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Oklahoma Forecast Discussion
« on: May 23, 2011, 08:05:47 AM »
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DISCUSSION...
MAIN FOCUS IS ON SEVERE WEATHER POTENTIAL NEXT 2 DAYS.

THERE IS GROWING CONCERN THIS MORNING THAT A MORE WIDESPREAD SEVERE
EVENT MAY OCCUR LATER TODAY. THE AREA IS UNDISTURBED BY OVERNIGHT
CONVECTION... AND SKIES ARE MOSTLY CLEAR AT THE MOMENT. DIURNAL
HEATING SHOULD LEAD TO MODERATE TO EXTREME INSTABILITY AGAIN BY
AFTERNOON WITH SBCAPES 3000-5000 J/KG. DEEP-LAYER SHEAR /0-6KM/ IS
FORECAST TO BE STRONGER TODAY OVER THE MOIST SECTOR WITH MAGNITUDES
45-60KT OR SO BY 00Z THIS EVENING... VS 35-45KT SUNDAY EVENING.
SATELLITE LOOP INDICATES AN OMINOUS-LOOKING IMPULSE OVER N MEXICO
MOVING RAPIDLY ENE. THIS FEATURE EXTRAPOLATES TO N TX AREA THIS
AFTERNOON WITH A PROBABLE STEEPENING OF MID-LEVEL LAPSE RATES
WITHIN THE AREA OF DRYING ALOFT. BASED ON 06Z NAM WE WILL NOT HAVE
THE DRYLINE IN THE AREA AS A FOCUS... IT REMAINS NEAR OUR W
BORDER... BUT NAM INDICATES WIDESPREAD CONVECTION BLOWING UP
ACROSS THE ENTIRE MAIN BODY OF OKLAHOMA 18-21Z. THIS MAY BE
CONNECTED TO THE APPROACHING SYSTEM NOW NEAR EL PASO. UNLIKE THE
LAST 2 DAYS WHEN LIMITED AREAL COVERAGE PRECLUDED MORE THAN A
SLIGHT RISK... WE MAY HAVE THE OPPOSITE PROBLEM TODAY WITH STORMS
BECOMING TOO NUMEROUS AND UPDRAFT COMPETITION LIMITING THE CHANCES
OF ANY ONE STORM TO MAINTAIN DOMINANCE. BUT WITH ALL ELSE
SUPPORTING MORE WIDESPREAD SEVERE STORMS TODAY... WE ARE DISCUSSING
THE SITUATION FURTHER WITH SPC AND WILL GO TO A MODERATE RISK IN
THE UPCOMING HWO. WE PLAN TO DO ANOTHER 18Z SOUNDING TODAY.

TUESDAY HAS THE POTENTIAL TO BE EVEN WORSE IN TERMS OF WIDESPREAD
AND POSSIBLY SIGNIFICANT SEVERE WEATHER. MUCH WILL DEPEND ON HOW
STORMS EVOLVE TODAY AND TONIGHT. AXIS OF VERY POTENT NEGATIVE-TILT
UPPER TROUGH IS FORECAST TO MOVE INTO NM EARLY TUE AND DRIVE E INTO
W TX BY 18Z. EFFECTS OF THIS SYSTEM MAY ARRIVE RELATIVELY EARLY IN
OK ON TUE AND LEAD TO AN EARLY START TO THE CONVECTION. IF CAP HOLDS
OFF INITIATION UNTIL LATER IN THE DAY WHEN INSTABILITY WILL LIKELY
GO FROM STRONG TO EXTREME.. WE COULD BE LOOKING AT A SIGNIFICANT
SEVERE WEATHER OUTBREAK PER SWODY2.

UNSEASONABLY STRONG WINDS FOR LATE MAY COULD DEVELOP TUESDAY AND
WEDNESDAY IN ASSOCIATION WITH THE INTENSE 992-ISH SURFACE LOW -
ALSO UNSEASONABLY STRONG FOR LATE MAY. STRONGEST WINDS LIKELY TO
BE SOUTHWESTERLY OUT W TUESDAY AFTERNOON BEHIND THE DRY LINE...
AND FROM THE NW ON WEDNESDAY ON THE BACK SIDE OF THE LOW. GFS-MOS
GUIDANCE GIVES US 30-35 KT OVER W OK... AND 35-45 KT OVER W KS AND
NW TX. THIS IS VERY REMARKABLE FOR THIS LATE IN THE SPRING. WE
WILL NOT GO QUITE THAT STRONG... BUT VERY WELL MAY BE LOOKING AT
WIND ADVISORIES ON EITHER OR BOTH DAYS.


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Re: Oklahoma Forecast Discussion
« Reply #1 on: May 23, 2011, 11:49:42 AM »
They certainly have a right to worry.  Just about every index is up there.  LI -10, Cape over 4k.  Today has big written all over it. 
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Re: Oklahoma Forecast Discussion
« Reply #2 on: May 23, 2011, 01:00:56 PM »
They certainly have a right to worry.  Just about every index is up there.  LI -10, Cape over 4k.  Today has big written all over it. 
Man I hope not but you can't deny those numbers. Been a T season from hell. :sad:

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Re: Oklahoma Forecast Discussion
« Reply #3 on: May 23, 2011, 01:07:59 PM »
    The way things are going this year I agree with Ocala...."a T season from hell".
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Re: Oklahoma Forecast Discussion
« Reply #4 on: May 23, 2011, 04:02:00 PM »
There's now a tornado watch out for most of the western half of Oklahoma.  It doesn't include Oklahoma City.

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Re: Oklahoma Forecast Discussion
« Reply #5 on: May 23, 2011, 06:37:52 PM »
There's now a tornado watch out for most of the western half of Oklahoma.  It doesn't include Oklahoma City.

EAstern OK is more under the gun tomorrow; limiited heating has really held down some of those number, but that won't be the case tomorrow.  The weatherheads on the tubes here are extremely concerned, especially tomorrow evening, WRT night-time tornadoes.  Eesh.

We have a warning out now just north and west of me, but it appears that storm is more on an easterly vector.  As long as it doesn't start 'right-turning' I should be ok.  And the area it's over now is almost all rural.
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Re: Oklahoma Forecast Discussion
« Reply #6 on: May 23, 2011, 07:16:08 PM »
   Hard to believe that they are forcasting to be worse than it has been already.
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Re: Oklahoma Forecast Discussion
« Reply #7 on: May 23, 2011, 07:32:45 PM »
   Hard to believe that they are forcasting to be worse than it has been already.
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Re: Oklahoma Forecast Discussion
« Reply #8 on: May 24, 2011, 02:17:55 AM »
Looks like we are most definitely under the gun tomorrow...

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Re: Oklahoma Forecast Discussion
« Reply #9 on: May 24, 2011, 12:20:56 PM »
today definitely has outbreak written all over it.  Tomorrow too.  Let's just all hope any towns are spared. 
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Re: Oklahoma Forecast Discussion
« Reply #10 on: May 24, 2011, 01:56:58 PM »
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HAZARDOUS WEATHER OUTLOOK
NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE NORMAN OK
1207 PM CDT TUE MAY 24 2011

OKZ004>048-050>052-TXZ083>090-251000-
HARPER-WOODS-ALFALFA-GRANT-KAY-ELLIS-WOODWARD-MAJOR-GARFIELD-NOBLE-
ROGER MILLS-DEWEY-CUSTER-BLAINE-KINGFISHER-LOGAN-PAYNE-BECKHAM-
WASHITA-CADDO-CANADIAN-OKLAHOMA-LINCOLN-GRADY-MCCLAIN-CLEVELAND-
POTTAWATOMIE-SEMINOLE-HUGHES-HARMON-GREER-KIOWA-JACKSON-TILLMAN-
COMANCHE-STEPHENS-GARVIN-MURRAY-PONTOTOC-COAL-COTTON-JEFFERSON-
CARTER-JOHNSTON-ATOKA-LOVE-MARSHALL-BRYAN-HARDEMAN-FOARD-WILBARGER-
WICHITA-KNOX-BAYLOR-ARCHER-CLAY-
1207 PM CDT TUE MAY 24 2011

THIS HAZARDOUS WEATHER OUTLOOK COVERS NORTHERN...WESTERN...
CENTRAL...AND SOUTHERN OKLAHOMA...AND WESTERN NORTH TEXAS.

.DAY ONE...THIS AFTERNOON AND TONIGHT...

THUNDERSTORM OUTLOOK...
THERE IS A HIGH RISK OF SEVERE THUNDERSTORMS ACROSS MOST OF OKLAHOMA
AND PARTS OF WESTERN NORTH TEXAS.

LOCATION...
THE HIGH RISK AREA COVERS LOCATIONS NEAR AND EAST OF A LINE
EXTENDING FROM ALVA...TO WEATHERFORD...TO WICHITA FALLS. THIS
INCLUDES THE CITIES OF ALVA...ENID...PONCA CITY...THE OKLAHOMA CITY
METRO...LAWTON...WICHITA FALLS...ARDMORE...ADA...AND DURANT.

WEST OF THE HIGH RISK...THERE IS STILL A RISK OF SEVERE STORMS... AS
FAR WEST AS WOODWARD...CLINTON...HOBART...FREDERICK...AND SEYMOUR.

TIMING...
THE MOST LIKELY TIME FOR SEVERE THUNDERSTORMS WILL BE FROM 3 PM
THROUGH MIDNIGHT.

IMPACTS...
THE POTENTIAL EXISTS FOR VIOLENT TORNADOES...PRIMARILY IN THE HIGH
RISK AREA. DESTRUCTIVE HAIL...POSSIBLY LARGER THAN BASEBALLS...AND
DAMAGING STRAIGHT LINE WIND WILL ALSO BE POSSIBLE IN THE RISK AREAS.

RECOMMENDED ACTIONS...
STORM SPOTTER GROUPS...EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT...AND ALL EMERGENCY
RESPONSE AGENCIES ARE ENCOURAGED TO MAINTAIN A HIGH STATE OF
READINESS THROUGHOUT THE DAY AND EVENING. THE PUBLIC SHOULD REVIEW
SEVERE WEATHER SAFETY PLANS AND BE PREPARED TO TAKE ACTION.

DISCUSSION...
A VERY STRONG UPPER-LEVEL STORM SYSTEM WILL MOVE QUICKLY OVER THE
REGION TODAY AND TONIGHT. WITH VERY MOIST AND UNSTABLE AIR AHEAD OF
THIS STORM...SIGNIFICANT SEVERE WEATHER IS EXPECTED. STORMS ARE
EXPECTED TO DEVELOP BY MID-AFTERNOON JUST WEST OF THE HIGH RISK
AREA...WITH STORM MOTIONS EASTERLY AT AROUND 30 MPH. WITH VERY
UNSTABLE CONDITIONS...AND STRONG WINDS AT ALL LEVELS OF THE
ATMOSPHERE...THE ENVIRONMENT WILL SUPPORT LONG-LIVED SUPERCELLS WITH
THE RISK FOR GIANT HAIL AND DAMAGING WINDS. TORNADOES WILL BE LIKELY
WITH THE MOST INTENSE STORMS...AND THE POTENTIAL WILL EXIST FOR ONE
OR MORE VIOLENT...LONG-TRACK TORNADOES IN THE HIGH RISK AREA.

THE RISK OF SEVERE WEATHER WILL CONTINUE WELL INTO THE NIGHT...BUT
SHOULD SHIFT INTO FAR EASTERN OKLAHOMA BY AROUND MIDNIGHT.

PROBABILITY TABLE...
VALID THROUGH 700 AM CDT WEDNESDAY MAY 25.
PROBABILITY OF THUNDERSTORMS OCCURRING IN THE
              NWS NORMAN COUNTY WARNING AREA...100 PERCENT.
PROBABILITY OF SEVERE STORMS IF STORMS OCCUR...100 PERCENT.

Just shut down the Ardmore public schools for pending storms. Not a storm on radar yet...this is a first.
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Re: Oklahoma Forecast Discussion
« Reply #11 on: May 24, 2011, 03:11:15 PM »
Here's NE Oklahoma HWO as of 1:25PM CDT...


FLUS44 KTSA 241825
HWOTSA

HAZARDOUS WEATHER OUTLOOK
NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE TULSA OK
125 PM CDT TUE MAY 24 2011

ARZ001-002-010-011-019-020-029-OKZ049-053>076-251000-
ADAIR OK-BENTON AR-CARROLL AR-CHEROKEE OK-CHOCTAW OK-CRAIG OK-
CRAWFORD AR-CREEK OK-DELAWARE OK-FRANKLIN AR-HASKELL OK-LATIMER OK-
LE FLORE OK-MADISON AR-MAYES OK-MCINTOSH OK-MUSKOGEE OK-NOWATA OK-
OKFUSKEE OK-OKMULGEE OK-OSAGE OK-OTTAWA OK-PAWNEE OK-PITTSBURG OK-
PUSHMATAHA OK-ROGERS OK-SEBASTIAN AR-SEQUOYAH OK-TULSA OK-WAGONER OK-
WASHINGTON OK-WASHINGTON AR-
125 PM CDT TUE MAY 24 2011

..OUTBREAK OF TORNADOES...SOME STRONG AND LONG TRACKED...LATE
THIS AFTERNOON AND EVENING...

...DANGEROUS FLOODING ONGOING...

THIS OUTLOOK IS FOR NORTHWEST AND WEST CENTRAL ARKANSAS AS WELL AS
MUCH OF EASTERN OKLAHOMA.

.DAY ONE...THIS AFTERNOON AND TONIGHT.
TORNADO.
RISK...SIGNIFICANT.
 AREA...ALL OF EASTERN OKLAHOMA AND NORTHWEST AND WEST CENTRAL ARKANSAS.
ONSET...AFTER 4 PM.

AREA AT GREATEST RISK...NORTHEAST OKLAHOMA AND FAR NORTHWEST ARKANSAS.

SEVERE THUNDERSTORM.
RISK...CRITICAL.
AREA...ALL OF EASTERN OKLAHOMA AND NORTHWEST AND WEST CENTRAL ARKANSAS.
ONSET...THIS AFTERNOON.

FLASH FLOOD.
RISK...ELEVATED.
AREA...NORTHEAST OKLAHOMA AND NORTHWEST AND WEST CENTRAL ARKANSAS.
ONSET...THIS EVENING.

SIGNIFICANT WINDS.
RISK...LIMITED.
AREA...ALL OF EASTERN OKLAHOMA AND NORTHWEST AND WEST CENTRAL ARKANSAS.
ONSET...ONGOING.



DISCUSSION...
A WIDESPREAD...AND POTENTIALLY LIFE THREATENING...SEVERE WEATHER
EPISODE IS EXPECTED UNFOLD LATER THIS AFTERNOON AND EVENING ACROSS EASTERN
OKLAHOMA AND NORTHWEST ARKANSAS. TH WEATHER PATTERN IS
HIGHLY FAVORABLE FOR LONG TRACK SUPERCELLS CAPABLE OF STRONG OR
VIOLENT TORNADOES...SOFTBALL SIZE HAIL...AND WINDS IN EXCESS
OF 70 MPH. THESE STORMS WILL DEVELOP ACROSS  WESTERN AND CENTRAL OKLAHOMA
BY MID AFTERNOON AND SPREAD EASTWARD DURING LATE AFTERNOON AND EVENING.

A STRONG UPPER LEVEL SYSTEM WILL BE MOVING INTO THE SOUTHERN
PLAINS WITH AN EXTREMELY UNSTABLE AIRMASS IN PLACE OVER MUCH OF
CENTRAL AND EASTERN OKLAHOMA. SCATTERED THUNDERSTORMS ARE EXPECTED
TO DEVELOP ALONG THE DRY LINE ACROSS WESTERN AND CENTRAL OKLAHOMA
LATER THIS AFTERNOON AND BECOME SEVERE VERY QUICKLY. FORECAST
WIND PROFILES ARE EXTREMELY FAVORABLE FOR LONG LIVED SUPERCELLS
CAPABLE OF PRODUCING TORNADOES.  STORMS WILL INCREASE IN COVERAGE
THROUGH THE EVENING AS THEY MOVE INTO NORTHWEST ARKANSAS WITH THE
THREAT OF WIDESPREAD DAMAGING SEVERE WEATHER CONTINUING LATE INTO
THE EVENING AND OVERNIGHT PERIOD.

ADDITIONALLY...DANGEROUS FLOODING REMAINS ONGOING OVER PARTS OF
NORTHEAST OKLAHOMA AND NORTHWEST ARKANSAS DUE TO HEAVY RAINFALL
MONDAY. ANY ADDITIONAL SIGNIFICANT RAIN WILL AGGRAVATE ONGOING FLOODING
ISSUES.


SPOTTER AND EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT ACTION STATEMENT...
ACTIVATION OF THE REGIONAL SPOTTER NETWORK EXPECTED BY LATE THIS
AFTERNOON AND WILL MOST LIKELY BE NEEDED THROUGH LATE THIS
EVENING. EMERGENCY MANAGERS SHOULD PREPARE FOR A HIGH-END SEVERE
WEATHER EVENT...INCLUDING THE POTENTIAL FOR RESCUE AND RECOVERY
EFFORTS.

.DAYS TWO THROUGH SEVEN...WEDNESDAY THROUGH MONDAY.
WEDNESDAY...THUNDERSTORM POTENTIAL...HIGH WIND POTENTIAL.
THURSDAY...NO HAZARDS.
FRIDAY...THUNDERSTORM POTENTIAL.
SATURDAY...THUNDERSTORM POTENTIAL.
SUNDAY...NO HAZARDS.
MONDAY...HIGH WIND POTENTIAL.

EXTENDED DISCUSSION...
THE UPPER LOW WILL CONTINUE TO MOVE EAST AND BRING MORE
THUNDERSTORM POTENTIAL WEDNESDAY...WITH A LIMITED THREAT FOR SEVERE
THUNDERSTORMS ACROSS MAINLY NORTHWEST ARKANSAS. THE NEXT CHANCE OF
STORMS AFTER THAT WILL BE FRIDAY NIGHT INTO SATURDAY...BUT AT THIS
TIME THE SEVERE WEATHER POTENTIAL LOOKS LIMITED. ONGOING RIVER
FLOODING WILL LIKELY CONTINUE THROUGH MUCH OF THE WEEK.


WWW.SRH.NOAA.GOV/TULSA CONTAINS ADDITIONAL INFORMATION.
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Scary scary stuff.  I'm leaving work early since I live with my mother to help take care of her.

Currently, the MUCAPE is about 2000, but forecast to go to about 5200 by 6pm, the LI right now is -4, but forecast is for -14 later this evening.  The helicity forecast for 10pm at 0-1km is 13.  That ain't playin' around.
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Re: Oklahoma Forecast Discussion
« Reply #12 on: May 24, 2011, 03:53:03 PM »
45% chance of having a tornado within 25 miles of any point inside this area.

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« Reply #13 on: May 24, 2011, 04:03:23 PM »
I think if this event had happened two years ago I'd be giddy with excitement.  Today I'm just sad.  My Dad asked me the other day what the difference between a moderate risk and a high risk is.  I said in a moderate risk someone might die, in a high risk someone is going to die.  I think that pretty much describes it. 

anyway, storms firing warnings galore.  We even have a watch up here in west central Illinois for this line plowing across Missouri. 

I would love for today to be a monumental bust.  Everything is just insane though.  Don't see numbers like this too often, unless of course it's spring of 2011, then it's a weekly occurrence.
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Re: Oklahoma Forecast Discussion
« Reply #14 on: May 24, 2011, 04:19:09 PM »
After all the violent storms across the nation this spring everyone here is really watching this very closely. Even my wife is gathering up flash lights and making all the kids come to our house. She normally is one that can "sleep" through a tornado. Not this spring.

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« Reply #15 on: May 24, 2011, 04:24:33 PM »
Stay safe today Doug, although it's not weather savvy guys like you and the others on this site I worry about.  You guys know what to do I'm sure.  Do you have a shelter or basement?
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Re: Oklahoma Forecast Discussion
« Reply #16 on: May 24, 2011, 04:34:42 PM »
 Do you have a shelter or basement?
Across the street. About 75' from the front door.

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« Reply #17 on: May 24, 2011, 04:38:46 PM »
Not me.  We have a 4x5 closet in the hall that is interior not touching external walls or windows.  But if I have more than 15 minutes I'm getting my mother (she's disabled) out of the house and somewhere more stable.  I'm hoping as early as these fired up that by the time they get to the Tulsa metro area some of the punch will be gone from the storms.  I hope that everyone is ok to begin with what the Twarns I'm seeing out west already.
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Re: Oklahoma Forecast Discussion
« Reply #18 on: May 24, 2011, 04:50:17 PM »
Well stay safe both of you.  This is going to be one heck of a night I fear.  The best dynamics aren't even in play yet and we have large tornadoes on the ground.
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« Reply #19 on: May 24, 2011, 05:10:49 PM »
Oh, dont worry about me: I am in WV, where we have only a slight risk for severe weather...It's not like I'm in eastern Texas right now....It looks like its getting shaky there soon....
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« Reply #20 on: May 24, 2011, 05:32:01 PM »
I have radar images to post...they look awful.
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« Reply #21 on: May 24, 2011, 06:48:58 PM »
   Right now there are two hook-echoes to the SW of Oklahoma City that have tornadoes and debris balls on radar.  Velocities are impressive.  Great coverage on TWC as well.  My prayers are with everyone because this is just the beginning and there have been already impressive tornadoes!!!
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« Reply #22 on: May 24, 2011, 07:05:02 PM »
Stillwater is right in the cross hairs of a TVS and Meso.  Hope Bunty is in the cellar.

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« Reply #23 on: May 24, 2011, 07:15:54 PM »
Echo tops just north of Oklahoma City is up to 50,000ft....

This looks really bad :-(
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Re: Oklahoma Forecast Discussion
« Reply #24 on: May 24, 2011, 07:18:02 PM »
Stillwater is right in the cross hairs of a TVS and Meso.  Hope Bunty is in the cellar.

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That's for sure!!!  It definitely aint playing around!

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