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Title: myAcurite (the MBW replacement) announced
Post by: nincehelser on July 07, 2016, 09:13:08 AM

https://www.acurite.com/learn/my-acurite

Not everything is covered in much detail, though, but it's a start.
Title: Re: myAcurite (the MBW replacement) announced
Post by: Adrian23 on July 07, 2016, 10:22:08 AM
Wow I must say i'am impressed! Cant wait for this.

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Title: Re: myAcurite (the MBW replacement) announced
Post by: Inverno on July 07, 2016, 01:09:54 PM
The interface looks a lot nicer and more modern, so to speak.  From reading forums, it sounds like the Acurite user community is craving faster update times to weather underground without using third-party software, myself included.  I guess it follows the trend of society today with needing to know now.
Title: Re: myAcurite (the MBW replacement) announced
Post by: Bushman on July 07, 2016, 01:45:46 PM
Certainly looking good.  :)  I am pretty pumped about some of the new sensors - hopefully they will work with the Internet bridge.  Maybe I will start a thread on them?
Title: Re: myAcurite (the MBW replacement) announced
Post by: nincehelser on July 07, 2016, 01:52:47 PM
Certainly looking good.  :)  I am pretty pumped about some of the new sensors - hopefully they will work with the Internet bridge.  Maybe I will start a thread on them?

I believe some of those sensors are already are already on the market.  They haven't been made compatible with MBW.

There's a good reason for that, if you catch my drift. ;)
Title: Re: myAcurite (the MBW replacement) announced
Post by: DoctorKnow on July 07, 2016, 02:29:45 PM
So they will come out with a new "bridge pro" I expect...
Title: Re: myAcurite (the MBW replacement) announced
Post by: nincehelser on July 07, 2016, 02:46:22 PM
So they will come out with a new "bridge pro" I expect...

You didn't quite catch my drift.
Title: Re: myAcurite (the MBW replacement) announced
Post by: Adrian23 on July 07, 2016, 04:12:01 PM
Certainly looking good.  :)  I am pretty pumped about some of the new sensors - hopefully they will work with the Internet bridge.  Maybe I will start a thread on them?

Didn't read anything about new sensors...
Title: Re: myAcurite (the MBW replacement) announced
Post by: nincehelser on July 07, 2016, 04:29:38 PM
Certainly looking good.  :)  I am pretty pumped about some of the new sensors - hopefully they will work with the Internet bridge.  Maybe I will start a thread on them?

Didn't read anything about new sensors...

I guess they're not explicitly listed, but look on this page for the sensors marked "new" : https://www.acurite.com/accessories-parts.html

You'll need to scroll to the right.
Title: Re: myAcurite (the MBW replacement) announced
Post by: Adrian23 on July 07, 2016, 06:46:51 PM
So director on acurite forum said faster then 5 min updates coming..the current 15 min update to WU is absurd. look forward to this.
Title: Re: myAcurite (the MBW replacement) announced
Post by: nincehelser on July 07, 2016, 06:52:49 PM
So director on acurite forum said faster then 5 min updates coming..the current 15 min update to WU is absurd. look forward to this.

Larry just spilled the beans so I guess I can say a little more about it.

I haven't actually timed the transmissions, but we're looking somewhere between 18 and 36 seconds.
Title: Re: myAcurite (the MBW replacement) announced
Post by: Jáchym on July 07, 2016, 06:54:26 PM
Not bad at all, nothing unique, but definitely a welcomed improvement for Acurite users
Title: Re: myAcurite (the MBW replacement) announced
Post by: Adrian23 on July 07, 2016, 07:01:53 PM
So director on acurite forum said faster then 5 min updates coming..the current 15 min update to WU is absurd. look forward to this.

Larry just spilled the beans so I guess I can say a little more about it.

I haven't actually timed the transmissions, but we're looking somewhere between 18 and 36 seconds.

Um woah awesome! So what will happen to my meteobridge? Still use it? New platform will also produce gusts?
Title: Re: myAcurite (the MBW replacement) announced
Post by: Jáchym on July 07, 2016, 07:08:03 PM
And lets hope it will also be an impulse for Davis and their WL, because the 10min interval there is also useless for for example wind speed or gust (and even better if they finally enabled FTP uploads to own server :D)
Title: Re: myAcurite (the MBW replacement) announced
Post by: nincehelser on July 07, 2016, 07:33:37 PM
Um woah awesome! So what will happen to my meteobridge? Still use it? New platform will also produce gusts?

Current third-party solutions will have to adapt to some changes.  It shouldn't be a big deal, though.

But as far as WU rapid-fire is concerned, you won't need any third-party solution.

As to specific features, I can't say yet.  It's always possible some features might not make the initial release date, but I'm hopeful they'll have things ready.  (I'm not even sure when the official release day is.)

Title: Re: myAcurite (the MBW replacement) announced
Post by: Adrian23 on July 07, 2016, 07:38:24 PM
Um woah awesome! So what will happen to my meteobridge? Still use it? New platform will also produce gusts?

Current third-party solutions will have to adapt to some changes.  It shouldn't be a big deal, though.

But as far as WU rapid-fire is concerned, you won't need any third-party solution.

As to specific features, I can't say yet.  It's always possible some features might not make the initial release date, but I'm hopeful they'll have things ready.  (I'm not even sure when the official release day is.)

So no need to remove anything I currently have installed? So I will have rapid-fire without need to have pc on all the time Not a fan of that at all.
Title: Re: myAcurite (the MBW replacement) announced
Post by: CW2274 on July 07, 2016, 07:44:38 PM
And lets hope it will also be an impulse for Davis and their WL, because the 10min interval there is also useless for for example wind speed or gust (and even better if they finally enabled FTP uploads to own server :D)
Ummm, what? I wait 10 minutes for nothing. Perhaps I'm misunderstanding what you're referring to. :?:
Title: Re: myAcurite (the MBW replacement) announced
Post by: Jáchym on July 07, 2016, 07:48:48 PM
As far as I know WP-Link only updates WU every 10 minutes and does not allow you to send data to anywhere else, like your own server for example.

And yes they do have their own API at wl.com, but it is not the cheapest and more importantly, there is for example no wind gust. I just had a guy asking me about it. The problem is that it only tells you the daily max gust, but for current data it only gives you "average wind speed"
Title: Re: myAcurite (the MBW replacement) announced
Post by: CW2274 on July 07, 2016, 07:56:12 PM
As far as I know WP-Link only updates WU every 10 minutes and does not allow you to send data to anywhere else, like your own server for example.

And yes they do have their own API at wl.com, but it is not the cheapest and more importantly, there is for example no wind gust. I just had a guy asking me about it. The problem is that it only tells you the daily max gust, but for current data it only gives you "average wind speed"
OK, I see the miscommunication, you're referring to WL-IP. I don't use that as I gave it back for the USB version which will send data every 1 minute if one chooses to, or WU rapid fire for the instant feed.
Title: Re: myAcurite (the MBW replacement) announced
Post by: Jáchym on July 07, 2016, 08:01:09 PM
Yes, sorry I should have made that clear.

That wind gust is really a problem. Because since the data in my template is logged every 5 minutes, the only thing I can use for the gust is the wind speed average, i.e. the same number as for wind. And then obviously the highest wind speed of the day is missing. WL only gives the maximum value for the day, but that is one number, so I cannot assign it to one particular time of the day, plus if you do for example stats by hours, you simply miss the highest speeds...

But thats OT :D
Title: Re: myAcurite (the MBW replacement) announced
Post by: nincehelser on July 07, 2016, 08:07:54 PM
So no need to remove anything I currently have installed? So I will have rapid-fire without need to have pc on all the time Not a fan of that at all.

Oh, wait.  Are you currently using a USB console and meteobridge to report to the internet? 

If so, the transition plan may be different.  I'll have to think about that and ask Larry about that particular setup.
Title: Re: myAcurite (the MBW replacement) announced
Post by: Adrian23 on July 07, 2016, 08:10:52 PM
So no need to remove anything I currently have installed? So I will have rapid-fire without need to have pc on all the time Not a fan of that at all.

Oh, wait.  Are you currently using a USB console and meteobridge to report to the internet? 

If so, the transition plan may be different.  I'll have to think about that and ask Larry about that particular setup.

" No usb " just meteobridge and aculink bridge connected to my internet router. Now you got my concerned.
Title: Re: myAcurite (the MBW replacement) announced
Post by: nincehelser on July 07, 2016, 08:21:27 PM
So no need to remove anything I currently have installed? So I will have rapid-fire without need to have pc on all the time Not a fan of that at all.

Oh, wait.  Are you currently using a USB console and meteobridge to report to the internet? 

If so, the transition plan may be different.  I'll have to think about that and ask Larry about that particular setup.

" No usb " just meteobridge and aculink bridge connected to my router. Now you got my concerned.

OK.  That configuration I understand.  Just to be safe, you'll want to remove meteobridge and have your Aculink bridge connected directly to your router.  There's going to be a lot of things going on with the bridge during the transition process, and you don't want any possibility of that being disrupted (or you might end up with a brick).   

Assuming the meteobridge gets updated to understand the new setup, you can put it back in.  You may need to do that to report to other weather networks that are not supported by Acurite (e.g. CWOP).

In your setup, you won't need a PC on at all.
Title: Re: myAcurite (the MBW replacement) announced
Post by: Adrian23 on July 07, 2016, 08:40:07 PM
So no need to remove anything I currently have installed? So I will have rapid-fire without need to have pc on all the time Not a fan of that at all.

Oh, wait.  Are you currently using a USB console and meteobridge to report to the internet? 

If so, the transition plan may be different.  I'll have to think about that and ask Larry about that particular setup.

" No usb " just meteobridge and aculink bridge connected to my router. Now you got my concerned.

OK.  That configuration I understand.  Just to be safe, you'll want to remove meteobridge and have your Aculink bridge connected directly to your router.  There's going to be a lot of things going on with the bridge during the transition process, and you don't want any possibility of that being disrupted (or you might end up with a brick).   

Assuming the meteobridge gets updated to understand the new setup, you can put it back in.  You may need to do that to report to other weather networks that are not supported by Acurite (e.g. CWOP).

In your setup, you won't need a PC on at all.

Ok so if I understand you want me  to disconnect my meteobridge and connect the aculink bridge directly to me router on the release day when I update into the new platform? Reporting to CWOP is very important to me so what will happen to that? When exactly do I reconnect the meteobridge again cause aculink bridge as you said does not support CWOP and other 3rd party sites. Sorry for all the questions and again thx for your help.

You asked Larry about this?
Title: Re: myAcurite (the MBW replacement) announced
Post by: nincehelser on July 07, 2016, 08:49:49 PM
Ok so if I understand you want me  to disconnect my meteobridge and connect the aculink bridge directly to me router on the release day when I update into the new platform? Reporting to CWOP is very important to me so what will happen to that? When exactly do I reconnect the meteobridge again cause aculink bridge as you said does not support CWOP and other 3rd party sites. Sorry for all the questions and again thx for your help.

That's something you'll need to discuss with the author/maker of meteobridge.  He'll need to adapt his code to the changes. Maybe he's in the loop already.  I don't know.

I don't think you'll be forced to switch on any particular day.  Transitioning will probably occur over a couple of months,  so you should have some time to coordinate whatever needs to be done on the meteobridge side to avoid a lot of downtime.
Title: Re: myAcurite (the MBW replacement) announced
Post by: nincehelser on July 07, 2016, 08:52:51 PM

You asked Larry about this?

Yes.  Just sent him an email.  I've mentioned it to him before, but it hasn't been discussed in any detail.
Title: Re: myAcurite (the MBW replacement) announced
Post by: Adrian23 on July 07, 2016, 08:54:18 PM
Ok so if I understand you want me  to disconnect my meteobridge and connect the aculink bridge directly to me router on the release day when I update into the new platform? Reporting to CWOP is very important to me so what will happen to that? When exactly do I reconnect the meteobridge again cause aculink bridge as you said does not support CWOP and other 3rd party sites. Sorry for all the questions and again thx for your help.

That's something you'll need to discuss with the author/maker of meteobridge.  He'll need to adapt his code to the changes. Maybe he's in the loop already.  I don't know.

I don't think you'll be forced to switch on any particular day.  Transitioning will probably occur over a couple of months,  so you should have some time to coordinate whatever needs to be done on the meteobridge side to avoid a lot of downtime.

Ok but how long will I have the meteobridge disconnected and exactly when will I know to remove it? How is this transitioning done on my side?
Title: Re: myAcurite (the MBW replacement) announced
Post by: nincehelser on July 07, 2016, 09:02:54 PM

Ok but how long will I have the meteobridge disconnected and exactly when will I know to remove it? How is this transitioning done on my side?

I don't know what the final plan will be.  All I know is that there will be a gradual migration of existing users over a couple of months.  I expect it will be a "user-friendly" process.
Title: Re: myAcurite (the MBW replacement) announced
Post by: daman on July 07, 2016, 09:06:03 PM
That signal extender will be nice!!!

https://www.acurite.com/wireless-signal-extender-for-acurite-sensors.html
Title: Re: myAcurite (the MBW replacement) announced
Post by: Bushman on July 07, 2016, 09:08:35 PM
So no need to remove anything I currently have installed? So I will have rapid-fire without need to have pc on all the time Not a fan of that at all.

Oh, wait.  Are you currently using a USB console and meteobridge to report to the internet? 

If so, the transition plan may be different.  I'll have to think about that and ask Larry about that particular setup.

" No usb " just meteobridge and aculink bridge connected to my router. Now you got my concerned.

OK.  That configuration I understand.  Just to be safe, you'll want to remove meteobridge and have your Aculink bridge connected directly to your router.  There's going to be a lot of things going on with the bridge during the transition process, and you don't want any possibility of that being disrupted (or you might end up with a brick).   

Assuming the meteobridge gets updated to understand the new setup, you can put it back in.  You may need to do that to report to other weather networks that are not supported by Acurite (e.g. CWOP).

In your setup, you won't need a PC on at all.

So trash my Meteobridge - and lose SQL and other service PUSH services?  The new, improved Bridge will do all that?

I thought not...
Title: Re: myAcurite (the MBW replacement) announced
Post by: Bushman on July 07, 2016, 09:09:35 PM
That signal extender will be nice!!!

https://www.acurite.com/wireless-signal-extender-for-acurite-sensors.html

Great - another hobbled device.  My current standalone Xmitters can't go 30 feet: I am supposed to buy more crap to bridge the 15 feet?  FUD.
Title: Re: myAcurite (the MBW replacement) announced
Post by: daman on July 07, 2016, 09:12:13 PM
That signal extender will be nice!!!

https://www.acurite.com/wireless-signal-extender-for-acurite-sensors.html

Great - another hobbled device.  My current standalone Xmitters can't go 30 feet: I am supposed to buy more crap to bridge the 15 feet?  FUD.
I agree but at least there's an option.
Title: Re: myAcurite (the MBW replacement) announced
Post by: Adrian23 on July 07, 2016, 09:13:43 PM
So no need to remove anything I currently have installed? So I will have rapid-fire without need to have pc on all the time Not a fan of that at all.

Oh, wait.  Are you currently using a USB console and meteobridge to report to the internet? 

If so, the transition plan may be different.  I'll have to think about that and ask Larry about that particular setup.

" No usb " just meteobridge and aculink bridge connected to my router. Now you got my concerned.

OK.  That configuration I understand.  Just to be safe, you'll want to remove meteobridge and have your Aculink bridge connected directly to your router.  There's going to be a lot of things going on with the bridge during the transition process, and you don't want any possibility of that being disrupted (or you might end up with a brick).   

Assuming the meteobridge gets updated to understand the new setup, you can put it back in.  You may need to do that to report to other weather networks that are not supported by Acurite (e.g. CWOP).

In your setup, you won't need a PC on at all.

So trash my Meteobridge - and lose SQL and other service PUSH services?  The new, improved Bridge will do all that?

I thought not...

Yea losts of questions here in terms of Meteobridge! Iam certainly not gonna lose my 200$ bucks which I paid for meteobridge and most important my data being sent to CWOP.
Title: Re: myAcurite (the MBW replacement) announced
Post by: nincehelser on July 07, 2016, 09:16:36 PM
So trash my Meteobridge - and lose SQL and other service PUSH services?  The new, improved Bridge will do all that?

I thought not...

Yea losts of questions here in terms of Meteobridge! Iam certainly not gonna lose my 200$ bucks which I paid for meteobridge and most important my data being sent to CWOP.

No one said you had to "trash" your meteobridge.  The author will have to provide an update for it, though.
Title: Re: myAcurite (the MBW replacement) announced
Post by: haroldashe on July 07, 2016, 11:55:03 PM
I just sent a post to Boris on the Meteobridge forum asking whether he planned to update/revise MB to accommodate the new AcuLink platform.  Let's see what the response is.  Hopefully, he is aware of it and feverishly at work as we speak.  :grin:
Title: Re: myAcurite (the MBW replacement) announced
Post by: Bushman on July 08, 2016, 12:49:44 AM
Since MB acts like a vampire, I suspect it will not have to be changed at all. BICBW.  As long as Acurite does not change its protocol which I cannot see them doing at the risk of killing off their existing clientle.
Title: Re: myAcurite (the MBW replacement) announced
Post by: nincehelser on July 08, 2016, 12:57:11 AM
Since MB acts like a vampire, I suspect it will not have to be changed at all. BICBW.  As long as Acurite does not change its protocol which I cannot see them doing at the risk of killing off their existing clientle.

YYCBW  ;)
Title: Re: myAcurite (the MBW replacement) announced
Post by: Bushman on July 08, 2016, 11:59:55 AM
Well I will refuse to upgrade the bridge just to get the new MBW.  I really don't use the current one much.  Call me a Luddite, but this sort of progress at the expense of a major install based is just plain money-grubbing stupidity on Chaney's part.

(As an aside, if this goes as expected, there should be a fire sale on the old stuff.  Yippee!)
Title: Re: myAcurite (the MBW replacement) announced
Post by: Adrian23 on July 08, 2016, 12:09:24 PM
I just sent a post to Boris on the Meteobridge forum asking whether he planned to update/revise MB to accommodate the new AcuLink platform.  Let's see what the response is.  Hopefully, he is aware of it and feverishly at work as we speak.  :grin:

Keep us updated on what he says. thx
Title: Re: myAcurite (the MBW replacement) announced
Post by: nincehelser on July 08, 2016, 12:25:19 PM
Well I will refuse to upgrade the bridge just to get the new MBW.  I really don't use the current one much.  Call me a Luddite, but this sort of progress at the expense of a major install based is just plain money-grubbing stupidity on Chaney's part.

(As an aside, if this goes as expected, there should be a fire sale on the old stuff.  Yippee!)

I don't expect there will be any "old stuff" to be had.   :lol:
Title: Re: myAcurite (the MBW replacement) announced
Post by: Bushman on July 08, 2016, 01:01:33 PM
There's tons of it around...  Lowes had dozens of boxes of the stuff when I was last there.  And if not, when it goes, it goes.  I am only out one Meteobridge license (I have another for my Davis); might even be able to horse trade that excess one.
Title: Re: myAcurite (the MBW replacement) announced
Post by: DoctorKnow on July 08, 2016, 01:08:54 PM
Well I will refuse to upgrade the bridge just to get the new MBW.  I really don't use the current one much.  Call me a Luddite, but this sort of progress at the expense of a major install based is just plain money-grubbing stupidity on Chaney's part.

(As an aside, if this goes as expected, there should be a fire sale on the old stuff.  Yippee!)

I won't either. We should be able to stick to what we have if we block the upload to aculink I would think.
Title: Re: myAcurite (the MBW replacement) announced
Post by: nincehelser on July 08, 2016, 01:12:40 PM
There's tons of it around...  Lowes had dozens of boxes of the stuff when I was last there.  And if not, when it goes, it goes.  I am only out one Meteobridge license (I have another for my Davis); might even be able to horse trade that excess one.

The stuff at Lowes is still going to work fine.  It's not going to be like you think.   :-)
Title: Re: myAcurite (the MBW replacement) announced
Post by: DoctorKnow on July 09, 2016, 07:37:15 AM
I've got a brand new OS weather station on the way. It will be a step above acurite. No matter what happens, I will see no interruptions of information flowing the the NWS, or PWS wx. It will give 14 second wind updates, and has a huge spoon anemometer and vain.
Title: Re: myAcurite (the MBW replacement) announced
Post by: Inverno on July 09, 2016, 07:48:29 AM
What brand did you buy?
Title: Re: myAcurite (the MBW replacement) announced
Post by: DoctorKnow on July 09, 2016, 08:01:01 AM
Oregon WMR100
Title: Re: myAcurite (the MBW replacement) announced
Post by: nincehelser on July 09, 2016, 09:01:46 AM
Just to clear up the FUD being spread...

1. The existing base of Acurite hardware will all move forward and be supported by the new platform.  No hardware is going out-of-date.

2. Specifically, existing bridges will have their firmware updated.  Software for Acurite's USB consoles will also be updated as necessary.

3. Nothing new needs to be purchased to use the new platform. 

4. The new platform will be free to use, just as it was before.  Everyone gets the new features for free.

5. The old MBW platform will eventually be shut down, but there will be a least a couple of months for folks to make the transition.

6. Third-party products may need to adapt.  The new bridge protocol is substantially different, but it is now much easier to understand.

7. The bridge is being re-named "SmartHUB".  It's the same hardware, but with the new firmware.


I hope this helps clear things up.
Title: Re: myAcurite (the MBW replacement) announced
Post by: Jáchym on July 09, 2016, 10:20:23 AM
I think the problem is not so much in the fact that developers, like Boris for example, the developer of Meteobridge, will have to make change. I think that a developer when using someone else´s API has to be prepared that the other side can make changes any time.

so it is not really a question of "will it work or not" - sooner or later yes, but in this perspective the most important is that the other side (in this case Acurite) publish all the detailed info about the changes and how to implement them, so that the developer has enough time to make them.

I am saying this especially because it just happened 2 weeks ago, that Google Maps API changed and now requires an API key. Thats fine, I can understand why Google did that, but... it needs changes to be made in the scripts and they sort of didnt think this through carefully. They give you 3 months to fix this, ie. it works for another 90 days, just showing you notification you need to make that change. But there are three groups of people, and one has a problem:

- existing users: not an issue, shows notification, 90 more days to make the necessary changes
- new users: if you do everything yourself you dont have a problem. When setting it up, you simply use the new syntax already
- developers: problem... because if you are making this for other users, then they might download it and so your scripts have to be changed from day 1 after the change otherwise since they are new users, it wont work for them. And so I had to quickly update 71 scripts and that had to be done ASAP because Google basically implemented the change the moment they published info about it on their blog and I started getting emails from people who just installed my template for the first time, that their maps are not working.

Boris is quite busy, but I am sure he will make the necessary changes so that Meteobridge works with it again, in the end it is in his own interest. However, it is important that he gets all the info in advance so there is no gap between when this is implemented and when the dependent software is changed.
Title: Re: myAcurite (the MBW replacement) announced
Post by: Bushman on July 09, 2016, 10:47:37 AM
Just to clear up the FUD being spread...

1. The existing base of Acurite hardware will all move forward and be supported by the new platform.  No hardware is going out-of-date.

2. Specifically, existing bridges will have their firmware updated.  Software for Acurite's USB consoles will also be updated as necessary.

3. Nothing new needs to be purchased to use the new platform. 

4. The new platform will be free to use, just as it was before.  Everyone gets the new features for free.

5. The old MBW platform will eventually be shut down, but there will be a least a couple of months for folks to make the transition.

6. Third-party products may need to adapt.  The new bridge protocol is substantially different, but it is now much easier to understand.

7. The bridge is being re-named "SmartHUB".  It's the same hardware, but with the new firmware.


I hope this helps clear things up.

Thanks!  But someone should tell Chaney that "SmartHUB" is a trademarked by several other companies for other HW, SW and apps.  It is kind of a nonsensical name any way; reminds me of a bicycle part.  Shoulda been named something to do with weather and home monitoring.  My $0.02
Title: Re: myAcurite (the MBW replacement) announced
Post by: nincehelser on July 09, 2016, 11:19:04 AM
I think the problem is not so much in the fact that developers, like Boris for example, the developer of Meteobridge, will have to make change. I think that a developer when using someone else´s API has to be prepared that the other side can make changes any time.

so it is not really a question of "will it work or not" - sooner or later yes, but in this perspective the most important is that the other side (in this case Acurite) publish all the detailed info about the changes and how to implement them, so that the developer has enough time to make them.

True, but it's important to note that Acurite has never had a public API or openly shared development information to start with.  The 3rd-party solutions have either been reverse-engineered or done through private agreements or partnerships.

Will Acurite have a public API going forward?  I don't know.

In any case, the new protocol is very straightforward and human-readable.  It's no longer necessary to figure out things like how to process the raw baro data or understand the gray-code used by the wind vane.  It's now very similar to the protocol other weather services are using.

Title: Re: myAcurite (the MBW replacement) announced
Post by: weatherc on July 09, 2016, 11:25:01 AM
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I am saying this especially because it just happened 2 weeks ago, that Google Maps API changed and now requires an API key. Thats fine, I can understand why Google did that, but... it needs changes to be made in the scripts and they sort of didnt think this through carefully. They give you 3 months to fix this, ie. it works for another 90 days, just showing you notification you need to make that change. But there are three groups of people, and one has a problem:

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I don't understand why you are complaining about GMaps. The requirement for API-key have been there for long time but they haven't put it in force before now.
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Title: Re: myAcurite (the MBW replacement) announced
Post by: Jáchym on July 09, 2016, 11:25:05 AM
OK I was not aware of this.

I agree that if someone uses something through reverse-engineering, and an equivalent example for web would be using HTML scraping instead of dedicated API, then obviously it is a different situation and I can understand it.
Title: Re: myAcurite (the MBW replacement) announced
Post by: Jáchym on July 09, 2016, 11:27:29 AM
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I am saying this especially because it just happened 2 weeks ago, that Google Maps API changed and now requires an API key. Thats fine, I can understand why Google did that, but... it needs changes to be made in the scripts and they sort of didnt think this through carefully. They give you 3 months to fix this, ie. it works for another 90 days, just showing you notification you need to make that change. But there are three groups of people, and one has a problem:

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I don't understand why you are complaining about GMaps. The requirement for API-key have been there for long time but they haven't put it in force before now.
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OT: Yes, well thats the thing, it was not really a "requirement". And many people did not even know there is something like API key for the maps, since it worked out-of-the box without it. And for some it can be quite difficult to set it up in the Google developer´s console, I must admit it is very confusing there. And again, I completely agree with this change, just that they should have announced they will be forcing it more in advance. But lets get back to the topic of this thread :D
Title: Re: myAcurite (the MBW replacement) announced
Post by: nincehelser on July 09, 2016, 11:30:11 AM
Thanks!  But someone should tell Chaney that "SmartHUB" is a trademarked by several other companies for other HW, SW and apps.  It is kind of a nonsensical name any way; reminds me of a bicycle part.  Shoulda been named something to do with weather and home monitoring.  My $0.02

I'm not a big fan of the name, but it's somewhat descriptive as it is the "hub" of the sensors and it's "smarter" than the bridge.  (It does it's own math!)

"Bridge" wasn't a great name, either.

If they need change it, I'm sure they will.
Title: Re: myAcurite (the MBW replacement) announced
Post by: haroldashe on July 09, 2016, 12:59:17 PM
I am certain 3rd party developers, like Meteobridge, will revise their products to work with the new AcuRite site.  It might take a little while, but it will happen. Many folks (including me) have added MB or Ambient's Weather Bridge to their AcuRite systems.  I don't think there is anything to fear as far as obsolescence is concerned.
 
I posted a query for Boris on the Meteobridge forum asking whether he was aware of the coming change (I'm sure he is) and whether he intended to revise MB to accommodate it.  Haven't heard back yet, but I will post here when I do.

Anyway, the new site is a big, big improvement and I'm sure it will be well received.
Title: Re: myAcurite (the MBW replacement) announced
Post by: Jáchym on July 09, 2016, 01:11:21 PM
Yes, I am sure about that too, the only problem really is for it to be ready in time. The problem with our weather pages is that even if it is just a few days, you dont want to have gaps in your data.
Title: Re: myAcurite (the MBW replacement) announced
Post by: nincehelser on July 09, 2016, 01:17:25 PM
Here's a clip from their web site about the new sharing abilities.

Note the wording.  Why did they phrase it that way?   :-)

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Title: Re: myAcurite (the MBW replacement) announced
Post by: Bushman on July 09, 2016, 03:15:18 PM
The current Acu-link allows you to share your bridge, so what is different?
Title: Re: myAcurite (the MBW replacement) announced
Post by: nincehelser on July 09, 2016, 03:17:47 PM
The current Acu-link allows you to share your bridge, so what is different?

"Weather station communities".  Note the plural.
Title: Re: myAcurite (the MBW replacement) announced
Post by: Bushman on July 09, 2016, 03:23:54 PM
I suppose if they add WU support,  might as well do CWOP etc.  But the new "hub" better have decent refresh rates.  Otherwise better to  upload yourself
Title: Re: myAcurite (the MBW replacement) announced
Post by: DoctorKnow on July 09, 2016, 03:30:39 PM
If they do CWOP, I would hope they would sell radiation shields and allow you to upload the thermometer from a tower sensor. It is much more accurate.
Title: Re: myAcurite (the MBW replacement) announced
Post by: nincehelser on July 09, 2016, 03:33:33 PM
I suppose if they add WU support,  might as well do CWOP etc.  But the new "hub" better have decent refresh rates.  Otherwise better to  upload yourself

Doesn't CWOP prefer 5-minute intervals, or did that change?
Title: Re: myAcurite (the MBW replacement) announced
Post by: DoctorKnow on July 09, 2016, 03:38:16 PM
5 minutes is the fastest time they allow. I set mine to 10 to filter out some of the fluctuations of the thermometer. If it's a big storm, with lots of wind and rain, I would set to 5. Most would probably be happy with 15 minute updates.
Title: Re: myAcurite (the MBW replacement) announced
Post by: CW2274 on July 09, 2016, 05:07:25 PM
Don't know if it matters to you guys, but I use WL and it'll allow me to upload to CWOP every minute, as I just tried and verified it. I believe however five is as often as they'd like to see, probably "congestion" issues otherwise.
Title: Re: myAcurite (the MBW replacement) announced
Post by: haroldashe on July 09, 2016, 05:56:21 PM
At least for the prototype, it's still just WUG.  But the upload time now seems to be every 18 seconds.
Title: Re: myAcurite (the MBW replacement) announced
Post by: DoctorKnow on July 10, 2016, 08:45:54 AM
I don't seem to be able to find a bridge for sale by itself on acurite. Does this mean they are discontinuing it? You can buy one as part of a package with the 5 in 1 still.

Edit. I did find it, but it is very hidden and only when you click "Temp and Humidity".

https://www.acurite.com/environment-systems/temperature-humidity-environment-systems.html
Title: Re: myAcurite (the MBW replacement) announced
Post by: nincehelser on July 10, 2016, 10:15:55 AM
Or you could just type "bridge" in the search bar on the home page.

I expect they will eventually change the packaging, instructions, and part number to reflect the new branding.
Title: Re: myAcurite (the MBW replacement) announced
Post by: Bushman on July 10, 2016, 11:10:17 AM
You said same HW, right?  I was hoping they would actually fix the transmission distance.  Pathetic now.
Title: Re: myAcurite (the MBW replacement) announced
Post by: nincehelser on July 10, 2016, 11:48:37 AM
You said same HW, right?  I was hoping they would actually fix the transmission distance.  Pathetic now.

Well, yeah.  It runs on your existing hardware.  It would be bad to abandon the existing base, right?

I haven't heard anything about a new bridge design with different specifications being released. 

That doesn't mean there might not be one someday, though.


Title: Re: myAcurite (the MBW replacement) announced
Post by: Bushman on July 10, 2016, 01:42:17 PM
If you can change wifi power output on a router, surely they could do something to allow the sensors to xmit more than 25 feet.  Mine show 1 or 2 bars - thru glass, LOS about 30 feet.  Forget going thru a wall.  Other than the over temp in the sun (lack of decent FARS) the range is really only my other complaint.  My Acurite was well worth the 100 bucks or so.
Title: Re: myAcurite (the MBW replacement) announced
Post by: nincehelser on July 10, 2016, 01:52:38 PM
If you can change wifi power output on a router, surely they could do something to allow the sensors to xmit more than 25 feet.  Mine show 1 or 2 bars - thru glass, LOS about 30 feet.  Forget going thru a wall.  Other than the over temp in the sun (lack of decent FARS) the range is really only my other complaint.  My Acurite was well worth the 100 bucks or so.

If you're only getting 25 feet or 30 feet, then you've got a problem somewhere.  I get 150' to 200' feet with no equipment modifications, which is fairly typical in "real-world" conditions.

Regulations put certain limits on devices of this type running on 433MHz. 

A manufacturer can't just change the power output without running into legal issues.  It certainly wouldn't pass FCC testing.
Title: Re: myAcurite (the MBW replacement) announced
Post by: Inverno on July 13, 2016, 07:08:32 AM
How will we know when the update has been sent out? 
Title: Re: myAcurite (the MBW replacement) announced
Post by: haroldashe on July 13, 2016, 07:55:28 AM
There will be an email sent to all subscribers plus it will be announced on AcuRite's forum page.
Title: Re: myAcurite (the MBW replacement) announced
Post by: Adrian23 on July 13, 2016, 11:04:45 AM
There will be an email sent to all subscribers plus it will be announced on AcuRite's forum page.

Thx for this.. Hopefully detailed instructions on how to move over to new platform. Still kinda concerned how this is gonna work or what i will do as I run aculink bridge to Meteobridge connected to my web router. Don't wanna have down time from CWOP and other sites I share my data with. Hopefully someone in this forum will make a thread or post instructions for those that run aculink bridge and ambient weather bridge to router. Here is link to what I use.

https://www.amazon.com/gp/r.html?C=1ADAO1HGSFP37&R=1QZQRYYCTQOZ&T=C&U=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.amazon.com%2FAmbient-Weather-WEATHERBRIDGE-Universal-Ethernet%2Fdp%2FB00FPPYM7M%2Fref%3Dcm_sw_em_r_n_awdo_d_hGLHxb5F39JSA_tt&A=UZDH0IZRE6ULFB1XV95OL3TAOZEA&H=SAAEKFXW4SS70SAF3JEGWBJLDA4A
Title: Re: myAcurite (the MBW replacement) announced
Post by: meadowsland on July 13, 2016, 01:25:53 PM
When we go live and begin the migration, it will be controlled and deliberate. We will be pushing a firmware update to the existing bridges by inviting users of our service click a link and begin the migration process. We are testing this now. Ultimately, our goal is to make this transition as smooth as possible. We believe you will like the capabilities of the new system.

Would love to hear more about CWOP and other communities you share with or wish to share with as I continue to work on our roadmap.
Title: Re: myAcurite (the MBW replacement) announced
Post by: Adrian23 on July 13, 2016, 01:39:29 PM
When we go live and begin the migration, it will be controlled and deliberate. We will be pushing a firmware update to the existing bridges by inviting users of our service click a link and begin the migration process. We are testing this now. Ultimately, our goal is to make this transition as smooth as possible. We believe you will like the capabilities of the new system.

Would love to hear more about CWOP and other communities you share with or wish to share with as I continue to work on our roadmap.


Thanks for your post Iam assuming you work for Acurite? . Here is a link to CWOP which explains. For me Personally I really enjoy sharing my data with NOAA which is essential during severe weather outbreaks. There is also meso west which is another favorite of mine. Links below. Again all this is possible because of my Meteobridge which allows me to share my data with 3rd parties other then WU which acurite only allows till now. Hope this transition with my acurite bridge and Meteobridge goes smoothly.


http://www.wxqa.com
My weather station page - http://weather.gladstonefamily.net/site/E8834
http://mesowest.utah.edu/cgi-bin/droman/meso_base_dyn.cgi?stn=E8834
Title: Re: myAcurite (the MBW replacement) announced
Post by: Jack Bowman on July 13, 2016, 01:45:10 PM
Great informational thread! Thanks for all the input thus far. George your shared knowledge is enlightening as usual! Thank you!
Title: Re: myAcurite (the MBW replacement) announced
Post by: vreihen on July 13, 2016, 03:39:48 PM
Just to be safe, you'll want to remove meteobridge and have your Aculink bridge connected directly to your router.  There's going to be a lot of things going on with the bridge during the transition process, and you don't want any possibility of that being disrupted (or you might end up with a brick).

I have personal experience with this!  Tried to put my bridge back online last month, since the barometer in my USB console failed.  Plugged the bridge into my MeteoBridge box, it started to download an update, and then MeteoBridge decided to spontaneously reboot.  I took it as a sign from above that I should stick with the USB console via MeteoBridge, and that barometers are so over-rated.  Now, hearing this migration plan for phasing out MBW, I'm convinced that the lord works in mysterious ways because my USB console and MeteoBridge will still keep on chugging along no matter what ultimately happens with the bridges and/or MBW.

I have been half-heartedly working to set up a packet radio node, to send my weather data over the air via amateur radio APRS, where MeteoTemplate can grab the updates and post them on my web site.  (The ham radio/APRS community is seriously under-served by weather station manufacturers, and the big player in their niche is Peet Brothers because of their 100% open/documented API.)  I'm intrigued by the new line of sensors that Chaney is releasing, and hope that I will be able to make use of them with MeteoBridge some day.....
Title: Re: myAcurite (the MBW replacement) announced
Post by: haroldashe on July 13, 2016, 04:04:01 PM
Question:  Will the change-over be optional, at least for a while, for folks like Adrian (and me) who stream data to CWOP and  Weather Bug in addition to Weather Underground?  And to give Meteobridge and other 3rd party add-ons time to revise their products.
Title: Re: myAcurite (the MBW replacement) announced
Post by: nincehelser on July 13, 2016, 04:41:22 PM
Question:  Will the change-over be optional, at least for a while, for folks like Adrian (and me) who stream data to CWOP and  Weather Bug in addition to Weather Underground?  And to give Meteobridge and other 3rd party add-ons time to revise their products.

Larry mentioned a few messages back that the plan is to have the user click a link to start the migration process, so it should be optional for a few months at least.

There should be plenty of time for folks to adapt.
Title: Re: myAcurite (the MBW replacement) announced
Post by: Adrian23 on July 13, 2016, 05:16:37 PM
Question:  Will the change-over be optional, at least for a while, for folks like Adrian (and me) who stream data to CWOP and  Weather Bug in addition to Weather Underground?  And to give Meteobridge and other 3rd party add-ons time to revise their products.

So your advising not to update? The current Meteobridge will not support the new acurite platform? Let's say if it comes out in like 2-3 weeks? Iam confused I really don't wanna brick my Anbient weatherbridge I paid 200$ big ones for it. The pay off for me at least it allows me to share to CWOP and others.

https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B00FPPYM7M/ref=sxl1?ie=UTF8&qid=1468444489&sr=1&pi=AC_SX236_SY340_QL65
Title: Re: myAcurite (the MBW replacement) announced
Post by: meadowsland on July 13, 2016, 05:17:58 PM
besides CWOP, who else do you share to?
Title: Re: myAcurite (the MBW replacement) announced
Post by: Adrian23 on July 13, 2016, 05:21:39 PM
besides CWOP, who else do you share to?

Share to WU, PWSweather,

http://pwsweather.com




Title: Re: myAcurite (the MBW replacement) announced
Post by: vreihen on July 13, 2016, 06:00:57 PM
FWIW, I share to my own personal MeteoTemplate web site, Weather Underground, WeatherForYou/PWSweather, and amateur radio APRS via an Internet gateway (not by radio..yet).  Data being fed into MeteoBridge via USB 1035 console.

If you want to get an idea of the number of different weather networks that MeteoBridge can provide data to around the world, check out the "Weather Networks" tab on the MB emulator.  They also have the ability to feed a MySQL database if the user wants to do so for archiving observations:

http://config.meteobridge.com/ (http://config.meteobridge.com/)

In terms of priority, I consider PWSweather to be a public service feed that I don't really look at.  I believe that our county's SKYWARN coordinator references APRS measurements, and try to keep them up to date.  My personal MeteoTemplate web site feed is what I check most, and consider my official data archive.  As for Weather Underground, I am a member of their Apple iOS app beta tester program and use the WU app's Apple Watch "complication" on my wrist to display the current temperature reading from my station at a glance.....
Title: Re: myAcurite (the MBW replacement) announced
Post by: haroldashe on July 13, 2016, 06:03:56 PM
I share with WU, CWOP and (for no good reason) Weather Bug.
Title: Re: myAcurite (the MBW replacement) announced
Post by: Adrian23 on July 13, 2016, 06:20:04 PM
I share with WU, CWOP and (for no good reason) Weather Bug.

Wearther bug ? Though it was down? Page hasn't been updated in ages. But yea 2 main ones are CWOP and WU.
Title: Re: myAcurite (the MBW replacement) announced
Post by: sundevil01010101 on July 13, 2016, 06:39:29 PM
Not to get off topic but if I remember correctly from the last time I checked in on it (some months ago) the PWS data being shared with Weatherbug was still being updated to their servers/dbs but they were still working on new presentation software.

Not sure where that is as I've lost interest in Weatherbug as far as a PWS presentation layer even though I still share my data with them.

Back on topic, the MBW replacement looks awesome.  Looking forward to updating my bridge. 

The current display is pretty nice too but this is just much more stylish.  :)

 I wonder if it will be as user-customizable as the current one.
Title: Re: myAcurite (the MBW replacement) announced
Post by: nincehelser on July 13, 2016, 07:23:38 PM
So your advising not to update? The current Meteobridge will not support the new acurite platform? Let's say if it comes out in like 2-3 weeks? Iam confused I really don't wanna brick my Anbient weatherbridge I paid 200$ big ones for it. The pay off for me at least it allows me to share to CWOP and others.

I don't think anyone is saying that.

In its current state, Meteobridge/Weatherbridge will not support the new protocol of myAcurite that will be used by the updated bridges. 

The maker of Meteobridge/Weatherbridge will have to provide an update to change that.

Acurite does not plan to "flash-cut" everyone over to myAcurite at the same time.  It's going to be spread out for at least two months once it officially starts, and the user will control when their hardware will be be updated.

That should be plenty of time for the maker of Meteobridge/Weatherbridge to implement an update.  The necessary changes do not appear to be difficult.  In fact, the new protocol is easier to understand than the old one.

In the unlikely event that the maker of Meteobridge/Weatherbridge can't provide an update, there are options.  It's not that hard to "fake-out" the bridge and make it think it's talking to a MBW server.
Title: Re: myAcurite (the MBW replacement) announced
Post by: Adrian23 on July 13, 2016, 07:46:34 PM
So your advising not to update? The current Meteobridge will not support the new acurite platform? Let's say if it comes out in like 2-3 weeks? Iam confused I really don't wanna brick my Anbient weatherbridge I paid 200$ big ones for it. The pay off for me at least it allows me to share to CWOP and others.

I don't think anyone is saying that.

In its current state, Meteobridge/Weatherbridge will not support the new protocol of myAcurite that will be used by the updated bridges. 

The maker of Meteobridge/Weatherbridge will have to provide an update to change that.

Acurite does not plan to "flash-cut" everyone over to myAcurite at the same time.  It's going to be spread out for at least two months once it officially starts, and the user will control when their hardware will be be updated.

That should be plenty of time for the maker of Meteobridge/Weatherbridge to implement an update.  The necessary changes do not appear to be difficult.  In fact, the new protocol is easier to understand than the old one.

In the unlikely event that the maker of Meteobridge/Weatherbridge can't provide an update, there are options.  It's not that hard to "fake-out" the bridge and make it think it's talking to a MBW server.

Sent you pm.
Title: Re: myAcurite (the MBW replacement) announced
Post by: Adrian23 on July 13, 2016, 08:01:07 PM
You know I have a question ive never asked.. but does my ambient weather bridge update just like the meteobridge? Are they even the same thing?? I'am i suppose to get these updates? If so i'am suppose to be at 3.0 correct?

http://www.meteobridge.com/wiki/index.php/Forum
Title: Re: myAcurite (the MBW replacement) announced
Post by: nincehelser on July 13, 2016, 08:06:46 PM
You know I have a question ive never asked.. but does my ambient weather bridge update just like the meteobridge? Are they even the same thing?? I'am i suppose to get these updates? If so i'am suppose to be at 3.0 correct?

http://www.meteobridge.com/wiki/index.php/Forum

My understanding is that Weatherbridge is the Ambient-branded version of Meteobridge. 

I've no idea what the support arrangements are.  If you bought Weatherbridge,  I believe you paid a premium price.  It wouldn't hurt to ping Ambient about getting the current update as it would free up Boris/Docbee to do other things (like updating for myAcurite).
Title: Re: myAcurite (the MBW replacement) announced
Post by: haroldashe on July 14, 2016, 12:17:36 AM
Adrian, yes, Meteobridge and Ambient's WeatherBridge are the same thing.  One is a do-it-yourself set-up (about $100 total) and Ambient's is a pre-flashed unit ($210).  But they are exactly the same thing.
Title: Re: myAcurite (the MBW replacement) announced
Post by: miraculon on July 14, 2016, 07:54:18 AM
Ambient provides no support on either meteo/weatherbridge PRO or original. The "Introduction and Technical Assistance" has a outlined box that says "For technical issues, please email the developer...", or you can also see the meteobridge forum. The only "value add" that Ambient provides is pre-flashing the non-PRO version. Oh, and there is the Ambient decal...

It was quite easy to overwrite the TPLink M3020 (and I assume others) with the meteobridge app/OpenWRT. I did this for my son-in-law, after realizing that it was a lot cheaper to go this route.

Caution though, at some point TPLink is disabling the ability to overwrite their firmware. I don't know if this already happened yet.

Greg H.
Title: Re: myAcurite (the MBW replacement) announced
Post by: Adrian23 on July 14, 2016, 08:59:42 AM
I just updated to 3.0 by rebooting my ambient weather bridge. Now let's hope there is an update forth coming soon to support acurite's new platform. Anyone had the opportunity to reach Boris? I left message in Meteobridge forums.
Title: Re: myAcurite (the MBW replacement) announced
Post by: meadowsland on July 14, 2016, 09:42:58 AM
So they will come out with a new "bridge pro" I expect...

No, we will be providing a firmware update to existing bridges so they can connect to the new platform.
Title: Re: myAcurite (the MBW replacement) announced
Post by: haroldashe on July 14, 2016, 10:34:08 AM
Adrian, I left a question for him on the Meteobridge forum a week ago...no response yet.
Title: Re: myAcurite (the MBW replacement) announced
Post by: kevink619 on July 14, 2016, 12:32:53 PM
Whoa. This is going to be interesting. I'm definitely going to have to update my bridge reader and scraper apps. Or maybe the next firmware will make my apps no longer necessary?

Kevin
Title: Re: myAcurite (the MBW replacement) announced
Post by: meadowsland on July 14, 2016, 01:53:09 PM
Whoa. This is going to be interesting. I'm definitely going to have to update my bridge reader and scraper apps. Or maybe the next firmware will make my apps no longer necessary?

what are you using the bridge reader and scraper apps for?
Title: Re: myAcurite (the MBW replacement) announced
Post by: kevink619 on July 14, 2016, 01:59:38 PM
A while back I created some apps to allow Acu-Link bridge users to post data much more frequently to Weather Underground as well as several other PWS servers. One of my apps scrapes the acu-link.com website data and posts it to Weather Underground at much more frequent intervals. The other app intercepts the data packets being sent from the bridge and provides rapid-fire (every 18 seconds) updates to Weather Underground, CWOP, PWSWeather, Weatherbug, Anything Weather and OpenWeatherMap.

More info here:  http://kevin-key.blogspot.ca/

Kevin
Title: Re: myAcurite (the MBW replacement) announced
Post by: meadowsland on July 14, 2016, 02:04:36 PM
The new system will be sending updates to WU as they come in (every 18 seconds) so I think you will like that.  DM me info on the other networks. I am working on next requirements for future releases now.
Title: Re: myAcurite (the MBW replacement) announced
Post by: kevink619 on July 14, 2016, 02:09:51 PM
Sweet!  Will send you a DM shortly.


Kevin
Title: Re: myAcurite (the MBW replacement) announced
Post by: haroldashe on July 15, 2016, 08:34:54 PM
Got a response from Boris, author of Meteobridge software, to my question about plans to accommodate the new myAcurite.  Don't know when (if) changes will be made...

http://forum.meteohub.de/viewtopic.php?f=56&t=11191#p20564
Title: Re: myAcurite (the MBW replacement) announced
Post by: Adrian23 on July 15, 2016, 09:57:53 PM
Um doesn't sound to promising.... seems I may only have aculink bridge for a while wow that sucks bigtime. Or don't upgrade I guess but I do.
Title: Re: myAcurite (the MBW replacement) announced
Post by: Bushman on July 15, 2016, 11:23:58 PM
Got a response from Boris, author of Meteobridge software, to my question about plans to accommodate the new myAcurite.  Don't know when (if) changes will be made...

http://forum.meteohub.de/viewtopic.php?f=56&t=11191#p20564

Well if Chaney has half a brain they will get stuff to Boris to make this happen.
Title: Re: myAcurite (the MBW replacement) announced
Post by: nincehelser on July 16, 2016, 12:44:59 AM
Well if Chaney has half a brain they will get stuff to Boris to make this happen.

I'd say it's more the other way around.  I doubt Chaney has any obligation to keep him informed, and they likely consider Ambient a competitor.

In any case, the new protocol is very straight-forward.  It looks much like wunderground's protocol with a few additions.

And even if you can't grok the new protocol, all you have to do is read what they are uploading to wunderground.

It can't get much simpler than that.

Meteobridge isn't the only game in town.  One option is to run weewx on your own hardware (like a Pi).  It's completely open without any licensing fees or hardware restrictions.  It also has a number of contributing developers, so I'm sure it will be up-to-speed pretty quickly.

Title: Re: myAcurite (the MBW replacement) announced
Post by: haroldashe on July 16, 2016, 01:21:11 AM
Well, looks like to Pi I go...been wanting to for a long time, anyway. 
Title: Re: myAcurite (the MBW replacement) announced
Post by: nincehelser on July 16, 2016, 01:35:41 AM
Well, looks like to Pi I go...been wanting to for a long time, anyway.

I'll be shocked if Boris doesn't provide an update after he figures out he doesn't need new hardware and how easy the new protocol is.
Title: Re: myAcurite (the MBW replacement) announced
Post by: DoctorKnow on July 16, 2016, 10:13:33 AM
I wouldn't think you would even need the meteobridge anymore since the acurite system will be just as good. It seems like they are going to be adding CWOP at least, probably more like PWS...

Some of you could run two stations if you buy another brand and use it with Meteobridge. This is probably what I will do once the switch occurs. I already have the Oregon WMR100a up and running now on Meteobridge, and now I am waiting for the new acurite server with my bridge hooked right into my ethernet ports.
Title: Re: myAcurite (the MBW replacement) announced
Post by: Adrian23 on July 16, 2016, 01:22:18 PM
So Doctor i only have my 5-1 from acurite so u think no need to use Meteobridge? Will update  speeds winds gusts etc be exactly like current ambient weather bridge? Little concerned acurite might be slower. Heard through the great vine they will also produce " gusts " now to. If they include CWOP and msybe PWSweather that would be awesome.
Title: Re: myAcurite (the MBW replacement) announced
Post by: DoctorKnow on July 16, 2016, 01:32:17 PM
So Doctor i only have my 5-1 from acurite so u think no need to use Meteobridge? Will update  speeds winds gusts etc be exactly like current ambient weather bridge? Little concerned acurite might be slower. Heard through the great vine they will also produce " gusts " now to. If they include CWOP and msybe PWSweather that would be awesome.
Larry said that they would do updates every 18 seconds, which is as fast as the data comes down from the hardware.

The only reason I can think of to use meteobridge is if you want to send to a site that acurite doesn't do sharing with. IT sounds like they are at least going to have a few choices available.
Title: Re: myAcurite (the MBW replacement) announced
Post by: Bushman on July 16, 2016, 02:02:29 PM
Just as good?  I doubt it.  SQL services to local or remote databases etc?  It is a conumer product so it has to be dumbed down.
Title: Re: myAcurite (the MBW replacement) announced
Post by: DoctorKnow on July 16, 2016, 03:26:35 PM
Only time will tell, maybe Nincehelser, since he knows all the inside baseball.
Title: Re: myAcurite (the MBW replacement) announced
Post by: nincehelser on July 16, 2016, 06:54:35 PM
Just to manage expectations, some things being discussed will not necessarily be in the first release.  Some of the finer details of implementation are also subject to change. 

I don't think Acurite is trying to eliminate the Meteobridge/Weatherbridge.  Some of features will be redundant, though.

A Bushman pointed out, the Meteobridge/Weatherbridge has SQL capabilities that aren't offered by Acurite, and it also makes the bridge easier to place with the wifi feature. 

I'm hoping the next generation of SmartHUB hardware has the option for wifi network connectivity.  A nice console that also acts as a wifi SmartHUB might be cool, too.
Title: Re: myAcurite (the MBW replacement) announced
Post by: vreihen on July 16, 2016, 09:38:37 PM
Just to manage expectations, some things being discussed will not necessarily be in the first release.  Some of the finer details of implementation are also subject to change.

With no disrespect meant towards George/nincehelser, Ryan/Rhino, or Larry/Meadowsland, I think that you may want to search this forum's archives paying attention to the post dates from when Chaney has made about features/improvements in the past but have not delivered on in almost 5 years now.  Here's just a few samples:

Vaporware USB bridge from 9/2011:
http://www.wxforum.net/index.php?topic=13019.msg126455#msg126455 (http://www.wxforum.net/index.php?topic=13019.msg126455#msg126455)

"Unofficial" SDK for grabbing data from USB as well as upcoming ethernet bridge 9/2011:
http://www.wxforum.net/index.php?topic=12833.msg126881#msg126881 (http://www.wxforum.net/index.php?topic=12833.msg126881#msg126881)

USB SDK ready to be released, promises of enhancing MBW:
http://www.wxforum.net/index.php?topic=16712.msg161598#msg161598 (http://www.wxforum.net/index.php?topic=16712.msg161598#msg161598)

I realize that Chaney is a small company, and suspect that their 2011 business model was based on "monetizing" the data collected by MBW (and indeed they even published prices for adding more than 3 sensors to MBW at one point).  They promised a USB bridge (with pictures) that has not been delivered.  They promised more frequent updates to WU, as well as feeds to other PWS sites.  They promised an SDK that included tapping the ethernet bridge data stream.  Just saying that I've heard these promises before, and I wouldn't be holding my breath waiting for Chaney to deliver them before the 32-bit time_t overflows in 2038.  Hope that Larry can deliver what he's promising, but know better than to believe anything before I see it.....
Title: Re: myAcurite (the MBW replacement) announced
Post by: nincehelser on July 16, 2016, 09:55:54 PM
Just to manage expectations, some things being discussed will not necessarily be in the first release.  Some of the finer details of implementation are also subject to change.

With no disrespect meant towards George/nincehelser, Ryan/Rhino, or Larry/Meadowsland, I think that you may want to search this forum's archives paying attention to the post dates from when Chaney has made about features/improvements in the past but have not delivered on in almost 5 years now.  Here's just a few samples:

Wow.  You really took that wrong.  :shock:

I can assure you what I (and a few others here) are now testing isn't vaporware.
Title: Re: myAcurite (the MBW replacement) announced
Post by: haroldashe on July 17, 2016, 12:37:47 AM
George is not blowing smoke.  It's real...and will get even better.
Title: Re: myAcurite (the MBW replacement) announced
Post by: Bushman on July 17, 2016, 01:38:11 AM
Prediction: The new "Smarthub" will NEVER allow non-cloud services.  EOS.
Title: Re: myAcurite (the MBW replacement) announced
Post by: nincehelser on July 17, 2016, 01:42:18 AM
Prediction: The new "Smarthub" will NEVER allow non-cloud services.  EOS.

 :roll:

Such silly pessimism.
Title: Re: myAcurite (the MBW replacement) announced
Post by: vreihen on July 17, 2016, 09:04:31 AM
I can assure you what I (and a few others here) are now testing isn't vaporware.

I have no problem believing that you are testing an improvement over what they were offering in 2012, and includes a cleanup of the back end and the welcome addition of rapid-fire updates to WU.  However, if you take a step back, you will see the exact same promises that Chaney made in 2011/2012 being made again with regards to things like updating other PWS services.

Promises to add additional PWS service feeds to the product roadmap 7/2016:
http://www.wxforum.net/index.php?topic=29838.msg293716#msg293716 (http://www.wxforum.net/index.php?topic=29838.msg293716#msg293716)
http://www.wxforum.net/index.php?topic=29838.msg293641#msg293641 (http://www.wxforum.net/index.php?topic=29838.msg293641#msg293641)

I realize that Chaney is a small company with limited resources, but seeing stuff that they promised in 2012 not even being on the product roadmap yet in 2016 does nothing to raise my confidence that they can deliver before 2020.

When I see people here getting excited about the same unfilled promises that were made in 2011, I fee obligated to point out that I consider myself to be an Acu-Rite optimist with 5 years of experience (and $400+ of their equipment).  Buy the products for what they are today, not what they are promising they will be in the future.  Like I said in my opening qualifier, I mean no disrespect towards the folks at Chaney or those doing the testing, and sincerely hope that they prove me wrong.

Let me also add that I did look at the new sensor offerings on the Acu-Rite web site, and am impressed with the great foundation to a new product ecosystem that they are rolling out.....
Title: Re: myAcurite (the MBW replacement) announced
Post by: nincehelser on July 17, 2016, 09:53:51 AM
When I see people here getting excited about the same unfilled promises that were made in 2011, I fee obligated to point out that I consider myself to be an Acu-Rite optimist with 5 years of experience (and $400+ of their equipment).  Buy the products for what they are today, not what they are promising they will be in the future.

The big difference is that we are actually testing something that's on the verge of being deployed.  It's not vaporware.  It's tangible.

I was just trying to say that some of the things being talked about probably won't be in the initial release.  If it's not something that's in testing now, it's probably not something that's going to be released right away.

I'm also not aware of anyone being asked to buy anything new based on a promise.  Existing gear is being brought forward with the new platform.

I'm just puzzled by all the FUD and pessimism being spread by some.   :???:


Title: Re: myAcurite (the MBW replacement) announced
Post by: DoctorKnow on July 17, 2016, 10:12:37 AM
When I see people here getting excited about the same unfilled promises that were made in 2011, I fee obligated to point out that I consider myself to be an Acu-Rite optimist with 5 years of experience (and $400+ of their equipment).  Buy the products for what they are today, not what they are promising they will be in the future.

The big difference is that we are actually testing something that's on the verge of being deployed.  It's not vaporware.  It's tangible.

I was just trying to say that some of the things being talked about probably won't be in the initial release.  If it's not something that's in testing now, it's probably not something that's going to be released right away.

I'm also not aware of anyone being asked to buy anything new based on a promise.  Existing gear is being brought forward with the new platform.

I'm just puzzled by all the FUD and pessimism being spread by some.   :???:




I agree. It seems to me that Chaney is actually working hard to meet our requests, and really trying to get it right with this upgrade, and the consumer is not having to shell out for new equipment. If this was a cable TV company or dish company, the price would be going up... (just an example of many product providers)
Title: Re: myAcurite (the MBW replacement) announced
Post by: Adrian23 on July 17, 2016, 12:37:27 PM
Let's hope all these additions come to pass and it's a smooth transition. I dished out 200$ due to acurite not having many options. We shall see
Title: Re: myAcurite (the MBW replacement) announced
Post by: haroldashe on July 17, 2016, 12:50:03 PM
The author of MB knows about the changes and, hopefully, is or will be working on modifying his product to accommodate them. 

Title: Re: myAcurite (the MBW replacement) announced
Post by: vreihen on July 17, 2016, 01:22:48 PM
I was just trying to say that some of the things being talked about probably won't be in the initial release.  If it's not something that's in testing now, it's probably not something that's going to be released right away.

...and I'm just trying to say that nobody should hold their breath waiting for the promised future improvements (that aren't in your beta test).

There's no argument that they are moving in a great direction and I really like their products for the price point, but my optimism has been tempered with the glacial pace of past development and undelivered promises as cited above.....
Title: Re: myAcurite (the MBW replacement) announced
Post by: Adrian23 on July 18, 2016, 12:43:15 AM
This was posted in the meteohub forum...

what exactly does this mean below?  So no need to ever disconnect ambient bridge when new Acurite platform is released?

Boris, you will not need new hardware. If you currently have an AcuLink bridge, it will be automatically updated with new firmware.
Title: Re: myAcurite (the MBW replacement) announced
Post by: nincehelser on July 18, 2016, 12:58:06 AM
This was posted in the meteohub forum...

what exactly does this mean below?  So no need to ever disconnect ambient bridge when new Acurite platform is released?

Boris, you will not need new hardware. If you currently have an AcuLink bridge, it will be automatically updated with new firmware.

It depends on how the Meteobridge/Weatherbridge works.  If it's acting as a transparent network bridge (bridge here being used in the network sense) then the Acurite Bridge should update fine.  However, if the Meteobridge/Weatherbridge decides to do something that interrupts the Acurite Bridge update process, you might end up with a bricked Acurite bridge (as someone mentioned happened to them in earlier in this thread).

I don't know the Meteobridge/Weatherbridge well enough to know what might happen during the upgrade process, so the safest bet is just to take the Meteobridge/Weatherbridge out of the picture when updating the Acurite bridge.  If you leave it in, just realize you could be taking a risk.  You might talk to Boris to see how big the risk is. 
Title: Re: myAcurite (the MBW replacement) announced
Post by: Adrian23 on July 18, 2016, 01:04:43 AM
This was posted in the meteohub forum...

what exactly does this mean below?  So no need to ever disconnect ambient bridge when new Acurite platform is released?

Boris, you will not need new hardware. If you currently have an AcuLink bridge, it will be automatically updated with new firmware.

It depends on how the Meteobridge/Weatherbridge works.  If it's acting as a transparent network bridge (bridge here being used in the network sense) then the Acurite Bridge should update fine.  However, if the Meteobridge/Weatherbridge decides to do something that interrupts the Acurite Bridge update process, you might end up with a bricked Acurite bridge (as someone mentioned happened to them in earlier in this thread).

I don't know the Meteobridge/Weatherbridge well enough to know what might happen during the upgrade process, so the safest bet is just to take the Meteobridge/Weatherbridge out of the picture when updating the Acurite bridge.  If you leave it in, just realize you could be taking a risk.  You might talk to Boris to see how big the risk is.

Ok I will disconnect when updating BUT when will I'll know its safe to reconnect? That's my main concern. Hoping its not a long time.
Title: Re: myAcurite (the MBW replacement) announced
Post by: nincehelser on July 18, 2016, 01:13:26 AM
Ok I will disconnect when updating BUT when will I'll know its safe to reconnect? That's my main concern. Hoping its not a long time.

How long it's going to take depends on a few different factors, such as how fast your internet connection is.  I think Acurite says it can take up to 30 minutes in their bridge installation instructions.

The only way to know for sure that that the update is done is when you can actually set up your bridge (now a SmartHUB) on myAcurite.com.  Once you can do that, it should be safe to re-introduce the Meteobridge/Weatherbridge.  Of course, the Meteobridge/Weatherbridge won't be able to read data from the SmartHUB until it itself is updated.
Title: Re: myAcurite (the MBW replacement) announced
Post by: Adrian23 on July 18, 2016, 01:25:56 AM
Ok I will disconnect when updating BUT when will I'll know its safe to reconnect? That's my main concern. Hoping its not a long time.

How long it's going to take depends on a few different factors, such as how fast your internet connection is.  I think Acurite says it can take up to 30 minutes in their bridge installation instructions.

The only way to know for sure that that the update is done is when you can actually set up your bridge (now a SmartHUB) on myAcurite.com.  Once you can do that, it should be safe to re-introduce the Meteobridge/Weatherbridge.  Of course, the Meteobridge/Weatherbridge won't be able to read data from the SmartHUB until it itself is updated.

Not sure I get you sorry. Meaning my weatherbridge wont be sending to CWOP and other sites or the new MBW will be blank?
Title: Re: myAcurite (the MBW replacement) announced
Post by: nincehelser on July 18, 2016, 02:47:34 AM
Not sure I get you sorry. Meaning my weatherbridge wont be sending to CWOP and other sites or the new MBW will be blank?

Weatherbridge will not be sending to CWOP and other sites.

In other words, you will need to do two updates.  One update to the Acurite bridge, and the other update to Weatherbridge.
Title: Re: myAcurite (the MBW replacement) announced
Post by: haroldashe on July 18, 2016, 06:12:55 AM
Adrian, and the WeatherBridge update depends on when Boris/Docbee (author of Meteobridge) gets around to modifying his software.  Once he has done that, your WeatherBridge device will probably update the next time you re-boot it.  You won't really have to do anything except, as Nincehelser said, plug your current AcuLink bridge into one of your router ports (without the WeatherBridge hooked to it) when you want to get the new myAcuRite update.  Don't worry about it...we will guide you through it.
Title: Re: myAcurite (the MBW replacement) announced
Post by: Adrian23 on July 18, 2016, 06:25:30 AM
Not sure I get you sorry. Meaning my weatherbridge wont be sending to CWOP and other sites or the new MBW will be blank?

Weatherbridge will not be sending to CWOP and other sites.

In other words, you will need to do two updates.  One update to the Acurite bridge, and the other update to Weatherbridge.

Unless of course I wait till there is an update for both weatherbridge and aculink and do both at same time. Atleast I won't stop reporting to my sites what ya guys think? Or should I update?
Title: Re: myAcurite (the MBW replacement) announced
Post by: nincehelser on July 18, 2016, 07:02:06 AM
Unless of course I wait till there is an update for both weatherbridge and aculink and do both at same time. Atleast I won't stop reporting to my sites what ya guys think? Or should I update?

I'd sit back and wait for now.  Let the situation develop.  There's no need to make a decision now.
Title: Re: myAcurite (the MBW replacement) announced
Post by: Adrian23 on July 18, 2016, 09:41:48 AM
Unless of course I wait till there is an update for both weatherbridge and aculink and do both at same time. Atleast I won't stop reporting to my sites what ya guys think? Or should I update?

I'd sit back and wait for now.  Let the situation develop.  There's no need to make a decision now.

Will do.. look foward to your posts.
Title: Re: myAcurite (the MBW replacement) announced
Post by: DoctorKnow on July 19, 2016, 09:06:29 PM
I don't think anyone asked this yet? Can you select the thermomter/hygrometer you want to upload to the sites, whether it a tower style or the 5 in 1 or one of the new gadgets like a soil reader?
Title: Re: myAcurite (the MBW replacement) announced
Post by: nincehelser on July 19, 2016, 09:13:15 PM
I don't think anyone asked this yet? Can you select the thermomter/hygrometer you want to upload to the sites, whether it a tower style or the 5 in 1 or one of the new gadgets like a soil reader?

Unfortunately, no.  It's on their minds, though.
Title: Re: myAcurite (the MBW replacement) announced
Post by: nincehelser on July 19, 2016, 09:30:46 PM
I received an email today from Acurite with a survey as to when I'd want to migrate and what kind of equipment I was using.  Anyone else receive this?

Yes.  It's being discussed in another thread.

I take it as a sign that they are still on-track and are getting prepared for the migration.
Title: Re: myAcurite (the MBW replacement) announced
Post by: Jack Bowman on July 21, 2016, 03:32:56 PM
I don't think anyone asked this yet? Can you select the thermomter/hygrometer you want to upload to the sites, whether it a tower style or the 5 in 1 or one of the new gadgets like a soil reader?

Unfortunately, no.  It's on their minds, though.

This would be a wonderful thing. This, and the ability to read data locally from the bridge without third party solutions would be great!
Title: Re: myAcurite (the MBW replacement) announced
Post by: nincehelser on July 21, 2016, 03:52:19 PM
This would be a wonderful thing. This, and the ability to read data locally from the bridge without third party solutions would be great!

That might be coming.  It just wasn't practical on the old bridge firmware because the data was too raw to be useful.  For example, the raw baro data was expressed in 13 different parameters, and that's before adjusting to sea-level.  Even if you could get those parameters externally, you still needed to know the manufacturer-specific equations to process them.

Now that the new firmware can do it's own math, accessing the data locally is more feasible. 

There still may be some obstacles, though, as the current hardware is still pretty resource-bound with limited memory. 

Frankly, I was surprised that they were able to push the old hardware this far and was expecting new hardware, but they managed to make it fit.
Title: Re: myAcurite (the MBW replacement) announced
Post by: daman on July 21, 2016, 05:28:14 PM
I received an email today from Acurite with a survey as to when I'd want to migrate and what kind of equipment I was using.  Anyone else receive this?

Yes.  It's being discussed in another thread.

I take it as a sign that they are still on-track and are getting prepared for the migration.
I just got it today too
Title: Re: myAcurite (the MBW replacement) announced
Post by: Adrian23 on July 21, 2016, 07:34:32 PM
From boris I think...not sure what it means though. http://forum.meteohub.de/viewtopic.php?f=56&t=11191&p=20611#p20611


I don't have more information than you have. They are stating some things will change.
As the Acurite bridge is not able to upgrade its firmware on the fly (afaik), there is a good
chance nothing will change on the client systems and they just improve their
cloud solution (if this is not overstating it) and will share some apps to give
more data in a nicer shape to their users.

Please realize that Acurite is a low budget niche player, only avail in the US and does not
cooperate with 3rd party SW developers. Your expectation that they will tell anything
about how to interoperate (if they change SW on the client side) is very optimistic and
the developers around the world are by far not excited if/when Acurite will upgrade
their products. So we will see what they are capable to release and will try to keep
things working if we can get a grip of the needed information.

But as said before, this all sounds mainly like an update on their cloud services and the
apps making use of this.

Title: Re: myAcurite (the MBW replacement) announced
Post by: nincehelser on July 21, 2016, 07:38:55 PM
From boris I think...not sure what it means though. http://forum.meteohub.de/viewtopic.php?f=56&t=11191&p=20611#p20611


I don't have more information than you have. They are stating some things will change.
As the Acurite bridge is not able to upgrade its firmware on the fly (afaik), there is a good
chance nothing will change on the client systems and they just improve their
cloud solution (if this is not overstating it) and will share some apps to give
more data in a nicer shape to their users.

Please realize that Acurite is a low budget niche player, only avail in the US and does not
cooperate with 3rd party SW developers. Your expectation that they will tell anything
about how to interoperate (if they change SW on the client side) is very optimistic and
the developers around the world are by far not excited if/when Acurite will upgrade
their products. So we will see what they are capable to release and will try to keep
things working if we can get a grip of the needed information.

But as said before, this all sounds mainly like an update on their cloud services and the
apps making use of this.


Oh, jeez.  Boris has no clue how the bridge operates and it sounds like he has a bad attitude to boot.
Title: Re: myAcurite (the MBW replacement) announced
Post by: Jáchym on July 21, 2016, 07:40:33 PM
good news is that he knows about it and based on what he said he probably will try to deal with it depending what exactly it will mean for MB
Title: Re: myAcurite (the MBW replacement) announced
Post by: nincehelser on July 21, 2016, 07:43:22 PM
good news is that he knows about it and based on what he said he probably will try to deal with it depending what exactly it will mean for MB

I'll get on his board and try to get some things cleared up.
Title: Re: myAcurite (the MBW replacement) announced
Post by: Adrian23 on July 21, 2016, 07:53:37 PM
good news is that he knows about it and based on what he said he probably will try to deal with it depending what exactly it will mean for MB

I'll get on his board and try to get some things cleared up.

Thx nincehelser for what you do...Hoping for some answers soon. I really do hope they include support to CWOP for me personally its very important.
Title: Re: myAcurite (the MBW replacement) announced
Post by: Jáchym on July 21, 2016, 08:05:34 PM
Well if they have same experience with CWOP as me as a developer then I feel sorry for them....
Title: Re: myAcurite (the MBW replacement) announced
Post by: haroldashe on July 21, 2016, 09:55:04 PM
George, I agree that Boris does not fully comprehend what's going on at AcuRite.  If you can get him up to speed, that would be great.  I will be happy to help, too.
Title: Re: myAcurite (the MBW replacement) announced
Post by: Adrian23 on July 22, 2016, 12:06:06 PM
George, I agree that Boris does not fully comprehend what's going on at AcuRite.  If you can get him up to speed, that would be great.  I will be happy to help, too.

Yes please...
Title: Re: myAcurite (the MBW replacement) announced
Post by: nincehelser on July 23, 2016, 07:17:53 AM
George, I agree that Boris does not fully comprehend what's going on at AcuRite.  If you can get him up to speed, that would be great.  I will be happy to help, too.

Well, I took my shot.  I'm done.

Maybe you'll have better luck.

 
Title: Re: myAcurite (the MBW replacement) announced
Post by: docbee on July 23, 2016, 08:43:58 AM
Hi there,
to limit speculations on the acurite meteobridge thing I would like to give an update in this thread mainly driven by Georg's point of view.

1) Meteobridge works with the old protocol. Therefore, I strongly recommend NOT to upgrade the Aculink bridge to the new protocol as it will stop the Meteobridge being able to read the data.

2) Of course we will have a look at the changes (although this is a bit complicated as I have a grey imported Aculink bridge and I am not sure if it will receive the update at all). Georg seems to know quite a lot about the new format and he tells us in postings that it is easy to interpret. That is fine, but it would be ever finer if he could tell us how it looks like.
@ Georg, if you have a contact to your friends at Acurite or have specs yourself, please help me out. THIS would be helpful.

My "bad attitude" regarding Acurite is based on their product design, which does not provide data by any means, but you need to passthrough the TCP traffic and grap data pieces from there. This is imho extremely poor design and shows that they are keen in keeping their users 100% locked into their ecosystem. That they don't value 3rd party solutions supporting their products is rather obvious. One last word on who needs to do what. I think it is the primary task of Acurite to take care that by changing things on their side also users making use of 3rd party software are not disconnected. At the moment they just change as they like and don't care what happens. In that view, 3rd party then has to see how they get things fixed again. Not my understanding how to deal with an existing user base. It would be helpful if Acurite users will tell them, that this is not what they expect from Acurite.

Beside speaking out my dislike of market players who behave that way, it should not be too much of an effort to grab the new formatted data out of their TCP uplink stream, as long as they don't start sending via HTTPS ;-) If someone has the new Acurite bridge SW version already installed on its bridge and can connect it to a Meteobridge, I would be interested to login remotely and to have a look on their data stream. If so, please reach out to "info(at)meteobridge.com".

I hope this clarifies a bit where Acurite bridge support of Meteobridge is at the moment and how to proceed. Thanks.
Title: Re: myAcurite (the MBW replacement) announced
Post by: nincehelser on July 23, 2016, 09:53:49 AM
I don't like the way a lot of companies do things, but usually it's not such a big issue that I'll stop doing business with them.

You chose to support Acurite's products of your own volition.  You took money from your customers based on that support.

I fail to see what obligation Acurite has to you.  If you're running a business, you should be fostering your own business relationships.  Asking customers (especially non-customers) to intercede for you is rather amateurish.

That aside, several of us in the hobby community figured out how to read the Acurite bridge long before you brought that feature to your commercial product.  It's been on the internet for quite some time now.  You and I talked about how to do it.  I'm sorry that you don't like the method, but hey, beggars can't be choosers.  At least you had the advantage that the hard work had already been done for you, and you got some money out of it.

If you really don't like Acurite's methods, then don't support their myAcurite upgrade.  If you choose to do that, at least you could make the necessary provisions in your firmware so that your existing customer bridges don't have to rely on Acurite's servers.  It's not that hard to do.

Of course, it kind of sucks that you would deny your customers the myAcurite features just because of your own personal prejudice, but it's up to you to decide how you want to treat your paying customers.
Title: Re: myAcurite (the MBW replacement) announced
Post by: Adrian23 on July 23, 2016, 10:43:04 AM
Wow Iam I understanding correctly? So if you a Meteobridge like myself " do not upgrade" ? Wow this sucks when can't an update be created to support the the new acurite? I for one do not want to loose support to CWOP at the very least. Thus far this seems very cloudy in terms of upgrading or not or what to do next. At the same time I don't wanna miss out on the new acurite platform so hopefully folks or whoever is at Meteobridge makes this happen.
Title: Re: myAcurite (the MBW replacement) announced
Post by: DoctorKnow on July 23, 2016, 10:48:36 AM
Just don't upgrade until Docbee can provide more details on how he can proceed into understanding the new protocol. If you do upgrade, be aware that it could be a while before you will be able to read the bridge with Meteobridge. It also could happen really quickly, but nobody can answer that question at this point in time. I am glad I have another station to use, and can go ahead with the upgrade. I am interested in the new options from acurite.
Title: Re: myAcurite (the MBW replacement) announced
Post by: nincehelser on July 23, 2016, 11:54:09 AM
I'm not going to go in-depth on the new protocol, but let me give you an example of how much easier it is.

Here is an example of the baro parameters on the old bridge:

Code: [Select]
&C1=4A00&C2=0FBD&C3=0123&C4=03D2&C5=8556&C6=1751&C7=09C4&A=07&B=15&C=06&D=09&PR=A1A5&TR=8098

Piece of cake, right?   ;)


Now here is an example of the baro parameter on the SmartHUB:

Code: [Select]
&baromin=29.94

OMG!!!  THEY CHANGED THE PROTOCOL!  HOW DARE THEY!!!!   :evil: :evil: :evil:


If you can't figure out this new protocol over your lunch hour, hand in your developer card.
Title: Re: myAcurite (the MBW replacement) announced
Post by: Jáchym on July 23, 2016, 12:12:44 PM
Hmm... interesting thread...

I myself do not have Acurite (I do have MB, but connected directly) so this thread is not directly related to myself, however I must say I agree with Georg on this one.

In particular I agree with this:
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You chose to support Acurite's products of your own volition.  You took money from your customers based on that support.
If as a developer you decide to support certain SW/HW that is developed by another company, then you must expect they can make changes any time. It is also understandable that such companies will not "waste their time" supporting developers that use their products. Yes, it would be nice if they did, but lets be realistic - its all about money in this case. Providing direct support, documentation etc. to people like Boris would not mean any direct benefit to them, only cost them time.

I am not saying this is good, but we don´t live in an ideal world and it is slightly different in case like me for example, who develops everything for free and is not profit-driven.

As a developer I have a choice:
1. only rely on myself - i.e. not use any third-party stuff, in case of MB it would be not using any other API, in case of my template for example, it would mean not using any external data loaded from external API etc. Then you can be sure that everything will work the way you want it, not having to change anything.
2. use data/API of others - this obviously can be very beneficial. In case of MB it allows using it with many more stations (ie. getting many more customers), in case of webpages this allows you to get data such as forecasts etc. which you obviously cannot get yourself.

If you choose option 2, it will have many advantages - but also mean that you are aware of the fact you might have extra work with this in the future and by no means can you expect that the developer of the SW/HW you rely on, will inform you in time and in detail. They might not even know about you. Recently I had to update 71 pages in my template due to changes Google made in their Maps API. Did Google ask me if I agree with this? Did they inform me months in advance giving me time to prepare for the changes? Well I dont think I have to answer that. And if I said - look, this would take me time to update it all, just dont use it - then yes, it would of course be an option, but 71 pages would not work, the map would just be a grey rectangle.

In my case I could actually say who cares, since I dont make any profit from it (so fixing it was more because I wanted my users to be content), but if I was selling MT, then it would be in my interest to fix it. You have to expect most users do want to get updates, especially if it offers new features, better security etc etc.

Boris I understand this is not something you would be happy about because it will cost you time, but suggesting users not to update is not very wise, regardless of what you think about Acurite or any other company that forced you to make these changes. If you dont like their attitude, thats fine. But then just ignore them and do not include it on the list of your supported stations.

Last thing I want to emphasize is that I otherwise think Boris is a great developer and always helped me anytime I needed it. I understand you are very busy, but since you made that decision in the past, there is no way back now.
Title: Re: myAcurite (the MBW replacement) announced
Post by: Adrian23 on July 23, 2016, 12:59:56 PM
Just don't upgrade until Docbee can provide more details on how he can proceed into understanding the new protocol. If you do upgrade, be aware that it could be a while before you will be able to read the bridge with Meteobridge. It also could happen really quickly, but nobody can answer that question at this point in time. I am glad I have another station to use, and can go ahead with the upgrade. I am interested in the new options from acurite.

I see.. won't upgrade then till its posted here that it's ok to go ahead.
Title: Re: myAcurite (the MBW replacement) announced
Post by: Bushman on July 23, 2016, 01:20:08 PM
Boris, you should send a PM to Larry Meadows, Director of Platform Solutions for  AcuRite - "meadowsland" on the forum.  Right from the horse's mouth then, eh?
Title: Re: myAcurite (the MBW replacement) announced
Post by: haroldashe on July 23, 2016, 02:34:15 PM
Hmmm...it has occurred to me that with the exception of being able to send data to CWOP and WeatherBug (nice but by no means essential), I have no real need to use my Meteobridge.  The main reason for getting it was to have reliable wireless communication between the AcuLink bridge and my router without having to run a 100' (or more) cable under the house.  The AcuRite range extender/repeater takes care of that issue pretty well and the new myAcuRite site shows about everything I need to know or care about, weather-wise.

So, if Boris/DocBee can modify the Meteobridge, that would be great.  Otherwise, no big deal.
Title: Re: myAcurite (the MBW replacement) announced
Post by: nincehelser on July 23, 2016, 04:07:33 PM
If you still want the wireless function, there's no reason you can't use one of the TP-Link routers in "client" mode.

That's a function of the router and its firmware, either TP-Link's or OpenWRT.  It's not a feature added by Meteobridge.
Title: Re: myAcurite (the MBW replacement) announced
Post by: Bushman on July 23, 2016, 04:30:35 PM
If you still want the wireless function, there's no reason you can't use one of the TP-Link routers in "client" mode.

That's a function of the router and its firmware, either TP-Link's or OpenWRT.  It's not a feature added by Meteobridge.

Sure, but in TP in particular it is wonky.
Title: Re: myAcurite (the MBW replacement) announced
Post by: Adrian23 on July 23, 2016, 04:54:12 PM
Hmmm...it has occurred to me that with the exception of being able to send data to CWOP and WeatherBug (nice but by no means essential), I have no real need to use my Meteobridge.  The main reason for getting it was to have reliable wireless communication between the AcuLink bridge and my router without having to run a 100' (or more) cable under the house.  The AcuRite range extender/repeater takes care of that issue pretty well and the new myAcuRite site shows about everything I need to know or care about, weather-wise.

So, if Boris/DocBee can modify the Meteobridge, that would be great.  Otherwise, no big deal.

Well for me studing meteorology support to CWOP is essential. So still hoping for this to happen. Can't imagine not having access to 3rd party sites. Please make it Happen
Title: Re: myAcurite (the MBW replacement) announced
Post by: Jáchym on July 23, 2016, 05:14:04 PM
communication with CWOP is PIA, or rather I should say there is no communication with them, so good luck anyone trying it...
Title: Re: myAcurite (the MBW replacement) announced
Post by: Adrian23 on July 23, 2016, 05:22:45 PM
communication with CWOP is PIA, or rather I should say there is no communication with them, so good luck anyone trying it...

Support meaning like this....

http://weather.gladstonefamily.net/site/E8834
Title: Re: myAcurite (the MBW replacement) announced
Post by: Jáchym on July 23, 2016, 05:27:26 PM
by support I meant trying to contact and communicate with someone from CWOP (email etc.)
Title: Re: myAcurite (the MBW replacement) announced
Post by: lrosenman on July 23, 2016, 05:29:41 PM
by support I meant trying to contact and communicate with someone from CWOP (email etc.)

I've NEVER had a problem getting a hold of cwop-support@noaa.gov.  Mr. Gladstone on the other hand is a different story.

I've tried to use his mailto: links on my E9160 page and NO RESPONSE.

Title: Re: myAcurite (the MBW replacement) announced
Post by: Adrian23 on July 23, 2016, 05:30:47 PM
by support I meant trying to contact and communicate with someone from CWOP (email etc.)

Na just wanna have ability to share my data with CWOP and I love Mesowest also
Title: Re: myAcurite (the MBW replacement) announced
Post by: Jáchym on July 23, 2016, 05:33:09 PM
my statistic:

3 emails to: cwop-support@noaa.gov

3 times absolutely no response
Title: Re: myAcurite (the MBW replacement) announced
Post by: Bushman on July 23, 2016, 07:34:02 PM
This is starting to be funny and sad.  The vendors with whom I've worked (and I am talking multi-million dollar SW apps) understand the concept of "co-opetition".  That is, you can work with your "competitors" (not that MB actually is but...) so that you can sell more of your products.  It would be  a shame for the thousands of MB users if Boris and Larry could not find some sort of middle ground.  MB continues to serve its thousands of customers and Acurite sells more stations to those who want more than (likley) Chaney can ever deliver.
Title: Re: myAcurite (the MBW replacement) announced
Post by: Jáchym on July 23, 2016, 07:52:23 PM
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you can work with your "competitors"

LOL... that immediately made me think of Apple  :grin: :grin: :grin: :lol:
Title: Re: myAcurite (the MBW replacement) announced
Post by: nincehelser on July 23, 2016, 08:15:56 PM
This is starting to be funny and sad.  The vendors with whom I've worked (and I am talking multi-million dollar SW apps) understand the concept of "co-opetition".  That is, you can work with your "competitors" (not that MB actually is but...) so that you can sell more of your products.  It would be  a shame for the thousands of MB users if Boris and Larry could not find some sort of middle ground.  MB continues to serve its thousands of customers and Acurite sells more stations to those who want more than (likley) Chaney can ever deliver.

From a business perspective, I just don't see it.  Especially as Boris has already partnered with Ambient and has shown nothing but contempt for Acurite.

What does Boris have that Acurite would want that they can't find elsewhere or do for themselves?
Title: Re: myAcurite (the MBW replacement) announced
Post by: Jáchym on July 23, 2016, 08:18:08 PM
Well... if Acurite had all that they could/users want, why would any user get MB in addition to Acurite ;-)
Title: Re: myAcurite (the MBW replacement) announced
Post by: nincehelser on July 23, 2016, 08:55:44 PM
Well... if Acurite had all that they could/users want, why would any user get MB in addition to Acurite ;-)

That's a good question.  Why would a user buy a meteobridge when there are other options out there, some of them for free, more powerful, or more open?

I suspect Acurite is going to prioritize their efforts and support towards the networks their customers are asking for.  For example, there's likely little point in Acurite spending time on AWEKAS or WOW if they aren't marketing in the regions those networks serve.

I imagine they'll focus on a few networks and do them well rather than trying to be everything to everyone.  If someone wants more, they can always use one of the 3rd party solutions, meteobridge being one option.


Title: Re: myAcurite (the MBW replacement) announced
Post by: Adrian23 on July 23, 2016, 09:08:04 PM
Well... if Acurite had all that they could/users want, why would any user get MB in addition to Acurite ;-)

That's a good question.  Why would a user buy a meteobridge when there are other options out there, some of them for free, more powerful, or more open?

I suspect Acurite is going to prioritize their efforts and support towards the networks their customers are asking for.  For example, there's likely little point in Acurite spending time on AWEKAS or WOW if they aren't marketing in the regions those networks serve.

I imagine they'll focus on a few networks and do them well rather than trying to be everything to everyone.  If someone wants more, they can always use one of the 3rd party solutions, meteobridge being one option.

nincehelser Have you spoke to Larry about CWOP or Mesowest support?
Title: Re: myAcurite (the MBW replacement) announced
Post by: haroldashe on July 23, 2016, 09:18:40 PM
Jáchym, that's what I was saying in the post above.  Speaking only for myself, of course, except for the ability to share with other weather sites (CWOP being one of those), there really isn't a need for Meteobridge.

Adrian, I spoke with the Chief Meteorologist (family friend) of a fairly large local TV station and asked her about CWOP.  She said she knew about it but that neither she nor her staff had much interaction with them.  So, apparently you can be a meteorologist and not share data with them.   ;)
Title: Re: myAcurite (the MBW replacement) announced
Post by: haroldashe on July 23, 2016, 09:28:10 PM
Adrian, why don't you write to Larry and tell him that you are very interested in having CWOP added as a sharing option in the new myAcuRite platform?  If the demand is there, I will bet that AcuRite will work to meet it.

Title: Re: myAcurite (the MBW replacement) announced
Post by: Jáchym on July 23, 2016, 09:31:07 PM
Jáchym, that's what I was saying in the post above.  Speaking only for myself, of course, except for the ability to share with other weather sites (CWOP being one of those), there really isn't a need for Meteobridge.

Adrian, I spoke with the Chief Meteorologist (family friend) of a fairly large local TV station and asked her about CWOP.  She said she knew about it but that neither she nor her staff had much interaction with them.  So, apparently you can be a meteorologist and not share data with them.   ;)

As I said previously, maybe they did try to contact whoever is responsible for the official CWOP email account, and got the same (i.e. no) response.
Title: Re: myAcurite (the MBW replacement) announced
Post by: lrosenman on July 23, 2016, 09:33:38 PM
The CWOP protocol itself is simple.  Getting hooked up took me a day, but I'm here in the US.  I wonder if part of the issue for you Jachym(pardon lack of accent) is that you are out of the US.
Title: Re: myAcurite (the MBW replacement) announced
Post by: Jáchym on July 23, 2016, 09:39:05 PM
Basically, I tried to contact them regarding my template and possible implementation of CWOP support to the template. Never heard back from them so I take it they simply arent interested and to be quite honest - I am no longer interested either....
Title: Re: myAcurite (the MBW replacement) announced
Post by: Adrian23 on July 23, 2016, 10:08:36 PM
Adrian, why don't you write to Larry and tell him that you are very interested in having CWOP added as a sharing option in the new myAcuRite platform?  If the demand is there, I will bet that AcuRite will work to meet it.

Care to share larry contact info?
Title: Re: myAcurite (the MBW replacement) announced
Post by: Bushman on July 23, 2016, 10:25:37 PM
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you can work with your "competitors"

LOL... that immediately made me think of Apple  :grin: :grin: :grin: :lol:

I am sorry - but I guess the term  "co-opetition" does not translate to Czech.
Title: Re: myAcurite (the MBW replacement) announced
Post by: Jáchym on July 23, 2016, 10:28:43 PM
No,  but I know what it is
Title: Re: myAcurite (the MBW replacement) announced
Post by: Bushman on July 23, 2016, 10:29:28 PM
Adrian, why don't you write to Larry and tell him that you are very interested in having CWOP added as a sharing option in the new myAcuRite platform?  If the demand is there, I will bet that AcuRite will work to meet it.

Care to share larry contact info?

As I posted, PM meadowland for Larry Meadows @ Acurite/Chaney.
Title: Re: myAcurite (the MBW replacement) announced
Post by: Bushman on July 23, 2016, 10:30:16 PM
No,  but I know what it is

Like I said, some of the world's largest companies manage to do this, so surely a couple of two bit players could?
Title: Re: myAcurite (the MBW replacement) announced
Post by: nincehelser on July 23, 2016, 10:47:49 PM
nincehelser Have you spoke to Larry about CWOP or Mesowest support?

A little bit about CWOP, but I know nothing about if and when.
Title: Re: myAcurite (the MBW replacement) announced
Post by: skysummit on July 24, 2016, 12:12:59 AM
Adrian, why don't you write to Larry and tell him that you are very interested in having CWOP added as a sharing option in the new myAcuRite platform?  If the demand is there, I will bet that AcuRite will work to meet it.

That would be outstanding if they did because once your station is a CWOP station, your data gets automatically shared lots of places. Mesowest and MADIS are two examples.  Not to mention your data gets graded.  Now, granted, that grading is not 100% fool proof and some people do have issues with it, but it is what it is.  NOAA does use CWOP data in a scientific manner. 

If Acurite would add CWOP as a sharing option, that would mean the world to me.
Title: Re: myAcurite (the MBW replacement) announced
Post by: Adrian23 on July 24, 2016, 12:31:08 AM
Adrian, why don't you write to Larry and tell him that you are very interested in having CWOP added as a sharing option in the new myAcuRite platform?  If the demand is there, I will bet that AcuRite will work to meet it.

That would be outstanding if they did because once your station is a CWOP station, your data gets automatically shared lots of places. Mesowest and MADIS are two examples.  Not to mention your data gets graded.  Now, granted, that grading is not 100% fool proof and some people do have issues with it, but it is what it is.  NOAA does use CWOP data in a scientific manner.
 
If Acurite would add CWOP as a sharing option, that would mean the world to me.


THIS!!!! =D>
Title: Re: myAcurite (the MBW replacement) announced
Post by: docbee on July 24, 2016, 12:20:14 PM
@Bushman: Thanks for pointing to Larry, I will try to get some more details from there.

@all: My recommendation not to update to the new Acurite protocol when using Meteobridge is inevitable. As of now I have no specification of the new protocol so far (only source here is Georg how decided not to share too much) and I also don't have an updated Aculink bridge to test with myself. From the snippet George shared with us it looks to be still HTTP and the data given as URL parameters (no HTTP post) which is easy doing in principle, but it still needs the semantic understood when using multiple sensors units etc. Tricky things usually show up on second look. Once I have the new protocol working with Meteobridge, I will of course lift my recommendation not to update.

I was able to reactivate my old acurite account, it is registered to San Francisco. I couldn't find any option to have my unit upgraded. Anyone here who can give me a hint how to make my Aculink updating?
Title: Re: myAcurite (the MBW replacement) announced
Post by: Jáchym on July 24, 2016, 12:24:09 PM
@Bushman: Thanks for pointing to Larry, I will try to get some more details from there.

@all: My recommendation not to update to the new Acurite protocol when using Meteobridge is inevitable. As of now I have no specification of the new protocol so far (only source here is Georg how decided not to share too much) and I also don't have an updated Aculink bridge to test with myself. From the snippet George shared with us it looks to be still HTTP and the data given as URL parameters (no HTTP post) which is easy doing in principle, but it still needs the semantic understood when using multiple sensors units etc. Tricky things usually show up on second look. Once I have the new protocol working with Meteobridge, I will of course lift my recommendation not to update.

I was able to reactivate my old acurite account, it is registered to San Francisco. I couldn't find any option to have my unit upgraded. Anyone here who can give me a hint how to make my Aculink updating?

 =D>
Title: Re: myAcurite (the MBW replacement) announced
Post by: Adrian23 on July 24, 2016, 12:45:44 PM
@Bushman: Thanks for pointing to Larry, I will try to get some more details from there.

@all: My recommendation not to update to the new Acurite protocol when using Meteobridge is inevitable. As of now I have no specification of the new protocol so far (only source here is Georg how decided not to share too much) and I also don't have an updated Aculink bridge to test with myself. From the snippet George shared with us it looks to be still HTTP and the data given as URL parameters (no HTTP post) which is easy doing in principle, but it still needs the semantic understood when using multiple sensors units etc. Tricky things usually show up on second look. Once I have the new protocol working with Meteobridge, I will of course lift my recommendation not to update.

I was able to reactivate my old acurite account, it is registered to San Francisco. I couldn't find any option to have my unit upgraded. Anyone here who can give me a hint how to make my Aculink updating?

 =D>

This is great news please post when it's safe to go ahead and update Meteobridge when acurite rolls out new platform.
Title: Re: myAcurite (the MBW replacement) announced
Post by: nincehelser on July 24, 2016, 01:38:08 PM
@Bushman: Thanks for pointing to Larry, I will try to get some more details from there.

@all: My recommendation not to update to the new Acurite protocol when using Meteobridge is inevitable. As of now I have no specification of the new protocol so far (only source here is Georg how decided not to share too much) and I also don't have an updated Aculink bridge to test with myself. From the snippet George shared with us it looks to be still HTTP and the data given as URL parameters (no HTTP post) which is easy doing in principle, but it still needs the semantic understood when using multiple sensors units etc. Tricky things usually show up on second look. Once I have the new protocol working with Meteobridge, I will of course lift my recommendation not to update.

I was able to reactivate my old acurite account, it is registered to San Francisco. I couldn't find any option to have my unit upgraded. Anyone here who can give me a hint how to make my Aculink updating?

There is no option you need to set.  In the old protocol, an application version number is sent back to the bridge with each success response.  That is used to trigger the bridge to look for new firmware.

Typically the updates are automatic and just happen.  In this case, however, Acurite will be be adding an intermediate step where the user will have to click on a link before the update is initiated.  I speculate once they get your go-ahead approval, MBW will start sending  a new check version code to their bridge, which will initiate the actual update process.

It sounds as if Acurite is going to give folks at least a couple of months to migrate to the new system.

As for the new protocol, it's very straightforward.  Think of the wunderground upload protocol, then think of how individual sensors were identified in the old protocol.  Put them together and you've pretty much figured out how things are going to work.

There will be a few finer points to deal with, but nothing major.  For example, you'll probably want to specifically focus on the myAcurite data flow.  Otherwise the data flows to other weather communities might cause you to duplicate data.

Like I said earlier, this is something you should be able to figure out over your lunch hour. 
Title: Re: myAcurite (the MBW replacement) announced
Post by: DoctorKnow on July 24, 2016, 01:46:57 PM
Why not just give Docbee what you see in the data stream now and get it over with? I don't understand why you want to pretend to know something, and then fall short of helping out fellow weather enthusiasts? What is the deal here? He said he could look in if one of you with Meteobridge who is a tester gives him the link... We know Harold has one. Step up guys and make this easier.  :idea:
Title: Re: myAcurite (the MBW replacement) announced
Post by: nincehelser on July 24, 2016, 02:02:49 PM
Why not just give Docbee what you see in the data stream now and get it over with? I don't understand why you want to pretend to know something, and then fall short of helping out fellow weather enthusiasts? What is the deal here? He said he could look in if one of you with Meteobridge who is a tester gives him the link... We know Harold has one. Step up guys and make this easier.  :idea:

Because of information in the data stream that might not be appropriate for public disclosure.  There are rules and expectations for these sort of things that we need follow.

Once it's officially released by Acurite, then it's a different ball game.

I'm not "pretending" to know.  I'm just simply not at liberty to disclose all I know.

I have given plenty of hints of what developers should expect, though.  I see nothing that should cause anyone any headaches.
Title: Re: myAcurite (the MBW replacement) announced
Post by: Jáchym on July 24, 2016, 02:42:55 PM
I dont understand this either, either you are not allowed to say stuff, in which case you already did (partly) or you can, in which case you should provide full details.

What I dont like is when people say something along the line "I know something, but Im not gonna say what" - well then stay quiet altogether.

This way you are more like teasing people, causing confusion and this is also how misunderstandings commonly arise - lack of information.
Title: Re: myAcurite (the MBW replacement) announced
Post by: nincehelser on July 24, 2016, 02:48:59 PM
I dont understand this either, either you are not allowed to say stuff, in which case you already did (partly) or you can, in which case you should provide full details.

What I dont like is when people say something along the line "I know something, but Im not gonna say what" - well then stay quiet altogether.

This way you are more like teasing people, causing confusion and this is also how misunderstandings commonly arise - lack of information.

I probably wouldn't have said this much if certain folks weren't throwing such a conniption and spreading FUD because Acurite was changing the protocol.

Otherwise, I don't see it as "teasing". Haven't you been in situations where it's OK to say certain things and not others?
Title: Re: myAcurite (the MBW replacement) announced
Post by: Jáchym on July 24, 2016, 02:54:44 PM
I dont understand this either, either you are not allowed to say stuff, in which case you already did (partly) or you can, in which case you should provide full details.

What I dont like is when people say something along the line "I know something, but Im not gonna say what" - well then stay quiet altogether.

This way you are more like teasing people, causing confusion and this is also how misunderstandings commonly arise - lack of information.

I probably wouldn't have said this much if certain folks weren't throwing such a conniption and spreading FUD because Acurite was changing the protocol.

Otherwise, I don't see it as "teasing". Haven't you been in situations where it's OK to say certain things and not others?

Yes I understand that there are things you can say, but that is exactly what I meant. Since you cannot provide full details the infrmation can easily get misinterpreted and misunderstandings arise. No point in crying over spilled milk now, but next time maybe better just contacting only the developer (in this case Boris) by PM. Many users now obviously are confused and no-one really knows what the situation is.
Title: Re: myAcurite (the MBW replacement) announced
Post by: nincehelser on July 24, 2016, 03:03:13 PM
Yes I understand that there are things you can say, but that is exactly what I meant. Since you cannot provide full details the infrmation can easily get misinterpreted and misunderstandings arise. No point in crying over spilled milk now, but next time maybe better just contacting only the developer (in this case Boris) by PM. Many users now obviously are confused and no-one really knows what the situation is.

There's not much I can do about Boris.  He was the one who decided to publicly make his pronouncements about how he thought things were going to work. 

Are you saying I should just have said "Boris is wrong" and leave it at that?

Yeah, I guess I could have done that or just ignored him. 

Or I could have dropped some pretty clear hints on what he and others need to do to prepare for the update.

Read between the lines.  I'm trying to help here, not tease.



Title: Re: myAcurite (the MBW replacement) announced
Post by: Jáchym on July 24, 2016, 03:06:30 PM
Dont get me wrong, I do understand your intentions were good, but lack of information always causes confusion.

Boris is obviously willing to do as much as he can and so lets just hope it will work out ok.
Title: Re: myAcurite (the MBW replacement) announced
Post by: nincehelser on July 24, 2016, 03:45:16 PM
Dont get me wrong, I do understand your intentions were good, but lack of information always causes confusion.

Boris is obviously willing to do as much as he can and so lets just hope it will work out ok.

Unfortunately, that's the nature of product development in a business environment.  This isn't an open-source project where things are typically very transparent.  Certain information is simply proprietary and may possibly remain that way.

As far as Boris goes, remember that he is already in a business partnership with Ambient.  I'm just not interested in getting caught up in that potential conflict of interest. 

It's up to Boris to develop his own working relationship with Acurite, if one is possible.

Title: Re: myAcurite (the MBW replacement) announced
Post by: docbee on July 25, 2016, 06:27:34 AM
@George: Thanks for giving some additional pieces of information. Taking into account that you don't value the Meteobridge solution much and instead give open source a favor (which I respect) this might even be more than I could expect. Thank you.

Just to demystify my "business relationship" with Ambientweather that George mentioned. Ambientweather is the Meteobridge reseller in the US while other companies in Europe and Australia are also reselling pre-configured Meteobridges. Nothing special and everybody is free to install Meteobridge himself onto a TP-Link if he is willing to do so and does not feel a need to buy it already flashed. In all the years Ambientweather did never approach me with a request to only support stations they sell, which would be unacceptable to me and would also be a complete contradiction how my experience in doing business with Ambientweather has been so far. It is rather the opposite, Ambientweather helped me a few years ago to get an Acurite station to test with because I could not buy one in Europe. Sorry, but no "Anti-Acurite conspiracy" here.

### warning! start of a lengthy boring section what I think goes wrong with some weather station manufacturers ###
My critical opinion on Acurite is based on their locked-in design of the bridge. TCP bridge devices from other manufacturers like the FineOffset/Ambient IP-Observer, Davis WLIP behave rather cooperative in the LAN, so that other devices in the LAN can ask them for data and don't need to spoof DNS or to physically channel traffic through itself in order to grab the data. I think everybody can see the problem here and how much this is a locked-in strategy. To be honest, I don't understand why some weather station manufacturers try to bind their users to their own ecosystem instead of making interfaces public, so that users can decide to connect the station to weather programs of their choice and can also make very individual use of the data. In my opinion they are voiding a chance to foster sales of the stations. May be the manufacturers think they can build a weather data imperium and get additional money from that, but I can't see that working and most cloud solutions from those manufacturers are rather experimental and lack reliability and capability. One prominent example on this is the Oregon WMR-300 which I think is a top quality station, but the USB protocol is kept secret and therefore most weather software does not support it. I think this station could have been a much bigger market success if Oregon had decided to open up the interface. I know that great weather programs like Cumulus, WSWIN don't support it because their authors are tired on reverse enginieering stuff and to build interfaces which have the risk of producing false data because some more hidden features of the communication have not been discovered correctly. This locked-in strategy is so counter-productive for all sides, I really don't get it.
### end of my lentghy point of view ###  :grin:

Back to the Aculink, I think all I need now is having my unit updated to test with or someone giving me access to a Meteobridge with an updated Aculink bridge connected.

When I get George right, my Aculink bridge will update automatically next time I connect it to the Internet. I can't do right now, because I am away from my "weather stuff lab" for a week. Is the automated update limited to certain MACs or regions of registry? Can someone tell me in what region (state, ZIP, City) the Aculinks are already getting an update, so that I can tweak my registration that way?
Title: Re: myAcurite (the MBW replacement) announced
Post by: nincehelser on July 25, 2016, 08:49:11 AM
Sorry, Boris.  I don't agree with your analysis of "locked" in.  From my viewpoint the bridge was simply designed for customer ease-of-use and economy.

If the intent of Acurite were to "lock people out", they sure did a horrible job at that, with no encryption and the use of typical http statements. 

The only moderately difficult part of the old protocol was finding out what baro sensor was used and getting the right equations from the baro manufacturer.  A close second was figuring out the gray-scale code they used to represent wind-direction.  Those two things were not meant to obfuscate the situation, but were rather just "bare-metal" parameters determined by the hardware.

The new firmware allows the bridge to now do its own math instead of handing it off to an external server, so those difficulties are now gone, with the SmartHUB reporting human-readable values.



As to your actual update problem, I'm not aware of an update restriction to the firmware due to region of registry.  I guess there could be, but I've seen no evidence of one. 

If you need a physical address to register on MBW, just use Acurite's address.  That's what they been telling people to do for years on their support board if you don't live in America.  It has no bearing on how the bridge firmware actually updates, at least not in normal circumstances.

What Acruite does need is your email-address so they can contact you to coordinate the update process.

The myAcurite firmware updates are not yet publicly distributed.  As I mentioned earlier, Acurite intends to add an extra step where the user has to click a link to start the update process.  That will help make sure that no one gets this major upgrade unexpectedly, giving them time to make whatever preparations they need to make before using the new platform.

Once the updates are publicly made available, there will be at least a two month transition period.  That should give you and your customers plenty of time to adapt. 


Title: Re: myAcurite (the MBW replacement) announced
Post by: Adrian23 on July 25, 2016, 02:35:55 PM
Make this happen..
Title: Re: myAcurite (the MBW replacement) announced
Post by: Adrian23 on July 26, 2016, 04:05:02 PM
Just got email from acurite asking if I wanted to migrate to new platform. For me with meteobridge the answer for now is no correct?
Title: Re: myAcurite (the MBW replacement) announced
Post by: docbee on July 26, 2016, 05:34:26 PM
When you can afford a few days downtime, you could upgrade and give me remote access to your Meteobridge
to sniff the data and to adapt the code. How to give me remote access is described here:
http://forum.meteohub.de/viewtopic.php?f=57&t=9885
I would need URL and password. We can try out the reomte access thing before you upgrade the aculink device to make sure we don't run into problems there..

But it is up to you if you want to go bleeding edge... If not, please don't update.
Title: Re: myAcurite (the MBW replacement) announced
Post by: nincehelser on July 26, 2016, 05:35:12 PM
Just got email from acurite asking if I wanted to migrate to new platform. For me with meteobridge the answer for now is no correct?

That would be correct.

If they didn't ask you about it before-hand, it might be a sign they have started the migration.

I went through the move process yesterday, so it should be close.
Title: Re: myAcurite (the MBW replacement) announced
Post by: nincehelser on July 26, 2016, 06:15:07 PM
Here's a few seconds of output to myAcurite.

dateutc=now&action=updateraw&realtime=1&id=24C86Exxxxxx&mt=tower&sensor=00002719&humidity=15&tempf=83.8&baromin=29.92&battery=normal&rssi=3

dateutc=now&action=updateraw&realtime=1&id=24C86Exxxxxx&mt=5N1x31&sensor=00001398&windspeedmph=9&winddir=180&rainin=0.00&dailyrainin=0.03&baromin=29.92&battery=normal&rssi=1

dateutc=now&action=updateraw&realtime=1&id=24C86Exxxxxx&mt=tower&sensor=00002719&humidity=15&tempf=83.8&baromin=29.92&battery=normal&rssi=3

dateutc=now&action=updateraw&realtime=1&id=24C86Exxxxxx&mt=tower&sensor=00013738&humidity=15&tempf=83.6&baromin=29.92&battery=normal&rssi=3

dateutc=now&action=updateraw&realtime=1&id=24C86Exxxxxx&mt=5N1x38&sensor=00001398&windspeedmph=9&humidity=76&tempf=84.0&baromin=29.92&battery=normal&rssi=1



I've obscured the second half of my MAC for privacy reasons.

The baro reading could be station or altimeter depending on your SmartHUB settings.


Title: Re: myAcurite (the MBW replacement) announced
Post by: Adrian23 on July 26, 2016, 06:53:37 PM
Just got email from acurite asking if I wanted to migrate to new platform. For me with meteobridge the answer for now is no correct?

That would be correct.

If they didn't ask you about it before-hand, it might be a sign they have started the migration.

I went through the move process yesterday, so it should be close.

ok thx...hopefully someone eventually will let me know when its safe to upgrade.
Title: Re: myAcurite (the MBW replacement) announced
Post by: Bushman on July 26, 2016, 07:42:19 PM
Kudos George for posting the datastream.  Hopefully third parties will be able to modify their  solutions to fit the new protocol.
Title: Re: myAcurite (the MBW replacement) announced
Post by: haroldashe on July 26, 2016, 11:21:36 PM
George, don't know if you've noticed, but the baro pressure compensation factor entered in "settings" does not change anything (station pressure) for the dashboard or graph.  Weirdly enough, it does change what gets sent to Weather Underground.  Earlier, it did change the dashboard reading but stopped a couple of days ago.  Dunno whether that's intentional but I doubt it.
Title: Re: myAcurite (the MBW replacement) announced
Post by: nincehelser on July 27, 2016, 01:01:50 AM
George, don't know if you've noticed, but the baro pressure compensation factor entered in "settings" does not change anything (station pressure) for the dashboard or graph.  Weirdly enough, it does change what gets sent to Weather Underground.  Earlier, it did change the dashboard reading but stopped a couple of days ago.  Dunno whether that's intentional but I doubt it.

I can switch back and forth on the production system.  You do have to make sure you wait for the next 18-second update, though.  A manual refresh might be required, too.
Title: Re: myAcurite (the MBW replacement) announced
Post by: nincehelser on July 27, 2016, 02:02:49 AM
Here are a few notes based on what I've seen regarding the update.  I'm just listing them as I think of them, so the ordering may not be logical.

1) Wunderground updates are currently taking place every 36 seconds instead of 18.  They are aware of this and are looking at 18-second updates.

The reasoning behind 36 seconds is that it takes 2 18-second updates to have a complete set of full information from the 5n1.  If they change it to 18-seconds, it should be automatically sent to your SmartHUB in a future automatic update.


2) Wind gusts and rain-rate on wunderground are intended.  I'm not sure they are there yet, though.  The last I heard they were still debating over what definition of "gust" makes the most sense given the timing.  If a change is required, it will also be an automatic update to the SmartHUB.


3) The "boot firmware" on your older bridge will not change.  That means you'll still have the red and white internal page.  Be careful with the "toggle" button as it seems to have an unwanted effect.  In my case it shut down wunderground updates, but I was able to fix that by removing the wunderground station info from myAcurite, then re-entering and saving the wunderground info on myAcurite,

4) Newer bridges have a different internal page to reflect the new branding.  I don't believe they have the toggle button, but may have others that look related to wunderground.  If you have these, it's probably best to leave them alone.  (Wunderground settings should set on myAcurite only.)

5) After upgrading, the blue lights on the bridge/SmartHUB will be much less frenetic.  I guess the flashing was too intense for some people, so they have calmed them down.  Newer bridges also have the blue lights dimmed substantially.

6) As part of the new architecture, you configure *EVERYTHING* on myAcurite.  That includes wunderground station information.  After you enter your information, it is "pushed" down to your SmartHUB.  The SmartHUB then takes over the actual updates.

7) The "Acurite Method" of adjusting the barometer is no longer used on myAcurite.  myAcurite gets your elevation from internet sources and pushes it down to the SmartHub automatically.  The Smart uses that info to calculate the altimeter setting.

8) As the elevation setting is automatically determined from your address.  As that might be off, you may have to add an adjustment to the barometer to compensate.

9) Forecasts are no longer determined solely by your own data, so hopefully they will be more accurate.

10) The data-retention period is currently only a month or two on myAcurite.  You'll need to download your data occasionally if you want to keep it long-term.  It's fairly easy.  You just request the data and it is sent to you as a spreadsheet via email.  Wunderground will retain your station data like always.  There may be future developments in this area.

11) New mobile apps are required for myAcurite.  They should now be available at the typical places.

12) The method of reporting rain data is now more robust than before.  Now rain data is less likely to be "lost" due to network glitches and the like.  However, I still recommend you have your SmartHUB on a UPS so that it doesn't power off during severe weather.

13) The concept of "Rain Events" is gone.  myAcurite will keep track of daily rain reset at midnight, much like wunderground does.


Those are the big things I can think of.  More might pop to mind later.  There are some bugs and things in the interface that they will be working on over time.  Hopefully most are minor, but they didn't want to delay the roll-out chasing perfection.






Title: Re: myAcurite (the MBW replacement) announced
Post by: docbee on July 27, 2016, 05:56:02 AM
Here's a few seconds of output to myAcurite.

dateutc=now&action=updateraw&realtime=1&id=24C86Exxxxxx&mt=tower&sensor=00002719&humidity=15&tempf=83.8&baromin=29.92&battery=normal&rssi=3

dateutc=now&action=updateraw&realtime=1&id=24C86Exxxxxx&mt=5N1x31&sensor=00001398&windspeedmph=9&winddir=180&rainin=0.00&dailyrainin=0.03&baromin=29.92&battery=normal&rssi=1

dateutc=now&action=updateraw&realtime=1&id=24C86Exxxxxx&mt=tower&sensor=00002719&humidity=15&tempf=83.8&baromin=29.92&battery=normal&rssi=3

dateutc=now&action=updateraw&realtime=1&id=24C86Exxxxxx&mt=tower&sensor=00013738&humidity=15&tempf=83.6&baromin=29.92&battery=normal&rssi=3

dateutc=now&action=updateraw&realtime=1&id=24C86Exxxxxx&mt=5N1x38&sensor=00001398&windspeedmph=9&humidity=76&tempf=84.0&baromin=29.92&battery=normal&rssi=1



I've obscured the second half of my MAC for privacy reasons.

The baro reading could be station or altimeter depending on your SmartHUB settings.

Thanks, that allows me to start changing the code. One thing that seems to be different from the previous protocol is that baro is added to the packets of the connected sensors (as those clearly don't have a baro senor itself). Unfortunately, the console data packet including indoor temp/hum/baro is not part of Georges capture.

@Georg: If you could drop a sample of the console data packet that would be great and helps to close this gap in understanding. Apart from that the changes seem rather easy to do, especially as they use mostly new keywords when they changed parameter units. By that building a driver that can read both (old and new version) without being told which version to expect is rather easy to build.
Title: Re: myAcurite (the MBW replacement) announced
Post by: nincehelser on July 27, 2016, 07:48:31 AM
Thanks, that allows me to start changing the code. One thing that seems to be different from the previous protocol is that baro is added to the packets of the connected sensors (as those clearly don't have a baro senor itself). Unfortunately, the console data packet including indoor temp/hum/baro is not part of Georges capture.

@Georg: If you could drop a sample of the console data packet that would be great and helps to close this gap in understanding. Apart from that the changes seem rather easy to do, especially as they use mostly new keywords when they changed parameter units. By that building a driver that can read both (old and new version) without being told which version to expect is rather easy to build.

There is no "console data packet".  There never was one as the consoles don't transmit data to the bridge.
Title: Re: myAcurite (the MBW replacement) announced
Post by: vreihen on July 27, 2016, 09:42:02 AM
There is no "console data packet".  There never was one as the consoles don't transmit data to the bridge.

Did the old bridge send it's own internal temp/humidity readings with the barometer in a packet?  I don't recall off the top of my head, but do remember seeing the internal bridge temperature readings somewhere being useless due to electronic heat inside my bridge.  Maybe they decided that since they are supplying the barometer data from the bridge (now smartHUB) that it was pointless to send the tainted internal temperature sensor readings over the wire (since it is being temperature-corrected and decoded internally now)?????
Title: Re: myAcurite (the MBW replacement) announced
Post by: nincehelser on July 27, 2016, 10:16:04 AM
There is no "console data packet".  There never was one as the consoles don't transmit data to the bridge.

Did the old bridge send it's own internal temp/humidity readings with the barometer in a packet?  I don't recall off the top of my head, but do remember seeing the internal bridge temperature readings somewhere being useless due to electronic heat inside my bridge.  Maybe they decided that since they are supplying the barometer data from the bridge (now smartHUB) that it was pointless to send the tainted internal temperature sensor readings over the wire (since it is being temperature-corrected and decoded internally now)?????

No.

However, using the raw baro data you could tease out the operating temperature of the baro sensor, but that was never supported by Acurite. 
Title: Re: myAcurite (the MBW replacement) announced
Post by: Adrian23 on July 27, 2016, 10:19:42 AM
I see things are being done to update meteobridge this is awesome.  PLEASE post here when its safe to update.
Title: Re: myAcurite (the MBW replacement) announced
Post by: Adrian23 on July 27, 2016, 11:55:53 AM
Well just got word CWOP not being supported for now so Iam really not upgrading at this time. Hopefully " please " Meteobridge is working on an update.
Title: Re: myAcurite (the MBW replacement) announced
Post by: nincehelser on July 27, 2016, 12:15:36 PM
It looks like wunderground is getting enough info for rain-rate graphing from the SmartHUB.

I'm not sure I fully understand how wunderground handles rain-rate, though. 

This is from my Texas station.

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Title: Re: myAcurite (the MBW replacement) announced
Post by: Adrian23 on July 27, 2016, 12:25:26 PM
I really would like to update but I don't want to loose my 3rd party options. Hopefully something is done in near future to update Meteobridge. Thx to everyone who contributes to this great forum.
Title: Re: myAcurite (the MBW replacement) announced
Post by: nincehelser on July 27, 2016, 12:40:29 PM
A word of caution.

Do not create a new myAcurite account with the same email as your MBW account.

If you do, it will hinder your account migration.
Title: Re: myAcurite (the MBW replacement) announced
Post by: kevink619 on July 27, 2016, 12:44:30 PM
Wow! As discussed earlier, this is WAY more intuitive than the current method. Yeah, my software and others will need to be updated, but a first-year computer science student could figure this out.  :-)

Here's a few seconds of output to myAcurite.

dateutc=now&action=updateraw&realtime=1&id=24C86Exxxxxx&mt=tower&sensor=00002719&humidity=15&tempf=83.8&baromin=29.92&battery=normal&rssi=3

dateutc=now&action=updateraw&realtime=1&id=24C86Exxxxxx&mt=5N1x31&sensor=00001398&windspeedmph=9&winddir=180&rainin=0.00&dailyrainin=0.03&baromin=29.92&battery=normal&rssi=1

dateutc=now&action=updateraw&realtime=1&id=24C86Exxxxxx&mt=tower&sensor=00002719&humidity=15&tempf=83.8&baromin=29.92&battery=normal&rssi=3

dateutc=now&action=updateraw&realtime=1&id=24C86Exxxxxx&mt=tower&sensor=00013738&humidity=15&tempf=83.6&baromin=29.92&battery=normal&rssi=3

dateutc=now&action=updateraw&realtime=1&id=24C86Exxxxxx&mt=5N1x38&sensor=00001398&windspeedmph=9&humidity=76&tempf=84.0&baromin=29.92&battery=normal&rssi=1



I've obscured the second half of my MAC for privacy reasons.

The baro reading could be station or altimeter depending on your SmartHUB settings.
Title: Re: myAcurite (the MBW replacement) announced
Post by: Adrian23 on July 27, 2016, 01:06:47 PM
Wow! As discussed earlier, this is WAY more intuitive than the current method. Yeah, my software and others will need to be updated, but a first-year computer science student could figure this out.  :-)

Here's a few seconds of output to myAcurite.

dateutc=now&action=updateraw&realtime=1&id=24C86Exxxxxx&mt=tower&sensor=00002719&humidity=15&tempf=83.8&baromin=29.92&battery=normal&rssi=3

dateutc=now&action=updateraw&realtime=1&id=24C86Exxxxxx&mt=5N1x31&sensor=00001398&windspeedmph=9&winddir=180&rainin=0.00&dailyrainin=0.03&baromin=29.92&battery=normal&rssi=1

dateutc=now&action=updateraw&realtime=1&id=24C86Exxxxxx&mt=tower&sensor=00002719&humidity=15&tempf=83.8&baromin=29.92&battery=normal&rssi=3

dateutc=now&action=updateraw&realtime=1&id=24C86Exxxxxx&mt=tower&sensor=00013738&humidity=15&tempf=83.6&baromin=29.92&battery=normal&rssi=3

dateutc=now&action=updateraw&realtime=1&id=24C86Exxxxxx&mt=5N1x38&sensor=00001398&windspeedmph=9&humidity=76&tempf=84.0&baromin=29.92&battery=normal&rssi=1



I've obscured the second half of my MAC for privacy reasons.

The baro reading could be station or altimeter depending on your SmartHUB settings.

Good to here!  Soooo lets update the meteobridge.
Title: Re: myAcurite (the MBW replacement) announced
Post by: docbee on July 27, 2016, 05:10:54 PM
Thanks, that allows me to start changing the code. One thing that seems to be different from the previous protocol is that baro is added to the packets of the connected sensors (as those clearly don't have a baro senor itself). Unfortunately, the console data packet including indoor temp/hum/baro is not part of Georges capture.

@Georg: If you could drop a sample of the console data packet that would be great and helps to close this gap in understanding. Apart from that the changes seem rather easy to do, especially as they use mostly new keywords when they changed parameter units. By that building a driver that can read both (old and new version) without being told which version to expect is rather easy to build.

There is no "console data packet".  There never was one as the consoles don't transmit data to the bridge.

Yes true, I should have been more precise ;-) There was a packet with a string "mt=pressure" in the old firmware, which provides data for pressure and indoor temperature. At least my code for the old firmware tells me that. :eek:
Is that packet from Aculink bridge internal sensor dropped and by that also indoor temp information? Or is it still there? If it is still there, it would be great to have an example of that particular packet as well, to understand how the format has changed.
Title: Re: myAcurite (the MBW replacement) announced
Post by: nincehelser on July 27, 2016, 05:27:02 PM
Yes true, I should have been more precise ;-) There was a packet with a string "mt=pressure" in the old firmware, which provides data for pressure and indoor temperature. At least my code for the old firmware tells me that. :eek:
Is that packet from Aculink bridge internal sensor dropped and by that also indoor temp information? Or is it still there? If it is still there, it would be great to have an example of that particular packet as well, to understand how the format has changed.

The 13 baro parameters are no longer transmitted.  Instead, the SmartHUB calculates the pressure and sends it as "baromin".

Without the raw baro parameters, you can't extract the operating temperature of the baro sensor.  Acurite has never used that feature, likely because it often isn't representative of the general room temperature.

In short, Acurite doesn't support reading the internal temperature of the bridge.  Calculating that temperature is just something you could do if you happen to know the right manufacturer-specific formulas to run on the baro parameters.
Title: Re: myAcurite (the MBW replacement) announced
Post by: docbee on July 27, 2016, 05:47:09 PM
OK, then there is no unmentioned packet to take care of. Thanks.

Now I am looking for beta testers brave enough to test the new code. Any voulanteers?
Otherwise it will take some more days until I am back home and will hopefully be able to update my own Aculink bridge and test the new code with it.
Title: Re: myAcurite (the MBW replacement) announced
Post by: kevink619 on July 28, 2016, 03:41:41 PM
Hi all,

I just got the email from Acu-Rite asking whether to proceed with the firmware upgrade to the Acu-Link bridge. I told them to proceed. I should be getting the upgrade soon.

If you're using my apps - either the scraper or the one that intercepts the network packets from the bridge - the upgrade will break my apps until I modify the code. I will update the code for the bridge reader app first and the scraper later on.

Keep in mind that, if you just want to simply do rapid-fire updates to Weather Underground, the newest firmware should eliminate the need for my apps. If you want to post to CWOP, PWSWeather, and other weather services, you'll need to wait for me to update my apps.

Also, both of my apps work just fine running on Windows 10 - if you're debating whether to upgrade to Windows 10 just do it. I've been quite pleased with Windows 10.

Kevin
Title: Re: myAcurite (the MBW replacement) announced
Post by: Adrian23 on July 28, 2016, 05:12:50 PM
Hi all,

I just got the email from Acu-Rite asking whether to proceed with the firmware upgrade to the Acu-Link bridge. I told them to proceed. I should be getting the upgrade soon.

If you're using my apps - either the scraper or the one that intercepts the network packets from the bridge - the upgrade will break my apps until I modify the code. I will update the code for the bridge reader app first and the scraper later on.

Keep in mind that, if you just want to simply do rapid-fire updates to Weather Underground, the newest firmware should eliminate the need for my apps. If you want to post to CWOP, PWSWeather, and other weather services, you'll need to wait for me to update my apps.

Also, both of my apps work just fine running on Windows 10 - if you're debating whether to upgrade to Windows 10 just do it. I've been quite pleased with Windows 10.

Kevin

We need this same responce for Meteobridge.
Title: Re: myAcurite (the MBW replacement) announced
Post by: kevink619 on July 28, 2016, 05:21:12 PM
here we go...

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Title: Re: myAcurite (the MBW replacement) announced
Post by: Jack Bowman on July 28, 2016, 05:38:45 PM
Hi all,

I just got the email from Acu-Rite asking whether to proceed with the firmware upgrade to the Acu-Link bridge. I told them to proceed. I should be getting the upgrade soon.

If you're using my apps - either the scraper or the one that intercepts the network packets from the bridge - the upgrade will break my apps until I modify the code. I will update the code for the bridge reader app first and the scraper later on.

Keep in mind that, if you just want to simply do rapid-fire updates to Weather Underground, the newest firmware should eliminate the need for my apps. If you want to post to CWOP, PWSWeather, and other weather services, you'll need to wait for me to update my apps.

Also, both of my apps work just fine running on Windows 10 - if you're debating whether to upgrade to Windows 10 just do it. I've been quite pleased with Windows 10.

Kevin

Thanks Kevin! Looking forward to this. It is very much appreciated!
Title: Re: myAcurite (the MBW replacement) announced
Post by: meadowsland on July 28, 2016, 06:16:35 PM
Sorry for my delayed response everyone - been a little tied up getting our migration started. CWOP support is something I am investigating to add to the solution directly. Perhaps all can help me understand - do you want support for weather communities built directly into the system? It seems like the thread implies yes you do.  We are not supporting publishing to CWOP in our initial release as it is more important to deliver and stabilize the platform.

CWOP and PWStation are two some of you have told me. What are the other networks you want to be able to publish data to?
Title: Re: myAcurite (the MBW replacement) announced
Post by: Adrian23 on July 28, 2016, 06:20:50 PM
Well for me CWOP comes first and second PWSweather. CWOP gives me the option to share to MESOwest which i love.
Title: Re: myAcurite (the MBW replacement) announced
Post by: skysummit on July 28, 2016, 11:38:11 PM
Hi all,

I just got the email from Acu-Rite asking whether to proceed with the firmware upgrade to the Acu-Link bridge. I told them to proceed. I should be getting the upgrade soon.

If you're using my apps - either the scraper or the one that intercepts the network packets from the bridge - the upgrade will break my apps until I modify the code. I will update the code for the bridge reader app first and the scraper later on.

Keep in mind that, if you just want to simply do rapid-fire updates to Weather Underground, the newest firmware should eliminate the need for my apps. If you want to post to CWOP, PWSWeather, and other weather services, you'll need to wait for me to update my apps.

Also, both of my apps work just fine running on Windows 10 - if you're debating whether to upgrade to Windows 10 just do it. I've been quite pleased with Windows 10.

Kevin


 =D> \:D/  Thanks for letting us know Kevin!

Also, let us know if we should upgrade the bridge first or your software first.  Looking forward to it :)
Title: Re: myAcurite (the MBW replacement) announced
Post by: Adrian23 on July 29, 2016, 12:12:40 AM
kevink619 are you updating meteobridge? Confused..
Title: Re: myAcurite (the MBW replacement) announced
Post by: nincehelser on July 29, 2016, 12:51:26 AM
kevink619 are you updating meteobridge? Confused..

Kevin has his own Windows program.  It's not related to meteobridge.
Title: Re: myAcurite (the MBW replacement) announced
Post by: skysummit on July 29, 2016, 12:59:44 AM
Question, and it may have been answered somewhere in this thread, but after our bridges are upgraded remotely, how will we see the new online interface?  For instance, when we visit the Aculink page, will it show up differently?
Title: Re: myAcurite (the MBW replacement) announced
Post by: nincehelser on July 29, 2016, 01:04:22 AM
Question, and it may have been answered somewhere in this thread, but after our bridges are upgraded remotely, how will we see the new online interface?  For instance, when we visit the Aculink page, will it show up differently?

You'll use a new URL.  myAcurite.com
Title: Re: myAcurite (the MBW replacement) announced
Post by: skysummit on July 29, 2016, 01:29:18 AM
Question, and it may have been answered somewhere in this thread, but after our bridges are upgraded remotely, how will we see the new online interface?  For instance, when we visit the Aculink page, will it show up differently?

You'll use a new URL.  myAcurite.com

Well that was simple enough.  Should've known that :)
Title: Re: myAcurite (the MBW replacement) announced
Post by: skysummit on July 29, 2016, 01:32:49 AM
One more dumb question that's probably been asked.  My bridge is using Kevin's program so it's plugged into my bridged internet connection on a separate laptop.

When it's time to upgrade, I'm guessing I'll have to unplug from the laptop, and plug the bridge directly into the router like a normal set up?
Title: Re: myAcurite (the MBW replacement) announced
Post by: nincehelser on July 29, 2016, 01:42:25 AM
One more dumb question that's probably been asked.  My bridge is using Kevin's program so it's plugged into my bridged internet connection on a separate laptop.

When it's time to upgrade, I'm guessing I'll have to unplug from the laptop, and plug the bridge directly into the router like a normal set up?

That's the safest way to do it. 

It might work just fine as-is, but I wouldn't want to be the first one to find it doesn't.
Title: Re: myAcurite (the MBW replacement) announced
Post by: skysummit on July 29, 2016, 01:49:23 AM
Ok, thanks. 

I was just looking through the newer sensors, and man I wish they'd develop a UV sensor.  Maybe down the road.
Title: Re: myAcurite (the MBW replacement) announced
Post by: nincehelser on July 29, 2016, 02:23:32 AM
I was just looking through the newer sensors, and man I wish they'd develop a UV sensor.  Maybe down the road.

I've mentioned that to Larry.  To me it seems a no-brainer.  Since myAcruite now allows for up to 10 sensors (up from 3), they must have something new up their sleeve to fill some of those slots.

An air-quality sensor would be nice, too.

Maybe a simple lightning sensor.

Or maybe even a background radiation sensor.
Title: Re: myAcurite (the MBW replacement) announced
Post by: Inverno on July 29, 2016, 07:01:55 AM
How do we know when the firmware is ready to be updated?  I got the email for the survey, is there another email?
Title: Re: myAcurite (the MBW replacement) announced
Post by: Adrian23 on July 29, 2016, 08:30:08 AM
This is frustrating not able to update my acurite stuff cause of Meteobridge. Really hope someone comes through soon and fixes this.
Title: Re: myAcurite (the MBW replacement) announced
Post by: DoctorKnow on July 29, 2016, 08:39:36 AM
How do we know when the firmware is ready to be updated?  I got the email for the survey, is there another email?
There is another E-mail. I have not received my invite yet, but I understand it won't be long now. ;)
Title: Re: myAcurite (the MBW replacement) announced
Post by: DoctorKnow on July 29, 2016, 12:13:51 PM
Anyone know how to regulate pressure? Mine is 31.12. It should be 29.90 inHg
Title: Re: myAcurite (the MBW replacement) announced
Post by: haroldashe on July 29, 2016, 01:10:09 PM
On the new myAcurite screen, go to settings>devices>myAcurite Smart Hub>edit.  At the bottom of the page there will be box in which you can enter the calibration factor.  Be sure to click the "station pressure" option, too. not the "adjusted pressure" box.

With that said, the pressure shown on the dashboard will not change to reflect the calibration factor...the dashboard will continue to show the uncorrected station pressure.  Weather Underground will receive and show the corrected pressure.  I have pointed this out to Larry and I think they're working on getting the dashboard and WUG synched.
Title: Re: myAcurite (the MBW replacement) announced
Post by: nincehelser on July 29, 2016, 01:23:02 PM
On the new myAcurite screen, go to settings>devices>myAcurite Smart Hub>edit.  At the bottom of the page there will be box in which you can enter the calibration factor.  Be sure to click the "station pressure" option, too. not the "adjusted pressure" box.

With that said, the pressure shown on the dashboard will not change to reflect the calibration factor...the dashboard will continue to show the uncorrected station pressure.  Weather Underground will receive and show the corrected pressure.  I have pointed this out to Larry and I think they're working on getting the dashboard and WUG synched.

It works on mine.  Are you sure you're waiting long enough for the next baro update and refreshing manually?

The only thing that bugs me is that I can only adjust to the nearest tenth instead of hundredth.
Title: Re: myAcurite (the MBW replacement) announced
Post by: meadowsland on July 29, 2016, 01:26:42 PM
On the new myAcurite screen, go to settings>devices>myAcurite Smart Hub>edit.  At the bottom of the page there will be box in which you can enter the calibration factor.  Be sure to click the "station pressure" option, too. not the "adjusted pressure" box.

With that said, the pressure shown on the dashboard will not change to reflect the calibration factor...the dashboard will continue to show the uncorrected station pressure.  Weather Underground will receive and show the corrected pressure.  I have pointed this out to Larry and I think they're working on getting the dashboard and WUG synched.

this has been fixed - make sure you are set to station pressure and then apply adjustments. Could take up to 36 seconds for it to update.  Try manual refreshing
Title: Re: myAcurite (the MBW replacement) announced
Post by: haroldashe on July 29, 2016, 01:41:14 PM
OK, will try manual refresh...right now, WUG seems to be partially down since about 9:47 am although the temp shown on the "current conditions" map is correct.
Title: Re: myAcurite (the MBW replacement) announced
Post by: haroldashe on July 29, 2016, 01:51:34 PM
OK, now it worked on manual refresh.
Title: Re: myAcurite (the MBW replacement) announced
Post by: DoctorKnow on July 29, 2016, 03:29:35 PM
Mine is good now, thanks everyone.
Title: Re: myAcurite (the MBW replacement) announced
Post by: docbee on July 29, 2016, 03:36:55 PM
This is frustrating not able to update my acurite stuff cause of Meteobridge. Really hope someone comes through soon and fixes this.
Keep calm :-P The version of Meteobridge just released has some alpha code based on the snippets George did share with us. I had no chance in testing so far as my Aculink bridge is still not on the new version, sorry. When you reboot your Meteobridge you might see data coming in from your updated Aculink... or not. As send via PM I really would like to check out myself on your Meteobridge connected to an updated Aculink bridge. I guess you know what to do, when you are fine with logging me in.
Title: Re: myAcurite (the MBW replacement) announced
Post by: DoctorKnow on July 29, 2016, 03:42:38 PM
How do we adjust the feed to Wunderground? My offsets have not made any difference on their end. My humidity and Barometer is not matching. My thermometer is also not taking the negative offset I put.
Title: Re: myAcurite (the MBW replacement) announced
Post by: docbee on July 29, 2016, 03:50:34 PM
Looks like I locked myself out of Acurite cloud services :lol:

As mentioned before I was able to reactivate my old acurite Aculink account (MyBackYard weather or how they call it). Unfortunately, it looks like my Aculink bridge was not connected to this account. So I tried to register the MAC
of my Aculink bridge but it then tells me that the MAC is already bound to another account. Hmmm, I guess I
did once used another account and bound it to there but, sorry, I can't remember (years ago). :shock:

Any ideas from the Aculink insiders here how to get my Aculink device mapped to my current account?
I browsed a bit in the Acurite forum but didn't find any hint on that.

I guess other users might also have the problem, when they did register once but then never made use of the cloud services and don't remember the credentials anymore.
Title: Re: myAcurite (the MBW replacement) announced
Post by: DoctorKnow on July 29, 2016, 03:58:41 PM
WUnderground is screwed up. My Oregon Station is not working Live, and neither is the Ambient station next to me. It's no wonder the Acurite isn't updating...

And NOW, they have kicked off the acurite. ](*,) ](*,) ](*,)
Title: Re: myAcurite (the MBW replacement) announced
Post by: haroldashe on July 29, 2016, 04:06:58 PM
DocBee, you will have to call AcuRite's customer support and have someone there "force register" it for you.

1-877-221-1252
Title: Re: myAcurite (the MBW replacement) announced
Post by: docbee on July 29, 2016, 04:12:49 PM
DocBee, you will have to call AcuRite's customer support and have someone there "force register" it for you.

1-877-221-1252

What a joy to do this from Germany... Hopefully, they understand me at all  8-)
Title: Re: myAcurite (the MBW replacement) announced
Post by: haroldashe on July 29, 2016, 05:16:54 PM
I will bet they understand you perfectly!  :-)
Title: Re: myAcurite (the MBW replacement) announced
Post by: Bushman on July 29, 2016, 05:34:36 PM
DocBee, you will have to call AcuRite's customer support and have someone there "force register" it for you.

1-877-221-1252

I bet Larry could do it for you. I have had good support via the Acurite web forum/email.  You could try that too.
Title: Re: myAcurite (the MBW replacement) announced
Post by: Adrian23 on July 30, 2016, 01:04:06 PM
Larry if your around make this happen! So Meteobridge can get updated " please ".
Title: Re: myAcurite (the MBW replacement) announced
Post by: daman on July 30, 2016, 02:46:56 PM
Aculink, MBW has been down for a wile know, anyone else?
Title: Re: myAcurite (the MBW replacement) announced
Post by: nincehelser on July 30, 2016, 03:05:32 PM
Aculink, MBW has been down for a wile know, anyone else?

Looks up to me.

If you've migrated to myAcurite, MBW will stop updating, though.
Title: Re: myAcurite (the MBW replacement) announced
Post by: daman on July 30, 2016, 03:12:11 PM
Aculink, MBW has been down for a wile know, anyone else?

Looks up to me.

If you've migrated to myAcurite, MBW will stop updating, though.
No I haven't migrated yet haven't got the email. Site is down for me but my android app is working, strange.
Title: Re: myAcurite (the MBW replacement) announced
Post by: haroldashe on July 30, 2016, 07:12:52 PM
MyAcuRite (new platform) is working for me.
Title: Re: myAcurite (the MBW replacement) announced
Post by: Adrian23 on July 30, 2016, 07:35:13 PM
MyAcuRite (new platform) is working for me.

Harold anything from Boris on updating Meteobridge?
Title: Re: myAcurite (the MBW replacement) announced
Post by: Jáchym on July 30, 2016, 07:43:30 PM
Didnt Boris say already he will do everything he can to update it? :D
Title: Re: myAcurite (the MBW replacement) announced
Post by: daman on July 30, 2016, 08:14:53 PM
Didnt Boris say already he will do everything he can to update it? :D
x2.. asking 5 times a day isn't going to make it happen any sooner  :roll:
Title: Re: myAcurite (the MBW replacement) announced
Post by: Jáchym on July 30, 2016, 08:24:53 PM
Adrian should start developing stuff and also be responsible for support :D Im sure he would very soon undestand :D
Title: Re: myAcurite (the MBW replacement) announced
Post by: lrosenman on July 30, 2016, 08:27:24 PM
Adrian should start developing stuff and also be responsible for support :D Im sure he would very soon undestand :D
+100

After 35+ years in IT/Support, I very well understand. :)
Title: Re: myAcurite (the MBW replacement) announced
Post by: docbee on July 31, 2016, 05:38:56 AM
I will bet they understand you perfectly!  :-)

There even seems to be an Aculink specific line +1 844 2285465 but they can't be reached on the week end... must be paradise to work for Acurite  :-P

Will give them on Monday a try  :grin:

@Adrian: As said the new version (past July 29) has the code already in there, but untested until I have my Aculink migrated. As I have some spare time today, you can give me remote access to your Meteobridge and do the migration. If problems occur I can then directly analyze and fix on your rig. So you have it in your own hands to speed things up, if it is that urgent ;-)
Title: Re: myAcurite (the MBW replacement) announced
Post by: docbee on July 31, 2016, 07:34:25 PM
I was able to conduct a few tests. I think it is now safe to use Meteobridge in most current version (July 30, August 1) with old and/or new Aculink bridge firmware. If you discover problems please post to "info(at)meteobridge.com" as I will mostly step out of this Acurite section again. Thanks. 
Title: Re: myAcurite (the MBW replacement) announced
Post by: kevink619 on July 31, 2016, 09:53:57 PM
One more dumb question that's probably been asked.  My bridge is using Kevin's program so it's plugged into my bridged internet connection on a separate laptop.

When it's time to upgrade, I'm guessing I'll have to unplug from the laptop, and plug the bridge directly into the router like a normal set up?

I kept my bridge connection to the bridged internet connection and the update went through just fine. :-)
Title: Re: myAcurite (the MBW replacement) announced
Post by: skysummit on July 31, 2016, 09:58:36 PM
One more dumb question that's probably been asked.  My bridge is using Kevin's program so it's plugged into my bridged internet connection on a separate laptop.

When it's time to upgrade, I'm guessing I'll have to unplug from the laptop, and plug the bridge directly into the router like a normal set up?

I kept my bridge connection to the bridged internet connection and the update went through just fine. :-)

Awesome, and this is coming from the man :D

Looking forward to getting my upgrade email now.
Title: Re: myAcurite (the MBW replacement) announced
Post by: kevink619 on July 31, 2016, 10:03:09 PM
One more dumb question that's probably been asked.  My bridge is using Kevin's program so it's plugged into my bridged internet connection on a separate laptop.

When it's time to upgrade, I'm guessing I'll have to unplug from the laptop, and plug the bridge directly into the router like a normal set up?

I kept my bridge connection to the bridged internet connection and the update went through just fine. :-)

Awesome, and this is coming from the man :D

Looking forward to getting my upgrade email now.

No problem. In the very near future I'll be updating my bridge reader app. I've been busy with my night sky photography lately, however.

https://www.flickr.com/photos/slworking/

Kevin
Title: Re: myAcurite (the MBW replacement) announced
Post by: skysummit on July 31, 2016, 10:32:07 PM
One more dumb question that's probably been asked.  My bridge is using Kevin's program so it's plugged into my bridged internet connection on a separate laptop.

When it's time to upgrade, I'm guessing I'll have to unplug from the laptop, and plug the bridge directly into the router like a normal set up?

I kept my bridge connection to the bridged internet connection and the update went through just fine. :-)

Awesome, and this is coming from the man :D

Looking forward to getting my upgrade email now.

No problem. In the very near future I'll be updating my bridge reader app. I've been busy with my night sky photography lately, however.

https://www.flickr.com/photos/slworking/

Kevin

OH WOW  :shock:  I'm big time jealous now....being a lover of camping and astronomy!  Love where you're taking these pics as well!  I was a member of the Ponchartrain Astronomy Society down here for a number of years, which is based out of New Orleans, but ours skies are no where near as dark as what you have.  We do have a dark sky site however.  Still no where near as dark.

Ok, back on topic...so I do have to wait to upgrade now since I'm using your bridge reader :)
Title: Re: myAcurite (the MBW replacement) announced
Post by: Adrian23 on July 31, 2016, 11:27:08 PM
I will bet they understand you perfectly!  :-)

There even seems to be an Aculink specific line +1 844 2285465 but they can't be reached on the week end... must be paradise to work for Acurite  :-P

Will give them on Monday a try  :grin:

@Adrian: As said the new version (past July 29) has the code already in there, but untested until I have my Aculink migrated. As I have some spare time today, you can give me remote access to your Meteobridge and do the migration. If problems occur I can then directly analyze and fix on your rig. So you have it in your own hands to speed things up, if it is that urgent ;-)

Do I disconnect Meteobridge from aculink bridge on initial upgrade from acurite or there is no need for that? Someone told me my aculink bridge could brick. Thx again I'll be waiting till your done completely. So glad I'll be able to continue my CWOP sharing soon.
Title: Re: myAcurite (the MBW replacement) announced
Post by: kevink619 on July 31, 2016, 11:51:52 PM
One more dumb question that's probably been asked.  My bridge is using Kevin's program so it's plugged into my bridged internet connection on a separate laptop.

When it's time to upgrade, I'm guessing I'll have to unplug from the laptop, and plug the bridge directly into the router like a normal set up?

I kept my bridge connection to the bridged internet connection and the update went through just fine. :-)

Awesome, and this is coming from the man :D

Looking forward to getting my upgrade email now.

No problem. In the very near future I'll be updating my bridge reader app. I've been busy with my night sky photography lately, however.

https://www.flickr.com/photos/slworking/

Kevin

OH WOW  :shock:  I'm big time jealous now....being a lover of camping and astronomy!  Love where you're taking these pics as well!  I was a member of the Ponchartrain Astronomy Society down here for a number of years, which is based out of New Orleans, but ours skies are no where near as dark as what you have.  We do have a dark sky site however.  Still no where near as dark.

Ok, back on topic...so I do have to wait to upgrade now since I'm using your bridge reader :)

Thanks. San Diego County is an awesome place for stargazing and astrophotography. Only only needs to drive a little over an hour from downtown to the mountains to get away from urban light pollution.

And yeah, I'll update my bridge reader app soon....

Kevin
Title: Re: myAcurite (the MBW replacement) announced
Post by: nincehelser on August 01, 2016, 12:03:53 AM

Do I disconnect Meteobridge from aculink bridge on initial upgrade from acurite or there is no need for that? Someone told me my aculink bridge could brick. Thx again I'll be waiting till your done completely. So glad I'll be able to continue my CWOP sharing soon.

(*sigh*)  One more time...

If the update is interrupted, you risk bricking your Aculink bridge.  I'm speaking from experience.  Vreihen also bricked a bridge once (mentioned earlier in this thread).

If you completely trust the way your bridge is currently hooked up, then go for it.  It might very well work.

But if anything unexpected happens, don't say you weren't warned.

When you're doing a firmware update on most any gadget, you want to keep the possibilities for failure down to a minimum.  It's like surgery....it's just the wrong time for anything to foul up as your device is in its most vulnerable state.

You can avoid some risk by moving the cable from the bridge directly to the router.  If that is not acceptable to you for some reason, then you can go forward as-is, but you assume the risk.
Title: Re: myAcurite (the MBW replacement) announced
Post by: DoctorKnow on August 01, 2016, 07:53:25 AM
Disconnect the bridge from Meteobridge, and plug directly into your provider or routers ethernet port while doing the update. This should be simple.
Title: Re: myAcurite (the MBW replacement) announced
Post by: skysummit on August 05, 2016, 12:07:26 AM
Man it's been quiet in this Acurite forum!   :shock:
Title: Re: myAcurite (the MBW replacement) announced
Post by: nincehelser on August 05, 2016, 03:03:39 AM
Man it's been quiet in this Acurite forum!   :shock:

Nothing much to talk about other than an email went out that confused a bunch of users into not waiting for the migration process.

 #-o
Title: Re: myAcurite (the MBW replacement) announced
Post by: daman on August 05, 2016, 12:47:25 PM
I've yet to receive the migrate email
Title: Re: myAcurite (the MBW replacement) announced
Post by: nincehelser on August 05, 2016, 12:56:06 PM
I've yet to receive the migrate email

That's certainly possible.  They're spreading the migration over two months.  From what I've read they're upgrading accounts selected at random.
Title: Re: myAcurite (the MBW replacement) announced
Post by: skysummit on August 05, 2016, 08:51:47 PM
I haven't gotten my email either.  I did get the first one with the survey asking when I'd want to upgrade though...got that one a few weeks ago.

I'm getting anxious :)   Even if I get the email tonight though, I still have to wait for Kevin's update  :grin:

How about this...those of you who have upgraded, any screenshots from MyAcurite to share?
Title: Re: myAcurite (the MBW replacement) announced
Post by: tandy1000 on August 05, 2016, 10:09:54 PM
Waiting for my email as well. Acurite could have definitely done a better job of managing the communications. Oh well. Anyone have the leak detector or soil temp sensor? I have both but are unused, at least until I get the upgrade!
Title: Re: myAcurite (the MBW replacement) announced
Post by: sundevil01010101 on August 06, 2016, 07:15:11 AM
Waiting for my email as well. Acurite could have definitely done a better job of managing the communications. Oh well. Anyone have the leak detector or soil temp sensor? I have both but are unused, at least until I get the upgrade!

I agree there, they should have communicated a cut-over plan like state/area by week, something.   People are inherently impatient and us weather crazies even less :)

They don't get the passion do they lol.
Title: Re: myAcurite (the MBW replacement) announced
Post by: nincehelser on August 06, 2016, 08:10:27 AM
I agree there, they should have communicated a cut-over plan like state/area by week, something.   People are inherently impatient and us weather crazies even less :)

They don't get the passion do they lol.

Actually, they did state a plan.  From the start they said it would begin late July and end in September.  That was made clear a long, long time ago in the first announcements.

Over the past couple weeks everything seems to have been moving over smoothly.  Except, however, for some particular email (I've never seen it) that apparently confused some people into creating a new account on the new system rather than waiting to have their firmware upgraded and existing account migrated.  That's not a huge deal in itself, but some have gone off the deep end, even bitching about Acurite's company picnic that was scheduled for Friday.

You can't please everybody.  I've been involved with plenty of roll-outs to know this.  Some will complain you're overloading them with too much information, then others will complain about getting too little.   Then you have the crazies that will complain about both at the same time.   ](*,)
Title: Re: myAcurite (the MBW replacement) announced
Post by: tandy1000 on August 06, 2016, 08:21:38 AM
I think the issue is for folks who do not participate in the forums or support site. A normal consumer would probably set and forget when they first got their station, with little need to visit Acurite unless something was wrong.

The email was definitely misleading, when it has a subject line of "OFFICIAL PRODUCT LAUNCH: My AcuRite Now Available!" with no disclaimer of "until you have been migrated" I certainly don't blame anyone for creating a new account.




Title: Re: myAcurite (the MBW replacement) announced
Post by: nincehelser on August 06, 2016, 08:33:07 AM
I think the issue is for folks who do not participate in the forums or support site. A normal consumer would probably set and forget when they first got their station, with little need to visit Acurite unless something was wrong.

The email was definitely misleading, when it has a subject line of "OFFICIAL PRODUCT LAUNCH: My AcuRite Now Available!" with no disclaimer of "until you have been migrated" I certainly don't blame anyone for creating a new account.

At least that misleading email didn't go out to everybody.

There's no real big issue about making a new account.  Support just deletes it.  It's not the train-wreck some are trying to make it out to be.
Title: Re: myAcurite (the MBW replacement) announced
Post by: sundevil01010101 on August 06, 2016, 08:58:25 AM
Quote

Actually, they did state a plan.  From the start they said it would begin late July and end in September.  That was made clear a long, long time ago in the first announcements.


I agree, complaining about their company picnic is just plain dumb.   And never can please everybody that's a given. 

I'm just saying it'd have been nice to have a bit more idea when you will be updated.  July to Sept is a long time to twist in the wind wondering. 

But I'll live... :) 

Title: Re: myAcurite (the MBW replacement) announced
Post by: vreihen on August 06, 2016, 09:00:02 AM
Except, however, for some particular email (I've never seen it) that apparently confused some people into creating a new account on the new system rather than waiting to have their firmware upgraded and existing account migrated.

You have seen it now..... ;)

(http://i791.photobucket.com/albums/yy193/vreihen/my-acurite_zpsp1eeiyvf.png)
Title: Re: myAcurite (the MBW replacement) announced
Post by: tandy1000 on August 06, 2016, 09:12:44 AM
Certainly no train wreck, some people just have a need to be angry. I usually get two copies of every Acurite email - one for the account that I order my Acurite stuff from, and one for the Aculink account. In this case I only got one email, so they properly excluded some accounts.

They definitely could have gone a different route and required new hardware. I'd certainly be losing some sleep if I had to roll out new firmware to thousands of devices in unknown environments, all while migrating to a new infrastructure!
Title: Re: myAcurite (the MBW replacement) announced
Post by: DoctorKnow on August 06, 2016, 09:32:05 AM
I like the new site. There are still some features that I think need to be added, but hopefully in time these will appear. The feed to Wunderground is not controllable from an upload time standpoint, and you cannot adjust the offsets. Whatever comes down from the sensor goes straight out to Wunderground without delay now.

I was lucky enough to get the E-mail quickly and I thank Acurite and staff for their diligence, especially knowing they have TONS of customers! I really like the speed and layout of the new software.
Title: Re: myAcurite (the MBW replacement) announced
Post by: nincehelser on August 06, 2016, 09:57:51 AM
On another note, I'm kind of surprised there hasn't been much mention of the new "Acurite PC Connect" software that's now available on their site.  I wonder if they're "migrating" those accounts, too.  Seems like it be trivial to set up in comparison with a bridge with several sensors.

Unfortunately I think that's going to cause some name confusion again.  Here's my understand of the USB software line-up.

"PC Connect"  The software that ran on a Windows PC and streams to MBW only.  Uses Acurite/VIS Reader software.

"Acurite Connect"  First released about a year ago.  Streams to both MBW and wunderground directly. No longer uses Acurite/VIS Reader software.

"Acurite PC Connect"  Recent release.  Streams to myAcurite and wunderground directly.

"Acurite Mac Connect" Guessing at the name.  Acurite has been soliciting testers for this for the past month or so.

Title: Re: myAcurite (the MBW replacement) announced
Post by: daman on August 06, 2016, 10:21:50 AM
Except, however, for some particular email (I've never seen it) that apparently confused some people into creating a new account on the new system rather than waiting to have their firmware upgraded and existing account migrated.

You have seen it now..... ;)

(http://i791.photobucket.com/albums/yy193/vreihen/my-acurite_zpsp1eeiyvf.png)
I got the same one a few days ago!  #-o
Title: Re: myAcurite (the MBW replacement) announced
Post by: nincehelser on August 06, 2016, 10:32:53 AM
I got the same one a few days ago!  #-o

I don't think that's the one people are complaining about.  It seems to have something to do with an announcement of a mobile app.
Title: Re: myAcurite (the MBW replacement) announced
Post by: nincehelser on August 06, 2016, 10:48:31 AM
Sounds like Acurite has opened to take calls this Saturday morning.


We have opened up our support today Saturday 8/6 for those of you with questions and concerns pertaining to "My AcuRite" specifically. You can reach us by calling 877.221.1252 followed by selecting options 1 then 2 and you will be connected with a My AcuRite specialist. We will be here from 8am - 12pm CST and this is only for technical support pertaining to our My AcuRite product line at this time. General customer service and technical support for all other AcuRite product's will be available again on Monday during our normal business hours of 7am - 5pm CST.

- Your AcuRite Support Team
Title: Re: myAcurite (the MBW replacement) announced
Post by: sundevil01010101 on August 06, 2016, 10:56:17 AM
Oh boy, hope it's not overwhelmed by people calling in to find out when they will be converted over lol :twisted:

Maybe this is to make up for that company picnic on Friday lol.
Title: Re: myAcurite (the MBW replacement) announced
Post by: skysummit on August 06, 2016, 11:19:35 AM
So this second email...what does it look like?  Does it actually say something like "you're ready to upgrade, please follow these steps"?  Or something similar.  Or is it just a generic email saying MyAcurite is available like the screenshot above?

(that darn picnic!   =D> )
Title: Re: myAcurite (the MBW replacement) announced
Post by: tandy1000 on August 08, 2016, 02:33:59 PM
Just got my migration email! Too bad I'm at work. Skysummit - it's not like the marketing email, this one has step-by-step directions and the subject is "Migrate to the new My Acurite"

Title: Re: myAcurite (the MBW replacement) announced
Post by: skysummit on August 08, 2016, 04:13:29 PM
Just got my migration email! Too bad I'm at work. Skysummit - it's not like the marketing email, this one has step-by-step directions and the subject is "Migrate to the new My Acurite"

Ok, thanks for letting me know!  \:D/
Title: Re: myAcurite (the MBW replacement) announced
Post by: skysummit on August 08, 2016, 04:15:00 PM
Just got my migration email! Too bad I'm at work. Skysummit - it's not like the marketing email, this one has step-by-step directions and the subject is "Migrate to the new My Acurite"

Ok, thanks for letting me know!  \:D/

Just checked after reading your post and I got mine too!  A big thanks for letting me know because it went to the "promotions" folder in my Gmail which I usually delete daily without even reading them  :shock:

So now I just wait for Kevin's golden message saying his bridge reader is ready :)
Title: Re: myAcurite (the MBW replacement) announced
Post by: tandy1000 on August 08, 2016, 05:00:17 PM
Whew, glad you caught it! I have to update my Python code as well for my home monitoring stuff. I'll probably just disable it for now, just because I'm anxious to see the data from the soil temp sensor and leak detector.  :-P
Title: Re: myAcurite (the MBW replacement) announced
Post by: Adrian23 on August 08, 2016, 06:26:09 PM
Question I had adjusted my pressure on the old mbyw and I just migrated but pressure seems to high now do I need to add adjustment again? I had 1.3001 in old mbyw. what Portion of those numbers do i put in new mbyw? thx
Title: Re: myAcurite (the MBW replacement) announced
Post by: nincehelser on August 08, 2016, 06:34:44 PM
Question I had adjusted my pressure on the old mbyw and I just migrated but pressure seems to high now do I need to add adjustment again? I had 1.3001 in old mbyw. what Portion of those numbers do i put in new mbyw? thx

Go to settings/devices and edit your SmartHUB.

Down near the bottom you'll see this.

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Set the radio button for Station, then set adjustment to 1.3, then save.

Go back to your desktop.  Wait at least 36 seconds for the data to update, then refresh the screen to see if your adjustment took hold.
Title: Re: myAcurite (the MBW replacement) announced
Post by: Adrian23 on August 08, 2016, 06:50:01 PM
Did not work... It's suppose to be 29.98 and after I migrated it's now 31.36 I just added adjustment I previously had 1.30 and its still stuck on 31.36. :0(
Title: Re: myAcurite (the MBW replacement) announced
Post by: nincehelser on August 08, 2016, 06:59:45 PM
Did not work... It's suppose to be 29.98 and after I migrated it's now 31.36 I just added adjustment I previously had 1.30 and its still stuck on 31.36. :0(

Hmm... OK.  Let's start from scratch.

Go back to edit mode and set the adjustment to zero.  Save it.  Wait at least 36 seconds (maybe a bit more to be safe), then refresh your screen.  You should see a lower pressure reading on your dashboard.

Next, get the pressure reading from your local airport.  Figure out what the difference is between your airport reading and station pressure.  That's the value you should put in for the adjustment.

So, go back to edit mode again and enter the adjustment you calculated.  Save it.  Wait 36 seconds or so, then check the dashboard.  It should be showing what you want by then.
Title: Re: myAcurite (the MBW replacement) announced
Post by: Adrian23 on August 08, 2016, 07:04:57 PM
Ok well my closest airport is 29.98 and myacurite is showing 31.33. Can someone provide me the adjustment or difference I need to set. Thx
Title: Re: myAcurite (the MBW replacement) announced
Post by: nincehelser on August 08, 2016, 07:09:29 PM
Ok well my closest airport is 29.98 and myacurite is showing 31.33. Can someone provide me the adjustment or difference I need to set. Thx

Assuming you have myAcurite set to "station pressure", 29.98 - 31.33 = -1.35.

That sounds pretty clos to what you had before, except it's negative.

So the adjustment is -1.35.  However, I don't think myAculink is will let you adjust to the hundredths, so you'll have to enter -1.3 or -1.4 instead.

I've let Larry know about the hundredths issue.
Title: Re: myAcurite (the MBW replacement) announced
Post by: Adrian23 on August 08, 2016, 07:12:28 PM
Ok just put 1.4 lets see
Title: Re: myAcurite (the MBW replacement) announced
Post by: Adrian23 on August 08, 2016, 07:15:29 PM
So far nothing at all still stuck 31.33 which is rediculous
Title: Re: myAcurite (the MBW replacement) announced
Post by: nincehelser on August 08, 2016, 07:18:32 PM
So far nothing at all still stuck 31.33 which is rediculous

Are you sure you have the "Station Pressure" radio button selected?
Title: Re: myAcurite (the MBW replacement) announced
Post by: Adrian23 on August 08, 2016, 07:23:45 PM
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So far nothing at all still stuck 31.33 which is rediculous

Are you sure you have the "Station Pressure" radio button selected?
Title: Re: myAcurite (the MBW replacement) announced
Post by: Adrian23 on August 08, 2016, 07:25:02 PM
Just went up to 31.42
Title: Re: myAcurite (the MBW replacement) announced
Post by: nincehelser on August 08, 2016, 07:26:09 PM
Just went up to 31.42

Are you plugged into the router or your metobridge?
Title: Re: myAcurite (the MBW replacement) announced
Post by: Adrian23 on August 08, 2016, 07:38:15 PM
Yes
Title: Re: myAcurite (the MBW replacement) announced
Post by: nincehelser on August 08, 2016, 07:40:30 PM
I mean which one?

The offset data (as well as other settings) needs to be pushed down to your SmartHUB.  I'm just wondering if something in the meteobridge might be hindering that communication.  It shouldn't but you never know.
Title: Re: myAcurite (the MBW replacement) announced
Post by: Adrian23 on August 08, 2016, 08:32:45 PM
Both
Title: Re: myAcurite (the MBW replacement) announced
Post by: nincehelser on August 08, 2016, 08:35:26 PM
Both

Now you have me really confused.

The SmartHUB is either plugged into your router, or it is plugged into your meteobridge.

Which is it?  It can't be both.
Title: Re: myAcurite (the MBW replacement) announced
Post by: Adrian23 on August 08, 2016, 11:06:58 PM
Both

Now you have me really confused.

The SmartHUB is either plugged into your router, or it is plugged into your meteobridge.

Which is it?  It can't be both.

I did upgrade today via my iPhone from work. my aculink bridge is plugged into Meteobridge.
Title: Re: myAcurite (the MBW replacement) announced
Post by: Adrian23 on August 08, 2016, 11:09:10 PM
Should I plug aculink bridge directly to router then try to offset pressure again?
Title: Re: myAcurite (the MBW replacement) announced
Post by: Adrian23 on August 08, 2016, 11:59:03 PM
wow I just noticed the new look MBYW does not have a clock displayed showing you when the next update is coming. You have to manually refresh it seems. I actually liked the clock.
Title: Re: myAcurite (the MBW replacement) announced
Post by: Adrian23 on August 09, 2016, 12:40:01 AM
Ok well when I plugged smarthub directly to router and place a 0 it fixes the problem but not on CWOP and other sites. When I add 1.3 it brings my pressure up. The pressure also comes up when I reconnect the smarthub to the meteobridge. Hopefully someone will make sense of this really soon.
Title: Re: myAcurite (the MBW replacement) announced
Post by: Adrian23 on August 09, 2016, 01:20:55 AM
Almost like something in the meteobridge might be hindering the pressure communication :-( This is rediculous   

Title: Re: myAcurite (the MBW replacement) announced
Post by: nincehelser on August 09, 2016, 01:47:17 AM
Ok well when I plugged smarthub directly to router and place a 0 it fixes the problem but not on CWOP and other sites. When I add 1.3 it brings my pressure up. The pressure also comes up when I reconnect the smarthub to the meteobridge. Hopefully someone will make sense of this really soon.

I'm not sure I've made sense of this, but here are some thoughts.

The original bridge firmware always emitted station (absolute) pressure.  The meteobridge should have been applying the 1.3 adjustment itself.  You might have also had a 1.3 adjustment in MBW, but meteobridge didn't care about that.

When you enter an adjustment on myAcurite, that adjustment data is pushed down to your SmartHUB.  It seems like meteobridge might not be letting that adjustment pass down.  You might want to confirm this by adjusting the pressure on myAcurite with and without the meteobridge in the loop.  Frankly, it should work assuming meteobridge works as a transparent network bridge.

Now here's a possible problem... if you adjust the pressure on myAcurite and it gets pushed down (successfully) to the SmartHUB, will meteobridge then add another adjustment to the pressure for CWOP and others?  If that's the case, you should make sure the pressure only gets adjusted in one place.

To throw another wrench in the works, Larry told me the production code in the SmartHUBs is not applying a pressure correction to wunderground.  That's going to be fixed in the next production release.  It seems to be working fine in staging from what I can tell.

For now I suggest you leave myAcurite in "station pressure" mode with no adjustment.  Then use meteobridge to add the adjustment for CWOP.  Don't worry about adjusting the pressure for wunderground right now.  They really don't seem to care and look to be applying their own adjustments.

An alternative might be to apply the adjustment in myAcurite, and remove any adjustment in meteobridge.  I'd only do this if you can confirm that the meteobridge isn't blocking pressure adjustments from being sent down the the SmartHUB.

I hope this makes sense... I need sleep.   :shock:
Title: Re: myAcurite (the MBW replacement) announced
Post by: nincehelser on August 09, 2016, 01:50:59 AM
wow I just noticed the new look MBYW does not have a clock displayed showing you when the next update is coming. You have to manually refresh it seems. I actually liked the clock.

I think they took that out as it was confusing some people into thinking updates only happen every 5 minutes.  In reality, it was just a countdown until the screen automatically refreshed itself. 
Title: Re: myAcurite (the MBW replacement) announced
Post by: Adrian23 on August 09, 2016, 01:56:50 AM
Wow left in 0 in new MBYW and its now showing correct pressure and also removed the offset I had in meteobridge and put in 0 and its also now showing correct pressure. :roll:
Title: Re: myAcurite (the MBW replacement) announced
Post by: KK7X on August 09, 2016, 08:12:32 AM
Will my Meteobridge still work after the myAcurite update or should I wait?

Dennis
Title: Re: myAcurite (the MBW replacement) announced
Post by: nincehelser on August 09, 2016, 08:50:05 AM
Wow left in 0 in new MBYW and its now showing correct pressure and also removed the offset I had in meteobridge and put in 0 and its also now showing correct pressure. :roll:

The offset should only be in one place.  If it is in two, there will definitely be problems.
Title: Re: myAcurite (the MBW replacement) announced
Post by: haroldashe on August 09, 2016, 03:15:23 PM
Adrian, you can add a pressure correction via Meteobridge for Weather Underground and CWOP.  You might have to play around with the number to get exactly what you want, but it does work.
Title: Re: myAcurite (the MBW replacement) announced
Post by: murat on August 10, 2016, 12:14:57 PM
I still did not get an migration invitation :-(
Title: Re: myAcurite (the MBW replacement) announced
Post by: nincehelser on August 10, 2016, 12:26:41 PM
I still did not get an migration invitation :-(

They're being sent out through September at random.
Title: Re: myAcurite (the MBW replacement) announced
Post by: docbee on August 10, 2016, 05:59:03 PM
Will my Meteobridge still work after the myAcurite update or should I wait?

Dennis

yes, I adapted the code. Any version from August on will support it.
Title: Re: myAcurite (the MBW replacement) announced
Post by: KK7X on August 10, 2016, 06:25:21 PM
Thank you very much  :grin:
Title: Re: myAcurite (the MBW replacement) announced
Post by: murat on August 11, 2016, 04:24:59 AM

I still did not get an migration invitation :-(

They're being sent out through September at random.
. Thank you. guess do  have to wait,  another no option
Title: Re: myAcurite (the MBW replacement) announced
Post by: skysummit on August 11, 2016, 10:45:33 PM

I still did not get an migration invitation :-(

They're being sent out through September at random.
. Thank you. guess do  have to wait,  another no option

The yellow banner on MBW says everyone will be upgraded by 9/30.
Title: Re: myAcurite (the MBW replacement) announced
Post by: daman on August 12, 2016, 08:04:42 PM
yup and my email starts with a "x" so ill probably be one of the last  :-(
Title: Re: myAcurite (the MBW replacement) announced
Post by: tandy1000 on August 12, 2016, 09:59:15 PM
yup and my email starts with a "x" so ill probably be one of the last  :-(

You might be better off for the moment. Some folks (including me) have bridges that aren't communicating with My Acurite any more. (and even my local packet capture isn't working, as the http requests are garbled) I've missed recording some good data with the crazy rain and heat we've had around here in the last few days.  :sad:  Hopefully it's a reasonably quick fix.
Title: Re: myAcurite (the MBW replacement) announced
Post by: nincehelser on August 12, 2016, 10:34:35 PM
You might be better off for the moment. Some folks (including me) have bridges that aren't communicating with My Acurite any more. (and even my local packet capture isn't working, as the http requests are garbled) I've missed recording some good data with the crazy rain and heat we've had around here in the last few days.  :sad:  Hopefully it's a reasonably quick fix.

They are going to be working Saturday morning again, but at least it sounds like they're picking up momentum.

I'm not sure what the root cause of their problems were this week.  Something odd did seem to happen on the server side one evening that triggered goofy behavior in some SmartHUBs.  One of mine went off-line for about and hour and a half in the early morning, but came back up on its own with no problems.  It acted like it was re-loading firmware, but the app revision number didn't change.  My other bridges seemed unaffected.
Title: Re: myAcurite (the MBW replacement) announced
Post by: daman on August 13, 2016, 09:26:02 AM
yup and my email starts with a "x" so ill probably be one of the last  :-(

You might be better off for the moment. Some folks (including me) have bridges that aren't communicating with My Acurite any more. (and even my local packet capture isn't working, as the http requests are garbled) I've missed recording some good data with the crazy rain and heat we've had around here in the last few days.  :sad:  Hopefully it's a reasonably quick fix.
Oh im sure there's going to be growing pains for some time yet.
Title: Re: myAcurite (the MBW replacement) announced
Post by: thomas on August 13, 2016, 04:40:35 PM
My hub went offline Friday and still has not returned.
Title: Re: myAcurite (the MBW replacement) announced
Post by: thomas on August 15, 2016, 02:45:50 PM
They sent me an email today to send the hub back for testing ( out of warranty)  Nothing wrong with the unit till they upgraded the firmware.  Can't say I am happy with this and the idea of spending money for their mistake.  I like the upgrade for the day I had it, but not sure I want to head down this road with all the hassles.
Title: Re: myAcurite (the MBW replacement) announced
Post by: tandy1000 on August 15, 2016, 06:04:50 PM
They sent me an email today to send the hub back for testing ( out of warranty)  Nothing wrong with the unit till they upgraded the firmware.  Can't say I am happy with this and the idea of spending money for their mistake.  I like the upgrade for the day I had it, but not sure I want to head down this road with all the hassles.

They are supposed to me emailing me as well, still waiting for it. So did they say to return the bridge for testing - and that's it?? I figure they'd at least try to apply the firmware and send it back to you..
Title: Re: myAcurite (the MBW replacement) announced
Post by: nincehelser on August 15, 2016, 06:22:54 PM
They are supposed to me emailing me as well, still waiting for it. So did they say to return the bridge for testing - and that's it?? I figure they'd at least try to apply the firmware and send it back to you..

I wouldn't read a whole lot into that.  It sounds like the typical "we don't know what's wrong, so send it back for testing" result on the debugging flowchart.

At a minimum I'd expect they'll re-flash or replace as needed.

On the other hand, if someone is claiming their cat keeps bursting into flames every since the upgrade, you've just got to get that device back in the lab for testing.  ;)

Title: Re: myAcurite (the MBW replacement) announced
Post by: W0CHP on August 17, 2016, 11:12:16 AM
I am currently using IPwx with the simulator.py for weewx. I assume the new smarthub FW upgrade will "break" IPwx?
Title: Re: myAcurite (the MBW replacement) announced
Post by: nincehelser on August 17, 2016, 11:33:38 AM
I am currently using IPwx with the simulator.py for weewx. I assume the new smarthub FW upgrade will "break" IPwx?

Yes.  I don't have any plans to update it as weewx now has support for Acurite gear.
Title: Re: myAcurite (the MBW replacement) announced
Post by: nincehelser on August 17, 2016, 01:29:42 PM
FYI - They just pushed app version 224 to my bridges.   This is supposed to fix some rain bugs.
Title: Re: myAcurite (the MBW replacement) announced
Post by: DoctorKnow on August 17, 2016, 01:57:13 PM
What does "GO" reStart do? It is in place of the "toggle" button on the old hub.
Title: Re: myAcurite (the MBW replacement) announced
Post by: nincehelser on August 17, 2016, 02:54:51 PM
What does "GO" reStart do? It is in place of the "toggle" button on the old hub.

I'd guess it restarts the SmartHUB like it says. 
Title: Re: myAcurite (the MBW replacement) announced
Post by: eas on August 18, 2016, 02:52:51 PM
Apologies if this has been mentioned, but any chance they added the simplest possible accommodation for people who want to get data from the bridge for their own purposes: A URL on the bridge that will report the last set of readings? I wondered why they didn't just include that data on the status page of the original firmware.

I know RAM can be tight on these little devices, but they could probably just reuse the buffer they built of data to send to their webservice.

It's great that the service is being updated, but I have a few years worth of data in WeeWx, and if I'm going to have to update the method I use to get the data, it'd be great if it doesn't have to be another hack.

Edit: Also, for anyone at AcuRite, the Learn More link at the top of this page https://www.acurite.com/learn/my-acurite links to this URL https://www.acurite.com/learn/learn/my-acurite/whats-new, which gives a 404 error4.
Title: Re: myAcurite (the MBW replacement) announced
Post by: nincehelser on August 18, 2016, 04:40:21 PM
Apologies if this has been mentioned, but any chance they added the simplest possible accommodation for people who want to get data from the bridge for their own purposes: A URL on the bridge that will report the last set of readings? I wondered why they didn't just include that data on the status page of the original firmware.

I know RAM can be tight on these little devices, but they could probably just reuse the buffer they built of data to send to their webservice.

It's great that the service is being updated, but I have a few years worth of data in WeeWx, and if I'm going to have to update the method I use to get the data, it'd be great if it doesn't have to be another hack.

Edit: Also, for anyone at AcuRite, the Learn More link at the top of this page https://www.acurite.com/learn/my-acurite links to this URL https://www.acurite.com/learn/learn/my-acurite/whats-new, which gives a 404 error4.

The web page is in the boot firmware which can't be field updated.

That partially explains why that web page isn't altered to provide the latest readings.
Title: Re: myAcurite (the MBW replacement) announced
Post by: eas on August 18, 2016, 09:51:12 PM
Ah, well, that answers why it's not on the status page.

Still no hope of the data being accessible via another URI endpoint either, I guess?
Title: Re: myAcurite (the MBW replacement) announced
Post by: nincehelser on August 18, 2016, 10:15:47 PM
Ah, well, that answers why it's not on the status page.

Still no hope of the data being accessible via another URI endpoint either, I guess?

That's something I can't confirm or deny.
Title: Re: myAcurite (the MBW replacement) announced
Post by: tandy1000 on August 18, 2016, 10:49:23 PM
These days I consider ourselves lucky in that the Acurite data is unencrypted and feasible to parse. I guess we're a niche audience. There's one end where folks just want something they can pick up at the home center and be up and running in 10 minutes. On the flip side there's companies/schools/etc willing to spend the $$$ on a Davis and get the official loggers vs the green-dot workarounds.

We're in the middle. I was ready to migrate to RTL-433 if the new firmware did something too crazy (other than brick my bridge  :-| ) but of course that would be broken to a certain extent. And I'm not quite ready to break out Audacity to try and decode the 433mhz signals myself.

I'm not giving up hope. Profit can be made in many ways. Much of it is the current trend - develop a shiny cloud solution and put it in a pretty box, and people will buy. Sure you're locked into their presentation format, data collection policies, etc. Not for me, certainly!

Maybe Acurite can make a turn towards the educational/research side of things. The fact that their sensors have unique IDs (not sure if they are absolutely unique like mac addresses) is huge. Hackaday would go nuts if Acurite somehow open-sourced their protocol.  But I think being able to sell WX stations and different sensors at a low-cost to schools - while letting people have easy, open access to the data - would be a boon to the study of weather.

And now if I could just get my bridge fixed/replaced..
Title: Re: myAcurite (the MBW replacement) announced
Post by: drew on August 20, 2016, 11:05:04 AM
I received my update on August 8th, and I am having issues with recording rain data. My display units are recording fine as always, but the maximum rainfall shown on MyAcurite is only 0.01" each day that it has rained. Last night I had a quick storm that dropped 0.37", but again only 0.01" is shown on the software.

I noticed a mention of a firmware upgrade that fixes some rain bugs. Is there any way to know when I have received this update?

I have attached two screenshots, showing the main screen with 0.0" showing on the rain, and then the rain graphs showing the multiple days with only 0.01" recorded, when it was actually much more.
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Title: Re: myAcurite (the MBW replacement) announced
Post by: nincehelser on August 20, 2016, 11:21:31 AM
Find the IP address assigned to your SmartHUB, then open a web browser to that address.

You'll see an application version number.  Version 224 released a few days ago seems to be fixing up most rain issues.

If you don't have version 224 yet, eventually it will update on its own.
Title: Re: myAcurite (the MBW replacement) announced
Post by: drew on August 20, 2016, 11:34:06 AM
Find the IP address assigned to your SmartHUB, then open a web browser to that address.

You'll see an application version number.  Version 224 released a few days ago seems to be fixing up most rain issues.

If you don't have version 224 yet, eventually it will update on its own.
Thank you! It looks like I am running version 224.
Title: Re: myAcurite (the MBW replacement) announced
Post by: eas on August 20, 2016, 03:01:45 PM
Ah, well, that answers why it's not on the status page.

Still no hope of the data being accessible via another URI endpoint either, I guess?

That's something I can't confirm or deny.
I guess I'll hold off on the update until I have more information, or no choice.

These days I consider ourselves lucky in that the Acurite data is unencrypted and feasible to parse. I guess we're a niche audience. There's one end where folks just want something they can pick up at the home center and be up and running in 10 minutes. On the flip side there's companies/schools/etc willing to spend the $$$ on a Davis and get the official loggers vs the green-dot workarounds.

We're in the middle. I was ready to migrate to RTL-433 if the new firmware did something too crazy (other than brick my bridge  :-| ) but of course that would be broken to a certain extent. And I'm not quite ready to break out Audacity to try and decode the 433mhz signals myself.

I'm not giving up hope. Profit can be made in many ways. Much of it is the current trend - develop a shiny cloud solution and put it in a pretty box, and people will buy. Sure you're locked into their presentation format, data collection policies, etc. Not for me, certainly!

Maybe Acurite can make a turn towards the educational/research side of things. The fact that their sensors have unique IDs (not sure if they are absolutely unique like mac addresses) is huge. Hackaday would go nuts if Acurite somehow open-sourced their protocol.  But I think being able to sell WX stations and different sensors at a low-cost to schools - while letting people have easy, open access to the data - would be a boon to the study of weather.

And now if I could just get my bridge fixed/replaced..

I realize that my use is "off-label," but I can still hope, and ask, for a small affordance. The odds may be remote, but they are probably even more remote if I wait for my mind to be read. If the network protocol is different, but still parseable, that'll be an annoyance, but better than having it encrypted.

I don't see much point in encrypting the weather data, but if they want to use the same protocol for security/safety sensors, or actuators, it will need, if not payload encryption, then some sort of signing for message authentication.

The over-air protocol used by Acurite has been mostly reverse-engineered already (which is why it can be decoded by SDR). They would surely get a bit of PR if they provided official documentation and let HAD know about it, but probably not enough to really get Chaney's attention in the first place.
Title: Re: myAcurite (the MBW replacement) announced
Post by: haroldashe on August 20, 2016, 03:20:43 PM
I have version 224, too, but the data sent to Weather Underground is not correct.  For some reason, the rain total for the day is cut off and begins "fresh" when the next shower starts on the same day.  The total shown in the "summary" section is apparently for the second rainfall batch only.

Title: Re: myAcurite (the MBW replacement) announced
Post by: nincehelser on August 20, 2016, 03:45:47 PM
That looks like a reset problem I was having, but has since gone away.

The bridge has no real-time clock that I am aware of.   Somehow they need to track time and reset at midnight, but something else seems to cause it to reset for some.  Maybe a bad signal from the server? 
Title: Re: myAcurite (the MBW replacement) announced
Post by: docbee on August 21, 2016, 01:07:51 PM
Find the IP address assigned to your SmartHUB, then open a web browser to that address.

You'll see an application version number.  Version 224 released a few days ago seems to be fixing up most rain issues.

That is interesting, so the Aculink is capable to send out some HTTP to the LAN when requested. Having that it will be very easy for Acurite to also provide current sensor data on request. May be in an nice human readable format or even better in some XML or JSON. From a technical point of view that will be peanuts to do.

I did send the "Larry from Acurite" mentioned in this thread a PM a few weeks ago where I asked for adding this feature. I never got a reply. Is here someone in the forum having a working relationship with Acurite who might also suggest to provide the feature mentioned above which will make reading data out of the link much more convenient and less troublesome as it is right now?

Any idea how to campaign for this is welcome. I really dislike the inevitable current traffic sniffing (or DNS redirecting) approach.
Title: Re: myAcurite (the MBW replacement) announced
Post by: vreihen on August 21, 2016, 02:53:50 PM
That is interesting, so the Aculink is capable to send out some HTTP to the LAN when requested. Having that it will be very easy for Acurite to also provide current sensor data on request. May be in an nice human readable format or even better in some XML or JSON. From a technical point of view that will be peanuts to do.

In a post a few days ago, George (nincehelser) stated that the lightweight web server was part of the boot firmware and not the application stack.  Their remote firmware update function will not update the boot firmware, so it is essentially a dead end.

If they could do the Davis trick where it listened on a TCP port and output the data, that would save having to include another web server and expose the data.....
Title: Re: myAcurite (the MBW replacement) announced
Post by: docbee on August 21, 2016, 03:03:22 PM
In a post a few days ago, George (nincehelser) stated that the lightweight web server was part of the boot firmware and not the application stack.  Their remote firmware update function will not update the boot firmware, so it is essentially a dead end.

Thanks for helping me out on this, as you mention it I also start to remember. Looks like I was too enthusiastic on this. May be they don't have the capacity in the flashable part to implement another tcpip socket server that can react on data requests from the LAN. Doing so is not much code in C but it might need storage hungry additional libs etc. What a pitty, so the Aculink will presumably stay "a somehow complicated to connect to" device for 3rd party solutions.
Title: Re: myAcurite (the MBW replacement) announced
Post by: vreihen on August 21, 2016, 06:14:17 PM
What a pitty, so the Aculink will presumably stay "a somehow complicated to connect to" device for 3rd party solutions.

One could say the same for Davis, and I have a $250 receipt from them for docs on their proprietary RS-232 API specs back in the early 1990's.

With the exception of the barometer (only in the consoles and bridge/smartHUB), rtl_433 appears to have figured out how to grab/decode the various Acu-rite sensors off of the air using a sub-$20 USB software-defined radio (SDR) dongle.  Don't know if the home routers have enough CPU power and free resources to run an SDR and associated libraries, but a Raspberry Pi does.  My Pi B+ is running dump1090 with an SDR to feed overhead aircraft transponders to the web.....
Title: Re: myAcurite (the MBW replacement) announced
Post by: tandy1000 on August 21, 2016, 06:28:18 PM
It would be amazing if they'd release the 433mhz specifications such that RTL-433 could easily maintain the decoder for new sensors. I can see a company like Adafruit making an RTL-SDR package for the Pi alongside an easy to use Acurite library.. Ah, dreams are nice to have.
Title: Re: myAcurite (the MBW replacement) announced
Post by: skysummit on August 21, 2016, 07:49:07 PM
Here I am waiting on Kevin's bridge update :)

Hopefully all the bugs are worked out by the time he releases it because man I hate bugs.
Title: Re: myAcurite (the MBW replacement) announced
Post by: DoctorKnow on August 22, 2016, 07:32:17 PM
What I would like is to be able to push my bridge to a program like Cumulus. I really like the way it works, but would rather not have to leave a PC on for it to run. I was hoping MBYW would have the same kind of features to push data out. I don't care for the way the wind speed works with no average and gust data. This is my complaint about Meteobridge as well. I want to be able to control the wind readout.
Title: Re: myAcurite (the MBW replacement) announced
Post by: daman on August 22, 2016, 08:16:10 PM
What I would like is to be able to push my bridge to a program like Cumulus. I really like the way it works, but would rather not have to leave a PC on for it to run. I was hoping MBYW would have the same kind of features to push data out. I don't care for the way the wind speed works with no average and gust data. This is my complaint about Meteobridge as well. I want to be able to control the wind readout.
So this new myAcurite setup doesn't show gusts still?  :x  heck my old cheap Lacrosse did gusts
Title: Re: myAcurite (the MBW replacement) announced
Post by: nincehelser on August 22, 2016, 08:21:18 PM
What I would like is to be able to push my bridge to a program like Cumulus. I really like the way it works, but would rather not have to leave a PC on for it to run. I was hoping MBYW would have the same kind of features to push data out. I don't care for the way the wind speed works with no average and gust data. This is my complaint about Meteobridge as well. I want to be able to control the wind readout.
So this new myAcurite setup doesn't show gusts still?  :x  heck my old cheap Lacrosse did gusts

It does, but I think the current definition they are using is too strict.  For example, the reading has to be at least 18mph before they will even consider it for "gust" status.  Then it has to jump through some other definition hoops. 

To my knowledge, the jury is still out on that decision.  I'm hoping they loosen it up a bit.
Title: Re: myAcurite (the MBW replacement) announced
Post by: CW2274 on August 22, 2016, 08:42:44 PM
What I would like is to be able to push my bridge to a program like Cumulus. I really like the way it works, but would rather not have to leave a PC on for it to run. I was hoping MBYW would have the same kind of features to push data out. I don't care for the way the wind speed works with no average and gust data. This is my complaint about Meteobridge as well. I want to be able to control the wind readout.
So this new myAcurite setup doesn't show gusts still?  :x  heck my old cheap Lacrosse did gusts
the reading has to be at least 18mph before they will even consider it for "gust" status. 
That is NWS standard.
Title: Re: myAcurite (the MBW replacement) announced
Post by: nincehelser on August 22, 2016, 08:48:33 PM
That is NWS standard.

Yes, but that's a hard sell to the novices on wunderground.
Title: Re: myAcurite (the MBW replacement) announced
Post by: DoctorKnow on August 22, 2016, 08:58:14 PM
What I would like is to be able to push my bridge to a program like Cumulus. I really like the way it works, but would rather not have to leave a PC on for it to run. I was hoping MBYW would have the same kind of features to push data out. I don't care for the way the wind speed works with no average and gust data. This is my complaint about Meteobridge as well. I want to be able to control the wind readout.
So this new myAcurite setup doesn't show gusts still?  :x  heck my old cheap Lacrosse did gusts
the reading has to be at least 18mph before they will even consider it for "gust" status. 
That is NWS standard.

Then why are we sending gusts to CWOP at readings less than 18? A lot of times I send a big zero for wind speed with gusts of 1 MPH! I like the averaging option to Wunderground for wind speed myself.
Title: Re: myAcurite (the MBW replacement) announced
Post by: nincehelser on August 22, 2016, 09:34:25 PM
What I would like is to be able to push my bridge to a program like Cumulus. I really like the way it works, but would rather not have to leave a PC on for it to run. I was hoping MBYW would have the same kind of features to push data out. I don't care for the way the wind speed works with no average and gust data. This is my complaint about Meteobridge as well. I want to be able to control the wind readout.
So this new myAcurite setup doesn't show gusts still?  :x  heck my old cheap Lacrosse did gusts
the reading has to be at least 18mph before they will even consider it for "gust" status. 
That is NWS standard.

Then why are we sending gusts to CWOP at readings less than 18? A lot of times I send a big zero for wind speed with gusts of 1 MPH! I like the averaging option to Wunderground for wind speed myself.

Good question.

Here is the definition myAcurite is currently using:

Quote
Wind Gust
A sudden, brief increase in the speed of the wind followed by a lull. Gusts are reported when the peak speed reaches at least 18 mph (30 km/h) and the variation in wind speed between peaks and lulls is at least about 10 mph (17 km/h).
Title: Re: myAcurite (the MBW replacement) announced
Post by: CW2274 on August 22, 2016, 09:56:11 PM
What I would like is to be able to push my bridge to a program like Cumulus. I really like the way it works, but would rather not have to leave a PC on for it to run. I was hoping MBYW would have the same kind of features to push data out. I don't care for the way the wind speed works with no average and gust data. This is my complaint about Meteobridge as well. I want to be able to control the wind readout.
So this new myAcurite setup doesn't show gusts still?  :x  heck my old cheap Lacrosse did gusts
the reading has to be at least 18mph before they will even consider it for "gust" status. 
That is NWS standard.

Then why are we sending gusts to CWOP at readings less than 18? A lot of times I send a big zero for wind speed with gusts of 1 MPH! I like the averaging option to Wunderground for wind speed myself.
Even RAWS sites which are run by the feds, display wind exactly the same way as our PWS do. Only ASOS's show wind as it should be, and this has always bugged me. I can only assume different software extrapolation.
Title: Re: myAcurite (the MBW replacement) announced
Post by: haroldashe on August 22, 2016, 11:48:09 PM
Using the official NWS definition, I've never had a gust...well, maybe one in the past 4 years when I had my all-time high wind speed of 27mph.
Title: Re: myAcurite (the MBW replacement) announced
Post by: CW2274 on August 23, 2016, 12:11:13 AM
Using the official NWS definition, I've never had a gust...well, maybe one in the past 4 years when I had my all-time high wind speed of 27mph.
What, ya live in a cave?
Title: Re: myAcurite (the MBW replacement) announced
Post by: haroldashe on August 23, 2016, 12:58:16 AM
Yeah, I know it seems that way, but we just don't get much wind.  That's good, actually, 'cause I live on a golf course and I have enough trouble without having to factor that into my so-called "game."
Title: Re: myAcurite (the MBW replacement) announced
Post by: CW2274 on August 23, 2016, 01:55:26 AM
Wind, without a doubt, is my least favorite common wx event.
Title: Re: myAcurite (the MBW replacement) announced
Post by: vreihen on August 24, 2016, 03:06:05 PM
My invitation came in today.  Let's see how many reminders they will send out if I don't upgrade.....  :lol:
Title: Re: myAcurite (the MBW replacement) announced
Post by: skysummit on August 24, 2016, 03:07:00 PM
My invitation came in today.  Let's see how many reminders they will send out if I don't upgrade.....  :lol:

I've been having mine for about a month now I believe.  Haven't gotten any reminders though.
Title: Re: myAcurite (the MBW replacement) announced
Post by: docbee on August 24, 2016, 05:26:53 PM
I just wanted to share a snippet of URL parameters coming from a new outdoor sensor with soil temperature probe (link: https://www.acurite.com/monitor-with-liquid-soil-temperature-sensor-00275ls)

Code: [Select]
&id=24C86E010DC5&mt=ProOut&sensor=00004102&humidity=50&tempf=77.5&probe=2&check=0&ptempf=79.8&baromin=28.94&battery=normal&rssi=4
Looks like "tempf" and "humidity" are the regular temp/hum data of the sensor and "ptempf" is temperature of the connected soil probe. "check" and "probe" might be related to an optional water detector sensor some of the new sensor types seem to offer, but this is just guessing.

I hope sharing this will help other 3rd party developers to handle these new sensors.
Title: Re: myAcurite (the MBW replacement) announced
Post by: meadowsland on August 25, 2016, 03:30:27 PM
My invitation came in today.  Let's see how many reminders they will send out if I don't upgrade.....  :lol:

I've been having mine for about a month now I believe.  Haven't gotten any reminders though.

I promise we will get to the reminders soon :-). However, we understand some of you are waiting. We will retire the the existing Aculink system by the end of September, so look for added invitations and reminders to begin in the next week or so.
Title: Re: myAcurite (the MBW replacement) announced
Post by: drew on August 25, 2016, 03:40:04 PM
I have been having issues with myacurite since yesterday. It is currently 2:35pm local time, and the data on myacurite is updating... but is delayed by several hours. The graph below the temperature is showing 8am now. The charts and details screen is showing the last data point at 8:50am.

The data updates every minute when manually refreshing, but is still several hours old.

Even more strange, the data being sent to wunderground is correct and current.

I rebooted the bridge last night but that did not resolve this issue.

Any ideas?

Sent from my SM-G930T using Tapatalk

Title: Re: myAcurite (the MBW replacement) announced
Post by: nincehelser on August 25, 2016, 04:01:09 PM
I have been having issues with myacurite since yesterday. It is currently 2:35pm local time, and the data on myacurite is updating... but is delayed by several hours. The graph below the temperature is showing 8am now. The charts and details screen is showing the last data point at 8:50am.

The data updates every minute when manually refreshing, but is still several hours old.

Even more strange, the data being sent to wunderground is correct and current.

I rebooted the bridge last night but that did not resolve this issue.

Any ideas?

Sent from my SM-G930T using Tapatalk

I'm not seeing a problem, but from your description I'd guess one of the back-end systems creating the web page for your account might be confused about what time it is.

I doubt the problem is on your end, and I bet your data is getting through, it's just not being displayed properly.

Maybe if you log out and log back in you'll be served by a different system without the problem.

Otherwise, I'd just sit tight.
Title: Re: myAcurite (the MBW replacement) announced
Post by: joegr on August 25, 2016, 05:02:05 PM
I have been having issues with myacurite since yesterday. It is currently 2:35pm local time, and the data on myacurite is updating... but is delayed by several hours. The graph below the temperature is showing 8am now. The charts and details screen is showing the last data point at 8:50am....

Mine is doing the same.  I see others on Acurite's forum with the same or similar issue.
Title: Re: myAcurite (the MBW replacement) announced
Post by: haroldashe on August 25, 2016, 06:19:47 PM
Add me to the list.
Title: Re: myAcurite (the MBW replacement) announced
Post by: vreihen on August 26, 2016, 03:43:09 AM
I promise we will get to the reminders soon :-). However, we understand some of you are waiting. We will retire the the existing Aculink system by the end of September, so look for added invitations and reminders to begin in the next week or so.

I'll give you a half-eaten bologna sandwich and a used NYC Subway MetroCard for the acu-link.com domain name, so that I can put a dumb "OK" service on it that will let people who don't upgrade keep on using their bridges in packet-scraping mode.....
Title: Re: myAcurite (the MBW replacement) announced
Post by: nincehelser on August 26, 2016, 03:21:15 PM
Add me to the list.

I started seeing the problem this morning, being 2 hours off.

However, I'm now down to just a few minutes off if not current on the production system.

Guessing from the info on the bottom of the web page, the last build was Tuesday.  It looks like some started noticing issues on Wednesday and it grew large on Thursday.

From that I'm guessing a bug was introduced in the Tuesday build, and now it looks like they're getting things back under control.
Title: Re: myAcurite (the MBW replacement) announced
Post by: haroldashe on August 27, 2016, 12:55:27 AM
Just checked...I think I am back up to speed now. 
Title: Re: myAcurite (the MBW replacement) announced
Post by: kevink619 on August 31, 2016, 02:37:28 AM
I'm working on updating my app, the the new data is coming through in multiple lines:

&id=24C86zzzzzz6&mt=5N1x31&sensor=00001050
&rainin=0.00&dailyrainin=0.00&humidity=74&tempf=67.5&dewptf=58
&baromin=28.69&battery=low&rssi=3

This seems odd. Before the data string was all on one line.

Kevin
Title: Re: myAcurite (the MBW replacement) announced
Post by: kevink619 on August 31, 2016, 02:38:33 AM
I just wanted to share a snippet of URL parameters coming from a new outdoor sensor with soil temperature probe (link: https://www.acurite.com/monitor-with-liquid-soil-temperature-sensor-00275ls)

Code: [Select]
&id=24C86E010DC5&mt=ProOut&sensor=00004102&humidity=50&tempf=77.5&probe=2&check=0&ptempf=79.8&baromin=28.94&battery=normal&rssi=4
Looks like "tempf" and "humidity" are the regular temp/hum data of the sensor and "ptempf" is temperature of the connected soil probe. "check" and "probe" might be related to an optional water detector sensor some of the new sensor types seem to offer, but this is just guessing.

I hope sharing this will help other 3rd party developers to handle these new sensors.

Mine is appearing in multiple lines:

I'm working on updating my app, the the new data is coming through in multiple lines:

&id=24C86zzzzzz6&mt=5N1x31&sensor=00001050
&rainin=0.00&dailyrainin=0.00&humidity=74&tempf=67.5&dewptf=58
&baromin=28.69&battery=low&rssi=3

It didn't look like this with the old firmware.
Title: Re: myAcurite (the MBW replacement) announced
Post by: tandy1000 on August 31, 2016, 06:33:03 AM
I'm working on updating my app, the the new data is coming through in multiple lines:

&id=24C86zzzzzz6&mt=5N1x31&sensor=00001050
&rainin=0.00&dailyrainin=0.00&humidity=74&tempf=67.5&dewptf=58
&baromin=28.69&battery=low&rssi=3

This seems odd. Before the data string was all on one line.

Kevin

That's what mine looked like before the bridge went kaput. When I did a capture in dumpcap and viewed it in Wireshark, there were odd characters after the different metrics which seemed to force a line feed. Once it stopped working (not communicating with Acurite) the temp and humidity were sending as completely bogus values.

Acurite should be receiving my bridge today, hopefully they fix it quickly!
Title: Re: myAcurite (the MBW replacement) announced
Post by: nincehelser on August 31, 2016, 09:20:26 AM
I'm working on updating my app, the the new data is coming through in multiple lines:

&id=24C86zzzzzz6&mt=5N1x31&sensor=00001050
&rainin=0.00&dailyrainin=0.00&humidity=74&tempf=67.5&dewptf=58
&baromin=28.69&battery=low&rssi=3

This seems odd. Before the data string was all on one line.

Kevin

Looks like it's just formatting.  Just parse the http parameters and you'll be fine.
Title: Re: myAcurite (the MBW replacement) announced
Post by: kevink619 on August 31, 2016, 03:43:11 PM
I'm working on updating my app, the the new data is coming through in multiple lines:

&id=24C86zzzzzz6&mt=5N1x31&sensor=00001050
&rainin=0.00&dailyrainin=0.00&humidity=74&tempf=67.5&dewptf=58
&baromin=28.69&battery=low&rssi=3

This seems odd. Before the data string was all on one line.

Kevin

Looks like it's just formatting.  Just parse the http parameters and you'll be fine.

Yeah. I stayed up late last night and added a loop to concatenate the output onto a single string. I've updated my app and am currently testing it out with the new firmware. I have a few more bugs to fix and then I'll make it available for download.

Kevin
Title: Re: myAcurite (the MBW replacement) announced
Post by: Jack Bowman on August 31, 2016, 05:46:40 PM
Awesome! Thanks Kevin!
Title: Re: myAcurite (the MBW replacement) announced
Post by: SmittythePirate on September 03, 2016, 05:17:59 PM
How long did it take for everybody's bridge to update?  Mine hasn't done anything and it has been a little over an hour so far...

Answered my own question, nearly an hour and a half to update. 

Title: Re: myAcurite (the MBW replacement) announced
Post by: nincehelser on September 03, 2016, 07:02:21 PM
How long did it take for everybody's bridge to update?  Mine hasn't done anything and it has been a little over an hour so far...

Answered my own question, nearly an hour and a half to update.

The last time I noticed one of mine update to 224, it took about an hour.

The way I understand it, the update has to be written line-by-line due to RAM limitations.  I guess it reads a bit, writes, verifies, then reads a bit more, etc.  That, plus the size of this update probably leads to longer-than-normal load times.  After the migration, hopefully the updates will be smaller and thus faster
Title: Re: myAcurite (the MBW replacement) announced
Post by: DoctorKnow on September 03, 2016, 07:44:32 PM
It is still buggy. My dewpoint line looks terrible. It looks flat while my temp line looks rocky. I get blank spaces in data too. This is on Wunderground. With the bridge sending data directly to Wunderground, this doesn't make sense. My internet has not had an issue.
Title: Re: myAcurite (the MBW replacement) announced
Post by: haroldashe on September 03, 2016, 08:18:21 PM
Are you using your Meteobridge?  I am with one of my bridges and it hasn't missed a beat.  The other one is showing 6 interruptions so far today.  None of those were long, but still...
Title: Re: myAcurite (the MBW replacement) announced
Post by: nincehelser on September 03, 2016, 08:27:17 PM
Are you using your Meteobridge?  I am with one of my bridges and it hasn't missed a beat.  The other one is showing 6 interruptions so far today.  None of those were long, but still...

I've got a feeling those aren't interruptions, but rather garbled data in the http string.  I've no idea why it's showing up for some and not others.
Title: Re: myAcurite (the MBW replacement) announced
Post by: DoctorKnow on September 03, 2016, 10:17:25 PM
Are you using your Meteobridge?  I am with one of my bridges and it hasn't missed a beat.  The other one is showing 6 interruptions so far today.  None of those were long, but still...
I am using the Meteobridge with the Oregon WMR100. The acurite bridge feeds Wunderground only. I am at times using Cumulus with the Oregon, and have tried changing over the Meteobridge to the acurite, but you run into problems with that real fast. You have to change to wireless, and change the station at just the right time, and pressure especially goes nuts, so for now I am sticking to the Oregon. I may try again with the Kevin Key software, and if that doesn't work, I may go Cumulus full time, but that would mean the PC would need to be on all the time, since there is no data logger in the Oregon console.
Title: Re: myAcurite (the MBW replacement) announced
Post by: kevink619 on September 09, 2016, 01:11:43 PM
Hmmmm....

Does anyone know whether Acu-Rite has quietly pushed out another update to the latest firmware update?

I've been testing a new (soon-to-be-release) version of my app against the My AcuRite and it was working mostly smoothly until yesterday evening. Now it seems that the output may have changed?

I need to work my day job until the eventing, but will do some more debugging later on...
Title: Re: myAcurite (the MBW replacement) announced
Post by: Inverno on September 09, 2016, 01:15:00 PM
September 9th, and no email yet about my firmware update.
Title: Re: myAcurite (the MBW replacement) announced
Post by: joegr on September 09, 2016, 01:21:15 PM
September 9th, and no email yet about my firmware update.

Good, maybe they are waiting till they have a fix for the bug(s) in the current new firmware.
Title: Re: myAcurite (the MBW replacement) announced
Post by: nincehelser on September 09, 2016, 02:24:05 PM
Hmmmm....

Does anyone know whether Acu-Rite has quietly pushed out another update to the latest firmware update?


We've been on 224 for several weeks now.

I've no idea when the next one will be, but I doubt it will change anything regarding the protocol going to the myAcurite servers.
Title: Re: myAcurite (the MBW replacement) announced
Post by: nincehelser on September 09, 2016, 02:34:53 PM
September 9th, and no email yet about my firmware update.

Good, maybe they are waiting till they have a fix for the bug(s) in the current new firmware.

Huh?  No.  There's no waiting go on.  They're trying to maintain the schedule.

Just my guess, but I think they want to get through the "migration" before pushing out another firmware update.  There's no reason they couldn't (they've already done one early on), but it's probably simpler if they don't.
Title: Re: myAcurite (the MBW replacement) announced
Post by: tandy1000 on September 09, 2016, 03:33:13 PM
Hmmmm....

Does anyone know whether Acu-Rite has quietly pushed out another update to the latest firmware update?

I've been testing a new (soon-to-be-release) version of my app against the My AcuRite and it was working mostly smoothly until yesterday evening. Now it seems that the output may have changed?

I need to work my day job until the eventing, but will do some more debugging later on...

Kevin

I'd be curious to see a packet capture. I mentioned before mine went from an OK installation, but the tcpdump output was broken across several lines as yours was. Eventually it stopped communicating with Acurite, and a closer inspection showed the values (but not the fields) to be corrupt. This (apart from edited id=) is what a couple of packets looked like on mine:

GET /weatherstation/updateweatherstation?dateutc=now&action=updateraw&realtime=1&id=changedtosecret&mt=tower&sensor=00000091&humidity=4\207&tempf=9\3253.3&baromin=6\202.38&battery=normal&rssi=3 HTTP/1.1\r\n

GET /weatherstation/updateweatherstation?dateutc=now&action=updateraw&realtime=1&id=changedtosecret&mt=ProIn&sensor=00004613&indoorhumidity=5�&indoortempf=9�0.7&baromin=6�.38&battery=normal&rssi=3

(in the second example the question marks are getting escaped, but text in Wireshark shows them as "5\357\277\275" etc) Either way the data is invalid, my bridge remains at Acurite for its spa getaway.
Title: Re: myAcurite (the MBW replacement) announced
Post by: nincehelser on September 09, 2016, 04:02:02 PM
I'd be curious to see a packet capture. I mentioned before mine went from an OK installation, but the tcpdump output was broken across several lines as yours was. Eventually it stopped communicating with Acurite, and a closer inspection showed the values (but not the fields) to be corrupt. This (apart from edited id=) is what a couple of packets looked like on mine:

GET /weatherstation/updateweatherstation?dateutc=now&action=updateraw&realtime=1&id=changedtosecret&mt=tower&sensor=00000091&humidity=4\207&tempf=9\3253.3&baromin=6\202.38&battery=normal&rssi=3 HTTP/1.1\r\n

GET /weatherstation/updateweatherstation?dateutc=now&action=updateraw&realtime=1&id=changedtosecret&mt=ProIn&sensor=00004613&indoorhumidity=5�&indoortempf=9�0.7&baromin=6�.38&battery=normal&rssi=3

(in the second example the question marks are getting escaped, but text in Wireshark shows them as "5\357\277\275" etc) Either way the data is invalid, my bridge remains at Acurite for its spa getaway.

Mine is clean.  The line breaks are simply a matter of formatting.  I find using tcpflow gives nice looking results.  It still breaks up the lines on the console readout, but what gets written to the file looks like this:

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GET /weatherstation/updateweatherstation?dateutc=now&action=updateraw&realtime=1&id=24C86Exxxxxx&mt=5N1x38&sensor=00001398&windspeedmph=3&humidity=76&tempf=82.6&baromin=28.97&battery=normal&rssi=1 HTTP/1.1
Host: hubapi.myacurite.com
User-Agent: Hub/224
Connection: close
Title: Re: myAcurite (the MBW replacement) announced
Post by: daman on September 09, 2016, 07:20:35 PM
September 9th, and no email yet about my firmware update.
Yup same here still nothing!
Title: Re: myAcurite (the MBW replacement) announced
Post by: SteveFitz1 on September 09, 2016, 08:10:17 PM
A friend of mine just got his email Wednesday. He did the upgrade last evening. One thing to be aware of: while the instructions say it may take up to 30 minutes for the firmware to get updated, his took almost 12 hours. Fortunately, I had checked the Acu-Rite forum first and read that many users had experienced "overnight" upgrades. So I told my friend to just leave it alone until this morning and see how it was. When he checked, it had completed successfully about 5:30AM and everything is now reporting correctly again.
Title: Re: myAcurite (the MBW replacement) announced
Post by: daman on September 09, 2016, 08:16:32 PM
A friend of mine just got his email Wednesday. He did the upgrade last evening. One thing to be aware of: while the instructions say it may take up to 30 minutes for the firmware to get updated, his took almost 12 hours. Fortunately, I had checked the Acu-Rite forum first and read that many users had experienced "overnight" upgrades. So I told my friend to just leave it alone until this morning and see how it was. When he checked, it had completed successfully about 5:30AM and everything is now reporting correctly again.
Thanks UU

Probably internet speed plays a big factor.
Title: Re: myAcurite (the MBW replacement) announced
Post by: SteveFitz1 on September 09, 2016, 08:20:28 PM
Thanks UU

Probably internet speed plays a big factor.

That is possible, but my friend does have 50Mbps down.
Title: Re: myAcurite (the MBW replacement) announced
Post by: nincehelser on September 09, 2016, 08:30:16 PM
Probably internet speed plays a big factor.

It's not an internet speed issue.  The bridge doesn't have much memory, so it has to be loaded in small pieces at a time.  That's probably causing a lot of back-and-forth transactions causing the servers to get bogged down as the load increases.  It's also a relatively large update compared to previous ones, which doesn't help.

It's kind of like how copying one large computer file is a lot faster than a copying a bunch of tiny ones.
Title: Re: myAcurite (the MBW replacement) announced
Post by: daman on September 09, 2016, 08:30:26 PM
Thanks UU

Probably internet speed plays a big factor.

That is possible, but my friend does have 50Mbps down.
lol that shouldn't be a problem then.
Title: Re: myAcurite (the MBW replacement) announced
Post by: daman on September 09, 2016, 08:31:19 PM
Probably internet speed plays a big factor.
It's not an internet speed issue.  The bridge doesn't have much memory, so it has to be loaded in small pieces at a time.  That's probably causing a lot of back-and-forth transactions causing the servers to get bogged down as the load increases.  It's also a relatively large update compared to previous ones, which doesn't help.


It's kind of like how copying one large computer file is a lot faster than a copying a bunch of tiny ones.
Makes since..
Title: Re: myAcurite (the MBW replacement) announced
Post by: kevink619 on September 11, 2016, 01:44:08 AM
My Bridge Acu-Rite bridge reader software has been updated to support the new My AcuRite smartHUB firmware!

Latest version is 2016.09.10.2225 and includes the following changes:


NOTE: This version (and any future version) will only work with the latest firmware. Older versions are still available for those that haven't upgraded yet.

An update to my website scraper app will come later.

http://kevin-key.blogspot.ca/2014/09/new-version-is-now-available-for.html

Title: Re: myAcurite (the MBW replacement) announced
Post by: skysummit on September 11, 2016, 02:19:16 AM
Thank You Kevin!  Christmas has come early!
Title: Re: myAcurite (the MBW replacement) announced
Post by: kevink619 on September 11, 2016, 02:22:38 AM
You're welcome. Enjoy!  :-)
Title: Re: myAcurite (the MBW replacement) announced
Post by: skysummit on September 11, 2016, 03:01:19 AM
I just updated my bridge...went a LOT faster than what I was thinking.  Roughly 21 minutes.  Now about to update the bridge reader.
Title: Re: myAcurite (the MBW replacement) announced
Post by: kevink619 on September 11, 2016, 03:27:24 AM
I just updated my bridge...went a LOT faster than what I was thinking.  Roughly 21 minutes.  Now about to update the bridge reader.

Cool. Let me know how it goes.

Title: Re: myAcurite (the MBW replacement) announced
Post by: skysummit on September 11, 2016, 03:42:31 AM
I just updated my bridge...went a LOT faster than what I was thinking.  Roughly 21 minutes.  Now about to update the bridge reader.

Cool. Let me know how it goes.

Pretty sure I'm complete!  I compared all my before and after settings, situated them correctly and then went through MyAcurite and compared it to my CWOP, Wunderground and console modifying adjustments accordingly.  Right now everything matches up 100%.  If that's it, that was was much easier than what I was expecting. I'll be able to tell tomorrow when temps rise to see how everything is updating.

But yea...as for as the bridge reader, working flawlessly right now :)

Title: Re: myAcurite (the MBW replacement) announced
Post by: kevink619 on September 11, 2016, 03:45:45 AM
I just updated my bridge...went a LOT faster than what I was thinking.  Roughly 21 minutes.  Now about to update the bridge reader.

Cool. Let me know how it goes.

Pretty sure I'm complete!  I compared all my before and after settings, situated them correctly and then went through MyAcurite and compared it to my CWOP, Wunderground and console modifying adjustments accordingly.  Right now everything matches up 100%.  If that's it, that was was much easier than what I was expecting. I'll be able to tell tomorrow when temps rise to see how everything is updating.

But yea...as for as the bridge reader, working flawlessly right now :)

Nice. Good to hear.
Title: Re: myAcurite (the MBW replacement) announced
Post by: skysummit on September 11, 2016, 04:39:39 AM
Kevin, the only thing I've noticed is that even after my CWOP info is entered, and it's uploading successfully, at the top next to "CWOP:", it does not show my ID like it does next to Wunderground, PWS Weather, etc.
Title: Re: myAcurite (the MBW replacement) announced
Post by: kevink619 on September 11, 2016, 02:49:09 PM
Kevin, the only thing I've noticed is that even after my CWOP info is entered, and it's uploading successfully, at the top next to "CWOP:", it does not show my ID like it does next to Wunderground, PWS Weather, etc.

If you exit the app and relaunch it, you should see your CWOP and other info appear on the main screen. Not great, but I'm going to work on fixing that bug now - I'll have it refresh the main screen when you save the settings - rather than just at the time the application is started. :-)
Title: Re: myAcurite (the MBW replacement) announced
Post by: skysummit on September 11, 2016, 08:24:58 PM
Yes Kevin, restarting it worked fine :)


I'm seeing a big time difference in MyAcurite.  See the screenshots.  Wunderground, WeatherBug, CWOP are all updating normally, but there's about an hour and a half delay from MyAcurite:

(https://monosnap.com/file/NKJjCtasMTQaay3X1QCObwEqmaG6xN.png)

(https://monosnap.com/file/MlHCnlQIxS7w3JAGF95ado1Q2Iqt6y.png)
Title: Re: myAcurite (the MBW replacement) announced
Post by: kevink619 on September 11, 2016, 09:49:22 PM
I've fixed the bug by having the app immediately refresh the display of the station IDs. You can download and install - you're settings will be preserved.

As for the Acu-Rite website, I have also noticed it behaving strangely lately. It made debugging my application lots of fun - ha! Temperature and pressure readings on website were sometimes off by a few units. I had to use my display unit to confirm what was accurate.

Yes Kevin, restarting it worked fine :)


I'm seeing a big time difference in MyAcurite.  See the screenshots.  Wunderground, WeatherBug, CWOP are all updating normally, but there's about an hour and a half delay from MyAcurite:

(https://monosnap.com/file/NKJjCtasMTQaay3X1QCObwEqmaG6xN.png)

(https://monosnap.com/file/MlHCnlQIxS7w3JAGF95ado1Q2Iqt6y.png)
Title: Re: myAcurite (the MBW replacement) announced
Post by: nincehelser on September 11, 2016, 09:53:01 PM
As for the Acu-Rite website, I have also noticed it behaving strangely lately. It made debugging my application lots of fun - ha! Temperature and pressure readings on website were sometimes off by a few units. I had to use my display unit to confirm what was accurate.

They've been having some delays in their servers that display the data in the web and mobile clients.  I haven't seen the problem yet, but the impact seems to vary from account to account. 

It doesn't affect the data coming from the SmartHUB, though.
Title: Re: myAcurite (the MBW replacement) announced
Post by: skysummit on September 11, 2016, 09:56:32 PM
I've adjusted my temps on the Acurite page to -5.2 degrees which is what's needed to meet what's coming off the bridge. I'm guessing my temps on MyAcurite are close to 2 hours old.  It is updating however as I see it change every few minutes.
Title: Re: myAcurite (the MBW replacement) announced
Post by: skysummit on September 11, 2016, 10:00:39 PM
Not to mention my pressure has been off as well.  I adjusted MyAcurite last night to match what was being reported from my station, but it's off again.  My actual air pressure is 30.06 right now which is pretty much right on with neighboring stations, but MyAcurite says it's 29.97 now. 

I can't understand how some of these values can be so far off.
Title: Re: myAcurite (the MBW replacement) announced
Post by: nincehelser on September 11, 2016, 10:02:15 PM
I've adjusted my temps on the Acurite page to -5.2 degrees which is what's needed to meet what's coming off the bridge. I'm guessing my temps on MyAcurite are close to 2 hours old.  It is updating however as I see it change every few minutes.

Huh?  If you're saying what I think you're saying, you don't want to do that.

In normal operation, what the SmartHUB is sending shows up right away at myAcurite.  If you're adjusting the temp now to make up for the time-lag, things are going to get very confusing.

What you're seeing on myAcurite is currently like a two-hour tape delay of a sporting event.
Title: Re: myAcurite (the MBW replacement) announced
Post by: skysummit on September 11, 2016, 10:03:34 PM
Ok so what you're saying is just remove the offset for now, and put up with the 2 hour delay until it's fixed.  Correct?
Title: Re: myAcurite (the MBW replacement) announced
Post by: skysummit on September 11, 2016, 10:07:38 PM
Ooooh...this is going to be interesting.  I'm figuring my station is roughly 2 hours and 15 minutes behind right now on MyAcurite.  MyAcurite shows 0.02" of rain today, but I've received 0.03" of rain. I'm approaching the time of that last hundredth of an inch on MyAcurite.  I'm anxious to see if it catches up and my time delay guess is correct.
Title: Re: myAcurite (the MBW replacement) announced
Post by: nincehelser on September 11, 2016, 10:08:34 PM
Ok so what you're saying is just remove the offset for now, and put up with the 2 hour delay until it's fixed.  Correct?

Yes.  The problem is on Acurite's server-side.  Once they fix whatever's wrong everything will go back to normal.

I've no idea why this is a recurring problem.  The last time it cropped up, the delays started shrinking until there was no delay.

It's almost as if there's some processing delay going on...  maybe somewhere in taking the raw data and sticking it the database.
Title: Re: myAcurite (the MBW replacement) announced
Post by: haroldashe on September 11, 2016, 10:10:30 PM
Yes.  AcuRite is aware of the problem and is working to get it fixed.  You will just confuse things much more if you try to compensate for that time lag.
Title: Re: myAcurite (the MBW replacement) announced
Post by: nincehelser on September 11, 2016, 10:11:02 PM
Ooooh...this is going to be interesting.  I'm figuring my station is roughly 2 hours and 15 minutes behind right now on MyAcurite.  MyAcurite shows 0.02" of rain today, but I've received 0.03" of rain. I'm approaching the time of that last hundredth of an inch on MyAcurite.  I'm anxious to see if it catches up and my time delay guess is correct.

In the past, different sensors catch up at different times.  Don't ask me why. 

Rain seems to be the slowest thing to catch back up to real-time.
Title: Re: myAcurite (the MBW replacement) announced
Post by: skysummit on September 11, 2016, 10:11:30 PM
Thanks for the updates.  My rain JUST updated so I'm exactly 2 hours and 11 minutes behind real time :)
Title: Re: myAcurite (the MBW replacement) announced
Post by: kevink619 on September 12, 2016, 02:18:20 AM
Thanks for the updates.  My rain JUST updated so I'm exactly 2 hours and 11 minutes behind real time :)

You're welcome. Hope my app is reporting the correct rain measurements. Being that I live in Southern California and don't know when it will rain again, I had to do a short-term test by placing my 5-in-1 under a dripping faucet for about 15 minutes. I haven't been able to do a one-hour or 24-hour rain test. Luckily I did test the rain data before releasing the app as I discovered that the new firmware reports a cumulative rain value for sometime instead of the immediate rain value that the old firmware reported.

Kevin
Title: Re: myAcurite (the MBW replacement) announced
Post by: nincehelser on September 12, 2016, 02:27:05 AM
You're welcome. Hope my app is reporting the correct rain measurements. Being that I live in Southern California and don't know when it will rain again, I had to do a short-term test by placing my 5-in-1 under a dripping faucet for about 15 minutes. I haven't been able to do a one-hour or 24-hour rain test. Luckily I did test the rain data before releasing the app as I discovered that the new firmware reports a cumulative rain value for sometime instead of the immediate rain value that the old firmware reported.

Rain data is handled in exactly the same way it is done on wunderground.

Code: [Select]
rainin - [rain inches over the past hour)] -- the accumulated rainfall in the past 60 min
dailyrainin - [rain inches so far today in local time]
Title: Re: myAcurite (the MBW replacement) announced
Post by: kevink619 on September 12, 2016, 02:36:04 AM
You're welcome. Hope my app is reporting the correct rain measurements. Being that I live in Southern California and don't know when it will rain again, I had to do a short-term test by placing my 5-in-1 under a dripping faucet for about 15 minutes. I haven't been able to do a one-hour or 24-hour rain test. Luckily I did test the rain data before releasing the app as I discovered that the new firmware reports a cumulative rain value for sometime instead of the immediate rain value that the old firmware reported.

Rain data is handled in exactly the same way it is done on wunderground.

Code: [Select]
rainin - [rain inches over the past hour)] -- the accumulated rainfall in the past 60 min
dailyrainin - [rain inches so far today in local time]

Good to hear that my assumptions were right. :)
Title: Re: myAcurite (the MBW replacement) announced
Post by: nincehelser on September 12, 2016, 02:48:32 AM
You're welcome. Hope my app is reporting the correct rain measurements. Being that I live in Southern California and don't know when it will rain again, I had to do a short-term test by placing my 5-in-1 under a dripping faucet for about 15 minutes. I haven't been able to do a one-hour or 24-hour rain test. Luckily I did test the rain data before releasing the app as I discovered that the new firmware reports a cumulative rain value for sometime instead of the immediate rain value that the old firmware reported.

Rain data is handled in exactly the same way it is done on wunderground.

Code: [Select]
rainin - [rain inches over the past hour)] -- the accumulated rainfall in the past 60 min
dailyrainin - [rain inches so far today in local time]

Good to hear that my assumptions were right. :)

When I said it was like the wunderground protocol, I wasn't kidding.  It's the same all the way down to the names.
Title: Re: myAcurite (the MBW replacement) announced
Post by: kevink619 on September 12, 2016, 03:16:34 AM
You're welcome. Hope my app is reporting the correct rain measurements. Being that I live in Southern California and don't know when it will rain again, I had to do a short-term test by placing my 5-in-1 under a dripping faucet for about 15 minutes. I haven't been able to do a one-hour or 24-hour rain test. Luckily I did test the rain data before releasing the app as I discovered that the new firmware reports a cumulative rain value for sometime instead of the immediate rain value that the old firmware reported.

Rain data is handled in exactly the same way it is done on wunderground.

Code: [Select]
rainin - [rain inches over the past hour)] -- the accumulated rainfall in the past 60 min
dailyrainin - [rain inches so far today in local time]

Good to hear that my assumptions were right. :)

When I said it was like the wunderground protocol, I wasn't kidding.  It's the same all the way down to the names.

Indeed.
Title: Re: myAcurite (the MBW replacement) announced
Post by: skysummit on September 12, 2016, 04:38:05 AM
It looks like MyAcurite has caught up from it's 2 hour delay on my end.  Unsure if it happened at midnight or not however.

Well, I believe it has.  Not able to tell much with calm winds, steady pressure and steady temps.  It would be nice if there was a time stamp on MyAcurite to show the last data upload.
Title: Re: myAcurite (the MBW replacement) announced
Post by: haroldashe on September 12, 2016, 11:59:33 AM
Skysummit, if you hover your cursor over the colored bar to the left of the sensor name (on the dashboard), it shows the last update time along with signal and battery strength.
Title: Re: myAcurite (the MBW replacement) announced
Post by: skysummit on September 12, 2016, 01:29:28 PM
Skysummit, if you hover your cursor over the colored bar to the left of the sensor name (on the dashboard), it shows the last update time along with signal and battery strength.

Ahhh...nice.  Learned something! 
Title: Re: myAcurite (the MBW replacement) announced
Post by: Inverno on September 14, 2016, 11:59:22 AM
I got the email to upgrade.  Anyone know if the update will work while using Kevin Key's program?  Or does the bridge have to be directly into the router?
Title: Re: myAcurite (the MBW replacement) announced
Post by: nincehelser on September 14, 2016, 12:03:27 PM
I got the email to upgrade.  Anyone know if the update will work while using Kevin Key's program?  Or does the bridge have to be directly into the router?

That depends on how much you trust the Windows networking setup.

Personally, I'd plug it directly into your router just to eliminate as many possible points of failure as you can.
Title: Re: myAcurite (the MBW replacement) announced
Post by: Inverno on September 14, 2016, 12:04:27 PM
Thanks.  I was going to kick it off while I'm at work, but I'll wait till tonight and move it directly into the router.
Title: Re: myAcurite (the MBW replacement) announced
Post by: skysummit on September 14, 2016, 12:17:20 PM
Thanks.  I was going to kick it off while I'm at work, but I'll wait till tonight and move it directly into the router.

That's what I did...plugged directly into the router, upgraded to the SmartHUB (took about 21 minutes for me), then I updated Kevin's program, plugged back in everything accordingly, and everything worked.
Title: Re: myAcurite (the MBW replacement) announced
Post by: Inverno on September 14, 2016, 12:19:06 PM
If I'm only interested in Weather Underground for now, is it better to just use the SmartHub directly into the router instead of Kevin Key's?  If I want to send data to PWS or other sites I can use it later on correct?
Title: Re: myAcurite (the MBW replacement) announced
Post by: skysummit on September 14, 2016, 12:21:31 PM
If I'm only interested in Weather Underground for now, is it better to just use the SmartHub directly into the router instead of Kevin Key's?  If I want to send data to PWS or other sites I can use it later on correct?

Yes, you can always use Kevin's program later on.  If you're only interested in Wunderground for now, leave your bridge plugged into the router and you're done. 
Title: Re: myAcurite (the MBW replacement) announced
Post by: Inverno on September 14, 2016, 08:21:36 PM
How do I know if my bridge is updating properly? It's blinking once every ten seconds or so. Is that normal? Going on an hour now.
Title: Re: myAcurite (the MBW replacement) announced
Post by: Inverno on September 14, 2016, 08:23:29 PM
Oh then I try to login to the new site and it says my password is incorrect.
Title: Re: myAcurite (the MBW replacement) announced
Post by: SmittythePirate on September 14, 2016, 09:17:48 PM
If you know the IP address of the bridge, you can see the update progress there.
Title: Re: myAcurite (the MBW replacement) announced
Post by: Inverno on September 14, 2016, 09:22:43 PM
I'm showing version 224, so it must be updated but when I go to the new site, it doesn't recognize my username and password.
Title: Re: myAcurite (the MBW replacement) announced
Post by: Inverno on September 14, 2016, 09:41:10 PM
I have no idea what's going on. It's connected to my network, I can see it, but it doesn't connect to WU or even aculink at all. Any help would be great!
Title: Re: myAcurite (the MBW replacement) announced
Post by: DoctorKnow on September 14, 2016, 10:08:07 PM
Some have said it takes a while. I was one of the first to upgrade, so mine took 20 minutes, but with more updates added to the firmware since then, it takes quite a bit longer now from what I've read. The bridge gets little bits and pieces at a time.

The new site is myacurite.com - not aculink. The aculink site will be taken down.
Title: Re: myAcurite (the MBW replacement) announced
Post by: Inverno on September 14, 2016, 10:12:58 PM
I stopped it after 2.5 hours. Now when I try to migrate it says I can't because my email was already used. Guess I'll call them tomorrow.
Title: Re: myAcurite (the MBW replacement) announced
Post by: skysummit on September 14, 2016, 10:33:45 PM
How do I know if my bridge is updating properly? It's blinking once every ten seconds or so. Is that normal? Going on an hour now.

That's pretty much how mine acted.  I guess I was lucky though since mine only took about 21 minutes for the entire process.  Add in another 10 for Kevin's smartHub reader update, and it all took roughly a half an hour.
Title: Re: myAcurite (the MBW replacement) announced
Post by: Inverno on September 15, 2016, 07:20:01 AM
It was finally finished this morning after I plugged it back in.  Pressure is way off even after adjustment on WU and updates lag at times.  Maybe I'll stick with Kevin's program until the bugs get worked out.
Title: Re: myAcurite (the MBW replacement) announced
Post by: DoctorKnow on September 15, 2016, 08:51:42 AM
I changed my smarthub back over to the meteobridge this morning. I was tired of the gaps in data... I will have to leave the PC on all the time now though for the Oregon station, but I think I will just turn it off at night unless a storm is occuring. I also have to use the wireless now all the time, which I don't like doing. On the plus side, I can send temp and humidity data from the proper height in my radiation shield to CWOP.
Title: Re: myAcurite (the MBW replacement) announced
Post by: haroldashe on September 15, 2016, 12:08:05 PM
Lights on the smartHub (bridge) are different from the old bridge.  The lights on the right side are on and the left side blinks intermittently. 
Title: Re: myAcurite (the MBW replacement) announced
Post by: nincehelser on September 16, 2016, 12:31:09 AM
I got bored tonight and decided to look at the SmartHUBs protocol a little closer, particularly how information is pushed down by myAcurite.  I'm just noting it here for those who might be curious.

When the SmartHUB sends a message to the myAcurite server, the server normally sends back the following response:

Code: [Select]
{"localtime":"22:44:02","checkversion":"224"}
"checkversion" is the firmware app version that the servers currently support.  When this number changes, it triggers a firmware update routine in the smartHUB.

"localtime" is new to the protocol.  Since the hardware doesn't seem to have a real-time clock, I assume this is what triggers the daily rain counter to reset at midnight.  I guess it would also be used to help keep track of the rain accumulation for the last 60 minutes.  It's probably used in gust calculations, too.

One thing I was wondering about was how wunderground credentials are handled.  After power cycling the SmartHUB, I noticed that it could still send data to wunderground without asking myAcurite for your wunderground credentials.  This must mean the SmartHUB has enough non-volatile memory to store your credentials.

MyAcurite only seems to push down your wunderground credentials if you make a settings change on myAcurite.  Simply changing the pressure setting from "adjusted" to "station" forced the credentials down.  They are added to the response message mentioned above and sent one time.

Code: [Select]
{"localtime":"22:38:44","checkversion":"224","ID1":"KNEPERU2","PASSWORD1":"mypassword","sensor1":"00001398","elevation":"0"}
"ID1" is the wunderground station ID
"PASSWORD1" is your wunderground station's password (or key or whatever they call it now)
"sensor1" is the sensor ID that is used as the source for the wunderground data (only 1 sensor is currently supported)
"elevation" is your elevation in feet for use in the altimeter calculation.  Zero gives you "station pressure" (aka absolute), anything else is "adjusted" (aka altimeter)

Note that there is no manual pressure adjustment pushed down from myAcurite.  This confirms that the manual adjustment only affects myAcurite, and is also why it doesn't affect wunderground, which some are complaining about.

I'm thinking they should push down a manual adjustment.  The way it is now, there's no way to compensate for a bias in your baro sensor, and if the elevation they happen to gather from google is incorrect, there's no way to "fix" the error.

Another thing that might be a nice addition is a way to "fix" the daily rain total and the last 60 minute rainfall.  For example, if SmartHUB loses power, the rain counters currently reset to zero, screwing up your daily total.  A "fix" button on myAcurite that pushes down the daily rainfall already recorded for the day might be helpful.  Also, a way to "reset" bogus data, like the shaking of the sensor during maintenance registering as rain, would be handy.  I'm not sure how that might impact wunderground's record keeping, though.
Title: Re: myAcurite (the MBW replacement) announced
Post by: kevink619 on September 16, 2016, 04:24:58 AM
How do I know if my bridge is updating properly? It's blinking once every ten seconds or so. Is that normal? Going on an hour now.

The LED blinking was changed with the firmware update.

Under normal conditions, the left LED blinks whenever new data is received from a sensor, so it sounds like your device is working properly. The right LED should be steady.

(https://www.acurite.com/media/images/smartHUBlights.png)

More info here: https://www.acurite.com/kbase/09150_smartHUB.html



Kevin
Title: Re: myAcurite (the MBW replacement) announced
Post by: kevink619 on September 16, 2016, 04:28:29 AM
Has anyone noticed erratic pressure readings with the new firmware? A user of my app reported the pressure reading varying by as much as 0.14 inHg up and down and back again within a few minutes. I've never encountered this problem nor has anyone else reported it.

Kevin
Title: Re: myAcurite (the MBW replacement) announced
Post by: Inverno on September 16, 2016, 08:50:30 AM
Thanks for the help on the lights Kevin. I started using your app again last night and my pressure readings are off by 0.13 or so from where I have the offset set to. With the direct smart hub to WU, my pressure was also off as well.
Title: Re: myAcurite (the MBW replacement) announced
Post by: DoctorKnow on September 16, 2016, 09:13:51 AM
I noticed yesterday that my pressure was bouncing as well as my temperature on Wunderground. It seems the smarthub and meteobridge were both sending in their readings at the same time (which varied slightly). I even stopped sharing via myacurite, and it was still happening. I had to disconnect from meteobridge, and go back to the WMR100.
Title: Re: myAcurite (the MBW replacement) announced
Post by: skysummit on September 16, 2016, 01:12:50 PM
I seem to be having outstanding results with Kevin's program.  I've turned off all my Weather Display options for publishing data except to what I'm using for my website.  (yea..turned that back on)

I'm using Kevin's program for Wunderground, PWS Weather and CWOP.  I'm also using it to generate a .csv file for Weather Display to read from.
Title: Re: myAcurite (the MBW replacement) announced
Post by: Jack Bowman on September 16, 2016, 03:36:13 PM
Update underway! I have been using Kevin's App for a long time now to upload data to Weather Underground, and to generate data for Weather Display on my personal website. It just works flawlessly! Thanks Kevin! i will share my results.

Jack
Title: Re: myAcurite (the MBW replacement) announced
Post by: haroldashe on September 16, 2016, 07:25:59 PM
George,  Thanks for the info (above).
Title: Re: myAcurite (the MBW replacement) announced
Post by: Jack Bowman on September 16, 2016, 09:12:15 PM
Update went great! It took about an hour, and a half. Kevin's updated app installed and ran without issue. Pressure was higher than it should have been, Kevin's software has the ability to offset this value, so that's what I did.
Title: Re: myAcurite (the MBW replacement) announced
Post by: Jack Bowman on September 17, 2016, 07:30:37 PM
Everything still running great. Using a Tower(2in1) for Temp, and Humidity, and a 5in1 for everything else Via Kevin's Software to send composite data to weather Underground. A well placed Tower sensor beats the heck out of the 5in1 for very smooth Temperature graph results. Great job Kevin! Thank you.

Jack
Title: Re: myAcurite (the MBW replacement) announced
Post by: skysummit on September 17, 2016, 07:32:04 PM
Everything still running great. Using a Tower(2in1) for Temp, and Humidity, and a 5in1 for everything else Via Kevin's Software to send composite data to weather Underground. A well placed Tower sensor beats the heck out of the 5in1 for very smooth Temperature graph results. Great job Kevin! Thank you.

Jack

How are you choosing which sensor to get you temp/hydro from?
Title: Re: myAcurite (the MBW replacement) announced
Post by: Jack Bowman on September 17, 2016, 10:00:51 PM

How are you choosing which sensor to get you temp/hydro from?

Set the "Global Filter On Sensor" to Blank with the drop down menu, and the use the Multi sensor settings at the bottom of the setup menu. It supports

5in1
3in1
Tower
Water Sensor

If you have more than one sensor of any type then you can specify with the numeric sensor ID.
Title: Re: myAcurite (the MBW replacement) announced
Post by: skysummit on September 17, 2016, 11:50:40 PM

How are you choosing which sensor to get you temp/hydro from?

Set the "Global Filter On Sensor" to Blank with the drop down menu, and the use the Multi sensor settings at the bottom of the setup menu. It supports

5in1
3in1
Tower
Water Sensor

If you have more than one sensor of any type then you can specify with the numeric sensor ID.

Ahhh....ok.  I wasn't aware of the possibility to choose which sensors you want to support.  This will be of a big help once the lightning detector sensor becomes readable by the smarthub.
Title: Re: myAcurite (the MBW replacement) announced
Post by: Inverno on September 19, 2016, 12:10:16 PM
This has been my barometric pressure graph on WU.  I used Kevin's app for about 1.5 years and it worked fine.  Now for some reason the pressure readings are up and down constantly.  Any ideas?

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Title: Re: myAcurite (the MBW replacement) announced
Post by: Jack Bowman on September 19, 2016, 05:54:55 PM
What does your pressure chart look like at the My Acurite Dashboard? It looks like you might be getting input from the app, and the Acurite website at the same time.
Title: Re: myAcurite (the MBW replacement) announced
Post by: kevink619 on September 19, 2016, 06:15:06 PM
What does your pressure chart look like at the My Acurite Dashboard? It looks like you might be getting input from the app, and the Acurite website at the same time.

Good thought. Yeah, need to turn OFF sharing my My AcuRite when using my app.

Kevin
Title: Re: myAcurite (the MBW replacement) announced
Post by: Inverno on September 19, 2016, 06:46:15 PM
I think that fixed it. The Wundermap on iPhone is still having issues but that could be anything.


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Title: Re: myAcurite (the MBW replacement) announced
Post by: DoctorKnow on September 19, 2016, 07:04:31 PM
I tried Kevin Keys app again. It worked right away. I am still trying to use the tower sensor settings, but when I do, the wind screws up. I'll keep playing with it.

EDIT. I think I have it now! This is what I have been looking for, is something to work just like what Kevin has done with this.  :D
Title: Re: myAcurite (the MBW replacement) announced
Post by: skysummit on September 19, 2016, 11:00:28 PM
What does your pressure chart look like at the My Acurite Dashboard? It looks like you might be getting input from the app, and the Acurite website at the same time.

You know, that may be it!  If you line up the top points and line up the bottom points, they're more in line to what pressure tendencies should look like for that time period, but have about a 1.4mb difference which may be an offset.

(https://monosnap.com/file/XxjewKl9Q67hX7cz07xceiTSVntT9d.png)
Title: Re: myAcurite (the MBW replacement) announced
Post by: skysummit on September 19, 2016, 11:01:43 PM
I see now though over on the Facebook group, it's working :)  Glad to hear that.
Title: Re: myAcurite (the MBW replacement) announced
Post by: kevink619 on September 20, 2016, 02:02:47 AM
Some more bug fixes and improvements to my app.

Latest version is 2016.09.19.2137 and includes the following changes:


http://kevin-key.blogspot.ca/2014/09/new-version-is-now-available-for.html
Title: Re: myAcurite (the MBW replacement) announced
Post by: DoctorKnow on September 20, 2016, 08:32:49 AM
Thanks Kevin. I really like the wind speed fix. The reading coming out of the bridge is low to start with, so this is a great feature. I also am able to send to CWOP now and not send the wrong speeds. Also sending the thermometer from the tower is the best choice for users I think. It allows proper placement, which can make a huge difference.
Title: Re: myAcurite (the MBW replacement) announced
Post by: Jack Bowman on September 20, 2016, 10:17:52 AM
I agree Doc! The ability to use a discrete tower sensor for Temp, and Humidity is really nice. The Weather Display compatible .csv file output is very desirable for not only supporting the WD software, but for logging the data locally. The output support is awesome as well...

Weather Underground
PWSweather
Weatherbug
Anything Weather
OpenWeatherMap
CWOP

Kevin is providing this software at no charge, and works hard to make sure it is functional, and updated. I would encourage taking the time to donate if you like the software. Honestly, without  this software I would have another brand weather station by now. I like that Acurite provides such great equipment at a low cost, and I do see a big improvement in their new software, and website, but Kevin's software just adds functionality to the fun of having an Acurite product.

Jack
Title: Re: myAcurite (the MBW replacement) announced
Post by: skysummit on September 20, 2016, 10:30:16 AM
I agree Doc! The ability to use a discrete tower sensor for Temp, and Humidity is really nice. The Weather Display compatible .csv file output is very desirable for not only supporting the WD software, but for logging the data locally. The output support is awesome as well...

Weather Underground
PWSweather
Weatherbug
Anything Weather
OpenWeatherMap
CWOP

Kevin is providing this software at no charge, and works hard to make sure it is functional, and updated. I would encourage taking the time to donate if you like the software. Honestly, without  this software I would have another brand weather station by now. I like that Acurite provides such great equipment at a low cost, and I do see a big improvement in their new software, and website, but Kevin's software just adds functionality to the fun of having an Acurite product.

Jack

110% agree...Kevin's program is what has kept me with the affordable Acurite products.  I'll have to order a few extra sensors now.  I just upgraded to the latest version and all went well again.  It just simply works!  Thanks Kevin!
Title: Re: myAcurite (the MBW replacement) announced
Post by: kevink619 on September 20, 2016, 01:08:45 PM
Thanks Kevin. I really like the wind speed fix. The reading coming out of the bridge is low to start with, so this is a great feature. I also am able to send to CWOP now and not send the wrong speeds. Also sending the thermometer from the tower is the best choice for users I think. It allows proper placement, which can make a huge difference.

You're welcome. Glad you like the latest update. Yeah, I've noticed some changes in how wind data is now reported. It seems that the new firmware is much more conservative in reporting wind gusts, most noticeably.

Title: Re: myAcurite (the MBW replacement) announced
Post by: kevink619 on September 20, 2016, 01:09:32 PM
I agree Doc! The ability to use a discrete tower sensor for Temp, and Humidity is really nice. The Weather Display compatible .csv file output is very desirable for not only supporting the WD software, but for logging the data locally. The output support is awesome as well...

Weather Underground
PWSweather
Weatherbug
Anything Weather
OpenWeatherMap
CWOP

Kevin is providing this software at no charge, and works hard to make sure it is functional, and updated. I would encourage taking the time to donate if you like the software. Honestly, without  this software I would have another brand weather station by now. I like that Acurite provides such great equipment at a low cost, and I do see a big improvement in their new software, and website, but Kevin's software just adds functionality to the fun of having an Acurite product.

Jack

Thank you Jack. :-)
Title: Re: myAcurite (the MBW replacement) announced
Post by: kevink619 on September 20, 2016, 01:10:43 PM
I agree Doc! The ability to use a discrete tower sensor for Temp, and Humidity is really nice. The Weather Display compatible .csv file output is very desirable for not only supporting the WD software, but for logging the data locally. The output support is awesome as well...

Weather Underground
PWSweather
Weatherbug
Anything Weather
OpenWeatherMap
CWOP

Kevin is providing this software at no charge, and works hard to make sure it is functional, and updated. I would encourage taking the time to donate if you like the software. Honestly, without  this software I would have another brand weather station by now. I like that Acurite provides such great equipment at a low cost, and I do see a big improvement in their new software, and website, but Kevin's software just adds functionality to the fun of having an Acurite product.

Jack

110% agree...Kevin's program is what has kept me with the affordable Acurite products.  I'll have to order a few extra sensors now.  I just upgraded to the latest version and all went well again.  It just simply works!  Thanks Kevin!

Glad you're enjoying my app. :-)

All: I just added a weather cam (this is done via Weather Underground's site and doesn't require my app or any other 3rd party tools). https://www.wunderground.com/webcams/KevinKey/2/show.html
Title: Re: myAcurite (the MBW replacement) announced
Post by: DoctorKnow on September 20, 2016, 08:55:33 PM
On Kevin's upload to CWOP, I'm not getting any rain showing up in the 24 hrs column. All the others are working, like rain in the last hour and rain since midnight.




 







Title: Re: myAcurite (the MBW replacement) announced
Post by: tandy1000 on September 20, 2016, 09:50:26 PM

Mine is clean.  The line breaks are simply a matter of formatting.  I find using tcpflow gives nice looking results.  It still breaks up the lines on the console readout, but what gets written to the file looks like this:

Code: [Select]
GET /weatherstation/updateweatherstation?dateutc=now&action=updateraw&realtime=1&id=24C86Exxxxxx&mt=5N1x38&sensor=00001398&windspeedmph=3&humidity=76&tempf=82.6&baromin=28.97&battery=normal&rssi=1 HTTP/1.1
Host: hubapi.myacurite.com
User-Agent: Hub/224
Connection: close

Finally got my bridge/SmartHUB back today! Looks good so far, and happy to see it reporting the new Room Monitor and Outdoor Temp & Humidity Sensor, as well as leak detector and soil probe. Those new units come with the address labeled, but curiously one seems to be wrong. One is labeled with the hex value (000A75) and the hub reports it in the decimal (00002677) value.

The other sensor is labeled 001285, but is reporting as 00004613. Is there some math translation I'm missing?

Anyway, I can get back to adapting my code. George, tcpflow does seem to parse rather nicely so I'll probably end up using that - thanks for the suggestion.
Title: Re: myAcurite (the MBW replacement) announced
Post by: DoctorKnow on September 21, 2016, 12:50:19 PM
How do you stop sharing from Myacurite??? I have tried everything, even deleting the information, and it keeps reporting on top of the Kevin Key reports.
Title: Re: myAcurite (the MBW replacement) announced
Post by: haroldashe on September 21, 2016, 12:55:50 PM
I did it at Settings>Share Weather>Sharing To Weather Underground>Remove. 
Title: Re: myAcurite (the MBW replacement) announced
Post by: nincehelser on September 21, 2016, 01:04:23 PM
One sure-fire way to do it is to put in a bad station ID or password.

I'd do that only as a last resort, though.  It should turn off as Harold described.
Title: Re: myAcurite (the MBW replacement) announced
Post by: DoctorKnow on September 21, 2016, 03:30:23 PM
You can't put in a bad password once you remove the sensors... I tried the remove once, I just did it again. We'll see... Thanks
Title: Re: myAcurite (the MBW replacement) announced
Post by: nincehelser on September 21, 2016, 03:35:32 PM
You can't put in a bad password once you remove the sensors... I tried the remove once, I just did it again. We'll see... Thanks

There's no reason to remove the sensor. 

That might explain why it's still sending.  When you remove the sensor, myAcurite is not going to try to communicate with it anymore, so the wunderground updating won't turn off.
Title: Re: myAcurite (the MBW replacement) announced
Post by: DoctorKnow on September 21, 2016, 04:28:22 PM
It's stopped sending. Only after removing the sensors. If this is the way the bridge works, no wonder people think their bridge is bricked. Acurite will just take them in and redistribute since there is nothing wrong with most of them.
Title: Re: myAcurite (the MBW replacement) announced
Post by: Inverno on September 23, 2016, 08:13:26 AM
Are there plans to add hundredths to the offset for the pressure?
Title: Re: myAcurite (the MBW replacement) announced
Post by: nincehelser on September 23, 2016, 10:47:01 AM
Are there plans to add hundredths to the offset for the pressure?

Yes.  It's been reported as a bug.
Title: Re: myAcurite (the MBW replacement) announced
Post by: kevink619 on September 24, 2016, 05:11:12 AM
On Kevin's upload to CWOP, I'm not getting any rain showing up in the 24 hrs column. All the others are working, like rain in the last hour and rain since midnight.

Hi,

I look into fixing this issue soon.

Kevin
Title: Re: myAcurite (the MBW replacement) announced
Post by: Inverno on September 24, 2016, 02:57:01 PM
How are they going to fix "bugs"? Hopefully not like the migration...
Title: Re: myAcurite (the MBW replacement) announced
Post by: nincehelser on September 24, 2016, 03:00:53 PM
How are they going to fix "bugs"? Hopefully not like the migration...

They can push down firmware updates automatically over the network. 

The "migration" was a special case as it required more user involvement with the account info being moved to a new system.

If it's just a bug on the website, then they just fix it there.
Title: Re: myAcurite (the MBW replacement) announced
Post by: nincehelser on September 25, 2016, 10:41:19 AM
This required a bit of thinking on my part to get this feature working again. The new bridge firmware reports rain as two different cumulative values that reset after one hour and and midnight. The old firmware reported non-cumulative rain value from exactly 24 hours ago and subtract it from the total cumulative rain of the previous day.  Next, I take measurements as the rain is detected.

???  The old firmware sent the amount of rain that had fallen in the last 36 seconds.
Title: Re: myAcurite (the MBW replacement) announced
Post by: holden7 on September 25, 2016, 01:18:00 PM
Not sure if this was mentioned before but is there a reason that the humidity readings on the smartHUB only go up to 98%?
Title: Re: myAcurite (the MBW replacement) announced
Post by: nincehelser on September 25, 2016, 03:21:23 PM
Not sure if this was mentioned before but is there a reason that the humidity readings on the smartHUB only go up to 98%?

Usually that's a sensor issue, but you might want to check if you have an offset applied that might be causing it.
Title: Re: myAcurite (the MBW replacement) announced
Post by: holden7 on September 25, 2016, 04:11:14 PM
 It says that I do not have an offset applied on myacurite. When the humidity is under 99% the humidity on myacurite does match with my console. Also, it shows up as 98% on Kevin's program and I do not have an offset set on there also.
Title: Re: myAcurite (the MBW replacement) announced
Post by: daman on September 25, 2016, 06:53:47 PM
I just finished my migration tonight everything seems to be working fine, I didn't read this whole thread but how often does the new platform update to WU? I no its faster then the old 15min.  and can I adjust that update interval?? if so how?
Title: Re: myAcurite (the MBW replacement) announced
Post by: nincehelser on September 25, 2016, 06:56:34 PM
I just finished my migration tonight everything seems to be working fine, I didn't read this whole thread but how often does the new platform update to WU? I no its faster then the old 15min.  and can I adjust that update interval?? if so how?

The SmartHUB reports to wunderground directly every 36 seconds.  It's not user-changeable.
Title: Re: myAcurite (the MBW replacement) announced
Post by: daman on September 25, 2016, 07:00:05 PM
I just finished my migration tonight everything seems to be working fine, I didn't read this whole thread but how often does the new platform update to WU? I no its faster then the old 15min.  and can I adjust that update interval?? if so how?

The SmartHUB reports to wunderground directly every 36 seconds.  It's not user-changeable.
so the same is true with my acurite on my computer, 36 seconds to that too?
Title: Re: myAcurite (the MBW replacement) announced
Post by: nincehelser on September 25, 2016, 07:03:29 PM

so the same is true with my acurite on my computer, 36 seconds to that too?

Data is sent to myAcurite as fast as your sensor send it.  For example, a 5n1 sends data every 18 seconds.  It takes two transmissions to get a full set of data, thus the 36 seconds to wunderground.
Title: Re: myAcurite (the MBW replacement) announced
Post by: daman on September 25, 2016, 07:05:53 PM

so the same is true with my acurite on my computer, 36 seconds to that too?

Data is sent to myAcurite as fast as your sensor send it.  For example, a 5n1 sends data every 18 seconds.  It takes two transmissions to get a full set of data, thus the 36 seconds to wunderground.
K thanks nincehelser UU
Title: Re: myAcurite (the MBW replacement) announced
Post by: kevink619 on September 25, 2016, 07:20:26 PM
It says that I do not have an offset applied on myacurite. When the humidity is under 99% the humidity on myacurite does match with my console. Also, it shows up as 98% on Kevin's program and I do not have an offset set on there also.

I've seen 99% humidity readings, but never 100%. Not on the standalone display either.
Title: Re: myAcurite (the MBW replacement) announced
Post by: skysummit on September 25, 2016, 07:21:36 PM

so the same is true with my acurite on my computer, 36 seconds to that too?

Data is sent to myAcurite as fast as your sensor send it.  For example, a 5n1 sends data every 18 seconds.  It takes two transmissions to get a full set of data, thus the 36 seconds to wunderground.

Oh wow, did not know that...learn something new every day!
Title: Re: myAcurite (the MBW replacement) announced
Post by: daman on September 25, 2016, 07:59:42 PM
Hmmm but my WU is not showing updates that fast, I must be missing something.
Title: Re: myAcurite (the MBW replacement) announced
Post by: holden7 on September 25, 2016, 08:00:45 PM
It says that I do not have an offset applied on myacurite. When the humidity is under 99% the humidity on myacurite does match with my console. Also, it shows up as 98% on Kevin's program and I do not have an offset set on there also.

I've seen 99% humidity readings, but never 100%. Not on the standalone display either.

Yeah I probably should of said not 99% instead of under 99% since the sensor does not report 100% on its own. Either way its not really that big of a deal, was just wondering whether it was suppose to do that or not since i'm use to reporting 99% as my max humidity reading. :P
Title: Re: myAcurite (the MBW replacement) announced
Post by: nincehelser on September 25, 2016, 09:44:17 PM
Hmmm but my WU is not showing updates that fast, I must be missing something.

Trying going into myAcurite, deleting the wunderground sharing, then re-enter it, making sure your station ID is all caps and the password or key is manually entered, not pasted (as that sometimes introduces errant spaces).

Also make sure the wunderground info you enter is correct.  If anything is wrong, it fails silently.

After you save the info, it should be pushed down to your SmartHUB and it will begin updating.  There may be something going on in the migration where your wunderground info isn't being pushed for some reason.  Resaving the wunderground info will force myAcurite to push it again.
Title: Re: myAcurite (the MBW replacement) announced
Post by: avalanch on September 26, 2016, 04:53:45 PM
Ok so I got tired of waiting for Acu-Rite to fix the data gaps and went back to Kevin's software. Everything seems to be working with the exception that it only updates once every 5 or 6 minutes to WU, what am I missing. When I used his software before it was rapid fire, not now. Any help would be great, thanks...:)
Title: Re: myAcurite (the MBW replacement) announced
Post by: DoctorKnow on September 26, 2016, 06:44:05 PM
The software should update as the data comes in. Maybe your Wunder settings are not right? Do you have "rapid fire" checked?
Title: Re: myAcurite (the MBW replacement) announced
Post by: avalanch on September 26, 2016, 06:48:16 PM
The software should update as the data comes in. Maybe your Wunder settings are not right? Do you have "rapid fire" checked?

It is checked, maybe I am confused. The top of WU is now saying updated 13 seconds ago, updated 3 seconds ago, but all the data is exactly 5 minutes apart when you look at the table. Now going back before the upgrade to the smarthub, the data was the same way. So I don't know, I always thought when it said updated, it updated something, but maybe not???
Title: Re: myAcurite (the MBW replacement) announced
Post by: nincehelser on September 26, 2016, 06:51:28 PM
The software should update as the data comes in. Maybe your Wunder settings are not right? Do you have "rapid fire" checked?

It is checked, maybe I am confused. The top of WU is now saying updated 13 seconds ago, updated 3 seconds ago, but all the data is exactly 5 minutes apart when you look at the table. Now going back before the upgrade to the smarthub, the data was the same way. So I don't know, I always thought when it said updated, it updated something, but maybe not???

Wunderground aggregates the data into 5-minute intervals for long-term storage.
Title: Re: myAcurite (the MBW replacement) announced
Post by: avalanch on September 26, 2016, 06:53:35 PM
The software should update as the data comes in. Maybe your Wunder settings are not right? Do you have "rapid fire" checked?

It is checked, maybe I am confused. The top of WU is now saying updated 13 seconds ago, updated 3 seconds ago, but all the data is exactly 5 minutes apart when you look at the table. Now going back before the upgrade to the smarthub, the data was the same way. So I don't know, I always thought when it said updated, it updated something, but maybe not???

Wunderground aggregates the data into 5-minute intervals for long-term storage.


So then I guess I am normal then correct. How does Rapid Fire work? So when it says updated 3 seconds ago, that is not exactly accurate? Thanks for the response..
Title: Re: myAcurite (the MBW replacement) announced
Post by: nincehelser on September 26, 2016, 06:58:52 PM
So then I guess I am normal then correct. How does Rapid Fire work? So when it says updated 3 seconds ago, that is not exactly accurate? Thanks for the response..

"Rapid Fire" is simply wunderground's method of taking data as fast as you can send it, down to 2 1/2 seconds or so.  They don't retain that data for very long, though.  The storage costs are just too high.  That's why they take it down to 5 minutes for long-term storage.

Wunderground's estimation of when a station last updated can be very wonky.  Take them with a grain of salt.  If you think Acurite has problems, wunderground has plenty of their own.
Title: Re: myAcurite (the MBW replacement) announced
Post by: avalanch on September 26, 2016, 07:04:26 PM
So then I guess I am normal then correct. How does Rapid Fire work? So when it says updated 3 seconds ago, that is not exactly accurate? Thanks for the response..

"Rapid Fire" is simply wunderground's method of taking data as fast as you can send it, down to 2 1/2 seconds or so.  They don't retain that data for very long, though.  The storage costs are just too high.  That's why they take it down to 5 minutes for long-term storage.

Wunderground's estimation of when a station last updated can be very wonky.  Take them with a grain of salt.  If you think Acurite has problems, wunderground has plenty of their own.

Thank you for that explanation, I had no idea. So then I guess I am good... I understand they both have issues, but Kevin's software sure makes things so much better. I went out and purchased a new "micro" computer that actually looks like a thumb drive and is running Windows 10, and is powered by a cell phone charger. So much less power used over my old Server... I think I am finally good to go, thanks again everyone...
Title: Re: myAcurite (the MBW replacement) announced
Post by: Inverno on September 26, 2016, 08:23:06 PM
Can I ask what a micro computer is and how much did it cost? Kevin's program it's great but requiring it to use my laptop is a bit of a pain.


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Title: Re: myAcurite (the MBW replacement) announced
Post by: skysummit on September 26, 2016, 09:05:17 PM
Can I ask what a micro computer is and how much did it cost? Kevin's program it's great but requiring it to use my laptop is a bit of a pain.


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Here's one on Amazon --> HERE (https://www.amazon.com/Intel-Compute-Computer-processor-BOXSTK1AW32SCR/dp/B01ASB0DJ8?tag=bom_tomsguide-20&creativeASIN=B01ASB0DJ8&ascsubtag=[site|tguus[cat|computers[art|[pid|B01ASB0DJ8[tid|147493822075518[bbc|ProductTable).

Personally, I just picked up a cheap laptop, installed kevin's software and Weather Display, and just folded it up on the floor besides our entertainment center.  Nice and easy.
Title: Re: myAcurite (the MBW replacement) announced
Post by: Inverno on September 27, 2016, 10:46:49 AM
It says that I do not have an offset applied on myacurite. When the humidity is under 99% the humidity on myacurite does match with my console. Also, it shows up as 98% on Kevin's program and I do not have an offset set on there also.

I've seen 99% humidity readings, but never 100%. Not on the standalone display either.

Kevin, can you think of any reason that the new update of your software wouldn't work with the iPhone WUndermap app? It just shows up as all zeros when I check my weather station on there.


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Title: Re: myAcurite (the MBW replacement) announced
Post by: Jack Bowman on September 27, 2016, 06:25:12 PM
It says that I do not have an offset applied on myacurite. When the humidity is under 99% the humidity on myacurite does match with my console. Also, it shows up as 98% on Kevin's program and I do not have an offset set on there also.

I've seen 99% humidity readings, but never 100%. Not on the standalone display either.

Kevin, can you think of any reason that the new update of your software wouldn't work with the iPhone WUndermap app? It just shows up as all zeros when I check my weather station on there.


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How does your weatherunderground page look on a web browser? If it looks OK, then the problem is with the configuration of your iPhone app.
Title: Re: myAcurite (the MBW replacement) announced
Post by: Inverno on September 27, 2016, 06:48:45 PM
It says that I do not have an offset applied on myacurite. When the humidity is under 99% the humidity on myacurite does match with my console. Also, it shows up as 98% on Kevin's program and I do not have an offset set on there also.

I've seen 99% humidity readings, but never 100%. Not on the standalone display either.

Kevin, can you think of any reason that the new update of your software wouldn't work with the iPhone WUndermap app? It just shows up as all zeros when I check my weather station on there.


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How does your weatherunderground page look on a web browser? If it looks OK, then the problem is with the configuration of your iPhone app.

Nothing changed in the WUndermap app, only Kevin's program. It's not a huge deal, the app is just very user friendly for a quick look. Something must have changed with the data in Kevin's program that the app doesn't understand.


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Title: Re: myAcurite (the MBW replacement) announced
Post by: kevink619 on September 27, 2016, 07:33:34 PM
Can I ask what a micro computer is and how much did it cost? Kevin's program it's great but requiring it to use my laptop is a bit of a pain.


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Here's one on Amazon --> HERE (https://www.amazon.com/Intel-Compute-Computer-processor-BOXSTK1AW32SCR/dp/B01ASB0DJ8?tag=bom_tomsguide-20&creativeASIN=B01ASB0DJ8&ascsubtag=[site|tguus[cat|computers[art|[pid|B01ASB0DJ8[tid|147493822075518[bbc|ProductTable).

Personally, I just picked up a cheap laptop, installed kevin's software and Weather Display, and just folded it up on the floor besides our entertainment center.  Nice and easy.

Very cool. Once I save up the cash, I may get one of these.

Kevin
Title: Re: myAcurite (the MBW replacement) announced
Post by: kevink619 on September 27, 2016, 07:35:04 PM
It says that I do not have an offset applied on myacurite. When the humidity is under 99% the humidity on myacurite does match with my console. Also, it shows up as 98% on Kevin's program and I do not have an offset set on there also.

I've seen 99% humidity readings, but never 100%. Not on the standalone display either.

Kevin, can you think of any reason that the new update of your software wouldn't work with the iPhone WUndermap app? It just shows up as all zeros when I check my weather station on there.


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How does your weatherunderground page look on a web browser? If it looks OK, then the problem is with the configuration of your iPhone app.

Nothing changed in the WUndermap app, only Kevin's program. It's not a huge deal, the app is just very user friendly for a quick look. Something must have changed with the data in Kevin's program that the app doesn't understand.


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That is odd. I haven't changed how the data is reported to Weather Underground. I don't have an iOs device (I'm a PC and Android fan), but will see if I can maybe find an emulator at work to use.

Kevin
Title: Re: myAcurite (the MBW replacement) announced
Post by: Inverno on September 27, 2016, 07:49:01 PM
This is what it looks like. All other weather underground apps seem ok, making it more odd.

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Title: Re: myAcurite (the MBW replacement) announced
Post by: holden7 on September 27, 2016, 08:09:43 PM
This is what it looks like. All other weather underground apps seem ok, making it more odd.

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Interesting. I can confirm the same is happening with me when I search both my station and Inverno's. No issue on other apps also. The wundermap app is no longer being updated though and wunderground removed it from the app store.
Title: Re: myAcurite (the MBW replacement) announced
Post by: Inverno on September 27, 2016, 08:21:04 PM
I did not know it was no longer being supported or updated. In that case, negate what I said. Thanks Kevin for what you do!
Title: Re: myAcurite (the MBW replacement) announced
Post by: kevink619 on September 28, 2016, 12:10:01 AM
I did not know it was no longer being supported or updated. In that case, negate what I said. Thanks Kevin for what you do!

Good to hear. :-)
Title: myAcurite (the MBW replacement) announced
Post by: Inverno on September 29, 2016, 07:07:59 PM
I am trying out the direct connected smart hub to the router and for some reason, when I add a pressure offset, it shows up on Acurite but not on WU. Any ideas? Everything else is sharing fine.


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Title: Re: myAcurite (the MBW replacement) announced
Post by: Inverno on September 29, 2016, 08:12:40 PM
My Acurite is showing 30.15, which I want but WU showing 29.85. My offset is 0.3.


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Title: Re: myAcurite (the MBW replacement) announced
Post by: Cueball318 on September 29, 2016, 08:25:14 PM
My Acurite is showing 30.15, which I want but WU showing 29.85. My offset is 0.3.


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That's exactly what my bridge is off, the offset will apply to the dashboard, but doesn't carry over to WU.
I asked over at Acurite  & they claimed they are working on getting it corrected, but who knows?


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Title: Re: myAcurite (the MBW replacement) announced
Post by: kevink619 on September 30, 2016, 12:59:04 AM
Some more updates to my app...

Latest version is 2016.09.27.2112 and includes the following changes:


http://kevin-key.blogspot.ca/2014/09/new-version-is-now-available-for.html
Title: Re: myAcurite (the MBW replacement) announced
Post by: skysummit on September 30, 2016, 10:21:27 AM
Some more updates to my app...

Latest version is 2016.09.27.2112 and includes the following changes:

  • (Hopefully) fixed the rare, but reported, bug where the app sometimes crashes when clicking the "Save" button on the Settings form. I have not been able to personally reproduce this bug, but I was able to narrow down the cause to the code that refreshes the main screen when one saves and exits the Settings form.
  • Additional improvements to error handling and reporting.
  • New/experimental: The ability to post temperature and humidity data directly to a Vera / Mios / Micasaverde / OpenHAB home automation controller. If this proves to be a popular feature, I will expands the options here.

http://kevin-key.blogspot.ca/2014/09/new-version-is-now-available-for.html

Thanks Kevin!  The bold highlight happened to me every time I hit save.  Sorry I didn't report it!
Title: Re: myAcurite (the MBW replacement) announced
Post by: kevink619 on September 30, 2016, 01:24:23 PM
Some more updates to my app...

Latest version is 2016.09.27.2112 and includes the following changes:

  • (Hopefully) fixed the rare, but reported, bug where the app sometimes crashes when clicking the "Save" button on the Settings form. I have not been able to personally reproduce this bug, but I was able to narrow down the cause to the code that refreshes the main screen when one saves and exits the Settings form.
  • Additional improvements to error handling and reporting.
  • New/experimental: The ability to post temperature and humidity data directly to a Vera / Mios / Micasaverde / OpenHAB home automation controller. If this proves to be a popular feature, I will expands the options here.

http://kevin-key.blogspot.ca/2014/09/new-version-is-now-available-for.html

Thanks Kevin!  The bold highlight happened to me every time I hit save.  Sorry I didn't report it!

skysummit,

You're welcome. Please let me know whether the problem has gone away for you in the latest version.

Kevin
Title: Re: myAcurite (the MBW replacement) announced
Post by: daman on October 02, 2016, 04:21:45 PM
With the new acurite platform should rapidfire be on or off at WU?
Title: Re: myAcurite (the MBW replacement) announced
Post by: DoctorKnow on October 02, 2016, 05:41:16 PM
Turn Rabid fire on.
Title: Re: myAcurite (the MBW replacement) announced
Post by: daman on October 02, 2016, 05:57:48 PM
Turn Rabid fire on.
K thanks
Title: Re: myAcurite (the MBW replacement) announced
Post by: Inverno on October 03, 2016, 05:04:38 PM
Looks like my 5 in 1 may be having problems. Temperatures jumping all over, 2, 118, -40 degrees. I changed the batteries but don't think that helped. Any ideas?


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Title: Re: myAcurite (the MBW replacement) announced
Post by: DoctorKnow on October 03, 2016, 05:26:23 PM
Looks like my 5 in 1 may be having problems. Temperatures jumping all over, 2, 118, -40 degrees. I changed the batteries but don't think that helped. Any ideas?


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Bad sensor board is my guess.
Title: Re: myAcurite (the MBW replacement) announced
Post by: Inverno on October 03, 2016, 05:46:41 PM
My station is about 3.5 years old, too old for the replacement they sell?
Title: Re: myAcurite (the MBW replacement) announced
Post by: nincehelser on October 03, 2016, 05:51:19 PM
My station is about 3.5 years old, too old for the replacement they sell?

At that age it's likely the SHT21 chip.  The new board will work, but you'll need to cut off the modular connector and solder the 4 wires to the appropriate spots on the main board.
Title: Re: myAcurite (the MBW replacement) announced
Post by: Inverno on October 03, 2016, 05:54:09 PM
How hard is it to work in the small area?. On a 1 to 10 scale, how difficult is it?
Title: Re: myAcurite (the MBW replacement) announced
Post by: nincehelser on October 03, 2016, 05:56:26 PM
How hard is it to work in the small area?. On a 1 to 10 scale, how difficult is it?

I'd say a 1 as long as you know how to work a soldering iron.

It's a whole lot easier that trying to solder in the chip itself.
Title: Re: myAcurite (the MBW replacement) announced
Post by: Inverno on October 03, 2016, 05:59:57 PM
Do I just pull out the old one? I have a solder iron.  Is this it? https://www.acurite.com/temperature-and-humidity-sensor-replacement-for-5-in-1-weather-sensors.html
Title: Re: myAcurite (the MBW replacement) announced
Post by: nincehelser on October 03, 2016, 06:02:23 PM
Do I just pull out the old one? I have a solder iron.  Is this it? https://www.acurite.com/temperature-and-humidity-sensor-replacement-for-5-in-1-weather-sensors.html

Yes.  The old module will have a ribbon cable to the main board.  You'll remove the ribbon cable wires from the main board and solder in the new wires.
Title: Re: myAcurite (the MBW replacement) announced
Post by: Inverno on October 03, 2016, 06:29:22 PM
I ordered the chip and giving it a shot. Much cheaper than a whole new station.
Title: Re: myAcurite (the MBW replacement) announced
Post by: DoctorKnow on October 03, 2016, 06:38:16 PM
Is the fan still running well? At that age, it may need a new motor.
Title: Re: myAcurite (the MBW replacement) announced
Post by: Inverno on October 03, 2016, 06:54:46 PM
My temps were fairly accurate and humidity was very close to others. Temperatures have just between jumping all over today. I'll see if the chip works and go from there.
Title: Re: myAcurite (the MBW replacement) announced
Post by: Inverno on October 04, 2016, 06:30:29 AM
Some more updates to my app...

Latest version is 2016.09.27.2112 and includes the following changes:

  • (Hopefully) fixed the rare, but reported, bug where the app sometimes crashes when clicking the "Save" button on the Settings form. I have not been able to personally reproduce this bug, but I was able to narrow down the cause to the code that refreshes the main screen when one saves and exits the Settings form.
  • Additional improvements to error handling and reporting.
  • New/experimental: The ability to post temperature and humidity data directly to a Vera / Mios / Micasaverde / OpenHAB home automation controller. If this proves to be a popular feature, I will expands the options here.

http://kevin-key.blogspot.ca/2014/09/new-version-is-now-available-for.html

Kevin,
Looks like I'm getting that error again saying I'm running old firmware.  I have updated weeks ago and am using your latest 9/27 version.  Is there another conflict of data somehow?
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Title: Re: myAcurite (the MBW replacement) announced
Post by: Jack Bowman on October 04, 2016, 09:19:01 AM
I see that you have three errors registered. I think this could be an error checking issue. Does restarting the app make this go away for awhile? I am sure Kevin will be along soon.
Title: Re: myAcurite (the MBW replacement) announced
Post by: Inverno on October 04, 2016, 09:27:28 AM
Restarting does make it go away.  I had this same error a few days ago.  Maybe it is the errors?  Kevin has to be getting sick of me by now!
Title: Re: myAcurite (the MBW replacement) announced
Post by: Jack Bowman on October 04, 2016, 09:42:27 AM
Kevin has to be getting sick of me by now!

On the contrary, you are helping him make the app better!
Title: Re: myAcurite (the MBW replacement) announced
Post by: kevink619 on October 04, 2016, 12:41:21 PM
Some more updates to my app...

Latest version is 2016.09.27.2112 and includes the following changes:

  • (Hopefully) fixed the rare, but reported, bug where the app sometimes crashes when clicking the "Save" button on the Settings form. I have not been able to personally reproduce this bug, but I was able to narrow down the cause to the code that refreshes the main screen when one saves and exits the Settings form.
  • Additional improvements to error handling and reporting.
  • New/experimental: The ability to post temperature and humidity data directly to a Vera / Mios / Micasaverde / OpenHAB home automation controller. If this proves to be a popular feature, I will expands the options here.

http://kevin-key.blogspot.ca/2014/09/new-version-is-now-available-for.html

Kevin,
Looks like I'm getting that error again saying I'm running old firmware.  I have updated weeks ago and am using your latest 9/27 version.  Is there another conflict of data somehow?
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Hi,

I'll have a look. I think I may just disable this "feature" since everyone should be on the latest firmware by now. I'm also finishing up fixing and testing for the last remaining bugs in the logic that calculates the rain in the last 24 hours (NOT calendar day) and rain in the last hour (NOT on the hour) values.

Kevin
Title: Re: myAcurite (the MBW replacement) announced
Post by: Wrog on October 04, 2016, 01:37:56 PM
I looked around for an answer to this but didn't see one so if anyone knows of a post that will answer this dilemma, please direct me there.

I switched over to My AcuRite in August and got my parents updated the end of last month.  I don't pay a lot of attention to the barometric reading but my dad does.  He pointed out yesterday that his reading was off by about 4 points - displaying 25.71 vs. the NWS pressure of 29.94.  I checked mine and it's reading about 2.5 points off - 27.47 vs. NWS 29.96.  I adjusted this in on My AcuRite and it showing an accrurate reading in the app but it doesn't feed over to Wunderground, it's still showing the unadjusted measurements.  I cannot figure out how to get the adjusted readings on Wunderground.  By the way, I checked other weather stations in my area and it seems some are having the same issue as some have similar unadjusted barometric readings as I have, others are similar to the NSW reading.  Is there a bug in the smarthub firmware that's causing it to be so inaccurate?  I looked at the historical data for both our smarthubs and the inaccuracy started when the new firmare installed, see screenshots below.
Thanks for any help you can provide.
My data
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Parents' data
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Title: Re: myAcurite (the MBW replacement) announced
Post by: nincehelser on October 04, 2016, 01:52:32 PM
The current version does not send the entered offset in myAcuirte to wunderground.

Currently, you can only send "station pressure" or "adjusted pressure" (i.e. "altimeter") to wunderground.

It looks like you are sending station pressure (with no adjustment because it is ignored).  If you leave it this way, wunderground will likely start auto-adjusting for you under their new (unannounced?) policy.

If you send "adjusted pressure", the SmartHUB will use your location elevation to send an altimeter reading to wunderground.

Yeah, the terms are confusing.  I've suggested they use the term "altimeter" instead of "adjusted" in their settings.
Title: Re: myAcurite (the MBW replacement) announced
Post by: Wrog on October 04, 2016, 02:09:22 PM
The current version does not send the entered offset in myAcuirte to wunderground.

Currently, you can only send "station pressure" or "adjusted pressure" (i.e. "altimeter") to wunderground.

It looks like you are sending station pressure (with no adjustment because it is ignored).  If you leave it this way, wunderground will likely start auto-adjusting for you under their new (unannounced?) policy.

If you send "adjusted pressure", the SmartHUB will use your location elevation to send an altimeter reading to wunderground.

Yeah, the terms are confusing.  I've suggested they use the term "altimeter" instead of "adjusted" in their settings.

Thanks for the information, good to know.  I did try the Adjusted Pressure option but it was 0.5" too high.
Title: Re: myAcurite (the MBW replacement) announced
Post by: nincehelser on October 04, 2016, 02:17:12 PM
Thanks for the information, good to know.  I did try the Adjusted Pressure option but it was 0.5" too high.

You might check the elevation as determined by the address of your SmartHUB.  It's based on google maps, and sometimes it is badly off.

If that's the case, there's not much you can do except complain to google.  (yeah, right)

Unfortunately there's no way to correct for that problem in this version.

Another possible issue is that you have a bias in your baro sensor.  If you were using the "Acurite method" of pressure adjustment on the old system, you may not have noticed it as that method automatically removes the bias.  Unfortunately, there's also no way to correct for bias in this version, either.

Probably the easiest way for them to "fix" these problems is just let you send a manual adjustment to wunderground.  Otherwise, they're going to have to add a way to enter an elevation adjustment and a bias adjustment.
Title: Re: myAcurite (the MBW replacement) announced
Post by: Wrog on October 04, 2016, 02:32:16 PM
Thanks for the information, good to know.  I did try the Adjusted Pressure option but it was 0.5" too high.

You might check the elevation as determined by the address of your SmartHUB.  It's based on google maps, and sometimes it is badly off.

If that's the case, there's not much you can do except complain to google.  (yeah, right)

Unfortunately there's no way to correct for that problem in this version.

Another possible issue is that you have a bias in your baro sensor.  If you were using the "Acurite method" of pressure adjustment on the old system, you may not have noticed it as that method automatically removes the bias.  Unfortunately, there's also no way to correct for bias in this version, either.

Probably the easiest way for them to "fix" these problems is just let you send a manual adjustment to wunderground.  Otherwise, they're going to have to add a way to enter an elevation adjustment and a bias adjustment.
I checked the elevation for both smarthubs and they are within a foot of the actual.  I guess I'll try posting on the acurite forums and see if they'll try to add it to the program to send the adjusted value to wunderground.  Just seems logical that if the adjustment needs to be made in myacurite, the same is the case for the data going to wunderground.  ](*,)
Title: Re: myAcurite (the MBW replacement) announced
Post by: nincehelser on October 04, 2016, 02:43:51 PM

I checked the elevation for both smarthubs and they are within a foot of the actual.  I guess I'll try posting on the acurite forums and see if they'll try to add it to the program to send the adjusted value to wunderground.  Just seems logical that if the adjustment needs to be made in myacurite, the same is the case for the data going to wunderground.  ](*,)

Well, if wunderground officially starts auto-adjusting pressure for you, then it won't matter.  Maybe that's why they're not doing it in this version.

Acurite does seem to be a little ahead of wunderground's changes with the station keys, so there's obviously some communication going on between them about what's going to happen that we may not know about.
Title: Re: myAcurite (the MBW replacement) announced
Post by: Wrog on October 04, 2016, 04:23:41 PM
I thought I had done something to get the adjusted information over to wunderground because when I refresh the page and it displays the correct information.  However, after it finishes refreshing the data reverts to the unadjusted number.  Bummer.
Title: Re: myAcurite (the MBW replacement) announced
Post by: nincehelser on October 04, 2016, 04:27:43 PM
I thought I had done something to get the adjusted information over to wunderground because when I refresh the page and it displays the correct information.  However, after it finishes refreshing the data reverts to the unadjusted number.  Bummer.

When wunderground starts adjusting your pressure it does seem to flip-flop for a day or so for no particular reason.

Also, if you have a second device also reporting to the same wunderground station (e.g. Like a PC Connect setup) you might see flip-flops.
Title: Re: myAcurite (the MBW replacement) announced
Post by: Wrog on October 04, 2016, 04:50:33 PM
I guess I'll just leave it alone and hope they work through it somehow.  Any idea how long it takes before they start adjusting it on wunderground?  I upgraded on 8/8, so almost two months and they hadn't adjusted it yet.
Title: Re: myAcurite (the MBW replacement) announced
Post by: nincehelser on October 04, 2016, 04:56:49 PM
I guess I'll just leave it alone and hope they work through it somehow.  Any idea how long it takes before they start adjusting it on wunderground?  I upgraded on 8/8, so almost two months and they hadn't adjusted it yet.

Mine started within a few days to a week.
Title: Re: myAcurite (the MBW replacement) announced
Post by: Inverno on October 04, 2016, 05:29:01 PM
Mine had the same issue, so I stick with Kevin Key's program. Great interface to enter offsets and other options. Awesome program.


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Title: Re: myAcurite (the MBW replacement) announced
Post by: haroldashe on October 04, 2016, 08:32:54 PM
For what it's worth, you can put in an off-set with Meteobridge, too.
Title: Re: myAcurite (the MBW replacement) announced
Post by: Wrog on October 04, 2016, 10:06:41 PM
Mine had the same issue, so I stick with Kevin Key's program. Great interface to enter offsets and other options. Awesome program.


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I was looking at that.  I'll give it a try and see if I can it working.
Title: Re: myAcurite (the MBW replacement) announced
Post by: Wrog on October 04, 2016, 10:37:53 PM
Mine had the same issue, so I stick with Kevin Key's program. Great interface to enter offsets and other options. Awesome program.

Question about Kevin's program, and Meteobridge as well, since the software is on the computer does the computer need to be on all the time?
Title: Re: myAcurite (the MBW replacement) announced
Post by: Bushman on October 04, 2016, 10:56:02 PM
Kevin's program needs a 24/7 PC:  Meteobridge does not.
Title: Re: myAcurite (the MBW replacement) announced
Post by: kevink619 on October 04, 2016, 11:16:37 PM
Mine had the same issue, so I stick with Kevin Key's program. Great interface to enter offsets and other options. Awesome program.

Question about Kevin's program, and Meteobridge as well, since the software is on the computer does the computer need to be on all the time?

I ordered a Raspberry Pi the other day and am going to look into porting my app to it sometime in the near future.

Title: Re: myAcurite (the MBW replacement) announced
Post by: Inverno on October 06, 2016, 11:42:57 AM
The pressure readings using the direct to router connection are so confusing:

Adjusted pressure:  30.15 on WU, 30.45 on myAcurite
Station pressure (0.3 offset):  29.92 on WU, 30.21 on myAcurite

It used to work just fine on the old page.  Why mess it up now?
Title: Re: myAcurite (the MBW replacement) announced
Post by: nincehelser on October 06, 2016, 12:02:18 PM
The pressure readings using the direct to router connection are so confusing:

Adjusted pressure:  30.15 on WU, 30.45 on myAcurite
Station pressure (0.3 offset):  29.92 on WU, 30.21 on myAcurite

It used to work just fine on the old page.  Why mess it up now?

The old firmware put out station pressure.

The new firmware puts out station pressure or altimeter.

If you want what was originally put out by the bridge, use station pressure.
Title: Re: myAcurite (the MBW replacement) announced
Post by: Inverno on October 06, 2016, 12:11:24 PM
This whole problem arises because I want to adjust my pressure reading to align with local airports, but the offset isn't working for me (same as others).

If it uses an altimeter or adjusted pressure, why does mine go up to 30.45?  Shouldn't it go down based on my 184 foot elevation?
Title: Re: myAcurite (the MBW replacement) announced
Post by: nincehelser on October 06, 2016, 12:14:45 PM
This whole problem arises because I want to adjust my pressure reading to align with local airports, but the offset isn't working for me (same as others).

If it uses an altimeter or adjusted pressure, why does mine go up to 30.45?  Shouldn't it go down based on my 184 foot elevation?

Station pressure is less than sea-level pressure because you are above sea-level.  (less atmosphere above you)

So the pressure should go UP based on your 184 foot elevation when you make a sea-level adjustement.
Title: Re: myAcurite (the MBW replacement) announced
Post by: Inverno on October 06, 2016, 12:17:40 PM
Based on this website calculation, my pressure should go down by ~0.2 (29.92 --> 29.72) when adjusted for 184 feet ASL.  This aligns with many other sites I've read.  What am I missing?

http://www.csgnetwork.com/barcorrecthcalc.html
Title: Re: myAcurite (the MBW replacement) announced
Post by: nincehelser on October 06, 2016, 12:46:20 PM
Based on this website calculation, my pressure should go down by ~0.2 (29.92 --> 29.72) when adjusted for 184 feet ASL.  This aligns with many other sites I've read.  What am I missing?

http://www.csgnetwork.com/barcorrecthcalc.html

I think the problem is that he's looking at it differently.  He's taking the reading of a barometer calibrated to a sea-level reading, and converting it to what the ACTUAL pressure would be, likely for use in a chemistry or physics context.

What you want is the reverse.  You have a barometer calibrated to vacuum (the actual pressure) and want to convert it to a sea-level reading.
Title: Re: myAcurite (the MBW replacement) announced
Post by: Inverno on October 06, 2016, 12:49:33 PM
The crappy part is that WU is not receiving either of them properly from myAcurite.
Title: Re: myAcurite (the MBW replacement) announced
Post by: nincehelser on October 06, 2016, 12:52:07 PM
The crappy part is that WU is not receiving either of them properly from myAcurite.

Well, that's the bad part about wunderground auto-adjusting without telling people exactly what they are doing.  It definitely throws a wrench into things.

Also, the pressure reading is not being sent by myAcurite.  It's being sent by the SmartHUB directly.
Title: Re: myAcurite (the MBW replacement) announced
Post by: Inverno on October 06, 2016, 12:55:20 PM
Yes I meant SmartHub.  How can Kevin Key's program get past what WU adjusts for though and Acurite cant?  Kevin's program has an offset that works just fine.
Title: Re: myAcurite (the MBW replacement) announced
Post by: nincehelser on October 06, 2016, 12:57:32 PM
Yes I meant SmartHub.  How can Kevin Key's program get past what WU adjusts for though and Acurite cant?  Kevin's program has an offset that works just fine.

Because there is no provision to apply a manual adjustment to wunderground at this time.  That's a known issue that has been reported.
Title: Re: myAcurite (the MBW replacement) announced
Post by: Inverno on October 06, 2016, 01:14:04 PM
The old aculink website worked fine with the offset to the best of my knowledge.  How can their be "unknowns" now?  That is odd.
Title: Re: myAcurite (the MBW replacement) announced
Post by: DoctorKnow on October 06, 2016, 01:16:57 PM
I had to go down -.090 I believe it was on my settings. (Meteobridge)
Title: Re: myAcurite (the MBW replacement) announced
Post by: Inverno on October 06, 2016, 01:18:20 PM
Meteobridge and Kevin's program work fine with an offset but doing it through MyAcurite does not work.  In Kevin's program I used 0.3 and it worked flawlessly.  I'm just trying to get away from tying up my computer all the time.
Title: Re: myAcurite (the MBW replacement) announced
Post by: DoctorKnow on October 06, 2016, 01:22:44 PM
My acurite is 0.100 high for me. I have passed on a few ideas to acurite, and in the beginning I told them about the pressure issue. I expect as soon as things cool down they will attempt to add some other options.
Title: Re: myAcurite (the MBW replacement) announced
Post by: nincehelser on October 06, 2016, 01:33:48 PM
The old aculink website worked fine with the offset to the best of my knowledge.  How can their be "unknowns" now?  That is odd.

Because wunderground is also making changes at the same time, like now auto-adjusting the pressure readings.

It's frustrating, but not "odd".

Some have sent requests to wunderground to stop the auto-adjustments.  You might give that a try.
Title: Re: myAcurite (the MBW replacement) announced
Post by: kevink619 on October 09, 2016, 03:33:09 AM
Latest version is 2016.10.08.2336 and includes the following changes:


http://kevin-key.blogspot.com/2014/09/new-version-is-now-available-for.html
Title: Re: myAcurite (the MBW replacement) announced
Post by: daman on October 12, 2016, 08:45:08 PM
I noticed tonight WU is being updated but my Acurite page is not, why would that be?
Title: Re: myAcurite (the MBW replacement) announced
Post by: haroldashe on October 12, 2016, 11:08:50 PM
WU updates come from the hub itself, not myAcuRite.  So, for some reason, your sensor information is not getting to myAcuRite.  When did your dashboard last update?
Title: Re: myAcurite (the MBW replacement) announced
Post by: daman on October 13, 2016, 05:56:50 PM
WU updates come from the hub itself, not myAcuRite.  So, for some reason, your sensor information is not getting to myAcuRite.  When did your dashboard last update?
Last night it finally updated, it would update but slow compared to WU.
Title: Re: myAcurite (the MBW replacement) announced
Post by: nincehelser on October 13, 2016, 08:17:14 PM
WU updates come from the hub itself, not myAcuRite.  So, for some reason, your sensor information is not getting to myAcuRite.  When did your dashboard last update?
Last night it finally updated, it would update but slow compared to WU.

From the Facebook forum it sounds like they're doing some database work this evening that should help with performance issues.
Title: Re: myAcurite (the MBW replacement) announced
Post by: skysummit on October 13, 2016, 11:55:55 PM
Latest version is 2016.10.08.2336 and includes the following changes:

  • Rain in the last 24 hours and rain in the last hour values finally work properly. Acu-Rite resets these values at midnight and every hour on the hour, but some of the weather networks want the rain in the past hour ongoing and rain in the past 24 hours ongoing values. The day in the past day value is still included as well. NOTE: Since I use the server's time-of-day in calculating these values, be sure that you have the correct location of your weather station specified on Acu-Rite's website.
  • Removed the "You're using the old firmware" check. Some false positives were reported and I figured that this logic wasn't really necessary after all.
  • When you first start the app, it will tell you what data it's waiting to acquire before it begins posting to the weather networks. This should take less than a minute.
  • NOTE: The three DLL files included in the ZIP have been updated - be sure to replace your existing DLLs with the new ones.

http://kevin-key.blogspot.com/2014/09/new-version-is-now-available-for.html

I'm guessing you just sent another update?  I downloaded it tonight, and I want to say I saw 2016.10.13?  I also saw an area beneath where the "Global ID" is that I do not recognize.  Nevertheless, it's working for me :D
Title: Re: myAcurite (the MBW replacement) announced
Post by: kevink619 on October 14, 2016, 12:24:27 AM
Latest version is 2016.10.08.2336 and includes the following changes:

  • Rain in the last 24 hours and rain in the last hour values finally work properly. Acu-Rite resets these values at midnight and every hour on the hour, but some of the weather networks want the rain in the past hour ongoing and rain in the past 24 hours ongoing values. The day in the past day value is still included as well. NOTE: Since I use the server's time-of-day in calculating these values, be sure that you have the correct location of your weather station specified on Acu-Rite's website.
  • Removed the "You're using the old firmware" check. Some false positives were reported and I figured that this logic wasn't really necessary after all.
  • When you first start the app, it will tell you what data it's waiting to acquire before it begins posting to the weather networks. This should take less than a minute.
  • NOTE: The three DLL files included in the ZIP have been updated - be sure to replace your existing DLLs with the new ones.

http://kevin-key.blogspot.com/2014/09/new-version-is-now-available-for.html

I'm guessing you just sent another update?  I downloaded it tonight, and I want to say I saw 2016.10.13?  I also saw an area beneath where the "Global ID" is that I do not recognize.  Nevertheless, it's working for me :D

Yeah, build 2016.10.13.0004 is the latest and greatest. The "Vera" options are for pushing the temperature and humidity data to a Vera home automation controller.
Title: Re: myAcurite (the MBW replacement) announced
Post by: Jack Bowman on October 15, 2016, 10:14:25 AM
Thanks Kevin! Great stuff !!!
Title: Re: myAcurite (the MBW replacement) announced
Post by: daman on October 16, 2016, 05:07:13 PM
WU updates come from the hub itself, not myAcuRite.  So, for some reason, your sensor information is not getting to myAcuRite.  When did your dashboard last update?
Last night it finally updated, it would update but slow compared to WU.

From the Facebook forum it sounds like they're doing some database work this evening that should help with performance issues.
Must still be having issues?

 I see WU is getting updated much more then myAcuRite Page.
Title: Re: myAcurite (the MBW replacement) announced
Post by: Inverno on October 30, 2016, 07:22:43 AM
Currently my Acurite is showing 56 degrees, 88% humidity while WU and my home console are reporting 51 degrees and 94% humidity. How is that possible?
Title: Re: myAcurite (the MBW replacement) announced
Post by: Bushman on October 30, 2016, 10:34:38 AM
Timing?
Title: Re: myAcurite (the MBW replacement) announced
Post by: Inverno on October 30, 2016, 11:15:31 AM
Must be.... It's saying the latest update is 7am but it's 11am here
Title: Re: myAcurite (the MBW replacement) announced
Post by: DoctorKnow on October 30, 2016, 11:54:00 AM
Did you lose the signal from sensor to bridge? Maybe reboot the smarthub...
Title: Re: myAcurite (the MBW replacement) announced
Post by: Inverno on October 30, 2016, 12:32:33 PM
What's odd is my tower sensor is tracking fine but 5 in 1 showing off timing
Title: Re: myAcurite (the MBW replacement) announced
Post by: nincehelser on December 31, 2016, 01:48:17 PM
FYI-

MyAcurite now allows for the manual adjustment of elevation data.  Latitude, longitude, and time zone can also be tweaked.

As a result, "Adjusted pressure" (i.e. altimeter) can now be fine tuned without the reliance on Google Maps elevation data.

It should also solve the location issue for people in countries outside Acurite's marketing area.  I've no idea what that might mean for forecasts, though. 

There doesn't appear to be any adjustment for baro sensor bias, but I guess you could tweak that a bit through the elevation setting.
Title: Re: myAcurite (the MBW replacement) announced
Post by: Inverno on December 31, 2016, 01:52:17 PM
What about the rain reset fix that only helped some of the customers and not all? Mine (and others) is still resetting while some are claiming theirs is fixed.


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Title: Re: myAcurite (the MBW replacement) announced
Post by: nincehelser on December 31, 2016, 01:55:16 PM
What about the rain reset fix that only helped some of the customers and not all? Mine (and others) is still resetting while some are claiming theirs is fixed.


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No word on that.  That's where some network monitoring could be useful to see what is happening.
Title: Re: myAcurite (the MBW replacement) announced
Post by: Inverno on December 31, 2016, 01:57:45 PM
Acurite reps told me it is on their end and there was/is nothing I can do as they investigated.


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Title: Re: myAcurite (the MBW replacement) announced
Post by: nincehelser on December 31, 2016, 02:04:28 PM
Acurite reps told me it is on their end and there was/is nothing I can do as they investigated.


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That's fine if it satisfies you. 

If it's something they are passing back in the data to the SmartHUB, you would be able to see it, though.
Title: Re: myAcurite (the MBW replacement) announced
Post by: Inverno on December 31, 2016, 02:12:57 PM
I guess if you have the time. I do not, so I trust the manufacturer will find something.


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