I've placed throuble tickets in the past with GD concerning php not working. Their responce, it working fine, we can't find any problems. Well, they must have been runnuig it directly also. Because when I would embed the code in a page it wouln't work, not even on a page by it's self. I blame it on the code for the ad banner at the top of each of my web pages. Any way, thanks again for the info on the banner.