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Weather Station Hardware => AcuRite Weather Stations => Topic started by: benay ra'am on August 20, 2017, 04:05:51 PM
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What's this all about?
https://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_noss?url=search-alias%3Daps&field-keywords=Acurite+Atlas
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Out of stock x3. BFD.
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It gives us a hint of where the MSRP is. So I assume the Atlas Elite will be $400 (or more).
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At least we have an idea at the final street price.....
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Great info. Who cares if it's out of stock? This is more than we've seen or heard recently, at least from what I know. Nice to know pricing.
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sweet if that will be the price I can handle that!! \:D/ \:D/
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I would be in line for the Atlas Sensor if they are going to be backward compatible to the acurite's fairly new HD Display.
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Nice find! Now we have an idea of the price. I have to imagine it'll be out soon if it's showing up on Amazon like that.
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https://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_noss_2/140-3650678-2259237?url=search-alias%3Daps&field-keywords=acurite+atlas
Wow! The Atlas Elite is listed at $599 on amazon. Steeper than I thought. At that rate you can pay about a hundred bucks more to get a VP2 with FARS and the loggers to get it online.
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Hard to know any details by reading Amazon's descriptions, but it seems to me that the new HD Display is going to be a WI-FI hotspot and be an replacement for the Smarthub.
$199.99 - Atlas 7 & Smarthub
$199.99 - Atlas 7 & WI-FI HD Display
$299.99 - Atlas 8 with Lightning Detector & WI-FI HD Display
$599.99 - Elite & WI-FI HD Display
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It'll be interesting to see how well these units are constructed (esp. compared to Davis). FTC should have lots of details online now.
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Looks like just the Atlas Elite is showing up now in the link Chief posted.
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On their own forum, Acurite is still declining to comment on price or any other details about the Atlas series. I suspect they asked Amazon to remove the preorder pages until they are ready to officially announce the product release.
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Thank you for your continued interest and patience regarding the upcoming AcuRite Atlas family of products. As we are working on our product testing to ensure we deliver the best product to customers, we are also preparing for the upcoming release by updating our retail channels with product details. Unfortunately, some of these test pages containing placeholder pricing and content were accidentally published.
We apologize for any confusion this has created. We will be sharing more details on the upcoming AcuRite Atlas products in the next few weeks through our website and this forum. As we wrote in our last update, we are doing everything we can to ensure our new AcuRite Atlas family of products performs to our expectations with the goal of exceeding your expectations with the final product.
Again, please accept our apologies and thank you for your continued patience.
Larry
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my question is, will they have UV stabilised plastics and longer life stainless steel and bearings?
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I think a lot of us are waiting for unanswered questions ... like ... if you calibrate the sensors, will the calibrated values be sent to WU or will it just send the raw data from the sensors?
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my question is, will they have UV stabilised plastics and longer life stainless steel and bearings?
One-word translation: Reliability!
...or l-o-n-g MTBF.
Well, if they intend to charge Davis-like prices, they better have Davis-like quality. That said, my 5-1 is going on three years now and neither rain, nor sleet nor hail or screaming hot has affected its lower class plastics. How much longer, I dunno. But for under a hundred bucks I can happily replace it all.
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my question is, will they have UV stabilised plastics and longer life stainless steel and bearings?
One-word translation: Reliability!
...or l-o-n-g MTBF.
That's true, but things do change. If these new Atlas Units go the distant of 5+ years, Davis might, might take notice, but in the mean time they are yawning like the major Auto MFG did when KIA came on the scene a number of years ago and look where they are today.
Is Acurite going to go the Distant? Who Knows, 5 years is a long time for the Number of Failures vs good units choochin' in the field. I'm hoping my Acurite system will at least go 2-3 trouble free years as long I do my part with PM.
BTY, My Vantage PRO2 is scheduled to be here tomorrow and I'll have both flags flying...................
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my question is, will they have UV stabilised plastics and longer life stainless steel and bearings?
One-word translation: Reliability!
...or l-o-n-g MTBF.
Well, if they intend to charge Davis-like prices, they better have Davis-like quality. That said, my 5-1 is going on three years now and neither rain, nor sleet nor hail or screaming hot has affected its lower class plastics. How much longer, I dunno. But for under a hundred bucks I can happily replace it all.
We certainly live in a disposable society now, my PWS isn't one of them. Spending money every other year to replace something that I expect to last much longer than that is a simple waste of time and money. Even if my VP2 was falling apart at the seams now (not even close after 10+ years in the Az. sun), I'd still pick up an another VP2 before the Atlas. The VP2 continues to prove itself to me and will take more than new AcuRite to change my mind, sensors included. Just my 2 cents...
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Yeah but CW2274, your VP2 will be like Triggers broom i bet, let me explain with a video lol
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s1VNNbSYdt0
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Yeah but CW2274, your VP2 will be like Triggers broom i bet, let me explain with a video lol
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s1VNNbSYdt0
The only two things my VP2 has over stock is the fan and the SHT31, only because their was no such thing when I bought it, as it came with an 11. Structurally, it's exactly as I bought it, not one piece replaced.
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Ive had my OS 968 since 2007, its had new anny's and outside temp still the same structure, my would deffo be up for debate
as to whether its still the same, console is mind :)
I am surprised ya bearings have lasted so long and ya reed switches for that matter :shock:
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I am surprised ya bearings have lasted so long and ya reed switches for that matter :shock:
I was speaking only of the ISS. The anny has been replaced, but not due to mechanical failure, but due to a large flying object hitting and destroying it. It was about 6. :cry:
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I feel ya....
So, in effect, it could be up for debate on the Theseus's paradox really, i mean, at what point does it stop being the same when parts
have been replaced, You say yours is not even close to failing at 10+ years, but in reality, the main items to fail have been replaced.
See what i mean, Triggers Broom, My OS is like 5 of triggers brooms lol
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You say yours is not even close to failing at 10+ years, but in reality, the main items to fail have been replaced.
Ahhh, not quite. The solar panel running the fan and charging the batteries worked fine until no longer needed, the tipper, at least mechanically works fine, the transmitter, it's solar panel and subsequent super-cap are still original too. And as I've already stated, having an ISS structurally last in this brutal sun for ten summers is something lesser PWS would likely not.
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I have a VP2, soon 10y, in the north European winters (humidity stays basicly at 100% for months, temp jojo's between wet and frozen etc) and only pieces replaced are the temp/hum-sensor and rainpot reedswitch. 8-)
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Acurite Deleted the Amazon Post at Acurite Forums but Amazon still shows the Atlas Elite at $599, but this will disappear pretty soon too...............
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I've missed a lot of stuff while I have been dealing with remodeling my house. I hope to keep updated from now on! The pricing is higher than I expected if those are reality.
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I agree. It's not worth the money untill it's proven reliability. A higher price can be expected on a products debut. I'm going to wait till next year on this one, since my Ambient 1001 is working fine so far. Except for it turning yellow as they all do.
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I can't see anything on Amazon anymore they must have deleted it. Would have been interesting to see ](*,)
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I saved the links they are still active, but the prices have been removed.
$199.99 - Atlas 7 & Smarthub
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B074XK4BSN/_encoding=UTF8?coliid=IYMOKVOU6OIQ0&colid=MUG0SDO321YO
$199.99 - Atlas 7 & WI-FI HD Display
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B074XK7GRQ/_encoding=UTF8?coliid=IAG5RT904PQVA&colid=MUG0SDO321YO
$299.99 - Atlas 8 with Lightning Detector & WI-FI HD Display
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B074XKB239/_encoding=UTF8?coliid=I5K2SC1HCQXGH&colid=MUG0SDO321YO
$599.99 - Elite & WI-FI HD Display
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B074ZM5D5P/_encoding=UTF8?coliid=I1FD6EKQA6PXRS&colid=MUG0SDO321YO
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Bump
New pictures and updated stuff posted on Amazon!
$199.11 - AcuRite Atlas Remote Monitoring
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B074XK4BSN/_encoding=UTF8?coliid=IYMOKVOU6OIQ0&colid=MUG0SDO321YO
AcuRite Atlas with Indoor HD Touch Screen Display
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B074XK7GRQ/_encoding=UTF8?coliid=IAG5RT904PQVA&colid=MUG0SDO321YO
AcuRite Atlas with Lightning Detection https://www.amazon.com/dp/B074XKB239/_encoding=UTF8?coliid=I5K2SC1HCQXGH&colid=MUG0SDO321YO
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The new HD display shown with the Atlas has two improvements that I can see over the old HD display-- temps are reported in tenths, and indoor data is shown on main page. Definitely improvements to their old HD display. (Also lumens and UV are shown which the 5 in 1 didn't measure).
This Amazon listing must be in advance of release-- Acurite couldn't make the same mistake twice in listing erroneously. (Or could they?)
And of course the other big question is: What about the Atlas Elite?
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The smarthub looks new and completely different than the existing one. It doesn’t appear any of the current stuff (Smarthub, HD Display) is going to be compatible with the new Atlas line.
I won’t be upgrading to the Atlas line if I can’t use my existing smarthub and HD display. I'll wait until my 5-N-1 dies.
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Cool! Some nice pics of the complete setups...and a little information on pricing.
That new display is really sharp looking.
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And temporarily unavailable. Chaney blew it - Black Friday/Cyber Monday is gone and so is there Christmas season.
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I suspect this latest posting on Amazon is just another unintended screw up by someone at Acurite. Their employee, AcuRite Rachell, just posted this on their company forum an hour ago: "At this time we have no further information to release on the Atlas system. When we have more information we will update our users on the community forum. Thank you."
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"another unintended screw up" translation = "carrot on a stick" :shock:
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The smarthub looks new and completely different than the existing one. It doesn’t appear any of the current stuff (Smarthub, HD Display) is going to be compatible with the new Atlas line.
I won’t be upgrading to the Atlas line if I can’t use my existing smarthub and HD display. I'll wait until my 5-N-1 dies.
I'll go further than that as I'm invested in Two HD Displays, if the 5-in-1 goes TU, I'll buy another 5-in-1 Sensor, they are Chinese cheap anyways. Now if the HD Displays goes TU, I'm done with Acurite. This is FUBARed beyond belief if the current HD Displays are not combatible with the Atlas 7/8 :evil:..................
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I'm just going to leave this Google find right here, with a footnote that they have nothing about the Elite in their staged knowledge base web site as of today.....
https://kbase-staging.myacurite.com/web/content/monitor/sensors/atlas-weather-station.htm?tocpath=Monitoring%7CYour%20Dashboard%7C_____1 (https://kbase-staging.myacurite.com/web/content/monitor/sensors/atlas-weather-station.htm?tocpath=Monitoring%7CYour%20Dashboard%7C_____1)
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I'm just going to leave this Google find right here, with a footnote that they have nothing about the Elite in their staged knowledge base web site as of today.....
https://kbase-staging.myacurite.com/web/content/monitor/sensors/atlas-weather-station.htm?tocpath=Monitoring%7CYour%20Dashboard%7C_____1 (https://kbase-staging.myacurite.com/web/content/monitor/sensors/atlas-weather-station.htm?tocpath=Monitoring%7CYour%20Dashboard%7C_____1)
That's funny, why are they ( Acurite ) showing a 5-in-1?...............
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That's funny, why are they ( Acurite ) showing a 5-in-1?...............
This is apparently a staging web site for the MyAcuRite web help files. They are apparently showing all known devices for their next MyAcuRite release, which will support the Atlas (not the Atlas Elite) and the older sensors. Not seeing the Elite in the staged help screens or the spy photos from Chaney HQ a few months ago tells me not to hold my breath for the Elite any time soon. Note that the batch of Amazon "leaks" posted today were missing the Elite.
If you read a little bit deeper, you will see that they are claiming that the new Atlas will talk with the old smartHUB, in addition to the new 7-device "AcuRite Access" hub. The second and third paragraphs conflict about whether PC Connect would be supported for the Atlas, and there's a note in another part of the site that PC Connect will not work with the new consoles. Do they even have USB?
Having some experience decoding the Acu-Rite over-the-air protocol, seeing that the new Atlas sensors are working on the same 433Mhz frequency as the current 5-in-1 hardware does not guarantee Atlas compatibility with the older consoles. At least from this documentation, it looks like your best case would be re-using your smartHUB if replacing a 5-in-1. I highly doubt that the current consoles will understand the new Atlas packet types, especially the wonky wind direction scheme if the Atlas does more than 16-point readings and actually reads true degree directions.....
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It also bears noting that the Elite's writeup on Amazon claims significantly improved radio range, and wifi included in the console for retrieving weather forecasts from MyAcuRite for local display. This would imply that the Elite has a built-in bridge/hub, and probably won't be radio-compatible with the 5-in-1 or the regular Atlas models when they are released. If I'm correct and this all verifies, they are seriously far away from having a shippable Elite station right now.....
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It also bears noting that the Elite's writeup on Amazon claims significantly improved radio range, and wifi included in the console for retrieving weather forecasts from MyAcuRite for local display. This would imply that the Elite has a built-in bridge/hub, and probably won't be radio-compatible with the 5-in-1 or the regular Atlas models when they are released. If I'm correct and this all verifies, they are seriously far away from having a shippable Elite station right now.....
The Atlas Elite will be using a different frequency than the Atlas and previous Acurite products.
I'm not sure I understand why you think it would make it "seriously far away", though.
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The smarthub looks new and completely different than the existing one. It doesn’t appear any of the current stuff (Smarthub, HD Display) is going to be compatible with the new Atlas line.
I won’t be upgrading to the Atlas line if I can’t use my existing smarthub and HD display. I'll wait until my 5-N-1 dies.
I'll go further than that as I'm invested in Two HD Displays, if the 5-in-1 goes TU, I'll buy another 5-in-1 Sensor, they are Chinese cheap anyways. Now if the HD Displays goes TU, I'm done with Acurite. This is FUBARed beyond belief if the current HD Displays are not combatible with the Atlas 7/8 :evil:..................
As far as I'm aware, Acurite has never deployed an "upgradeable" display between models.
I'm not sure why you would expect that to change. I guess it could, but given that there seems to be no way for a user to upgrade the firmware in the displays, how would they deploy such an upgrade?
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Well, far away since nothing has even passed FCC OET certification.
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Well, far away since nothing has even passed FCC OET certification.
You put too much faith in those databases.
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I suspect this latest posting on Amazon is just another unintended screw up by someone at Acurite. Their employee, AcuRite Rachell, just posted this on their company forum an hour ago: "At this time we have no further information to release on the Atlas system. When we have more information we will update our users on the community forum. Thank you."
I'm not sure the postings on Amazon have anything to do with Acurite. The product details always say "sold by Amazon."
I've always assumed that meant Amazon is a reseller.
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Well, far away since nothing has even passed FCC OET certification.
You put too much faith in those databases.
Of course it is totally legal to sell devices that do not have FCC approval. LOL
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Well, far away since nothing has even passed FCC OET certification.
You put too much faith in those databases.
Of course it is totally legal to sell devices that do not have FCC approval. LOL
"FCC approval" doesn't mean the public databases are up-to-date.
There are also changes the FCC has made in the past few years, such as making a "Declaration of Conformity" all that is necessary in some cases. I don't know the details on that, but I have noticed I'm getting more and more gadgets with such statements in their documentation over the past few years.
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I'm not sure I understand why you think it would make it "seriously far away", though.
Small engineering/development team, brand new (to them) radio technology where they apparently aren't just re-hashing the old modules, no Elite info on their staged help files, no QC testing at the Chaney HQ sensor farm, and no hidden re-list on Amazon despite the other Atlas stuff going live and apparently being available for pre-order. Chaney's core competency is mass consumer products at a retail price point, and the leaked $599 street price (Davis money) is probably not going to sell much further than the participants in this thread.
I'm giving them the benefit of the doubt and still believing that they will ship the Elite *some day*, but my gut feeling from the available evidence is that the product will probably not ship ever given the price tag and niche market.....
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I'm not sure I understand why you think it would make it "seriously far away", though.
Small engineering/development team, brand new (to them) radio technology where they apparently aren't just re-hashing the old modules, no Elite info on their staged help files, no QC testing at the Chaney HQ sensor farm, and no hidden re-list on Amazon despite the other Atlas stuff going live and apparently being available for pre-order. Chaney's core competency is mass consumer products at a retail price point, and the leaked $599 street price (Davis money) is probably not going to sell much further than the participants in this thread.
I'm giving them the benefit of the doubt and still believing that they will ship the Elite *some day*, but my gut feeling from the available evidence is that the product will probably not ship ever given the price tag and niche market.....
Chaney, Chaney, Chaney....
No one ever talks about who owns Chaney or what expertise and resources they bring to the table.
:grin:
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"....the leaked $599 street price (Davis money) is probably not going to sell much further than the participants in this thread....."
If ever the Elite is as solidly built as Davis, has modern, accurate, prosumer level data displays, and prosumer level methods to acquire and display data on one's own computer without convoluted and problematic workarounds, I then think participants in this thread and others will be willing to invest $600. (I'm probably missing some important items on this punch list). For every item above not accomplished, deduct $50 from the Amazon price and/or deduct a percentage of sales to serious hobbyists.
That said, I presume that most here are rooting for Chaney (aka Acurite) to succeed in their endeavor and shake up the pws market and give Davis some serious competition.
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that is part of the reason I have stayed away from Davis. I like the nerd side of the weather station, I like the data, the graphs etc. my wife and kids just want a nice looking display on the wall they can read the current temp, rain, and wind speed along with wind chill in the winter.
If davis could make a better display that is more user friendly and aesthetically pleasing I would fork out the money.
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I wonder if Acurite will exhibit at CES 2018 which is less than 6 weeks away. Last I looked on the confirmed exhibitor list they weren't listed, but that list was still pretty short. Since they announced the Atlas at CES 2017 and haven't delivered a year later, do they re-announce it at CES 2018 like it is a brand new idea? Do they drop the Elite and just promote the 7/8 series as shown in the Amazon listings? Do they pretend the Atlas was never mentioned in the first place and announce something completely new? It will be interesting to see what they do.
Correction: Acurite is listed as a CES 2018 exhibitor: Booth: Sands, Halls A-D - 40961 (Smart Home Marketplace)
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I wonder if Acurite will exhibit at CES 2018 which is less than 6 weeks away. Last I looked on the confirmed exhibitor list they weren't listed, but that list was still pretty short. Since they announced the Atlas at CES 2017 and haven't delivered a year later, do they re-announce it at CES 2018 like it is a brand new idea? Do they drop the Elite and just promote the 7/8 series as shown in the Amazon listings? Do they pretend the Atlas was never mentioned in the first place and announce something completely new? It will be interesting to see what they do.
Correction: Acurite is listed as a CES 2018 exhibitor: Booth: Sands, Halls A-D - 40961 (Smart Home Marketplace)
The most likely scenario that you forgot:
They'll show the Atlas and Atlas Elite as companies would normally show their products at a trade show.
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If davis could make a better display that is more user friendly and aesthetically pleasing I would fork out the money.
Can you afford $49 for a full color 7" touchscreen weather console?
(https://images.hvtraffic.com/images/2017/11/29/20171129235056-77128121.png)
Think outside the ancient weather console and outdoor sensors layout box! China is already mass-producing generic presentation layer devices at a price point that no PWS manufacturer could hit on their niche sales, just add the available web-based WX software and of course some double-faced tape to stick it to the wall.
As for who owns Chaney, a better question is what good has come from IBM's ownership of WU?????
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:roll: It still astounds me how folks want to buy a scientific instrument and care more about how it looks than performs. I'll be sticking with my accurate, reliable, boring, ten year old Davis.
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:roll: It still astounds me how folks want to buy a scientific instrument and care more about how it looks than performs. I'll be sticking with my accurate, reliable, boring, ten year old Davis.
+1
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Different degrees of users. Some people want a lot of very accurate data and aren't worried about presentation. Other people want data that's laid out in an aesthetically pleasing way.
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Different degrees of users. Some people want a lot of very accurate data and aren't worried about presentation. Other people want data that's laid out in an aesthetically pleasing way.
Pretty much that. I suspect that the lion's share of Davis income comes from business and research users who don't care so much what it looks like.
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:roll: It still astounds me how folks want to buy a scientific instrument and care more about how it looks than performs. I'll be sticking with my accurate, reliable, boring, ten year old Davis.
Are you married? so of us have to live with the WAF (wife approval factor) as well...
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:roll: It still astounds me how folks want to buy a scientific instrument and care more about how it looks than performs. I'll be sticking with my accurate, reliable, boring, ten year old Davis.
Are you married? so of us have to live with the WAF (wife approval factor) as well...
I get that. What so hideous about this compared to whatever? https://sep.yimg.com/ca/I/yhst-37697109791737_2270_271224656
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I get that. What so hideous about this compared to whatever? https://sep.yimg.com/ca/I/yhst-37697109791737_2270_271224656
Looks like a controller out of my dad's old combine circa 1990.
Hey. you asked! :lol:
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I get that. What so hideous about this compared to whatever? https://sep.yimg.com/ca/I/yhst-37697109791737_2270_271224656
Looks like a controller out of my dad's old combine circa 1990.
Hey. you asked! :lol:
Must be me then. I still very happily use a 40 year old turntable to play my 40 year old records too, and damn does it sound good.
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Looks like a controller out of my dad's old combine circa 1990.
Hey. you asked! :lol:
I was going to say that it looked like my father's weather station in 1990, but it wouldn't be a joke and was also made by Davis.
Back in the summer, I was 100% ready to pull the trigger and buy a Davis station when my 5-in-1 was going through one of its random address change fits every few days. The show-stopper *was* the console, not for aesthetics reasons but rather because it was more or less required to pry the data out of the sensors without having to sell an organ or take a second mortgage out. All of the third party data options were on month-long backorder at the time, so I just toughed it out and waited until the sunspot cycle or whatever was whacking out the 5-in-1 stopped.
Davis and I have bad blood going back to the early 1990's, when I was working for a non-profit organization and they charged us more than one of their stations costs today for the serial port API documentation on a photocopied page along with a floppy with some useless MS-DOS sample code. They made my employer sign an NDA as part of the purchase order, that not only blocked giving way the API info but also wouldn't allow us to give away the code that we developed. It doesn't look like things have gotten any better with them 25 years later.....
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:roll: It still astounds me how folks want to buy a scientific instrument and care more about how it looks than performs. I'll be sticking with my accurate, reliable, boring, ten year old Davis.
Are you married? so of us have to live with the WAF (wife approval factor) as well...
I get that. What so hideous about this compared to whatever? https://sep.yimg.com/ca/I/yhst-37697109791737_2270_271224656
I could just picture how that conversation would go down in a typical household:
Husband: "Check out my new weather station! Look at all the data!"
Wife: "You paid $600+. Why does the display look like a digital watch from 1987?"
:lol:
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:roll: It still astounds me how folks want to buy a scientific instrument and care more about how it looks than performs. I'll be sticking with my accurate, reliable, boring, ten year old Davis.
Are you married? so of us have to live with the WAF (wife approval factor) as well...
I get that. What so hideous about this compared to whatever? https://sep.yimg.com/ca/I/yhst-37697109791737_2270_271224656
I could just picture how that conversation would go down in a typical household:
Husband: "Check out my new weather station! Look at all the data!"
Wife: "You paid $600+. Why does the display look like a digital watch from 1987?"
:lol:
Evidently I live in an atypical household. :roll:
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]Evidently I live in an atypical household. :roll:
Do you do wash your clothes in the kitchen?
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]Evidently I live in an atypical household. :roll:
Do you do wash your clothes in the kitchen?
Ha ha. However my machine is 20 years old. Does that make me a bad person, or just a smelly one? :-"
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:roll: It still astounds me how folks want to buy a scientific instrument and care more about how it looks than performs. I'll be sticking with my accurate, reliable, boring, ten year old Davis.
Are you married? so of us have to live with the WAF (wife approval factor) as well...
I get that. What so hideous about this compared to whatever? https://sep.yimg.com/ca/I/yhst-37697109791737_2270_271224656
Nothing wrong with that. I have 2 HD Displays but I like my VP2 Display more. It has really grown on me in a big way. I also like the Vu Meters on my Audio equipment along with my Analog Chronometer Watch. Then again if I want color data from Davis, I just look at the WL or Cumulus on my Laptop 8-)...........................