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Offline jellyhead

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What would the climate be of the world in this situation?
« on: July 23, 2016, 11:35:13 AM »
Longitude and latitude-wise, the world has been moved:


North America and South America- 5 degrees south and 170 degrees west
Australia and New Zealand- 15 degrees south and 150 degrees west
Antarctica: 30 degrees north and 170 degrees east
Subantarctic islands: 20 degrees north and 170 degrees east
Europe, Asia, and Oceania: 35 degrees south and 120 degrees west
Africa: 35 degrees south and 120 degrees west
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Re: What would the climate be of the world in this situation?
« Reply #1 on: July 23, 2016, 11:37:07 AM »
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Re: What would the climate be of the world in this situation?
« Reply #2 on: July 23, 2016, 12:38:33 PM »
I'd say it will be like this for a while.

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You might read this link.  It might not match your scenario, but it will give you some ideas of what you need to consider.

https://what-if.xkcd.com/10/

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Re: What would the climate be of the world in this situation?
« Reply #3 on: July 23, 2016, 10:09:38 PM »
I'd say it will be like this for a while.

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You might read this link.  It might not match your scenario, but it will give you some ideas of what you need to consider.

https://what-if.xkcd.com/10/
You gave me an idea. I have now asked xkcd about my hypothetical climate situation.
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Re: What would the climate be of the world in this situation?
« Reply #4 on: July 25, 2016, 04:35:06 AM »
Where would all of you be living in this situation?

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Re: What would the climate be of the world in this situation?
« Reply #5 on: July 25, 2016, 04:38:45 AM »
Also, I changed something. Instead of moving a place 120 degrees east if you can't move it any further west, you could just subtract it with 120 and put W instead of E.
Example:

179°0′W-120=59'W

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Re: What would the climate be of the world in this situation?
« Reply #6 on: July 25, 2016, 05:37:23 AM »
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North America and South America- 5 degrees south
Australia and New Zealand- 10 degrees south
Antarctica: 30 degrees north
Subantarctic islands: 20 degrees north
Europe, Asia, and Oceania: 35 degrees south
Africa: 35 degrees south

Sorry... Im afraid I just cant imagine that in my head.... make a map :D

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Re: What would the climate be of the world in this situation?
« Reply #7 on: July 25, 2016, 05:42:06 AM »


I can't create my own map, but here's a map with latitude and longitude.
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Re: What would the climate be of the world in this situation?
« Reply #8 on: July 25, 2016, 05:59:19 AM »
It makes me wonder how did you come up with those quite specific numbers, like 35 degrees south etc. Also, Im sure you know how complex climate is. It is probably one of the most complex things at all, something that even the most powerful supercomputers cannot simulate and what is more, I am also sure you have heard about the butterfly effect so even a change of 1 degree of some continent could have quite unexpected consequences. You have to account so many things... pressure gradients, ocean currents, the terrain of the continents, temperature gradients..... I can guarantee you no-one can provide an answer to your question, not even a rough guess... it really is absolutely impossible to say anything... latitude and longitude is only one of thousands of factors.

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Re: What would the climate be of the world in this situation?
« Reply #10 on: July 25, 2016, 06:36:54 AM »
OK, just let me give you a hypothetical example:

Lets say you move Europe more towards the south. You would probably say that it is going to get warmer.

But what if that move (not to mention the other moves you are suggesting) caused the Gulf stream to divert. This warm stream significantly warms Europe so it could be that in the end, the effect of diverting the Gulf stream would overshadow the effect of the move southwards and in the end it might actually be colder here.

So my point is - if anyone gives you an answer here, it would have absolutely no value. It could easily be the other way around. Its not even possible to say what would "likely happen". Impossible.

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Re: What would the climate be of the world in this situation?
« Reply #11 on: July 26, 2016, 07:22:09 AM »
OK, just let me give you a hypothetical example:

Lets say you move Europe more towards the south. You would probably say that it is going to get warmer.

But what if that move (not to mention the other moves you are suggesting) caused the Gulf stream to divert. This warm stream significantly warms Europe so it could be that in the end, the effect of diverting the Gulf stream would overshadow the effect of the move southwards and in the end it might actually be colder here.

So my point is - if anyone gives you an answer here, it would have absolutely no value. It could easily be the other way around. Its not even possible to say what would "likely happen". Impossible.
Would most of Europe need a stream to make it warmer considering the low latitude?

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Re: What would the climate be of the world in this situation?
« Reply #12 on: July 26, 2016, 09:06:30 AM »
You are asking exactly something I told you is impossible to answer.

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Re: What would the climate be of the world in this situation?
« Reply #13 on: July 26, 2016, 09:19:27 AM »
Jelly, not to make light of your questions....But are you doing a IB personal project?
Holy cow. I am not sure if your questions are possible to answer.



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Re: What would the climate be of the world in this situation?
« Reply #14 on: July 26, 2016, 09:25:57 AM »
Im especially curious how he came up with such specific numbers, like shift that XY degrees, that XZ degrees etc....

You could at least make a map of what would the result be, though I would recommend you dont bother, it is waste of time for reasons I outlined above.

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Re: What would the climate be of the world in this situation?
« Reply #15 on: July 26, 2016, 10:45:19 AM »
Jelly, not to make light of your questions....But are you doing a IB personal project?
Holy cow. I am not sure if your questions are possible to answer.
What's an IB personal project?

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Re: What would the climate be of the world in this situation?
« Reply #16 on: July 26, 2016, 08:25:11 PM »
Ok, So that answer is no. Had to ask

IB-Interational Baccalaureate. It is an educational program that my school does and many others world wide do. 

in 10th grade. Students have to do a year long project. They are to challenge students into deep thinking and the learning process. There are endless possibilities. I supervised a kid that made an AM radio.



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Re: What would the climate be of the world in this situation?
« Reply #17 on: July 26, 2016, 08:35:33 PM »
I was growing beans under different watering regimes lol

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Re: What would the climate be of the world in this situation?
« Reply #18 on: July 28, 2016, 08:18:55 AM »
Amazing....

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Re: What would the climate be of the world in this situation?
« Reply #19 on: July 28, 2016, 08:20:11 AM »
Wait, I changed 10 degrees for NZ and Australia to 5 degrees.

in which case see my previous answer, but decrease the temperature by 0.15864 °C and increase precipitation by 12.4568711 mm and that should do it ;)

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Re: What would the climate be of the world in this situation?
« Reply #20 on: July 29, 2016, 01:47:17 AM »
As for moving places east, instead of moving a place 140 degrees west if you can't move it any further east, you could just subtract it with 120 and put E instead of W.
Example:

179°0′E-120=59'E

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Re: What would the climate be of the world in this situation?
« Reply #21 on: August 03, 2016, 01:47:33 PM »
one thing to consider, if North&South America were to shift south, that would drop the ice fields in Canada down, causing mass melting
wonder how much of the east/west coast of continents would now be under water? - as well as the impact to the great lakes increasing in depth.
Moving Antartica north, may also cause more melting there - possibly wiping out central america with the increased ocean depth.

Seems like Kansas might not be a bad place to living after all this....

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Re: What would the climate be of the world in this situation?
« Reply #22 on: August 04, 2016, 11:53:16 AM »
one thing to consider, if North&South America were to shift south, that would drop the ice fields in Canada down, causing mass melting
wonder how much of the east/west coast of continents would now be under water? - as well as the impact to the great lakes increasing in depth.
Moving Antartica north, may also cause more melting there - possibly wiping out central america with the increased ocean depth.

Seems like Kansas might not be a bad place to living after all this....
What would Kansas be like?

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Re: What would the climate be of the world in this situation?
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Re: What would the climate be of the world in this situation?
« Reply #24 on: August 04, 2016, 03:59:45 PM »
What would Kansas be like?

Pretty much as flat and rectangular as it ever was.

 

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