sensitive to light freqs we can't see, I suppose.
Post by: Papa_Smoke on June 29, 2013, 04:06:21 PM
Don, recheck your Logitech advanced settings... adjust to suit. Make sure it isn't set to follow your face!
With Right Light on, the cam will sometimes be slow to readjust, especially if there are a lot of changes in brightness. Remember to do these adjustments through the backdoor, using 'source settings' in Webcam
If you are running that cam with any 'zoom' the Logitech software may begin averaging more, as my #4 seems to do. Zoom it all the way out.
Here's another stupid thingy I've discovered about mine... there are itsy-bitsy spiders, about a mm...they build an almost invisible web. And they like to do this at dusk or after a storm. If they get anywhere close to the cam lens, the auto circuits get confused. Reflections, etc. The cam is sensitive to light freqs we can't see, I suppose.
I put 4 mothballs into the housing unit, right behind the cam. That helps with lots of bugs except one type of spider that lives to tick me off.
Post by: blizzardof78 on June 29, 2013, 04:18:41 PM
Don, recheck your Logitech advanced settings... adjust to suit. Make sure it isn't set to follow your face!
With Right Light on, the cam will sometimes be slow to readjust, especially if there are a lot of changes in brightness. Remember to do these adjustments through the backdoor, using 'source settings' in Webcam
If you are running that cam with any 'zoom' the Logitech software may begin averaging more, as my #4 seems to do. Zoom it all the way out.
Here's another stupid thingy I've discovered about mine... there are itsy-bitsy spiders, about a mm...they build an almost invisible web. And they like to do this at dusk or after a storm. If they get anywhere close to the cam lens, the auto circuits get confused. Reflections, etc. The cam is sensitive to light freqs we can't see, I suppose.
OK well I'm going to finish mowing the yard then climb back up there and check the lens for that small spider web. Maybe I have the Diopter -2 lens on backwards? Or maybe the camera took a buzz from the recent storms and is rtoast? MAYBE I'll have to drive all the way back to Canton or over to Wheeling, turn it in as defective and get another one? Orrrrrrr, just take it ALL down and forget the whole dang hair pulling hobby. :?
Post by: blizzardof78 on June 30, 2013, 12:00:12 AM
Post by: Cutty Sark Sailor on June 30, 2013, 06:45:46 AM
I checked the case that the camera is in this evening after I mowed. I did find a tiny spider on there and it was on the clear plastic lens the camera looks through on the housing case so I cleaned it off.You must renegotiate your contract with the spider's agent. Apparently they misread the 'conditional use' clause requiring them to remain 15mm away from the lens. They may now be subject to a fine.
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I'll check it in the morning and if it isn't back to the way it was on the 20th I'll exchange it.Oh, I'd stick with this awhile. I had / have a similar problem with one of my triplets once in awhile. Possibly because I'm driving 3 C920s on a single Logitech program. Unplug the cam, from USB power... wait a bit... reconnect, reset what ya need to.
Actually, I suspect it may be a more of a USB power issue ...dunno about that for sure... which leads me to:
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The more I think about it the more likely it received a bit of a shock when the storms moved through here the other night. It was very sharp and clear up through then if I recall correctly. Anyone else ever lost a camera or have its quality reduced due to lightning or static electricity?Not a camera, although I thought so at first. Mine connect to a powered usb hub. Each has two 11meter active usb extension cables. On my initial 2 cam setup, (actually with 3 active 16' extensions each) a near miss air to air bolt killed a camera... it knocked out all 3 :!: of the active extensions to one cam... not the camera (which is still running as 'cam 3' today). The electromagnetic field generated by the lightening fried nothing... nothing smoked or melted. Just enough surge induced to destroy the electronics in the cables. Betcha in my (sigh, long gone) electronics career I fixed several thousand devices that I suspect induced surges had whacked, rather than direct power line hits. I sometimes took a 50KV Hi voltage probe, when a garden variety cell with no lightening went overhead, and connected it across antenna leads, then watch the charge build up until it pegged. True, most of that EMF would continuously bleed off, if the antenna were actually connected to something, and never reach that level... but that could still cook today's stuff with no problem, and leave no evidence. Eventually, we'll lose a camera, or an active cable, or a hub, so:
Now I keep spares. And maintain the best karma. :idea:
Post by: Papa_Smoke on June 30, 2013, 09:23:32 AM
I am currently trying a small experiment with the camera and will post results here IF and after the sky becomes anything except a gray sheet of clouds.
What type of USB cable are you using? Is it powered? Cutty Sark is probably correct in his guess. I forget where but I read you can buy a powered usb cable that is shielded. The longer the cable, the greater the loss.
Post by: blizzardof78 on June 30, 2013, 10:34:31 AM
Don
Post by: Papa_Smoke on June 30, 2013, 11:08:06 AM
I checked my programs files this morning and sure enough the new program for the 920 was NOT installed. I downloaded it from Logitech and installed and now the picture does appear to be a bit "sharper" than before. However I also noticed in my programs that the "drivers" had not been updated. Is it necessary to update the drivers and if so, where can I find a download for that, or have I missed it on here? Thanks.Don - The drivers are shared so the ones you have are probably up to date. Have you installed Webcam 7?? It works well with Logitech AND you can see a FULL SCREEN image. It is a free download. Just do NOT run it if the Logitech software is open.
Don
http://download.cnet.com/webcam-7/3000-2648_4-75147296.html (http://download.cnet.com/webcam-7/3000-2648_4-75147296.html)
Post by: Cutty Sark Sailor on June 30, 2013, 11:18:32 AM
Make sure you've got the newest, and the correct one for your pc.
I'd disconnect the cam.
uninstall the entire Logitech suite on your pc.
Install the new.
Don't worry about detecting the cam.
Close the Logitech program.
Open (you using webcam7?) and connect your camera.
If you're lucky, you'll see something cool like 'drivers installing" or 'installed'.. or something similar on a taskbar, or win popup.
Logitech might even open... whatever.
Regardless, wait a moment or two.
Now, if not running WC7, I'm not sure what to tell you to do, other than if Logitech doesn't open,
open it yourself, and follow appropriate buttons, instructions, settings, etc.
Otherwise you want to backdoor all the settings, if possible, from the program that's serving the cam... rather than the logi software. Follow me???
Post by: Cutty Sark Sailor on June 30, 2013, 11:20:07 AM
Post by: blizzardof78 on June 30, 2013, 03:22:32 PM
First off, the version of WebCam I have running is WebCamXP 5. I'll delete that and update it soon.
Second I want to thank everyone who has bothered to reply to my countless questions / comments.
Thirdly I've attached a current photo which to me looks about as good as it did back on June 20th.
Fourth When you say "Uninstall the entire Logitech suite on your pc" do you mean including "Logitech Legacy USB Driver Package" and "Logitech QuickCam Driver Package"? I am figuring you do.
Thanks and I'll be in touch as you probably have figured by now LOL :lol:
Post by: blizzardof78 on June 30, 2013, 03:26:40 PM
Post by: Cutty Sark Sailor on June 30, 2013, 03:55:38 PM
Good Afternoon one and all...http://dl.filekicker.com/send/file/238545-Y36V/wlite560.exe which is probably what you have.
First off, the version of WebCam I have running is WebCamXP 5. I'll delete that and update it soon.
Second I want to thank everyone who has bothered to reply to my countless questions / comments.
Thirdly I've attached a current photo which to me looks about as good as it did back on June 20th.
Fourth When you say "Uninstall the entire Logitech suite on your pc" do you mean including "Logitech Legacy USB Driver Package" and "Logitech QuickCam Driver Package"? I am figuring you do.
Thanks and I'll be in touch as you probably have figured by now LOL :lol:
If you've got 65 bucks sitting around, I'd get the xp pro, if you've a mind to purchase...
Uninstall all the Logitech stuff and install the package from the link.
Start clean.
I've taken mine offline this afternoon to do some maint on the server... that's always fun... cleaning, etc...
Post by: Cutty Sark Sailor on June 30, 2013, 03:57:11 PM
Post by: blizzardof78 on June 30, 2013, 06:47:46 PM
Don in Ohio
Post by: Papa_Smoke on June 30, 2013, 07:09:32 PM
Post by: Cutty Sark Sailor on June 30, 2013, 07:30:29 PM
Post by: Cutty Sark Sailor on June 30, 2013, 07:33:54 PM
image http://ourspecial.net/twinhollies/misc/pan06282013.jpg
Post by: blizzardof78 on June 30, 2013, 07:35:48 PM
Did you see what these little buggers are capable of, on my other post... here's link to
image http://ourspecial.net/twinhollies/misc/pan06282013.jpg
Yes I did see that! I'm envious and jealous!!! Seriously looks great!!! Nice job!! =D>
Post by: blizzardof78 on June 30, 2013, 07:36:47 PM
Just gotta keep trudgin', when taking a new path!... :-P
Very true. I am the first to admit that I'm one of the LEAST patient people I know!!!
Post by: Papa_Smoke on June 30, 2013, 07:38:02 PM
The cam is still up and running.
Post by: capeweather on June 30, 2013, 08:13:32 PM
Post by: blizzardof78 on June 30, 2013, 08:19:08 PM
Do any of you stream or just photo?
I photo for right now, but one day would like to stream. Only time will tell.
Post by: capeweather on June 30, 2013, 08:22:45 PM
Post by: Papa_Smoke on June 30, 2013, 08:37:49 PM
Do any of you stream or just photo?Capeweather,
I hope to be streaming (or something very near it) IF (and when) I can ever get online.
I "own" dang-weather.info and dang-weather.net but they are parked until. For some reason, I have been VERY busy at my work places. Until then....holding pattern.
Post by: Cutty Sark Sailor on July 01, 2013, 06:57:41 AM
Do any of you stream or just photo?Both: http://frankfortweather.us
or
http://ourspecial.net/twinhollies/weathercenter/
Post by: capeweather on July 01, 2013, 07:05:33 AM
Do any of you stream or just photo?Both: http://frankfortweather.us
or
http://ourspecial.net/twinhollies/weathercenter/
Post by: Cutty Sark Sailor on July 01, 2013, 07:24:37 AM
Very nice!Thanks Chris...Do any of you stream or just photo?Both: http://frankfortweather.us
or
http://ourspecial.net/twinhollies/weathercenter/
I wondered about the cams on your pages, they're so sharp, and why you wanted diopters. Are those cams yours?
My next project, mixed in with the other 512 or so on the wish list, is to figure out why the Logitech drivers don't like 3 of the same exact cam. May move one of the cams to a different pc and serve it from there. Cam 4 is on an old HP a820n, and the other three off the weather box, an HP s5510f.
Post by: capeweather on July 02, 2013, 08:21:37 PM
Very nice!Thanks Chris...Do any of you stream or just photo?Both: http://frankfortweather.us
or
http://ourspecial.net/twinhollies/weathercenter/
I wondered about the cams on your pages, they're so sharp, and why you wanted diopters. Are those cams yours?
My next project, mixed in with the other 512 or so on the wish list, is to figure out why the Logitech drivers don't like 3 of the same exact cam. May move one of the cams to a different pc and serve it from there. Cam 4 is on an old HP a820n, and the other three off the weather box, an HP s5510f.
Post by: Papa_Smoke on July 03, 2013, 10:16:37 AM
The only other problem I've had is when any severe lightning is in the area, the cams will sometimes lockup. At that point the only way to recover is a complete shut down and reboot to reset the USB connection. A restart wont resolve the issue. Have you ever experienced this?
My Logitech went to black after a BIG storm. I had to do a complete shutdown and reboot. It seems to be fine, though.
Post by: capeweather on July 03, 2013, 10:23:59 AM
The only other problem I've had is when any severe lightning is in the area, the cams will sometimes lockup. At that point the only way to recover is a complete shut down and reboot to reset the USB connection. A restart wont resolve the issue. Have you ever experienced this?
My Logitech went to black after a BIG storm. I had to do a complete shutdown and reboot. It seems to be fine, though.
Post by: Cutty Sark Sailor on July 03, 2013, 10:30:51 AM
Are all your cams running usb 2.0? I've had to deal with 1.1 using the extenders but the image quality is still pretty good. Max res I can reach on 1.1 is 640x480 or 640x360. Currently doing some testing on a USB 2.0 65ft cable and it seems to be doing well.Yes, cams 1,2,3 are on two 32' USB2 active extenders each at 1024x576 running on the same HP s5510f.
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The only other problem I've had is when any severe lightning is in the area, the cams will sometimes lockup. At that point the only way to recover is a complete shut down and reboot to reset the USB connection. A restart wont resolve the issue. Have you ever experienced this?Oh yes... I'm not sure if it's induced EMF or sudden bright changes. I've only had the three ganged together, basically since we started this thread, but I never had the issue at all running the old 9000 by itself. I did have an EMF surge on a near miss take out the active extenders on one cam right after I got it up, however.
The C910 I'm running on the old machine by itself has locked a couple of times and because of the way it's set, I think might be bright 'surges', rather than EMF, perhaps due to Logi drivers and slow response.
We also have to remember that these cams are sensitive to other wavelengths that we don't see!
Here's what I have found out about my setup: The Logitech drivers will only handle one cam on one machine. It's that simple. Outside of running each driver and cam on a virtual machine, there's no way to control more than one at a time. Logitech says that's so, and what I experience bears that out.
The Drivers grab the first cam they detect, and every additional cam 'inherits' whatever the first is set to... when I connect the other two, I have to hope that their 'lighting' condition is similar to the first! All I can really control from Webcam is the resolution format. So before I 'reboot' (BTW, that's not always necessary, I'm finding out... bear with me, more later)
Post by: blizzardof78 on July 07, 2013, 03:20:38 PM
Don in Ohio
www.ohiowx.com
Post by: Cutty Sark Sailor on July 07, 2013, 03:38:12 PM
Post by: blizzardof78 on July 07, 2013, 06:47:11 PM
Post by: cospringswx on July 07, 2013, 06:49:09 PM
Post by: cospringswx on July 07, 2013, 06:57:39 PM
Post by: blizzardof78 on July 07, 2013, 07:09:20 PM
I have a Microsoft UBS HD cam that I want to use as a bird cam. Can someone tell me whats a good way to enclose this cam and also I would need a UBS extender cable as well.
Hello Hays. Thanks for the comment regarding my web camera view.
Regarding an extended USB cable. I am currently using a 25' extended cable I purchased from eBay. (I have NO affiliation with this seller other than my past purchases.) Here is a link to the specific cable I'm using
http://www.ebay.com/itm/330770880320?ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1439.l2649
Here is a very inexpensive yet effective and safe way to house your web camera. (Again, NO affiliation with this seller other than my purchase.)
http://www.ebay.com/itm/251284758067?ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1439.l2649
I paid a few extra dollars to get it shipped to me via priority.
I'm sure others will chime in on your question.
Don in Ohio
www.ohiowx.com
Post by: cospringswx on July 07, 2013, 07:33:48 PM
Post by: cospringswx on July 07, 2013, 08:47:45 PM
Post by: blizzardof78 on July 07, 2013, 08:54:57 PM
I need a 50ft USB Extension cable and all I can find is repeater ones. What exactly is this and will this work? Are the repeaters just for long range?
Cutty Sark Sailor may know more about that than me. All I know is that I do not need the repeater or "power supply" for my 25' cable.
Don in Ohio
www.ohiowx.com
Post by: capeweather on July 07, 2013, 09:01:33 PM
http://www.iogear.com/product/GUCE61/
Pretty decent price here:
http://www.amazon.com/IOGEAR-Booster-Ethernet-Extender-GUCE61/dp/B004DJF6SA
I need a 50ft USB Extension cable and all I can find is repeater ones. What exactly is this and will this work? Are the repeaters just for long range?
Post by: cospringswx on July 07, 2013, 09:12:55 PM
Sorry for the thread hijack!!
Post by: capeweather on July 07, 2013, 09:24:35 PM
I have a Panasonic IP cam but know nothing about USB cams. Can I plug it to my router via a USB to Cat5 adapter?
Sorry for the thread hijack!!
Post by: cospringswx on July 07, 2013, 09:27:04 PM
Post by: GreyOwl on July 07, 2013, 09:29:23 PM
I was thinking one of those electrical fixtures to hold lights.I have my camera mounted in a small (~4"x 6") quartz light fixture that I gutted all the light components from. It has no heater and I do not have any problems with condensation or icing. It is mounted about 2' under the eaves on the North side of the house and has been up for about 2 years now. Picture on my Wunderground page.
Post by: GreyOwl on July 07, 2013, 09:36:32 PM
OK you got me here Chris. I don't know how this http://www.amazon.com/IOGEAR-Booster-Ethernet-Extender-GUCE61/dp/B004DJF6SA would work then?
USB connection at each end using Cat5 cable between the two.
Post by: capeweather on July 07, 2013, 09:37:09 PM
OK you got me here Chris. I don't know how this http://www.amazon.com/IOGEAR-Booster-Ethernet-Extender-GUCE61/dp/B004DJF6SA would work then?
Post by: capeweather on July 07, 2013, 09:45:45 PM
99% of the Logitech cams are compatible on 1.1 and 2.0.
I have a Microsoft UBS HD
Post by: capeweather on July 07, 2013, 09:56:19 PM
Post by: cospringswx on July 07, 2013, 10:15:53 PM
I was thinking one of those electrical fixtures to hold lights.I have my camera mounted in a small (~4"x 6") quartz light fixture that I gutted all the light components from. It has no heater and I do not have any problems with condensation or icing. It is mounted about 2' under the eaves on the North side of the house and has been up for about 2 years now. Picture on my Wunderground page.
Not seeing your picture.
Post by: cospringswx on July 07, 2013, 10:23:55 PM
Post by: capeweather on July 07, 2013, 10:24:10 PM
Anyway, here is what i wrote.
OK so I need 50ft of Cat 5 http://www.amazon.com/Importer520-Foot-Network-Ethernet-Cable/dp/B0037FQVX0/ref=sr_1_1?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1373249539&sr=1-1&keywords=50+ft+cat6+cable and this http://www.amazon.com/USB-Extension-Cable-RJ45-Adapter/dp/B004XYEXX4/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1373249088&sr=8-3&keywords=usb+to+cat+5 if it will work. This is the cam I got.
It may or may not work. I don't have any experience with this cam but did encounter issues with a MS cam a few years back. The lower resolutions may only be available which is ok. See knowledge base entry.
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/933311
However, the spec sheet for your cam only states 2.0 and never mentions it being 1.1. See here.
http://download.microsoft.com/download/0/E/4/0E431216-6178-46DC-8B10-684838D55035/TDS_LifeCamHD-5000.pdf
It would be a coin flip.
Post by: capeweather on July 07, 2013, 10:25:19 PM
Dang it! Since it's 2.0 I would have to use the USB repeater cable then correct?
Post by: cospringswx on July 07, 2013, 10:27:55 PM
Yes, I'm currently testing one at 65 feet. It's been on my bench for about a week without an issue.Dang it! Since it's 2.0 I would have to use the USB repeater cable then correct?
Guess I will get this http://www.amazon.com/Cable-Wireless-Extender-Repeater-Extension/dp/B00CPDYOHU/ref=sr_1_9?ie=UTF8&qid=1373250413&sr=8-9&keywords=usb+50+ft+extension+cable
Thanks for your help. :grin:
Post by: capeweather on July 07, 2013, 10:34:22 PM
http://m.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=690727&sa=X&ei=QyTaUcSnHqnXygGbqICQDQ&ved=0CBoQqwQ
Post by: Cutty Sark Sailor on July 08, 2013, 06:09:05 AM
Here's my experience:
Halogen Light Fixture: My original cam setup--- like Greyowl mentioned above
http://ourspecial.net/twinhollies/hollycam2/aboutHollyCams.htm (http://ourspecial.net/twinhollies/hollycam2/aboutHollyCams.htm) (some of that is sort of obsolete now, but might be fun reading)
She's still up, would work today if I connected to her, but enjoying her semi-retirement after 4 years of successful HollyCamming...
The fixtures require some engineering, and I spent about $12 or something for mine. Requires camera mods, in some cases.
I found the cam housings that I'm using today for $25, and that took care of the time and energy modifying and engineering of the housing. And the cams didn't need to be messed with, except for being nearsighted :-)
By the way the original 9000 was near sighted also, but the fix hadn't dawned on me then.
USB connections, longer than 16' generally need an active extender, more for power rather than signal, as I recall.
Several brands have been mentioned. All my 4 cams are on active USB extenders... I used 33'-ers (10m) because two were cheaper than one 48' or 65', at the time ($11 ea) Amazon.
You can go a long way using the powered extenders... I've experimented with 4 (10m's) strung together, but that may be pushing the envelope.
Weatherproofing
Lowes, or similar: Scotch 2242 Linerless Rubber Splicing Tape. Stretch and wrap from cable across connectors, and seal. Removes with little difficulty if needed.
Don't know about this Cat 5 / USB lashup... makes sense, and I think I considered it something similar originally, since I had a few feet of Cat 6
but the cost vs time for such things with USB cams, I found out, it made more sense for me to just use the Extenders, at least in my case... I needed 48' or so.
Cam Resolution
As Don discovered: set these up for highest resolution you can tolerate, up to the 'native' resolution of the cam. Initially, before even turning on Webcam7, or anything else, access the cam in the Logitech capture software, and set it to capture video at highest 'native' resolution (without the software enhancement... I think for the 920 that would be 1080i ) Set the advanced settings as we've discussed before. Now turn off the Logitech software, completely exit. Start your webcam7 whatever server, connect the cam, set 'Video Format' to whatever, start with some 16:9 ratio, you might like it better. 1024x576 is pretty cool... then backdoor the Logitech settings through 'Source Settings' in Webcam7. Remember, Loggie drivers only see the first cam connected, as I discussed above...
I had no idea this thread would develop like this. It's been more fun than a laser pointer and a litter of kittens.
Post by: Papa_Smoke on July 08, 2013, 08:15:38 AM
My 40' USB extender works GREAT but I suspect it during lightning storms. It does tend to make the camera go to black (I THINK this is the problem). You once said you MAY have a work-around rather than a complete reboot. ????
I found a -3 (not -2) diopter in an old camera bag (I am a hoarder of cameras and electronic stuff). I have been wanting to try it out on the C920. Built a bit of a housing for it but have been waiting for anything other than the grey skies we have had for weeks. Ah....Ohio!!!
Finally, they say the native IS 1080i for the C920.
Thanks, Cutty the Cam Man!!!
Post by: Cutty Sark Sailor on July 08, 2013, 09:54:06 AM
Cutty - I have been cracking up over this thread. When we first began chatting about it, I never realized you would need to set up a completely new area of the forum. Actually, this is something that should be done because it seems everyone has a learning curve with cams.Welll, always remember, we've been discussing a very tiny microcosm of 'cams' and have kinda oriented ourselves toward one or two particular aspects. Some of these folks have very elaborate, hi tech setups, and really know what they're talking about.
My 40' USB extender works GREAT but I suspect it during lightning storms. It does tend to make the camera go to black (I THINK this is the problem). You once said you MAY have a work-around rather than a complete reboot. ????
I found a -3 (not -2) diopter in an old camera bag (I am a hoarder of cameras and electronic stuff). I have been wanting to try it out on the C920. Built a bit of a housing for it but have been waiting for anything other than the grey skies we have had for weeks. Ah....Ohio!!!
Finally, they say the native IS 1080i for the C920.
Thanks, Cutty the Cam Man!!!
On that workaround... I can't remember right now what I was pursuing. I've developed an issue with my #1 pc that's irritating the tar out of me trying to resolve, so haven't been into this other stuff... If I ever come up for air, maybe I'll remember... :oops:
Post by: cospringswx on July 08, 2013, 01:29:39 PM
Post by: Cutty Sark Sailor on July 08, 2013, 05:03:10 PM
Again sorry for the hijack of this thread. Like I said I currently use an IP cam but know nothing about USB cams. That being said I will leave this thread alone and it may resume to the main topic. Thanks for the help that was given.:shock: :shock:
Huh? Are you kiddin? Aren't some IP's nearsighted also ;) ? Stick around, we learn from each other...! Already picked up info about other stuff... from non-usb-ers... :idea:
Post by: Papa_Smoke on July 08, 2013, 05:36:31 PM
Again sorry for the hijack of this thread. Like I said I currently use an IP cam but know nothing about USB cams. That being said I will leave this thread alone and it may resume to the main topic. Thanks for the help that was given.
I agree with Cutty Sark. Stick around. This is new territory and anything you can add or inquire about sets the wheels to turning. It is lots of fun learning from folks willing to share.
Post by: blizzardof78 on July 08, 2013, 06:08:30 PM
Post by: Cutty Sark Sailor on July 08, 2013, 06:58:03 PM
How do I feel by the end of the day ?
(Are you sad because you're on your own ?)
No, I get by with a little help from my friends,... =D>
Post by: JupiterJoe on September 15, 2013, 09:11:48 PM
Post by: Cienega32 on September 15, 2013, 11:07:16 PM
I just ordered a few of these "adjusters" after seeing the before & afters from you folks.
Thanks for the proof of concept and footwork Cutty Sark!
Post by: capeweather on September 24, 2013, 10:42:53 PM
I know what you mean about being a little softer. I have 2 C910's that weren't crisp and after installing each one with -2 diopter they came alive, even on USB 1.1. How did your 920 turn out? I've been considering them. Oh, the 2 cams I mentioned will be installed next week sometime so stay tuned to my cam page.
Thanks for this post guys. I just replaced my old 2mp Logitech Quickcam pro 9000 today with a Logitech c920 thinking that 15mp would improve it, and was bummed to see it was actually SOFTER than the 9000. I was looking to see about running a point and shoot camera up there, but now that I found this thread, I may not need to. I just ordered the -2 diopter that Cutty linked to and I'm looking forward to seeing the results! Maybe I'll put the 9000 on my front camera since the old Logitech sphere af is shot from the sun killing the sensor. I use WebcamXP 5 for the front camera to use it's pan and tilt options, and use the Weather Display camera software to run the roof camera because I like the realtime weather info overlay that it offers. Been running it for years with no problems, but I would love a sharper image. http://www.joe4speed.com/wxwebcam.php
Post by: Cutty Sark Sailor on September 24, 2013, 10:46:21 PM
What a sweet thread to stumble upon! I have 2 C600s, a 9000 Pro, C310, HD3000, a something else Logitech and out of all of them the old, cheap C600s are the best focus. Those are fine but the others pretty much suck for the long-range.Thanks. You guys should know we've had a lot of fun with this thread, and I'm tickled my flash of 'oh, duh' appears to have helped. That's what makes this board so interesting.
I just ordered a few of these "adjusters" after seeing the before & afters from you folks.
Thanks for the proof of concept and footwork Cutty Sark!
Was talking with Ryan out in Hays KS the other day... and we both felt the same way...most of us are all just hobbyists and from many backgrounds, but this board has such professional air, with just enough humor.
And the life experience and knowledge available... gosh... and all with a willingness to pass on and share... without patronizing, arrogance, or insults. The people on this forum are special...
Post by: cospringswx on September 24, 2013, 11:34:49 PM
Joe,
I know what you mean about being a little softer. I have 2 C910's that weren't crisp and after installing each one with -2 diopter they came alive, even on USB 1.1. How did your 920 turn out? I've been considering them. Oh, the 2 cams I mentioned will be installed next week sometime so stay tuned to my cam page.Thanks for this post guys. I just replaced my old 2mp Logitech Quickcam pro 9000 today with a Logitech c920 thinking that 15mp would improve it, and was bummed to see it was actually SOFTER than the 9000. I was looking to see about running a point and shoot camera up there, but now that I found this thread, I may not need to. I just ordered the -2 diopter that Cutty linked to and I'm looking forward to seeing the results! Maybe I'll put the 9000 on my front camera since the old Logitech sphere af is shot from the sun killing the sensor. I use WebcamXP 5 for the front camera to use it's pan and tilt options, and use the Weather Display camera software to run the roof camera because I like the realtime weather info overlay that it offers. Been running it for years with no problems, but I would love a sharper image. http://www.joe4speed.com/wxwebcam.php
How many cams will you have now? I'm willing to bet you have all directions covered?
Post by: capeweather on September 24, 2013, 11:42:49 PM
Post by: capeweather on September 24, 2013, 11:46:39 PM
What a sweet thread to stumble upon! I have 2 C600s, a 9000 Pro, C310, HD3000, a something else Logitech and out of all of them the old, cheap C600s are the best focus. Those are fine but the others pretty much suck for the long-range.Thanks. You guys should know we've had a lot of fun with this thread, and I'm tickled my flash of 'oh, duh' appears to have helped. That's what makes this board so interesting.
I just ordered a few of these "adjusters" after seeing the before & afters from you folks.
Thanks for the proof of concept and footwork Cutty Sark!
Was talking with Ryan out in Hays KS the other day... and we both felt the same way...most of us are all just hobbyists and from many backgrounds, but this board has such professional air, with just enough humor.
And the life experience and knowledge available... gosh... and all with a willingness to pass on and share... without patronizing, arrogance, or insults. The people on this forum are special...
Post by: blizzardof78 on September 29, 2013, 08:15:04 PM
Post by: Cutty Sark Sailor on September 29, 2013, 10:23:24 PM
I agree, without stumbling upon this thread my web camera(s) would still look like they need glasses and badly! LOL. The opinions and advice on the forum are priceless and I appreciate everyones opinions and advice everytime I log in. Thanks to everyone, and onward to the next topic!! =D>Ok. Next topic might be:
Hubble Fix and/or a Piscatorial Innovation... Check back about Tues Night or Wed Oct 1 or 2...
Mike
Post by: NeverDie on October 01, 2013, 03:38:12 PM
I've often wondered by webcams were so much less expensive than surveillance cameras even though webcams often have a lot more pixels. Maybe the near-sighted optics of webcams has something to do with it....
Great thread!
Post by: Cutty Sark Sailor on October 01, 2013, 05:19:08 PM
Are people here finding that even "auto-focus" webcams are near-sighted when it comes to looking from inside the house to things outdoors? Come to think of it, I wouldn't be surprised if an auto-focus webcam focused on the window screen instead of what's beyond it.... Short of doing the hubble fix, can the auto-focus on some webcams be "taken over" and forced to focus at longer distances?The little digitals for the most part are near-sighted, period. :!:
I've often wondered by webcams were so much less expensive than surveillance cameras even though webcams often have a lot more pixels. Maybe the near-sighted optics of webcams has something to do with it....
Great thread!
The Logitech USBs under general discussion are all 'auto focus'. We turn it off. Set for infinity! Otherwise, every time a bird flies by, or clouds come in and out, it'll go into hunt mode. I never had 'em focus on a window screen, but it does obscure the image, assuming I was close to the screen. We just put ours in some type of housing, and slap 'em up outside, typically with USB active extenders, for the most part.
The little cams are mechanically limited to a max focus range, generally about 3 meters or 10' or so. Even though they say 'infinity' sometimes.
On some, it may be possible to actually 'screw with' the lens assy, and adjust it out, but not all, the lenses are glued in place. And they're sometimes a bear to get apart. Don't recommend it.
Cheers!
Mike
Post by: Cutty Sark Sailor on October 01, 2013, 05:20:52 PM
Well... we're not fooling with that... they're not biting today... . :-(I agree, without stumbling upon this thread my web camera(s) would still look like they need glasses and badly! LOL. The opinions and advice on the forum are priceless and I appreciate everyones opinions and advice everytime I log in. Thanks to everyone, and onward to the next topic!! =D>Ok. Next topic might be:
Hubble Fix and/or a Piscatorial Innovation... Check back about Tues Night or Wed Oct 1 or 2...
Mike
Post by: Cienega32 on October 01, 2013, 07:07:35 PM
On some, it may be possible to actually 'screw with' the lens assy, and adjust it out, but not all, the lenses are glued in place. And they're sometimes a bear to get apart. Don't recommend it.
Cheers!
Mike
The old Logitech C600 cams were adjustable like that but the ones I have provide a good enough "landscape" focus it seems.
Post by: Cutty Sark Sailor on October 01, 2013, 07:46:21 PM
...a good enough "landscape" focus it seems."... a good enough "landscape" focus it seems." Oh, you humble guy! =D>
A bit more than 'good enough'... we should all strive for that quality. :-P What are you running? Gotta be something besides Lil' Loggies.
That may have been an old 600 I experimented with lens adjustments.... don't recall. I managed to kill it. :roll:
Cheers!
Mike
Post by: Cienega32 on October 02, 2013, 02:08:22 AM
I had 3 of the C600 Logitechs but one just up and died all together. I noticed the lens was adjustable after taking it all apart (just because).
Hopefully, I'll find some time to play with those diopters that came in the mail on the other cams (9000Pro, C310, HD3000). Those really need some help.
Post by: 4wd on October 02, 2013, 07:43:03 AM
In theory you could change it to a wider or narrower option.
An additional lens in front might help with getting a wider angle though.
Post by: capeweather on October 03, 2013, 10:19:19 PM
http://forums.opensuse.org/english/get-technical-help-here/hardware/463911-logitech-hd-pro-webcam-c910-can-not-focus-infinity.html
Post by: capeweather on October 04, 2013, 12:01:02 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=94lDYZgihT4
Post by: 4wd on October 04, 2013, 01:00:35 PM
It doesn't look like you can turn it at first, there is no knurling or other indication.
However if you keep turning the black lens surround anti-clockwise it will come right out and you can see the sensor below.
So by turning it just a little you can make a big difference to the focus either for infinity or say you wanted to look at something just outside.
This cam is much like Foscam and several others.
There's nothing inside to be scared of unless you pull a wire loose.
(http://s6.postimg.org/l657i1ipt/IMG_0777.jpg)
(http://s6.postimg.org/m0c6gw35t/IMG_3071.jpg)
Post by: NeverDie on October 04, 2013, 02:10:04 PM
Another good thread...
http://forums.opensuse.org/english/get-technical-help-here/hardware/463911-logitech-hd-pro-webcam-c910-can-not-focus-infinity.html
That link suggests the preferred correction is -2.5 diopter. People here are using -2 diopter. Generally speaking, which is better, I wonder? Anyone here tried -2.5 diopter for comparison?
Post by: Cutty Sark Sailor on October 04, 2013, 06:32:56 PM
Too much, and you get some edge distortion on some cams, I noticed.
I'd say whatever suits, and probably anything -2 to -4 though -4 might be a bit much.
Unfortunately, those Loggies are a bear to disassemble without dynamite, to try lens twisting... wasn't worth the effort to me... the lens mounted with a wire harness as illustrated way back up in the thread was a lot simpler for the Nikons I obtained....
Mike
Post by: capeweather on October 12, 2013, 01:19:43 PM
http://www.capeweather.com/burnt-store-marina-webcam.html
http://www.capeweather.com/charlotte-harbor-webcam-punta-gorda.html
Post by: Cienega32 on October 12, 2013, 01:54:25 PM
Too bad you don't have any decent views to utilize... :roll:
Post by: capeweather on October 12, 2013, 02:16:01 PM
Looks great, Chris! Pretty good for 112 feet.
Too bad you don't have any decent views to utilize... :roll:
Post by: blizzardof78 on November 07, 2013, 05:26:58 PM
I recently upgraded my webcam at my Newcomerstown location from a LT 520 to a LT C920. I'm using the WebcamXP program to upload my pics to my web site.
A short time (within 24 hours) after putting everything into place, the camera shut off but the WebcamXP program continued to update, giving you the illusion that the photo was updating as well, but it wasn't. In other words the time stamp changed as it was expected, but the photo was static. Then I checked the camera and the power lights were off.
Wednesday I went to try and fix the problem. Got the camera back online for about 24 hours and again it shut off.
The computer is a Gateway with Windows XP in it. Any ideas? I'm about to go in search of a refurbished unit and just reinstall everything on it which includes the new Davis Vue program along with the Weather Link program and WUHU. HELP!!!
Don in Ohio
Post by: Cutty Sark Sailor on November 07, 2013, 06:17:52 PM
A short time (within 24 hours) after putting everything into place, the camera shut off but the WebcamXP program continued to update, giving you the illusion that the photo was updating as well, but it wasn't. In other words the time stamp changed as it was expected, but the photo was static. Then I checked the camera and the power lights were off.Hey, Don...
Wednesday I went to try and fix the problem. Got the camera back online for about 24 hours and again it shut off.
The computer is a Gateway with Windows XP in it. Any ideas? I'm about to go in search of a refurbished unit and just reinstall everything on it which includes the new Davis Vue program along with the Weather Link program and WUHU. HELP!!!
Don in Ohio
I noticed on the old machine, which drives cam 4, that any interruption of power to the cam would cause Webcam XP/7 to 'lose it', and have to be reconnected once physical connection re-established. The cam 4 machine is an old HP 820 originally XP, upgraded to Win 7, and I think the old video and/or drivers don't like an interrupted connection... new drivers aren't available for WIN7 for that hardware. WebcamXP/7 would lose the camera and have to be reconnected. If it was a momentary power shut down or machine restart on that computer, it required a restart of the Logitech program, and WebcamXP/7.
Matter of fact, I bought another license for VNC so I could restart it remotely at night when I was working.
Windows XP also did not like more than 4 usb connections in use at one time, causing me grief years ago before I found that little tidbit buried in some Microsoft Trivia.
I don't remember if you're using powered extenders, but I'd check them, especially the connection plugs, or any USB hub you're using.
About the only consistent issue I've had is with the old 820 caused by a poor plug connection between 2 active extenders on my 4th cam. That particular plug, I had left 'unsealed', because it had to be disconnected weekly for grass mowing... cable ran across the yard. It caused the same symptoms you describe.
The newer Wx Pc with it's 3 cams and Win 7 usually will reconnect fine after a camera unplug, after a few moments.
I doubt the problem is in your machine, per se, or the camera. More likely connections.
Cheers!
Mike
Post by: blizzardof78 on November 07, 2013, 06:23:56 PM
Post by: blizzardof78 on November 07, 2013, 06:44:16 PM
Quote
Hey, Don...
I noticed on the old machine, which drives cam 4, that any interruption of power to the cam would cause Webcam XP/7 to 'lose it', and have to be reconnected once physical connection re-established. The cam 4 machine is an old HP 820 originally XP, upgraded to Win 7, and I think the old video and/or drivers don't like an interrupted connection... new drivers aren't available for WIN7 for that hardware. WebcamXP/7 would lose the camera and have to be reconnected. If it was a momentary power shut down or machine restart on that computer, it required a restart of the Logitech program, and WebcamXP/7.
Matter of fact, I bought another license for VNC so I could restart it remotely at night when I was working.
Windows XP also did not like more than 4 usb connections in use at one time, causing me grief years ago before I found that little tidbit buried in some Microsoft Trivia.
I don't remember if you're using powered extenders, but I'd check them, especially the connection plugs, or any USB hub you're using.
Cheers!
Mike
I reread your reply a couple more times.
As often as the power goes out or flickers at Newcomerstown, it would not surprise me if that were a problem.
The new computer (new to me, possibly purchasing from my sister) is a Windows 7 unit with 6 USB hubs from HP. You mentioned above you didn't think new drivers were available for that hardware. By 'that hardware' are you talking about the C920 camera? I'll enclose an attachment but on the Logitech C920 Technical Specs it says "OS Support (at release) Windows XP x32 / x64, Windows Vista x32 / x64, Windows 7 x32 / x64".
I do have one of those USB additions on my laptop now. It only has 2 USB hubs; the extender makes it a total of 5. The original two are in use and two of the hubs on the extender are in use.
Don in Ohio
Post by: Cutty Sark Sailor on November 07, 2013, 07:04:11 PM
I was referring to 4 USB devices connected to the computer, with the older windows. Actually, the limit may have been 5, I don't remember for sure...something like that.. A powered USB hub connected would only be '1" device... a 'passive' hub's connections would count in the limit, if you follow me. You can fill up all the ports on the newer Win7 you're looking at. Matter of fact, you can probably add PCI, or PCI Express USB 3 ports... I did on mine for hard drives. :-) (BTW the Logitech cams are only USB2, so USB3 is over-tech but they'll work on USB3... you wouldn't gain any benefit however. It's possible that 2 of those USB's on your Sis's HP may be USB 3... and will sing with USB 3 externals attached.
As often as the power goes out or flickers at Newcomerstown, it would not surprise me if that were a problem.
The new computer (new to me, possibly purchasing from my sister) is a Windows 7 unit with 6 USB hubs from HP. You mentioned above you didn't think new drivers were available for that hardware. By 'that hardware' are you talking about the C920 camera? I'll enclose an attachment but on the Logitech C920 Technical Specs it says "OS Support (at release) Windows XP x32 / x64, Windows Vista x32 / x64, Windows 7 x32 / x64".
I do have one of those USB additions on my laptop now. It only has 2 USB hubs; the extender makes it a total of 5. The original two are in use and two of the hubs on the extender are in use.
Don in Ohio
The graphics drivers I was referring to would be for the Dell XP machine. I cannot say for sure about yours, but they were not available for a handful of older Dells if was upgrading for the drug rehab where I worked...
"As often as the power goes out or flickers at Newcomerstown, it would not surprise me if that were a problem." Oh yeah... :-P
That might not be as big an issue with a newer machine and the same software.
Cheers!
Post by: blizzardof78 on November 07, 2013, 07:52:47 PM
I was referring to 4 USB devices connected to the computer, with the older windows. Actually, the limit may have been 5, I don't remember for sure...something like that.. A powered USB hub connected would only be '1" device... a 'passive' hub's connections would count in the limit, if you follow me. You can fill up all the ports on the newer Win7 you're looking at. Matter of fact, you can probably add PCI, or PCI Express USB 3 ports... I did on mine for hard drives. :-) (BTW the Logitech cams are only USB2, so USB3 is over-tech but they'll work on USB3... you wouldn't gain any benefit however. It's possible that 2 of those USB's on your Sis's HP may be USB 3... and will sing with USB 3 externals attached.
As often as the power goes out or flickers at Newcomerstown, it would not surprise me if that were a problem.
The new computer (new to me, possibly purchasing from my sister) is a Windows 7 unit with 6 USB hubs from HP. You mentioned above you didn't think new drivers were available for that hardware. By 'that hardware' are you talking about the C920 camera? I'll enclose an attachment but on the Logitech C920 Technical Specs it says "OS Support (at release) Windows XP x32 / x64, Windows Vista x32 / x64, Windows 7 x32 / x64".
I do have one of those USB additions on my laptop now. It only has 2 USB hubs; the extender makes it a total of 5. The original two are in use and two of the hubs on the extender are in use.
Don in Ohio
The graphics drivers I was referring to would be for the Dell XP machine. I cannot say for sure about yours, but they were not available for a handful of older Dells if was upgrading for the drug rehab where I worked...
"As often as the power goes out or flickers at Newcomerstown, it would not surprise me if that were a problem." Oh yeah... :-P
That might not be as big an issue with a newer machine and the same software.
Cheers!
Hi Mike... I understand now. Got it!! I'm supposed to have the computer tomorrow for hook up at my Newcomerstown location. Let's hope all goes well. I'll keep you posted as you know I will!! :grin: Thanks for your expertise.
Don in Ohio
Post by: Cutty Sark Sailor on November 07, 2013, 10:19:34 PM
[! :grin: Thanks for your expertise.I dunno 'bout 'expertise', ... been wrong (once) or very confused (4 or 5 times)... I used to be perfect, but then I started following this forum, and I got well really fast. :roll: =D>
Don in Ohio
WxForum is one fine place to hang out, learn, and never be patronized. A bunch of fine people hang out here... .
Mike
Post by: Cienega32 on November 08, 2013, 08:46:20 PM
Anyway, I could never get the cams to be recognized thru a powered hub on that computer and constantly battled with a dropped cam or two. After upgrading my hardware, the problem stopped.
One thing that did help somewhat was cleaning out the USB reservation table with this utility called USBView: http://www.nirsoft.net/utils/usb_devices_view.html
and allowing the cams to reinstall the USB positions on reboot without any other previously installed devices showing (other than the needed ones, KB & mouse). Every time a device gets plugged in, unplugged and replugged into another port, it will have multiple entries in the USB table.
In my case, with the Oly cams, I believe it was a power issue with the USB ports being unable to maintain a working level for whatever reason with multiple cams. The problems ended with a more up-to-date computer that allows the cams to be run thru a powered hub as well.
Post by: blizzardof78 on November 09, 2013, 07:20:21 PM
Don in Ohio
www.ohiowx.com
Post by: Cutty Sark Sailor on November 09, 2013, 08:02:22 PM
So this afternoon around 12:45 eastern time, my brother in law and sister met me at my Newcomerstown location (my moms house). They had a HP all in one computer that had a new hard drive in it along with MS Windows 7. After getting things in order, then installing WUHU, Davis Weatherlink, WebcamXP, Logitech C920 drivers and software I was finally back on line 100%. So far the main issue, the web camera shutting down, has been non existent. In fact I noticed a remarkable increase in speed on this new (to me) computer from internet work, downloading from the internet and so on. Knock on wood it all seems to be working just fine! \:D/=D>
Don in Ohio
www.ohiowx.com
Post by: capeweather on November 11, 2013, 07:13:01 PM
Thank you for providing this utility. I was having a problem with one usb LOG910 cam never syncing up on reboot no matter where it was installed. Then after a while it was both cams that would never respond. Ran the utility and there were about 45 entries in the table all pointing to the webcams I had on the PC (what a mess!). Cleared all the entries, rebooted, let them reinstall, and Voilŕ...Both cams came up and started running smooth again. Thanks again for sharing!
I had many problems running cams on an old Dell GX620 w/ XP Pro - Oly C4000z under VM95. One problem was as described - no actual picture update but VM95 would continue to upload the image.
Anyway, I could never get the cams to be recognized thru a powered hub on that computer and constantly battled with a dropped cam or two. After upgrading my hardware, the problem stopped.
One thing that did help somewhat was cleaning out the USB reservation table with this utility called USBView: http://www.nirsoft.net/utils/usb_devices_view.html
and allowing the cams to reinstall the USB positions on reboot without any other previously installed devices showing (other than the needed ones, KB & mouse). Every time a device gets plugged in, unplugged and replugged into another port, it will have multiple entries in the USB table.
In my case, with the Oly cams, I believe it was a power issue with the USB ports being unable to maintain a working level for whatever reason with multiple cams. The problems ended with a more up-to-date computer that allows the cams to be run thru a powered hub as well.
Post by: Cienega32 on November 12, 2013, 01:36:18 AM
Pat,
Thank you for providing this utility. I was having a problem with one usb LOG910 cam never syncing up on reboot no matter where it was installed. Then after a while it was both cams that would never respond. Ran the utility and there were about 45 entries in the table all pointing to the webcams I had on the PC (what a mess!). Cleared all the entries, rebooted, let them reinstall, and Voilŕ...Both cams came up and started running smooth again. Thanks again for sharing!
Glad it worked out for you and straightened things out. It's been a great help to me in the past and I know exactly what you mean about that bloated table. On one machine, I really had to scratch my head over a few entries. They were so long ago with stuff I haven't had for years I couldn't remember even owning them.
Post by: capeweather on November 14, 2013, 01:38:55 AM
PC- Dell gx620 usff / 2.8G dual core / 4G mem
Windows 7 OS
2 Logitech C910 HD Cams
iogear guc61 ethernet extender to each cam
100' cat 6 shielded / foil wrapped cables to each cam
Powered usb hub for each cam
The strange thing is both cams will remain completely stable over night and then once the sun comes up, cam2 will drop out. Cam1 remains completely stable throughout the day. I've swapped out all the hardware to isolate. Moved the extenders to both sides. Tried different ports on the pc itself. Added usb powered hubs. Replaced cameras. Reinstalled Logitech software. I even tried a bare install with the drivers only. The issue remains.
I'm wondering if this is a bandwidth issue on the usb bus? Seems ok at night with very little data but once daylight comes up the size of the images are much larger (approx 75%). I've tried reducing the quality of the images being streamed but that didn't seem to make a difference either.
Looking for suggestions if anyone has an idea. My single cam systems work flawless.
Re
Pat,
Thank you for providing this utility. I was having a problem with one usb LOG910 cam never syncing up on reboot no matter where it was installed. Then after a while it was both cams that would never respond. Ran the utility and there were about 45 entries in the table all pointing to the webcams I had on the PC (what a mess!). Cleared all the entries, rebooted, let them reinstall, and Voilŕ...Both cams came up and started running smooth again. Thanks again for sharing!
Glad it worked out for you and straightened things out. It's been a great help to me in the past and I know exactly what you mean about that bloated table. On one machine, I really had to scratch my head over a few entries. They were so long ago with stuff I haven't had for years I couldn't remember even owning them.
Post by: Cienega32 on November 16, 2013, 04:04:47 AM
The Olys would drop when nite came and they were working more for exposure sake in the dark. With the quick, auto focus during the day, the problem was minimal if at all. Can't remember but I think the Logitechs would be occasionally be problematic during the day but I may have written that off to being underpowered graphics under BlueIris and the onboard video of the old Dell. The new machine runs 3 Olys and 3 Logitechs off of a 7 port powered hub without issue.
I also run two Olys on an old (2004) HP DV1000 and have an occasional drop on the furthest of the two after 6 or 7 days or so with or without a powered hub to it. Stopping the VM95 and resetting the USB cable always fixes it which makes me convinced it's something in the older USB bus or drivers or if the inclusion of USB 3.0 in the newer machines helps.
Like you, I suspect it's a weakness in the USB source - whether or not it's an age or basic design allocation problem I wouldn't know where to start to look but updating my hardware did the trick for me. I just don't think they were expected to power and control so many higher end devices back then.
I'm wondering if this is a bandwidth issue on the usb bus? Seems ok at night with very little data but once daylight comes up the size of the images are much larger (approx 75%). I've tried reducing the quality of the images being streamed but that didn't seem to make a difference either.
Looking for suggestions if anyone has an idea. My single cam systems work flawless.
Post by: Cutty Sark Sailor on November 16, 2013, 07:30:30 AM
My problems ended when I ditched the GX620s. Mine were only 3G P4s hyperthread. My thinking was that is was in the USB bus being underpowered for more than one cam when I used the Olys. BlueIris running the Logitechs would struggle but I had the Olys running on that as well. The other GX620 only had the Olys. But again - problem ended with a newer machine. USB 3.0 on the new one so perhaps it supplied a little more for these cameras as well?Yow! Some good stuff here lately-- !! And I'm recovering from a really weird ISP experience from Wed at 5pm to Friday about 3 pm...
The Olys would drop when nite came and they were working more for exposure sake in the dark. With the quick, auto focus during the day, the problem was minimal if at all. Can't remember but I think the Logitechs would be occasionally be problematic during the day but I may have written that off to being underpowered graphics under BlueIris and the onboard video of the old Dell. The new machine runs 3 Olys and 3 Logitechs off of a 7 port powered hub without issue.
I also run two Olys on an old (2004) HP DV1000 and have an occasional drop on the furthest of the two after 6 or 7 days or so with or without a powered hub to it. Stopping the VM95 and resetting the USB cable always fixes it which makes me convinced it's something in the older USB bus or drivers or if the inclusion of USB 3.0 in the newer machines helps.
Like you, I suspect it's a weakness in the USB source - whether or not it's an age or basic design allocation problem I wouldn't know where to start to look but updating my hardware did the trick for me. I just don't think they were expected to power and control so many higher end devices back then.
I'm wondering if this is a bandwidth issue on the usb bus? Seems ok at night with very little data but once daylight comes up the size of the images are much larger (approx 75%). I've tried reducing the quality of the images being streamed but that didn't seem to make a difference either.
Looking for suggestions if anyone has an idea. My single cam systems work flawless.
( http://www.wxforum.net/index.php?topic=20744.msg199351#msg199351 ](*,) )
USB 2 vrs USB 3 Here's a quick comparison link:
http://www.diffen.com/difference/USB_2.0_vs_USB_3.0
Note that "USB 3.0 provides better speed and more efficient power management than USB 2.0. USB 3.0 is backward compatible with USB 2.0 devices; however, data transfer speeds are limited to USB 2.0 levels when these devices inter-operate. " The Logitechs are USB 2 devices. Probably also the Olys?
But you do have more power available for devices, 900ma as opposed to 500ma for USB 2.
Known or suspected causes of dropout, and software hangups:
1 Using wireless network (machine to router/modem) connection, rather than Ethernet cable. :!:
2 Experience has shown me that allowing the cameras to AutoFocus appears to cause more issues than it's worth, so mine are all in manual. Especially with critters'n'cobwebs, raindrops, snow, ice, fog, clouds, blowing debris, vehicle headlights... . Some extra loading on power and data, I suppose.
3 Note also that some hardware/software does not do as well with automatic exposure, briteness etc, as other lashups, but I run mine in auto.
4 The Logitech 'anti-flicker' causes issues, weird ones, so mine are also set to 'off'.
5 (still mulling this one: ) The Loggie C920, with WC7 or WC7 XP does not appear to enjoy outputting a 720p or 1080I source at a 4/3 ratio specifically 'cropping' to 800x600px. The software/hardware loses Horizontal interlace/sync, and eventually will drop the camera. This does not appear to be a camera issue, or a specific machine issue, but is perhaps more related to software, or video graphics drivers in whatever machine. Not all machines do that.
6 Machine processing capabilities. The old HP 820 driving my cam 4 will handle one and only one camera satisfactorily with my software at the resolutions I want. Period. But it does it fairly well at the 800x600, excepting the 800x600 mentioned above. A newer ACER machine handles more cams, but again the 4/3 ratio issue. NONE of my newer HP machines have issues with 4/3 circumstances.
The HP s5510f machine does 3 C920 cams on a powered USB 2hub at 1024x576px extremely well, but begins to bog down and overheat with a 4th. But then, its uploading 1024x576 stills, processing VWS from the Vue on TCP, uploading all that good stuff to the host server's Saratoga Scripts, Wunderground RapidFire, WxFlash, APRS, WxGraphics Banner, etc., while feeding three 1024x576 streams when asked, and managing to allow about 5-8 connections w/ 3-5 FPS on those streams. Intranet connections get 15-24fps as does a single fast Internet connection to a single cam. That ain't too shabby for a $350 slimline IMO... ;)
7 Not using active USB extenders for runs over about 16'. Each of my 4 cams are using 3 powered (active) USB extensions, and usb2 versions will do quite well, thank you. That's 100' runs.
8 Allowing your machine to run any autoupdates that require restarting may cause you to awaken with strange cam issues.
9 Ditto for momentary power line flickers, and allowing the machine to hibernate or sleep.
10 And finally, the run-of-the-mill issues such as connections, faulty cables, small children, spouses, and pets.
Mike
Post by: capeweather on November 16, 2013, 07:38:33 PM
http://www.earthcam.com/topten.php
Post by: ws vreewijk on December 07, 2013, 11:11:29 AM
First of all this topic is amazing,always had the feeling someting was wrong with my cam
Now I know why.
My question I have a pro 9000 running and reveived from a friend a diopter -4
Did someone tried -4 on a logitech already?
Cheers Chris
Post by: Cutty Sark Sailor on December 07, 2013, 11:24:41 AM
The 9000 is a great little cam... used one as my webcam for about 3 years.. It's still mounted, still works, doesn't have the diopter mod, and I've been too lazy to move it and adapt it.
Have fun! Slap the -4 temporarily across your cam, and see what happens! If it's not cool, -3s were still available awhile ago on Amazon... the -2s are pretty hard to come by, since this thread started. :roll:
Cheers!
Mike
Post by: ws vreewijk on December 07, 2013, 11:32:58 AM
Thanks for your quic reply.
As I looked at your first photo's I was exited about the results.
I posted your findings on the Dutch weather forum right after reading.
Ok lets play with them as you suggested and than I will see
.
For people that visit my webpage please note it is a windows stream so you need a plug in for some brouwser.
Hope to find a solution for a stream visible on al brouwsers and android and apple soon.
Keep you guys updated about the results wit the -4
Cheers Chris
Post by: Cutty Sark Sailor on December 07, 2013, 12:27:05 PM
CrossBrowser:
I Use Webcam XP/Webcam7 to drive my cams. Until a month ago, I didn't take into account that Apples, e.g. wouldn't show the flashmpeg on the site. Just didn't occur to me. Now, the nice thing about it, I use SWFobject to embed the streams. When Greg out in Kansas mentioned they didn't work on his Ipod, etc., I simply added code within the cam DIV that sources the Javascript Jpeg stream from Webcam 7. If the connecting device has flash capability, SWFobjects writes the flash. Otherwise, the accessing device should get the Javascript Jpeg stream.
Code: [Select]
<div id="camtwo">
<span style="color:#ff0000;font-size:1.3em">Your browser or system cannot render the Flash Stream, or Javascript is disabled.
<br />Trying to access alternate stream version. Javascript <b>must</b> be enabled for any stream display.</span>
<img src="http://xxx/xxx/xxx/xxx/loading.jpg" class="webcam" id="webcam2" onmousedown="PTZMouseDown2(event)" width="1024" height="576" alt="Live Stream" />
<script type="text/javascript" src="dual2.js"></script>
</div>
And the (dual2.js) code for non-flash access isCode: [Select]
currentCamera2= 2;
errorimg2= 0;
document.images.webcam2.onload = DoIt2;
document.images.webcam2.onerror = ErrorImage2;
function LoadImage2()
{
uniq2 = Math.random();
document.images.webcam2.src = "http://xxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxxxxxx/cam_" + currentCamera2 + ".jpg?uniq="+uniq2;
document.images.webcam2.onload = DoIt2;
}
function PTZMouseDown2(e)
{
var IE = document.all?true:false;
var x,y;
var myx,myy;
var myifr = document.getElementById("_iframe-ptz");
tp = getElPos2();
myx = tp[0];
myy = tp[1];
if(IE){
var scrollX = document.documentElement.scrollLeft ? document.documentElement.scrollLeft : document.body.scrollLeft;
var scrollY = document.documentElement.scrollTop ? document.documentElement.scrollTop : document.body.scrollTop;
x = event.clientX - myx + scrollX;
y = event.clientY - myy + scrollY;
} else {
x = e.pageX - myx;
y = e.pageY - myy;
}
if ((width_array[currentCamera2] != null) && (width_array[currentCamera2] > 0)) x = Math.round((x * 400) / width_array[currentCamera2]);
if ((height_array[currentCamera2] != null) && (height_array[currentCamera2] > 0)) y = Math.round((y * 300) / height_array[currentCamera2]);
if (x > 400) x = 400;
if (y > 300) y = 300;
if (myifr != null) myifr.src = "http://xxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxxxxxx/ptz?src=" + currentCamera2 + "&moveto_x=" + x + "&moveto_y=" + y +"";
return true;
}
function getElPos2()
{
el = document.images.webcam2;
x = el.offsetLeft;
y = el.offsetTop;
elp = el.offsetParent;
while(elp!=null)
{ x+=elp.offsetLeft;
y+=elp.offsetTop;
elp=elp.offsetParent;
}
return new Array(x,y);
}
function ErrorImage2()
{
errorimg2++;
if (errorimg2>3){
document.images.webcam2.onload = "";
document.images.webcam2.onerror = "";
document.images.webcam2.src = "offline.jpg";
}else{
uniq2 = Math.random();
document.images.webcam2.src = "http://xxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxxxxxx/cam_" + currentCamera2 + ".jpg?uniq="+uniq2;
}
}
function DoIt2()
{
errorimg2=0;
window.setTimeout("LoadImage2();", 40);
}
If the accessing device is flash capable, then "hcstream2.js" calls SWFobject simply overwrites the whole DIV content (in this eg. div id 'camtwo'Code: [Select]
var so = new SWFObject("http://xxxxxxxx.xxx.xxxx.xxxx/flashMJPEG.swf", "hollycam", "1024", "576", "6", "#000000");
so.addVariable("variable", "varvalue");
so.addParam("movie", "http://xxxxxxxx.xxx.xxxx.xxxx/flashMJPEG.swf?webcam=http://xxxxxxxx.xxx.xxxx.xxxx/cam_2.jpg&refresh=10&connect=&offline=&transtype=Fade&bgcolor=#000000&txtcolor=#FFFFFF");
so.addParam("FlashVars", "webcam=http://xxxxxxxx.xxx.xxxx.xxxx/cam_2.jpg&refresh=10&connect=&offline=&transtype=Fade&bgcolor=#000000&txtcolor=#FFFFFF");
so.addParam("quality", "best");
so.addParam("scale", "noscale");
so.addParam("wmode", "opaque");
so.addParam("salign", "lt");
so.addParam("align", "top");
so.write("camtwo");
Post by: ws vreewijk on December 08, 2013, 04:56:38 AM
Thanks for the compliment :-)
Not mention your site as I like it a lot the solution of showing the snowhight by cam is perfect.
Ok so Iám not allone with this problem,there is no perfect solution yet even html5 is not supported by every system or brouwser,I looked at Unreal server and Unrealmedia server but its not easy to get this running.
Right now I use webcam capture BUT made it loose from weather display so it is running separate,it produces mms stream,I will post my very simple script do you think I can add the java part too ????
As java is shown on my android tablet perfectly,unfortunate a program like Yaw cam what is running on java is not a perfect stream it is always showing with minor delays and not real live.
Here is my script is this possible to modify ????
Thanks in advance krgds Chris
<!-- FireFox: type="application/x-ms-wmp" MSIE: type="application/x-oleobject " -->
<p>
<object id="NSPlay" classid="CLSID:22D6F312-B0F6-11D0-94AB-0080C74C7E95" width="454" height="340" codebase="http://activex.microsoft.com/activex/controls/mplayer/en/nsmp2inf.cab#Version=5,1,52,701" standby="Loading Microsoft Windows Media Player components..." type="application/x-oleobject">
< param name="FileName" value="mms:///my site:portnumber" />
<param name="ShowControls" value="0" />
<param name="stretchtofit" value="1" />
< param name="ShowDisplay" value="0" />
<param name="volume" value="0" />
<param name="enableContextMenu" value="false" />
<param name="mute" value="1" />
< param name="ShowStatusBar" value="0" />
<param name="AutoSize" value="1" />
</object>
<object id="FireFox" width="494" height="435" type="application/x-ms-wmp">
< param name="URL" value="mms:///my site:portnumber" />
<param name="ShowTracker" value="false" />
<param name="ShowControls" value="false" />
< param name="enableContextMenu" value="false" />
<param name="ShowGotoBar" value="false" />
<param name="ShowDisplay" value="false" />
< param name="ShowStatusBar" value="false" />
<param name="volume" value="0" />
<param name="mute" value="1" />
<param name="enabled" value="false" />
< param name="AutoSize" value="true" />
<param name="StretchToFit" value="true" /> <a></a> <!--MSIE workaround-->
</object>
</p>
< p style="text-align: center;"><a href="http://port25.technet.com/pages/windows-media-player-firefox-plugin-download.aspx" target="_blank">Plugin Firefox</a></p>
Post by: Cutty Sark Sailor on December 08, 2013, 07:06:40 AM
Right now I use webcam capture BUT made it loose from weather display so it is running separate,it produces mms stream,I will post my very simple script do you think I can add the java part too ????:oops: I'm not a real coder... but there are a bunch on this forum! I borrow and innovate a lot, however,... I can think of several possibilities, however, but others will no doubt post and respond with their solutions and favorites.
As java is shown on my android tablet perfectly,unfortunate a program like Yaw cam what is running on java is not a perfect stream it is always showing with minor delays and not real live.
I'm only vaguely familiar with Yawcam, though I did try it way back when, before I settled on Webcam7/XP, which many of us with Logitechs and similar cams use. The beauty of WC7 is that it has it's own server, with flashmjpeg,native mjpeg,or javascript streams available simply by changing an address in the webpage code. WC7 even generates the code for you. It does all the work of driving the streams, and uploading stills at the same time, among other things. My cams 1,2,and 3 run from the same WC7 installation, with the Snowcam 4 on an older machine by itself.
My code is nothing more than slightly modified versions of the WC7 generated code. And it begins by sourcing the free SWFobject script for flash embedding, rather than using the 'standard' flash code'. It seems that having the two stream versions I'm deriving from WC7 is covering most of the browsers currently, but I cannot prove that 100%. .... for those without flash, the javascript stream works. If the visitor disables javascript, then they just can't see the live streams. That's one reason for the stills every ten seconds. I make no attempt to please everyone... I don't have the budget. Or the bandwidth.
WC7/XP has a free version, with a handful of limitations, that many use. Why not try that and if you decide to 'upgrade'... go all the way to the 'pro' version. Once past the learning curve, most folks appear to be satisfied with it. http://webcamxp.com/home.aspx (http://webcamxp.com/home.aspx)
Sit back a day or two, and give some of the folks a chance to respond here, ... you might also go into your profile settings and set them to allow others to send personal messages, so the quick message icon displays under your avatar... a lot of solutions and help goes on 'off board', with pm, email, and even phone calls and video hookups... no telling how long this thread would be otherwise... #-o
Cheers!
Mike
Post by: ws vreewijk on December 08, 2013, 09:54:14 AM
Ok thanks for the hints,I know a little about webcam xp from the passt and one of my weather friends always had problems,but this was for shure with one of the earlyst versions about 4 years ago.
Meanwhile they have lot of improvements so I have a look at it.
And Iám not a star in coding also and always need some help or...... almost ready scripts or borrow it.
Meanwhile I took de two -4 camera lens appart and suprice inside 4 lenses some thin some thick .....mmmm I have to figure out if I can use one of them.
So one heavy week in front and after that I have some extra free time till the new year starts....so time to try things out.
I will monitor here from time to time.
Cheers Chris
Post by: ws vreewijk on December 11, 2013, 12:25:17 PM
To copy your system do I need?
Webcamxp or wecam7 or does it not make a differance.
Cheers Chris
Post by: cospringswx on December 11, 2013, 01:39:59 PM
One more question MIke,
To copy your system do I need?
Webcamxp or wecam7 or does it not make a differance.
Cheers Chris
They are pretty much the same. I prefer WC7 though. I use WC7 for my DLink 932L with no issues.
Post by: Cutty Sark Sailor on December 11, 2013, 01:41:07 PM
One more question MIke,I'd suggest downloading and trying the free version of WebcamXP, and if it suits, I'd jump right to the WC7 Pro... it includes the all XP features, plus several other features, including the DVR capability. I use WC7 Pro, but several others are using the Private, and Free versions. You'll need one of the paid versions to be able to remove the logo, and a few other things...
To copy your system do I need?
Webcamxp or wecam7 or does it not make a differance.
Cheers Chris
Post by: ws vreewijk on December 11, 2013, 01:50:34 PM
Ok thanks for the advice, first I will play a little with the free version,and this will give ma an idea how the program works.
Hope there are no crusial parts missing , I will create a stream on one of my subpages and will see.
krds Chris
Post by: W3DRM on December 11, 2013, 01:52:22 PM
Does WebcamXP/7 have the capability of inserting current weather data on the webcam images like Image Salsa or Movie Salsa? It appears that you are using Flash for your webcam images and have the weather data at the bottom of the image. I've used both IS and MS for many years but am looking for something that will allow me to use more than one camera. I'm currently running VWS as I believe you are. I have a Logitech Quickcam Fusion that also has the problem with poor distance clarity...
Post by: piconut on December 11, 2013, 03:34:48 PM
I've used both IS and MS for many years but am looking for something that will allow me to use more than one camera.
Hey Don...
Image Salsa 2 allows more than one camera. It says it is a beta version but I have never had any hiccups with it running a couple cameras. http://www.imagesalsa.com/download.htm (http://www.imagesalsa.com/download.htm)
Post by: Cutty Sark Sailor on December 11, 2013, 04:37:55 PM
Mike,Both Flash MJPEG and Javascript streams are available on my pages. A device that's flash capable will play the flash MJPEG stream - if flash isn't available, the device should automatically receive the Javascript Jpeg streaming. If they have no javascript, they're out of luck in either regard. Sorry.
Does WebcamXP/7 have the capability of inserting current weather data on the webcam images like Image Salsa or Movie Salsa? It appears that you are using Flash for your webcam images and have the weather data at the bottom of the image. I've used both IS and MS for many years but am looking for something that will allow me to use more than one camera. I'm currently running VWS as I believe you are. I have a Logitech Quickcam Fusion that also has the problem with poor distance clarity...
No extra software is required on my weather server... WC7 generates both streams as needed. Additionally a 'Native MJPEG' stream could be called.
I believe the Free version of WCXP limits to 4 video sources: IP, PCI, USB, (WDM) or stored movies, in any combination. The WC7Pro has some limit, maybe 32... I don't remember.
The weather data is nothing more than the JPG images created by Virtual Weather Station inserted into the WC7/XP camera template for whichever camera. One template can serve all cameras, unless there's camera specific info, like I have, so each cam has it's own overlay.
Again, no extra software... just VWS, WC7PRO... oh... I suppose having the Logitech Camera program & Drivers would count as 'extra'... that Logitech software should be the newest, don't use old. The camera should initially be set up with Logitech program, then close Logitech. Now turn on WC7, call the camera, and if it needs further adjustment, the Logitech Software is accessed 'backdoor' from WC7 through source settings in WC7, not directly.
Note that the Logitech drivers will handle but one camera. Even though it will show multiple. One at a time. All other Logitechs connected to WC7 will 'attempt' to set themselves to the settings of the First camera connected. It won't always happen, or happen when you don't expect it. Usually, when I adjust through WC7 backdoor, I only see the changes on the 'first connected'... or I'll see changes after a moment on the others. It seems to depend on which model cameras are connected, so it takes a bit of trial and error running the Logitechs. Once set, go get some coffee and relax.
Another thing, all the Logitechs are USB2 ... you're just wasting a blue port if you connect them to USB3 port.
That 'Fusion' is a 1.3M pixel camera. The Hubble Fix should work fine with it. Again, your focus area would be from about 18in to 10ft without Hubble,... with Hubble, from about 8ft to 'ran out of pixels...' When you first set it up, set it to highest resolution in Logitech program. In WC7 set it to suit. I've noticed some video cards begin to break up the image if the source is a wide, or 16"9 native, and you select a 4:3 format in WC7... the cards can't handle it. I think this may also be root of some complaints of 'camera shuts off'... If you want 4:3 set the Logitech to a 4:3 originally.
Sheesh! I sure can get long fingered... !
Mike
Post by: W3DRM on December 11, 2013, 11:18:03 PM
I've used both IS and MS for many years but am looking for something that will allow me to use more than one camera.
Hey Don...
Image Salsa 2 allows more than one camera. It says it is a beta version but I have never had any hiccups with it running a couple cameras. http://www.imagesalsa.com/download.htm (http://www.imagesalsa.com/download.htm)
I agree IS 2 is "supposed" to handle more than one camera. However, after working with the developer of the software he was unable to figture out why v2 would not run on any of my computer systems. We tried everything to no avail. That's why I am thinking about moving on to some other package and the WebcamXP/7 look like they may be the answer to my problem.
Post by: W3DRM on December 11, 2013, 11:23:16 PM
Thanks for the detailed explanation... I have an old Olympus C-5050 that at one time I had connected to my computer for some experimenting and it worked quite nicely. The images were much better than the Logitech. I may just play with it to see what I can do with the free version of Webcam7. If it works out, then I'll upgrade to the Pro version.
I may have some additional questions as I move through the learning curve of Webcam7.
Post by: ws vreewijk on December 13, 2013, 03:13:27 PM
OK just tried webcam xp.
To get it runnig is easy,no problems with port forwarding and de code was generated perfect.
I have a test running now and even on my android tablet I see a nice stream now.
However I have a few questions left.
Now I use the generated script for Java.
But to have it working like you do what do I need to do?
Generate the flash script and modify?
Or
Generate the java script and modify?
Or
Can you help me to modify the script?
Thanks in advance
rgds Chris.
Post by: Cutty Sark Sailor on December 13, 2013, 06:04:55 PM
Hello Mike,Sure... check your email.
OK just tried webcam xp.
To get it runnig is easy,no problems with port forwarding and de code was generated perfect.
I have a test running now and even on my android tablet I see a nice stream now.
However I have a few questions left.
Now I use the generated script for Java.
But to have it working like you do what do I need to do?
Generate the flash script and modify?
Or
Generate the java script and modify?
Or
Can you help me to modify the script?
Thanks in advance
rgds Chris.
Post by: ws vreewijk on February 01, 2014, 09:14:46 AM
And as I had to wait for about a month the webshop has send 2 diopter lenses.
This brings me to a point of warning -2 diopter is not the correct name as I found out.
The two lenses I received are competely different from each other.
There are two kinds of diopter lensen:
1) diopter lens waist-level finder
2) eye correction diopter lens
The first one is not ok for our use as it works as magnifying glass
The second is the one we want.
The specs of my glasses
The wrong one Mamiya diopter lens m645 -2 diopter
The good one Mamiya eye correction lens 645 pro tl/7/6 mf also -2 diopter
So be carefull before you order a lens and make shure you order an EYE correction lens.
Cheers Chris
EDIT: THE SQUARE ONE IS THE CORRECT ONE
Post by: ws vreewijk on February 02, 2014, 11:14:48 AM
In my opinion my webcam is a lot better.
Just one more question will my pro 9000 be like the c920 and will the the cam learning too ?????????????????
If not Iám quit happy with the result for now.
Cheers Chris
Post by: W3DRM on February 02, 2014, 03:38:10 PM
(http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B009FRD7RC/ref=oh_details_o00_s00_i00?ie=UTF8&psc=1 (http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B009FRD7RC/ref=oh_details_o00_s00_i00?ie=UTF8&psc=1)). Should be here this Wednesday. Have procrastinated long enough to do this so hope it will be worth the wait. Hope to have before & after photos once I get it installed later next week.
Does anyone know what the physical diameter of this lens is? I couldn't find it in the documentation.
Post by: ws vreewijk on February 02, 2014, 03:50:12 PM
look below your link where you purchased the lens.
ur welcome :grin:
rgds Chris
Post by: W3DRM on February 02, 2014, 04:11:04 PM
Product Dimensions: 2.1 x 2.7 x 0.8 inches ; 0.3 ounces
look below your link where you purchased the lens.
ur welcome :grin:
rgds Chris
:oops: :oops: :oops: Couldn't see the trees for the forest... Thanks!
Post by: Intheswamp on February 02, 2014, 06:06:16 PM
No, I don't think those are the specs of the actual item...maybe the size of the retail packaging that it comes in. I figure it's maybe 1/2" - 3/4" diameter. I believe the diopter that you ordered is supposed to fit the round viewfinder of this camera: http://kenrockwell.com/fuji/x-pro1/D3S_8102-back-1200.jpgProduct Dimensions: 2.1 x 2.7 x 0.8 inches ; 0.3 ounces
look below your link where you purchased the lens.
ur welcome :grin:
rgds Chris
:oops: :oops: :oops: Couldn't see the trees for the forest... Thanks!
Best wishes,
Ed
Post by: W3DRM on February 03, 2014, 12:12:12 AM
No, I don't think those are the specs of the actual item...maybe the size of the retail packaging that it comes in. I figure it's maybe 1/2" - 3/4" diameter. I believe the diopter that you ordered is supposed to fit the round viewfinder of this camera: http://kenrockwell.com/fuji/x-pro1/D3S_8102-back-1200.jpgProduct Dimensions: 2.1 x 2.7 x 0.8 inches ; 0.3 ounces
look below your link where you purchased the lens.
ur welcome :grin:
rgds Chris
:oops: :oops: :oops: Couldn't see the trees for the forest... Thanks!
Best wishes,
Ed
Well, that would make sense since it does say it is a viewfinder optical item. I was really trying to get a head-start on coming up with a way to mount it to my Logitech Quick Cam Fusion. Guess I'll find out when it arrives Wednesday...
Post by: Intheswamp on February 03, 2014, 02:01:33 AM
Wire and/or silicone will be stable enough to withstand outdoor exposure...humidity, heat, cold, etc.,.
Ed
Post by: Intheswamp on February 03, 2014, 02:05:03 AM
Ed
Post by: Cutty Sark Sailor on February 03, 2014, 06:15:47 AM
Don, you might want to review Mike's photos of how he wire wrapped his diopters to his camera... http://www.wxforum.net/index.php?topic=19044.25 I did mine similar to this, though probably with a bit of overkill included. :)Just note that those diopters I scored before they pretty much became NLA are rectangular Nikon viewfinder slide ins, with a nice groove for the wire to live in... that's why it was simple and quick... :twisted:
Ed
Mike
Post by: Jumpin Joe on February 03, 2014, 10:13:22 AM
Don, you might want to review Mike's photos of how he wire wrapped his diopters to his camera... http://www.wxforum.net/index.php?topic=19044.25 I did mine similar to this, though probably with a bit of overkill included. :)Just note that those diopters I scored before they pretty much became NLA are rectangular Nikon viewfinder slide ins, with a nice groove for the wire to live in... that's why it was simple and quick... :twisted:
Ed
Mike
When the supply of the rectangular lens went dry, I went searching for a replacement and found round ones that fit perfectly over the lens of a Logitech 9000. A couple very small dabs of clear silicone hold it in place. Found them on Amazon, pic attached.
Joe
Post by: W3DRM on February 03, 2014, 12:21:10 PM
I'm thinking of using some kind of a lens mount that will be easily removable (i.e. not permanent) so I can move the lens to another camera in the future, if necessary. Silicone may be the easiest answer as it is also relatively easy to remove without damaging anything. I don't think the wire method will work with the round lens but that will be determined once I get it. The camera currently sits in my attic pointed out through a dormer window so it is not exposed to external weather. It does get cold in the winter and hot in the summer as well as lots of sun but no moisture. Guess I'll just have to watch it and see what happens.
Post by: capeweather on February 03, 2014, 12:39:39 PM
Post by: Intheswamp on February 03, 2014, 12:42:35 PM
Shooting through a window... Lots of folks do it and I did it to begin with. My problems were typical of other peoples. The first issue I had was reflection bouncing off the windowpane back into the camea lens. The closer you can get the camera lens to the window the fewer reflections you will have to deal with...and reflections will change as the light changes direction during the day. Also, having the front of the camera all blacked out with some type of flat black surface will help...whether some stiff posterboard, foamboard, or whatever or either painting any shiney surfaces of the camera with some flat black paint.
The second issue I had was a bad one. Condensation inside the window. It completely obliterated my image. This was in an old, old leaky building heated with propane gas. All the windows would fog over and condense at night. Depending on the construction, your attic will most likely not have this problem...but something I thought I'd make you aware of. Folks have condensation problems with outside cameras, too, so it's not just an "inside" problem.
I don't *think* you'll have a problem with heat or cold...my camera just went through some low-teens temperatures outside and seemed to do fine...it will probably handle the cold better than the heat. I've yet to see how it does in the heat. :)
It sounds like you're getting together a good game plan!
Best wishes,
Ed
Post by: W3DRM on February 03, 2014, 01:08:47 PM
I also have an Oly C-5050 that I am going to try to get mounted in an exterior enclosure this summer. It will eventually be my second camera image.
Forgot to mention, the camera is only about a inch from the window glass and I have no problems with reflections at all as there is no light from inside the attic. I do get a flare once in a while when the sun is low in the sky.
Post by: ws vreewijk on February 03, 2014, 01:09:01 PM
the cam is capable 1600x1200
rgds Chris
Post by: Jumpin Joe on February 03, 2014, 03:46:59 PM
Image size is driven by where and how you use the images.
I hope this helps,
Joe
Post by: ws vreewijk on February 03, 2014, 03:55:35 PM
Cheers Chris
Post by: Cutty Sark Sailor on February 03, 2014, 04:47:54 PM
You don't have to set the highest resolution, but if you try to exceed that initial resolution when you format the source later in WC7, you may have poorer quality, if you follow me. It's better to 'down' than try to 'upsize', at least for me.
Now start WC7xp, and select the cam, video format to suit... I run 1024x576 because I like it large. At any rate, a 1900px wide image will need a "BOB" (heh, heh... I just created an acronym for "Bunch of Bandwidth" Y'all may use it... 8-) Multiple BOBs would be 'Roberts', a half-BOB would be a 'Robbie' or 'Bobby' )... anyway, it'll take a BOB... so you'll probably want to use a smaller format. My cams (all 4 at once) use about 4 Roberts. A 320px stream would be about a 'Half-Bobby'. Ken and Curly are working on scripts for proper BOB conversions.
Also remember at this point you'll adjust the source settings, like zoom, bright, etc, from WC7, backdoor into the Logitech driver, not directly in Logitech..
Mike
Post by: miraculon on February 03, 2014, 07:35:58 PM
I thought you were talking about these guys...
(http://blog.securestate.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/bobs.jpg)
Greg
Post by: ws vreewijk on February 04, 2014, 12:58:31 PM
Nice explanation MIke :grin:
Rgds Chris
Post by: Jumpin Joe on February 04, 2014, 01:48:40 PM
Oweeee in this area Belgium and the Netherlands is BOB the one not allowed drinking when you go out with friends :-|......so no adult beverage for the BOB guy :evil: As he takes care of driving everybody home safely.
Nice explanation MIke :grin:
Rgds Chris
Mike sure is a smooth talking wordsmith professor isn't he? :lol:
Joe
Post by: W3DRM on February 05, 2014, 10:43:48 PM
Now the status shows it to be scheduled for delivery tomorrow (the 6th). I was all ready to post a before and after photo but... ](*,)
Post by: ws vreewijk on February 06, 2014, 12:46:58 PM
W3DRM maybe you are lucky ....I had to wait for about a month for my diopter to arrive from Japan.
But you know what ... they spend me one for free \:D/
See forward for your pictures.
rgds Chris
Post by: W3DRM on February 10, 2014, 07:56:29 PM
So, guess I'll start looking around for a better camera that won't break the bank. If I have to buy a new camera, I'll start looking for one that does not need to be hubble-ized, if that is possible in a less expensive camera. I do have an old Oly C-5050 that I may dust-off and see if it stills works or not. It has a good lens on. I had it on-line several years ago using VM95, if I remember correctly.
Post by: ws vreewijk on February 11, 2014, 12:37:27 PM
Where do I find your cam on the website ????
I have seen very nice picture out of this webcam HP HD-4110 its a pitty the person who use two of this cams is not streaming at this moment but what I have seen is an almost perfect stream,here in my area you can purchase it for under 50 bucks.
But maybe you can not use a usb cam in your situation.
Cheers Chris
Post by: Jumpin Joe on February 11, 2014, 12:46:53 PM
My -2 diopter lens arrived and I have installed it. To be truthful, I don't see much, if any, improvement over the basic lens. I was hoping for a much sharper distance image than I am seeing.
So, guess I'll start looking around for a better camera that won't break the bank. If I have to buy a new camera, I'll start looking for one that does not need to be hubble-ized, if that is possible in a less expensive camera. I do have an old Oly C-5050 that I may dust-off and see if it stills works or not. It has a good lens on. I had it on-line several years ago using VM95, if I remember correctly.
Don, the Logitech C920 is a very good USB HD camera that wont break the bank.... Mike, Cutty Sark Sailor, has 3 or four of them. Take a look at his site if you want to see them in action.
Good luck,
Joe
Post by: ws vreewijk on February 11, 2014, 12:54:13 PM
rgds Chris
Post by: Cutty Sark Sailor on February 11, 2014, 02:56:58 PM
My -2 diopter lens arrived and I have installed it. To be truthful, I don't see much, if any, improvement over the basic lens. I was hoping for a much sharper distance image than I am seeing.Don, what cam is that you're using???
So, guess I'll start looking around for a better camera that won't break the bank. If I have to buy a new camera, I'll start looking for one that does not need to be hubble-ized, if that is possible in a less expensive camera. I do have an old Oly C-5050 that I may dust-off and see if it stills works or not. It has a good lens on. I had it on-line several years ago using VM95, if I remember correctly.
Post by: W3DRM on February 11, 2014, 09:29:29 PM
My -2 diopter lens arrived and I have installed it. To be truthful, I don't see much, if any, improvement over the basic lens. I was hoping for a much sharper distance image than I am seeing.Don, what cam is that you're using???
So, guess I'll start looking around for a better camera that won't break the bank. If I have to buy a new camera, I'll start looking for one that does not need to be hubble-ized, if that is possible in a less expensive camera. I do have an old Oly C-5050 that I may dust-off and see if it stills works or not. It has a good lens on. I had it on-line several years ago using VM95, if I remember correctly.
I have a Logitech Quickcam Fusion. It has worked nicely for 3-4 years now but has always produced fuzzy distant images. I had no idea it was near-sighted...
Post by: W3DRM on February 11, 2014, 09:34:48 PM
W3DRM
Where do I find your cam on the website ????
I have seen very nice picture out of this webcam HP HD-4110 its a pitty the person who use two of this cams is not streaming at this moment but what I have seen is an almost perfect stream,here in my area you can purchase it for under 50 bucks.
But maybe you can not use a usb cam in your situation.
Cheers Chris
Chris, you can find my webcam on my homepage or via the direct link below:
- http://www.carsonvalleyweather.com/webcam/webcam.jpg (http://www.carsonvalleyweather.com/webcam/webcam.jpg)
Post by: W3DRM on February 11, 2014, 09:57:17 PM
Don, you might want to review Mike's photos of how he wire wrapped his diopters to his camera... http://www.wxforum.net/index.php?topic=19044.25 I did mine similar to this, though probably with a bit of overkill included. :)Just note that those diopters I scored before they pretty much became NLA are rectangular Nikon viewfinder slide ins, with a nice groove for the wire to live in... that's why it was simple and quick... :twisted:
Ed
Mike
When the supply of the rectangular lens went dry, I went searching for a replacement and found round ones that fit perfectly over the lens of a Logitech 9000. A couple very small dabs of clear silicone hold it in place. Found them on Amazon, pic attached.
Joe
Joe,
That is the exact lens I got including the foam packing. But, it just isn't working for me...
Post by: Jumpin Joe on February 11, 2014, 10:48:15 PM
Don, you might want to review Mike's photos of how he wire wrapped his diopters to his camera... http://www.wxforum.net/index.php?topic=19044.25 I did mine similar to this, though probably with a bit of overkill included. :)Just note that those diopters I scored before they pretty much became NLA are rectangular Nikon viewfinder slide ins, with a nice groove for the wire to live in... that's why it was simple and quick... :twisted:
Ed
Mike
When the supply of the rectangular lens went dry, I went searching for a replacement and found round ones that fit perfectly over the lens of a Logitech 9000. A couple very small dabs of clear silicone hold it in place. Found them on Amazon, pic attached.
Joe
Joe,
That is the exact lens I got including the foam packing. But, it just isn't working for me...
Don,
I don't know what to tell you. My 9000 was pretty good to start, never had a fuzzy problem. The lens did help some, it was not a night and day, but there was improvement.
Joe
Post by: Cutty Sark Sailor on February 19, 2014, 09:04:12 AM
http://frankfortweather.us/campage/
Add your HubbleCam at
http://frankfortweather.us/campage/hubblecam.php
Mike
Post by: Jumpin Joe on February 19, 2014, 09:13:35 AM
And we have a HubbleCam collection page hosting at
http://frankfortweather.us/campage/
Add your HubbleCam at
http://frankfortweather.us/campage/hubblecam.php
Mike
We sure do Mike!!!! =D>
Thank you for all you do... including the numerous hours and days you spend helping others.
Joe
Post by: Cienega32 on February 19, 2014, 10:46:25 PM
And to echo Jumpin Joe: Thanks for all the time and effort you put into all of this.
I still haven't tried the Fix on any of my Logitechs but I will whenever I get around to pulling my camera shelf down for some other work. I've had the lenses for awhile now - just haven't had the time to try them out. :roll:
Post by: Cutty Sark Sailor on February 19, 2014, 11:04:20 PM
And we have a HubbleCam collection page hosting at
http://frankfortweather.us/campage/
Add your HubbleCam at
http://frankfortweather.us/campage/hubblecam.php
Mike
We sure do Mike!!!! =D>
Thank you for all you do... including the numerous hours and days you spend helping others.
Joe
Nice concept!Awww... you guys! :oops:
And to echo Jumpin Joe: Thanks for all the time and effort you put into all of this.
I still haven't tried the Fix on any of my Logitechs but I will whenever I get around to pulling my camera shelf down for some other work. I've had the lenses for awhile now - just haven't had the time to try them out. :roll:
Hey, this keeps me out of the spouse's hair.
I think the secret is you folks on WxForum... everybody accepts each other just as they are... .
On this last little project: Jumpin' Joe helped set the idea and the concept, and keeps me on my toes. We both think the little hubble cams have a rightful place in the PWS world, especially for someone starting out and learning until they can really play with the big boys. They need to be shown off, for more reasons than that. There are some pretty good looking cam images coming out of this... and I think that's remarkable considering the budget!
Mike
Post by: Cutty Sark Sailor on February 19, 2014, 11:36:38 PM
Post by: piconut on February 19, 2014, 11:40:21 PM
Don,
I don't know what to tell you. My 9000 was pretty good to start, never had a fuzzy problem. The lens did help some, it was not a night and day, but there was improvement.
Joe
Joe...
Are you the only one here who has tried the diopter fix on the Logitech 9000? Unless I'm mistaken, it appears that all the others here have only used it on the C920. The reason I ask is that I have two 9000's and the image seems pretty good, and from the non-diopter C920's, I would say the default image on the 9000 is better. So was your original 9000 image as soft as an unfixed C920? I'm just wondering why my 9000's don't appear to be as soft as the C920s or if I have such poor vision that I can't even tell the difference.
Thanks...
Scott
Post by: Cutty Sark Sailor on February 19, 2014, 11:52:30 PM
Scott, you're right: I think the 920s seem "softer" under some lighting conditions then then a 9000. The 920 actually has less resolution than the 910...may have the same or similar sensor that the 9000 had and try to make up for it with onboard processing. George runs a 9000, Chris also, and Don, all with the diopters. They're on the HubbleCam page.Don,
I don't know what to tell you. My 9000 was pretty good to start, never had a fuzzy problem. The lens did help some, it was not a night and day, but there was improvement.
Joe
Joe...
Are you the only one here who has tried the diopter fix on the Logitech 9000? Unless I'm mistaken, it appears that all the others here have only used it on the C920. The reason I ask is that I have two 9000's and the image seems pretty good, and from the non-diopter C920's, I would say the default image on the 9000 is better. So was your original 9000 image as soft as an unfixed C920? I'm just wondering why my 9000's don't appear to be as soft as the C920s or if I have such poor vision that I can't even tell the difference.
Thanks...
Scott
Part of the secret with all of 'em is to start out with the highest resolution your setup will stand, then if necessary, reduce it at the serving software, or even in the webpage.
Mike
EDIT: Oh... I've slapped it across a 9000 my spouse uses for Skype, and a couple of other model Loggies, and difference was noticeable on all at distance. Experimented with a 910 but haven't tried it on distance, yet... will this spring.
Post by: capeweather on February 20, 2014, 12:09:28 AM
http://www.capeweather.com/tarpon-lodge-pineland-florida-webcam.html
http://www.capeweather.com/burnt-store-marina-webcam.html
http://www.capeweather.com/charlotte-harbor-webcam-punta-gorda.html
Post by: Cutty Sark Sailor on February 20, 2014, 12:13:35 AM
Im running 3 910's hubbled with -2 diopters and will be installing a 4th in a few weeks. I only run the res at 640x360 due to bw but it made a hell of a difference.Dang, Chris... we need to get those up on the Hubblecam page!
http://www.capeweather.com/tarpon-lodge-pineland-florida-webcam.html
http://www.capeweather.com/burnt-store-marina-webcam.html
http://www.capeweather.com/charlotte-harbor-webcam-punta-gorda.html
(I've got a shelf-full of 910's waiting in the wings... :roll: caught a good price on close out, and scarfed 'em up.)
Mike
Post by: capeweather on February 20, 2014, 12:22:49 AM
Im running 3 910's hubbled with -2 diopters and will be installing a 4th in a few weeks. I only run the res at 640x360 due to bw but it made a hell of a difference.Dang, Chris... we need to get those up on the Hubblecam page!
http://www.capeweather.com/tarpon-lodge-pineland-florida-webcam.html
http://www.capeweather.com/burnt-store-marina-webcam.html
http://www.capeweather.com/charlotte-harbor-webcam-punta-gorda.html
(I've got a shelf-full of 910's waiting in the wings... :roll: caught a good price on close out, and scarfed 'em up.)
Mike
Feel free to add them or I will when im not on my mobile. Pain in the rear to type. LOL. If you ever plan on selling some, let me know! I will be first in line! I cant touch them for less than 90 and thats even on Amazon.
Ive been really impressed with the 910. Tried using the 920 over a usb extender but could never get it to communicate. Probably has to do with usb 1.1.
May have to experiment with the 920 again at some point.
Post by: Jumpin Joe on February 20, 2014, 07:03:19 AM
Don,
I don't know what to tell you. My 9000 was pretty good to start, never had a fuzzy problem. The lens did help some, it was not a night and day, but there was improvement.
Joe
Joe...
Are you the only one here who has tried the diopter fix on the Logitech 9000? Unless I'm mistaken, it appears that all the others here have only used it on the C920. The reason I ask is that I have two 9000's and the image seems pretty good, and from the non-diopter C920's, I would say the default image on the 9000 is better. So was your original 9000 image as soft as an unfixed C920? I'm just wondering why my 9000's don't appear to be as soft as the C920s or if I have such poor vision that I can't even tell the difference.
Thanks...
Scott
Scott, I just might be the only one that tried the fix. Yes, the 9000 is pretty darn good without the fix. Like I said before, there was a " little" improvement. If someone has a 9000 they should not expect much with the fix, it does very well as is.
Joe
Post by: Cienega32 on February 20, 2014, 11:21:14 AM
Post by: ws vreewijk on February 20, 2014, 01:22:20 PM
Yes as Joe says the pro9000c is a good cam as is...but to be honest for me the lens worked out very well , where first the picture was a little soft now it sharpend the picture , it is good to see on the tree's where they where not so detailed without diopter.
@ Joe did you try several formats? like Iám running 970x720
Or did you compare the cam picture pure as it is ? before and after diopter.
Can someone give some hints about framespeed as this is not be spoken about often.
Like Mike uses frame speed 10 fps ..... Iám using 30fps
I never tried someting with changing the speed,so does it make a differance?
krgds Chris
Post by: Jumpin Joe on February 20, 2014, 02:22:49 PM
Hello ,
Yes as Joe says the pro9000c is a good cam as is...but to be honest for me the lens worked out very well , where first the picture was a little soft now it sharpend the picture , it is good to see on the tree's where they where not so detailed without diopter.
@ Joe did you try several formats? like Iám running 970x720
Or did you compare the cam picture pure as it is ? before and after diopter.
Can someone give some hints about framespeed as this is not be spoken about often.
Like Mike uses frame speed 10 fps ..... Iám using 30fps
I never tried someting with changing the speed,so does it make a differance?
krgds Chris
Chris, I did not try it in different formats. I did compare before and after with the default software settings from Logitech.
It will be interesting to see the responses regarding the speed settings.
Joe
Post by: smorris on February 20, 2014, 04:31:59 PM
Joe...
Are you the only one here who has tried the diopter fix on the Logitech 9000?
Mine's a 9000.
Steve
Post by: Jumpin Joe on February 20, 2014, 04:49:14 PM
Joe...
Are you the only one here who has tried the diopter fix on the Logitech 9000?
Mine's a 9000.
Steve
I guess I'm not the only one.... How much of a difference did you notice Steve?
Joe
Post by: smorris on February 20, 2014, 06:16:00 PM
How much of a difference did you notice Steve?
Joe
There's a sample of each on page one of this thread. The lighting is different, but the image improvement was huge!
Steve
Post by: Cutty Sark Sailor on February 20, 2014, 06:24:57 PM
Can someone give some hints about framespeed as this is not be spoken about often.Chris, et.al... You might set the frame speed down to something even as low a 15.... Mine are set for 20.
Like Mike uses frame speed 10 fps ..... Iám using 30fps
I never tried someting with changing the speed,so does it make a differance?
krgds Chris
The most important setting is bandwidth... My max bandwidth for the 3 camera WC7 install is set for 800 kBs.
My settings:FLV 1200 FPS 20
The way it works, the actual frame rate served depends on available bandwidth for upload, and the 'viewer's own connection speed.
If you are getting 10fps off mine, that's exceptional. Average single connection would be about 5-7fps regardless of what my WC7 settings are.
I have had as many as 18 viewers at one time, on a stormy morning on the streams... virtually all were getting less than 0.5fps max. :-)
I've a couple of regulars who connect, and their lashup only gives them about 2.5fps .
Mike
Post by: Jumpin Joe on February 20, 2014, 07:16:42 PM
How much of a difference did you notice Steve?
Joe
There's a sample of each on page one of this thread. The lighting is different, but the image improvement was huge!
Steve
Wow! That is huge.
Post by: piconut on February 20, 2014, 07:59:50 PM
Joe...
Are you the only one here who has tried the diopter fix on the Logitech 9000?
Mine's a 9000.
Steve
Hi Steve...
I'm a bit confused (and I was born that way!) #-o
You say that yours is a Logitech 9000 but your web site says it is a Sharx Security SCNC3605 and you also have 3 different webcams. Could you please clarify for me?
Post by: smorris on February 20, 2014, 09:42:00 PM
Sorry for the confusion,
Steve
Post by: piconut on February 20, 2014, 11:12:10 PM
My "about" page needs an update, but it does have both the old Sharx and the Logitech on there. The first image, the GardenCam, is a Sharx 3905. I have another 3905, but it is not a public image. The SkyCam, is the Logitech, and all three are running through EvoCam on my Mac. The SnowCam is an Olympus SP-500-UZ running on SebecTec Webcam software on Win XP under Parallels on my Mac.
Sorry for the confusion,
Steve
I figured as much but I wasn't sure which image was from the Sharx and which was from the Logitech. Thanks for the clarification, Steve.
Post by: ws vreewijk on February 21, 2014, 09:38:33 AM
Mike but if vieuwers get a vidio with less frame rate how does the vidio shows ,
less smooth image, so choppy ....or is it almost impossible to see in terms of moving image , For example, if a bird flies into view.
Cheers Chris
Post by: Cutty Sark Sailor on February 21, 2014, 10:08:53 AM
Can someone give some hints about framespeed as this is not be spoken about often.Chris, et.al... You might set the frame speed down to something even as low a 15.... Mine are set for 20.
Like Mike uses frame speed 10 fps ..... Iám using 30fps
I never tried someting with changing the speed,so does it make a differance?
krgds Chris
The most important setting is bandwidth... My max bandwidth for the 3 camera WC7 install is set for 800 kBs.
My settings:FLV 1200 FPS 20
The way it works, the actual frame rate served depends on available bandwidth for upload, and the 'viewer's own connection speed.
If you are getting 10fps off mine, that's exceptional. Average single connection would be about 5-7fps regardless of what my WC7 settings are.
I have had as many as 18 viewers at one time, on a stormy morning on the streams... virtually all were getting less than 0.5fps max. :-)
I've a couple of regulars who connect, and their lashup only gives them about 2.5fps .
Mike
:-) Nice job Steve.Exactly, Chris! Yes, and Yes.
Mike but if vieuwers get a vidio with less frame rate how does the vidio shows ,
less smooth image, so choppy ....or is it almost impossible to see in terms of moving image , For example, if a bird flies into view.
Cheers Chris
Unfortunately, there's little we can do from our end to eliminate that. So much depends on what our upload bandwith is, how our originating PC handles it, and the access speed of the visitor's connection. With our low budget 'live' streaming about all we can do is stream a tiny picture that uses less bandwidth.,.. but then the 'jerky bird' just becomes a tiny dot, but the dot will probably move smoother!
A person with the money could invest in a Media Server connection, anywhere from $30-$1000 a month, but they'd still be limited by their own Internet connection bandwidth, and originating computer's limitations in getting the 'live' stream to the Media Server.
Ya know, even then, many are only served at 24-25FPS from what I gather, and some as low as 15-20...
When you're watching a streamed video, you'll note that there's 'buffering' that goes on.. a percentage of the frames are downloaded into the viewer's pc before the video ever starts playing, and if the playback ever catches up with the 'buffer', that's when the image freezes until the buffer is full again. That's why those play smoothly.
Some media servers actually adjust the frame rate and the image size to match the viewing computer's characteristics!
We aren't doing that... we're uploading images as fast as we can under the circumstances, and the viewer is downloading them as fast as he can, and in between they've gone through 20 network loops back and forth... so the bird's gonna jerk until we get rich, get our own WWW backbone and expensive media serving equipment. By that time we'll have outgrown our little Hubble Cams. :lol:
Now.. more coffee...
Mike
Post by: ws vreewijk on February 21, 2014, 01:19:02 PM
Ok your explanation sounds ok.
I will try some settings this weekend.
rgds Chris
Post by: Cutty Sark Sailor on February 21, 2014, 02:01:49 PM
:grin: Hi Mike what would you do when you ever run out of coffee :evil: #-oWell, gee, Chris... your feed seems to be working fine... I don't know if I'd change anything....????
Ok your explanation sounds ok.
I will try some settings this weekend.
rgds Chris
Mike
Post by: capeweather on March 01, 2014, 04:04:44 PM
http://www.capeweather.com/fort-myers-beach-webcam.html
Post by: Cutty Sark Sailor on March 01, 2014, 04:23:19 PM
Here is a c910 with a -2 diopter running 640x360 res recently installed.Now also featured on The Hubble Cam Page (http://frankfortweather.us/campage/) along with three other C910s from Capeweather.
http://www.capeweather.com/fort-myers-beach-webcam.html
Post by: capeweather on March 01, 2014, 04:26:58 PM
Here is a c910 with a -2 diopter running 640x360 res recently installed.Now also featured on The Hubble Cam Page (http://frankfortweather.us/campage/) along with three other C910s from Capeweather.
http://www.capeweather.com/fort-myers-beach-webcam.html
Post by: Cienega32 on March 01, 2014, 04:32:26 PM
Here is a c910 with a -2 diopter running 640x360 res recently installed.
http://www.capeweather.com/fort-myers-beach-webcam.html
NICE!
Post by: capeweather on March 01, 2014, 06:43:33 PM
Post by: Cutty Sark Sailor on March 10, 2014, 07:37:11 PM
http://www.amazon.com/dp/B00009R8TE/ref=pe_385040_30332200_pe_309540_26725410_item
mount in a jiffy with about 15" of 24ga (?) wire as a harness...
http://www.wxforum.net/index.php?topic=19044.msg185996#msg185996
Mike
Post by: capeweather on March 13, 2014, 09:03:32 AM
Post by: Cutty Sark Sailor on March 13, 2014, 09:33:52 AM
Love those long morning shadows across the green grass.Go ahead, Chris.... rub it in. Gloat. Brag. Promote Florida. Whatever. We can take it...
Now I gotta go scrape off The Wife's car windows...
Post by: capeweather on March 13, 2014, 09:51:15 AM
Hey, you mentioned scraping. How about a hubbleshield? :-)
http://www.sector111.com/parts/track/exterior/windshield_tear-away_film.cfm
Love those long morning shadows across the green grass.Go ahead, Chris.... rub it in. Gloat. Brag. Promote Florida. Whatever. We can take it...
Now I gotta go scrape off The Wife's car windows...
Post by: Cutty Sark Sailor on March 13, 2014, 12:36:38 PM
I'm bragging about the hubble, not Florida. ;)What I should do is simply clean out the garage... .
Hey, you mentioned scraping. How about a hubbleshield? :-)
http://www.sector111.com/parts/track/exterior/windshield_tear-away_film.cfmLove those long morning shadows across the green grass.Go ahead, Chris.... rub it in. Gloat. Brag. Promote Florida. Whatever. We can take it...
Now I gotta go scrape off The Wife's car windows...
Post by: Jumpin Joe on March 13, 2014, 12:54:27 PM
I'm bragging about the hubble, not Florida. ;)What I should do is simply clean out the garage... .
Hey, you mentioned scraping. How about a hubbleshield? :-)
http://www.sector111.com/parts/track/exterior/windshield_tear-away_film.cfmLove those long morning shadows across the green grass.Go ahead, Chris.... rub it in. Gloat. Brag. Promote Florida. Whatever. We can take it...
Now I gotta go scrape off The Wife's car windows...
Mike, that's using common sense.... so if you did, the smokescreen you have had with the boss would be busted. Don't do it!! :lol: :lol:
Post by: Cutty Sark Sailor on April 23, 2014, 08:31:31 AM
Logitech C910 Pro with a -3 diopter, for wider angle....
Hence vertical distortion outside the center :roll:
Yep, that's a Halogen light fixture...
(http://www.ourspecialnet.com/Weather/TwinHollies/i-Krwjqvq/0/L/HC5_Southwest-L.jpg) (http://www.ourspecialnet.com/Weather/TwinHollies/i-Krwjqvq/A)
Also did slight remodel of the cam pages on the site....
some nit-picking and camera overlays to complete however...
We'll see how this 'jury-rigged' installation holds up... :lol:
New cam's 10 second still at http://ourspecial.net/twinhollies/still/cam_5.html
Cheers!
Mike
Post by: capeweather on April 24, 2014, 10:42:56 AM
So, just added a new Hubble Cam... SouthWest, on the Vantage Vue mast...
Logitech C910 Pro with a -3 diopter, for wider angle....
Hence vertical distortion outside the center :roll:
Yep, that's a Halogen light fixture...
(http://www.ourspecialnet.com/Weather/TwinHollies/i-Krwjqvq/0/L/HC5_Southwest-L.jpg) (http://www.ourspecialnet.com/Weather/TwinHollies/i-Krwjqvq/A)
Also did slight remodel of the cam pages on the site....
some nit-picking and camera overlays to complete however...
We'll see how this 'jury-rigged' installation holds up... :lol:
New cam's 10 second still at http://ourspecial.net/twinhollies/still/cam_5.html
Cheers!
Mike
Post by: Cutty Sark Sailor on April 24, 2014, 02:52:16 PM
... I like the wide angle! Where did you purchase the -3 dio?The apparent extra 10° or so isn't really worth it with a view having lot of 'vertical' lines, unless they're in the center, in my opinion. If you look closely at my other -2 cams, you'll see similar, but not nearly as pronounced. Those houses and poles really take a lean with a -4.
The diopters came from the usual place... Adorama Camera through Amazon.... Nikon SLR viewfinder correction diopters... just large enough to fit over the lens.
Living halfway down a north-facing hillside makes it difficult to find a good SW or E view, without really raising that camera... so I'm kinda stuck with what's visible right now, although it's turned out somewhat better than I expected...
By the way, Chris... my two "kids" reside in Ft. Collins CO... they really have latched on to your Florida cams through the Hubble Page.... don't know how much they're hitting your site, but they sure talk about "that lucky dude in Florida"... although I doubt anything could entice them off the Front Range, even warm waters and palm trees.
Mike
Post by: ws vreewijk on April 26, 2014, 10:30:19 AM
Just to clarify''
If you had to choose for a new cam what would you do.
Take a C 910
Or
Take a C 920
Taking in concideration only quality not pricing.
Cheers Chris
Post by: Cutty Sark Sailor on April 26, 2014, 11:16:15 AM
Oh, I'd go C910 Pro... if you can find any. They're no longer in production. Make sure they're not B910's.
Now, I bought 4 'brown boxes' (just the cams) for $103 US each (I think it was) -- back in February, knowing they were no longer made. I think Jumpin' Joe got his for $128? Now this model is going for around $160US and up, new. I see some seller "refurbished' on Ebay for about $65US, but I'd be leery of what I was actually getting. The B910 version is NOT 5 megapixels. There are also some C910's floating around which are NOT the 5MPX, are not labeled 'Pro' and in fact may be counterfeit, or repackaged B910s.
IF you can't be sure you're getting the C910 Pro, than go for the C920. They're certainly great, especially with a -2 diopter.
Couple of differences: The C910 Pro does NOT have the handy 'tripod' mount threads that the C920 has, and requires a bit more ingenuity to mount in a camera housing.
The New SW facing C910 (-3 diopter for wider, if distorted view) ( http://ourspecial.net/twinhollies/weathercenter/cams/cam5.html )is mounted on the mast, in a halogen fixture, just fits, and is held in place with some packing. The 910 (cam 4) that is running in a standard housing, is mounted with the old solid wire 'tie it in' method, and does fine.
Mike
Post by: ws vreewijk on April 27, 2014, 04:45:45 AM
Around here hou can buy them used for about $40
And sometimes new for about about $65 on a small online market
Mounting is no problem I have my pro 9000 in a plastic food box easy and cheap.
How about the c615 ? as some stores mentioned that as alternative for the c910 pro
Cheers Chris
Post by: Cutty Sark Sailor on April 27, 2014, 05:52:04 AM
I've kind of lost track of all the experiments this morning.
I think if I could get C910 Pros for $60 US I'd try to corner the market, so to speak... make sure they're not B910s !!!!
Mike
Post by: capeweather on April 27, 2014, 09:04:11 AM
... I like the wide angle! Where did you purchase the -3 dio?By the way, Chris... my two "kids" reside in Ft. Collins CO... they really have latched on to your Florida cams through the Hubble Page.... don't know how much they're hitting your site, but they sure talk about "that lucky dude in Florida"... although I doubt anything could entice them off the Front Range, even warm waters and palm trees.
Mike
Thanks Mike for letting me know. Tell them to come on down! Nothing to be afraid of here in Florida. I would avoid the summers though, it can get quite nasty with the heat (June-August). But the weather sure is fun!
Post by: capeweather on April 27, 2014, 09:10:34 AM
How about the c615 ? as some stores mentioned that as alternative for the c910 pro
Cheers Chris
Chris,
I run a c615 from my house and actually have a -2 diopter on it. I'm not really impressed with the cam but you can certainly take a look from the link below. The c510 image quality is actually a lot sharper and the colors are better. You can still get the c510 for a really good price.
Mike,
I'm not sure if you want to add it to your hubble page but feel free. I may update the cam later (not anytime soon) with a 510 or 910.
http://www.capeweather.com/webcam1.html
Post by: Intheswamp on April 27, 2014, 10:06:40 AM
Thanks,
Ed
Post by: capeweather on April 27, 2014, 10:28:18 AM
Hmmm, C910 versus C510...is there a great difference in image quality for what we using them for?
Thanks,
Ed
Post by: Intheswamp on April 27, 2014, 05:08:23 PM
Chris, I'm taking a look at your cameras now...
Post by: ws vreewijk on April 29, 2014, 12:50:51 PM
Howevere I like all the experiments a lot \:D/
krgds Chris
Post by: Cutty Sark Sailor on May 31, 2014, 08:49:30 AM
Found a nifty little utility.
Logitech controller/driver for camera parameters only handles one Logitech Camera at a time, so if you're running more than one on a PC, adjustments made for brightness, contrast, on the first camera it finds are more or less the settings for any others... which ain't cool.
Well, I found the attached, which can also be downloaded from http://www.medienkunstonline.de/CamControl.zip
On first execution an ini file is created within the applications current directory.
You can change several parameters in there as well.
This will control 2 Logitechs, and even adds a sharpness adjustment. You can unzip anywhere on your PC and click the .exe file.
No, nobody's figured out how to get it to detect more than 2 cams, and I tried to contact the developer, but have received no response.
I've installed it on the machine that drives my cams 4 & 5, and it's fantastic. You control the cam directly with it, don't interface at
all through Webcam 7 source settings, run it directly in parallel with your serving application, whether WC7 or something else.
It's slightly tricky, in that initially all the values were set at 0, or far left, so it takes a few minutes to get things set up. One time
through the process educates you quickly, however. It also is fairly sensitive to adjustment levels, it seems.
but it only finds 2 cams.. .. .. still beats the heck out of the native Logitech software for my purposes.
Post by: blizzardof78 on May 31, 2014, 09:27:24 AM
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I recently had to buy a new computer (HP with Windows 7) and installed the proper program from the Logitech site (C920 Pro HD) as well as WebcamXP5. The one camera is uploading and running with no issues. However the other is not. I have to manually unplug then replug the usb connection in to the computer for it to reconnect to the camera. Then a little while later it freezes again. I even did a reinstall on the Logitech program to see if that fixed the issue; it did not. Suggestions?
Don in Ohio
Post by: Cutty Sark Sailor on May 31, 2014, 10:24:46 AM
So, I don't know what capabilities of the new HP are, but here's a couple of things...
More than one USB cam, especially the ones we're using, should be plugged into a self powered USB hub, not into the PC's USB plug,
because of the limited USB power available, especially if other peripherals are USB'd on the PC. It doesn't matter if the hub is USB 2 or 3,
The loggies only run at USB2 parameters.
Anyway, Windows may be disconnecting the cam because of USB power issues which may explain the 'dropout'.
1280x720 is also putting a heavy load on the PC and the Logitech drivers. Although that is one beautiful image. Remember that the Logitech drivers only want to handle one Cam, although if we're lucky we can drive, like in my case, up to 3 or so, if power is available, and the machine is fast enough with enough memory to handle them.
So to figure it out, I'd drop my cam 1 resolution back, maybe as low as 320 or something, add a powered hub, connect both cameras to the hub, and the hub to the PC.
If you're already "hubbing the hubbles" :twisted: I'd still back the resolution down, and see what the PC's video processing limits might be as I raised the resolution settings. At some point you'll know what the limits are through various alerts or drop outs or freezes!
I've my cams set at 1024x576 and the PC I have running 2 cams cannot process 3, even with the hub, and barely handles the two. The main weather PC is capable of driving 3 through the powered Belkin hubs, but just barely, after some software updates. I plan to move one of them off to another pc, although it's worked ok for a couple of years.
Let me know what's happening! PM's are cool...
Mike
Post by: capeweather on May 31, 2014, 10:33:59 AM
Post by: capeweather on May 31, 2014, 10:42:25 AM
Definitely try a powered usb hub and make sure it has a power adapter that can be plugged in. Some do not have them. This has eliminated a lot of my problems that were very similar to what you mentioned. Even though i only run single cams per pc, there has been a huge increase in stability. They rarely drop. I have most of my cams running on 640 x 360 or 640 x 480. I sacrificed having a lower res image with increased uptime.
Post by: W3DRM on May 31, 2014, 11:07:21 AM
Post by: Cutty Sark Sailor on May 31, 2014, 11:08:52 AM
Nice find on that tweak to isolate the cams Mike. That will be super useful if i add multiple cams to a pc.Yes, it works great with 2 Logitech cams only.... I cannot get it to mesh properly with the PC that's running 3, but that's the main weather PC and it's processing stuff at its limits right now, after some software updates. I'm gonna have to take one off it, and move it to an older HP... so, might as well add a 6th cam, while I'm at it :twisted:
Post by: Cutty Sark Sailor on May 31, 2014, 11:15:20 AM
Are there any specifically recommended powered USB hubs? There are tons of them available but, which ones are the best?Jumping Limpin' Joggin' Joe and I both ordered these back in March... check the power ratings!
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B008ZGKWQI/ref=oh_details_o06_s00_i00?ie=UTF8&psc=1
Post by: capeweather on May 31, 2014, 11:17:38 AM
Are there any specifically recommended powered USB hubs? There are tons of them available but, which ones are the best?Jumping Limpin' Joggin' Joe and I both order these back in March... check the power ratings!
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B008ZGKWQI/ref=oh_details_o06_s00_i00?ie=UTF8&psc=1
Post by: Cutty Sark Sailor on May 31, 2014, 11:28:33 AM
Post by: Jumpin Joe on May 31, 2014, 11:53:24 AM
Are there any specifically recommended powered USB hubs? There are tons of them available but, which ones are the best?Jumping Limpin' Joggin' Joe and I both ordered these back in March... check the power ratings!
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B008ZGKWQI/ref=oh_details_o06_s00_i00?ie=UTF8&psc=1
I really like mine and it works great.
Post by: capeweather on May 31, 2014, 12:18:24 PM
Mine's run with no issue since installation... running 6 hard drives and a DVD/CD ROM. Pluggable also has a 4 port 4 amp, and it's the same price... 30 bucks. LEDs are brite though. 8-)
Post by: capeweather on May 31, 2014, 12:19:55 PM
http://www.amazon.com/Plugable-SuperSpeed-Adapter-Windows-Chipset/dp/B005HARR2W/ref=sr_1_2?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1401553149&sr=1-2&keywords=pluggable+4+port
Post by: Cutty Sark Sailor on May 31, 2014, 01:28:55 PM
Nevermind. Think I found it.Sorry about not giving the link... I thought the 4 port's size might be more suitable for your cam mountings than the larger 7. Be aware there are no mounting points, it'll 'float', but neither does the 7. Joe and I opted for sevens at the time for the same price... Pluggable makes pretty good stuff, I've several devices from them, no issues.
http://www.amazon.com/Plugable-SuperSpeed-Adapter-Windows-Chipset/dp/B005HARR2W/ref=sr_1_2?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1401553149&sr=1-2&keywords=pluggable+4+port
Post by: capeweather on May 31, 2014, 01:52:16 PM
Nevermind. Think I found it.Sorry about not giving the link... I thought the 4 port's size might be more suitable for your cam mountings than the larger 7. Be aware there are no mounting points, it'll 'float', but neither does the 7. Joe and I opted for sevens at the time for the same price... Pluggable makes pretty good stuff, I've several devices from them, no issues.
http://www.amazon.com/Plugable-SuperSpeed-Adapter-Windows-Chipset/dp/B005HARR2W/ref=sr_1_2?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1401553149&sr=1-2&keywords=pluggable+4+port
Post by: capeweather on June 07, 2014, 05:31:24 PM
Are there any specifically recommended powered USB hubs? There are tons of them available but, which ones are the best?Jumping Limpin' Joggin' Joe and I both ordered these back in March... check the power ratings!
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B008ZGKWQI/ref=oh_details_o06_s00_i00?ie=UTF8&psc=1
Post by: Cutty Sark Sailor on June 07, 2014, 07:17:05 PM
Post by: capeweather on June 07, 2014, 07:40:55 PM
Post by: mickopla on July 24, 2014, 07:28:09 PM
I got a -2 diopter for my Logitech 9000 pro usb webcam but can't see a great improvement in quality. I'm using webcamcapture software at a res of 800*600. Auto focus is off. I'm wondering am i doing something wrong or is there certain settings that need to be changed. A link to the raw image is here www.waterfordcityweather.com/webcam000.jpg
regards
Mick
Post by: Intheswamp on August 09, 2014, 08:59:11 PM
Ed
Post by: erikmm on August 10, 2014, 03:32:16 AM
Post by: mickopla on August 10, 2014, 10:14:36 AM
Mick, I just logged on after being absent a while and saw your post. I looked at your image just now but it looks like it's night and looks like it might be raining (it is here...2.6 inches in the last couple of hours!!!) I know it's been a couple of weeks since you posted your message, have you been able to get a better image from the camera? If nothing else, I'm giving you a bump so someone else might respond. :)
Cheers for the bump. A while now since i posted but the issues still remain. I have tried a few different things but honestly i can't see any improvement since i attached the -2 diopter. I'm comparing my image with my own past images and results of others in the forum.
Post by: snapper on August 11, 2014, 07:30:54 AM
Mick, I just logged on after being absent a while and saw your post. I looked at your image just now but it looks like it's night and looks like it might be raining (it is here...2.6 inches in the last couple of hours!!!) I know it's been a couple of weeks since you posted your message, have you been able to get a better image from the camera? If nothing else, I'm giving you a bump so someone else might respond. :)
Cheers for the bump. A while now since i posted but the issues still remain. I have tried a few different things but honestly i can't see any improvement since i attached the -2 diopter. I'm comparing my image with my own past images and results of others in the forum.
Is 800x600 the max resolution you can select for this camera?
On my old c270, I got better results by capturing the image at the maximum resolution of 1280 x 960 and then using software to resample (not crop) it down to the target size of 800x600 and got far better quality than if I just set the camera to 800x600 native...
Also, do you get the same issues with other software?
Yawcam is free, it might be worth trying that to see if its a hardware or software issue.
Edit: just another thought; you say that autofocus is off, but did you also adjust the focus to infinity first?
Post by: Cutty Sark Sailor on August 11, 2014, 08:31:54 AM
About all a Hubble fix does for a well operating 9000 is a degree of 'fisheye'. It is a standard definition cam 4:3 ...
Where the Hubble works best is on some of the newer models, like the C920 and C910. The lower number cams from Logitech vary in Pixels and results. Also there is little or no effect noticed
with most IP cams, for some reason. Now, I've a C910 with a -3 overlay to expand the field a few degrees, and one with a -2. My other three active cams are c920s with -2 correction. All of them have a distinct focus improvement at distance when properly adjusted. Remember also, just on the odd chance, we are talking 'negative' diopter... a 'positive' diopter won't do a thing to help.
There are several C9000 with Hubble here : http://ourspecial.net/twinhollies/weathercenter/campage/
Post by: mickopla on August 11, 2014, 10:03:42 AM
One thing that has improved the image was to back off a slight zoom i had selected in the settings on the cam. Clarity is a lot better now. I just need to adjust it to show more of the sky and also try to improve the quality of stream as this is poor compared with the still image. You can see what the current image looks like here http://www.waterfordcityweather.com/wxwebcam.php Its the top image on the page.
Cheers
Mick
Post by: W3DRM on August 23, 2014, 10:49:02 PM
(http://www.carsonvalleyweather.com/images/hubble/webcam-c920.jpg)
The live daytime shots will probably look a bit better when the sun isn't impacting the image.
EDIT: Have added the currently displayed image so it can be compared with the initial image. It may make it easier down the road to notice deterioration in the image quality.
(http://www.carsonvalleyweather.com/webcam/webcam.jpg)
Post by: Intheswamp on August 24, 2014, 08:18:43 AM
Ed
Post by: Intheswamp on August 24, 2014, 08:27:08 AM
Ed
Post by: capeweather on August 24, 2014, 10:41:31 AM
Finally got some time to install my new C920 webcam w/Hubble Fix attached...
(http://www.carsonvalleyweather.com/images/hubble/webcam-c920.jpg)
The live daytime shots will probably look a bit better when the sun isn't impacting the image.
Post by: blizzardof78 on August 24, 2014, 01:43:07 PM
Post by: Cutty Sark Sailor on August 24, 2014, 05:28:24 PM
Finally got some time to install my new C920 webcam w/Hubble Fix attached...
Hey Cutty... Need two modifications to your Hubble-ized page. First you can drop one of the Newcomerstown boxes as I only have the one camera running right now and two you can change the link to http://www.ohiowx.com/images/cam_1.jpg as it has changed. Sorry for the delay in getting this information to you. Don.Dang.... two Dons to update... sounds more and more like an organized crime spy page...
Anyway, both you guys are updated... especially links, popup image, etc... check your data on the page, make sure I've got it all cool.
Mike
Post by: capeweather on August 24, 2014, 05:52:19 PM
C910
http://www.capeweather.com/bokeelia-florida-fishing-pier-webcam.html
:grin:
Post by: Cutty Sark Sailor on August 24, 2014, 06:04:48 PM
Mike, dont forget about little old me. :grin:Heh.. Chris, I'm sorry... I must have missed that somewhere along the line... :oops: I have a vague memory of you adding another... will do ASAP... Did you do a form on that one, or what? I'll always get the form since it's sent to several addresses.. hope I haven't missed any more...
C910
http://www.capeweather.com/bokeelia-florida-fishing-pier-webcam.html
:grin:
Mike
Post by: capeweather on August 24, 2014, 06:10:33 PM
Post by: Cutty Sark Sailor on August 24, 2014, 06:31:45 PM
Lol. No biggy. No form but the same as the other 910's. May be swapping them out with 510's soon. Lightning is constantly causing them to drop out but the 510's are stable during storms. Thank god storm season is almost over.Ok,... you're up & running on the pier...don't fall off.... check the data...
hmmm.... I'd hate to see you replace those good looking 16:9 910s with the older 4:3 510s... the wide version is so great looking...
Post by: capeweather on August 24, 2014, 06:55:34 PM
Lol. No biggy. No form but the same as the other 910's. May be swapping them out with 510's soon. Lightning is constantly causing them to drop out but the 510's are stable during storms. Thank god storm season is almost over.Ok,... you're up & running on the pier...don't fall off.... check the data...
hmmm.... I'd hate to see you replace those good looking 16:9 910s with the older 4:3 510s... the wide version is so great looking...
Post by: Cutty Sark Sailor on August 24, 2014, 07:42:05 PM
Thanks mike. Yeah i dont want to either. If i could figure out a way to keep them from losing connection in lightning storms id be up for it. Turning into daily reboots lately. Sometimes 3 times a day.I kind of wonder what might happen if the camera housings were grounded? I have also noted that at times, depending on which PC they're connected to, a cam can be much slower to recover after a sudden intense brightness surge... most notable at dusk or in dark hours...Lol. No biggy. No form but the same as the other 910's. May be swapping them out with 510's soon. Lightning is constantly causing them to drop out but the 510's are stable during storms. Thank god storm season is almost over.Ok,... you're up & running on the pier...don't fall off.... check the data...
hmmm.... I'd hate to see you replace those good looking 16:9 910s with the older 4:3 510s... the wide version is so great looking...
Truth of the matter, your cameras just get sick of transmitting those fantastic scenes, are overwhelmed with the scenery, and go into "can't take this anymore--gotta rest" mode. There was no such empathetic circuit built into the 510s. Your locations make me sick, Chris... ](*,)
Mike
Post by: blizzardof78 on August 24, 2014, 10:17:31 PM
Don K in Ohio
Post by: mkutche on December 07, 2014, 04:13:59 PM
Mike
Post by: Cutty Sark Sailor on December 07, 2014, 05:14:24 PM
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B003NUIK4M/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o02_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1 or similar.... keep spares....
nearby lightning EMF pulse once in awhile may kill an extender... so will water. Seal the connections and covers with Scotch 2242 tape.
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00004WCCK/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o01_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1
Logitech drivers are only designed to handle one cam at a time. Connect multiple loggies thru external powered USB multiport. USB 2 is sufficient.
Mike
Post by: Phlerb on January 02, 2015, 02:34:21 PM
Here is a before shot:
(http://www.deadcowz.com/images/pre-diopter.jpg)
and here it is after putting it on:
(http://www.deadcowz.com/images/post-diopter.jpg)
This is on a Logitech QuickCam Pro 9000. I am very happy with the results!
On another note, I was seeing the reflection of the silver ring around the lens on the window, so I grabbed a black sharpie and went to town. After it was all blacked out (not the lens :lol:) I no longer saw the reflections. Have to test again on a brighter day.
Right now I am using Blue Iris to take a shot once a minute from just before sunrise to just after sunset, and save as an mp4. I am still working on how to easily publish this to the web, but for the time being I am just uploading it to youtube. Here is the video from yesterday where you can see the ring, and then I use the Sharpie at 12:14 (you can see my funny face upside down) and it disappears
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P_fpRm83fOE
Thanks for figuring this out!
Post by: Cutty Sark Sailor on January 02, 2015, 02:57:16 PM
Post by: ws vreewijk on January 03, 2015, 02:22:57 AM
one more question do you want to join the collection?
And we have a HubbleCam collection page hosting at
http://frankfortweather.us/campage/
Apply your fix then Add your Hubble Cam
Post by: Phlerb on January 03, 2015, 08:04:31 AM
Timelapse Video (http://OldPumpWeather.deadcowz.com/skycam.php)
Phil
Post by: easytim on April 30, 2015, 10:09:47 PM
Thanks mike. Yeah i dont want to either. If i could figure out a way to keep them from losing connection in lightning storms id be up for it. Turning into daily reboots lately. Sometimes 3 times a day.Lol. No biggy. No form but the same as the other 910's. May be swapping them out with 510's soon. Lightning is constantly causing them to drop out but the 510's are stable during storms. Thank god storm season is almost over.Ok,... you're up & running on the pier...don't fall off.... check the data...
hmmm.... I'd hate to see you replace those good looking 16:9 910s with the older 4:3 510s... the wide version is so great looking...
I can help you with this, I know a fair amount about good battery backups
Post by: W3DRM on February 13, 2016, 05:26:17 PM
Please see the following YouTube link for a video showing how to do it. I just completed the process on my new C920 and it works nicely. My camera is currently showing a streaming YouTube video out of my office window and will be moved in the next few weeks to a better location so I don't get window reflections.
- C920 focus mod instructional video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=94lDYZgihT4 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=94lDYZgihT4)
- https://youtu.be/ZamPx5HSd4w (https://youtu.be/ZamPx5HSd4w)
Post by: capeweather on February 13, 2016, 06:07:05 PM