Topic: The Warming Climate

[Jáchym]

Oil spills wiped out entire habitats, plus there are now technologies that substantially reduce or even eliminate the bird issue

[WheatonRon]

Oil spills wiped out entire habitats, plus there are now technologies that substantially reduce or even eliminate the bird issue

How do you keep birds from flying into the turbines? Make them walk on the ground underneath them, put nets around the blades? Seriously, inform us weather folks what technology elminates birds from flying into the blades. As we say (at least in the USA), operators are standing by for your response.

[hankster]

Then if wind generators can stand on their own piles without any tax payer subsidies then so be it, governments should immediately stop subsidizing them. I can already hear the hue n cry but no point claiming they don't need subsidies until the subsidies are zero.   

You do know that conventional energy production is heavily subsidized don't you?

[hankster]

Oil spills wiped out entire habitats, plus there are now technologies that substantially reduce or even eliminate the bird issue

How do you keep birds from flying into the turbines? Make them walk on the ground underneath them, put nets around the blades? Seriously, inform us weather folks what technology elminates birds from flying into the blades. As we say (at least in the USA), operators are standing by for your response.

Wind turbines kill between 214,000 and 368,000 birds annually — a small fraction compared with the estimated 6.8 million fatalities from collisions with cell and radio towers and the 1.4 billion to 3.7 billion deaths from cats, according to the peer-reviewed study by two federal scientists and the environmental consulting firm West Inc.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/money/business/2014/09/15/wind-turbines-kill-fewer-birds-than-cell-towers-cats/15683843/

[Mattk]

Then if wind generators can stand on their own piles without any tax payer subsidies then so be it, governments should immediately stop subsidizing them. I can already hear the hue n cry but no point claiming they don't need subsidies until the subsidies are zero.   

You do know that conventional energy production is heavily subsidized don't you?

Your heavily subsidized claim is rather over hyped. Much of the subsidy stuff is that mandated by gov on the power user to cover what is "given" to the renewables. Typical subsidy (mainly paid to coal mining) is $130m, Solar $2,002m, wind $388m (infant stage) or in real terms $0.86/MWh for coal fired, $412/MWh for solar, $42/MWh (but increasing) for wind. Conventional energy production is heavily subsidized is rubbish, in this country conventional gets $0.70/MWh and Renewables get $76/MWh.

I say cut all subsidies all together, no more handouts for minimal input

[Jáchym]

Then if wind generators can stand on their own piles without any tax payer subsidies then so be it, governments should immediately stop subsidizing them. I can already hear the hue n cry but no point claiming they don't need subsidies until the subsidies are zero.   

Im of course not American, but let´s pretend I am.
I understand you might not like the fact you are in a way also paying for this. However! If I were American, I would also be paying billions towards things I dont like...

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2015/may/12/us-taxpayers-subsidising-worlds-biggest-fossil-fuel-companies

[Mattk]

Then if wind generators can stand on their own piles without any tax payer subsidies then so be it, governments should immediately stop subsidizing them. I can already hear the hue n cry but no point claiming they don't need subsidies until the subsidies are zero.   

Im of course not American, but let´s pretend I am.
I understand you might not like the fact you are in a way also paying for this. However! If I were American, I would also be paying billions towards things I dont like...

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2015/may/12/us-taxpayers-subsidising-worlds-biggest-fossil-fuel-companies

Not being American leaves me out but then Trump will fix that for you

[Jáchym]

First of all, Trump already realized that all he promised is obviously not going to happen, his power is not resolute in all cases.

Second, even if the U.S. withdraws from the Paris agreement it is not going to be the end of the world, globally U.S. is just one of the larger countries, not something that everyone depends on.

[gillesroszak]

And they account for only 15% of global releases. If the remaining 85% work in the right direction the improvement will be noticeable

[ValentineWeather]

I hope the hell we withdraw from from the Paris agreement. It was done by an Obama executive order without going through congress so needs to go away.
Look at how the rest of the world lives up to these so called agreements. They don't... Just take the Nato agreement 23 of 28 countries don't pay their agreed upon share including the richest country in Europe.... Germany. 

The USA can still make their obligation of cutting emissions agreed upon by the Paris agreement without cutting a check for billions. This was just another bad deal we got stuck into by the last administration pushing the far left globalism agenda.

[SoMDWx]

I am for that if the US still takes strides in cutting emissions and further enhancements in energy alternatives.  EU doesn't like it now because they now have to cough up their share of the burden which is what they originally signed on to do anyway. The $75 billion that was being written to support the EU share of the bargain can now be used here to clean up our own backyard...and still reduce emissions.

[tbrasel]

I am for that if the US still takes strides in cutting emissions and further enhancements in energy alternatives.  EU doesn't like it now because they now have to cough up their share of the burden which is what they originally signed on to do anyway. The $75 billion that was being written to support the EU share of the bargain can now be used here to clean up our own backyard...and still reduce emissions.

Yes I absolutely agree, this is substance instead of providing links to a narrative.

[waiukuweather]

They don't... Just take the Nato agreement 23 of 28 countries don't pay their agreed upon share including the richest country in Europe.... Germany.

but that is fake news from Trump himself
that is not how Nato works

[SoMDWx]

that's right. That's how NATO doesn't work.... Agreed upon is 2% GDP to be spent upon NATO missions/etc. There are those not meeting that requirement within NATO and thus the burden to compensate comes from the US and possibly other nations. All that was ask was those parties to start living up to their end of the agreement and pay their share. They are not being asked to pay above the 2% level, just meet that level as signed to.

[waiukuweather]

the rest of the world is looking at each other for support now, with the USA being left out on its own more and more now, under Trump's america first (I have no problem with what a country decides to do for its own country)

[waiukuweather]

not long to go now
https://www.wunderground.com/news/larsen-c-crack-iceberg-global-warming?__prclt=hhC9hy63

[waiukuweather]

and its official, USA has pulled out of the Paris agreement (which the rest of the world signed up to)

global warming will carry on anyway

it might be a good thing, as other countries will be spurred to do more (and states within the USA might be spurred on to do more as well, e.g California)

[Bushman]

China will carry the ball for the US.  Too funny.

[waiukuweather]

yes, other countries in the world are taking up more leadership roles in allot of things
as the USA is becoming less and less of a world leader in allot of areas now (under the USA first rule)

[Mattk]

Might be a few climate scientists worrying about their funding now?   

[Mattk]

Regard the US it's interesting that Obama signed up the US without any ratification, which some agreed with but now Trump has un-signed the agreement without ratification those same people are calling fowl, interesting double standards being applied by some.

[waiukuweather]

Might be a few climate scientists worrying about their funding now?

but its a global problem
so there are plenty of climate scientists around the world who will be picking up the slack (and who do not rely on grants etc) and carrying on the research
remember that the USA is not the world

[Mattk]

Then the USA pulling out should be no big deal? 

[waiukuweather]

you could say not really in the long run
as other countries are going to benefit in leadership in renewable energy (which will create jobs etc) (which the USA could lose out on )

[Mattk]

you could say not really in the long run
as other countries are going to benefit in leadership in renewable energy (which will create jobs etc) (which the USA could lose out on )

Starting to sound more like a climate scientist, that's nothing more than speculation.