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Weather Station Hardware => AcuRite Weather Stations => Topic started by: nincehelser on September 17, 2018, 07:38:18 PM
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https://www.acurite.com
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I don't know about anyone else, but I'm grabbing my arctic parka.....
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https://www.amazon.com/dp/B074XKB239/?coliid=I5K2SC1HCQXGH&colid=MUG0SDO321YO&psc=0&ref_=lv_ov_lig_dp_it
So is the $274.21 price on Amazon for the Atlas, Access, Monitor and lightning detection a VALID price! Its $115 cheaper than acurite.com.
I'd be temped to order the $274.21 price from Amazon if I didn't already have an Access.
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I don't know about anyone else, but I'm grabbing my arctic parka.....
:lol: :lol: ...gotta love it ...
Now that the Atlas 7/8 is official will we start hearing something about the status/future of the Elite? It seems to me that the Elite is where most of the user enthusiasm was when they announced the Atlas 20 months ago.
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Now that there is a 30ft wind extension option for the Atlas, the only difference I see between the Atlas and Elite are update times and the 915 MHZ RF signal. Don't really see a need for a Elite version.
Sensor Comparison Chart - AcuRite
https://www.acurite.com/media/documents/AcuRite-Sensor-Comparison-Chart.pdf
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Now that there is a 30ft wind extension option for the Atlas, the only difference I see between the Atlas and Elite are update times and the 915 MHZ RF signal. Don't really see a need for a Elite version.
Sensor Comparison Chart - AcuRite
https://www.acurite.com/media/documents/AcuRite-Sensor-Comparison-Chart.pdf
Does the Elite require the Access device like the 7/8 does?
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Now that there is a 30ft wind extension option for the Atlas, the only difference I see between the Atlas and Elite are update times and the 915 MHZ RF signal. Don't really see a need for a Elite version.
That's likely the way the majority of their current customers are going to see it.
I think we're going to see a different marketing plan for the Elite catering to the advanced hobbiest and professional.
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Does the Elite require the Access device like the 7/8 does?
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No. It will be a different system.
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Any links to the Wind Extension only (model: 06072M)? I can't find it on the site yet, but it can be ordered as one of the options for the Atlas. It'd be nice if they included it as a freebie in the box when they send the Beta testers the new hardware.
Also interesting to see that the extension cable is simple a USB Mini-B. I guess it makes it nice and simple.
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Any links to the Wind Extension only (model: 06072M)?
Wind Extension only
https://www.acurite.com/atlas-wind-extension.html
Found it on the all products page.
https://www.acurite.com/shop-all-acurite.html
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Interesting pricing model. I wonder if they'll do packages down the road; where you can get the Access, display and Atlas at once...vs. the ala cart they have now.
Other side of the coin: For $149, I could have a running Atlas that would report out with my current Access.
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I know for the 5-N-1 the barometric pressure readings are taken from the SmartHub or the Display.
For the Atlas were are the barometric pressure readings taken?
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Hey folks, happy Atlas day! Barometric pressure readings are sampled in the display. If you go the Access route, the readings are taken in the Access hub.
Any other questions, keep em coming!
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Atlas Display:
Does the Atlas display always show Dew Point readings or does it switch to the Heat Index calculation when temperature is 80°F or higher like the 5-N-1 HD display? I would prefer to always display Dew Point Readings.
Can I display a daily rain fall reading as a midnight to midnight reading? Or is it the last 24 hour reading?
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How do you get the readings onto a website or CWOP? Does the hub output a text file of any kind or are we locked into the AcuRite cloud?
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https://www.amazon.com/dp/B074XKB239/?coliid=I5K2SC1HCQXGH&colid=MUG0SDO321YO&psc=0&ref_=lv_ov_lig_dp_it
So is the $274.21 price on Amazon for the Atlas, Access, Monitor and lightning detection a VALID price! Its $115 cheaper than acurite.com.
I'd be temped to order the $274.21 price from Amazon if I didn't already have an Access.
I'd be tempted too, but Acurite could not get me my discounted hub and then this: "$274.21 + $220.94 Shipping & Import Fees Deposit to Canada"
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Oh, and that is USD so multiply by 1.33 to get CAD. IOW, the price of a Davis.
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I just bit the bullet and ordered a atlas with the wind extension , ought to look nice out there with my 5-1 and my weather-flow, I did not order a hd display as I already have a access and will us online options for now.
By any chance will any of the old displays work with Atlas?
Can,t wait \:D/
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https://www.amazon.com/dp/B074XKB239/?coliid=I5K2SC1HCQXGH&colid=MUG0SDO321YO&psc=0&ref_=lv_ov_lig_dp_it
So is the $274.21 price on Amazon for the Atlas, Access, Monitor and lightning detection a VALID price! Its $115 cheaper than acurite.com.
I'd be temped to order the $274.21 price from Amazon if I didn't already have an Access.
Pretty confident that isn’t valid.
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I was able to add it to my cart as a valid purchase. I canceled but it appears valid.
A couple of hours later and it is showing out of stock
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Does anyone know if this will work with Metobridge and/or WeatherDisplay?
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OK, I currently have a Access and 5in1. If I order an Atlas it will add its data to my current dashboard and see all the data on one page.
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Does anyone know if this will work with Metobridge and/or WeatherDisplay?
You would have to sniff the data from the Access's wunderground feed.
I don't think the author of Meteobridge/Weatherbridge has any plans for that.
Access itself has the potential for supporting other weather networks, but it's up to Acurite to add them.
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Does anyone know if this will work with Metobridge and/or WeatherDisplay?
It does not work with WeatherDisplay and probably not Meteobridge. I'm not sure if Brian plans to support it. Michael Walsh at VisReader has said he is not inclined to support it. Someone may have to create some software to pull the data from the Access.
Chris
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OK, I currently have a Access and 5in1. If I order an Atlas it will add its data to my current dashboard and see all the data on one page.
If you mean your myAcurite dashboard, then yes. You'll need to scroll, though.
Another way to do it is to have a second Access. Usually one would do this for another location. Then they would be arranged as different tabs on your dashboard.
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Hey folks, happy Atlas day! Barometric pressure readings are sampled in the display. If you go the Access route, the readings are taken in the Access hub.
Any other questions, keep em coming!
Welcome Back!
I imagine many of the newer folks here don't know who you are. Have you been up to anything lately? ;)
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Hey folks, happy Atlas day! Barometric pressure readings are sampled in the display. If you go the Access route, the readings are taken in the Access hub.
Any other questions, keep em coming!
When are you guys gonna figure out that there are customers outside the USA? Pretty much impossible to get Acurote products north of the 49th parallel.
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Does anyone know if this will work with Metobridge and/or WeatherDisplay?
You would have to sniff the data from the Access's wunderground feed.
I don't think the author of Meteobridge/Weatherbridge has any plans for that.
Access itself has the potential for supporting other weather networks, but it's up to Acurite to add them.
What is the insane deal with weather station makers insisting that you can only access YOUR DATA from THEIR CHOICE OF WEBSITES? As far as I am concerned this removes Atlas and virtually everything from Ambient Weather from consideration. It is absolutely CHEAPER to just include a USB port and let the OWNER decide what they want to do with THEIR data.
I'm sure that fanboys will screech at me, but AcuRite and Ambient have taken VERY SPECIFIC STEPS TO CONTROL YOUR DATA!
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What is the insane deal with weather station makers insisting that you can only access YOUR DATA from THEIR CHOICE OF WEBSITES? As far as I am concerned this removes Atlas and virtually everything from Ambient Weather from consideration. It is absolutely CHEAPER to just include a USB port and let the OWNER decide what they want to do with THEIR data.
I'm sure that fanboys will screech at me, but AcuRite and Ambient have taken VERY SPECIFIC STEPS TO CONTROL YOUR DATA!
Or you could just pull the data directly from the airwaves with RTL_433.
I expect it won't take long for someone to decode the Atlas transmissions.
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Does anyone know if this will work with Metobridge and/or WeatherDisplay?
It does not work with WeatherDisplay and probably not Meteobridge. I'm not sure if Brian plans to support it. Michael Walsh at VisReader has said he is not inclined to support it. Someone may have to create some software to pull the data from the Access.
How long has the Access been available to the public? Long enough where third parties could have developed support for harvesting data from it if it was possible?
The old Bridge/SmartHub used to send unencrypted packets to MBW as the sensor readings arrived, making them sniffable on the network. My understanding of the Access is that it sends only encrypted summary packets to MyAcuRite, at 5 minute (?) intervals. The only thing being sent out by the Access in real-time is the WU rapid-fire feed, and I'm not sure if that is encrypted in the 21st century or how difficult it would be to man-in-the-middle tap. I have to throw in a disclaimer that I do not own an Access, since I ruled out purchasing one over these restrictions as I understand them.
Has anyone ever figured out how to tap the Netatmo again ever since they went with encryption? Just curious, since it is another vendor-locked cloud solution with no provisions for local data access.
I think that the only hope for the Atlas line is for someone to develop rtl_433 support for it to sniff the radio signals from the Atlas. Now that it is available to the public, hopefully it will not be too long until this happens.....
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Does anyone know if this will work with Metobridge and/or WeatherDisplay?
You would have to sniff the data from the Access's wunderground feed.
I don't think the author of Meteobridge/Weatherbridge has any plans for that.
Access itself has the potential for supporting other weather networks, but it's up to Acurite to add them.
What is the insane deal with weather station makers insisting that you can only access YOUR DATA from THEIR CHOICE OF WEBSITES? As far as I am concerned this removes Atlas and virtually everything from Ambient Weather from consideration. It is absolutely CHEAPER to just include a USB port and let the OWNER decide what they want to do with THEIR data.
I'm sure that fanboys will screech at me, but AcuRite and Ambient have taken VERY SPECIFIC STEPS TO CONTROL YOUR DATA!
Sorry I have to step in and defend Ambient Weather. You can very easily upload your data anywhere you want with an Ambient station with a Meteobridge that they sell branded as a WeatherBridge. Couldn't be easier than that. No hacking, no tinkering loading custom firmwares. Just plug and play. Every Ambient station is capable of adding a Meteobridge (or WeatherBridge) by first adding the ObserverIP. They sell and support this solution with excellent customer support.
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Well I bit the bullet on the 18th already have a trouble free access and trouble free hub until Feb, had a 5-1 for 5 + yrs (3 of them) and now have a very nice weather flow station, so like any weather geek could not resist especially at the price , but buyer beware they are planning on charging for the back yard weather , explains surveys , low Hardware price, hope not but time will tell and if the do hope its very reasonable 1-2 dollars a month . Anyway ordered from acurite on 18th and scheduled for delivery on 22.
I think I am going to have to set another pipe in concrete 2" I have is kinda getting full and I got the kit for the Wind Extension so I am wanting to go close to the 30' have 2 inch, 1.5 inch , and 1 inch I can use maybe get by with no guys if i use 200+ lbs of concrete wife's gonna kill me #-o
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Gonna starting charging to see my own weather? WTH?
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I was sent a survey last week from acurite/chaney, maybe 2 weeks ago and was asked what kind of features I would like to see in backyard weather, and if I would be willing to pay and how much. I posted the subject of e-mail in here I will look it up and add a link to this post.
http://www.wxforum.net/index.php?topic=35048.new;topicseen#new
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Does anyone know if this will work with Metobridge and/or WeatherDisplay?
You would have to sniff the data from the Access's wunderground feed.
I don't think the author of Meteobridge/Weatherbridge has any plans for that.
Access itself has the potential for supporting other weather networks, but it's up to Acurite to add them.
What is the insane deal with weather station makers insisting that you can only access YOUR DATA from THEIR CHOICE OF WEBSITES? As far as I am concerned this removes Atlas and virtually everything from Ambient Weather from consideration. It is absolutely CHEAPER to just include a USB port and let the OWNER decide what they want to do with THEIR data.
I'm sure that fanboys will screech at me, but AcuRite and Ambient have taken VERY SPECIFIC STEPS TO CONTROL YOUR DATA!
Sorry I have to step in and defend Ambient Weather. You can very easily upload your data anywhere you want with an Ambient station with a Meteobridge that they sell branded as a WeatherBridge. Couldn't be easier than that. No hacking, no tinkering loading custom firmwares. Just plug and play. Every Ambient station is capable of adding a Meteobridge (or WeatherBridge) by first adding the ObserverIP. They sell and support this solution with excellent customer support.
Are you drunk or just an employee of Ambient? You are HONESTLY DEFENDING them charging an EXTRA $180 for the WeatherBridge PLUS $37 for the ObserverIP just for the ability to send YOUR DATA WHERE YOU WANT IT?
"Hey guys! For the tidy sum of $216.98 PLUS $9.89 shipping (total of $243.79!) you can actually do whatever YOU WANT WITH YOUR DATA from the weather station that YOU BOUGHT!"
This reply has to be the single most idiotic attempt to defend a company I have ever read in my life!
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What is the insane deal with weather station makers insisting that you can only access YOUR DATA from THEIR CHOICE OF WEBSITES? As far as I am concerned this removes Atlas and virtually everything from Ambient Weather from consideration. It is absolutely CHEAPER to just include a USB port and let the OWNER decide what they want to do with THEIR data.
I'm sure that fanboys will screech at me, but AcuRite and Ambient have taken VERY SPECIFIC STEPS TO CONTROL YOUR DATA!
Or you could just pull the data directly from the airwaves with RTL_433.
I expect it won't take long for someone to decode the Atlas transmissions.
If anyone Thinks that the ultimate goal is not to strongly encrypt the data so that you can consume it only when and where they want, then you know nothing of software and hardware development. They did NOT invest the money to develop the system this way for no reason - they did so under a calculated plan to keep charging you. Eventually they will charge you monthly just to see the data from the station that you PAID FOR. Netatmo encrypted their packets and were pretty honest that they simply don't care what YOU want to do with YOUR purchased product.
WU takes FREE DATA FROM YOU and now wants to charge you hundreds of dollars per MONTH for the PRIVILEGE of using their API to access the FREE DATA that YOU sent to them. Their next step is to make ALL ACCESS to their website subscription only.
I'm an extra class ham radio operator with a PhD in Electrical Engineering and a PhD in Mechanical Engineering - I can build my own system in my sleep that will allow me to send my data wherever I want, so this does not really affect ME, but I do realize that this will affect the vast majority of weather enthusiasts that wish to provide access to THEIR data on THEIR chosen venue, and THAT is patently, sickeningly WRONG.
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Does anyone know if this will work with Metobridge and/or WeatherDisplay?
You would have to sniff the data from the Access's wunderground feed.
I don't think the author of Meteobridge/Weatherbridge has any plans for that.
Access itself has the potential for supporting other weather networks, but it's up to Acurite to add them.
What is the insane deal with weather station makers insisting that you can only access YOUR DATA from THEIR CHOICE OF WEBSITES? As far as I am concerned this removes Atlas and virtually everything from Ambient Weather from consideration. It is absolutely CHEAPER to just include a USB port and let the OWNER decide what they want to do with THEIR data.
I'm sure that fanboys will screech at me, but AcuRite and Ambient have taken VERY SPECIFIC STEPS TO CONTROL YOUR DATA!
Sorry I have to step in and defend Ambient Weather. You can very easily upload your data anywhere you want with an Ambient station with a Meteobridge that they sell branded as a WeatherBridge. Couldn't be easier than that. No hacking, no tinkering loading custom firmwares. Just plug and play. Every Ambient station is capable of adding a Meteobridge (or WeatherBridge) by first adding the ObserverIP. They sell and support this solution with excellent customer support.
Are you drunk or just an employee of Ambient? You are HONESTLY DEFENDING them charging an EXTRA $180 for the WeatherBridge PLUS $37 for the ObserverIP just for the ability to send YOUR DATA WHERE YOU WANT IT?
"Hey guys! For the tidy sum of $216.98 PLUS $9.89 shipping (total of $243.79!) you can actually do whatever YOU WANT WITH YOUR DATA from the weather station that YOU BOUGHT!"
This reply has to be the single most idiotic attempt to defend a company I have ever read in my life!
I'm not an employee. Why not own up to your mistake that you made an uninformed inaccurate statement. A WeatherBridge is worth it if you don't have the experience to build a Meteobridge. The WeatherBridge may also be well worth it to someone that needs additional company support. Plus the WeatherBridge comes with an ambientweather.net license. Want it for half the price then make one yourself. The good thing is you have options. But to claim that Ambient Weather doesn't let you publish your data where you want is a false claim when they offer a well supported solution. Needing to add the right hardware/software is not unreasonable. So not sure where you are going with that. When you are wrong you wrong....don't dig yourself deeper. And this is my last post on this matter. I don't do the back and forth. You can have the last word. What's up with your station at 27 inHg?
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How do you get the readings onto a website or CWOP? Does the hub output a text file of any kind or are we locked into the AcuRite cloud?
You don't. In exchange for your hard earned money, you get ZERO control over YOUR DATA.
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Does anyone know if this will work with Metobridge and/or WeatherDisplay?
No, it does not work with either one.
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I was sent a survey last week from acurite/chaney, maybe 2 weeks ago and was asked what kind of features I would like to see in backyard weather, and if I would be willing to pay and how much. I posted the subject of e-mail in here I will look it up and add a link to this post.
http://www.wxforum.net/index.php?topic=35048.new;topicseen#new
Just as I stated, AcuRite is moving to CHARGING YOU to see YOUR DATA anywhere OUTSIDE OF YOUR HOME. Give them time, they will stop selling displays at all to force those foolish enough to give them money to actually SEE the data at all from THEIR station that THEY PAID FOR.
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Does anyone know if this will work with Metobridge and/or WeatherDisplay?
You would have to sniff the data from the Access's wunderground feed.
I don't think the author of Meteobridge/Weatherbridge has any plans for that.
Access itself has the potential for supporting other weather networks, but it's up to Acurite to add them.
What is the insane deal with weather station makers insisting that you can only access YOUR DATA from THEIR CHOICE OF WEBSITES? As far as I am concerned this removes Atlas and virtually everything from Ambient Weather from consideration. It is absolutely CHEAPER to just include a USB port and let the OWNER decide what they want to do with THEIR data.
I'm sure that fanboys will screech at me, but AcuRite and Ambient have taken VERY SPECIFIC STEPS TO CONTROL YOUR DATA!
Sorry I have to step in and defend Ambient Weather. You can very easily upload your data anywhere you want with an Ambient station with a Meteobridge that they sell branded as a WeatherBridge. Couldn't be easier than that. No hacking, no tinkering loading custom firmwares. Just plug and play. Every Ambient station is capable of adding a Meteobridge (or WeatherBridge) by first adding the ObserverIP. They sell and support this solution with excellent customer support.
Are you drunk or just an employee of Ambient? You are HONESTLY DEFENDING them charging an EXTRA $180 for the WeatherBridge PLUS $37 for the ObserverIP just for the ability to send YOUR DATA WHERE YOU WANT IT?
"Hey guys! For the tidy sum of $216.98 PLUS $9.89 shipping (total of $243.79!) you can actually do whatever YOU WANT WITH YOUR DATA from the weather station that YOU BOUGHT!"
This reply has to be the single most idiotic attempt to defend a company I have ever read in my life!
I'm not an employee. Why not own up to your mistake that you made an uninformed inaccurate statement. A WeatherBridge is worth it if you don't have the experience to build a Meteobridge. The WeatherBridge may also be well worth it to someone that needs additional company support. Plus the WeatherBridge comes with an ambientweather.net license. Want it for half the price then make one yourself. The good thing is you have options. But to claim that Ambient Weather doesn't let you publish your data where you want is a false claim when they offer a well supported solution. Needing to add the right hardware/software is not unreasonable. So not sure where you are going with that. When you are wrong you wrong....don't dig yourself deeper. And this is my last post on this matter. I don't do the back and forth. You can have the last word. What's up with your station at 27 inHg?
Let's address your ad hominem attack FIRST. I have TWO PhD's - one in Electrical Engineering and one in Mechanical Engineering, so your patently false assertion regarding my skills and knowledge is nothing less than indicative of your inability to address the real issue, thus you choose to attack the person rather than the issue. Pathetic! I'm not surprised as the typical fanboi really has nothing more than false logic to rely upon.
Second, you are patently LYING when you claim that I falsely stated that "Ambient Weather doesn't let you publish your data where you want" - they CHARGE EXTRA AND REQUIRE you to purchase THIRD PARTY EQUIPMENT. Thus, AmbientWeather DOES NOT let you you publish your data where you want. The makers of MeteoBridge allow you to publish your data where THEY want, but even then they require you to pay for updates after two years. Tell me genius, how does forcing me to purchase third-party equipment to send my data where I want equate to giving me freedom of choice over my data?
The corollary would be for you to purchase a car, but the manufacturer would only allow you to drive it to a select group of pre-defined destinations unless you PAID THEM EXTRA for the PRIVILEGE of using the car that YOU PAID FOR to travel where YOU want.
I will own up to stating THE TRUTH, your inability to comprehend said truth is on you. Your refusal to continue discussing the matter in indicative of a closed mind. Being as YOU have made it perfectly clear that you are only capable of initiating ad hominem attacks, I am through discussing this with you, however, my decision to disengage is based upon the intelligence that it's fruitless to engage with those that cannot stick to the FACTS and attack the PERSON instead.
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What is the insane deal with weather station makers insisting that you can only access YOUR DATA from THEIR CHOICE OF WEBSITES? As far as I am concerned this removes Atlas and virtually everything from Ambient Weather from consideration. It is absolutely CHEAPER to just include a USB port and let the OWNER decide what they want to do with THEIR data.
I'm sure that fanboys will screech at me, but AcuRite and Ambient have taken VERY SPECIFIC STEPS TO CONTROL YOUR DATA!
Or you could just pull the data directly from the airwaves with RTL_433.
I expect it won't take long for someone to decode the Atlas transmissions.
If anyone Thinks that the ultimate goal is not to strongly encrypt the data so that you can consume it only when and where they want, then you know nothing of software and hardware development. They did NOT invest the money to develop the system this way for no reason - they did so under a calculated plan to keep charging you. Eventually they will charge you monthly just to see the data from the station that you PAID FOR. Netatmo encrypted their packets and were pretty honest that they simply don't care what YOU want to do with YOUR purchased product.
WU takes FREE DATA FROM YOU and now wants to charge you hundreds of dollars per MONTH for the PRIVILEGE of using their API to access the FREE DATA that YOU sent to them. Their next step is to make ALL ACCESS to their website subscription only.
I'm an extra class ham radio operator with a PhD in Electrical Engineering and a PhD in Mechanical Engineering - I can build my own system in my sleep that will allow me to send my data wherever I want, so this does not really affect ME, but I do realize that this will affect the vast majority of weather enthusiasts that wish to provide access to THEIR data on THEIR chosen venue, and THAT is patently, sickeningly WRONG.
Unless the sensor transmitters start incorporating OTPs, we've nothing to worry about.
What bubblegum machine did you get your "degrees" from? :roll:
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While cannons are being wheeled into position and the air is still relatively free of smoke, I'd like to add my concern over the trend of companies, essentially, licensing your weather data to you. I get that, for competitive reasons, they spent money building a cloud infrastructure. But what's the harm in ALSO allowing the data to go wherever else the end user wishes? It's been argued that the hardware is subsidized. Indeed, compare the price of the Atlas to a Davis VP2 Plus, it's closest competitor based solely on features. What about offering a non-subsidized option where the owner actually owns the data and chooses where it goes? I know... so old fashioned!
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While cannons are being wheeled into position and the air is still free of smoke, I'd like to add my concern over the trend of companies, essentially, licensing your weather data to you. I get that, for competitive reasons, they spent money building a cloud infrastructure. But what's the harm in ALSO allowing the data to go wherever else the end user wishes? It's been argued that the hardware is subsidized. Indeed, compare the price of the Atlas to a Davis VP2 Plus, it's closest competitor based solely on features. Fair enough, but what about offering a non-subsidized option where the owner actually owns the data and chooses where it goes? Of course, that would expose the true cost of the device and, therefore, just how valuable your data is to Acurite.
There's no hardware subsidy going on.
For example, you can buy an Atlas sensor and display with no internet connectivity at all. It's the same with many other brands of weather stations.
They certainly aren't going to be selling those unconnected systems at a loss.
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"Hey guys! For the tidy sum of $216.98 PLUS $9.89 shipping (total of $243.79!) you can actually do whatever YOU WANT WITH YOUR DATA from the weather station that YOU BOUGHT!"
For comparison, Scaled Instruments can hook you up with a Davis Envoy and USB logger for only $239 plus $11 or so in ground shipping. If you already have a Davis console, then you only need the $117 USB logger to access your data locally. Just throwing it out there for another vendor's pricing model comparison.....
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There's no hardware subsidy going on.
For example, you can buy an Atlas sensor and display with no internet connectivity at all. It's the same with many other brands of weather stations.
They certainly aren't going to be selling those unconnected systems at a loss.
Given that Acurite must know that the vast majority of people don't want an unconnected weather station now, I'd characterize the screen-only option as a loss leader (EDIT: or at least a very low margin sale that they hope will result in upgrades in the future). While it may be true that Davis over charges for aging hardware, there appears to be about a $500 difference between an Atlas and a similarly configured VP2 Plus (using Scaled Instruments pricing which is lower than most). Even if we assume the Atlas has worse specs and, therefore, inferior parts (although it could be that Acurite is more conservative/honest in their specs than Davis), that's a HUGE disparity not easily explained.
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Given that Acurite must know that the vast majority of people don't want an unconnected weather station now, I'd characterize the screen-only option as a loss leader.
That's quite a claim.
What evidence do you have that "the vast majority of people don't want an unconnected weather station"?
Do you really think all those screen-only 5n1 systems sold at WalMart and other big-box stores are loss leaders?
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Let us please get back on topic and discuss the Atlas...
nincehelser,
Is there anything you can share now that was previously covered under NDA?
I'd also like to know what temp/hum sensor is inside the Atlas.
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Let us please get back on topic and discuss the Atlas...
nincehelser,
Is there anything you can share now that was previously covered under NDA?
I'd also like to know what temp/hum sensor is inside the Atlas.
Nothing particularly interesting that I can think of right now. What we spoke of with regards to the future is still covered by NDA, of course.
Maybe later we can do a more in-depth tear-down and take some photos, though. (Hopefully better than what the FCC testing facility provided)
The Temp/Humidity sensor is an SHT31.
Personally, I'd like to disassemble the anemometer and see if it is using a Hall effect sensor or not.
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Given that Acurite must know that the vast majority of people don't want an unconnected weather station now, I'd characterize the screen-only option as a loss leader.
That's quite a claim.
What evidence do you have that "the vast majority of people don't want an unconnected weather station"?
Do you really think all those screen-only 5n1 systems sold at WalMart and other big-box stores are loss leaders?
Look, I'm a developer and a tech business owner. Internet phones and apps are ubiquitous even among folks with limited means. People considering a base $250 weather station (still at the upper end of mass market systems) are likely either going to pop for the hub (an extra $99) or wait and see. Either way, the idea they can get a really nice weather station for $250 is what gets them in the door with Acurite where they can be upsold either immediately or over time. The screen-only folks serve as word-of-mouth for additional sales too.
I edited my post above to clarify that I don't think they are actually losing money, rather they are risking a very low margin sale to get a higher margin one (especially if they start charging for the cloud data or decide to sell the data to Big Data companies).
Your comparison to 5-in-1 systems isn't valid. 5-in-1s aren't Atlases. Different market segment and revenue model.
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Your comparison to 5-in-1 systems isn't valid. 5-in-1s aren't Atlases. Different market segment and revenue model.
They both use Access, which is what gathers the data and sends data to Acurite and wunderground.
Thinking there is a subsidy going on is quite a stretch.
Under your theory, is an Atlas Elite going to be less subsidized as it is targeting a price-point similar to the VP2?
The Atlas is more acuritely (see what I did there?) targeted toward the price point of Vantage Vue, not a VP2.
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Actually, unless I'm missing something, acurite.com is selling Atlases with hubs for $250 ($150 base + $99 hub) plus shipping. Same price as the station + display option. Meanwhile, a VP2+ is $851 plus shipping on Scaled Inst. That's a greater than 3X price differential.
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Your comparison to 5-in-1 systems isn't valid. 5-in-1s aren't Atlases. Different market segment and revenue model.
They both use Access, which is what gathers the data and sends data to Acurite and wunderground.
Thinking there is a subsidy going on is quite a stretch.
Under your theory, is an Atlas Elite going to be less subsidized as it is targeting a price-point similar to the VP2?
The Atlas is more acuritely (see what I did there?) targeted toward the price point of Vantage Vue, not a VP2.
The Atlas destroys the Vue on features. It's not in the same segment. It even arguably offers more features than a VP2+ (depending on which features you focus on or are important to you). By my eye, according to the spec sheet, the Elite will have the same sensors but a greater transmission range and shorter update intervals. I'm sure there will be other advantages as well. But you don't need the Elite to knock off most of Davis' enthusiast users. So unless Acurite discovered a hidden treasure map somewhere telling them how to source and install comparable parts for remarkably less than Davis, they are not going to just leave money on the table. My guess is they are making up the difference from the cloud (either by eventually charging for access like Davis or selling the data to a 3rd party). This is how most low-cost products and apps work now. The data is the most valuable commodity and the only path to profitability. Why else lock down the hub? They HAD to provide a Wunderground upload option to remain competitive.
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The Atlas destroys the Vue on features. It's not in the same segment. It even arguably offers more features than a VP2+ (depending on which features you focus on or are important to you). By my eye, according to the spec sheet, the Elite will have the same sensors but a greater transmission range and shorter update intervals. I'm sure there will be other advantages as well. But you don't need the Elite to knock off most of Davis' enthusiast users. So unless Acurite discovered a hidden treasure map somewhere telling them how to source and install comparable parts for remarkably less than Davis, they are not going to just leave money on the table. My guess is they are making up the difference from the cloud (either by eventually charging for access like Davis or selling the data to a 3rd party). This is how most low-cost products and apps work now. The data is the most valuable commodity and the only path to profitability. Why else lock down the hub? They HAD to provide a Wunderground upload option to remain competitive.
The simpler answer is that Davis has had no real competition in the past and has been able to enjoy high margins.
What Acurite has "found" is an under-served market segment... folks wanting higher-quality weather gear but not at Davis-like prices.
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If anyone has an Atlas on Weather Underground please share the station ID, especially if you live in Florida. I'd like to see the data and how it handles 100% humidity.
It is unfortunate that Weather Underground lumps all Acurite stations under the same station type. I'd like to be able to tell them apart from a 5 in 1 model.
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The Temp/Humidity sensor is an SHT31.
Personally, I'd like to disassemble the anemometer and see if it is using a Hall effect sensor or not.
I've seen other devices where the SHT31 performs well. But for some reason the folks over in the Davis camp are having a tough time getting their SHT31 sensors to perform consistently well after a few months. You can follow the huge thread over in the Davis sub. Davis has some scrambling to do.
Well I hope the SHT31 does well in the Atlas. I can't wait for teardown photos.
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As for the anemometer, I can't see it not being half effect. Only because my Ambient WS-2902A has it. On my Ambient you can tell just by spinning it and hearing two clicks every turn (one every half turn). No need for teardown to learn that. I suppose it depends on the relay switch used if can hear it or not though.
Oh...not Half Effect....you said Hall Effect. I didn't know what that was till just now. Basically a magnetic field sensing activated switch versus a reed (magnetic but with moving contacts) switch. I thought you were talking about having more than one sensor switch per rotation, as in one every "half" a turn. He He...silly me. :smile:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hall_effect_sensor
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kd7eir re: https://www.wxforum.net/index.php?topic=35084.msg358892#msg358892
Are you drunk or just an employee of Ambient? ...
This reply has to be the single most idiotic attempt to defend a company I have ever read in my life!
Oops... Yellow Card here. This personal attack behavior will not be tolerated in the future.
Cease and desist the personal attacks or you will be summarily banned from the forum.
This is your final warning.
You may have (and seem to express) strongly held negative opinions regarding offerings of some vendors. Be factual in your replies and not sling personal insults at the other members.
For your information, a WeatherBridge from Ambient (their branded Meteobridge system) has free access to publish/use the ambientweather.net uploads. Only 'native' Meteobridge systems (not purchased from Ambient) would require the API access fee to be paid to submit data to ambientweather.net.
Both WeatherBridge and Meteobridge systems can publish to a variety of weather networks -- only the WeatherBridge branded system can do it for free to ambientweather.net.
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God Bless Saratoga
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Hey Nincehelser, You still running a 5-1 if so are you using the same access for the atlas also and if so do you have to run it on any certain channel. so you can run both through it. I was planning on running the 5-1 until it bites the dust and I run out of spare parts. should be receiving my atlas with wind extension tomorrow or Saturday cant wait . Just gonna have to set a new pole in concrete my other ones full . 2 new weather Stations in 3 months \:D/
Thanks
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Hey Nincehelser, You still running a 5-1 if so are you using the same access for the atlas also and if so do you have to run it on any certain channel. so you can run both through it. I was planning on running the 5-1 until it bites the dust and I run out of spare parts. should be receiving my atlas with wind extension tomorrow or Saturday cant wait . Just gonna have to set a new pole in concrete my other ones full . 2 new weather Stations in 3 months \:D/
Thanks
You can run both an Atlas and a 5n1 through the same Access with no special setup. The Access doesn’t care about the channel setting.
Since the Atlas and 5n1 are different model types, they can co-exist on the same channel. It really doesn’t matter.
As for the displays, they should be set to the same channel as their corresponding sensor.
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Thanks George I could not believe the cheap prices I purchased through acurite for like 174 for the 2 pieces I did not order the hd display, will the older displays work with the atlas. I might add lighting down the road , but I have it right now on weatherflow.
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I hope mine is still coming. I saved my beta model from Florence. I have to fix my WH2310, it is not working for wind or solar. A tornado went thru here during the hurricane.
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Will this work with the Access to enable third-party uploads by tapping the WU rapid-fire stream?
https://www.wxforum.net/index.php?topic=35103.msg358962#new (https://www.wxforum.net/index.php?topic=35103.msg358962#new)
They don't specifically list Acu-Rite, but are looking for testers.....
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Hello, I'm new here.I'm an Acurite refugee who has been waiting for the Atlas. Then found out that the Acurite forums have closed.
I was excited about the Atlas. I do like the new sensors for the UV index and light intensity. I was hoping it would be cheaper but with the options I want it would be $340 and I even already have the Access hub. Although the base price does sound good. Here's what I come up with:
Base price: $150
HD display: $100
Lightning Detector: $40
Wind Extension: $30
Battery Pack: $20
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Total: $340
I take it my current HD display or my current battery pack won't work with the Atlas. So I would have to buy new ones?
So anyway, I'll add it tomy list and start saving. :-)
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It is interesting that Amazon has not taken down the pre-order listing showing the Atlas + display + Access + lightning detector for $274.21. On Acurite's site, that configuration comes out to $389.96. And on top of that, Acurite answered a user submitted question today on the Amazon listing. I would think they would at least ask Amazon to remove the incorrect price.
https://www.amazon.com/AcuRite-01007M-Touchscreen-Monitoring-Lightning/dp/B074XKB239
I am almost tempted to order one to see how long it takes Amazon to cancel the order.
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It would seem to me if you bought the wind extension you would not need the battery pack. The base unit could be mounted lower where it would be easy to exchange batteries.
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It would seem to me if you bought the wind extension you would not need the battery pack. The base unit could be mounted lower where it would be easy to exchange batteries.
Not the way I have to mount it. It would still be out of reach.
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It would seem to me if you bought the wind extension you would not need the battery pack. The base unit could be mounted lower where it would be easy to exchange batteries.
Not the way I have to mount it. It would still be out of reach.
I suppose if you really wanted, you could use both the wind extension and the remote battery pack (or AC adapter) and be measuring winds at 66 feet!
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It is interesting that Amazon has not taken down the pre-order listing showing the Atlas + display + Access + lightning detector for $274.21. On Acurite's site, that configuration comes out to $389.96. And on top of that, Acurite answered a user submitted question today on the Amazon listing. I would think they would at least ask Amazon to remove the incorrect price.
https://www.amazon.com/AcuRite-01007M-Touchscreen-Monitoring-Lightning/dp/B074XKB239
I am almost tempted to order one to see how long it takes Amazon to cancel the order.
I'm not sure about this, but I don't think Acurite has control over those listings. I think they sell hardware to Amazon at wholesale prices, and then Amazon sets their own retail prices.
I've no idea if Amazon will honor the listing. Someone on Facebook says they have placed an order.
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Hello, I'm new here.I'm an Acurite refugee who has been waiting for the Atlas. Then found out that the Acurite forums have closed.
I was excited about the Atlas. I do like the new sensors for the UV index and light intensity. I was hoping it would be cheaper but with the options I want it would be $340 and I even already have the Access hub. Although the base price does sound good. Here's what I come up with:
Base price: $150
HD display: $100
Lightning Detector: $40
Wind Extension: $30
Battery Pack: $20
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Total: $340
I take it my current HD display or my current battery pack won't work with the Atlas. So I would have to buy new ones?
So anyway, I'll add it tomy list and start saving. :-)
If you're trying to cut costs, you really don't need the HD display if you're willing to use myAcurite and/or wunderground for data viewing.
You are getting a bit of a price break on the HD display by getting it up-front. I think the stand-alone price is something like $129.
Anyway, from the perspective of those who upgraded their SmartHUBs for $40, getting a fun new sensor for $150 isn't a bad deal. It puts it within easier reach for those who can't afford an entirely new system. It also gives them something they can "grow" into over time.
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Hello, I'm new here.I'm an Acurite refugee who has been waiting for the Atlas. Then found out that the Acurite forums have closed.
I was excited about the Atlas. I do like the new sensors for the UV index and light intensity. I was hoping it would be cheaper but with the options I want it would be $340 and I even already have the Access hub. Although the base price does sound good. Here's what I come up with:
Base price: $150
HD display: $100
Lightning Detector: $40
Wind Extension: $30
Battery Pack: $20
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Total: $340
I take it my current HD display or my current battery pack won't work with the Atlas. So I would have to buy new ones?
So anyway, I'll add it tomy list and start saving. :-)
If you're trying to cut costs, you really don't need the HD display if you're willing to use myAcurite and/or wunderground for data viewing.
You are getting a bit of a price break on the HD display by getting it up-front. I think the stand-alone price is something like $129.
Anyway, from the perspective of those who upgraded their SmartHUBs for $40, getting a fun new sensor for $150 isn't a bad deal. It puts it within easier reach for those who can't afford an entirely new system. It also gives them something they can "grow" into over time.
I also paid $40 for my Access. It is a good expandable system. I just don't want to take it down every time I add a feature. You are right, I don't need the display right away so I can save $100 right there.
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I downloaded the manual and could not find an answer...does the display have a USB port in case software will be available for it? Or is the display connected to Wi-Fi?
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I downloaded the manual and could not find an answer...does the display have a USB port in case software will be available for it? Or is the display connected to Wi-Fi?
Near the bottom edge there is a small removable panel that hides a USB port and a depressable switch.
I imagine the port is "factory use only" for now.
Depressing the switch doesn't seem to do anything obvious.
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Amazon all sold out now , my Atlas and wind extension is out for delivery Ordered on September 18, 2018 12:32:41 PM CDT and out for delivery today and thats from acurite \:D/
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It is interesting that Amazon has not taken down the pre-order listing showing the Atlas + display + Access + lightning detector for $274.21. On Acurite's site, that configuration comes out to $389.96. And on top of that, Acurite answered a user submitted question today on the Amazon listing. I would think they would at least ask Amazon to remove the incorrect price.
https://www.amazon.com/AcuRite-01007M-Touchscreen-Monitoring-Lightning/dp/B074XKB239
I am almost tempted to order one to see how long it takes Amazon to cancel the order.
Who says they'll cancel the orders. Amazon has usually offered better kit prices then Acurite. I was the one that asked what components were included in the bundle and Acurite confirmed that it's the "full meal deal". An Amazon backorder doesn't always mean imminent order cancellation.
My issue is that Acurite has a very tainted reputation of releasing "half baked" products. Their recent ransom scheme with Access adds to my reservations with this company.
However their new display is light years ahead of Davis's primitive Vantage Vue platform and the Atlas sensor looks impressive. (Davis hasn't done anything new/innovative this entire decade!). Unfortunately the Atlas range is still spec'd at 330' which in real life is probably closer to 100'. Does anyone know if the Atlas transmitting strength/antenna design is any better then the 5 in 1? (I finally got Access reliable by decapitating it's case and adding a tuned half wave dipole receiving antenna.)
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Who says they'll cancel the orders. Amazon has usually offered better kit prices then Acurite. I was the one that asked what components were included in the bundle and Acurite confirmed that it's the "full meal deal". An Amazon backorder doesn't always mean imminent order cancellation.
That is what happened when some prices showed up on those links months back.
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Who says they'll cancel the orders. Amazon has usually offered better kit prices then Acurite. I was the one that asked what components were included in the bundle and Acurite confirmed that it's the "full meal deal". An Amazon backorder doesn't always mean imminent order cancellation.
That is what happened when some prices showed up on those links months back.
Well I just placed an order and will see how it plays out. I can always cancel.
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$199.99 & Free shipping
AcuRite 01009M Atlas Weather Station with High Definition Touchscreen Display . Shows as in stock.
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B074XK7GRQ/?coliid=IAG5RT904PQVA&colid=MUG0SDO321YO&psc=0&ref_=lv_ov_lig_dp_it
Update:
I ordered one today and got comfirmation from Amazon
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$199.99 & Free shipping
AcuRite 01009M Atlas Weather Station with High Definition Touchscreen Display . Shows as in stock.
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B074XK7GRQ/?coliid=IAG5RT904PQVA&colid=MUG0SDO321YO&psc=0&ref_=lv_ov_lig_dp_it
Wow. That I can almost see that as being a legitimate listing, but how can they make money?
Maybe they're trying to get a lot of momentum going through Amazon?
Hmmm.....
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$199.99 & Free shipping
AcuRite 01009M Atlas Weather Station with High Definition Touchscreen Display . Shows as in stock.
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B074XK7GRQ/?coliid=IAG5RT904PQVA&colid=MUG0SDO321YO&psc=0&ref_=lv_ov_lig_dp_it
Thanks!! Didn't see this kit. Better deal since I already have an Access hub. I changed my order.
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Nice cutaway view of the Atlas internals.
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$199.99 & Free shipping
AcuRite 01009M Atlas Weather Station with High Definition Touchscreen Display . Shows as in stock.
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B074XK7GRQ/?coliid=IAG5RT904PQVA&colid=MUG0SDO321YO&psc=0&ref_=lv_ov_lig_dp_it
Wow. That I can almost see that as being a legitimate listing, but how can they make money?
Maybe they're trying to get a lot of momentum going through Amazon?
Hmmm.....
This listing doesn't include the lightning detector, just the Atlas and HD display. So you are basically saving $50 by ordering on Amazon. Plus "free" two day shipping.
Normally the Atlas is $150 and the display is $100, so that would be $250 total. So that's a 20% discount, not huge but they'll make make money.
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I guess if you didn't get in on the $40 Access upgrade, this is a way to get back in the game.
$199 for an Atlas and an Access. :shock:
https://www.amazon.com/AcuRite-01008M-Weather-Station-Monitoring/dp/B074XK4BSN/ref=sr_1_5?ie=UTF8&qid=1537545709&sr=8-5&keywords=Acurite+atlas
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I downloaded the manual and could not find an answer...does the display have a USB port in case software will be available for it? Or is the display connected to Wi-Fi?
Near the bottom edge there is a small removable panel that hides a USB port and a depressable switch.
I imagine the port is "factory use only" for now.
Depressing the switch doesn't seem to do anything obvious.
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Thanks...I inquired with a software developer about the port and they pretty much speculated the same...a flash/diagnostic port...not much hope in getting data out of it for software use.
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I guess if you didn't get in on the $40 Access upgrade, this is a way to get back in the game.
$199 for an Atlas and an Access. :shock:
https://www.amazon.com/AcuRite-01008M-Weather-Station-Monitoring/dp/B074XK4BSN/ref=sr_1_5?ie=UTF8&qid=1537545709&sr=8-5&keywords=Acurite+atlas
With two Accesses, would you have two tabs on MyAcuRite (I have that with SmartHub/Access) or would they combine into 14 sensors on one tab?
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I guess if you didn't get in on the $40 Access upgrade, this is a way to get back in the game.
$199 for an Atlas and an Access. :shock:
https://www.amazon.com/AcuRite-01008M-Weather-Station-Monitoring/dp/B074XK4BSN/ref=sr_1_5?ie=UTF8&qid=1537545709&sr=8-5&keywords=Acurite+atlas
Amazon is losing money on this. I would jump on this quick before it changes... The Atlas is worth at least $185 by itself .
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I guess if you didn't get in on the $40 Access upgrade, this is a way to get back in the game.
$199 for an Atlas and an Access. :shock:
https://www.amazon.com/AcuRite-01008M-Weather-Station-Monitoring/dp/B074XK4BSN/ref=sr_1_5?ie=UTF8&qid=1537545709&sr=8-5&keywords=Acurite+atlas
With two Accesses, would you have two tabs on MyAcuRite (I have that with SmartHub/Access) or would they combine into 14 sensors on one tab?
You would have two tabs.
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If anyone has an Atlas on Weather Underground please share the station ID, especially if you live in Florida. I'd like to see the data and how it handles 100% humidity.
It is unfortunate that Weather Underground lumps all Acurite stations under the same station type. I'd like to be able to tell them apart from a 5 in 1 model.
Southern California, but:
KCAMOORP29 is my Beta Atlas that has been flying for nearly a year
KCAMOORP12 is my 5-in-1 in the same location, however temp and humidity is shared from a tower sensor in a radiation shield (which is actually is about 15 feet from the Atlas).
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Amazon is now showing the fully configured Atlas with Access, display and lightning detector as in stock for $275.10. Now, that is very tempting.
https://www.amazon.com/AcuRite-01007M-Touchscreen-Monitoring-Lightning/dp/B074XKB239
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I guess if you didn't get in on the $40 Access upgrade, this is a way to get back in the game.
$199 for an Atlas and an Access. :shock:
https://www.amazon.com/AcuRite-01008M-Weather-Station-Monitoring/dp/B074XK4BSN/ref=sr_1_5?ie=UTF8&qid=1537545709&sr=8-5&keywords=Acurite+atlas
Amazon is losing money on this. I would jump on this quick before it changes... The Atlas is worth at least $185 by itself .
I doubt Amazon is loosing any money.
I think it's more likely Acurite cut a sweet deal for Amazon to get some momentum and get back into the game. Amazon is almost always cheaper then buying the same widget direct from the manufacturer.
Acurite's competition is the WS-2902 at $169.00 for sensor and display. It would be tough for them to be priced >$200. It'll take a long time before they're recognized as being in the same league as Davis.
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If anyone has an Atlas on Weather Underground please share the station ID, especially if you live in Florida. I'd like to see the data and how it handles 100% humidity.
It is unfortunate that Weather Underground lumps all Acurite stations under the same station type. I'd like to be able to tell them apart from a 5 in 1 model.
Southern California, but:
KCAMOORP29 is my Beta Atlas that has been flying for nearly a year
KCAMOORP12 is my 5-in-1 in the same location, however temp and humidity is shared from a tower sensor in a radiation shield (which is actually is about 15 feet from the Atlas).
Interesting thank you for sharing. I like that the humidity nicely reaches 100%. The wind doesn't seem to ever register lower than 1 mph. And why is there no UV and no Solar on displayed on WU? I also noticed precipitation rate is not really the rain rate per hour but rather the accumulative amount that hour. On the Meteobridge for example there is a setting to change the type of rain rate sent to WU (accumulative vs rate per hour). I'm referring to the green line graph in WU. Is there a way to change the rain rate method reported?
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Here you can see the Meteobridge offers two ways to report rain rate (check box)
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Here is the rain rate reported by my preferred method. Rate per hour. You can see the spikes of how fast it was raining. Three different waves (green line). Then the blue line is the total accumulation.
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This is the exact same rain event the same day captured by a different software (same hardware) and reporting rain rate not as really rain rate I think, but more of how much accumulated at that moment in time. Harder to see the rain cloud waves. This is the method I see Acurite using unfortunately. I hope it can be changed.
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I guess if you didn't get in on the $40 Access upgrade, this is a way to get back in the game.
$199 for an Atlas and an Access. :shock:
https://www.amazon.com/AcuRite-01008M-Weather-Station-Monitoring/dp/B074XK4BSN/ref=sr_1_5?ie=UTF8&qid=1537545709&sr=8-5&keywords=Acurite+atlas
Amazon is losing money on this. I would jump on this quick before it changes... The Atlas is worth at least $185 by itself .
I doubt Amazon is loosing any money.
I think it's more likely Acurite cut a sweet deal for Amazon to get some momentum and get back into the game. Amazon is almost always cheaper then buying the same widget direct from the manufacturer.
I've noticed if you search for "Acurite Atlas" on Amazon, the Atlas isn't getting "top billing". In fact, Ambient and Davis are getting higher results.
Could it be they're trying to force the Atlas to the top of the list through low prices?
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I wonder if Costco will ever sell this model. They have AcuRite products. Their weather stations offered in the past was LaCrosse. My 2813 unit was very good. Probably not this year, but maybe next?
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I guess if you didn't get in on the $40 Access upgrade, this is a way to get back in the game.
$199 for an Atlas and an Access. :shock:
https://www.amazon.com/AcuRite-01008M-Weather-Station-Monitoring/dp/B074XK4BSN/ref=sr_1_5?ie=UTF8&qid=1537545709&sr=8-5&keywords=Acurite+atlas
Amazon is losing money on this. I would jump on this quick before it changes... The Atlas is worth at least $185 by itself .
Actually, the Atlas by itself sells for $150 on the Acurite site.
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Interesting thank you for sharing. I like that the humidity nicely reaches 100%. The wind doesn't seem to ever register lower than 1 mph. And why is there no UV and no Solar on displayed on WU? I also noticed precipitation rate is not really the rain rate per hour but rather the accumulative amount that hour. On the Meteobridge for example there is a setting to change the type of rain rate sent to WU (accumulative vs rate per hour). I'm referring to the green line graph in WU. Is there a way to change the rain rate method reported?
According to the upload protocol there is no "rain-rate" reported.
What you're supposed to report is the amount of rainfall in the past 60 minutes. Developers have differed on what this means. Does it mean a rolling 60 minute window, or does it mean a fixed hour window?
Another problem is that ever since wunderground changed their graph format a few years back, they seem to be schizophrenic in how to plot rain rate data. It seemed to change randomly. It could be that it depended on what particular server you hit at the time.
The current firmware level of the Access (47) is not properly reporting UV and light intensity to wunderground. There are some obvious typos in the string that need to be corrected, and wunderground also wants Acurite to report data to a different host name. I've no idea why this hasn't been fixed yet, but maybe Acurite is waiting for wunderground to settle down with their infrastructure changes.
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Amazon has 3 listing for the Atlas in different configurations that I can see; two of them are $200 and one is $275.
First configuration Includes the Atlas and the Access hub for $200
Atlas + Access Hub (https://www.amazon.com/AcuRite-01008M-Weather-Station-Monitoring/dp/B074XK4BSN/ref=sr_1_5?ie=UTF8&qid=1537545709&sr=8-5&keywords=Acurite+atlas)
Second configuration includes the Atlas and the HD display, also $200
Atlas + HD Dispay (https://www.amazon.com/dp/B074XK7GRQ/?coliid=IAG5RT904PQVA&colid=MUG0SDO321YO&psc=0&ref_=lv_ov_lig_dp_it)
The Third configuration includes the Atlas, the Access hub, the HD display AND the Lightning Detector and sells for $275
Atlas, Access hub, HD Display and Lightning Detector (https://www.amazon.com/dp/B074XKB239/?coliid=I5K2SC1HCQXGH&colid=MUG0SDO321YO&psc=0&ref_=lv_ov_lig_dp_it)
So depending on your needs, you can save money by buying one of these bundles from Amazon, then add whatever upgrades you want after that.
Me? I bought the Access hub for $40, so I already have that. So my best bet would be Option #2, the Atlas and the display;of course I want to add the lightning detector but 'll have to buy that separately.
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A Amazon search on Acurite "Atlas" will return Atlas tagged items (quote around Atlas).
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Me? I bought the Access hub for $40, so I already have that. So my best bet would be Option #2, the Atlas and the display;of course I want to add the lightning detector but 'll have to buy that separately.
I'm the same as you, so I purchased a Atlas & Monitor. I'm nearing the end of the thunderstorm season so I'll wait and purchase the lightning detector from AcuRite.com when they have one of their 20% Off whole site sales.
https://www.acurite.com/atlas-lightning-detection-sensor.html
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Me? I bought the Access hub for $40, so I already have that. So my best bet would be Option #2, the Atlas and the display;of course I want to add the lightning detector but 'll have to buy that separately.
I'm the same as you, so I purchased a Atlas & Monitor. I'm nearing the end of the thunderstorm season so I'll wait and purchase the lightning detector from AcuRite.com when they have one of their 20% Off whole site sales.
https://www.acurite.com/atlas-lightning-detection-sensor.html
"Black Friday" has always been a great time to buy.
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I guess if you didn't get in on the $40 Access upgrade, this is a way to get back in the game.
$199 for an Atlas and an Access. :shock:
https://www.amazon.com/AcuRite-01008M-Weather-Station-Monitoring/dp/B074XK4BSN/ref=sr_1_5?ie=UTF8&qid=1537545709&sr=8-5&keywords=Acurite+atlas
Amazon is losing money on this. I would jump on this quick before it changes... The Atlas is worth at least $185 by itself .
Actually, the Atlas by itself sells for $150 on the Acurite site.
They are giving customers a break right now I believe. You must have something to view the data on right, either a display or an access... So you have to spend more than that.
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I guess if you didn't get in on the $40 Access upgrade, this is a way to get back in the game.
$199 for an Atlas and an Access. :shock:
https://www.amazon.com/AcuRite-01008M-Weather-Station-Monitoring/dp/B074XK4BSN/ref=sr_1_5?ie=UTF8&qid=1537545709&sr=8-5&keywords=Acurite+atlas
Amazon is losing money on this. I would jump on this quick before it changes... The Atlas is worth at least $185 by itself .
Actually, the Atlas by itself sells for $150 on the Acurite site.
They are giving customers a break right now I believe. You must have something to view the data on right, either a display or an access... So you have to spend more than that.
Amazon is selling both the Atlas and display for $199; I already has the Access. So $199 is really all I have to spend. If I want to add options like the Lightning detector then I could spend more.
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I took the plunge for the $275 Amazon set...I already have an Access but 10 sensors and would like to add two more so it seemed a good way to get everything online down the road.
My 5-1 was new in January 2016 and had the temperature issue.
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I guess if you didn't get in on the $40 Access upgrade, ...
Not unless you live in the US. I tried to get in on the Access upgrade and finally gave up. They would not ship to Canada using US postal service; would not accept a non-US credit card and even when I used a US credit card they would not ship to my freight forwarder. Their plan was use FedEx and pay about 2-3 times the upgrade cost in brokerage, duty etc.
And they are still doing it...
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I am really fighting the urge to go with the $275 Amazon deal. So far, I have convinced myself to wait until next spring, even though I know that price will probably no longer be available. Waiting will give some time for real-world user reviews to show up and for potential quality issues to be exposed. Plus, maybe some additional information about the Elite will be come out by then.
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One can never have too many weather stations..... :lol:
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I am really fighting the urge to go with the $275 Amazon deal. So far, I have convinced myself to wait until next spring, even though I know that price will probably no longer be available. Waiting will give some time for real-world user reviews to show up and for potential quality issues to be exposed. Plus, maybe some additional information about the Elite will be come out by then.
It's savings of $115 or about 30% :!: ;)
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Like vreihen says you can never have too many weather stations. Took the Amazon plunge today. Currently have Davis Vantage Pro, Vantage Vue, Weather Flow, 5 in 1 and shortly the Atlas. Wife wants me to visit the shrink but they are just a man and his toys.
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What is the appropriate diameter size for the pole that fits the Atlas sensor ? is it the same as 5in1 ? I see through the pictures that the free mounting bracket that comes with the sensor resembles the one with 5in1 so I just want to make sure.
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What is the appropriate diameter size for the pole that fits the Atlas sensor ? is it the same as 5in1 ? I see through the pictures that the free mounting bracket that comes with the sensor resembles the one with 5in1 so I just want to make sure.
I'm not sure that's properly documented anywhere, but the pole diameter of the 5n1 (3/4") will work just fine.
The way the mount works the diameter of the pole isn't critical. I'm just guessing a range here, but maybe 3/4" to 2" diameter will work fine.
Update: I've just read a statement from Acurite support that the maximum supported pole diameter is 1 1/4".
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WOW!
Its now down to $256.19 & Free Shipping for the Atlas, HD Display, Access and Lightning Detection.
https://www.amazon.com/AcuRite-01007M-Touchscreen-Monitoring-Lightning/dp/B074XKB239/ref=sr_1_1?s=home-garden&ie=UTF8&qid=1537617015&sr=1-1&keywords=Acurite+%22Atlas%22
Update:
I just canceled the order I made yesterday for the $199 Atlas & Monitor and ordered the above deal.
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WOW!
Its now down to $256.19 & Free Shipping for the Atlas, HD Display, Access and Lightning Detection.
https://www.amazon.com/AcuRite-01007M-Touchscreen-Monitoring-Lightning/dp/B074XKB239/ref=sr_1_1?s=home-garden&ie=UTF8&qid=1537617015&sr=1-1&keywords=Acurite+%22Atlas%22
Update:
I just canceled the order I made yesterday for the $199 Atlas & Monitor and ordered the above deal.
Wow is right.
Unfortunately I was in unable to cancel my order. I hate when that happens with Amazon and the price drops just after you bought something. Even though I have prime my original order states Tuesday and not Monday for delivery.
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WOW!
Its now down to $256.19 & Free Shipping for the Atlas, HD Display, Access and Lightning Detection.
https://www.amazon.com/AcuRite-01007M-Touchscreen-Monitoring-Lightning/dp/B074XKB239/ref=sr_1_1?s=home-garden&ie=UTF8&qid=1537617015&sr=1-1&keywords=Acurite+%22Atlas%22
Update:
I just canceled the order I made yesterday for the $199 Atlas & Monitor and ordered the above deal.
Wow is right.
Unfortunately I was in unable to cancel my order. I hate when that happens with Amazon and the price drops just after you bought something. Even though I have prime my original order states Tuesday and not Monday for delivery.
I know Amazon changed their policies but it may be worth your while to ask for a price drop refund since its within 7 days of ordering. Good luck!
Select returns and refunds:
https://www.amazon.com/gp/help/contact-us/general-questions.html
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further info on Amazon price drop refunds: https://www.groovypost.com/howto/request-amazon-price-change-refund/
I splurged yesterday for the $275 bundle and just tried to get the 7% overnight price drop refunded by chat, but they refused.
Looks like in this case 1. they were following the practice of some Ebay sellers, and dropping the price on weekends to keep sales up, and 2. working toward perfecting their model of dynamic pricing with no overlap periods.
The 7% price drop would have almost cancelled the sales tax that I have to pay on Amazon orders--which the state of Texas then passes on to Amazon as a subsidy. Games. #-o
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further info on Amazon price drop refunds: https://www.groovypost.com/howto/request-amazon-price-change-refund/
I splurged yesterday for the $275 bundle and just tried to get the 7% overnight price drop refunded by chat, but they refused.
Looks like in this case 1. they were following the practice of some Ebay sellers, and dropping the price on weekends to keep sales up, and 2. working toward perfecting their model of dynamic pricing with no overlap periods.
The 7% price drop would have almost cancelled the sales tax that I have to pay on Amazon orders--which the state of Texas then passes on to Amazon as a subsidy. Games. #-o
I had the same "no luck" via chat. Same here with the tax in Ohio. The odd part is if I ordered today to get the $18.91 off, it would arrive Monday but the current order is scheduled for Tuesday. I am still debating if it is worth the hassle to return the original one to save the cash...seems like glitches happen when trying that route.
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I just got my Atlas from Amazon today. It's awesome. Everything pictured was included. Station, Display, Access, & Lightning Sensor.
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B074XKB239
Looks like pole size of anywhere from 1 & 1/16" to 1 & 1/2" will work.
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Mine arrived yesterday and luckily got it up prior to a good storm.
I noticed the rain measured was .07" lower than two other rain gauges I have. The others measured .29" and the Atlas measured .22"
I did not see instructions on adjusting the rain gauge.
I was also wondering what is the +/- norms in rain measurement? I would think just a few big drops/gusts would cause some variations. .07" of rain is not a lot.
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Mine arrived yesterday and luckily got it up prior to a good storm.
I noticed the rain measured was .07" lower than two other rain gauges I have. The others measured .29" and the Atlas measured .22"
I did not see instructions on adjusting the rain gauge.
I was also wondering what is the +/- norms in rain measurement? I would think just a few big drops/gusts would cause some variations. .07" of rain is not a lot.
Mine were lower on my only rain event too, similar to your readings. I attribute my lower readings to an unlevel unit. I noticed I didn’t have my unit mounted properly to the pole, and fixed that. So, I’m now hoping to have a leveled unit and proper rain readings.
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I had to adjust the rain tipper screws a little bit on my Atlas also. It was reading just a little low. Afterwards, it's very accurate. The adjustments are very easy to tweak.
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I had to adjust the rain tipper screws a little bit on my Atlas also. It was reading just a little low. Afterwards, it's very accurate. The adjustments are very easy to tweak.
Glad to hear its adjustable, wish it was stated in the manual.
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I had to adjust the rain tipper screws a little bit on my Atlas also. It was reading just a little low. Afterwards, it's very accurate. The adjustments are very easy to tweak.
Glad to hear its adjustable, wish it was stated in the manual.
Yes...I could not find the information as well.
Is it like the 5 in 1? Are there screws underneath or do you open the hood up? I do not have the unit in front of me to see where the screws are. I did make sure the bubble is dead center when it was installed.
BTW, I installed in on my old 5 in 1 pole...distance is about 100 feet with a historic brick farmhouse.
From 5 in 1 manual:
"Be sure to adjust both screws the same amount. Turning screws clockwise will increase rainfall amount. Turning screw counter clockwise will decrease it.
Adjustment:
To adjust the rainfall reading by 2% turn both screws 1/8 of a turn.
To adjust the rainfall reading by 4% turn both screws 1/4 of a turn.
To adjust the rainfall reading by 8% turn both screws 1/2 of a turn."
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Open up the rain bucket. Two phillips screws in there. Just turn them both the same amount, not quite a quarter turn, to make the tipper move sooner to empty the rain out.
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It this high number of lightning strikes normal on a cloudy day? I did have rain earlier but it was about six hours prior to the recent strikes.
(https://7556552.dotster.com/photos/Screen-Shot-2018-09-26-at-12.19.28-PM.jpg)
EDIT: Within the last hour, the number of strikes is now close to 1000! The storm that went through was early AM. No rain or stikes showing on radar maps.
(https://7556552.dotster.com/photos/Screen-Shot-2018-09-26-at-1.18.01-PM.jpg)
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Watch lightning strikes live here:
http://en.blitzortung.org/live_lightning_maps.php?map=30
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Yes...I was looking at various lightning maps. I am in SW Ohio.
40 minutes later, it is up to over 1200!
This is posted close to a rural farm fence with power lines about 100 feet or so away.
Edit: I am up to over 1800 now. It seems the stronger the sun, the more strikes. I did contact support and they told me to remove the lithium batteries and install alkaline and then reset the Access and see what happens. Odd also is that the strikes are recorded at prior to the actual time (ie real-time/Access time is 4:00 pm but the strike is recorded at 4:33 pm).
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I opened the rain bucket to calibrate the rain gauge and the solar cable plug came unplugged. I plugged it back in and everything seems to be working OK.
I can’t hear the fan. I assume as long as I’m getting UV and solar readings everything is plugged back in correctly?
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I opened the rain bucket to calibrate the rain gauge and the solar cable plug came unplugged. I plugged it back in and everything seems to be working OK.
I can’t hear the fan. I assume as long as I’m getting UV and solar readings everything is plugged back in correctly?
You are probably OK. The fan is extremely quiet.
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I ended up with 2122 lightning strike reports today! They only slowed down after the sun went down.
In the meantime, I did remove the batteries, reinstalled the lightning detector, reset the Access and that did not help.
Will see what happens once the sun comes back up and then contact support.
(https://7556552.dotster.com/photos/IMG_4487.jpg)
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What way do you turn the screws to increase the rain amount in the atlas? Noticed mine’s a little off also.
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I ended up with 2122 lightning strike reports today! They only slowed down after the sun went down.
In the meantime, I did remove the batteries, reinstalled the lightning detector, reset the Access and that did not help.
Will see what happens once the sun comes back up and then contact support.
(https://7556552.dotster.com/photos/IMG_4487.jpg)
Same thing too for me. The last small gradual hump in the graph is legit, since we did have storms come nearby, but not earlier. My Atlas is about 30 feet from my house and farther than that from other structures. I made sure the lightening detector is fully snapped in on both sides as well.
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My small hump during the AM was due to a storm and when I woke up, was happy to see that. However, the rest was during a nice day, no storms around. My station is basically in a field.
Interesting you had the same issue at the about the same time. I also double checked and made sure I heard the detector snap in and saw the two tabs engaged securely.
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I am also getting a large number of false lightning strikes with my Atlas unit, which is mounted 10 feet off the ground approximately 40 feet from my house (see attachment). Are you using lithium batteries? I got in touch with Acurite support and they suggested that these false positives are caused by lithium batteries. They suggest changing them out for normal alkaline batteries. Will try this over the weekend. I'm a bit skeptical of this diagnosis but will try and see if it corrects the problem.
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What way do you turn the screws to increase the rain amount in the atlas? Noticed mine’s a little off also.
For the Atlas its undocumented. I followed the documented information for the 5-N-1 listed in this post.
http://www.wxforum.net/index.php?topic=35084.msg359410#msg359410
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I am also getting a large number of false lightning strikes with my Atlas unit, which is mounted 10 feet off the ground approximately 40 feet from my house (see attachment). Are you using lithium batteries? I got in touch with Acurite support and they suggested that these false positives are caused by lithium batteries. They suggest changing them out for normal alkaline batteries. Will try this over the weekend. I'm a bit skeptical of this diagnosis but will try and see if it corrects the problem.
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I too am a little skeptical about the batteries having anything to do with this. It is probably a local electrical noise (interference) source. If you have a portable AM radio, you might be able to use it as a "sniffer" to detect noises. This sometimes works, but if the noise is well below the AM band, it might not. If you could identify and quell the offending source, it might help.
Did Acu-Rite put any adjustments in the console for the lightning detector? I believe that they are using the AS-3935 which has a number of parametric adjustments in the IC for sensitivity. See the datasheet (https://embeddedadventures.com/datasheets/AS3935_Datasheet_EN_v2.pdf). I have one of these detectors interfaced to my Blitzortung controller. I did have to tweak the settings to avoid false responses, but I got it dialed in for the most part.
Their portable detector allows an "indoor" mode, but admittedly this doesn't make sense for an outdoor weather station sensor unit.
Greg H.
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I am also getting a large number of false lightning strikes with my Atlas unit, which is mounted 10 feet off the ground approximately 40 feet from my house (see attachment). Are you using lithium batteries? I got in touch with Acurite support and they suggested that these false positives are caused by lithium batteries. They suggest changing them out for normal alkaline batteries. Will try this over the weekend. I'm a bit skeptical of this diagnosis but will try and see if it corrects the problem.
I was also told to replace the lithium batteries with normal alkaline batteries.
I did that yesterday and the strikes continued until dark. It is still too early in the morning here to see if today will be different.
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My first thought was exactly the same, however, my Atlas unit is at least 50 feet from any structure and all of these false positives take place during the day, when no one is at home running any device. From mid afternoon until the next morning, there are no false positives. I specifically asked Acurite if the lightning detector had any adjustments but did not receive a reply on this. From looking at the detector, I did not see any way to adjust or calibrate it.
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I too am a little skeptical about the batteries having anything to do with this. It is probably a local electrical noise (interference) source. If you have a portable AM radio, you might be able to use it as a "sniffer" to detect noises. This sometimes works, but if the noise is well below the AM band, it might not. If you could identify and quell the offending source, it might help.
Did Acu-Rite put any adjustments in the console for the lightning detector? I believe that they are using the AS-3935 which has a number of parametric adjustments in the IC for sensitivity. See the datasheet (https://embeddedadventures.com/datasheets/AS3935_Datasheet_EN_v2.pdf). I have one of these detectors interfaced to my Blitzortung controller. I did have to tweak the settings to avoid false responses, but I got it dialed in for the most part.
Their portable detector allows an "indoor" mode, but admittedly this doesn't make sense for an outdoor weather station sensor unit.
Greg H.
Unfortunately, there does not seem to be any adjustments available.
(https://7556552.dotster.com/photos/Screen-Shot-2018-09-27-at-9.08.41-AM.jpg)
Other than another weather station close by, the unit is simply sitting in a field.
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If any of you are in a rural area with electric fences for livestock, the fences are a potential source of interference for lightning detectors.
Just an idea....
Greg H.
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hi you may have stumbled across something to look closer .. it doesnt happen after daylight stops after darkness sets in .. wonder if its solar panel components on unit ..?. just a thought .. looks an awesome piece of hardware..
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This is a wild shot in the dark regarding the high number of lightning strikes during the day: another poster mentioned the solar panels, and that could be it. A poor quality solar panel can easily develop arcing shorts that might appear as "lightning" to the sensor.
I don't believe AcuRite is buying the best solar panels. When I did a detailed teardown and examination of my 5 in 1 Pro+ that failed (out of warranty of course) I found that both solar panels had delaminations on all layers and electrical checks showed breaks and cross-bank shorts. One of the panels had a lot of moisture in it too.
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If any of you are in a rural area with electric fences for livestock, the fences are a potential source of interference for lightning detectors.
Yep. In the last few weeks I've had several intense bouts of false lightning readings on the farm. myAcurite has been marking them as "interference". I haven't seen anything like it since Atlas testing started.
It appears the interference has been coming from a wonky electric fence controller about 30 feet away.
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No strikes reported today, although it is cloudy out. Wonder if it was a server side issue?
I have a farm fence but it is not electric...just good ole barbed wire!
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I have hundreds of lightning strikes indicated yet shows interference=0 and distance=1 in the feed to myacurite
changing from lithium to alkaline reduced the problem but still lots of incorrectly counted strikes.
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I have hundreds of lightning strikes indicated yet shows interference=0 and distance=1 in the feed to myacurite
changing from lithium to alkaline reduced the problem but still lots of incorrectly counted strikes.
Dumb question...where are you able to see the feed of interference=0 and distance=1?
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although it is ssl encrypted to myacurite, the access does not verify the peer so it is possible to view the information it is sending every 5 minutes
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mine is coming tomorrow!
if anyone is interested, I got mine for this price..
https://www.amazon.com/AcuRite-01007M-Touchscreen-Monitoring-Lightning/dp/B074XKB239/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1538084639&sr=8-1&keywords=acurite+atlas+01007m
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mine is coming tomorrow!
if anyone is interested, I got mine for this price..
https://www.amazon.com/AcuRite-01007M-Touchscreen-Monitoring-Lightning/dp/B074XKB239/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1538084639&sr=8-1&keywords=acurite+atlas+01007m
That link does not keep a static price. It only shows a current price. So we don't know what you paid unless you tell us.
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hi you may have stumbled across something to look closer .. it doesnt happen after daylight stops after darkness sets in .. wonder if its solar panel components on unit ..?. just a thought .. looks an awesome piece of hardware..
I would guess sparks on the aspirating fan motor brushes before a glitch in solid-state solar panels, but I have no idea what kind of motor they used or if they put a cap across the motor terminals to deal with arcing.....
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I use an extension on Amazon called Keepa to track prices:
https://keepa.com/
I also use an extension called The Camelizer to track prices:
https://camelcamelcamel.com/camelizer
I prefer Keepa because it is more responsive to fluctuations during the day. You will be surprised at how volatile Amazon's prices are.
This is a Keepa graph of the price changes on the Atlas bundle in question:
https://dyn.keepa.com/pricehistory.png?domain=com&asin=B074XKB239
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mine is coming tomorrow!
if anyone is interested, I got mine for this price..
https://www.amazon.com/AcuRite-01007M-Touchscreen-Monitoring-Lightning/dp/B074XKB239/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1538084639&sr=8-1&keywords=acurite+atlas+01007m
That link does not keep a static price. It only shows a current price. So we don't know what you paid unless you tell us.
sorry; I paid 254 wednesday, and it dropped to 253 today..
needless to say, the prices on Amazon are alot better than on the Acurite website..
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I have hundreds of lightning strikes indicated yet shows interference=0 and distance=1 in the feed to myacurite
changing from lithium to alkaline reduced the problem but still lots of incorrectly counted strikes.
Yup, I did the same thing last night and received 24 false lightning strikes throughout the day, not including the big spike. The big spike has 34 strikes which is when I switched the batteries to alkaline. I did not touch the lightning detector at all when I changed them. [ You are not allowed to view attachments ]
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quick setup question on the Atlas; from what I can tell, starting from new, I should first plug in the display, (inserting a spare sd card), then insert the lightning detector and the batteries in the outdoor sensor, mount it up, then go back to the display and "find" the outdoor sensor, and while that is happening, connect the Access to my router, and wait about 30 minutes for that to "find" stuff, and then do my customizing on the display..
Does that sound correct, or should I do things in a different order? Not sure what kind, if any, actual instructions will come with this thing..
thanks!
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Atlas Startup Video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FsvpuCtCyUk
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Why would the type of battery (lithium vs alkaline) affect the functioning of the lightning detector?
Or: why is Acurite advising the use of alkaline batteries, to some users whose Atlas lightning detectors are over-reporting?
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Atlas Startup Video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FsvpuCtCyUk
thanks; I've seen that one, but there is no mention of when to plug the Access into your router..I guess since it says it takes up to 30 minutes for it to join the network, it can be plugged into the router anytime after the sensor and display are setup?
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Thanks for these updates. I would like more when possible.
What is the best way to get it to the internet/personal website.
May be in the running for a Christmas present.
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Regarding the impact of lithium vs. alkaline batteries on false lightning detection readings, here's what Acurite told me: "Lithium batteries disburse voltage unevenly and can cause a concern when the voltage is higher than 1.5v."
I'll be switching batteries in the next day or two and will see if they make a difference.
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What is the best way to get it to the internet/personal website.
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Right now, you can't - easily at least.
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Regarding the impact of lithium vs. alkaline batteries on false lightning detection readings, here's what Acurite told me: "Lithium batteries disburse voltage unevenly and can cause a concern when the voltage is higher than 1.5v."
I'll be switching batteries in the next day or two and will see if they make a difference.
And yet they recommend them! https://www.acurite.com/media/manuals/06045-instructions.pdf
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What is the appropriate diameter size for the pole that fits the Atlas sensor ? is it the same as 5in1 ? I see through the pictures that the free mounting bracket that comes with the sensor resembles the one with 5in1 so I just want to make sure.
Abusuzuki
I did not see where any one gave you a good answer for you pipe size question looks like 1.60 inches woul be really tight so proper pipe size would be 3/4"-1" tubing size you could get by with with 1 1/4" even 1.5" tubing but not pipe
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What is the appropriate diameter size for the pole that fits the Atlas sensor ? is it the same as 5in1 ? I see through the pictures that the free mounting bracket that comes with the sensor resembles the one with 5in1 so I just want to make sure.
Abusuzuki
I did not see where any one gave you a good answer for you pipe size question looks like 1.60 inches woul be really tight so proper pipe size would be 3/4"-1" tubing size you could get by with with 1 1/4" even 1.5" tubing but not pipe
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Acurite support recently posted that the largest diameter supported is 1 1/4".
I assumed they meant outside diameter, but now you've got me wondering...
UPDATE: I've measured the opening with a ruler and the opening appears to be 1 1/2" in width. So you'll want to have a pole that's LESS THAN 1 1/2" in diameter. Note the opening isn't circular, but longer on one axis to accommodate the pole settling into a "notch" and being tensioned with the integrated mounting bolt. (see photo)
Ugh. Looking at the photo I just uploaded, the "notch" itself appears slightly narrower in width. Let's just call it accepting a maximum outside diameter of 1 1/4" to be safe. ;)
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With regard to the new display, is there a way to make the display go to sleep and then wake it up with the touch and then have it automatically go back to sleep?
It seems to be a waste to leave the display on all day when away.
Also, I normally keep the display in a bedroom and the night time setting seems to be bright as well despite turning the brightness all the way down. When you wake it up from the night time setting, it does not go back to the night time setting and the display is at full brightness again.
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What is the appropriate diameter size for the pole that fits the Atlas sensor ? is it the same as 5in1 ? I see through the pictures that the free mounting bracket that comes with the sensor resembles the one with 5in1 so I just want to make sure.
Abusuzuki
I did not see where any one gave you a good answer for you pipe size question looks like 1.60 inches woul be really tight so proper pipe size would be 3/4"-1" tubing size you could get by with with 1 1/4" even 1.5" tubing but not pipe
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Acurite support recently posted that the largest diameter supported is 1 1/4".
I assumed they meant outside diameter, but now you've got me wondering...
UPDATE: I've measured the opening with a ruler and the opening appears to be 1 1/2" in width. So you'll want to have a pole that's LESS THAN 1 1/2" in diameter. Note the opening isn't circular, but longer on one axis to accommodate the pole settling into a "notch" and being tensioned with the integrated mounting bolt. (see photo)
Ugh. Looking at the photo I just uploaded, the "notch" itself appears slightly narrower in width. Let's just call it accepting a maximum outside diameter of 1 1/4" to be safe. ;)
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Which would be tubing Not Pipe Tubing measured outside diameter Pipe measured Inside diameter 1 inch pipe is the largest that will fit on which is aprox 1.38" I measured and I also tried it.
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With regard to the new display, is there a way to make the display go to sleep and then wake it up with the touch and then have it automatically go back to sleep?
It seems to be a waste to leave the display on all day when away.
Also, I normally keep the display in a bedroom and the night time setting seems to be bright as well despite turning the brightness all the way down. When you wake it up from the night time setting, it does not go back to the night time setting and the display is at full brightness again.
Yes. Under Setup => Display => Backlight there’s a sleep mode setup screen to put it into auto sleep and auto wakeup. While in sleep mode touching the screen will wake it up. To put it back to sleep, touch the Zz icon on the lower left bottom of the display. You can adjust the brightness by clicking the light blub icon on the lower left side of the display. I think there are three settings, dim, bright and Auto.
Update: You may need to select Yes on the auto dim screen to get to the Auto Sleep setup screen.
Setup => Display => Backlight => Auto Dim "Yes" => Auto Sleep Mode
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Regarding the impact of lithium vs. alkaline batteries on false lightning detection readings, here's what Acurite told me: "Lithium batteries disburse voltage unevenly and can cause a concern when the voltage is higher than 1.5v."
I'll be switching batteries in the next day or two and will see if they make a difference.
And yet they recommend them! https://www.acurite.com/media/manuals/06045-instructions.pdf
Wrong lightning detector, its this one. It uses power from the batteries that are put into the Atlas its self.
https://www.acurite.com/atlas-lightning-detection-sensor.html
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Wrong lightning detector, its this one. It uses power from the batteries that are put into the Atlas its self.
https://www.acurite.com/atlas-lightning-detection-sensor.html
Good clarification - issue for me is with model#06075M, REV0710, QC 4117
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I found this article regarding battery noise. If anything, lithium is a quieter chemistry according to this person who ran the tests. The paper seems credible to me.
See http://www.hoffmann-hochfrequenz.de/downloads/NoiseMeasurementsOnChemicalBatteries.pdf (http://www.hoffmann-hochfrequenz.de/downloads/NoiseMeasurementsOnChemicalBatteries.pdf)
The prior Acu-Rite detector instructions have some useful suggestions regarding noise as does this area (https://www.wxforum.net/index.php?topic=20439.0) under Blitzortung.
My previous question/comment about settings was not well thought through. Most of these weather station sensor suites are "one-way" transmitters and making changes to the detector would require a back-channel communication means.
Greg H.
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It is a bright and sunny day here in Ohio and the false lightning strikes are starting up again.
I had zero yesterday on a cloudy and dreary day.
I already have the alkaline batteries installed. It seems to be sunshine related.
Thanks about the zzz on the display sleep. I had everything set up. I would like to keep it in bedroom if possible.
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Wrong lightning detector, its this one. It uses power from the batteries that are put into the Atlas its self.
https://www.acurite.com/atlas-lightning-detection-sensor.html
Good clarification - issue for me is with model#06075M, REV0710, QC 4117
I have the same "REV0710, QC 4117" detector using Energizer Ultimate Lithium batteries in the Atlas and no false lightning detection readings. Knock on Wood! I need the lithium batteries for cold Minnesota.
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It is a bright and sunny day here in Ohio and the false lightning strikes are starting up again.
I had zero yesterday on a cloudy and dreary day.
I already have the alkaline batteries installed. It seems to be sunshine related.
Thanks about the zzz on the display sleep. I had everything set up. I would like to keep it in bedroom if possible.
Maybe the fan motor is making noise?
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as i mentioned above possibly solar panel,related or there is another internal component resonating noise at the frequency. i have used these low cost lightning components and there are many nearby localized appliances that cause false lightning can even trigger one by flipping my zippo lighter if i put it right next to it and roll the flint .. but for sure the guy reporting night and overcast versus daylight sunlight points to the solar panel,or a component measuring uv, solar etc.. anyway other than that im quite impressed in its appearance and may i ask is it a solid constructed piece of hardware .. i may even justify the 40% import tariff ..
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mines been setup for 4 hours now, outside of Phoenix, no clouds, or anything, and I already have 73 lightning strikes!
otherwise, setup has been a breeze, everything is pretty accurate, how long until WU shows my station? I think I remember it takes 4-5 hours, but not sure..
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It is definitely starting to sound like there is a flaw in the lightning detection system. Hopefully Acurite will be able to correct it.
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Has anyone asked acurite for an explanation beyond just trading battery types? I want to buy an atlas at $173 on Amazon but if the lightning detector is defective, I'll wait until they fix it.
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Has anyone asked acurite for an explanation beyond just trading battery types? I want to buy an atlas at $173 on Amazon but if the lightning detector is defective, I'll wait until they fix it.
Amazons $173 kit doesn't include the lightning detector. If you want the detector you need the $253 kit or add the detector ala carte.
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It is definitely starting to sound like there is a flaw in the lightning detection system. Hopefully Acurite will be able to correct it.
I don't know if it is a "flaw" per se. It is probably a combination of local noise (interference sources) and a too-sensitive calibration. Those of us who participate in Blitzortung know all about this and have spent a lot of time chasing down noises and tweaking the detector controller. There are a lot of "knobs" on the Blitzortung controller to play with, but it looks like the Acu-Rite sensor has none. That's too bad, because if my guess about the Atlas detector IC is correct, the chip is quite configurable.
I do have Acu-Rite's portable stand-alone lightning detector that uses the AS3935 chip. I have placed it side-by-side with the AS3935 that I have interfaced to my Blitzortung RED controller. Most of the time they agree well, but I have needed to tweak the one that I can.
If the Atlas detector is the same one, perhaps there is a way to force it into "indoor" mode via serial commands or some mod? Maybe some of the WxForum super-hackers will figure out a way..
Greg H.
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Do any of you remember the old style thermostat with the mercury bubble to activate the AC system? I remember those as a kid in my parents house. I liked taking the cover off to watch the mercury roll and activate the AC. It was fun because it would spark, like a little electrical lighting flash inside the mercury bubble.
Since the false positives are happening in the middle of the day (when the AC would be more active) and not as much at night, is it possible some of you have this old style mercury switch thermostats that are causing you false lighting strikes?
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Has anyone asked acurite for an explanation beyond just trading battery types? I want to buy an atlas at $173 on Amazon but if the lightning detector is defective, I'll wait until they fix it.
Amazons $173 kit doesn't include the lightning detector. If you want the detector you need the $253 kit or add the detector ala carte.
I know but I was going to get the $173 and buy the lightning detector. The $250 one includes the access, already have that.
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Do any of you remember the old style thermostat with the mercury bubble to activate the AC system? I remember those as a kid in my parents house. I liked taking the cover off to watch the mercury roll and activate the AC. It was fun because it would spark, like a little electrical lighting flash inside the mercury bubble.
Since the false positives are happening in the middle of the day (when the AC would be more active) and not as much at night, is it possible some of you have this old style mercury switch thermostats that are causing you false lighting strikes?
No...mine is doing without the AC on where the Access. The AC is on during the night though and there are no strikes reported.
It does seem to do it much less on cool days but still does it when the sun is strong on a cool day.
I can hear a pretty good hum inside the Atlas with calm winds so I am figuring that is the fan going.
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Has anyone asked acurite for an explanation beyond just trading battery types? I want to buy an atlas at $173 on Amazon but if the lightning detector is defective, I'll wait until they fix it.
Amazons $173 kit doesn't include the lightning detector. If you want the detector you need the $253 kit or add the detector ala carte.
I know but I was going to get the $173 and buy the lightning detector. The $250 one includes the access, already have that.
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I just did that last night. Originally I was going to buy the $253 bundle and that would have given me a spare Access since I already have one. That was when the Atlas and Display bundle was $199.Then last night I saw they lowered the price. So I bought the $175 bundle and the lighting detector from Acurite. A few days ago I also ordered the wind extension and battery pack.
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Is the aspirating fan in the Atlas variable speed or is it either on or off?
I’ve noticed a +- 3 degree change in temperature when the Atlas jumps from shade to sun from a tree. The graph on WU looks like a saw tooth. I was hoping for a more consistent temperature.
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here in the Arizona desert, I noticed about a 1.5 degree jump when the sun is beating down on it, so not sure if yours is unusual or not; i've only had this for a day, so not sure what it would be like in the dead of summer..
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Is the aspirating fan in the Atlas variable speed or is it either on or off?
I’ve noticed a +- 3 degree change in temperature when the Atlas jumps from shade to sun from a tree. The graph on WU looks like a saw tooth. I was hoping for a more consistent temperature.
It is hotter in the sun, and as a result, the thermometer will rise in response. You do not take a temperature under a tree. Many think that is the place to shield their sensors, but it is a bad siting.
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Within 10-minute periods my Atlas is in and out of direct sunlight because of trees. My thoughts are that the ambient air and the fan within the Atlas should be keeping the temperature more consistent than the +- 3-degree spikes. I would think I should see a slow increase of temp when the sunlight is hitting the Atas, and not the spikes.
The temps during night time and overcast days are spot on and better that the old 5-N-1. My daily highs have been 3-degress higher than it should be and that's why I began wondering what was going on.
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Here's two graphs from WU comparing temps (every 5 mins) with my neighbor. My neighbor has an Ambient WS-1001 mounted on top of his garage and is 50 yards from mine. My neighbors temp creates a smooth arch, while mine shows the spikes.
My Atlas:
(http://i63.tinypic.com/vxond0.jpg)
Neighbors Ambient Weather WS-1001:
(http://i63.tinypic.com/2co6a0z.jpg)
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My thoughts are that the ambient air and the fan within the Atlas should be keeping the temperature more consistent than the +- 3-degree spikes. I would think I should see a slow increase of temp when the sunlight is hitting the Atas, and not the spikes.
You're aspirated, he's not, and I believe your sensor and maybe even update interval has a greater/quicker response time (not positive here) than his. All this equates to a more "spiked" look to your graph. I have no idea how well your radiation shield performs, but everything else is to be expected.
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My thoughts are that the ambient air and the fan within the Atlas should be keeping the temperature more consistent than the +- 3-degree spikes. I would think I should see a slow increase of temp when the sunlight is hitting the Atas, and not the spikes.
You're aspirated, he's not, and I believe your sensor and maybe even update interval has a greater/quicker response time (not positive here) than his. All this equates to a more "spiked" look to your graph. I have no idea how well your radiation shield performs, but everything else is to be expected.
Thanks, you're making me think about things. I guess I need to get my head around the idea that the surrounding air can heat up quickly when direct sun passes though the trees. If I get a bug up my butt I can always disconnect the fan and see how it compares with my neighbors.
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My thoughts are that the ambient air and the fan within the Atlas should be keeping the temperature more consistent than the +- 3-degree spikes. I would think I should see a slow increase of temp when the sunlight is hitting the Atas, and not the spikes.
You're aspirated, he's not, and I believe your sensor and maybe even update interval has a greater/quicker response time (not positive here) than his. All this equates to a more "spiked" look to your graph. I have no idea how well your radiation shield performs, but everything else is to be expected.
If I get a bug up my butt I can always disconnect the fan and see how it compares with my neighbors.
Sure. With that, the last thing you want is a radiation shield specifically designed for aspiration that's now passive. Once again, whether yours is designed like that, no idea.
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Atlas wunderground updates are every 10 seconds, but the temperature updates are actually every 30 seconds if memory serves.
To disable the aspiration fan as an experiment, you should be able to pull the cable harness plug under the rain collector.
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Thanks for the input guys! Gave me good stuff to think about. I think I'm going to wait until the leaves fall off the trees next month. That way I will have no shadows and should have matching sunlight results with my neighbor.
I have the old 5-N-1 mounted six feet lower on the same poll and the Atlas's temps are far more accurate. The Atlas's temperature readings for overcast days and night time are spot on.
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The saw tooth temps are real. Why would you want smooth temps like your neighbor? If your neighbor is in full sun and you have trees then you are measuring your real microclimate. Nothing wrong with your equipment nor with your siting if that is the reality of your environment. I have an Ambient Weather station and I get the saw tooth too. This is because there are lots of clouds coming and going. Clouds change the temperature in the same way that trees with leaves change the temperature. Take a look at my graphs and compare my saw tooth temperature to my solar radiation and it matches. If before you were used to smoother temperatures that is because before there was more averaging going on with the hardware rather than being more live.
If your neighbor has an Ambient Weather with an ObserverIP then the ObserverIP is responsible for the smooth temperature averaging. I don't like that averaging for Weather Underground, which is why I upload to Weather Underground using my display console directly for WU, and everything else goes through my Meteobridge. For weather networks that receive my upload only every 5 minutes like CWOP then the averaging makes sense in having rather than a given split second moment every 5 minutes.
The Meteobridge doesn't do averaging I don't think. In my case it is because the Meteobridge gets the data from the ObserverIP that does the averaging. I tested this by comparing what the ObserverIP could send directly to WU versus my display console.
Here is my comparison post discussion with more details and why for WU I prefer the saw tooth temperatures.
https://www.wxforum.net/index.php?topic=34976.0
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A daily high of 2-3 degrees higher than it should have been started me wondering about the accuracy of the temperature readings. I’ve now figured out that the daily high on the HD display is a rounded-up value. So, a temperature of 60.1 will show as a rounded up daily high of 61. So, what I thought were temperature spikes was more of a rounding thing.
I now think with everyone’s input and more observation on my part that the temperature spikes were not as bad as I thought. Probably inline for what they should be. Watching the display and seeing the temperature spike 2-3 degrees had me wondering.
Thanks for everyone’s input!
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So, a temperature of 60.1 will show as a rounded up daily high of 61.
Shouldn't be that way, 0.5F always rounds up just as 0.4F rounds down.
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So, a temperature of 60.1 will show as a rounded up daily high of 61.
Shouldn't be that way, 0.5F always rounds up just as 0.4F rounds down.
Agreed. The HD display for the Atlas rounds down for the daily low and rounds up for the daily high. The HD display for the 5-N-1 works correctly and works as you state above. Not sure about the 5-N-1 HD display.
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So, a temperature of 60.1 will show as a rounded up daily high of 61.
Shouldn't be that way, 0.5F always rounds up just as 0.4F rounds down.
Agreed. The HD display for the Atlas rounds down for the daily low and rounds up for the daily high.
So you're saying if your actual low is say 60.9, your display says it's was 60F and if the high was 70.1 it'll say 71F?
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So, a temperature of 60.1 will show as a rounded up daily high of 61.
Shouldn't be that way, 0.5F always rounds up just as 0.4F rounds down.
Agreed. The HD display for the Atlas rounds down for the daily low and rounds up for the daily high.
So your saying if your actual low is say 60.9, your display says it's was 60F and if the high was 70.1 it'll say 71F?
Correct. I verified it worked that way yesterday for the daily high, and last night for the daily low.
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So, a temperature of 60.1 will show as a rounded up daily high of 61.
Shouldn't be that way, 0.5F always rounds up just as 0.4F rounds down.
Agreed. The HD display for the Atlas rounds down for the daily low and rounds up for the daily high.
So your saying if your actual low is say 60.9, your display says it's was 60F and if the high was 70.1 it'll say 71F?
Correct. I verified it worked that way yesterday for the daily high, and last night for the daily low.
:lol: What brain surgeon thought that up?? :roll:
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:lol: What brain surgeon thought that up?? :roll:
Ben Carson possibly? :lol: :lol:
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Mine is doing the rounding thing. I thought I was seeing things, but it does do this... and why would anyone even have to check for something like that? Crazy.
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NWS standard is 0.5 round up and 0.4 down. That's crazy!
Thanks,
tweatherman
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I pulled the SD card from my Atlas HD display and popped it into my PC to look at. The card contains one CSV file for each day. Data every
10 minutes 10 seconds. I copied one day’s file to my Dropbox if anyone wants to view it. Viewable using Excel. Each file was 2,659 KB in size.
https://www.dropbox.com/s/arudx0zkcshsfhh/20180930.csv?dl=0
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I pulled the SD card from my Atlas HD display and popped it into my PC to look at. The card contains one CSV file for each day. Data every 10 minutes. I copied one day’s file to my Dropbox if anyone wants to view it. Viewable using Excel. Each file was 2,659 KB in size.
https://www.dropbox.com/s/arudx0zkcshsfhh/20180930.csv?dl=0
Thanks worachj! I forgot about the SD card data. I will use it to compare with what I am getting out of the Access. Particularly the lightning readings - I have notice the console has indicated interference at times, but interference has always been 0 in data from the Access.
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Thank you but that appears to be every 10 seconds, not 10 minutes :grin:
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opps! and fixed.
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First for me, seeing 100% humidity on my Atlas HD display, WU and MyAcuRite. Never saw it from my 5-N-1.
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The 5n1 only goes to 99%, but when the sensor chip gets dirty, the reading starts becoming less than it should be at night, and more than it should by day. The Atlas has a fine screen surrounding the air sensor chip to prevent a lot of the junk in the air from getting on the chip. I have 100% almost every night in this humid area.
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How do the Atlas temperatures compare to other sensors in your surrounding areas and compare to your 5 in 1 during sunny days? Are night temps still cooler by a couple degrees on the Atlas?
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The Atlas beats my 5n1 both for daytime highs and lows. Nighttime is usually a degree higher. My 5n1 died before Florence unfortunately. It was nearly 4 yrs old, and been through a lot of bad weather, and wetness. It ate batteries also.
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I’m running both stations on the same pole, atlas@12ft and 5-N-1@6ft. The 5-N-1 runs hotter during the day and cooler at night when compared to the Atlas. For me the cooler at night problem of the 5-N-1 is fixed on the Atlas. Still undecided on direct sunlight due to a week of overcast & drizzly weather. In direct sunlight the Atlas runs 1-2 degrees cooler than the 5-N-1.
I bought the Atlas because I was unhappy with the 5-N-1 temperature readings. For the most part my Atlas seems to be spot on. I’m happy I switched.
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The Atlas beats my 5n1 both for daytime highs and lows. Nighttime is usually a degree higher. My 5n1 died before Florence unfortunately. It was nearly 4 yrs old, and been through a lot of bad weather, and wetness. It ate batteries also.
I was just checking your two gauges, one said 85 and one said 88. I assume the 85 was the Atlas?
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So, a temperature of 60.1 will show as a rounded up daily high of 61.
Shouldn't be that way, 0.5F always rounds up just as 0.4F rounds down.
Agreed. The HD display for the Atlas rounds down for the daily low and rounds up for the daily high. The HD display for the 5-N-1 works correctly and works as you state above. Not sure about the 5-N-1 HD display.
I was wondering today why the high temperature recorded in Atlas display 44 while in my acurite 43 , But why do they program it in such a misleading way? I wish the display was showing high and low temperatures with decimal numbers.
(https://i.imgur.com/ObjzPON.png)
(https://i.imgur.com/aaIsKKW.jpg)
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The Atlas beats my 5n1 both for daytime highs and lows. Nighttime is usually a degree higher. My 5n1 died before Florence unfortunately. It was nearly 4 yrs old, and been through a lot of bad weather, and wetness. It ate batteries also.
I was just checking your two gauges, one said 85 and one said 88. I assume the 85 was the Atlas?
KNCJACKS23 is the atlas. KCNCJACKS12 is a Fine Offset. The fine offset is screwed up since the solar pod is broken, so now the thermometer is jumping too high in the mid 80s... It didn't do that before when the solar light was working.
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The Atlas HD display has an Storm alert. What event(s) trigger the storm alert?
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The Atlas HD display has an Storm alert. What event(s) trigger the storm alert?
I suspect a rapid decrease in pressure? Based off of previous displays, I think it was a rapid decrease in pressure within a 3 hour period. Not sure if other variables are used to set off this storm alert?
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The Atlas HD display has an Storm alert. What event(s) trigger the storm alert?
I suspect a rapid decrease in pressure? Based off of previous displays, I think it was a rapid decrease in pressure within a 3 hour period. Not sure if other variables are used to set off this storm alert?
You are right. After seeing your response I went and looked at the 5-N-1 HD Display manual and found this one line for storm alarm "(activated when barometric pressure drops)". I had a fast moving storm blow though my area and the storm alert went off 30 minutes after the rain and wind stopped. Not too helpful for that storm!
The Atlas manual is fine for general information but really lacking in detail.
Rain Gauge Calibration:
My rain gauge is under reporting and needs to be calibrated. So I'm following the calibration instructions for the 5-N-1 since it's undocumented for the Atlas. I've been turning the adjusting screws under the tip bucket a quarter turn clockwise each storm. I've now turned both screws a total of a 1/2 turn clockwise. Waiting for the next storm to check it again. A calibration procedure should be in the manual.
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I agree about the manual...not much information there. I adjusted mine with the help found here.
When dealing with the lightning strikes, I asked about the rain gauge adjustment and never got an anwer...this is all they said:
(06:13:02 PM) Johnson, Ph.D.: Will remove batteries and detector. If it still happens, what is the next step? Also, I noticed the rain buckets probably need to be adjusted. I could not find anything in the manual. How do you do that?
(06:13:43 PM) Meghan: They are calibrated in the factory
(06:14:20 PM) Johnson, Ph.D.: My rain is off about about .05" (I have two other rain gauges)
(06:15:29 PM) Meghan: Just a moment
(06:19:29 PM) Meghan: Did you remove all Styrofoam and tab
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I agree about the manual...not much information there. I adjusted mine with the help found here.
When dealing with the lightning strikes, I asked about the rain gauge adjustment and never got an anwer...this is all they said:
(06:13:02 PM) Johnson, Ph.D.: Will remove batteries and detector. If it still happens, what is the next step? Also, I noticed the rain buckets probably need to be adjusted. I could not find anything in the manual. How do you do that?
(06:13:43 PM) Meghan: They are calibrated in the factory
(06:14:20 PM) Johnson, Ph.D.: My rain is off about about .05" (I have two other rain gauges)
(06:15:29 PM) Meghan: Just a moment
(06:19:29 PM) Meghan: Did you remove all Styrofoam and tab
That's why I post here, for the great help and more accurate information.
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Rain Gauge Calibration:
My rain gauge is under reporting and needs to be calibrated. So I'm following the calibration instructions for the 5-N-1 since it's undocumented for the Atlas. I've been turning the adjusting screws under the tip bucket a quarter turn clockwise each storm. I've now turned both screws a total of a 1/2 turn clockwise. Waiting for the next storm to check it again. A calibration procedure should be in the manual.
I suspect we will see written instructions and perhaps a video later.
With the 5n1, somehow some folks got the idea that they MUST calibrate the rain gauge before trying to use it. Support is now trying to push the idea that the units are sufficiently calibrated from the factory. There's no harm in calibration, but beginners tend to mess it up, particularly on the 5n1.
Also remember that different gauges mounted at different heights and locations might disagree due to wind effects. I only trust a well-mounted CoCoRaHS gauge for "truth".
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So, a temperature of 60.1 will show as a rounded up daily high of 61.
Shouldn't be that way, 0.5F always rounds up just as 0.4F rounds down.
Yea, same thing with my display. It just read 72.0 and then it went to 72.2 and the recorded high went from 72 to 73. It did not hit 72.5 yet at that moment to bring the recorded high to 73.
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Rain Gauge Calibration:
My rain gauge is under reporting and needs to be calibrated. So I'm following the calibration instructions for the 5-N-1 since it's undocumented for the Atlas. I've been turning the adjusting screws under the tip bucket a quarter turn clockwise each storm. I've now turned both screws a total of a 1/2 turn clockwise. Waiting for the next storm to check it again. A calibration procedure should be in the manual.
I suspect we will see written instructions and perhaps a video later.
With the 5n1, somehow some folks got the idea that they MUST calibrate the rain gauge before trying to use it. Support is now trying to push the idea that the units are sufficiently calibrated from the factory. There's no harm in calibration, but beginners tend to mess it up, particularly on the 5n1.
Also remember that different gauges mounted at different heights and locations might disagree due to wind effects. I only trust a well-mounted CoCoRaHS gauge for "truth".
The only thing that really matters is what I think is accurate and what makes me happy. :grin:
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Completely new to this forum, found this thread searching lightning and AcuRite 01007M. I have had weather stations for about 6-7 years now, started with ambient weather 1080 I think connected to laptop with was it sanday? Anyways I read in here that someone else seems to have the lightning issue I am with the constant false lightning strikes and theirs too was much worse/only happening with sunlight.
Biggest thing I have to share is I borrowed my moms AcuRite 02020 Portable Lightning Detector and sat it with in 10 feet of ws and over the course of hours it did no record one false strike. This detector has prove reliable for us in past. I believe issue is with new weather station, not my location.
I put my AcuRite 01007M up yesterday and started getting false strikes/interference readings immediately, tried some other locations in the front yard with no success. Moved it to the back yard and had no issues so I blamed it on power lines in the front yard. Put the ws on one of my sheds just above the metal roof (quickest easiest set up) at around 5:30 to 6 pm and had not false strikes until 8:30 AM this morning when it started going off every few seconds and saying interference. Tried moving it around yard, using alkaline batteries (was using energizer lithium) and still had same problem. Later on read information in this thread, got me thinking about the solar panels/maybe the fan, so tried putting in heavy shade. No issues in heavy shade. Put back in sun on certain side and very quickly got false strikes. Covered up solar panels and no more false strikes (last test was not very thorough, it was already past 3:00 pm and there was not a lot of time given for test).
I am really starting to think problem lies in the solar panels or fan.
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Thanks for the post. You might want to make any future posts in a thread dedicated to this topic: https://www.wxforum.net/index.php?topic=35162.0
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Thank you, posting it there now.
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Completely new to this forum, found this thread searching lightning and AcuRite 01007M. I have had weather stations for about 6-7 years now, started with ambient weather 1080 I think connected to laptop with was it sanday? Anyways I read in here that someone else seems to have the lightning issue I am with the constant false lightning strikes and theirs too was much worse/only happening with sunlight.
Biggest thing I have to share is I borrowed my moms AcuRite 02020 Portable Lightning Detector and sat it with in 10 feet of ws and over the course of hours it did no record one false strike. This detector has prove reliable for us in past. I believe issue is with new weather station, not my location.
I put my AcuRite 01007M up yesterday and started getting false strikes/interference readings immediately, tried some other locations in the front yard with no success. Moved it to the back yard and had no issues so I blamed it on power lines in the front yard. Put the ws on one of my sheds just above the metal roof (quickest easiest set up) at around 5:30 to 6 pm and had not false strikes until 8:30 AM this morning when it started going off every few seconds and saying interference. Tried moving it around yard, using alkaline batteries (was using energizer lithium) and still had same problem. Later on read information in this thread, got me thinking about the solar panels/maybe the fan, so tried putting in heavy shade. No issues in heavy shade. Put back in sun on certain side and very quickly got false strikes. Covered up solar panels and no more false strikes (last test was not very thorough, it was already past 3:00 pm and there was not a lot of time given for test).
I am really starting to think problem lies in the solar panels or fan.
Your A-B-A experiment is valuable and seems to support the fan hypothesis.
My guess would be that it is electrical noise from the motor brushes. Or, possible PWM if they control the speed. I sort of doubt the later though.
I am wondering if there was a supplier change in the motor that has noisier motor brushes. (assuming that this is typical DC brush-type motor)
Possibly the battery impedance acts as a filtering capacitor for this noise in some cases. (if that is what is going on...)
Not throwing darts at Acu-Rite here. As a Davis VP2 owner, I think that the Davis DFARS fan leaves a lot to be desired also.
My AS3935 interfaced to my Blitzortung controller (http://www.rogerscityweather.com/froula/as3935_stats.html) has not seen any strikes in several days and is quiet. It is in the same cabinet as two Blitzortung controllers and a TOA Systems controller, so there is potentially plenty of CPU noise nearby.
Greg H.
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My Atlas was messed up out of the box!The UV sensor never did work at all never went above a 3 on sunny complete days!I noticed after putting it up it was overcast for 3 days no false lighting strikes after the 3rd day complete sunshine and no false lighting strikes but it was running +4 degrees warmer than my Davis aspirated and nimbus aspirated could not here the fan at all!Than pulled of the bottom cage and guess what fan was not running at all in complete sunshine solar panels dead south east and west.Pulled the fan down started running and it was pretty noticeable when running.Thats when the lighting detector went crazy pulled out the lighting detector three times and batteries and snapped it back in still all messed up.Pulled it off the pole boxed it up took it back to UPS next day shipped it back to Amazon for that much money this should not be happening at all.I have a Davis Vue now for over 10 years not one problem just the regular battery changes.My aspirated Davis Vantage pro I have had 5 years no problems.I was still running about +2 degrees warmer than my 2 other stations same height and in a row!I am done with Acurite.
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Miraculon, did another test today where I left the solar panels covered all day and registered 0 strikes until a thunderstorm came through tonight and it picked up legitimate strikes. Still only a little over 2 days of testing but I feel pretty confident the solar/fan system is the culprit.
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Miraculon, did another test today where I left the solar panels covered all day and registered 0 strikes until a thunderstorm came through tonight and it picked up legitimate strikes. Still only a little over 2 days of testing but I feel pretty confident the solar/fan system is the culprit.
Thanks for the update. It seems that the evidence is growing to support this theory.
I also wonder if there is a variability in the motor brushes. Has anyone experienced the false strikes during sunny (fan running) conditions that seems to settle down after time? I wonder if the brushes 'break in' and the noise reduces. Or, it could conceivably get worse. Don't know.
If it turns out to be the brush noise, there are ways to filter and reduce it. Also, Acu-Rite could take known noisy fans and tweak the AS3935 parameters to account for the worst case. This might be (probably would be) a trade-off in the actual detection of lightning.
It will be interesting to see how this all sorts out.
Greg H.
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What's with the atlas rain rate compared to the 5 in 1. In very heavy rainfall my 5 in 1 will say 2 inches an hour while my atlas will say something like .10
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What's with the atlas rain rate compared to the 5 in 1. In very heavy rainfall my 5 in 1 will say 2 inches an hour while my atlas will say something like .10
There are two ways to report rain rate and they represent slightly different things. So just different ways to report the event. One way is the rain rate at that moment as in if it had continued to rain at that rate for a whole hour straight how much rain would have totaled. The other way is called accumulated rain rate which shows how much has really accumulated that hour.
I prefer the first way which shows how fast it was raining at the moment. The other way is just a summary of what really happened. But since you always also have the total for the day and you can see the total increasing it is a bit redundant to report the actual accumulated rate for a given hour.
Here you can see the very same rain even captured by the same rain gauge but reported to WU with two different software to different station IDs for comparison.
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This is my preferred method that shows rain speed and shows passing showers and how fast it dumped. Using this method you can see that the rain this day came in 3 large waves and you can compare the rate of each wave. Using the other method you really can't make this determination.
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This method is just real accumulated rate for the past hour. Less informative I think and redundant because this information can be gotten by comparing previous accumulated amount (blue line) to whatever it climbs to (new blue line height). That is why on the first rain event of the day the blue line and the green line match up perfectly. ...It is the same information.
Unfortunately it seems like the Atlas Access uses the second method. I don't think there is a way for you to change that. Some software offer a choice in rain rate type.
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What's with the atlas rain rate compared to the 5 in 1. In very heavy rainfall my 5 in 1 will say 2 inches an hour while my atlas will say something like .10
Rain rate isn't measured by the Atlas or 5n1 sensor. It's calculated by the displays or whatever website is receiving the rain data.
A big problem is that different sites calculate it differently. In the past, wunderground has seemed to vary randomly in how they calculate and graph rain rate, but since they've re-coded this year, things have gotten better. However, there are currently some issues with what wunderground host name your Acurite gear sends data to. Wunderground put in a temporary fix, but wunderground and Acurite still have some issues to work out.
I'm not aware of the Atlas display calculating rain-rate differently than the 5n1 displays, but I suppose it's possible.
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Rain rate method has to do with the software uploading (or the device uploading like the Access), and does not have to do with the website receiving the data. At least that is the case for Weather Underground. As I've demonstrated, I can use Weather Underground and report rain rate with whatever method I want.
In the Meteobridge it is just a check mark to choose the method you prefer.
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With other software/hardware you may be limited to one method or the other.
Weather Underground does nothing with the rain rate data received other than plot it on a graph. They plot the exact number that they received. That is all they do. If you aren't happy with the rain rate method calculation then change the hardware/software that you use to upload to Weather Underground with.
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Rain rate method has to do with the software not the website receiving the data. At least that is the case for Weather Underground. As I've demonstrated, I can use Weather Underground and report rain rain with whatever method I want.
In the Meteobridge it is just a check mark to choose the method you prefer.
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Wunderground takes two parameters. "rainin" and "dailyrain".
"rainin" is supposed to be the rainfall in the last 60 minutes. Some programmers have misinterpreted that to be a fixed hour or some other time period they have chosen.
Weather Underground does nothing with the rain rate data received other than plot it on a graph. They plot the exact number that they received. That is all they do. If you aren't happy with the rain rate method then change the hardware/software that you use to upload to Weather Underground with.
Not true. There is no "rain rate" parameter to send.
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In Weather Underground:
rainin = green line
dailyrain = blue line
I disagree as to what it is "supposed to be." I feel rainin should be the rain rate at that moment in time...not how much rain occurred in the past hour. This is analogous to your speedometer. You want to know how fast you are traveling at the moment in time. It doesn't matter how far I drive (that is what the odometer is for). What I want to know is how fast I'm driving. Likewise I want to know how fast it is raining. It gives you an idea for at that moment if it was a flash flood or if it was more gradual. If you report the total for the past hour well that is just redundant because you can extract that information from the blue line.
But I suppose the option is there for you to have it your way. You just need to use the right hardware/software combination to get the results you want to see. The same goes for me. So lets agree to disagree.
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In Weather Underground:
rainin = green line
dailyrain = blue line
I disagree as to what it is "supposed to be." I feel rainin should be the rain rate at that moment in time...not how much rain occurred in the past hour. This is analogous to your speedometer. You want to know how fast you are traveling at the moment in time. It doesn't matter how far I drive (that is what the odometer is for). What I want to know is how fast I'm driving. Likewise I want to know how fast it is raining. It gives you an idea for at that moment if it was a flash flood or if it was more gradual. If you report the total for the past hour well that is just redundant because you can extract that information from the blue line.
But I suppose the option is there for you to have it your way. You just need to use the right hardware/software combination to get the results you want to see. The same goes for me. So lets agree to disagree.
I'll stick with the protocol.
https://feedback.weather.com/customer/en/portal/articles/2924682-pws-upload-protocol?b_id=17298
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In Weather Underground:
rainin = green line
dailyrain = blue line
I disagree as to what it is "supposed to be." I feel rainin should be the rain rate at that moment in time...not how much rain occurred in the past hour. This is analogous to your speedometer. You want to know how fast you are traveling at the moment in time. It doesn't matter how far I drive (that is what the odometer is for). What I want to know is how fast I'm driving. Likewise I want to know how fast it is raining. It gives you an idea for at that moment if it was a flash flood or if it was more gradual. If you report the total for the past hour well that is just redundant because you can extract that information from the blue line.
But I suppose the option is there for you to have it your way. You just need to use the right hardware/software combination to get the results you want to see. The same goes for me. So lets agree to disagree.
I'll stick with the protocol.
https://feedback.weather.com/customer/en/portal/articles/2924682-pws-upload-protocol?b_id=17298
Okay. You are right. But doesn't mean the definition can't be changed or updated to reflect the possibility to accept either method. This is already happening anyway by practice for it to be either way. Every Ambient Weather device has always only done it with the method I prefer. And Davis Weatherlink also does it the way I prefer.
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Okay. You are right. But doesn't mean the definition can't be changed or updated to reflect the possibility to accept either method. This is already happening anyway by practice for it to be either way. Every Ambient Weather device has always only done it with the method I prefer. And Davis Weatherlink also does it the way I prefer.
Do you have details on this "method" you are espousing?
Is everyone tweaking "rainin" on wunderground the same way?
It's bad enough "gusts" aren't reported in a standard way...
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I don't think I have any more details that what I've already shared. If you pull up any Ambient Weather or Davis (on Weatherlink) station on WU you'll notice that the rain graphs look like my example. It is easy to spot. Just look at where the first rainfall started that day and you'll notice the blue line gradually ramps up while the green like is quick spike with larger slope than the blue line. You can easily tell which stations are using one method or the other.
You ask if everyone is doing it the "same way." Well that is a good question. But I don't think it is so black and white. It would seem to me that since different stations report at different intervals (16 seconds, or 30 seconds, or every minute...etc). Then the rain rate calculation in my preferred method could be different just because of the data available. So is it considered different because the sampling rate is different or is it still the same because given the available data points rain rate per hour would be the same calculation. I think the end result is the same. I'm sure one car manufacture can sample wheel speed a different number of times versus a different manufacture...but in the end speed = speed. The calculation is the same...just the sampling rate is different. You can be more precise if you have more samples per time lapse.
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I don't think I have any more details that what I've already shared. If you pull up any Ambient Weather or Davis (on Weatherlink) station on WU you'll notice that the rain graphs look like my example. It is easy to spot. Just look at where the first rainfall started that day and you'll notice the blue line gradually ramps up while the green like is quick spike with larger slope than the blue line. You can easily tell which stations are using one method or the other.
You ask if everyone is doing it the "same way." Well that is a good question. But I don't think it is so black and white. It would seem to me that since different stations report at different intervals (16 seconds, or 30 seconds, or every minute...etc). Then the rain rate calculation in my preferred method could be different just because of the data available. So is it considered different because the sampling rate is different or is it still the same because given the available data points rain rate per hour would be the same calculation. I think the end result is the same. I'm sure one car manufacture can sample wheel speed a different number of times versus a different manufacture...but in the end speed = speed. The calculation is the same...just the sampling rate is different. You can be more precise if you have more samples per time lapse.
And that's the reason wunderground does the rain rate calculation themselves. It may not be the result you want, but at least the results are comparable between stations.
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And that's the reason wunderground does the rain rate calculation themselves. It may not be the result you want, but at least the results are comparable between stations.
Looks like I lost you in the conversation. WU does not do any calculation of rain rate themselves. WU only reports the numbers exactly as you submit them and they do nothing with that data other than store it and graph it without any calculations (except unit conversion). I get the results I want by choosing one of 2 calculation methods in my software. The results are comparable between stations that use the same method. There are only two methods. You can compare any two that use the same method. Much like you can compare the speed of two vehicles even if the manufactures decides to take different sampling rates of wheel spin....the results are still the same, speed is speed, as in mph is mph, or inches of rain per hour is inches of rain per hour no matter what the sampling difference is between stations. I'm talking about rain rate as in speed of rainfall.
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And that's the reason wunderground does the rain rate calculation themselves. It may not be the result you want, but at least the results are comparable between stations.
Looks like I lost you in the conversation. WU does not do any calculation of rain rate themselves. WU only reports the numbers exactly as you submit them and they do nothing with that data other than store it and graph it without any calculations (except unit conversion). I get the results I want by choosing one of 2 calculation methods in my software. The results are comparable between stations that use the same method. There are only two methods. You can compare any two that use the same method. Much like you can compare the speed of two vehicles even if the manufactures decides to take different sampling rates of wheel spin....the results are still the same, speed is speed, as in mph is mph, or inches of rain per hour is inches of rain per hour no matter what the sampling difference is between stations. I'm talking about rain rate as in speed of rainfall.
If wunderground does no massaging of the numbers that you send, then why were plotting changes apparent after the recent re-code? After the re-code, the rain rate plots made consistent sense again, just like they did in "wunderground classic".
During the period when wunderground was supporting both graph styles, you could compare them side-by-side and see they were not always graphing the same way. What was up with that? Same data, but different graphs?
Regardless, the protocol definition remains. "rainin" is the rain accumulation of the last 60 minutes. That's a rate, of course, but it's not an "instantaneous rate" like you see on a car speedometer. Then there's also the issue of "rtfreq" and what, if any, impact that has.
You can adjust "rainin" to manipulate the graphs to whatever pleases you. You claim there are only "two methods", but how can that be when there are all kinds of ways you could change "rainin" to fit your fancy?
What is the other definition of "rainin" you suggest be followed? Have Davis, Ambient, and Meteobridge agreed upon this same definition? I hate having to know what the reporting software is (and what settings it has) to know if the graphs are comparable.
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You are talking about WU recode that occurred before I ever looked at WU. I've only been following WU for about two years and I don't think it has changed in that time frame. I never experienced WU classic. So I don't know about what you experienced before. I suppose it is possible that at one point (or even still) if your station only reports daily rain as it occurs and not rainin then WU was (or is) then calculating the missing rate for you.
Yes rain rate by the definition of rate per the last 60 minutes is a rate, and the sampling is once every hour for the rate, even if the rate is reported every minute in that fashion it is always determined for once per the previous hour. Hence it isn't instantaneous as you said. The measured time interval is always 1 hour. Doesn't matter how fast or slow it was. All that matters is the total for that measurement period.
When you decrease the measured time interval you are increasing the resolution of the rate reported. Hence it is more instantaneous. More samples per interval. At a certain sampling rate it becomes precise enough. So comparing one station to another with different sampling rates that are high enough to begin with amounts to the same thing. This allows the rate to be more instantaneous.
I have compared my Meteobridge reporting to my Ambient console reporting (simultaneously to different WU IDs) and the rain rates match 100%. I have also compared it to nearby Davis stations and when we report the same rain totals (as in we got the same rain) the rain rates also match.
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Whether this is helpful or not, Davis calculates rain rate on the fly, nothing to do with time parameters. Each successive tip recalculates the rate.
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Isn’t this the classic precision vs accuracy paradox?
Accuracy refers to the closeness of a measured value to a standard or known value. For example, if in lab you obtain a weight measurement of 3.2 kg for a given substance, but the actual or known weight is 10 kg, then your measurement is not accurate. In this case, your measurement is not close to the known value.
Precision refers to the closeness of two or more measurements to each other. Using the example above, if you weigh a given substance five times, and get 3.2 kg each time, then your measurement is very precise. Precision is independent of accuracy. You can be very precise but inaccurate, as described above. You can also be accurate but imprecise.
For example, if on average, your measurements for a given substance are close to the known value, but the measurements are far from each other, then you have accuracy without precision.
A good analogy for understanding accuracy and precision is to imagine a basketball player shooting baskets. If the player shoots with accuracy, his aim will always take the ball close to or into the basket. If the player shoots with precision, his aim will always take the ball to the same location which may or may not be close to the basket. A good player will be both accurate and precise by shooting the ball the same way each time and each time making it in the basket.
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Whether this is helpful or not, Davis calculates rain rate on the fly, nothing to do with time parameters. Each successive tip recalculates the rate.
I'm quoting myself because it's not every tip that recalculates, it's every rain packet that's sent from the ISS, which is about every 20 seconds.
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Seems like Acurite is the only one playing by the official WU published rules for rain rate.
Well to be fair I've also noticed that some stations reporting with Cumulus, do also do it like Acurite. But I don't know if Cumulus offers the two options. I just haven't taken notice.
Before WU rapid fire and back when stations were only reporting every 5, 10 or 15 minutes, I think the rain rate for the past 60 minutes rate made sense. Now that we have 5, 10, or 15 second rapid fire, I think it is fitting that the rain rate also be an instantaneous rate. So I feel WU should update the definition of rain rate. Or at least amend it to officially be either method, as it is already happening anyway.
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official WU published rules for rain rate.
I don't consider WU to be "official" at anything, whether they are or not.
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You are talking about WU recode that occurred before I ever looked at WU. I've only been following WU for about two years and I don't think it has changed in that time frame. I never experienced WU classic. So I don't know about what you experienced before. I suppose it is possible that at one point (or even still) if your station only reports daily rain as it occurs and not rainin then WU was (or is) then calculating the missing rate for you.
I know exactly what my stations report to wunderground as I've either monitored the network traffic or written the code myself.
If you follow the protocol, the rain rate graphs are comparable on wunderground. Again, that's the whole point.
If you don't follow the protocol and do your own thing for "rainin" reporting, they won't be.
Console reporting is a whole different matter as it depends the hardware specifics.
Through the manipulation of "rainin" on wunderground, you can mimic the behavior of a particular brand of console's rain rate reporting, but I've never heard of that extolled as a sanctioned alternative standard on wunderground.
The protocol is what it is.
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official WU published rules for rain rate.
I don't consider WU to be "official" at anything, whether they are or not.
It's "official" only within the scope of wunderground. Console reporting from different brands aren't necessarily going to match it (and probably won't). It only makes the graphs more consistent regardless of hardware differences on wunderground.
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official WU published rules for rain rate.
I don't consider WU to be "official" at anything, whether they are or not.
It's "official" only within the scope of wunderground. Console reporting from different brands aren't necessarily going to match it (and probably won't). It only makes the graphs more consistent regardless of hardware differences on wunderground.
Understood. That, at least to me, certainly doesn't make it desirable.
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Isn’t this the classic precision vs accuracy paradox?
Yes this is accuracy versus precision. By playing by the official WU rules then we lose precision by reducing the sampling rate to once per hour. We don't know at any given moment how fast it is raining by WU rules. But we do know that it is a certain amount within the last hour. That is still precise to the hour but not precise to the minute or seconds.
Here is my favorite picture to summarize what you said:
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Whether this is helpful or not, Davis calculates rain rate on the fly, nothing to do with time parameters. Each successive tip recalculates the rate.
I'm quoting myself because it's not every tip that recalculates, it's every rain packet that's sent from the ISS, which is about every 20 seconds.
Good to know. Thanks. If Davis wanted though they could still recalculate every 20 seconds but instead report on the previous 60 minute's totals. But I'm glad they don't do it that way.
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Excellent representation of precision vs accuracy! Probably explains why my chosen home defense weapon is a shotgun...
In reality, it’s only software we’re dealing with. Would it be that difficult for them to give us an option to select pinpoint or averaging?
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Isn’t this the classic precision vs accuracy paradox?
If Davis wanted though they could still recalculate every 20 seconds but instead report on the previous 60 minute's totals. But I'm glad they don't do it that way.
Not sure what you're saying, however, it is recalculated every 20 seconds. Davis does nothing with the previous 60 minutes or any other time frame for that matter, other than that the rain rate is literally recalculated every 20 seconds, no more, no less. Elapsed time other than the packet pull for rain rate is non-existent.
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Yes this is accuracy versus precision. By playing by the official WU rules then we loose precision by reducing the sampling rate to once per hour. We don't know at any given moment how fast it is raining by WU rules. But we do know that it is a certain amount within the last hour. That is still precise to the hour but not precise to the minute or seconds.
"rainin" is a value that changes quickly. Saying the sample rate is only once per hour is very misleading.
In the case of a 5n1, "rainin" can change as often as every 36 seconds.
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Isn’t this the classic precision vs accuracy paradox?
If Davis wanted though they could still recalculate every 20 seconds but instead report on the previous 60 minute's totals. But I'm glad they don't do it that way.
Not sure what you're saying, however, it is recalculated every 20 seconds. Davis does nothing with the previous 60 minutes or any other time frame for that matter, other than that the rain rate is literally recalculated every 20 seconds, no more, no less. Elapsed time other than the packet pull for rain rate is non-existent.
I was trying to say that the recalculation frequency is inconsequential to timing interval period for total rain amount. They are two separate things.
If in the past hour it rained 0.5 inches then that is the rate for that period (the last hour). The period is 1 hour regardless as to the frequency of the calculation. It is like a permanently shifting sampling window that just adds the total rain amount for the previous hour. If that is done every 20 seconds or every 5 minutes it still doesn't change the fact that there is only one sample per given hour window.
You can only increase the precision if you reduce the size of the sampling window. So there is still a shifting window, and it is still every 20 seconds but now the sampling window time width is maybe the total rainfall for the past minute (much shorter). Then you multiply that the 1 minute rate result by 60 and you now have a more precise rate for that moment in time "per hour." All the while the recalculation keeps happening every 20 seconds.
If your shifting sampling window is 1 hour long then you don't need to multiply to get the per hour rate. Well technically you do still multiply but you multiply by 1.
Yes this is accuracy versus precision. By playing by the official WU rules then we lose precision by reducing the sampling rate to once per hour. We don't know at any given moment how fast it is raining by WU rules. But we do know that it is a certain amount within the last hour. That is still precise to the hour but not precise to the minute or seconds.
"rainin" is a value that changes quickly. Saying the sample rate is only once per hour is very misleading.
In the case of a 5n1, "rainin" can change as often as every 36 seconds.
I don't think it is misleading. Yes it can change quickly. It can change like you said every 36 seconds. But the sample rate as for what is entered into the calculation is once per given hour frame (the shifting window width of time) . That is the total for the past hour times 1. That is what the definition means from WU when they say total rate for the past hour.
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You can only increase the precision if you reduce the size of the sampling window. So there is still a shifting window, and it is still every 20 seconds but now the sampling window time width is maybe the total rainfall for the past minute (much shorter). Then you multiply that the 1 minute rate result by 60 and you now have a more precise rate for that moment in time "per hour." All the while the recalculation keeps happening every 20 seconds.
So if it is drizzling outside, and after 5 hours your 0.01" tipping bucket finally tips, you're going to chart a rain-rate value of 0.60" inches per hour for that minute?
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You can only increase the precision if you reduce the size of the sampling window. So there is still a shifting window, and it is still every 20 seconds but now the sampling window time width is maybe the total rainfall for the past minute (much shorter). Then you multiply that the 1 minute rate result by 60 and you now have a more precise rate for that moment in time "per hour." All the while the recalculation keeps happening every 20 seconds.
So if it is drizzling outside, and after 5 hours your 0.01" tipping bucket finally tips, you're going to chart a rain-rate value of 0.60" inches per hour for that minute?
Not sure happens with one tip. But I don't think it would report 0.60 per hour.
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You can only increase the precision if you reduce the size of the sampling window. So there is still a shifting window, and it is still every 20 seconds but now the sampling window time width is maybe the total rainfall for the past minute (much shorter). Then you multiply that the 1 minute rate result by 60 and you now have a more precise rate for that moment in time "per hour." All the while the recalculation keeps happening every 20 seconds.
So if it is drizzling outside, and after 5 hours your 0.01" tipping bucket finally tips, you're going to chart a rain-rate value of 0.60" inches per hour for that minute?
Not sure happens with one tip. But I don't think it would report 0.60 per hour.
It's what your explanation seems to predict.
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My explanation was just to simplify the math to explain the difference between the metbods. I'm sure there is more complexity. Like it probably knows it didn't rain for the full minute since it samples every 16 seconds. Which means it samples 3.75 times in 1 minute. So perhaps you need to divide by 3.75 before multiplying by 60. So maybe the rate is 0.16 on first tip. But who knows it may be smarter than that. I don't know the real formula.
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My explanation was just to simplify the math to explain the difference between the metbods. I'm sure there is more complexity. Like it probably knows it didn't rain for the full minute since it samples every 16 seconds. Which means it samples 3.75 times in 1 minute. So perhaps you need to divide by 3.75 before multiplying by 60. So maybe the rate is 0.16 on first tip. But who knows it may be smarter than that. I don't know the real formula.
Yeah... there's more to this than you realize.
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Found a 0.01 in my WU. Take a look at October 8th at 9:39AM. That was the first lonely 0.01 for the day. The rate is 0.05 inches per hour.
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Found a 0.01 in my WU. Take a look at October 8th at 9:39AM. That was the first lonely 0.01 for the day. The rate is 0.05 inches per hour.
How do you get a rate from one tip? Maybe the spoon fell faster than normal... :-k
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Found a 0.01 in my WU. Take a look at October 8th at 9:39AM. That was the first lonely 0.01 for the day. The rate is 0.05 inches per hour.
I take it you are not reporting as per the protocol, correct?
Otherwise, you should get a rate of 0.01" for a single tip.
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Since a rainfall event is cumulative, I don't think a snapshot in time is a valid measurement.
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Since a rainfall event is cumulative, I don't think a snapshot in time is a valid measurement.
There is no "snapshot" in time. Like I said, saying the sample rate is an hour is very misleading.
"rainin" is updated every 36 seconds for a 5n1.
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Even though it tips just once it isn't a single tip being used in the calculation of rain rate. The absence of a tip also counts (it counts as 0 rain for that moment that it could have tipped). Every tipping mechanism has a maximum threshold for maximum tips per second. For ease of calculation and just as an example lets assume the tipping threshold is once per second. It could very well be higher than once per second, but lets keep it simple to grasp the concept. Please realize every tipping mechanism does have a maximum limit and this is why in really heavy rains with some tipping hardware is more prone to errors as there is then spillage if you exceed the tipping mechanism threshold.
Okay good, got that out of the way. Now back to my example of a tipping mechanism with a threshold of once per second. In this case having a single tip is not really a single tip because the system holds a memory of previous tips or possible tips that didn't occur and this is called data aging. This data age limit is hard coded in the software/firmware of the system. In my case since the reported rate for one tip was 0.05 inches per hour, I'm also going to assume my tipping mechanism is once per second (it could be more or less)...that part doesn't matter...it is what it is and then the calculation is done accordingly. So for 1 tip and with a tipping mechanism maximum of once per second for the result to be 0.05 inches per second means that the data aging is hard coded to about 10 minutes...or about 600 potential tips within that time frame. So it isn't one tip that gives you the rate. It becomes 1 tip out of 600 possible tips. Now you have a rate. 1 tip within the last 10 minutes. If you then multiply by 6 to get the rate per hour (10 minutes x 6 = 1 hour) you end up with 0.06 per hour. I didn't get 0.05 for some reason and it probably has to do with the fact that I don't really know the formula nor do I know the real data aging that Ambient is using nor do I know the threshold of the tipping mechanism (I'm also not using the Meteobridge to upload to WU), but I still think I'm close, and the bigger picture should now be clear. If you want to increase the accuracy then you increase the data age from 10 minutes to 1 hour. If you have more than 2 tips within 10 minutes then you now have also achieved greater accuracy. So for low drizzles of 1 tip per 10 minutes the accuracy is low. Having low accuracy for low numbers in a measurement is not the end of the world, our different hardware is constrained by many accuracy design limitations (temperature, humidity, wind...etc). All hardware is different. It doesn't stop us from comparing temperatures or wind or whatever.
The bigger point here it to learn that one tip alone doesn't give a rate. There really is more there than just one tip. The potential tips for the given time frame of the data aging also count.
Meteobridge data age setting change (default 10 minutes):
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Excellent representation of precision vs accuracy! Probably explains why my chosen home defense weapon is a shotgun...
In reality, it’s only software we’re dealing with. Would it be that difficult for them to give us an option to select pinpoint or averaging?
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Even though it tips just once it isn't a single tip being used in the calculation of rain rate. The absence of a tip also counts (it counts as 0 rain for that moment that it could have tipped). Every tipping mechanism has a maximum threshold for maximum tips per second. For ease of calculation and just as an example lets assume the tipping threshold is once per second. It could very well be higher than once per second, but lets keep it simple to grasp the concept. Please realize every tipping mechanism does have a maximum limit and this is why in really heavy rains with some tipping hardware is more prone to errors as there is then spillage if you exceed the tipping mechanism threshold.
Okay good, got that out of the way. Now back to my example of a tipping mechanism with a threshold of once per second. In this case having a single tip is not really a single tip because the system holds a memory of previous tips or possible tips that didn't occur and this is called data aging. This data age limit is hard coded in the software/firmware of the system. In my case since the reported rate for one tip was 0.05 inches per hour, I'm also going to assume my tipping mechanism is once per second (it could be more or less)...that part doesn't matter...it is what it is and then the calculation is done accordingly. So for 1 tip and with a tipping mechanism maximum of once per second for the result to be 0.05 inches per second means that the data aging is hard coded to about 10 minutes...or about 600 potential tips within that time frame. So it isn't one tip that gives you the rate. It becomes 1 tip out of 600 possible tips. Now you have a rate. 1 tip within the last 10 minutes. If you then multiply by 6 to get the rate per hour (10 minutes x 6 = 1 hour) you end up with 0.06 per hour. I didn't get 0.05 for some reason and it probably has to do with the fact that I don't really know the formula nor do I know the real data aging that Ambient is using nor do I know the threshold of the tipping mechanism (I'm also not using the Meteobridge to upload to WU), but I still think I'm close, and the bigger picture should now be clear. If you want to increase the accuracy then you increase the data age from 10 minutes to 1 hour. If you have more than 2 tips within 10 minutes then you now have also achieved greater accuracy. So for low drizzles of 1 tip per 10 minutes the accuracy is low. Having low accuracy for low numbers in a measurement is not the end of the world, our different hardware is constrained by many accuracy design limitations (temperature, humidity, wind...etc). All hardware is different. It doesn't stop us from comparing temperatures or wind or whatever.
The bigger point here it to learn that one tip alone doesn't give a rate. There really is more there than just one tip. The potential tips for the given time frame of the data aging also count.
Meteobridge data age setting change (default 10 minutes):
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I. Just. Can't. Even. #-o
Let's get this thread back on topic. It's about the Atlas, not about the way wunderground handles rain-rate.
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nincehelser,
Did you not get anything out of all this???? I only had to get more and more technical because you just aren't accepting that things can be different than what you know or than what you are used to and maybe there is more than one right way. You are right in many ways for various topics. You are very helpful in this forum. I've learned from you. Or is it is true that you can't teach an old dog new tricks? (no offense intended). Come on man!
I gave it a really really good shot though.
By the way you are right about wind speed and gusts. The premise is almost the same as what we've been discussing with rain rate. Unless everyone agrees and standardizes the hardware design capabilities, the sampling rate, data age limit, and what the reporting period is, then we will always have slight differences in wind reporting.
It would be nice if someone else weighed in on this. Because maybe I made a mistake somewhere. Or maybe I didn't but there may be a better way to convey these ideas and methods across and someone else may be a better teacher than me.
Alright well whatever it is hopefully this helped someone out there. I have no problems dropping this. Back to discussing the Atlas...
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nincehelser,
Did you not get anything out of all this???? I only had to get more and more technical because you just aren't accepting that things can be different than what you know or than what you are used to and maybe there is more than one right way. You are right in many ways for various topics. You are very helpful in this forum. I've learned from you. Or is it is true that you can't teach an old dog new tricks? (no offense intended). Come on man!
No, I did not get anything out of it. Your lack of knowledge and experience really shows (no offense intended).
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nincehelser,
Did you not get anything out of all this???? I only had to get more and more technical because you just aren't accepting that things can be different than what you know or than what you are used to and maybe there is more than one right way. You are right in many ways for various topics. You are very helpful in this forum. I've learned from you. Or is it is true that you can't teach an old dog new tricks? (no offense intended). Come on man!
No, I did not get anything out of it. Your lack of knowledge and experience really shows (no offense intended).
Okay. :shock: Not the response I was expecting. Hopefully we wont be stepping on each other's toes going forward.
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I’ve had my Access for little over two weeks now. As an experiment I turned off all power to the Access and my modem/router to simulate a blackout. After 30-minutes I turned everything back on. All data sent by my Atlas during the 30-minute backout was updated to MyAcuRite and worked as expected, but the daily rain total was lost and reset to zero, not expected.
Everything seemed to work as expected except the rain total being reset to zero. Rain total on WU was also reset to zero. Seems to be an Access bug to me.
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I wonder if any "bird spikes" have been discussed for the Atlas ?
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I've looked and searched here also but I unable to find my answer. My apologies if I am just not looking in the right place. Looking to purchase an Atlas and looking on Amazon I have seen 01007m, 01008m, and 01009m. What's the difference between these three models? Thanks
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01007m comes with the HD display, Access Hub (for remote monitoring), and comes with the lighting detector.
01008m comes with the Access Hub for remote monitoring - no HD display, no lighting detector.
01009m comes with the HD display only.
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Thank you Sir Mak! Your information was very helpful. I appreciate it. I went with the 01007m.
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What is the insane deal with weather station makers insisting that you can only access YOUR DATA from THEIR CHOICE OF WEBSITES? As far as I am concerned this removes Atlas and virtually everything from Ambient Weather from consideration. It is absolutely CHEAPER to just include a USB port and let the OWNER decide what they want to do with THEIR data.
I'm sure that fanboys will screech at me, but AcuRite and Ambient have taken VERY SPECIFIC STEPS TO CONTROL YOUR DATA!
Or you could just pull the data directly from the airwaves with RTL_433.
I expect it won't take long for someone to decode the Atlas transmissions.
If anyone Thinks that the ultimate goal is not to strongly encrypt the data so that you can consume it only when and where they want, then you know nothing of software and hardware development. They did NOT invest the money to develop the system this way for no reason - they did so under a calculated plan to keep charging you. Eventually they will charge you monthly just to see the data from the station that you PAID FOR. Netatmo encrypted their packets and were pretty honest that they simply don't care what YOU want to do with YOUR purchased product.
WU takes FREE DATA FROM YOU and now wants to charge you hundreds of dollars per MONTH for the PRIVILEGE of using their API to access the FREE DATA that YOU sent to them. Their next step is to make ALL ACCESS to their website subscription only.
I'm an extra class ham radio operator with a PhD in Electrical Engineering and a PhD in Mechanical Engineering - I can build my own system in my sleep that will allow me to send my data wherever I want, so this does not really affect ME, but I do realize that this will affect the vast majority of weather enthusiasts that wish to provide access to THEIR data on THEIR chosen venue, and THAT is patently, sickeningly WRONG.
And how exactly did you come to the conclusion that we are going to start charging for data? Did you receive inside information? Because I developed the service and it never crossed my mind.
Please elaborate.
Regards,
Ed