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Title: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: Cutty Sark Sailor on February 10, 2017, 11:29:22 AM
With the demise of Wunderground Radio Streams...
NOAA Weather Radio.Org (http://noaaweatherradio.org)
A project of the PWS community and many gracious friends

162 streams listed as of 06/23/2017
New Direct Audio Feed
US National Hurricane Center Tropical Weather Outlook
Active during storm season June 1 - November 30.

03/27/2017: US Dept of Commerce, NOAA, NWS officially approves and authorizes
 the use of the
NOAA All Hazards Weather Radio trademark/logo  for Noaa Weather Radio ORG.

... and from NOAA.GOV email May 1, 2017...in part:
"It certainly fills a need left by Weather Underground. Thank you for your efforts to provide streaming weather information and weather awareness. 
We do appreciate your attention to NWR."

NEW: 03/23/2017: Contact Form (http://noaaweatherradio.org/addstream/addstream.html)
Submit or update a stream, comment, complain, etc
NEW: 03/22/2017:
LIVE MAP—U.S. Hazards with Streams (http://noaaweatherradio.org/ProbWWA.php).
Page is still developing. Using Selected Streams, See main page for All
Added: JSacreyweather's Coverage Map  :idea:  to Index page
Made some additions and changes,
specifically "Encoders" and "Quality" to How To? (http://noaaweatherradio.org/howto.html)
still an evolving project, changing frequently!
(http://noaaweatherradio.org/NOAANET3/noaa0228.jpg)
Follow this thread as we continue to develop this project
Mike
Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: tim273 on February 10, 2017, 12:13:20 PM
So weather underground was using Icecast, and we would connect to it using something like Edcast or whatever.  So I'm guessing you don't have an Icecast server, so I would need to create my own Icecast server to do this then correct?
Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: ke7nwl on February 10, 2017, 12:26:43 PM
Cutty Sark Sailor this looks great!

So weather underground was using Icecast, and we would connect to it using something like Edcast or whatever.  So I'm guessing you don't have an Icecast server, so I would need to create my own Icecast server to do this then correct?

You've got options. Cutty Sark Sailor is recommending Broadwave software instead of Icecast. I'm an Open Source Software enthusiast, so I'm using Icecast. (I'm streaming the Spokane station)
Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: Cutty Sark Sailor on February 10, 2017, 01:11:04 PM
Yes, there's no 'media' server... other than yours locally... the simple player just links directly to your stream.  All we need is the audio stream link.
... not that much different that what you'd do on your own site except this is a multiplayer... In effect, folks stream to WU,
and they stream back to them, if you're embedding their player... duh... but you already had the stream available, just sort of 'duplicating' bandwidth...
... there are many ways to generate the stream...
Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: chappelledpc on February 11, 2017, 02:57:03 AM
Hello,

I've been successful in getting a stream up on a Raspberry Pi using Darkice and Icecast2. 
Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: Cutty Sark Sailor on February 11, 2017, 08:01:52 AM
And that's a great quality stream, Doug!
Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: tmabell on February 11, 2017, 11:29:58 AM
I have a pretty robust system but Broadwave will not run on it.  Nothing but trouble, freezes, lockup's, etc.  I'm willing to add my stream but I need software that works and thus far Windows Medial Encoder is all that does, and that isn't cross browser compatible.  I am open to suggestions!
Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: tim273 on February 11, 2017, 02:25:42 PM
Thanks everyone, I also have a Raspberry Pi that I've been using, but now I need to set up Icecast, time for another Raspberry Pi (I have like 8 of them).
Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: Cutty Sark Sailor on February 11, 2017, 04:03:54 PM
I have a pretty robust system but Broadwave will not run on it.  Nothing but trouble, freezes, lockup's, etc.  I'm willing to add my stream but I need software that works and thus far Windows Medial Encoder is all that does, and that isn't cross browser compatible.  I am open to suggestions!
See my PM... my suspicion is that something's using a resource that Broadwave needs... I don't think it's a bandwidth issue, which causes most problems.. you are streaming WMA at 8kb, and Broadwave MP3 should work fine at that bitrate ... Mine is set for min 24 max 56
Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: Mark / Ohio on February 12, 2017, 12:23:32 AM
Looking good and working good for me.   8-)
Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: Cutty Sark Sailor on February 12, 2017, 11:48:10 AM
Another PWS owner and a scripter weather-lover have informed me they're working on a couple of features to add... stay tuned... http://ourspecial.net/NOAANET2/ (http://ourspecial.net/NOAANET2/)  this will truly be a community project when it's done!  Great!
 UU
Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: satcop on February 12, 2017, 06:40:08 PM
Looking good, and looking forward to the additional features.  Let's fill in all of those NOAA sites folks.
Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: Jáchym on February 12, 2017, 06:50:40 PM
I probably cant help you much, but you have my full support in this and it is great when people get together like this to work on some useful thing.

I only wonder what Im going to hang above my toilet  :-( :-( :-(
Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: Cutty Sark Sailor on February 12, 2017, 07:03:25 PM
I probably cant help you much, but you have my full support in this and it is great when people get together like this to work on some useful thing.

I only wonder what Im going to hang above my toilet  :-( :-( :-(
Here:
(http://ourspecial.net/NOAANET2/goldstar.png)
Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: Jáchym on February 12, 2017, 07:14:19 PM
Ohh... thank you so much!!! I dont even think I deserve this... It will nicely complement the one I already have in my bathroom - that one I deserved for absolutely top-quality data which passed the strict WU Gold star algorithm
Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: saratogaWX on February 12, 2017, 07:37:25 PM
It's sometimes hard to understand what you're saying with your tongue planted so firmly in your cheek :)
Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: Jáchym on February 12, 2017, 07:45:06 PM
:D yes... I am sometimes ironic
Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: mikev on February 12, 2017, 07:51:11 PM
Glad to have found some kind of group looking to re-organize a directory of weather radio streams following the demise of Weather Underground's streaming server (btw, yes, it looks like it's dead; it's not even resolving in DNS anymore).

I'm just an individual streamer, knowledgeable enough to set up a relatively secure server and host my own stream, and happy to spend a small amount to make it possible (the VPS I'm using costs me a whopping $5/mo for 1 TB of data throughput). Looking at the numbers, I might even be able to host a couple of other streams and still be safe on data... but I'm not quite to that point, because I would want to have different username/password info for each stream provider, and I need to dig through the Icecast configuration documentation to get that figured out.

I'm trying to claim the TuneIn listing for the NOAA Weather Radio stream that I've been providing through Weather Underground (Manassas, VA), given that it has over 8,000 people that have saved it as a favorite. They had shot me down with that before when WU had streaming issues because they claimed when WU sent their next data update, it would get re-pointed to them. Shouldn't be a problem now though.

I also raised the question over at RadioReference about if they'd be willing to host NWR streams now since Weather Underground isn't doing so anymore... one of the admins responded saying only if the owner of the site were to give the OK. He hasn't responded yet, so not sure about that, but it might be another solution for hosting streams, though they might not be as easy to link to.

Anyway, just wanted to say hi! My stream's already been added to the list as an alternate for Manassas. I might pop in from time to time, but you probably won't see me here regularly.
Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: vreihen on February 13, 2017, 06:46:35 AM
Since everyone here has some sort of weather computer running 24/7 but not necessarily a scanner and sound card cables, can I throw out a crazy idea?  Write the software to turn a sub-$20 USB SDR dongle into a streaming source...if it doesn't already exist.  At that price point, there isn't a reason why you couldn't build a huge network of contributed streams very quickly.

For those not familiar with the technology, SDR is a Software-Defined Radio receiver.  They are being used to track airplanes (ADS-B/dump1090), ships, satellite image decoders, as ham radio receivers, for TV in Europe, and there's even code available in rtl_433 to grab wireless PWS data from the air for several non-Davis stations.  As I said, perfect fit for streaming NWS radio if someone wants to take the ball and run with it.....
Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: mikev on February 13, 2017, 07:59:03 AM
Since everyone here has some sort of weather computer running 24/7 but not necessarily a scanner and sound card cables, can I throw out a crazy idea?  Write the software to turn a sub-$20 USB SDR dongle into a streaming source...if it doesn't already exist.  At that price point, there isn't a reason why you couldn't build a huge network of contributed streams very quickly.

Funny that you mention using SDR... I'm actually using one of NooElec's Nano receivers for my feed. The tricky part right now is in the software though. I have three different pieces of software that I'm using to make it all work. One of those pieces could be eliminated though if the other two could be combined together.

As it is right now, I have SDR# (SDRSharp) tuning the receiver and filtering out the noise (the noise filter it has does an AWESOME job), then the audio goes through Virtual Audio Cable, which takes the audio output from SDR# and sends it to the input of my streaming encoder, Broadcast Using This Tool (yes, its acronym is BUTT). I spent about $25 on Virtual Audio Cable, the other two are free.

If someone were to write software to tune the receiver, filter the audio, and send the audio output directly to the part that would handle encoding it for a server, it would greatly simplify the process (no virtual audio cable needed). Also, the interface could be much more simplified over SDR# as far as tuning and filtering go. A $20 RTL-SDR USB receiver and one program to make the stream possible would be great.
Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: vreihen on February 13, 2017, 08:27:52 PM
FYI, the software is freely out there to stream an SDR output to at least one service from Linux on a Raspberry Pi:

http://wiki.radioreference.com/index.php/Raspberry_Pi_RTL-SDR_Broadcastify (http://wiki.radioreference.com/index.php/Raspberry_Pi_RTL-SDR_Broadcastify)
Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: tim273 on February 14, 2017, 09:30:25 PM
Ok, so I switched to using an RTL SDR instead of a regular radio for the MSP one.  It's about the same, but now I don't need the radio or sound card and it's on a Raspberry Pi 3 and I'm using this: http://www.nooelec.com/store/sdr/sdr-receivers/nesdr-mini-2-plus.html and I purchased a kit that includes an SMA adapter which have connected to an antenna in my attic.  Here's what I used for the command line, I started it in screen so that I can detach from it:

rtl_fm -f 162.55M -s 48000 -l 0 | lame -s 48000 --lowpass 3200 --abr 64 --scale 9 -r -m m - - | ezstream -c /etc/ezstream.xml

I might need to tweek the lowpass and scale numbers, but it's not too bad. My ezstream.xml file looks like this:

<!--
   EXAMPLE: MP3 playlist stream WITHOUT reencoding

   This example streams a playlist that contains only MP3 files. No other file
   formats may be listed. Since ezstream will not be doing any reencoding, the
   resulting stream format (bitrate, samplerate, channels) will be of the
   respective input files.
 -->
<ezstream>
    <url>http://localhost:8000/tim273/edina</url>
    <sourcepassword>my_password</sourcepassword>
    <format>MP3</format>
    <filename>stdin</filename>
    <stream_once>1</stream_once>
    <!--
      The following settings are used to describe your stream to the server.
      It's up to you to make sure that the bitrate/samplerate/channels
      information matches up with your input stream files. Note that
      <svrinfoquality /> only applies to Ogg Vorbis streams.
     -->
    <svrinfoname>Minneapolis, Minnesota Weather Radio</svrinfoname>
    <svrinfourl>http://www.wunderground.com</svrinfourl>
    <svrinfogenre>Weather</svrinfogenre>
    <svrinfodescription>NOAA Weather Radio KEC65 162.55Mhz</svrinfodescription>
    <svrinfobitrate>64</svrinfobitrate>
    <svrinfochannels>2</svrinfochannels>
    <svrinfosamplerate>48000</svrinfosamplerate>
    <!--
      Prohibit the server to advertise the stream on a public YP directory:
     -->
    <svrinfopublic>0</svrinfopublic>
</ezstream>

Seems to be working ok, now I don't need darkice either.  Anyway, let me know how it's working.
Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: mikev on February 15, 2017, 12:39:15 PM
Tim, my only question would be why are you using such a high sampling rate and bit rate for your audio? The audio bandwidth used by NWR is maybe 16-20 KHz at its peak, and your low pass filter is only passing 3.2 KHz and lower anyway... so why sample at 48 KHz? And with that sample rate reduction, you can also cut back your bit rate. There are some who will stream at 32 Kbps, but really, between 16-24 Kbps is plenty. If you cut your sample rate to 11025 or 16000, you might get away with 12 Kbps without too much compression.

My stream of Manassas VA (listed as the alternate) runs at 22050 Hz and 16 Kbps.
Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: tim273 on February 15, 2017, 12:47:59 PM
Two words: sound quality.  I know it seems excessive, but it does sound better, and I spent a lot of time getting the best sound quality I could.  I've had it set up this way when I streamed to Weather Underground and have been doing it for years.
Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: Cutty Sark Sailor on February 15, 2017, 02:32:35 PM
I believe the NOAA AM bandwidth is 5 kHz...especially on the older transmitters... a sampling rate of 16 kHz would be expected to handle up to 8 kHz without aliasing -- however, aliasing could also be introduced with higher volume input levels, and noise within the source, so an even higher sampling rate could produce a "cleaner" sound, to the ears, than the lower sampling rate...especially if you have a 'dirty' or poor signal in, in many cases, believe it or not...
 I use 24 to 56 K
Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: tim273 on February 15, 2017, 02:46:26 PM
I believe the NOAA AM bandwidth is 5 kHz...especially on the older transmitters... a sampling rate of 16 kHz would be expected to handle up to 8 kHz without aliasing -- however, aliasing could also be introduced with higher volume input levels, and noise within the source, so an even higher sampling rate could produce a "cleaner" sound, to the ears, than the lower sampling rate...especially if you have a 'dirty' or poor signal in, in many cases, believe it or not...
 I use 24 to 56 K

Exactly, when I first did the WU stream, I started with the recommended 16 bit rate and it sounded like it was coming out of a tin can and very digital sounding, so I upped it 24, better, then 32, better yet and then finally settled on 64 with 48k sampling and it sounded more like you were listening to it from the weather radio itself.
Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: Cutty Sark Sailor on February 16, 2017, 11:57:54 AM
'Bout to fade away... no interest?
Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: tim273 on February 16, 2017, 02:27:29 PM
I suppose it's about getting the word out, not many know about this.  Also, if Weather Underground is actually "working on it", that suggests they will have their server back up at some point and everyone would go back to streaming to them.  Time will tell I guess.
Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: satcop on February 16, 2017, 06:54:02 PM
Agreed, the vast majority of the WU suppliers for instance, I am sure are not aware of this option, probably are not on this forum.  Although I doubt we have everyone yet who has a stream and is on this forum.  How to get out the word?  Note should also have an invite on the page itself.

I have found the side discussion on the SDR method to be quite useful to the point where I am in the process of putting one together with a raspberry pi myself and see if I can't bring in another feed.

Bob
Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: satcop on February 17, 2017, 05:56:51 PM
Well I just got the following email from "William" at WU:
Quote
We have an official announcement on the 1st, but I can confirm that we're ending the radio feature.


Thank you,
William
Wunderground Support

So if you were feeding WU and were waiting for it to come back, don't hold your breath.   

Bob
Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: vreihen on February 17, 2017, 07:53:30 PM
Ok, so I switched to using an RTL SDR instead of a regular radio for the MSP one.  It's about the same, but now I don't need the radio or sound card and it's on a Raspberry Pi 3 and I'm using this: http://www.nooelec.com/store/sdr/sdr-receivers/nesdr-mini-2-plus.html and I purchased a kit that includes an SMA adapter which have connected to an antenna in my attic.  Here's what I used for the command line, I started it in screen so that I can detach from it:

rtl_fm -f 162.55M -s 48000 -l 0 | lame -s 48000 --lowpass 3200 --abr 64 --scale 9 -r -m m - - | ezstream -c /etc/ezstream.xml

Tim - Can you elaborate on what was needed to set this up?  In particular, what is listening on port 8000?  I'm trying to replicate your work, hoping to build a script to automate the installation so anyone can easily set up a NWS stream.....
Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: tim273 on February 17, 2017, 08:33:16 PM
Ok, so I switched to using an RTL SDR instead of a regular radio for the MSP one.  It's about the same, but now I don't need the radio or sound card and it's on a Raspberry Pi 3 and I'm using this: http://www.nooelec.com/store/sdr/sdr-receivers/nesdr-mini-2-plus.html and I purchased a kit that includes an SMA adapter which have connected to an antenna in my attic.  Here's what I used for the command line, I started it in screen so that I can detach from it:

rtl_fm -f 162.55M -s 48000 -l 0 | lame -s 48000 --lowpass 3200 --abr 64 --scale 9 -r -m m - - | ezstream -c /etc/ezstream.xml

Tim - Can you elaborate on what was needed to set this up?  In particular, what is listening on port 8000?  I'm trying to replicate your work, hoping to build a script to automate the installation so anyone can easily set up a NWS stream.....

Sure, so I started with a Raspberry Pi and installed the following (after updating of course):

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sudo apt-get update
sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
sudo apt-get install screen, vim, htop, icecast2, lame, libmp3lame-dev, ezstream, rtl-sdr

Once all that is done, set up Icecast (it uses port 8000, but that can be changed):

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sudo vim /etc/icecast2/icecast.xml

Find the authentication section and change the passwords and then restart the server:

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sudo service icecast2 restart

Then you can browse to http://ip-of-raspberry-pi:8000 to see the Icecast server, there won't be any streams yet.  Next set up ezstream which will stream to Icecast.  Create an ezstream.xml file somewhere on your filesystem, and then there's example xml files here: https://www.apt-browse.org/browse/debian/wheezy/main/i386/ezstream/0.5.6~dfsg-1/file/usr/share/doc/ezstream/examples, I used this one as my base: https://www.apt-browse.org/browse/debian/wheezy/main/i386/ezstream/0.5.6~dfsg-1/file/usr/share/doc/ezstream/examples/ezstream_mp3.xml

Change the sourcepassword element to the password you set in icecast.xml and change filename to stdin, update the url and change /stream to what you want your stream to be mounted to, also update the svrinfo elements:

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<ezstream>
    <url>http://localhost:8000/tim273/edina</url>
    <sourcepassword>your_password</sourcepassword>
    <format>MP3</format>
    <filename>stdin</filename>
    <stream_once>1</stream_once>
    <!--
      The following settings are used to describe your stream to the server.
      It's up to you to make sure that the bitrate/samplerate/channels
      information matches up with your input stream files. Note that
      <svrinfoquality /> only applies to Ogg Vorbis streams.
     -->
    <svrinfoname>Minneapolis, Minnesota Weather Radio</svrinfoname>
    <svrinfourl>http://www.wunderground.com</svrinfourl>
    <svrinfogenre>Weather</svrinfogenre>
    <svrinfodescription>NOAA Weather Radio KEC65 162.55Mhz</svrinfodescription>
    <svrinfobitrate>64</svrinfobitrate>
    <svrinfochannels>2</svrinfochannels>
    <svrinfosamplerate>48000</svrinfosamplerate>
    <!--
      Prohibit the server to advertise the stream on a public YP directory:
     -->
    <svrinfopublic>0</svrinfopublic>
</ezstream>

Next create a shell script to do the streaming that looks like this:

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#!/bin/sh

sleep 10

rtl_fm -f 162.55M -s 48000 | lame -s 48000 --lowpass 3500 --abr 64 --scale 9 -r -m m - - | ezstream -c ezstream.xml

Feel free to adjust the parameters, -s is for sample rate, --abr 64 uses an average bit rate of 64 --scale -9 boosts the volume, --lowpass helps filter out the high pitched noise.

Add this script to /etc/rc.local right before exit 0 so it starts on boot:

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#!/bin/sh -e
#
# rc.local
#
# This script is executed at the end of each multiuser runlevel.
# Make sure that the script will "exit 0" on success or any other
# value on error.
#
# In order to enable or disable this script just change the execution
# bits.
#
# By default this script does nothing.

# Print the IP address
_IP=$(hostname -I) || true
if [ "$_IP" ]; then
  printf "My IP address is %s\n" "$_IP"
fi

screen -d -m  /home/pi/weather-radio.sh
exit 0

This starts the script in screen, when you ssh into the Pi, you can type:

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sudo screen -r

This attaches to the screen that was created, and then Ctrl+A, D to detach from it.  Don't type Ctrl+C as that will kill it.  Using screen is an alternative to using a service, but if you're good with service scripts, feel free to write one of those.  I had to add the sleep in there to give all the other services time to start up.

If all goes well you'll see this when you go into screen:

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Found 1 device(s):
ezstream: Connected to http://localhost:8000/tim273/edina
ezstream: Streaming from standard input
  0:  Realtek, RTL2838UHIDIR, SN: 00000001

Using device 0: Generic RTL2832U OEM
Found Rafael Micro R820T tuner
Tuner gain set to automatic.
Tuned to 162802000 Hz.
Oversampling input by: 21x.
Oversampling output by: 1x.
Buffer size: 8.13ms
Exact sample rate is: 1008000.009613 Hz
Sampling at 1008000 S/s.
Output at 48000 Hz.

Lastly, add a new file called /etc/udev/rules.d/20.rtlsdr.rules and add this to it:

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SUBSYSTEM=="usb", ATTRS{idVendor}=="0bda", ATTRS{idProduct}=="2838", GROUP="adm", MODE="0666", SYMLINK+="rtl_sdr"

If you type lsusb, it will give a list of what's on your USB system, look for Realtek:

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Bus 001 Device 006: ID 0bda:2838 Realtek Semiconductor Corp. RTL2838 DVB-T

And then substitute the device ID of the RTL SDR dongle (obviously plug it into the USB port) for the ATTRS{idVendor} (0bda in this case) value and then the model in the ATTRS{idProduct} part (2838 in this case).  In terms of order, this one should probably be done before installing everything.  You'll need to reboot for it to take effect.

I'm using a Raspberry Pi 3 and the utilization is pretty good.

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If all works well, you should see this:

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I think that's it, let me know if you have any problems.

Thanks,
Tim
Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: satcop on February 17, 2017, 08:49:39 PM
Thanks Tim;

I will give this a shot myself this weekend.  I think I have everything I need at this point.  I hope to get another feed up in addition to Manassas this weekend, Hagarstown MD using the SDR comes through quite nicely when properly filtered.

Bob
Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: vreihen on February 18, 2017, 08:14:37 AM
I have a question regarding the standardization of stream names.  At least in these parts, each NWS office operates more than one transmitter within their service area...and each transmitter sends alerts for only its service area (and sometimes also relays them for neighboring NWS offices).

http://www.nws.noaa.gov/nwr/resources/NWR_poster.pdf (http://www.nws.noaa.gov/nwr/resources/NWR_poster.pdf)

For example, NWS Albany operates 7 different "satellite" transmitters outside of their main Albany one - three in NY, one in western CT, two in western MA, and one in southern VT.  The one nearest to me (WXL37/Highland NY) also relays alerts from NWS NYC for my county, which doesn't have direct radio coverage from the NYC office.  Obviously, the transmitter location is important in the stream name.  If someone in southern VT put up an "Albany" stream, I would never hear the local alerts!

Currently, it appears that the streams are named in the format: State, City, Frequency.  I propose that the stream names be standardized as: State, NWS Forecast Office City, Transmitter City, Callsign, Frequency.  That should clarify what transmitter the stream is coming from, to clear up any ambiguities.

https://www.weather.gov/nwr/sites?site=KWO35 (https://www.weather.gov/nwr/sites?site=KWO35)

Also, I don't know if anyone has ever seen this resource, but it may be a great data source to hyperlink stream callsigns to so that listeners can see the exact areas/counties being covered.....
Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: sacreyweather on February 18, 2017, 08:29:58 AM
Hi vreihen,

It is a very good question. My NWS office has 11 transmitters scattered around central part pf the state. This does not count the 4 other NWS offices that cover the 4 corners with their repsective transmitters. There are a total of 20 transmitters in my state.

Thank you for the links. I had not seen the .pdf in the first one. Downloaded that.  The second link, I see they finally updated it. I had downloaded all of the maps for Arkansas several years ago.

John
Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: Cutty Sark Sailor on February 18, 2017, 11:36:34 AM
RE station names:
First, I'm working on new player which will link back to your website that's providing the stream.
 :grin:  which I cannot accomplish in the current player, for some reason..
I think it best to use the Station "location" or "Station Name" for that particular transmitter that is being streamed, rather than the 'parent' station... which I'm trying to do...
For example, a 'repeater' goes down, and naming after parent would imply parent was down...

Only have a few stations, and already have one with NOAA giving "name/location" as one thing on their map, and two possibilities for either "location" or "Transmitter Name"...

This is what I'd like to see 'standard', I think... When they identify themselves, the tag it with something like "transmitting from' or 'located at' or something... a few say something like "NWS OFFICE in Louisville, transmitting from a station located in Frankfort..." or something else confusing... the "Frankfort, location Callsign, and Frequency" is what I think we  standardize with...

Whatcha think?
Mike
Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: tim273 on February 18, 2017, 12:04:39 PM
This is what I'd like to see 'standard', I think... When they identify themselves, the tag it with something like "transmitting from' or 'located at' or something... a few say something like "NWS OFFICE in Louisville, transmitting from a station located in Frankfort..." or something else confusing... the "Frankfort, location Callsign, and Frequency" is what I think we  standardize with...

Whatcha think?
Mike

So I think that's what I have going, if you look at my screenshot above my listed as:

Stream Name: Minneapolis, Minnesota Weather Radio
Stream Description: NOAA Weather Radio KEC65 162.55Mhz

Which is what is on that pdf map listed, does that look good?  Just trying to get some examples.

Thanks,
Tim
Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: tim273 on February 18, 2017, 03:59:21 PM
Thanks Tim;

I will give this a shot myself this weekend.  I think I have everything I need at this point.  I hope to get another feed up in addition to Manassas this weekend, Hagarstown MD using the SDR comes through quite nicely when properly filtered.

Bob

as an alternative, you could try this:

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rtl_fm -f 162.55M -s 48000 | sox -t raw -r 48000 -b 16 -e signed -c 1 -v 7 - -r 48000 -t .mp3 -c 1 -C 64 - lowpass 2000 | ezstream -c ezstream.xml

it uses sox instead of lame and seems to sound a little better.
Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: vreihen on February 18, 2017, 05:52:56 PM
I wound up using the RadioReference command line, with a little bit of tweaking:

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#!/bin/sh

sleep 10
frequency="162.4735M"
##frequency="162.4985M"
lowpass="2200"
bitrate="8"
resample="22.05"

/usr/bin/rtl_fm -M fm -f ${frequency} -p 69 -l 65 -g 50 -s ${bitrate}k | /usr/bin/lame -r -s ${bitrate} --resample ${resample} -m m -b 64 --cbr --lowpass ${lowpass} - - | /usr/bin/ezstream -c /home/noaaradio/ezstream.xml

My test SDR was previously online running dump1090 for a few years, and it has stutters/hiccups from heat and old age.  I'll have to order two new SDR's, since I can pick up NOAA signals from two different transmitters/forecast offices and stream both.  I'm going to leave the stream running, with a disclaimer that it does have occasional dropouts and "Max Headroom" moments.

New York, Highland, NWS Albany, WXL37, 162.475Mhz (c/o hvtraffic.com)

http://nwr.hvtraffic.com:8000/wxl37 (http://nwr.hvtraffic.com:8000/wxl37)
Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: satcop on February 18, 2017, 05:56:29 PM
Well never worked with a Raspberry Pi before so this is becoming a bit of a learning experience.  Got the op system installed (that was the easy part).  I think I have the rtl fm software installed, although other than saying it is receiving I have no way to verify yet. (I know the dongle works because I had it working on more normal machine and using the windows version of SDR.  Now trying to get either icecast or sox working, but have run out of time today.  Downloaded but have to compile it, and there is no good docs that I can find at this point on the steps one must follow and the proper directories to put the files, so I keep tripping over myself.  I hate to say how long it been that I had to go through a step by step process to compile code,  and things have changed a lot since that time (I didn't have grey hair then among other things).

Anyway will pick this up tomorrow and see if I can't at least get it talking on my internal network.

Bob
Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: tim273 on February 18, 2017, 06:11:55 PM
Well never worked with a Raspberry Pi before so this is becoming a bit of a learning experience.  Got the op system installed (that was the easy part).  I think I have the rtl fm software installed, although other than saying it is receiving I have no way to verify yet. (I know the dongle works because I had it working on more normal machine and using the windows version of SDR.  Now trying to get either icecast or sox working, but have run out of time today.  Downloaded but have to compile it, and there is no good docs that I can find at this point on the steps one must follow and the proper directories to put the files, so I keep tripping over myself.  I hate to say how long it been that I had to go through a step by step process to compile code,  and things have changed a lot since that time (I didn't have grey hair then among other things).

Anyway will pick this up tomorrow and see if I can't at least get it talking on my internal network.

Bob

Hi Bob,

Actually you shouldn't have to compile anything, everything you need should be in the repository.

What you can do is type sox and it should tell you something like 'sox not found, type sudo apt-get install sox'  so whatever it is it should be in the repository.
Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: tim273 on February 18, 2017, 07:20:21 PM
as an alternative, you could try this:

Code: [Select]
rtl_fm -f 162.55M -s 48000 | sox -t raw -r 48000 -b 16 -e signed -c 1 -v 7 - -r 48000 -t .mp3 -c 1 -C 64 - lowpass 2000 | ezstream -c ezstream.xml

it uses sox instead of lame and seems to sound a little better.

Ok, I substituted this:

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rtl_fm -f 162.55M -s 48000 | sox -t raw -r 48000 -b 16 -e signed -c 1 -v 6 - -r 48000 -t .mp3 -c 1 -C 64 - sinc -3.5k | ezstream -c ezstream.xml

The difference is I'm using sinc rather than lowpass, it's a more sharp cutoff.  More info here: http://sox.sourceforge.net/sox.html
Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: vreihen on February 18, 2017, 08:45:26 PM
Now trying to get either icecast or sox working, but have run out of time today.  Downloaded but have to compile it, and there is no good docs that I can find at this point on the steps one must follow and the proper directories to put the files, so I keep tripping over myself.

As Tim wrote, all of the software is already built/packaged in the Raspbian package repository!  These three lines will install it all:

sudo apt-get update
sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
sudo apt-get install screen vim htop icecast2 lame libmp3lame-dev ezstream rtl-sdr sox
Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: satcop on February 18, 2017, 10:10:19 PM
Thanks folks, I didn't see that they were already there in any of the docs, so as usual went off and made things a lot harder than I had to.  Now lets see if I managed to mess it all up because of trying to work things from scratch.  When you put together your script be sure to cover the unfamiliarity issue with the hardware.

Bob
Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: tim273 on February 18, 2017, 10:25:55 PM
Thanks folks, I didn't see that they were already there in any of the docs, so as usual went off and made things a lot harder than I had to.  Now lets see if I managed to mess it all up because of trying to work things from scratch.  When you put together your script be sure to cover the unfamiliarity issue with the hardware.

Bob

The beauty of the Raspberry Pi is you mess things up, just wipe your your SD card (or get another one) and start over.  I've done that many times.
Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: Cutty Sark Sailor on February 18, 2017, 11:22:35 PM
For those not familiar PI, SDR, etc 
It can be done "simpler" if your mind is as stiff as mine is ... I got into this stuff 20 years too late, and have a severe brain dietary restriction on PI, raspberry or otherwise.
Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: vreihen on February 18, 2017, 11:58:27 PM
It can be done "simpler" if your mind is as stiff as mine is ... I got into this stuff 20 years too late, and have a severe brain dietary restriction on PI, raspberry or otherwise.

This old dog has been working in the IT field for 31 years now, and he intends to make a bootable Raspberry Pi SD card image that will only require you to enter your wifi network password, pick a frequency, and enter a stream name.....
Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: Cutty Sark Sailor on February 19, 2017, 10:13:28 AM
  :-k darn... all I've got is a radio, weather pc, broadwave and an audio cable... but I did enough of that other stuff in my 35 year electronics career... if it's smaller than a 25 watt resistor I can no longer see it.  :lol:. Took 2 Star Wars films before I figured out Obi Wan wasn't a prototype OB2 regulator , which did resemble a light sabre prototype when fired up...  #-o...tried a couple of em stacked to run Blitzortung, but made too much noise...  :-P

Gotta version 2 stream player about to go online... think got111 streams available now...
Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: vreihen on February 19, 2017, 12:26:50 PM
... if it's smaller than a 25 watt resistor I can no longer see it.  :lol:.

I just had to use a magnifying glass to read a half watt resistor, and even then the colors of the bands were hard to distinguish..... :(
Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: tim273 on February 19, 2017, 12:31:24 PM
Now trying to get either icecast or sox working, but have run out of time today.  Downloaded but have to compile it, and there is no good docs that I can find at this point on the steps one must follow and the proper directories to put the files, so I keep tripping over myself.

As Tim wrote, all of the software is already built/packaged in the Raspbian package repository!  These three lines will install it all:

sudo apt-get update
sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
sudo apt-get install screen vim htop icecast2 lame libmp3lame-dev ezstream rtl-sdr sox

Sorry I just remembered, if you are going to use sox to stream mp3, you'll need this too:

Code: [Select]
apt-get install libsox-fmt-mp3
Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: tim273 on February 19, 2017, 12:39:16 PM
'Bout to fade away... no interest?

One more thing, if we can somehow get the word to Tunein Radio, there's a much of followers for NOAA Weather Radio, but they all point to Weather Undergound:

http://tunein.com/search/?query=weather%20radio
http://tunein.com/radio/NOAA-Weather-Radio-16255-s88255/
Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: satcop on February 19, 2017, 01:37:07 PM
update:  Ok streaming to the world, for Manassas, now to start Hagerstown as well as have Mike update the link to the Manassas feed.  Also need to fix that boot bug.

............................
Okay, I have it streaming internally.  Haven't been able to get the start on boot script to work, but starting the stream from the command line starts it up.  Need to figure out what I did wrong there.

Now I originally wanted to try and get it to pick up Hagerstown, which I can receive when the dongal is connected directly to one of my other computers, btw the scanner can't receive it, too much noise).  When I brought the Hagerstown signal up on the pi the stream was clearly being overloaded by the much stronger Manassas signal.  I switched the frequency to the Manassas channel and the audio quality is much better than what I get off of my old receiver which is currently the one supplying the data stream. 

Two ideas, I am tempted to try the Hagerstown feed using MikeVs method on my computer using SDR and changing my feed for Manassas to the Pi.  The other possibility, as I am not quite sure what the parameters are on the command string, is there a command to narrow the IF or lower the gain to get that overload from Manassas out of the feed so that I could still use it for Hagerstown?

Next step is opening the stream beyond the internal access.

Bob
Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: Cutty Sark Sailor on February 19, 2017, 04:01:38 PM
Got Bob's Pi into the player...
One note: the 'stream link' really should end with ".mp3" if it's going on the web player(s) we've installed
Bob's worked without it (!?), but I had to work around a couple using "?.mp3" as ending source link...

Loaded a second version a few minutes ago, with linking back to you streaming weather site, a pop-up version, and search feature....  http://ourspecial.net/NOAANET3
(http://ourspecial.net/NOAANET3/noaanet3.jpg)

Mike
Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: Andy G on February 19, 2017, 04:31:55 PM
Hi Mike

Really looking good looking forward to the final product. I noticed the link to my site http://www.sunprairieweather.com/ is mispelled and takes me to http://sunrrairieweather.com/ the first r should be a p. Thanks for all the hard work.

Andy
Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: tim273 on February 19, 2017, 04:32:43 PM
Got Bob's Pi into the player...
One note: the 'stream link' really should end with ".mp3" if it's going on the web player(s) we've installed
Bob's worked without it (!?), but I had to work around a couple using "?.mp3" as ending source link...

Loaded a second version a few minutes ago, with linking back to you streaming weather site, a pop-up version, and search feature....  http://ourspecial.net/NOAANET3
(http://ourspecial.net/NOAANET3/noaanet3.jpg)

Mike

Looks awesome, great job!
Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: Cutty Sark Sailor on February 19, 2017, 04:43:56 PM
Hi Mike

Really looking good looking forward to the final product. I noticed the link to my site http://www.sunprairieweather.com/ is mispelled and takes me to http://sunrrairieweather.com/ the first r should be a p. Thanks for all the hard work.

Andy
Duh... I blame it on 7 decades of tired fingers... sorry about that, Andy! Fixed...
Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: Andy G on February 19, 2017, 04:48:02 PM
Hi Mike

Really looking good looking forward to the final product. I noticed the link to my site http://www.sunprairieweather.com/ is mispelled and takes me to http://sunrrairieweather.com/ the first r should be a p. Thanks for all the hard work.

Andy
Duh... I blame it on 7 decades of tired fingers... sorry about that, Andy! Fixed...

Thanks. No troubles.
Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: Otis on February 19, 2017, 07:22:10 PM
Mike et al., this is developing nicely - good job Mike.
Now I need to work on my radio reception, not the best a lot of the time  ](*,).
Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: Cutty Sark Sailor on February 19, 2017, 07:55:38 PM
Hey Otis... yea I noticed we seemed to be connecting, but no audio most of today...

Been a busier day than I thought it would be.. I think we're up to 14 feeds... not counting Ray Stevens and the flyin' pigs in test position 1

Gotta decide which player to use... PITA trying to keep two updated this afternoon with the few newbies, correcting dumb finger errors, and changing  a few URLs...
Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: Cutty Sark Sailor on February 19, 2017, 10:22:10 PM
14 streams, now...

Ok... I just had 1 thing confirmed... it's a waste of time, for numerous reasons, to try to have any simple 'name' for most transmitters... NOAA doesn't know how to refer to 'em half the time... so

1.  You name it.  as in "state" "area you think is appropriate" "Frequency"...  If some of you first 14 want to rename your 'area', PM or Email me, and we'll do that.

2. My feeling is to go with the newer player (http://ourspecial.net/NOAANET3). I want to check with the original developer and see if he can simplify it for our purposes... the scripts are much larger than necessary, for our purpose.. and see if he can resolve one little irritation I have, that you may not have discovered yet...

3. I may make a minor change in the URL when it's said and done.. partly to hold the folders (2) and (3) for other purposes:

4. This may be a good place to collect some streaming scripts, web-page streaming scripts, etc / how to's / also... if nothing else, at least a starting place to collect things .folks can get their hands on quickly.... maybe...if would prove useful?

5. SATCOP has volunteered to help with this when possible, so if I don't respond, maybe send Bob a PM and we'll get things going...
Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: Mark / Ohio on February 20, 2017, 12:08:43 AM
I like the look of the player!   8-)  I put a link back to you on my website below my own link.
Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: sacreyweather on February 20, 2017, 09:51:51 AM
Hi Folks,

Like the new player, Mike. As an FYI to everyone else. I am working with Mike on a map (https://sacrey.info/wxradio.php) that has all of the stations on it, based on their location, like the old WU map had.  You can click on a square, but it will open a player up in your browser. It is not currently associated with Mike's player.

John
Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: Andy G on February 20, 2017, 12:28:59 PM
Hi Folks,

Like the new player, Mike. As an FYI to everyone else. I am working with Mike on a map (https://sacrey.info/wxradio.php) that has all of the stations on it, based on their location, like the old WU map had.  You can click on a square, but it will open a player up in your browser. It is not currently associated with Mike's player.

John

Like the map John. Looks good.
Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: cospringswx on February 20, 2017, 12:49:40 PM
Hi Folks,

Like the new player, Mike. As an FYI to everyone else. I am working with Mike on a map (https://sacrey.info/wxradio.php) that has all of the stations on it, based on their location, like the old WU map had.  You can click on a square, but it will open a player up in your browser. It is not currently associated with Mike's player.

John

That is fantastic. I've got to get my yellow dot on there.
Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: mikev on February 20, 2017, 01:35:32 PM
'Bout to fade away... no interest?

One more thing, if we can somehow get the word to Tunein Radio, there's a much of followers for NOAA Weather Radio, but they all point to Weather Undergound:

http://tunein.com/search/?query=weather%20radio
http://tunein.com/radio/NOAA-Weather-Radio-16255-s88255/
I submitted a bunch of update info to TuneIn for the Manassas VA (http://tunein.com/radio/NOAA-Weather-Radio-16255-s88324/) station, since I was the one streaming it through WU before... they updated it to link to my server, but they changed none of the other information that I had submitted (and the WU link even shows up as a secondary source still). But that's better than the last time I tried to lay claim to the station record on TuneIn... they wouldn't even add my own server to it before. Regardless, the 8000+ people that have saved KHB36 as a favorite still have something to listen to when they want to. And many other cities have several thousand "favorites" as well.

Maybe after WU's formal announcement on 3/1 about no longer providing NWR streaming, the other information will be able to be adjusted.
Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: mikev on February 20, 2017, 02:04:33 PM
Two ideas, I am tempted to try the Hagerstown feed using MikeVs method on my computer using SDR and changing my feed for Manassas to the Pi.  The other possibility, as I am not quite sure what the parameters are on the command string, is there a command to narrow the IF or lower the gain to get that overload from Manassas out of the feed so that I could still use it for Hagerstown?

Next step is opening the stream beyond the internal access.
Can't really help on command line parameters for rtl_fm... I would be surprised if there weren't a way to narrow the IF and/or adjust the RF gain... any kind of audio filtering probably isn't available without adding yet another package to the mix though. I don't have a Pi (though this is piquing my interest in getting one), so I'm not going to be much help there though.

As to opening your stream for internet access... you'll need to create a port forward on your router to allow access to icecast wherever you might have it running. BTW, you only need one instance of Icecast on your network. If you're going to have two streams, host them both on the same icecast server, rather than setting up two servers and needing two port forwards (btw, if you do set up two servers, they can't run on the same port number).

If you hope to handle a larger number of users, though, it might be better to have Icecast running on something more powerful than a Pi. Yeah, that sorta blows the "all-in-one" functionality, but if you find 50+ users wanting to connect when there are severe storms rolling through the area, that might just overload a Pi.

When my stream was running on WU, I would easily see 40-50+ people listening during severe weather. When the derecho passed through in 2012, there were over 150 people listening, IIRC. I'm hoping that having the TuneIn listing pointing to my server will help retain those kinds of numbers going forward... only time will tell.
Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: satcop on February 20, 2017, 03:56:13 PM
Quote
As to opening your stream for internet access... you'll need to create a port forward on your router to allow access to icecast wherever you might have it running. BTW, you only need one instance of Icecast on your network. If you're going to have two streams, host them both on the same icecast server, rather than setting up two servers and needing two port forwards (btw, if you do set up two servers, they can't run on the same port number).

If you hope to handle a larger number of users, though, it might be better to have Icecast running on something more powerful than a Pi. Yeah, that sorta blows the "all-in-one" functionality, but if you find 50+ users wanting to connect when there are severe storms rolling through the area, that might just overload a Pi.

Hi Mike, brought the Hagerstown link up yesterday and "Cutty" added it to the group last night with no problem, just added the virtual cable to the pc.  Reoriented things today with the antenna in a much better location,  and moved the Hagerstown link off of the main computer, all in all, should be better audio on that link now. 

Will watch the load on the Pi server, haven't seen that heavy of a load yet, if so I can move things around a bit on the Manassas link, the pi is dedicated to the feed, might want to try a load test to see what happens.  Hagerstown is on a cheap laptop doing the work with sdr# etc.  Most users I saw on the feed last summer was 7 at any one time, things may change with the loss of WU will see.

Bob
Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: tim273 on February 20, 2017, 04:06:45 PM
I submitted a bunch of update info to TuneIn for the Manassas VA (http://tunein.com/radio/NOAA-Weather-Radio-16255-s88324/) station, since I was the one streaming it through WU before... they updated it to link to my server, but they changed none of the other information that I had submitted (and the WU link even shows up as a secondary source still). But that's better than the last time I tried to lay claim to the station record on TuneIn... they wouldn't even add my own server to it before. Regardless, the 8000+ people that have saved KHB36 as a favorite still have something to listen to when they want to. And many other cities have several thousand "favorites" as well.

Maybe after WU's formal announcement on 3/1 about no longer providing NWR streaming, the other information will be able to be adjusted.

How did you do that, submit update info to Tunein that is?
Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: tim273 on February 20, 2017, 04:18:44 PM
I submitted a bunch of update info to TuneIn for the Manassas VA (http://tunein.com/radio/NOAA-Weather-Radio-16255-s88324/) station, since I was the one streaming it through WU before... they updated it to link to my server, but they changed none of the other information that I had submitted (and the WU link even shows up as a secondary source still). But that's better than the last time I tried to lay claim to the station record on TuneIn... they wouldn't even add my own server to it before. Regardless, the 8000+ people that have saved KHB36 as a favorite still have something to listen to when they want to. And many other cities have several thousand "favorites" as well.

Maybe after WU's formal announcement on 3/1 about no longer providing NWR streaming, the other information will be able to be adjusted.

How did you do that, submit update info to Tunein that is?

Never mind, I found it I think, I sent an update for mine too.  The most peak listeners I've ever seen on my stream was 215 and that happened once when there was a tornado near downtown Minneapolis back in 2011 (the year of the tornado).  So hopefully the Pi can handle that, we'll see I set my limit to 250 based on that.

Speaking of limits, here's a test they did with Icecast, but that was on some pretty high end hardware: http://icecast.org/loadtest
Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: phillipdampier on February 20, 2017, 11:31:06 PM
I am not very technically adept but am prepared to point my feed of Kha53 Rochester NY --- still running Edcast --- wherever will get it back online. If we are supposed to run something else, it would be VERY helpful to create a simple package to download with a plain text configuration file with step by step directions for those of us who are just not able to write our own scripts.

A feed max of 5 listeners is probably too small. When my feed went down, I had 20 messages from listeners on my voice mail within 24 hours. My feed was used by boaters and rural listeners plus the visually impaired community and was running for over 8 years. I will invest in hardware if we need to go in a different direction. Right now it is a Windows 10 dedicated machine.
Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: Mark / Ohio on February 21, 2017, 12:17:19 AM
I am working with Mike on a map (https://sacrey.info/wxradio.php) that has all of the stations on it, based on their location, like the old WU map had.  ...

Thanks John!  I like the map!   8-)

Question though as I'm still trying to figure how many listeners I can handle from home.  I have ScannerCast streaming 16 Kbps running on Acer Aspire One netbook along with my other software averages around 30-60% CPU.  So it stays busy already but more concerned about my internet connection which upload is only 0.4 Mbps.  So am I correct when I calculate 400/16= Maximum # of simultaneous connections at 25?   :-k

Given this connection also is uploading and downloading other data for the weather station along with anything else I might be doing on the net in the house at the time, I'm wondering if I really have the throughput for more then a dozen connections to remain stable without buffering or disconnects?  Most I've recorded so far is 6 concurrent connections per the ScannerCast logging.    :-|

Also AT&T has usage caps.  (150 Gb / month for DSL, I usually run 1-2 Gb per day.)  I've never been close to max out the cap but never the less something to consider.
Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: mikev on February 21, 2017, 09:34:10 AM
How did you do that, submit update info to Tunein that is?

Never mind, I found it I think, I sent an update for mine too.  The most peak listeners I've ever seen on my stream was 215 and that happened once when there was a tornado near downtown Minneapolis back in 2011 (the year of the tornado).  So hopefully the Pi can handle that, we'll see I set my limit to 250 based on that.

Speaking of limits, here's a test they did with Icecast, but that was on some pretty high end hardware: http://icecast.org/loadtest
If you're streaming at 16 Kbps, 250 users would equal 4 Mbps of outgoing data your server would be pushing. As long as your internet connection has that capacity for upload, you'll be doing good. Of course, I know some folks are streaming at much higher bit rates, which will either significantly increase your speed requirement or significantly reduce your listener capacity (250 users at 64 Kbps would require 16 Mbps of upload speed).

If you have an internet connection with an upload speed of 2 Mbps or less, I would highly recommend both a low bit rate stream (so as to leave more internet speed available for you to use) and to use an outside server... you're not going to be able to handle a surge of users from a server running at your home.

Unfortunately, I don't know of any free streaming audio server providers (at least that will currently accept NWR streams; I've tried pushing RadioReference/Broadcastify, but they seem unwilling to accept NOAA Weather Radio streams on their service). The hosting service I'm paying for costs me $5/mo for a full Linux virtual private server... I can provide more numbers/info if desired.
Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: tim273 on February 21, 2017, 09:49:38 AM
If you're streaming at 16 Kbps, 250 users would equal 4 Mbps of outgoing data your server would be pushing. As long as your internet connection has that capacity for upload, you'll be doing good. Of course, I know some folks are streaming at much higher bit rates, which will either significantly increase your speed requirement or significantly reduce your listener capacity (250 users at 64 Kbps would require 16 Mbps of upload speed).

If you have an internet connection with an upload speed of 2 Mbps or less, I would highly recommend both a low bit rate stream (so as to leave more internet speed available for you to use) and to use an outside server... you're not going to be able to handle a surge of users from a server running at your home.

Unfortunately, I don't know of any free streaming audio server providers (at least that will currently accept NWR streams; I've tried pushing RadioReference/Broadcastify, but they seem unwilling to accept NOAA Weather Radio streams on their service). The hosting service I'm paying for costs me $5/mo for a full Linux virtual private server... I can provide more numbers/info if desired.

For mine, 250 is probably a number I'll never reach, probably more like 100 to 150 max on a severe weather day.  I've thought about setting up Icecast on a outside server, but I want to see how it goes with what I have first.  If I get to the point where it's too much, I might do that.  I already have an outside server for other purposes at Linode (https://www.linode.com/pricing), which is a fairly inexpensive option for what you get (as low as $5 a month).
Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: Cutty Sark Sailor on February 21, 2017, 10:07:42 AM
MikeV has it correct...
the page uses your bandwidth... no way can I presently afford a VPS or Dedicated server with a media server included..
Down the road who knows?  But if we get everyone together at one point, if nothing else, we have a starting point.

As MikeV said, a bitrate much higher than 16 is pretty much wasted... although I do currently use 24 or 56 ...
Theoretically,  8 kHz should carry the stream without aliasing, but 16 would be a good compromise if you experience degradion ot 8 kHz... a lot of the 'junk' is caused by initial reception or transmission, not the digital part.. good, clean original should give a pretty good 'output' at 8 in many cases, most of the time, ... but 16 is much better in some respects, over time.
first sign of overload on your bw would be the stream would lose it's short buffering, and drop in and out...
or stop completely...and folks would just break the connection

Also, the "New" platform (NOAANET3 (http://ourspecial.net/NOAANET3)} cannot access, or isn't allowed to access, any source with "https". the platform does Run through Cloudflare for security, compression, etc. perhaps one reason the newer FireFox gets a bit confused as the script 'checks' a few things before initializing the player... reload the page if doesn't show loading timer in few seconds.
Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: phillipdampier on February 21, 2017, 10:34:02 AM
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Unfortunately, I don't know of any free streaming audio server providers (at least that will currently accept NWR streams; I've tried pushing RadioReference/Broadcastify, but they seem unwilling to accept NOAA Weather Radio streams on their service). The hosting service I'm paying for costs me $5/mo for a full Linux virtual private server... I can provide more numbers/info if desired.

I would be interested to know who you are using. I added my two cents over on Radioreference. It does seem odd they will host obscure or rural streams like amateur or stormspotter weathernets but won't host NWS streams that do attract many more listeners than those. Maybe if enough people ask that will change.

I do know hosting audio streaming can get expensive because the hosting company worries about sudden traffic spikes. Most ISPs also technically ban residential customers running servers on their internet connections as well, but as long as they don't create a noticeable problem, this is rarely enforced.
Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: phillipdampier on February 21, 2017, 10:38:10 AM
Another data point. On the blog I run for KHA53 streaming, I just saw this public comment posted. Not sure if this author is one of you guys or if there is another group trying to maintain the streaming effort:

To whom it may concern,

Wunderground is shutting down their NOAA Weather Radio streaming service as of March 1, 2017. This is very unfortunate, we have pleaded with them to keep this critical life saving service up and running for the listening public. That said we are going to step up and with your help keep it online and make it even bigger. We just need your support and its really super simple to transfer your stream from wunderground's icecast server to our icecast server and would take less than five minutes. Basically you just replace their url with our url please see below for detailed instructions. Thanks in advance and don't hesitate to ask questions.

Change Server IP to: wxradio.dyndns.org
Use Encoder Password: WxRadio2014

Thats it, to listen to your feed just use the
Server IP + :Port + Mountpoint. For example it would be something like this:
http://wxradio.dyndns.org:8000/yourmountpoint.mp3
Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: tim273 on February 21, 2017, 10:41:01 AM
Another data point. On the blog I run for KHA53 streaming, I just saw this public comment posted. Not sure if this author is one of you guys or if there is another group trying to maintain the streaming effort:

To whom it may concern,

Wunderground is shutting down their NOAA Weather Radio streaming service as of March 1, 2017. This is very unfortunate, we have pleaded with them to keep this critical life saving service up and running for the listening public. That said we are going to step up and with your help keep it online and make it even bigger. We just need your support and its really super simple to transfer your stream from wunderground's icecast server to our icecast server and would take less than five minutes. Basically you just replace their url with our url please see below for detailed instructions. Thanks in advance and don't hesitate to ask questions.

Change Server IP to: wxradio.dyndns.org
Use Encoder Password: WxRadio2014

Thats it, to listen to your feed just use the
Server IP + :Port + Mountpoint. For example it would be something like this:
http://wxradio.dyndns.org:8000/yourmountpoint.mp3


Looks like they have quite a few of them over there, I wonder if it would make sense to consolidate over there instead?
Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: mikev on February 21, 2017, 11:15:35 AM
I would want to know who is hosting it first, where they're hosting it second, and what their capacity is third. I could probably find out the last two points based on the IP address... just not able to do that at this instant. Also, the fact that the server isn't running on port 80 means that people may not be able to listen behind workplace firewalls, unlike WU's server (and how I have mine set up). I'm not likely to switch to an unknown server at this point. The fact that a dyndns hostname is being used makes me wonder if this is someone running a server out of their home.

Phillip, to your question... I'm using a Linux VPS through DigitalOcean... their cheapest option is $5/mo, no contracts required. You get a VPS with a single CPU core, 512 MB RAM, 20 GB of storage (plenty for a streaming only server), and 1 TB of data transfer per month. IPv6 connectivity is available in most of their data centers too. With 1 TB of data transfer, you could have uplink of a 16 Kbps stream as well as 200 simultaneous 24/7 listeners, and you'd be just about at the limit. I picked Ubuntu as the OS, installed and configured Icecast, and set up UFW to block any connection attempts except 22 (for admin of the server) and 80 (for Icecast). SSH is set up with key-based login, so it's pretty secure. :) If I really wanted, I could even block 22, since they have serial console access through their control panel... though that's username/password-based.

If I wanted, I could probably host a few other streams for the heck of it, since I know I'm not getting 200 people listening 24/7. I'm just not sure of the "surge" capacity on this VPS (what it's actually capable of handling at max), which is why I haven't offered to host anyone else's stream yet.

Edit to add: The IP address behind that hostname belongs to Cox Communications... I don't expect that will be able to handle a massive surge of traffic during severe weather, unless it's on their Gigablast service. Plus, with a single global stream password and no limits on mount point creation, this person is opening themselves up to some serious abuse of their server.
Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: spweather on February 21, 2017, 11:39:30 AM
I received the above "To whom it may concern..." message by way of my website comment form a couple days ago.

The provided email address was support@crushedboxsoftware.com which makes me look at it as spam, and not a do-good-er.

The response to my asking "How you learned about SandPointWeather.com:" was "Wunderground" which made me think they may attempt to contact all WU Weather Radio streamers.

Dennis
Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: tim273 on February 21, 2017, 11:54:52 AM
I received the above "To whom it may concern..." message by way of my website comment form a couple days ago.

The provided email address was support@crushedboxsoftware.com which makes me look at it as spam, and not a do-good-er.

The response to my asking "How you learned about SandPointWeather.com:" was "Wunderground" which made me think they may attempt to contact all WU Weather Radio streamers.

Dennis

They must have contacted everyone with weather websites and contact info (or a post form), which explains why I didn't contacted since I don't have that.
Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: satcop on February 21, 2017, 11:59:40 AM
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Looks like they have quite a few of them over there, I wonder if it would make sense to consolidate over there instead?

Something about that whole thing doesn't pass the legit test, I would say lets keep on working this, there are several projects here that look like they are coming together, no reason to stop now.
Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: mikev on February 21, 2017, 12:03:52 PM
I received the above "To whom it may concern..." message by way of my website comment form a couple days ago.

The provided email address was support@crushedboxsoftware.com which makes me look at it as spam, and not a do-good-er.

The response to my asking "How you learned about SandPointWeather.com:" was "Wunderground" which made me think they may attempt to contact all WU Weather Radio streamers.

Dennis
Yeah, it looks like Crushed Box Software has an app for NOAA Weather Radio, which likely relied on the streams provided by WU. He wants to keep his app going, so he is standing up a server of his own... though like I said, I don't think it would survive a surge test.

http://crushedboxsoftware.com/nwrapp/index.html
Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: phillipdampier on February 21, 2017, 12:04:15 PM
I am back up and running through them, at least for now because it was the quickest way back for me. Also used the opportunity to adjust my URL to drop my name out of it, which was a vestige of Wunderground. Now it is just http://wxradio.dyndns.org:8000/rochester.mp3

I cannot imagine there is a big security risk or issue in doing this through them, but I do agree there could be a capacity issue or problem if Cox finds out. I am trying to find some direct email contact and I mentioned this forum in my reply to him so he might be able to visit here and answer questions.

I think long term, without a willing and generous benefactor, our best solution is probably a co-op approach where we host through a service like Linode (I use them myself to host my own website ((stop the cap)) which fights data caps and does get a lot of traffic from around the country.) Then, every participant could kick in a donation to keep the server bills paid. It probably would make sense to keep things as simple as this guy's effort is, because it only involved changing one config file. Having a central server also will probably make it easier for third party apps and services to find and include us in their listings.
Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: tim273 on February 21, 2017, 12:07:09 PM
Phillip, to your question... I'm using a Linux VPS through DigitalOcean... their cheapest option is $5/mo, no contracts required. You get a VPS with a single CPU core, 512 MB RAM, 20 GB of storage (plenty for a streaming only server), and 1 TB of data transfer per month. IPv6 connectivity is available in most of their data centers too.

DigitialOcean looks a lot like Linode, which I'm using.  Their plans are almost identical, I wonder if they are owned by the same parent company or they are competing for the same market:

https://www.upguard.com/articles/digitalocean-vs-linode
Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: Bunty on February 21, 2017, 12:08:05 PM
I received the above "To whom it may concern..." message by way of my website comment form a couple days ago.

The provided email address was support@crushedboxsoftware.com which makes me look at it as spam, and not a do-good-er.

The response to my asking "How you learned about SandPointWeather.com:" was "Wunderground" which made me think they may attempt to contact all WU Weather Radio streamers.

Dennis

I've been running it since last night.  So far, so good.  It's a lot easier to comprehend how to set up than Broadwave.
Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: phillipdampier on February 21, 2017, 12:08:12 PM
I received the above "To whom it may concern..." message by way of my website comment form a couple days ago.

The provided email address was support@crushedboxsoftware.com which makes me look at it as spam, and not a do-good-er.

The response to my asking "How you learned about SandPointWeather.com:" was "Wunderground" which made me think they may attempt to contact all WU Weather Radio streamers.

Dennis
Yeah, it looks like Crushed Box Software has an app for NOAA Weather Radio, which likely relied on the streams provided by WU. He wants to keep his app going, so he is standing up a server of his own... though like I said, I don't think it would survive a surge test.

http://crushedboxsoftware.com/nwrapp/index.html

Well that at least makes him motivated, as he did manage to track down a number of feed operators. I'm still open to alternatives as well.
Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: phillipdampier on February 21, 2017, 12:16:44 PM
Phillip, to your question... I'm using a Linux VPS through DigitalOcean... their cheapest option is $5/mo, no contracts required. You get a VPS with a single CPU core, 512 MB RAM, 20 GB of storage (plenty for a streaming only server), and 1 TB of data transfer per month. IPv6 connectivity is available in most of their data centers too.

DigitialOcean looks a lot like Linode, which I'm using.  Their plans are almost identical, I wonder if they are owned by the same parent company or they are competing for the same market:

https://www.upguard.com/articles/digitalocean-vs-linode

Digital Ocean is considered closer to a budget hosting operation than Linode, but I see Linode added a cheap plan so they are definitely competing. I have accounts with both to play with, but Linode has been my go-to server provider because it has almost zero downtime and is rock solid reliable, at least out of their Dallas server center I've used for about 5 years. They do not oversell their servers like the cheapies and they don't throw you off if you generate a sudden traffic spike (like many ultra-cheap providers do). They are generous with traffic but not as much with memory, which initially challenged us because we run a Wordpress site with a lot of plugins that can eat memory. But things are fine now. Digital Ocean performed more unevenly for us when we tested them a few years ago. I don't use them much now but they probably have improved since then.

Either are probably fine. Just steer away from the ultra cheap options on a shared server platform. The first tornado event will probably be your last day on those kinds of servers, because they eject traffic spikers.
Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: saratogaWX on February 21, 2017, 02:13:39 PM
I've retargeted my edcast upload to the wxradio.dyndns.org per the above.. I'm going to continue my BroadWave stream on my WX pc also :)
Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: tim273 on February 21, 2017, 02:18:23 PM
I've retargeted my edcast upload to the wxradio.dyndns.org per the above.. I'm going to continue my BroadWave stream on my WX pc also :)

What I might do is point my stream to wxradio.dyndns.org and then just have Cutty switch the URL on his end.  I have my own Icecast server and they have an Icecast server, so either way it's the same.  We'll see though, I have already sent an update to Tunein with my Icecast server, so I will probably wait for that first.

I've been pondering setting up a Linode server with Icecast and getting a domain name, but I want to see how everything plays out first.  We don't need another cook in the kitchen right now.
Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: satcop on February 21, 2017, 08:44:39 PM
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I've retargeted my edcast upload to the wxradio.dyndns.org per the above.. I'm going to continue my BroadWave stream on my WX pc also

Did pretty much the same thing, (although I had brought it down when WU decided it didn't want it anymore) but I am going to keep my feeds configured as they now are, quality is better on them.  That being said if it looks like  a situation occurs where my capacity here might be in trouble (which I am not so sure will happen but never know), I can leave the pointers on Cutty's site to here and cut over my website pointers to the wxradio.dyndns.org server and let it handle some of the load.  There is also a bit of redundancy built in here, although a couple of single point failures still exist.

I had one other thought, how many of the streams on wxradio site would like to have their streams pointed to by Cutty's page that don't already? 

Bob
Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: Mark / Ohio on February 21, 2017, 08:58:28 PM
I just did the same and pointed my old WU feed instead to wxradio.dyndns.org and will continue running my other feed I setup to Cuty.  Will see how it goes and may re point my webpage link to to wxradio.dyndns.org as well and let him carry the load for it too.

Think I counted 24 stations there now.  I never received an email from him to my website contact us.  So he has not sent to everyone that was on WU yet.
Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: Cutty Sark Sailor on February 22, 2017, 07:09:03 AM
Y'all do what you need to do... :grin:
meanwhile, here it is
inside Saratoga Templates...

http://frankfortweather.us/fwxnoaaradio.php  #-o

Mike

Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: satcop on February 22, 2017, 08:44:38 AM
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Y'all do what you need to do... :grin:
meanwhile, here it is
inside Saratoga Templates...

I like =D&gt;

Hmmmm if we all had this as a page on our websites using the script similar to Ken's Mesonet pages, what we would need is something set up similar to those for updates, 1 or 2 keepers of the data which would require some sort of regular update for proper pointing of the links and additions/subtractions to the streams using a cron routine.  For instance I run the update program for the mesonets on a monthly basis.  Sites could provide data to the "keepers" for maintenance, as a load on any one location probably not that bad, Ken could talk to that.

Is this where you are going with this Mike?

Bob
Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: Cutty Sark Sailor on February 22, 2017, 09:58:16 AM
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Y'all do what you need to do... :grin:
meanwhile, here it is
inside Saratoga Templates...

I like =D&gt;

Hmmmm if we all had this as a page on our websites using the script similar to Ken's Mesonet pages, what we would need is something set up similar to those for updates, 1 or 2 keepers of the data which would require some sort of regular update for proper pointing of the links and additions/subtractions to the streams using a cron routine.  For instance I run the update program for the mesonets on a monthly basis.  Sites could provide data to the "keepers" for maintenance, as a load on any one location probably not that bad, Ken could talk to that.

Is this where you are going with this Mike?

Bob
Well, this particular script, with all those features, has some restrictions.. I can use it in FrankfortWeather, others would have to link to the bare player page, and it would have to be a 'bare player' on the frankfortwether domain, rather than ourspecial.net, which is only for testing... (remember I said I'd have to change url if this proved viable? ...but the concept is where I was headed.
With folks apparently headed for that IOS pro developer's commercial IOs app site, I'm not sure how long I'll fool with this.
Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: satcop on February 22, 2017, 10:26:05 AM
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Well, this particular script, with all those features, has some restrictions.. I can use it in FrankfortWeather, others would have to link to the bare player page, and it would have to be a 'bare player' on the frankfortwether domain, rather than ourspecial.net, which is only for testing... (remember I said I'd have to change url if this proved viable? ...but the concept is where I was headed.

Well don't need to have a proprietary player, the simple html5 <audio> tag may be all that is necessary to get a player, use that on my current page and it works fine, isn't all that far off from your version 1. http://cliftonvaweather.com/wx-radio.php (http://cliftonvaweather.com/wx-radio.php)  The extras may not be necessary for a distribution.

Quote
With folks apparently headed for that IOS pro developer's commercial IOs app site, I'm not sure how long I'll fool with this

All there is on that page is a place using icecast to place the streams, it is not very user friendly, the problem of no index with some organization still exists, (it looks like the audioplayer page from the old WU, but not the wxradio page from WU), what you have put together on the page is the organization, the map idea also seen here could work as well or in conjunction with the index.

So I wouldn't give up to quickly.
Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: codegod on February 22, 2017, 10:55:53 AM
Hey Y'all, Just found this forum via another wx enthusiast who's runs the Rochester, NY station and he ask me to join in and collaborate. Let me introduce myself my name is Chris owner of Crushed Box Software I am an iOS / Android developer with some experience setting up VPS servers and MONGODB. I also am the one currently running the wxradio.dyndns.org icecast server. I see reading through forum some people have some questions. Lets chat and get to know each other.
Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: spweather on February 22, 2017, 11:46:47 AM
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With folks apparently headed for that IOS pro developer's commercial IOs app site, I'm not sure how long I'll fool with this.
Mike, I will not be providing my stream to the commercial software developer. The intent of my website is to provide a public service, not for the commercial gain of someone else.

If you decide to discontinue your efforts, I understand. I will stick with just the link on my website until a more noble alternative becomes available.

Dennis

Added: However if you can, I would like to encourage you to continue your project.
Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: Cutty Sark Sailor on February 22, 2017, 02:48:12 PM
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With folks apparently headed for that IOS pro developer's commercial IOs app site, I'm not sure how long I'll fool with this.
Mike, I will not be providing my stream to the commercial software developer. The intent of my website is to provide a public service, not for the commercial gain of someone else.

If you decide to discontinue your efforts, I understand. I will stick with just the link on my website until a more noble alternative becomes available.

Dennis

Added: However if you can, I would like to encourage you to continue your project.
Well, I've not given up yet... I've an inquiry to the script developer about  couple of changes, and usage... so hope to hear soon, and hopefully can obtain a release to share the script without goin' to jail...
meantime, sent PM to "codegod", stating my rather strong feelings about the abuse and disregard given us, and our contributions and data, by certain unmentioned third parties over the last few years... and my opinions on some criteria... and what it might take to convince a hard-headed old fool like me to participate.

He's reached out to us, so I think maybe we could listen...

Couple of my contacts at NOAA are disgusted with WU dropping feeds, don't understand it, and wish us well, by the way.

OH, Yes!  Nick up in Ontario, "The Vicarage" is officially our first EC streamer!  Took us awhile to figure that one out... doggone Nick was like a pit bull and wouldn't let go 'till he got it available for us!  Now we've got two WxRadio service icons:
(http://frankfortweather.us/content/thumbnails/NWR150.png)(http://frankfortweather.us/content/thumbnails/ECradio150.png)

So if he can hang in there, so will I... .

Mike
Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: phillipdampier on February 22, 2017, 03:54:13 PM
Things have gotten very confusing about the various projects underway, so could someone summarize the options that are now functioning on a beta or more-or-less permanent basis. I'm open to supporting multiple projects, and I'm happy to participate in several if I can understand who is doing what. For example, I'd be happy to have my feed listed as part of any app or web-based platform and I will probably also be able to participate for multiple streams going to different projects if that should prove useful. I have six weather radios here and can receive multiple NOAA Weather Radio feeds in my area. In a few months, we should have gigabit service here as well (then I can say goodbye to Time Warner Cable/Charter Spectrum). I'm also willing to help support any collaborative server/streaming effort financially to help cover costs.

I've noticed the regional weather service office is getting multiple complaints about the dropped weather radio feeds, even though they never provided them, so there is clear and unambiguous demand for this service. I was very surprised to find on Tunein that 2,700+ users there favorited my Rochester feed. That is amazing.
Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: spweather on February 22, 2017, 04:23:22 PM
FYI, for anyone considering the BroadWave Streaming Audio Server (http://www.nch.com.au/streaming/) software...

I just went to purchase the Pro version after running the free version for a couple days and see NCH has boosted the February 30% discount, that it was yesterday, to 50%.

So the current price is $59.95, it was $79.95 yesterday.

Dennis
Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: spweather on February 22, 2017, 05:27:44 PM
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the current price is $59.95, it was $79.95 yesterday
I should add... NCH's price reduction may very well be due to the efforts by Mike (Cutty Sark Sailor).

A couple days ago, after checking the price for BroadWave, I suggested (privately) he contact NCH to try to arrange a volume discount (or something similar) and I understand he did indeed contact them.

Thanks Mike,

Dennis
Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: sacreyweather on February 22, 2017, 08:08:27 PM
Hi Folks,

I believe I've got the map up to date with all of the current streams that Mike has, including correcting the one link for Ontario.

The map below is an old WU NOAA Weather Radio map from circa 2011-2012 that I had. There are somewhere around 160-170 stations on this map(rough estimate).

(https://sacrey.info/images/map_national.png)

The map I am using comes from an old template (WxWeb) prior to the passing of its designer, Jeff Lake.  The current map does not include Alaska, Hawaii and Puerto Rico, however, I am working to include them and will layer them onto this map when I am able. I would love to see this as filled the old WU map was.

John
Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: PaulMy on February 22, 2017, 08:47:39 PM
I have been following this but to my utter confusion :oops:

Nice to see Nick has it working.  What are the basics, and where do I start?

Thanks,
Paul
Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: Cutty Sark Sailor on February 22, 2017, 09:34:04 PM
Yeah, the thread got a bit 'hijacked' for awhile with "some technical stuff"  which is ok, but confusing.., but we're all in this together....
Ok..
two main ideas working... may in fact wind up as one pack, with both, or 'either or'...
John is working on a clickable map script..
I'm working 'multiplayer'... (which is currently 'restricted' use, so I can't distribute it.  Working on that issue.)
that's web presence...

Streaming is another issue.  Several of us are talking with Chris about the WxRadio.dyndns thing, and really that looks quite promising... and will help all parties. period.  I feel pretty good about it, to tell you the truth.  We'll see how it goes.
It will, I expect, simplify things for everybody.

All we're going to need is a to connect directly to your mp2 audio stream from the web page to play it on demand.
Now, if our little sub-committee and Chris decide to go for mutual benefit, the way we're thinking, it should be a step simpler

and it looks like the base for the 'main collection' in any case will simply be
http://noaaweatherradio.org
Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: DW7240 on February 22, 2017, 10:06:24 PM
Hi Paul,

Do you have Edcast (AltaCast) installed, if so it's a piece of cake to get your stream onto this.

Let me know and I'll walk you through the process !

Just check your link, you have the player, so that's setup, maybe not enough volume (this can be checked by clicking on the VU meter in Edcast, maybe the Capitalized B in your stream mp3 name, sometimes the settings are finicky.

Nick. dw7240.com
Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: Bunty on February 23, 2017, 11:44:17 AM
Hey Y'all, Just found this forum via another wx enthusiast who's runs the Rochester, NY station and he ask me to join in and collaborate. Let me introduce myself my name is Chris owner of Crushed Box Software I am an iOS / Android developer with some experience setting up VPS servers and MONGODB. I also am the one currently running the wxradio.dyndns.org icecast server. I see reading through forum some people have some questions. Lets chat and get to know each other.

Thanks a lot for being concerned enough to do what you did.  My only concern is how many listeners at a time can your system accommodate?   During severe weather the demand for NOAA weather radio audio on my site can skyrocket from a few listeners to at least a few dozen.
Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: sacreyweather on February 23, 2017, 04:02:17 PM
Ok Folks,

Got Edcast installed, connected to my Midland WR-300 radio with a dubbing cord connected. EdCast sees the stream. Got the lame_enc.dll installed in the Edcast directory. Typed in the IP/URL as:  http://wxradio.dyndns.org:8000/BentonAR.mp3

Put in the password, but I don't hear anything when I put the URL in the browser to listen.  Rate is set to 32kbps.
Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: DW7240 on February 23, 2017, 04:40:21 PM
Hi,

Can I assume you have all the required details inputted into Edcast ?

If these are correct, then typing into the browser what you have should produce a simple player mid screen and automatically play your stream.

Nicks. dw7240.com.
Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: DW7240 on February 23, 2017, 04:46:52 PM
Hi,

Just wondering when the updated listeners map will become available ?

I think everyone involved, especially Mike and John for what's been done far, awesome job !!  =D&gt; =D&gt;

Nick. dw7240.com.
Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: codegod on February 23, 2017, 04:51:04 PM
Hey Y'all, Just found this forum via another wx enthusiast who's runs the Rochester, NY station and he ask me to join in and collaborate. Let me introduce myself my name is Chris owner of Crushed Box Software I am an iOS / Android developer with some experience setting up VPS servers and MONGODB. I also am the one currently running the wxradio.dyndns.org icecast server. I see reading through forum some people have some questions. Lets chat and get to know each other.

Thanks a lot for being concerned enough to do what you did.  My only concern is how many listeners at a time can your system accommodate?   During severe weather the demand for NOAA weather radio audio on my site can skyrocket from a few listeners to at least a few dozen.

Understood, let's give it a try and see what happens. I am open to putting it on a VPS if need be. Thoughts?


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Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: codegod on February 23, 2017, 04:54:12 PM
We're expected to have some severe weather hit tomorrow up in the North central.


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Title: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: codegod on February 23, 2017, 05:03:01 PM
Ok Folks,

Got Edcast installed, connected to my Midland WR-300 radio with a dubbing cord connected. EdCast sees the stream. Got the lame_enc.dll installed in the Edcast directory. Typed in the IP/URL as:  http://wxradio.dyndns.org:8000/BentonAR.mp3

Put in the password, but I don't hear anything when I put the URL in the browser to listen.  Rate is set to 32kbps.

Thanks for adding your feed! I do see your feed added into the system. However upon loading it in the browser it's just dead air. Is your cord connected from the Weather Radio's headphones or line out?


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Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: sacreyweather on February 23, 2017, 05:07:45 PM
Hi,

I'm thinking its my router. I have a Motorola NVG 510 from AT&T U-verse. Does this need to be port forwarded for port 8000?
Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: codegod on February 23, 2017, 05:18:55 PM
I wouldn't think it's router since your able to connect to the icecast server. Anyone else wanna chime in to help solve this issue?


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Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: sacreyweather on February 23, 2017, 05:31:20 PM
Now, I'm not sure. THe cable was connected to the external speaker on the radio to the Line In on the soundcard.
Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: DW7240 on February 23, 2017, 05:53:35 PM
Hey John,

Sounds like your connections are correct, same as mine, have you tried using headphones on the sound card, also you should be able to hear your radio over the sound cards speakers (if you have some attached) if not plug in some headphones to make sure sound is on the soundcard.

Also make sure radio volume is not too high / low.

Nick. dw7240.com.
Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: satcop on February 23, 2017, 06:22:10 PM
Are you seeing the modulated signal when you have the edcast program on your screen?  It should be green yellow red as you go left to right and by level of strength, and modulating with the audio.  It is at the top.   If you do, the signal has at least got to the edcast software.
Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: Bunty on February 23, 2017, 10:10:41 PM
Hey Y'all, Just found this forum via another wx enthusiast who's runs the Rochester, NY station and he ask me to join in and collaborate. Let me introduce myself my name is Chris owner of Crushed Box Software I am an iOS / Android developer with some experience setting up VPS servers and MONGODB. I also am the one currently running the wxradio.dyndns.org icecast server. I see reading through forum some people have some questions. Lets chat and get to know each other.

Thanks a lot for being concerned enough to do what you did.  My only concern is how many listeners at a time can your system accommodate?   During severe weather the demand for NOAA weather radio audio on my site can skyrocket from a few listeners to at least a few dozen.

Understood, let's give it a try and see what happens. I am open to putting it on a VPS if need be. Thoughts?


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I got disconnected but succeeded in reconnecting.  From my end, I should have had my Radio Feed checked to automatically reconnect.
Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: codegod on February 23, 2017, 11:01:29 PM
Yeah, the thread got a bit 'hijacked' for awhile with "some technical stuff"  which is ok, but confusing.., but we're all in this together....
Ok..
two main ideas working... may in fact wind up as one pack, with both, or 'either or'...
John is working on a clickable map script..
I'm working 'multiplayer'... (which is currently 'restricted' use, so I can't distribute it.  Working on that issue.)
that's web presence...

Streaming is another issue.  Several of us are talking with Chris about the WxRadio.dyndns thing, and really that looks quite promising... and will help all parties. period.  I feel pretty good about it, to tell you the truth.  We'll see how it goes.
It will, I expect, simplify things for everybody.

All we're going to need is a to connect directly to your mp2 audio stream from the web page to play it on demand.
Now, if our little sub-committee and Chris decide to go for mutual benefit, the way we're thinking, it should be a step simpler

and it looks like the base for the 'main collection' in any case will simply be
http://noaaweatherradio.org



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Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: codegod on February 23, 2017, 11:07:14 PM
Hey Mike that all sounds really good, what's your thoughts on how we can dynamically feed the new website at noaaweatherradio.org with the icecast server data.


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Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: codegod on February 23, 2017, 11:09:50 PM
Also is there anyone here actively tracking down the WU streamers so we can get them hooked into the new system? I am reaching out to everyone I can find.


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Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: sacreyweather on February 24, 2017, 06:37:26 AM
Hi Folks,

Thank for the tips and suggestions. I'll check it when I get home this afternoon. I've got it down to a couple of things. Either I don't have the correct cable, or the external speaker jack on the radio is gone, just not sure which. 

John
Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: DDinTV on February 24, 2017, 12:56:21 PM
I'm a newbie here.  Happened to find this site while searching for info about WU's now-defunct NOAA Radio streams.  Being both a weather enthusiast and a broadcaster, I made great use of WU's streaming service, and am really sorry to hear that they've apparently decided to end this service.

I am, however, happy to see that the streaming community is stepping up to the plate to keep this going, and I commend everyone here for putting in the time and effort to make it happen!  I live in an area that was a null for my local NOAA station (Onondaga, MI) until NWS upgraded their transmitter last year.  I know what it's like to depend on these streams when a radio signal isn't available.  By providing these streams and providing a workable platform, you guys are doing valuable work that will help a lot people and perhaps even save lives.  Keep up the great work!
Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: tim273 on February 24, 2017, 01:52:17 PM
If you're streaming at 16 Kbps, 250 users would equal 4 Mbps of outgoing data your server would be pushing. As long as your internet connection has that capacity for upload, you'll be doing good. Of course, I know some folks are streaming at much higher bit rates, which will either significantly increase your speed requirement or significantly reduce your listener capacity (250 users at 64 Kbps would require 16 Mbps of upload speed).

If you have an internet connection with an upload speed of 2 Mbps or less, I would highly recommend both a low bit rate stream (so as to leave more internet speed available for you to use) and to use an outside server... you're not going to be able to handle a surge of users from a server running at your home.

Unfortunately, I don't know of any free streaming audio server providers (at least that will currently accept NWR streams; I've tried pushing RadioReference/Broadcastify, but they seem unwilling to accept NOAA Weather Radio streams on their service). The hosting service I'm paying for costs me $5/mo for a full Linux virtual private server... I can provide more numbers/info if desired.

For mine, 250 is probably a number I'll never reach, probably more like 100 to 150 max on a severe weather day.  I've thought about setting up Icecast on a outside server, but I want to see how it goes with what I have first.  If I get to the point where it's too much, I might do that.  I already have an outside server for other purposes at Linode (https://www.linode.com/pricing), which is a fairly inexpensive option for what you get (as low as $5 a month).

Ok, I decide to switch my Icecast server to a Linode instance with 3TB a month of transfer, hopefully that will be enough, I can't imagine I'll use anywhere near that for one weather radio stream, but we'll see because that's in/out and a constant stream in will add up.  I switched things around as I was using it for something else and wasn't using anywhere near the 3TB a month, so I added another $5 a month one for that and am using the other one for Icecast.  I switched around my DNS so that no changes need to be made since I now have Tunein pointing to it. 

http://tunein.com/radio/NOAA-Weather-Radio-16255-s88255/

Hopefully it all works out.
Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: codegod on February 24, 2017, 02:04:58 PM
Hi Tim what feed do you provide?


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Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: tim273 on February 24, 2017, 02:45:20 PM
Hi Tim what feed do you provide?


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Minneapolis, St Paul: http://www.urberg.net:8000/tim273/edina.m3u (or just http://www.urberg.net:8000/tim273/edina for the actual stream)
Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: sacreyweather on February 24, 2017, 04:38:03 PM
Hi Folks,

Found the cause. The output on my Midland WR300 has bit the dust. Using my Reecom 1630 and it is now working.

http://wxradio.dyndns.org:8000/BentonAR.mp3

John
Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: codegod on February 24, 2017, 04:42:03 PM
John, that's great news! I just confirmed it's working great! Thank you for your service!


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Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: codegod on February 24, 2017, 04:43:48 PM
Hi Tim what feed do you provide?


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Minneapolis, St Paul: http://www.urberg.net:8000/tim273/edina.m3u (or just http://www.urberg.net:8000/tim273/edina for the actual stream)

Tim, thank you very much for providing your service as well! Much appreciated!


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Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: phillipdampier on February 24, 2017, 06:55:28 PM
Here are some updates:

TUNEIN

TuneIn is probably the biggest and most important third party streaming platform around. Their database is also used by other apps to point to various streams so if you have relaunched your stream, you will want to get your listing on TuneIn updated. Here is how:

http://help.tunein.com/customer/portal/emails/new?ticket%5Blabels_new%5D=update_submission&t=692442 is the page to use to submit changes to your feed. If you were listed on TuneIn before via Weather Underground, you can get your station ID from the URL TuneIn assigned to your feed (you can Google the callsign of the NOAA Weather Radio feed you provided and a link to TuneIn will likely be prominent in the results. Otherwise, just use TuneIn's search option on their website.)

Example: http://tunein.com/radio/NOAA-Weather-Radio-1624-s80000/
Your station ID in this example is S80000.

Fill out the form noted above with details about the station you are feeding. The genre/format is "weather" and you can list the feed times as "24/7" . Do not bother uploading graphics, but do include contact information.

After submitting this form, you need to open a support ticket here: http://help.tunein.com/customer/portal/emails/new?ticket[labels_new]=broadcaster&

The message you will save you back and forth with TuneIn. In this message send this:

"Weather Underground has decided to cease streaming their weather radio feeds as of March 1, 2017, but the service has actually been offline for the last two weeks. I have been providing a feed of [insert station call letters, location and TuneIn URL to the now defunct stream here] to Weather Underground and as a result of the service being offline I am now relocating my stream to a new host so I can continue independent of Weather Underground. Therefore, so TuneIn listeners can continue to hear my feed, please remove references to Weather Underground and point TuneIn to the URL provided in the stream update form I just completed and sent. If you have any questions, please contact me."

You should get a response in 24-48 hours alerting you they are updating their website and app to reflect the new stream source. You must renounce your affiliation with Weather Underground before they will update your stream on their site. This is done in the support ticket.

LOCATING OLD STREAM HOSTS

Many of the stream providers don't offer a website or identification information about who is providing the stream. But I've found some URLs include personally identifiable user info such as a username or name (mine had my last name in the URL on Wunderground). You may be able to track down who provided the stream with this info. You may also find responsive audiences on any Facebook groups run by the regional NWS forecast office.

The prominence of this thread has been rising on Google as well, so hopefully people will find their way here. It would be nice if Weather Underground might list at least one contact point in their official press releases ending the streams for those that want to continue. We might want to contact them about that before March 1 if we settle on a site streamers can visit for more info on how to relaunch their streams.
Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: Fox_Of_The_Wind on February 24, 2017, 08:30:04 PM
I was going to jump on this bandwagon also but I see someone else is streaming the station I have. So much for that. I will just sit back and watch this thread. :)
Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: Cutty Sark Sailor on February 24, 2017, 08:53:41 PM
I was going to jump on this bandwagon also but I see someone else is streaming the station I have. So much for that. I will just sit back and watch this thread. :)
Alternate Streams are good! power outages, blown modems, ...  Jump In

Ok... added a bunch of 'new' streams... mostly courtesy of Chris shoutcast...
...have about 4 trying to track a freq and station on...

I also Updated Many previous links to Chris'  Shoutcast server links... WxRadio: that takes a load off your 'raw' connection', and perhaps improves the quality in some cases.

http://noaaweatherradio.org (http://noaaweatherradio.org)

I think this collaboration with Chris from CrushedBoxSoftware is going to work well..., and we owe him a big thanks.

Couple of notes on noaaweatherradio.org.  Haven't had a chance to update the little info blurbs.. bout time for "Gold Rush" anyway...
PWS SITE Links are indicated by
(http://noaaweatherradio.org/content/modern_skin_dark/buy-button-over.png)
1. NO links are provided for feeds which are generated by source that isn't either a 'weather oriented site' or otherwise 'commercial'
2. Non weather sites, or courtesy feeds from 'friends' are listed as 'courtesy' with no link
3. Stream Thumbnails: (so far)
Streams from wxRadio.dyndns (Chris)
(http://noaaweatherradio.org/content/thumbnails/NWR150cbs.png)  (http://noaaweatherradio.org/content/thumbnails/ECradio150cbs.png)

Streams direct from source PWS or other sources
(http://noaaweatherradio.org/content/thumbnails/NWR150.png)  (http://noaaweatherradio.org/content/thumbnails/ECradio150.png)

Mike

Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: satcop on February 24, 2017, 08:55:17 PM
Quote
I was going to jump on this bandwagon also but I see someone else is streaming the station I have. So much for that. I will just sit back and watch this thread.


Hi Fox

There is nothing wrong with redundancy here.  In fact for this type of service it is a good thing, especially with power etc. so  please don't hesitate to jump on board.

Bob
Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: codegod on February 24, 2017, 09:03:59 PM
I was going to jump on this bandwagon also but I see someone else is streaming the station I have. So much for that. I will just sit back and watch this thread. :)
Alternate Streams are good! power outages, blown modems, ...  Jump In

Ok... added a bunch of 'new' streams... mostly courtesy of Chris shoutcast...
...have about 4 trying to track a freq and station on...

I also Updated Many previous links to Chris'  Shoutcast server links... WxRadio: that takes a load off your 'raw' connection', and perhaps improves the quality in some cases.

http://noaaweatherradio.org (http://noaaweatherradio.org)

I think this collaboration with Chris from CrushedBoxSoftware is going to work well..., and we owe him a big thanks.

Couple of notes on noaaweatherradio.org.  Haven't had a chance to update the little info blurbs.. bout time for "Gold Rush" anyway...
PWS SITE Links are indicated by
(http://noaaweatherradio.org/content/modern_skin_dark/buy-button-over.png)
1. NO links are provided for feeds which are generated by source that isn't either a 'weather oriented site' or otherwise 'commercial'
2. Non weather sites, or courtesy feeds from 'friends' are listed as 'courtesy' with no link
3. Stream Thumbnails: (so far)
Streams from wxRadio.dyndns (Chris)
(http://noaaweatherradio.org/content/thumbnails/NWR150cbs.png)  (http://noaaweatherradio.org/content/thumbnails/ECradio150cbs.png)

Streams direct from source PWS or other sources
(http://noaaweatherradio.org/content/thumbnails/NWR150.png)  (http://noaaweatherradio.org/content/thumbnails/ECradio150.png)

Mike

Mike great work, FYI the Phoenix feed is from me personally since it's where I am located.


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Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: sacreyweather on February 24, 2017, 09:59:44 PM
Looks great Mike!!!!

Can you send me a list of the new stations I need to add to the map, please?  Either here, PM or email. Whatever is easiest.

John
Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: Cutty Sark Sailor on February 24, 2017, 10:27:33 PM
Looks great Mike!!!!

Can you send me a list of the new stations I need to add to the map, please?  Either here, PM or email. Whatever is easiest.

John
Watch email...
Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: Cutty Sark Sailor on February 24, 2017, 11:37:31 PM
Heh... couple of you guys drivin' me nuts changing urls! You know who you are, Bob , et. al.  :grin:

This is whatcha call a 'living' website...  :twisted:

Seriously, now up to 27 streams, (if some folks leave 'em alone  :roll:)

at http://noaaweatherradio.iorg

Hate to think what John's goin' through updating his map ...

THE LIST HAS CHANGED AGAIN, JOHN !  :twisted:

'
Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: Mark / Ohio on February 24, 2017, 11:46:17 PM
Thanks to all involved!   :grin:  =D&gt;

I updated my webpage to point to http://noaaweatherradio.org for station lists and have a link to my own feed as an alternate.  Sent a note to Tunein per Phillip's instructions where to find the new feed from wxradio.  I think my mission is accomplished and my work is done.   ;) 
Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: 44085weather on February 25, 2017, 09:56:38 AM
What do I need to do to provide a stream to you. I used to broadcast to radioreference.com

Is there a how to somewhere?
Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: sacreyweather on February 25, 2017, 10:19:59 AM
What do I need to do to provide a stream to you. I used to broadcast to radioreference.com

Is there a how to somewhere?

Hi,

Please use the following to get your stream uploading and playing (Broadwave, Icecast, Edcast, etc.). Chris of Crushed Box Software (http://crushedboxsoftware.com/) has graciously volunteered to upgrade a server to accommodate us who wish to broadcast.

Change Server IP to: wxradio.dyndns.org
Use Encoder Password: WxRadio2014


If you can provide us with what station you are broadcasting, its location (state, city frequency), your website name, if you have one, or if it is a dedicated stream, etc.  Once we have this, we will add it to a clickable map (https://sacrey.info/wxradio.php), so anyone can listen and add it to a dedicated radio page (http://frankfortweather.us/fwxnoaaradio.php). Both of these pages are a working progress.

If you have any questions, please don't hesitate to ask.

John
Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: sacreyweather on February 25, 2017, 11:00:10 AM
Hi Folks,

Got the map updated with all of the working feeds that Mike (Cutty Sark) sent me via email.  There are only 2 feeds he listed that aren't working currently. I believe these are being tested. Once they are working, I will add them to the map.
Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: saratogaWX on February 25, 2017, 12:47:42 PM
I did a small PHP to extract the data from the (defunct) NOAA Radio Page on WU and put the data in a spreadsheet.
Thought it might be helpful to see what *was* there.

Thanks so much for creating noaaweatherradio.org .. nice to have a central site for it again.  I'm using edcast to push to the icecast server at wxradio.dyndns.org and doing a direct broadcast using BroadWave on my weather PC.  Looks like not much additional loading on the WX PC so I'm happy to offer both.

Best regards,
Ken

edit: added a News item to the forum heading to highlight the new NWR noaaweatherradio.org site.
Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: sacreyweather on February 25, 2017, 01:27:40 PM
Cool. Thanks, Ken!!!  Do we need to contact those on the list you created that have websites, contacts, etc. and see if they want to join? I just sent an email to the other feed here in AR.

John
Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: saratogaWX on February 25, 2017, 01:38:45 PM
That's up to you and Mike .. I just thought a list of what *was* available from WU might be helpful in finding stream contributors for the new service.  Pity that more info didn't exist on the WU page.. not even a WU station ID in the listing, and only queries for ZIP code weather (but missing on some station entries).
Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: saratogaWX on February 25, 2017, 01:47:38 PM
I added the raw WU .htm page and extraction script to the .zip (just thought you may want to amend the script if needed).
Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: sacreyweather on February 25, 2017, 02:07:59 PM
Thanks, Ken!!!!!
Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: NDS on February 25, 2017, 05:51:12 PM
Currently feeding WXL57 Des Moines to wxradio.dyndns.org:8000/NWR/Des_Moines.mp3 Not really sure what else I need to do. Please advise.
Thanks, Nick
Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: Cutty Sark Sailor on February 25, 2017, 06:15:19 PM
Currently feeding WXL57 Des Moines to wxradio.dyndns.org:8000/NWR/Des_Moines.mp3 Not really sure what else I need to do. Please advise.
Thanks, Nick
Hi Nick!
We'll get you on the developing NOAAWEATHERRADIO pages as soon as we can. We'll pick you up from dyndns
Mike

One faster way, to be sure, is email me or PM... with info, including your weather site, if you have one, and link to it. Would appreciate FREQ of transmitter, and location, otherwise have to look it up..
Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: sacreyweather on February 25, 2017, 06:25:47 PM
Hi Nick,

Got you added to the map (https://sacrey.info/wxradio.php).  Do you have a website you would to add a link to?

John
Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: NDS on February 25, 2017, 06:36:47 PM
Thanks Mike, like a lot of other people I appreciate your commitment to weather and work on all this. Don't have a website, I currently feed my weather station to WU (Summit in Johnston, Iowa). Hopefully the information below helps.

Des Moines, Iowa
Call Sign   Power   Frequency   Status
WXL57   1000 W   162.550 MHz   NORMAL

State   County   SAME   Remarks
IA   Adair           019001   
IA   Boone   019015   
IA   Clarke   019039   North
IA   Dallas   019049   
IA   Greene   019073   
IA   Guthrie   019077   
IA   Jasper   019099   
IA   Madison   019121   
IA   Marion   019125   
IA   Polk           019153   
IA   Story           019169   
IA   Warren   019181
Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: Mark / Ohio on February 25, 2017, 08:01:49 PM
I added the raw WU .htm page and extraction script to the .zip (just thought you may want to amend the script if needed).

Thanks Ken!  I'll see if I can reach out to the others here in Ohio.  I think at least one of them is already on the new server.
Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: Cutty Sark Sailor on February 25, 2017, 09:18:50 PM
Currently feeding WXL57 Des Moines to wxradio.dyndns.org:8000/NWR/Des_Moines.mp3 Not really sure what else I need to do. Please advise.
Thanks, Nick
All Right ! 
You're on the page:  http://noaaweatherradio.org
Welcome! Good Stream!

Mike
Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: satcop on February 25, 2017, 10:18:03 PM
Well I thought I would try something and see if it works.  Nothing in here is proprietary, at least I don't think so....  Just another player, it has the streams on the wxradio site, I can put others on as well.  Still need to finish converting it all to html5 so it doesn't quite validate yet.  Any suggestions would be helpful.  Here is the link:  http://cliftonvaweather.com/wxnoaaradio.php (http://cliftonvaweather.com/wxnoaaradio.php).

Fire away......

Bob
Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: Cutty Sark Sailor on February 25, 2017, 11:05:36 PM
whew...
Up to 38 on the site... http://noaaweatherradio.org (http://noaaweatherradio.org)
CHRIS has claimed a number of stray sheep from the WU flock, and hopefully I've no glaring errors in the entries on the site...

Many of the additions do NOT have website credits, and I know a lot should, but the info simply isn't in the data at Chris' Ice Cast.//
So, if you should need to be there, or your stream updated, give me a PM... you're on it as per Chris' data.

If you're not pointed to the dyndns server, and using a server ypu can't point, PM or Email me with your info, Transmitter Name, location, freq, call letters, your website   and most importantly, an MP3 link to your stream locally.

More stuff coming on the site, as we see what's cool, and can make things work.... soon as the rush is over we'll be doin a few things, and try to get some of the stuff we're tryin' into a package or whatever might be appropriate....

Mike
Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: Mark / Ohio on February 25, 2017, 11:42:04 PM
I think I successfully got a note through to the two other Ohio guys that were not listed yet via twitter and a personal blog.  I also sent out a link (http://noaaweatherradio.org/) on my weather station Twitter account to my 300 followers there and my weather station Facebook account to my 5000 followers there.  That ought to bring some activity next round of severe weather.   ;)
Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: codegod on February 26, 2017, 12:22:56 AM
Awesome job to everyone involved. I am so glad to of link up with such a great group of dedicated weather professionals. Together we will build something much better than the past.


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Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: hankster on February 26, 2017, 01:22:56 AM
It appears there is an issue with the Fort Myers FL stream.
Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: Cutty Sark Sailor on February 26, 2017, 09:16:39 AM
It appears there is an issue with the Fort Myers FL stream.
Yes.
that's (another) Chris, at Cape Weather, .. I think he's on a scanner, and may not be aware... He's probably on vacation up near arctic circle ...
 :twisted: I think that's where Floridians go in the summer...

Seriously.. couple of things.. regardless of transmitter reception issues or quality...
the volume level of the stations listed is sort of all over the place...
if everybody averaged their volume at 0 to -6 db on any source 'meter' that would be cool
and
split any mono single channel receiver outputs into 'stereo' L + R , (both channels equal),  or output as 'mono'  L=R so 'both' speakers balance out on user end...
Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: sacreyweather on February 26, 2017, 10:12:26 AM
Hi Folks,

Think I have everyone updated on the map (https://sacrey.info/wxradio.php). Everyone please check your information there, to make sure I inputted it correctly.

John
Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: tim273 on February 26, 2017, 10:13:16 AM
It appears there is an issue with the Fort Myers FL stream.

I created a script that checks for when my weather stream is down, I run it on one of my Linode linux boxes (you could also run it on a Raspberry Pi) but maybe it could be ported to Windows.  First I had to set up linux to be a relay to Google (https://www.howtoforge.com/tutorial/configure-postfix-to-use-gmail-as-a-mail-relay/) then I created this script:

Code: [Select]
#!/bin/bash

#url="http://audioplayer.wunderground.com"
url="http://www.urberg.net:8000"

status_code=$(curl -v --silent $url 2>&1 | grep tim273/edina)
date=`date`

if [ "$status_code" == "" ]
then
        #echo "The weather radio is down at $date" >> /var/log/status_check.log
        mail -s "Weather Radio is Down" my.email@gmail.com <<< "The weather radio is down at $date."
fi

And then I set it up on a cron to run every 15 minutes:

Code: [Select]
tim@ubuntu:~$ crontab -e

  GNU nano 2.5.3        File: /tmp/crontab.1GNfT8/crontab

*/15 * * * * /home/tim/check-weather-radio



















                                [ Read 1 line ]
^G Get Help  ^O Write Out ^W Where Is  ^K Cut Text  ^J Justify   ^C Cur Pos
^X Exit      ^R Read File ^\ Replace   ^U Uncut Text^T To Spell  ^_ Go To Line

So that alerts me if my weather radio stream is down.  I had been using it when I was streaming to WU and it would notify me if there was an issue.  Sometimes I would have to restart it on my side, and sometimes it was WU's Icecast server being down, which I couldn't control.  When they went down last month I got a bizillion emails, so I had to disable it and then turned it back on with mine.  Anyway, just thought I'd share.
Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: satcop on February 26, 2017, 11:34:25 AM
Well I think I got everyone, if I missed somebody please let me know.  There were a couple of dead links in setting this up.  I suspect that in some cases there was a change in the url for the source.  The code also checks out under html5 validation.   Further enhancements planned.  Also need to figure out what to do with Canadian stations, not sure if they have any maps of coverage area for their transmitters, can anyone help on that one?  Here is the link https://cliftonvaweather.com/wxnoaaradio.php (https://cliftonvaweather.com/wxnoaaradio.php).  Obviously as changes come in and we add sites will need to make adjustments, expect quite a few over the short term.

Bob
Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: sacreyweather on February 26, 2017, 12:44:02 PM
Cool page, Bob!!!!  Think I have 39 feeds on the map now. Has anyone other than Chris sent emails to those that have one from WU regarding our project?  I have thought about it, but didn't want to duplicate the work and annoy anyone.

John
Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: satcop on February 26, 2017, 01:24:48 PM
Thanks John, when things settle out and I finish this up a bit more, I would like to offer it, if folks desire, to "members" that supply feeds for the group.  The default site on load is adjustable for each site.  I use Ken's template but I don't see why it shouldn't be able to run on others or could be adapted.  Issue is updates, need to work that one.  I am also open to suggestions on additions/subtractions etc.

Bob
Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: phillipdampier on February 26, 2017, 02:14:58 PM
Effective today, RadioReference/Broadcastify has rescinded its ban on NOAA Weather Radio services and now supports hosting them. I have added a second feed to Broadcastify which will run in tandem with the feed listed on noaaweatherradio.org. http://forums.radioreference.com/broadcastify-live-audio-administration/347854-noaa-weather-radio.html#post2723075

Details on hosting on RadioReference/Broadcastify: https://broadcastify.zendesk.com/hc/en-us/articles/204740055-Becoming-a-Feed-Provider

They have not yet removed the language from the application form banning weather radio services, but they are now being accepted. You download a client and configure the feed through your account on RadioReference/Broadcastify. It took me about 10 minutes to set up. They have to authorize your stream before it will run -- that took another 10 minutes this morning.

Broadcastify has a HUGE platform of listeners -- usually between 25,000-30,000 listening at the same time. As a feed provider, you get free Premium access, which includes audio archives of all feeds.
Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: phillipdampier on February 26, 2017, 02:26:49 PM
Well I think I got everyone, if I missed somebody please let me know.  There were a couple of dead links in setting this up.  I suspect that in some cases there was a change in the url for the source.  The code also checks out under html5 validation.   Further enhancements planned.  Also need to figure out what to do with Canadian stations, not sure if they have any maps of coverage area for their transmitters, can anyone help on that one?  Here is the link https://cliftonvaweather.com/wxnoaaradio.php (https://cliftonvaweather.com/wxnoaaradio.php).  Obviously as changes come in and we add sites will need to make adjustments, expect quite a few over the short term.

Bob

Environment Canada doesn't publish readily accessible coverage maps. They state coverage is up to 60km from the transmitter site. Here is the station list, but it omits call letters: http://www.ec.gc.ca/meteo-weather/default.asp?lang=En&n=8830FA44-1

Their logo is below:

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Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: Cutty Sark Sailor on February 26, 2017, 03:10:49 PM
 #-o Sheesh... we may be getting at cross purposes, here...
We need to decide if we're going to, as a community, do our thing, or feed and hit all various providers. What we do as individuals is ok, and fine...
but as a community, what?

I'm not going to 'chase' feeds everywhere to try to bring 'em into one accessible, non commercial, weather radio oriented site, which will eventually have other Weather Radio focused features, for any of us to grab onto ... and I learned my lesson through WU, thank you. I suspect a few folks working on concepts and features around this scenario (Bob, John, et.al.) feel the same. I personally am NOT going to  transmit multiple streams to multiple places, especially any commercial providers, or promote them with One very general Exception... 

We have a phone app developer "Friend" named Chris, who offered us his IceCast, and commits to expanding to VPS or whatever is required in the future to fill needs. This enables flexibility for each of us, anonymous 'donor' connection,etc, and his only 'gain' is enhancing his phone apps with another bunch of feeds...and costs us nothing.  He approached us.  We didn't have to convince him to change any policies, or create an involved sign-up with restrictions, etc. At first ,I was a bit leery, but became sold on the idea. He's put a lot of time and effort into reclaiming WU's lost sheep... and didn't desire any credit on the site, but I insisted on that.

So, it's decide what the community does, or wants. If we're going multiple focus, I have a domain for sale. Cheap.

And if continuing to promote other alternatives to the original premise of this thread, I'd suggest starting other threads.
Mike
Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: codegod on February 26, 2017, 05:14:52 PM
#-o Sheesh... we may be getting at cross purposes, here...
We need to decide if we're going to, as a community, do our thing, or feed and hit all various providers. What we do as individuals is ok, and fine...
but as a community, what?

I'm not going to 'chase' feeds everywhere to try to bring 'em into one accessible, non commercial, weather radio oriented site, which will eventually have other Weather Radio focused features, for any of us to grab onto ... and I learned my lesson through WU, thank you. I suspect a few folks working on concepts and features around this scenario (Bob, John, et.al.) feel the same. I personally am NOT going to  transmit multiple streams to multiple places, especially any commercial providers, or promote them with One very general Exception... 

We have a phone app developer "Friend" named Chris, who offered us his IceCast, and commits to expanding to VPS or whatever is required in the future to fill needs. This enables flexibility for each of us, anonymous 'donor' connection,etc, and his only 'gain' is enhancing his phone apps with another bunch of feeds...and costs us nothing.  He approached us.  We didn't have to convince him to change any policies, or create an involved sign-up with restrictions, etc. At first ,I was a bit leery, but became sold on the idea. He's put a lot of time and effort into reclaiming WU's lost sheep... and didn't desire any credit on the site, but I insisted on that.

So, it's decide what the community does, or wants. If we're going multiple focus, I have a domain for sale. Cheap.

And if continuing to promote other alternatives to the original premise of this thread, I'd suggest starting other threads.
Mike

Mike, well said. We should all focus on 1 central location as to not have everything scattered all over the place. This would also hold true for bringing all the old WU streamers and folks out there looking to host a new stream to our community. We should be promoting 1 community under noaaweatherradio.org and hosting streams either through my icecast server or from their own website etc and into noaaweatherradio.org Thoughts?


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Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: corwyyn on February 26, 2017, 09:42:03 PM
John, just a heads-up but when I click on the link for your map I get a '403 - Permission Denied' error. 
Hi Folks,

Think I have everyone updated on the map (https://sacrey.info/wxradio.php). Everyone please check your information there, to make sure I inputted it correctly.

John
Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: sacreyweather on February 27, 2017, 06:13:48 AM
John, just a heads-up but when I click on the link for your map I get a '403 - Permission Denied' error. 
Hi Folks,

Think I have everyone updated on the map (https://sacrey.info/wxradio.php). Everyone please check your information there, to make sure I inputted it correctly.

John

Hi Kevin,

I'm not sure why you're getting a 403. I've checked my .htaccess and your IP range from Cox Communications is not on my list at all.

John
Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: sacreyweather on February 27, 2017, 07:18:36 AM
Hi Folks,

We may very see our first true test of our new radio setup here on Tuesday, based on the current forecasts. Could be interesting.

Chris, is there a way to see how many listeners we have at any one time? I guess I'm thinking like what WU had and RadioReference does have.

FYI - I am looking at re-doing the map using Googlemap. Just have to learn how.

John
Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: corwyyn on February 27, 2017, 08:28:32 AM


Hi Kevin,

I'm not sure why you're getting a 403. I've checked my .htaccess and your IP range from Cox Communications is not on my list at all.

John
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I'm not sure either, but here is a screen capture of how things look on my end when I try to open the link.
EDIT: OK that came out a bit larger than I had intended.
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Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: sacreyweather on February 27, 2017, 08:36:49 AM
Hi Kevin,

Please try again. I've added that entire IP Range to my allow list.
Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: sacreyweather on February 27, 2017, 10:46:28 AM


Hi Kevin,

I'm not sure why you're getting a 403. I've checked my .htaccess and your IP range from Cox Communications is not on my list at all.

John
I'm not sure either, but here is a screen capture of how things look on my end when I try to open the link.
EDIT: OK that came out a bit larger than I had intended.
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[/quote]

Hi Kevin,

I've added both the entire IP range and your specific IP into my allowed list in my .htaccess hoping that will work.
Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: 44085weather on February 27, 2017, 04:06:20 PM

Please use the following to get your stream uploading and playing (Broadwave, Icecast, Edcast, etc.). Chris of Crushed Box Software (http://crushedboxsoftware.com/) has graciously volunteered to upgrade a server to accommodate us who wish to broadcast.

Change Server IP to: wxradio.dyndns.org
Use Encoder Password: WxRadio2014

If you have any questions, please don't hesitate to ask.

John

Between Icecast or Broadwave which would you recommend that uses the least resources - network and CPU wise.?
Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: sacreyweather on February 27, 2017, 04:13:25 PM
Hi,

I'm unable to say which one would use the least resources. I'm using EdCast on an Intel Atom CPU based box, without any issues. This machine runs Windows 7 Pro, with Avast A/V, and Cumulus MX at the same time.

John
Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: 44085weather on February 27, 2017, 05:03:44 PM
Hi,

I'm unable to say which one would use the least resources. I'm using EdCast on an Intel Atom CPU based box, without any issues. This machine runs Windows 7 Pro, with Avast A/V, and Cumulus MX at the same time.

John

Does edcast have a free version?
Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: sacreyweather on February 27, 2017, 05:05:52 PM
Yes, it is free.
Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: phillipdampier on February 27, 2017, 05:06:16 PM
#-o Sheesh... we may be getting at cross purposes, here...
We need to decide if we're going to, as a community, do our thing, or feed and hit all various providers. What we do as individuals is ok, and fine...
but as a community, what?

I'm not going to 'chase' feeds everywhere to try to bring 'em into one accessible, non commercial, weather radio oriented site, which will eventually have other Weather Radio focused features, for any of us to grab onto ... and I learned my lesson through WU, thank you. I suspect a few folks working on concepts and features around this scenario (Bob, John, et.al.) feel the same. I personally am NOT going to  transmit multiple streams to multiple places, especially any commercial providers, or promote them with One very general Exception... 

We have a phone app developer "Friend" named Chris, who offered us his IceCast, and commits to expanding to VPS or whatever is required in the future to fill needs. This enables flexibility for each of us, anonymous 'donor' connection,etc, and his only 'gain' is enhancing his phone apps with another bunch of feeds...and costs us nothing.  He approached us.  We didn't have to convince him to change any policies, or create an involved sign-up with restrictions, etc. At first ,I was a bit leery, but became sold on the idea. He's put a lot of time and effort into reclaiming WU's lost sheep... and didn't desire any credit on the site, but I insisted on that.

So, it's decide what the community does, or wants. If we're going multiple focus, I have a domain for sale. Cheap.

And if continuing to promote other alternatives to the original premise of this thread, I'd suggest starting other threads.
Mike

I think you are being excessively sensitive on this. There should be nothing wrong with openly discussing various options and giving people a choice. I intend to support your project and I support Broadcastify as a secondary option as my personal choice. I've already said I will work with anyone and I'm even willing to help financially support whatever model "we" collectively as a group here decide to construct to make our own. I intend to prioritize the NOAAWeatherRadio.org project as my first priority. Broadcastify attracts a different audience than a weather-related website does, so these are not necessarily cross purpose. NOAAWeatheradio.org can go FAR beyond what Broadcastify will offer us and it can represent the needs of the weather enthusiast much better, and I am certain this group will give it FAR more loving care than Weather Underground ever provided its streamers (could you even find the weather radio feeds on Weather Underground's dropdown menu?) But Broadcastify has a massive built-in audience and their feeds are also included in a large number of scanner apps. Getting the radio feed out to the largest possible audience is one of my personal goals, which is why I am willing to do both. I agree with you we are more "tolerated" on Broadcastify than welcomed with open arms, but it's a change in policy worth mentioning.

Having run websites since the early 1990s, I can assure you that the quality of the work that is possible within our group will attract much more attention, respect and support than some of the other options out there. But I'm not afraid or offended by those other options either, and I hope diversity of views and options can co-exist.
Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: 44085weather on February 27, 2017, 05:26:26 PM
I have RadioFeed from when i used to stream to RadioReference, already on my PC can anyone tell me how i would need to configure it?
Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: W3DRM on February 27, 2017, 05:35:42 PM
I'm sitting on the sidelines watching this concept of NOAA radio broadcasting evolve and can only think back to how another project started in Europe began with most likely similar ideas and concerns. To be specific, Blitzortung also evolved over many years into the world-wide community it has become today. And, interestingly, the same players along with many new ones are involved in both of them.

Mike (Cutty) has done an incredible job of getting the idea started, as have the many others who have joined the conversation with their ideas and suggestions. Just the volume of posts in this thread should tell all of us that this is one of those exploding ideas.

So, I would simply like to voice my suggestion that everyone keep moving forward and continue to work together to make this yet another great project that all of us can enjoy and participate in. Like Blitzortung that runs on its own without the need of connecting to a computer to function, I would think we would be much better off concentrating on a configuration that also is capable of receiving NOAA radio signals and connecting to a router for broadcast to a central collection point so everyone can access the broadcasts regardless of where they live. The key focus should be to create the simplest and least costly solution that allows those who want to broadcast their local NOAA information to do so more easily. To do that, we would have to collectively identify the necessary equipment so everyone could purchase and assemble it in a similar configuration. Once that basic configuration is agreed to, we could conceivably have enough buying power through a group purchase and thus reduce initial costs dramatically for all.
Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: 44085weather on February 27, 2017, 05:44:31 PM
I would think we would be much better off concentrating on a configuration that also is capable of receiving NOAA radio signals and connecting to a router for broadcast to a central collection point so everyone can access the broadcasts regardless of where they live. The key focus should be to create the simplest and least costly solution that allows those who want to broadcast their local NOAA information. To do that, we would have to collectively identify the necessary equipment so everyone could purchase and assemble it in a similar configuration. Once that basic configuration is agreed to, we could conceivably have enough buying power through a group purchase and thus reduce initial costs dramatically for all.

I think this a great idea.

 Also thanks to all those involved in making this happen.
Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: phillipdampier on February 27, 2017, 05:44:46 PM
Hi,

I'm unable to say which one would use the least resources. I'm using EdCast on an Intel Atom CPU based box, without any issues. This machine runs Windows 7 Pro, with Avast A/V, and Cumulus MX at the same time.

John

I use Edcast here. The only annoying thing about the one linked from Weather Underground was the third party link to a lousy LAME encoder that sounds awful on low bitrate streams (sounds watery/fluttery and reduces intelligibility). I found an alternate version of the LAME DLL that was generally used by international broadcasters streaming at a low bitrate that seems to be much clearer at 16kbps, mono, 22050Hz (mp3). If you use Edcast and don't like the sound quality, try renaming lame_enc.dll in the edcast directory lame_enc.old and download and substitute this version: http://phillipdampier.com/downloads/lame_enc.dll which should take effect after closing and restarting edcast. If it doesn't work well, you can delete it and rename the existing .old file back to .dll. No harm done.

I also found different radios have a lot of quality variability. The one I use is the Midland WR-300 S.A.M.E. Weather Alert All-Hazard Radio and I had to take some steps to disable the alerting functions to keep the sound active at all times with no reset post weather warnings or tests. A lot of feeds I've heard over the years sound terrible because the volume is set too low or too loud, the audio quality of the receiver is limited and poor and some have alert sound bleed-thru (so you hear the siren on the stream). The other mistake for low bitrate streams is setting it for stereo. I believe I found a mono patch cord between the audio out and the soundcard in so both channels were audible and edcast was set for mono.

Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: phillipdampier on February 27, 2017, 05:59:11 PM
So, I would simply like to voice my suggestion that everyone keep moving forward and continue to work together to make this yet another great project that all of us can enjoy and participate in. Like Blitzortung that runs on its own without the need of connecting to a computer to function, I would think we would be much better off concentrating on a configuration that also is capable of receiving NOAA radio signals and connecting to a router for broadcast to a central collection point so everyone can access the broadcasts regardless of where they live. The key focus should be to create the simplest and least costly solution that allows those who want to broadcast their local NOAA information. To do that, we would have to collectively identify the necessary equipment so everyone could purchase and assemble it in a similar configuration. Once that basic configuration is agreed to, we could conceivably have enough buying power through a group purchase and thus reduce initial costs dramatically for all.

I agree with this, especially to help us grow the number of streams and get better coverage around the country (and especially into places like Canada). I can tell you from experience the best way to manage this is to sell a pre-assembled package option that includes software and a VERY simple configuration procedure with step-by-step instructions, and preferably a link to a YouTube video (people will watch what they won't read).

TV stations group purchase weather radios all the time (I think Midland is a common partner) for giveaways, especially in tornado and hurricane-afflicted states, so some discounts should be accessible. The difference there is they need not be shipped. If we want consistency, then supplying the same hardware and software is a smart idea, even including bundling a weather radio for streaming if needed.

The technical challenge can be hard to overcome for some people without a simple process and I'd be happy to contribute some step-by-step documentation writing.

One thing that I've also noticed is some people just pull the plug on streams because they think nobody listens... until a major weather event hits their area or a long-established stream goes offline. After a decade of doing this, when mine drops (annoying Windows 10 auto reboots post-update most common reason), my phone starts ringing usually within an hour. Having five concurrent human listeners is a very strong number on ordinary weather days. But when a warning is issued, things spike fast. Understanding what to expect can temper outsized expectations and make people feel these streams are worthwhile even when they don't have a lot of listeners during bright, sunny days.

Those in Canada have been reluctant to provide streams because of the pervasive usage caps up there until alternative ISPs made it possible to ditch those. Also, low speed DSL can make it tough to justify sucking your upstream bandwidth when you are stuck with a 3Mbps downstream, 384kbps upstream connection. There are a lot of folks in states like West Virginia where this is a common reality.

At least folks may not realize feeding a 16k stream takes up a minuscule amount of their usage allowance. DSL data caps are more than generous to stream 24/7 and not run into a problem. An HD Netflix movie will usually consume more than a whole month of streaming.
Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: tim273 on February 27, 2017, 06:26:03 PM

Please use the following to get your stream uploading and playing (Broadwave, Icecast, Edcast, etc.). Chris of Crushed Box Software (http://crushedboxsoftware.com/) has graciously volunteered to upgrade a server to accommodate us who wish to broadcast.

Change Server IP to: wxradio.dyndns.org
Use Encoder Password: WxRadio2014

If you have any questions, please don't hesitate to ask.

John

Between Icecast or Broadwave which would you recommend that uses the least resources - network and CPU wise.?

Depends on what you're running.  I tested Icecast on a Raspberry Pi 3 and it was very manageable even with 250 listeners, CPU usage didn't go above 25%.
Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: Cutty Sark Sailor on February 28, 2017, 07:44:58 AM
Why don't you guys post that long coding as an attachment?
Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: tim273 on February 28, 2017, 08:45:37 AM
Why don't you guys post that long coding as an attachment?

I usually put it in the code block and it at least has a scroll bar so it condenses it down a little.
Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: Cutty Sark Sailor on February 28, 2017, 10:00:52 AM
Why don't you guys post that long coding as an attachment?

I usually put it in the code block and it at least has a scroll bar so it condenses it down a little.
Oh, yeah,... I noticed that. That's why I asked the question... "why don't you guys post that long coding as an attachment" ... so I guess the answer is "we just don't want to"...
Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: tim273 on February 28, 2017, 11:00:41 AM
Why don't you guys post that long coding as an attachment?

I usually put it in the code block and it at least has a scroll bar so it condenses it down a little.
Oh, yeah,... I noticed that. That's why I asked the question... "why don't you guys post that long coding as an attachment" ... so I guess the answer is "we just don't want to"...

I think it just nice to be able to see it rather than having to click on an attachment.
Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: 92merc on February 28, 2017, 12:39:52 PM
Tim, does your SMA pigtail go to some sort of antenna then?
Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: tim273 on February 28, 2017, 01:18:35 PM
Tim, does your SMA pigtail go to some sort of antenna then?

I also got this: https://www.amazon.com/DHT-Electronics-coaxial-adapter-female/dp/B00CVTRGIC and then I run a standard TV coax cable up into my attic.  From there I stripped of 17 1/4 inches of the outer shell and braid so that there's 17 1/4 inches of bare center coax wire.  17 1/4 inches is a 1/4 wave of 162.55 MHz which is my local frequency.  I mounted it upright into my attic and it works great.  Now if you want to be fancy you could build a 1/4 wave ground plane antenna or get a J Pole or something.

J Pole: http://www.jpole-antenna.com/shop/product-category/weather-band/
1/4 wave (you'd have to build that yourself): http://www.diylightanimation.com/wiki/images/0/01/DIY_Quarter_Wave_Antenna.pdf
Another resource for a 1/4 wave ground plane: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=17MjkpblLpE  this one is for 2M but will work for weather radio, otherwise you could shorten it just a bit.

If you go with one of the above, you'll need one of these:

https://www.amazon.com/DHT-Electronics-coaxial-adapter-female/dp/B00CVQP7CW

Hope that helps,
Tim
Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: 92merc on February 28, 2017, 02:23:06 PM
Thanks.  That should do.  If not, my brother is not only an electrical engineer, but a HAM radio operator as well.  We'll figure it out.
Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: tim273 on February 28, 2017, 02:28:04 PM
Thanks.  That should do.  If not, my brother is not only an electrical engineer, but a HAM radio operator as well.  We'll figure it out.

I'm a ham radio operator myself, so I've built a few antennas as well.
Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: WxWes on February 28, 2017, 03:19:35 PM
Hi all,

Wes from weatherUSA, here. Just came across this thread as we've had several requests over the last week to host NOAA Weather Radio feeds after the demise of the WU audio server... also kind of embarrassed that I've never created an account on WXForum until now, ha.

Over the weekend, we opened our Icecast server to public streaming, which can be used by signing up for a free account on our site and filling in your station details:
https://www.weatherusa.net/members/services/radio

That will automatically add you to our Icecast server with a separate password, and include your station on our broadcast list at the below link  (well, in the next few hours since we're in the middle of updating that page). This page has gotten a lot of traffic from search engines over the years but it looks horrible at the present time given that we deleted almost all of the existing links that were there previously. It'll be updated later today with a new, automatically updated list and an audio streaming widget/tool.
http://www.weatherusa.net/radio

Going back through the thread, it looks like you guys have already created some great solutions to replace the WU feeds. We'd like to help wherever possible... our streaming server is on a 100x100 fiber connection, and being Icecast we can relay to additional servers easily if/when demand calls for it. In addition, we want to list ALL NWR feeds out there on our site, not just ones that are streaming to us. If there's some way we can pull/share info with noaaweatherradio.org and display or link to that on our site, I think it's a win for everyone. We'll also accept submissions of existing station stream URLs for listing on the above page which includes direct links to the broadcaster's website, if given.

I understand that some are uncomfortable streaming to a "commercial" provider, especially because we plan to use the feeds in our mobile apps and make them playable on local forecast pages. On the other hand, reliability is important. We have the account requirement because it (1) allows us to contact people in case of an issue with their stream and/or updates to the service, and (2) we generate a random password for each user to protect against abuse - which could be a problem posting a generic streaming password on a public forum. NWR, being in the public domain, means we all can share and re-broadcast streams (Icecast makes that dead simple, too) in case people want to use their own servers but be able to handle the traffic on busy weather days. We're also happy to offer Premium subscriptions to our services for anyone who streams through us.

Just let me know how we can help.
Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: tim273 on February 28, 2017, 04:13:40 PM
Hi all,

Wes from weatherUSA, here. Just came across this thread as we've had several requests over the last week to host NOAA Weather Radio feeds after the demise of the WU audio server... also kind of embarrassed that I've never created an account on WXForum until now, ha.

Over the weekend, we opened our Icecast server to public streaming, which can be used by signing up for a free account on our site and filling in your station details:
https://www.weatherusa.net/members/services/radio

That will automatically add you to our Icecast server with a separate password, and include your station on our broadcast list at the below link  (well, in the next few hours since we're in the middle of updating that page). This page has gotten a lot of traffic from search engines over the years but it looks horrible at the present time given that we deleted almost all of the existing links that were there previously. It'll be updated later today with a new, automatically updated list and an audio streaming widget/tool.
http://www.weatherusa.net/radio

Going back through the thread, it looks like you guys have already created some great solutions to replace the WU feeds. We'd like to help wherever possible... our streaming server is on a 100x100 fiber connection, and being Icecast we can relay to additional servers easily if/when demand calls for it. In addition, we want to list ALL NWR feeds out there on our site, not just ones that are streaming to us. If there's some way we can pull/share info with noaaweatherradio.org and display or link to that on our site, I think it's a win for everyone. We'll also accept submissions of existing station stream URLs for listing on the above page which includes direct links to the broadcaster's website, if given.

I understand that some are uncomfortable streaming to a "commercial" provider, especially because we plan to use the feeds in our mobile apps and make them playable on local forecast pages. On the other hand, reliability is important. We have the account requirement because it (1) allows us to contact people in case of an issue with their stream and/or updates to the service, and (2) we generate a random password for each user to protect against abuse - which could be a problem posting a generic streaming password on a public forum. NWR, being in the public domain, means we all can share and re-broadcast streams (Icecast makes that dead simple, too) in case people want to use their own servers but be able to handle the traffic on busy weather days. We're also happy to offer Premium subscriptions to our services for anyone who streams through us.

Just let me know how we can help.

Just a quick question, if I have an Icecast server already, and wanted to have my stream on your side, would you do an Icecast relay or just manually add the stream?

http://icecast.org/docs/icecast-2.4.1/relaying.html
Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: 92merc on February 28, 2017, 04:24:30 PM
I wish I knew more programming.  I wonder if it would be possible to hack this device and turn an RPI into a receiver and endcoder.

http://www.aiwindustries.com/store/p9/Raspberry_Pi_B_%2F2_NWR_Receiver%2FSAME_Decoder.html
Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: tim273 on February 28, 2017, 04:33:25 PM
I wish I knew more programming.  I wonder if it would be possible to hack this device and turn an RPI into a receiver and endcoder.

http://www.aiwindustries.com/store/p9/Raspberry_Pi_B_%2F2_NWR_Receiver%2FSAME_Decoder.html

Maybe something like this?

https://github.com/cuppa-joe/dsame

Here's the source: http://www.rtl-sdr.com/new-eas-same-weather-alert-decoder/
Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: 92merc on February 28, 2017, 04:53:15 PM
If I understand the purpose of SAME, we probably wouldn't need that.  All we'd need is the radio transmission itself.  Not the message encoded in the signal.

That AIW board looks like it has audio outputs we probably wouldn't need.  No amps, etc.  Just a simple radio receiver to receive the signal.  Then some way for Darkice to tap into the incoming signal.
Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: tim273 on February 28, 2017, 05:00:45 PM
If I understand the purpose of SAME, we probably wouldn't need that.  All we'd need is the radio transmission itself.  Not the message encoded in the signal.

That AIW board looks like it has audio outputs we probably wouldn't need.  No amps, etc.  Just a simple radio receiver to receive the signal.  Then some way for Darkice to tap into the incoming signal.

I see what you are saying something to both stream and just be a plain radio to speakers?.  You don't need Darkice for that part radio part, but probably JACK audio () to route to multiple sound cards.  The Pi does have a sound output, it's got a composite video/stereo out jack (https://www.raspberrypi.org/documentation/configuration/audio-config.md).  So you could hook up a pair of computer speakers to it, but you would have to route the incoming signal to multiple sound cards, one being the default one for the speakers and the other being the loopback for streaming.  That's where JACK would come in as it supports routing to multiple sound cards: http://jackaudio.org/faq/multiple_devices.html

I'm not sure if ALSA loopback is considered a whole different sound card or not, so I'm not sure how it would work, but JACK should be able to do it.

Edit: Actually, now that I think about it, Darkice can use a JACK input so could route to both Darkice and the sound card from one input.  I don't know if JACK can use stdin or not.
Edit #2: You can pipe stdin to JACK: http://manpages.ubuntu.com/manpages/xenial/man1/jack-stdin.1.html
Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: WxWes on February 28, 2017, 05:02:32 PM

Just a quick question, if I have an Icecast server already, and wanted to have my stream on your side, would you do an Icecast relay or just manually add the stream?

http://icecast.org/docs/icecast-2.4.1/relaying.html

Yup, we could do either way... add your direct stream to our list/player, or if you wanted to keep people from using up all your bandwidth, I would just add an Icecast on-demand relay of your stream and it would only use 1 connection on your end anytime one or more people were listening to the stream.
Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: tim273 on February 28, 2017, 10:00:27 PM

Just a quick question, if I have an Icecast server already, and wanted to have my stream on your side, would you do an Icecast relay or just manually add the stream?

http://icecast.org/docs/icecast-2.4.1/relaying.html

Yup, we could do either way... add your direct stream to our list/player, or if you wanted to keep people from using up all your bandwidth, I would just add an Icecast on-demand relay of your stream and it would only use 1 connection on your end anytime one or more people were listening to the stream.

Ok, send me a PM and we can figure it out.  Thanks!
Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: Mark / Ohio on February 28, 2017, 11:35:03 PM
Hi all,

Wes from weatherUSA, here. .... kind of embarrassed that I've never created an account on WXForum until now, ha.

Well it's about time you joined us here neighbor!   :lol:  Welcome to the forum Wes!   :grin:
Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: Cutty Sark Sailor on February 28, 2017, 11:42:55 PM
This thread began about and is concerned with
NoaaWeatherRadio (http://noaaweatherradio.org)

This link, http://noaaweatherradio.org/howto.html
will tell you exactly the paradigms the site is currently operating with,
especially as it might relate to third party stream hosts.
We already have one established, and do not intend to deal with another.

Other discussions and proposals have nothing to do with what
this thread was originally established to discuss.
Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: 92merc on March 01, 2017, 09:05:37 AM
Hey Tim, do you know if anyone has attempted to use that USB adapter on a Windows machine?  Since I have existing Windows equipment I could use and not have to buy a PI, that USB adapter would be cheaper to implement than buying a Midland radio.
Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: 92merc on March 01, 2017, 09:28:45 AM
For SNG, I contacted AIW Industries about that HAT board for the PI.  Basically asking them if the tuner they sell could be used for streaming.  This was their response:

Dale,
Yes, you can use this board to stream audio either directly from an icecast server on a Raspberry Pi or via an external server such as weather underground had set up. You'll need to run the audio out the 3.5mm jack to a USB audio dongle or similar to digitize the audio for streaming.

If you run the server off of your own device you would need to port forward the server access port in order to access the stream external to your own network.

That's the benefit of using an external icecast host and using darkice on your end to send the feed to the external server. It could then be accessed by anyone with the address.

Richard Vogel
AIW Industries



So from what I'm reading, you'd still have to buy another USB audio device to perform the capture.  The SDR Tim posted earlier looks like a cheaper solution.
Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: mikev on March 01, 2017, 10:00:53 AM
Hey Tim, do you know if anyone has attempted to use that USB adapter on a Windows machine?  Since I have existing Windows equipment I could use and not have to buy a PI, that USB adapter would be cheaper to implement than buying a Midland radio.

Send me a PM... I'm using an RTL2832U-based software radio on a Windows laptop to provide my stream (Manassas alternate). Rather than clutter this thread up with discussion of getting a system set up (though maybe a topic in the Weather Radios forum might be good?), we can take it to PMs.
Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: saratogaWX on March 01, 2017, 10:35:51 AM
It would be great for tim273 and mikev to start separate topics with the detailed instructions to configure and use a SDR with a Raspberry Pi/icecast2/darkice and on a Windows system.  I know that there are instructions sprinkled in this thread, but it would be really helpful to start new threads with just those instructions in them so others can get their NOAA Weather Radio stream up and running.

Best regards,
Ken
Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: tim273 on March 01, 2017, 10:36:54 AM
It would be great for tim273 and mikev to start separate topics with the detailed instructions to configure and use a SDR with a Raspberry Pi/icecast2/darkice and on a Windows system.  I know that there are instructions sprinkled in this thread, but it would be really helpful to start new threads with just those instructions in them so others can get their NOAA Weather Radio stream up and running.

Best regards,
Ken

Yeah, there is a Raspberry Pi thread that I'll do that on.  I'm planning on starting from scratch with a Raspberry Pi so I can document all the steps.  Hopefully this weekend.
Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: Andy G on March 01, 2017, 10:39:47 AM
It would be great for tim273 and mikev to start separate topics with the detailed instructions to configure and use a SDR with a Raspberry Pi/icecast2/darkice and on a Windows system.  I know that there are instructions sprinkled in this thread, but it would be really helpful to start new threads with just those instructions in them so others can get their NOAA Weather Radio stream up and running.

Best regards,
Ken

+1
Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: 92merc on March 01, 2017, 11:24:59 AM
I PM'd Mike on it.  I'm totally willing to make up a Windows manual.  I just need to find out what to do on the SDR side.  It looks like Altcast was a newer version of Edcast.  So that would be my preference on what software to use.
Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: 44085weather on March 01, 2017, 05:31:10 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/xGN0bpg.png)

Can you tell me how to set this up to stream to you?
Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: satcop on March 01, 2017, 07:01:44 PM
Quote
   
    Change Server IP to: wxradio.dyndns.org
    Use Encoder Password: WxRadio2014
   
in addition.
In stream name give a name for the stream, such as NOAA Radio Cleveland KHB59 162.55 MHz

The port is 8000
The Mount should be descriptive it is also the end of the url that gets attached to, something like Cleveland.mp3 or 44085/Cleveland.mp3

Other than that you should be ok.

Bob

Oh and if you have a website you can put that in the Website URL

One other thing I see that you have it set for stereo, unless you are feeding both channels you may want to set it for mono, stereo can mess things up, found that one out myself.
Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: 44085weather on March 01, 2017, 07:54:32 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/0KG7zJf.png)

Still a no go. Any other ideas?
Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: satcop on March 01, 2017, 07:58:46 PM
try taking that / out of your mountpoint name. and give it a name other than stream, just a thought.

Never mind it came up another way a second ago but it appears you changed it.  Will look closer.

Only thing I can see at the moment is to double check your password, it is case sensitive.

Just thought of this, your firewall is blocking you is it?  You need to be able to connect to port 8000 outside.
Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: 44085weather on March 01, 2017, 08:09:56 PM
Only thing I can see at the moment is to double check your password, it is case sensitive.

Password is WxRadio2014

Just thought of this, your firewall is blocking you is it?  You need to be able to connect to port 8000 outside.

I can go to wxradio.dyndns.org:8000 in my browser.
Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: satcop on March 01, 2017, 08:16:28 PM
Firewall software is usually application specific.  You should go into whatever  firewall software you are using and check and see what it is letting you do.  Things default to port 80 which is the standard port, I had the issue with broadwave, it wouldn't work on port 88 until I told the firewall application that it was ok for broadwave to function on another port.  Your browser gets much more leeway with the firewall applications.
Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: 44085weather on March 01, 2017, 08:20:24 PM
I turned off windows firewall and allowed port 8000 out through my router. Not sure what else to try. I can connect to broadcastify with no issues. I just cannot get connected to wxradio.dyndns.org
Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: Cutty Sark Sailor on March 01, 2017, 10:44:21 PM
I turned off windows firewall and allowed port 8000 out through my router. Not sure what else to try. I can connect to broadcastify with no issues. I just cannot get connected to wxradio.dyndns.org

there's no issue on the server end... we just a few moments ago added one successfully...
Start over...maybe...
Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: saratogaWX on March 01, 2017, 11:10:38 PM
Maybe it's time to pick a different streaming uploader .. edcast is what I use, but it's not 'in print' any more.  Altacast seems to be it's replacement (just as edcast replaced oddcast).
Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: Cutty Sark Sailor on March 02, 2017, 12:28:14 AM
Maybe it's time to pick a different streaming uploader .. edcast is what I use, but it's not 'in print' any more.  Altacast seems to be it's replacement (just as edcast replaced oddcast).
I Agree.  I cannot get good action on any of the edcast clones.  However, about an hour ago I installed a fantastic free application... It's a lot of overkill for our purposes, but I'm impressed all to HADES and back, with extra change for Charon... and three treats for Cerebus...

If this seems to be operable for most of us, I will post files and links on the radio site... I don't want to distract folks at this point, so let me check it some more....

It may not always be active while testing, but go to http://noaaweatherradio.org
in the station player, scroll to last track :  "TEST from ADMIN"

Mike


It's possible that our youg person above isn't entering the Login correctly. Currently that is the 'default' Icecast Id, with the password he mentioned above. I won't list the 'login' id here... see Icecast docs.  He also may need to port forward 8000 in his router. ... not just 'enable' it.
Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: 92merc on March 02, 2017, 09:12:49 AM
This software was recommended by MikeV.  This is what he's using to encode his stream.

https://danielnoethen.de/

Broadcast using this tool  (BUTT)
Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: tim273 on March 02, 2017, 11:13:12 AM
Here's that official announcement:

http://help.wunderground.com/knowledgebase/articles/1143553-wu-feature-and-product-updates
Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: tim273 on March 02, 2017, 08:44:16 PM
Ok here it is, the Raspberry Pi guide.  If anyone tries it out, let me know if you have any problems and I can update it if need be.

http://www.wxforum.net/index.php?topic=31582
Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: saratogaWX on March 02, 2017, 09:28:14 PM
Thanks!  I'll give it a try tomorrow (new RPi3+SDR just arrived tonight).
Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: sacreyweather on March 03, 2017, 06:29:32 AM
Hi Folks,

Have a new page up using Google Maps and copy of Bob's(satcop) scripts.

John
Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: 44085weather on March 03, 2017, 07:30:28 AM
I turned off windows firewall and allowed port 8000 out through my router. Not sure what else to try. I can connect to broadcastify with no issues. I just cannot get connected to wxradio.dyndns.org

there's no issue on the server end... we just a few moments ago added one successfully...
Start over...maybe...

There was connectivity issues in our area due to the storms, now internet is completely down at the house, this may have been why I couldn't connect. As soon as internet is restored, I'll try again and should be good to go. Thank you all for the help.
Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: Cutty Sark Sailor on March 03, 2017, 08:20:14 AM
And..
...and who is going to be #50
at http://noaaweatherradio.org (http://noaaweatherradio.org)?

HowTo at at http://noaaweatherradio.org/howto.html (http://noaaweatherradio.org/howto.html)?

John S did a little quick audit... 2/3 of the entries are confirmed refugees from WunderWeenies...
Anybody done a rough search through the internet and seen how many pages this WU brain cloud has killed?
BUNCHES...
Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: Cutty Sark Sailor on March 03, 2017, 11:57:36 PM
And..
...and who is going to be #50
at http://noaaweatherradio.org (http://noaaweatherradio.org)?

HowTo at at http://noaaweatherradio.org/howto.html (http://noaaweatherradio.org/howto.html)?

John S did a little quick audit... 2/3 of the entries are confirmed refugees from WunderWeenies...
Anybody done a rough search through the internet and seen how many pages this WU brain cloud has killed?
BUNCHES...

Never mind the above...
...but who is going to be #52
at http://noaaweatherradio.org (http://noaaweatherradio.org)?


HowTo at at http://noaaweatherradio.org/howto.html (http://noaaweatherradio.org/howto.html)?
Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: satcop on March 04, 2017, 06:31:17 AM
There was likely even more as the index page didn't contain all of the streams, the sign up for it wasn't working for a very long time, but the streams were in the audioplayer area.  Anyway having fun keeping up, keep those sites coming. An update on my little project, it seems to be coming together for regular website and mobile version. regular website here (http://cliftonvaweather.com/wxnoaaradio.php) and mobile version here (http://cliftonvaweather.com/wxnoaaradio-test.php).  Probably time to start a new thread.
Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: Cutty Sark Sailor on March 04, 2017, 12:54:14 PM

up to 53 streams...  :grin:

Who'll be 54?
http://noaaweatherradio.org/howto.html
Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: Jumpin Joe on March 04, 2017, 01:12:28 PM
Dummy questions....

How do you get started?  Is there a script that has to be created and put on my site?

Thanks,

Joe
Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: Fox_Of_The_Wind on March 04, 2017, 01:29:05 PM
I was going to jump on this bandwagon also but I see someone else is streaming the station I have. So much for that. I will just sit back and watch this thread. :)
Alternate Streams are good! power outages, blown modems, ...  Jump In

Ok... added a bunch of 'new' streams... mostly courtesy of Chris shoutcast...
...have about 4 trying to track a freq and station on...

I also Updated Many previous links to Chris'  Shoutcast server links... WxRadio: that takes a load off your 'raw' connection', and perhaps improves the quality in some cases.

http://noaaweatherradio.org (http://noaaweatherradio.org)

I think this collaboration with Chris from CrushedBoxSoftware is going to work well..., and we owe him a big thanks.

Couple of notes on noaaweatherradio.org.  Haven't had a chance to update the little info blurbs.. bout time for "Gold Rush" anyway...
PWS SITE Links are indicated by
(http://noaaweatherradio.org/content/modern_skin_dark/buy-button-over.png)
1. NO links are provided for feeds which are generated by source that isn't either a 'weather oriented site' or otherwise 'commercial'
2. Non weather sites, or courtesy feeds from 'friends' are listed as 'courtesy' with no link
3. Stream Thumbnails: (so far)
Streams from wxRadio.dyndns (Chris)
(http://noaaweatherradio.org/content/thumbnails/NWR150cbs.png)  (http://noaaweatherradio.org/content/thumbnails/ECradio150cbs.png)

Streams direct from source PWS or other sources
(http://noaaweatherradio.org/content/thumbnails/NWR150.png)  (http://noaaweatherradio.org/content/thumbnails/ECradio150.png)

Mike

I been testing my icecast server and my internet connection just to see if its worth it. I want to make sure that I have a good connection and a worthwhile signal before I even post a link. But the testing is looking good.
Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: Cutty Sark Sailor on March 04, 2017, 02:09:04 PM
Dummy questions....

How do you get started?  Is there a script that has to be created and put on my site?

Thanks,

Joe
Hey Joe!
You need the weather radio, connected to computer audio, Pi, or some device to install some encoder that provides an MP3 Stream, and we need access to that stream... I've Broadwave, there is BUTT, there's the old defunct Edcast... set up your own Icecast, and other thingies... Lots of folks are 'pointing' their encoder stream to the 'donated' Icecast server: http://wxradio.dyndns.org:8000/ furnished by CHRIS at 'Crushed Box Software", with which we have a free non-financial, no advertising 'partnership'... all he gets out of it is the access to the stream for his inexpensive phone apps.
See how to:  http://noaaweatherradio.org/howto.html
which is by no means extensive, but more details will be added as we can... the 4 of us are right busy...

FOX set the thing at 16kbs, shoot us the access, and you won't even notice its running on network.  I'm running at 128kb test stream to WxRadio, then to the page, and it bother's noting noticeable... see the very last 'station' on the player....

Getting enough streams going now, that that player's 'search' feature sure is handy!

Also check these experimental 'things'... and give us some feedback...
Test Map on this test does not select stream:
http://noaaweatherradio.org/index_huh.html
Test WWA page updates about 1 minute (seeks at 20 seconds) and plays streams...
http://noaaweatherradio.org/ProbWWA-1.php

Also the Prob pages currently onboard..

Ain't this a hoot?

Mike


Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: Cutty Sark Sailor on March 04, 2017, 02:32:46 PM
Quickie hardware thought:

Mono to stereo adapter 3 fir $4.30
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0002EOHX0/ref=od_aui_detailpages00?ie=UTF8&psc=1
Stereo 1/8" cable  3 fir $8.99
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B018VVTMGW/ref=od_aui_detailpages00?ie=UTF8&psc=1
MidlandWR 300 $42.95
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00009V2YV/ref=od_aui_detailpages00?ie=UTF8&psc=1

Haven't tried BUTT
https://danielnoethen.de/
others, search Broadwave, EdCast Clones (which might even work for you)...
And a buncha folks rigging up PI systems... check thru the thread

I've got hold of an elaborate, free (overkill) broadcaster I'm playing with... excellent, with
some filters, equalization, visualization, much, much, more than we need for this...
but free, and dang cool and stable!
Ain't gonna reference it yet, but it is a Cadillac.. and free...and purty...
Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: saratogaWX on March 04, 2017, 05:10:13 PM
It's hard to trace the pedigree of oddcast->edcast->altacast but Altacast seems to be the latest incarnation

http://www.altacast.com/index.php/downloads/

I've not tried it as my old edcast is working just fine on Win10 :)
Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: Cutty Sark Sailor on March 04, 2017, 09:34:09 PM
I'm in the process of adding more info to "how to" page, including some links to the more prominently used software...
Got any to nominate besides AltaCast, Edcast, Broadwave, Icecast, ?
Not necessarily utilizing 'webcam' streamers which can also do audio at this point, later maybe as we grow.. too easy to lose my focus, and need to keep it sorta basic right now. Too many things goin'.

Also if Mike and all will give me a quick link(s) and data about the PI hook-ups I'll try to add them, also.
Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: sacreyweather on March 04, 2017, 09:36:01 PM
Hi Folks,

Have been doing some more auditing on the WU spreadsheet to see where we stand.

Out of 128 feeds, we have 43 on our project, with a possible 2 more we can add. I consider this an excellent start. Hopefully we can add more.

That leaves 83 feeds that are now DOA. Of those, 48 did not have a website listed, or no longer exist. The remaining 35 have websites, but with links to feeds still pointing to WU.

The 2 feeds I came across are:

NV   Fernley      WWG20   162.450   /Glendale2x/fernley.mp3   http://www.rollernet.us/wxradio
NV   Reno              WXK58   162.550   /Glendale2x/reno.mp3           http://www.rollernet.us/wxradio

I have added these to my radio page (https://sacrey.info/wxradio.php).

John
Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: cospringswx on March 04, 2017, 10:42:18 PM
Think I'll pass on the radio.
Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: Cutty Sark Sailor on March 05, 2017, 12:47:22 AM

Who'll be #56?


Updated the 'howto" page...
Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: Cutty Sark Sailor on March 05, 2017, 02:24:45 PM

Who'll be #56?


Updated the 'howto" page...

Who'll be #57?

Got a couple or 3 waiting in the wings tryin' to resolve some tech things...

Add list of common 'encoders', etc to howto page...
Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: Cutty Sark Sailor on March 05, 2017, 10:32:24 PM

3/5/2017
Added Sacreyweather's (Echo Vallley Weather) Coverage Map to page...
(http://noaaweatherradio.org/misc/covmapadd.jpg)

ahem...
Obviously there are some coverage lapses
 :-"
Tornado alley?  Hurricane Alley? High Plains? Mountains? "South?"
Canada? Alaska? well. no picture speaks no words...
Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: scottct1 on March 06, 2017, 11:42:58 AM
Not sure if you can use mine or not as I am using Shoutcast.  But here is mine.

http://vps.satelliteguys.us:9300/listen.pls

Which covers all of Connecticut for website http://www.mynewington.com
Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: Cutty Sark Sailor on March 06, 2017, 02:37:41 PM
Not sure if you can use mine or not as I am using Shoutcast.  But here is mine.

http://vps.satelliteguys.us:9300/listen.pls

Which covers all of Connecticut for website http://www.mynewington.com
can't use pls apple/wmp file... sorry. That's a playlist file, Need direct file link, MP3 ... see http://noaaweatherradio.org/howto.html for what we're seeking. If you've got direct link to file, we can probably access.  Also supply transmitter name, location, call letters, freq.
Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: mikev on March 06, 2017, 02:41:57 PM
Not sure if you can use mine or not as I am using Shoutcast.  But here is mine.

http://vps.satelliteguys.us:9300/listen.pls

Which covers all of Connecticut for website http://www.mynewington.com
can't use pls apple/wmp file... sorry. That's a playlist file, Need direct file link, MP3 ... see http://noaaweatherradio.org/howto.html for what we're seeking. If you've got direct link to file, we can probably access.  Also supply transmitter name, location, call letters, freq.
Save the .pls file and open it in notepad or another text editor... that should be the direct link/URL to use.

Pro tip: Icecast can also serve up a playlist (.m3u format) file too, just by adding .m3u to the end of the mount point URL. i.e. http://stream.mikev.com/khb36.mp3.m3u
Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: Cutty Sark Sailor on March 06, 2017, 02:53:18 PM
Not sure if you can use mine or not as I am using Shoutcast.  But here is mine.

http://vps.satelliteguys.us:9300/listen.pls

Which covers all of Connecticut for website http://www.mynewington.com
can't use pls apple/wmp file... sorry. That's a playlist file, Need direct file link, MP3 ... see http://noaaweatherradio.org/howto.html for what we're seeking. If you've got direct link to file, we can probably access.  Also supply transmitter name, location, call letters, freq.
Save the .pls file and open it in notepad or another text editor... that should be the direct link/URL to use.
At the risk of repeating myseld... can't cut PLS 9300/; file. Need MP3 Link. See howto for what we want.
Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: Cutty Sark Sailor on March 06, 2017, 05:11:21 PM
What-um-aye-bid fer position 58?
 =D&gt;
Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: Cutty Sark Sailor on March 08, 2017, 04:22:54 AM
What-um-aye-bid fer position 58?
 =D&gt;
And we have a 58.... do I hear 59?
Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: tim273 on March 08, 2017, 07:21:19 AM
What-um-aye-bid fer position 58?
 =D&gt;
And we have a 58.... do I hear 59?

I think you have mine listed twice, the Minneapolis ones.  The first is the one I gave you, the other one is from Broadcastify I think?  If that's where the other one is from, they are both coming from me.  That's fine, just letting you know.
Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: Cutty Sark Sailor on March 08, 2017, 07:51:01 AM
What-um-aye-bid fer position 58?
 =D&gt;
And we have a 58.... do I hear 59?

I think you have mine listed twice, the Minneapolis ones.  The first is the one I gave you, the other one is from Broadcastify I think?  If that's where the other one is from, they are both coming from me.  That's fine, just letting you know.
I suspected that... Probably just leave it for now.... Thanks, Tim...
Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: Cutty Sark Sailor on March 08, 2017, 08:07:39 AM
Yo
What-um-aye-bid fer position 58?
 =D&gt;
And we have a 58.... do I hear 59?
And 63 with a couple of alt feeds...
Who's gonna be  82 or 43 or 26 ???
Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: hankster on March 08, 2017, 04:29:10 PM
Yo
What-um-aye-bid fer position 58?
 =D&gt;
And we have a 58.... do I hear 59?
And 63 with a couple of alt feeds...
Who's gonna be  82 or 43 or 26 ???

or 10000002
Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: Jumpin Joe on March 08, 2017, 04:39:50 PM
I have connected my WR120 to my Weather PC via the Line In connection, installed AltaCast 1.1, downloaded lame3.99.5-64.

When I open Altacast, I can see the Peak Meter is sensing the signal from the WR120, however, I must keep the the radio on all the time, cannot mute the internal speaker of the radio. Is this what all of you are having to do or is there another radio that mutes the speaker when connected to the External Alert connection?

Next.... I have no idea what settings to use in AltaCast. Can anyone get me going on the settings? Then what to do next?

Thanks,

Joe
Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: Cutty Sark Sailor on March 08, 2017, 04:47:02 PM
If you're plugged into earphone out, it should mute the radio speaker????
Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: Jumpin Joe on March 08, 2017, 07:02:31 PM
If you're plugged into earphone out, it should mute the radio speaker????

This Midland WR120 does not have an Earphone jack only the External Alert jack... and it does not mute it.
Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: Jumpin Joe on March 08, 2017, 07:53:12 PM
If you're plugged into earphone out, it should mute the radio speaker????

This Midland WR120 does not have an Earphone jack only the External Alert jack... and it does not mute it.

I'll deal with the radio muting later.  Can anyone help me with the settings for AltaCast?
Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: Cutty Sark Sailor on March 08, 2017, 08:03:13 PM
Yo
What-um-aye-bid fer position 58?
 =D&gt;
And we have a 58.... do I hear 59?
And 63 with a couple of alt feeds...
Who's gonna be  82 or 43 or 26 ???

or 10000002
Blew right past it, Hankster....
Looking for number 66


Anybody using Alta Cast that can help Joe (see above posts)....
Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: Cutty Sark Sailor on March 09, 2017, 12:43:36 AM

Who's gonna be  82 or 43 or 26 ???

or 10000002
Blew right past it, Hankster....
Looking for number 66

Anybody using Alta Cast that can help Joe (see above posts)....
And Joe gets online at #66, in a dead heat with Nick up in Quebec near Montreal at #67 .. Our second Canadian EC stream!
(at least I think that's Jumpin' Joe streaming Covington KY 162.550... )

Anybody for #68    :?:
Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: Jumpin Joe on March 09, 2017, 06:39:00 AM

Who's gonna be  82 or 43 or 26 ???

It is, Mike!!!

Thanks to John, Sacreyweather. He came to the rescue again.

Thank you again, John!

Joe

or 10000002
Blew right past it, Hankster....
Looking for number 66

Anybody using Alta Cast that can help Joe (see above posts)....
And Joe gets online at #66, in a dead heat with Nick up in Quebec near Montreal at #67 .. Our second Canadian EC stream!
(at least I think that's Jumpin' Joe streaming Covington KY 162.550... )

Anybody for #68    :?:
Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: 92merc on March 09, 2017, 05:21:22 PM
This Midland WR120 does not have an Earphone jack only the External Alert jack... and it does not mute it.

Yeah, you needed the WR300.  It has an external jack.  I don't think that alert jack is for audio at all.  I think it may be some sort of trigger that only goes off for alerts.

With that radio, about your only hope would be to break it open and attach a set of wires to the speaker wires.  Turn it into an audio output.  You'd have to keep the audio levels low though.  To avoid distortion and other noise.
Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: 92merc on March 09, 2017, 05:25:08 PM
Connecting the External Alert Output to an External Device

You may need to turn on or turn off another device when an alert is
received. The WR-100 provides a switch closure to signal other
devices at the EXT. ALERT jack when the monitor receives an alert.
The output is compatible with home automation devices from suppliers
like X-10 and others. Connect the positive lead of the interface to the
tip of the 1/8 inch (3.5mm) phone plug and the negative lead to the body
of the plug.

A DC powered device using 12 Volts or less and requiring less than
200mA of current can be switched directly using the EXT. ALERT jack.
Observe the polarity of the jack so that the negative side of the external
power source is connected to the body of the 1/8 inch (3.5mm) phone
plug and the device is connected to the positive source and to the tip of
the phone plug.

The internal switch is closed when an alert is received. Pressing any
button on the front of the monitor will open the switch.
Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: Jumpin Joe on March 09, 2017, 06:37:14 PM
Connecting the External Alert Output to an External Device

You may need to turn on or turn off another device when an alert is
received. The WR-100 provides a switch closure to signal other
devices at the EXT. ALERT jack when the monitor receives an alert.
The output is compatible with home automation devices from suppliers
like X-10 and others. Connect the positive lead of the interface to the
tip of the 1/8 inch (3.5mm) phone plug and the negative lead to the body
of the plug.

A DC powered device using 12 Volts or less and requiring less than
200mA of current can be switched directly using the EXT. ALERT jack.
Observe the polarity of the jack so that the negative side of the external
power source is connected to the body of the 1/8 inch (3.5mm) phone
plug and the device is connected to the positive source and to the tip of
the phone plug.

The internal switch is closed when an alert is received. Pressing any
button on the front of the monitor will open the switch.

I did open it up and disconnected the speaker. Plugged a stereo audio cable into the
external alert port. Also put the unit in the weather broadcast mode and it seems to be streaming fine so far.... have to see what happens when and alert occurs. Ordered a Reecom 6150, got some input from John, SacreyWeather and compared the options for the settings and the Reecom won.

Thanks for replying.
Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: Cutty Sark Sailor on March 09, 2017, 09:31:45 PM


#68 out of Missouri just went live...

...who's next????
Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: tim273 on March 09, 2017, 09:55:32 PM
Ordered a Reecom 6150, got some input from John, SacreyWeather and compared the options for the settings and the Reecom won.

You won't be disappointed in the Reecom, I used that to stream my weather radio station to Weather Underground for years, it's a great little weather radio, and it's the only one I use now for all my other weather radios in the house. I have the 1630, but pretty much the same thing.
Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: Cutty Sark Sailor on March 10, 2017, 05:32:36 AM


#68 out of Missouri just went live...

...who's next????

Just blew past 69 ..
75 Streams   =D&gt;

Maybe save a life... Who's 76?

Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: 92merc on March 10, 2017, 09:39:00 AM
NoElect took their sweet time shipping my unit.  Was hoping to get mine up and running this weekend.  Guess not...
Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: Cutty Sark Sailor on March 11, 2017, 12:18:04 AM

Number 76 -- Maui Hawaii ...
If we can overcome latency and extended buffering issues.. he's trying!

Looking for 77   :-k
Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: Cutty Sark Sailor on March 11, 2017, 03:40:49 AM
OK.... OGG don't quite hack it for our approach.. we knew that before:

put a complete Edcast package up on the HowTo Page...
EdCast m3.1.21 (http://noaaweatherradio.org/Encoders/Edcast/EdCast.zip)
Complete with LAME dll's required for MP3 and  a short "How To'" Image series. :twisted:
Number 76 -- Maui Hawaii ...
If we can overcome latency and extended buffering issues.. he's trying!

Still Looking for 77   :-k
Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: sacreyweather on March 11, 2017, 09:01:17 AM
Hi Folks,

Have been doing some more auditing on the WU spreadsheet to see where we stand.

Out of 127 feeds (evidently I can't count  ](*,)), we now have 54 on our project.

That leaves 73 feeds that are now DOA. Of those, 43 did not have a website listed, or no longer exist. The remaining 30 have websites, but with links to feeds still pointing to the now defunct WU page.

John
Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: Cutty Sark Sailor on March 11, 2017, 11:59:26 PM
OK.... OGG don't quite hack it for our approach.. we knew that before:

put a complete Edcast package up on the HowTo Page...
EdCast m3.1.21 (http://noaaweatherradio.org/Encoders/Edcast/EdCast.zip)
Complete with LAME dll's required for MP3 and  a short "How To'" Image series. :twisted:
Number 76 -- Maui Hawaii ...
If we can overcome latency and extended buffering issues.. he's trying!

Still Looking for 77   :-k
Ok... tried Edcast on several machines,... could get no consistency out of the app... similar to my reasons for dumping it years ago..
I have a 'butt' install running on a newer WIN 10 low end..,.
this install worked fine, no issues, fairly simple...
however, stream had a lot of aliasing at 16 kbit,
which surprised me..
raised that to 32, solved that little irritator...

...running as last track on the player page,
download  'butt', and others,
at http://noaaweatherradio.org/howto.html
Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: tim273 on March 12, 2017, 12:15:50 AM
OK.... OGG don't quite hack it for our approach.. we knew that before:

put a complete Edcast package up on the HowTo Page...
EdCast m3.1.21 (http://noaaweatherradio.org/Encoders/Edcast/EdCast.zip)
Complete with LAME dll's required for MP3 and  a short "How To'" Image series. :twisted:
Number 76 -- Maui Hawaii ...
If we can overcome latency and extended buffering issues.. he's trying!

Still Looking for 77   :-k
Ok... tried Edcast on several machines,... could get no consistency out of the app... similar to my reasons for dumping it years ago..
I have a 'butt' install running on a newer WIN 10 low end..,.
this install worked fine, no issues, fairly simple...
however, stream had a lot of aliasing at 16 kbit,
which surprised me..
raised that to 32, solved that little irritator...

...running as last track on the player page,
download  'butt', and others,
at http://noaaweatherradio.org/howto.html

If you want you could add my how-to to your page for those who are feeling a bit more adventurous. \:D/

http://www.wxforum.net/index.php?topic=31582.0
Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: 92merc on March 12, 2017, 01:13:46 AM
With Tim's help, I got my PI up and running.  Is there a standard PHP for Saratoga?  I'd like to create something similar to the http://noaaweatherradio.org/ page player.  Just something that has my station at the top.  Or a drop to switch between my two stations in ND.
Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: Cutty Sark Sailor on March 12, 2017, 04:06:38 AM

If you want you could add my how-to to your page for those who are feeling a bit more adventurous. \:D/

http://www.wxforum.net/index.php?topic=31582.0
Oh yes, that's the plan!... probably on a second page... those of us on the project want to put that up!  We've just not had time... bad enough rounding up the lost sheep, and then finding some simple encoders for others,...
With Tim's help, I got my PI up and running.  Is there a standard PHP for Saratoga?  I'd like to create something similar to the http://noaaweatherradio.org/ page player.  Just something that has my station at the top.  Or a drop to switch between my two stations in ND.
Yes, satcop, couple of others, sacreyweather e.g. are working with a script that runs fantastic in Saratoga... I think it's about polished...
see it in action at
http://cliftonvaweather.com/wxnoaaradio.php
and
https://salineweather.com/wxradio
I think a couple of others have it testing...

Up to Ken if he wants to package it... but he's on the project team...
No reason it wouldn't work with Jachym's scripts, etc, either, that I know of..

Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: satcop on March 12, 2017, 07:41:52 AM
Latest version of the current script that I am working on.  It borrows from work that was done with some satellite and radar scripts done by gwwilk.  You can see it in action here:http://cliftonvaweather.com/wxnoaaradio.php (http://cliftonvaweather.com/wxnoaaradio.php).  The code has 3 files, the main script, a select script and an include script.  I have them available via ?sce=view.  Please note that the select and include files are constantly updating as we add stations, or if stations change their url, so you may need to download updates of those from time to time to keep up.

The main file can be downloaded  here  (http://cliftonvaweather.com/wxnoaaradio.php?sce=view) , the select file can be downloaded  here (https://cliftonvaweather.com/wxnoaaradio-select.php?sce=view) and the include file which really does all the work can be downloaded  here  (http://cliftonvaweather.com/inc-wxnoaaradio.php?sce=view) .  To have the code start on your area weather station change the default callsign on the main page and move the selected=selected on the select page to the station that is your area from the one Sterling site here in northern Va.

I am still tweaking the code, so no guarantees but for those of you who wish be my guest.

Bob
Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: sacreyweather on March 12, 2017, 09:14:48 AM
With Tim's help, I got my PI up and running.  Is there a standard PHP for Saratoga?  I'd like to create something similar to the http://noaaweatherradio.org/ page player.  Just something that has my station at the top.  Or a drop to switch between my two stations in ND.

Hi,

You can see my page here (https://sacrey.info/wxnoaaradio.php). I use a combination Goggle Maps and Bob's (satcop) player page he created with a caveat beneath the map for folks to listen at Mike's Place.

John

Edit:  This should run fine in the narrow Saratoga with a width change. Shouldn't be a big deal(I Would think).

Edit 2:  Mike, my NOAA webpage address is https://sacrey.info/wxnoaaradio.php. Once I got the dropdown working, with Bob's help, I was afraid to change it.

John
Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: Cutty Sark Sailor on March 12, 2017, 12:15:01 PM
Whew...
Ok... we got Maui Up with BUTT, and Randy's live on NWRORG...
Also got Dale up from Bismarck... brrr..
What a difference in forecasts!  ...drives my Sinuses crazy switching back and forth..
John, Bob, et al...
I'll get an corrected UL data on PM later today some time... I've made several minor Typo and data
corrections as we've trudged along with this...
I think we're at 77 streams total.. at last count with a handful pending...
...still haven't got a good stream from 44085WEATHER but he's got noisy signal streaming, at least,
so if He's still up later, I'll put it on the player anyway.
Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: Jumpin Joe on March 12, 2017, 12:21:26 PM
Hi Folks,

Have been doing some more auditing on the WU spreadsheet to see where we stand.

Out of 127 feeds (evidently I can't count  ](*,)), we now have 54 on our project.

That leaves 73 feeds that are now DOA. Of those, 43 did not have a website listed, or no longer exist. The remaining 30 have websites, but with links to feeds still pointing to the now defunct WU page.

John

Thanks for map, John!

Got it on the site and gave you a shout-out on it too.

Now to work on getting the broadcasting script and image link up and running.... that will have to wait a while. Today is family activities with the Grands.

Joe
Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: spweather on March 12, 2017, 01:08:20 PM
Bob,

Thanks for your work. I have you work up on my site SandPointWeather.com (http://www.sandpointweather.com/wxnoaaradio.php). I have a suggestion/request, I would prefer both characters in the state be in uppercase, what do others think?

Also, in the paragraph under the audio player and NOAA All Hazards logo, a possible typo...
Quote
...website owners and others though NOAAWEATHERRADIO.org, ...
Should though be through.

Thanks again.

Next, I would like to add John's Map.

Dennis
Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: gwwilk on March 12, 2017, 01:32:29 PM

Edit:  This should run fine in the narrow Saratoga with a width change. Shouldn't be a big deal(I Would think).

John
I've edited Bob's scripts to run in a Saratoga narrow template (http://gwwilkins.org/wxnoaaradio.php).  You can set the width using '$divWidth' in the main script's settings.  I have it set to 656.

You can get the main script here (http://gwwilkins.org/wxnoaaradio.php?sce=view), select script here (http://gwwilkins.org/wxnoaaradio-select.php?sce=view), and the includes script here (http://gwwilkins.org/inc-wxnoaaradio.php?sce=view).  I've also modified the includes script to state that I'm not contributing a feed, so you might want to change that.  Just search case sensitive for 'This website' to locate the text to modify.  I haven't placed this script in my menu because I'm waiting to receive suitable radio in order to also contribute a local feed.
Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: 92merc on March 12, 2017, 02:36:42 PM
Sweet!  Mine is up.

http://www.bismarckweather.net/wxnoaaradio.php

Now we just need to figure out how were going to handle the updates to those two include PHP files to show an accurate list of stations.  I know my station stream, so I could add it manually.  But I don't know the other station stream in my state.  So I couldn't add it.
Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: satcop on March 12, 2017, 02:39:55 PM
Thanks folks, I can make the state abbreviations all caps, if that is the consensus. Just have to go back and change the file.  Tried to get all the changes to make it saratoga narrow compatible, if I missed any let me know, I will update accordingly.  Also have one on my mobile site, but it uses a slightly modified cell-top.php.  I haven't got this one on ?sce=view yet but if anyone is interested and giving it a swing let me know via pm.

For updates, since I will leave those as ?sce=view you should be able to just download when you have the time, I will update them with the new info as soon as get to the file when  have a new set.  Just means you may be behind by a couple of days until you do the update.  Any ideas besides having the program reach out for those files remotely?

Bob
Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: Cutty Sark Sailor on March 12, 2017, 04:22:21 PM
Sweet!  Mine is up.

http://www.bismarckweather.net/wxnoaaradio.php

Now we just need to figure out how were going to handle the updates to those two include PHP files to show an accurate list of stations.  I know my station stream, so I could add it manually.  But I don't know the other station stream in my state.  So I couldn't add it.
Check PM from me... :twisted:
Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: satcop on March 12, 2017, 04:30:58 PM
Quote
But I don't know the other station stream in my state.  So I couldn't add it.
  The other stream from you state is in the current include and select update, and so is yours no need to add it manually, unless you are talking about another stream.
Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: Cutty Sark Sailor on March 12, 2017, 04:38:18 PM
78 streamers as of 4:00 pm EDT today

couple are still optimizing, couple still waiting in wings...
Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: Murry Conarroe on March 12, 2017, 04:42:17 PM
Thanks folks, I can make the state abbreviations all caps, if that is the consensus.
My preference would be all caps for the states. But you might want to consider adding that as an option to be selected in the script.
Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: Cutty Sark Sailor on March 12, 2017, 05:14:42 PM
Thanks folks, I can make the state abbreviations all caps, if that is the consensus.
My preference would be all caps for the states. But you might want to consider adding that as an option to be selected in the script.

Murray, got a link to your weather radio stream?
Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: Murry Conarroe on March 12, 2017, 05:25:31 PM
Thanks folks, I can make the state abbreviations all caps, if that is the consensus.
My preference would be all caps for the states. But you might want to consider adding that as an option to be selected in the script.

Murray, got a link to your weather radio stream?
I got a Midland WR300 radio a couple of days ago. But I can only get reception in one room or if I go outside.
I have ordered an external antenna to see if that helps.
Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: Jumpin Joe on March 12, 2017, 08:06:52 PM
Installed the scripts.... and have some errors.

www.joesweather.info/noaaradio.php

Can anyone tell me what I have messed up?

Thanks,

Joe
Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: satcop on March 12, 2017, 08:08:31 PM
Joe try downloading again.  Made some updates over the last few hours that might be helpfull, current version 170312.  I tried your link and can't access it. update: noticed that it was wrong url missing wx. 

Bob
Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: sacreyweather on March 12, 2017, 08:11:42 PM
Hi Folks,

Got my map (https://sacrey.info/wxnoaaradio.php) updated. Unless I have duplicated someone, I have 80 feeds, including the alternate feeds.

John
Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: saratogaWX on March 12, 2017, 08:17:10 PM
Installed the scripts.... and have some errors.

www.joesweather.info/noaaradio.php

Can anyone tell me what I have messed up?

Thanks,

Joe
Hard to say.. I'm getting 404-Not Found on that link  :???:
Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: satcop on March 12, 2017, 08:17:22 PM
   
Quote
Installed the scripts.... and have some errors.

www.joesweather.info/noaaradio.php

Can anyone tell me what I have messed up?

Thanks,

Joe

 
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Error: Bad value 100% for attribute width on element img: Expected a digit but saw % instead.

    From line 227, column 38; to line 227, column 103

     title=""><img src="joesbanner.jpg" width="100%" height="150" alt="index" />↩     

    Error: Stray end tag h1.

    From line 229, column 7; to line 229, column 11



    /a>↩      </h1>   ↩     <

    Warning: The border attribute is obsolete. Consider specifying img { border: 0; } in CSS instead.

    From line 691, column 44; to line 691, column 232

    com/e7pB"><img src="http://s06.flagcounter.com/count2/e7pB/bg_FFFFFF/txt_000000/border_CCCCCC/columns_2/maxflags_10/viewers_0/labels_1/pageviews_1/flags_1/percent_0/" alt="Free counters!" border="0"></a>↩↩ 

These are the errors that come back on validate.  Seems you cut off a header.  Also you dropped off a < in front of a <?php which is printing out as a ?php.  Probably at the top of one of the files.  It is the include file which has the missing <  It was supposed to be the very first character in the file, you probably dropped it on a cut and paste.

You left the wx off of the file name thus the 404

Hope this helps. 

Oh and you will want to move the select=select in the select file to your site from the Ne station in your copy of the select file.

Bob
Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: Jumpin Joe on March 12, 2017, 10:25:11 PM
   
Quote
Installed the scripts.... and have some errors.

www.joesweather.info/noaaradio.php

Can anyone tell me what I have messed up?

Thanks,

Joe

 
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Error: Bad value 100% for attribute width on element img: Expected a digit but saw % instead.

    From line 227, column 38; to line 227, column 103

     title=""><img src="joesbanner.jpg" width="100%" height="150" alt="index" />↩     

    Error: Stray end tag h1.

    From line 229, column 7; to line 229, column 11



    /a>↩      </h1>   ↩     <

    Warning: The border attribute is obsolete. Consider specifying img { border: 0; } in CSS instead.

    From line 691, column 44; to line 691, column 232

    com/e7pB"><img src="http://s06.flagcounter.com/count2/e7pB/bg_FFFFFF/txt_000000/border_CCCCCC/columns_2/maxflags_10/viewers_0/labels_1/pageviews_1/flags_1/percent_0/" alt="Free counters!" border="0"></a>↩↩ 

These are the errors that come back on validate.  Seems you cut off a header.  Also you dropped off a < in front of a <?php which is printing out as a ?php.  Probably at the top of one of the files.  It is the include file which has the missing <  It was supposed to be the very first character in the file, you probably dropped it on a cut and paste.

You left the wx off of the file name thus the 404

Hope this helps. 

Oh and you will want to move the select=select in the select file to your site from the Ne station in your copy of the select file.

Bob

Bob,
Correcting both of those errors appeared to have corrected it.

Thank you,

Joe
Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: Cutty Sark Sailor on March 13, 2017, 11:06:50 AM
Hi Folks,

Got my map (https://sacrey.info/wxnoaaradio.php) updated. Unless I have duplicated someone, I have 80 feeds, including the alternate feeds.

John
Crap!  If you've got 80, I must have accidentally deleted someone again... phooey...gotta recheck my main... only got 78 counting the 2 or 3 alternates...
sigh... now off to comparing lists again... rats.
Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: Cutty Sark Sailor on March 13, 2017, 12:50:27 PM
Hi Folks,

Got my map (https://sacrey.info/wxnoaaradio.php) updated. Unless I have duplicated someone, I have 80 feeds, including the alternate feeds.

John
Crap!  If you've got 80, I must have accidentally deleted someone again... phooey...gotta recheck my main... only got 78 counting the 2 or 3 alternates...
sigh... now off to comparing lists again... rats.
oK... FOUND the discrepancies...
briefly:
1. Tim asked me to hold off on his WXJ57 South Bend stream access ... waiting for him to update. So it's currently inactive, and not listed on NWRORG
2. Steve sending alternate Green Bay feed on a server I was having trouble accessing, removed for now.. that's the Green Bay KIG65 alternate from de Pere you have listed in your config... I'll go back and recheck that feed...

Always good to have alternates, folks... No Problem sticking an "extra" access connection or multiple stream sources...
Only drawback might be that it really loads John's map marker display, if he enters 'em all... at somepoint he may have to begin 'clustering' locations.. especially in upper Midwest! 

Mike


So at the moment, 78 active. but I think that's about to go up one or two...
Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: SteveFitz1 on March 13, 2017, 02:38:28 PM
I have a question regarding connections to my streaming server.

Currently I'm running Broadwave Audio Streaming - Free Edition. It's my understanding this is limited to 2 concurrent connections. If noaaweatherradio.org is connected to my Broadwave server and 3 people access my stream via noaaweatherradio.org, are these 3 users now trying to connect to me, or is noaaweatherradio.org simply rebroadcasting to each user so that only 1 connection is actually made to Broadwave on my system?

Just wondering if I need to upgrade my Broadwave in order to provide more than 2 connections.

Thanks,

Steve
Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: 92merc on March 13, 2017, 02:46:09 PM
Ideally what you should do is reconfigure Broadwave to "upload" its stream to the Crushed Box software site.  Then everyone that is listening will be streaming it off their server, and not yours.

That way you don't need to buy a full license.  And it won't eat any more bandwidth from your home network than the single stream that is uploading.
Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: Cutty Sark Sailor on March 13, 2017, 03:43:48 PM
I've not been able to determine how Broadwave can point to an Icecast.. it's designed as 'standalone'..accessed directly...it's its own server.. and works quite well in that mode.. maybe I'm missing something....


Steve, try the free M3W or butt encoders from the HowTo page http://noaaweatherradio.org/howto.html and point  to wxradio.dyndns.org
we'll pick up your feed and get it on the pages. The website actually will make as many connections as folks click.  Any connections other than 2, in your case, will probably result in 'no response', I don't know how that would work.  I've broadwave Pro, which has a higher limit, on my main feed, and have never noticed an issue, or had one reported to me..

I've made some additions, modifications on the howto page, Mostly in the Quality section...including external antenna suggestions.

In adding and testing stations, testing encoders, etc, I've discovered some things, learned some things, and revised some of my opinions an assumptions... resulting especially from some close work with some  newer streaming folks..

Notably:  There is a wide range of "volume" levels across the many stations,... might check my suggestions, and look at your settings...
stations with a lot of noise on reception might consider actually raising their bitrate to 32 or greater.  For sure, please try to send both channels, and peak volumes at -12 to -6 on average with your level indicators.... (your ears will fool you.. use the indicators)

Edcast is simply not producing, overall, consistent quality across the board, as some of the other encoders. Try the M3W, or butt... right now I think the M3W may have the edge... based on my local testing...that could change... but I definitely feel that edcast/oddsock users might consider changing encoders... .
Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: SteveFitz1 on March 13, 2017, 04:42:18 PM
I'll give M3W a shot. By the way, the link to M3W on the HowTo page is broken. It should be http://noaaweatherradio.org/Encoders/M3W/M3W.zip (http://noaaweatherradio.org/Encoders/M3W/M3W.zip) not m3w.zip.

Steve
Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: Cutty Sark Sailor on March 13, 2017, 05:00:11 PM
I'll give M3W a shot. By the way, the link to M3W on the HowTo page is broken. It should be http://noaaweatherradio.org/Encoders/M3W/M3W.zip (http://noaaweatherradio.org/Encoders/M3W/M3W.zip) not m3w.zip.

Steve
:oops:  Good catch... fixed.  Thanks...
bet it's not the only error, either,...

Mike
Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: Cutty Sark Sailor on March 13, 2017, 07:29:30 PM

...and...
We Have 81

82 down in Shreveport is tryin' hard...
Anybody want to nudge 'im out for that slot?

Reception poor?
try  :idea:
(http://noaaweatherradio.org/misc/ground plane300.png)

'build it' links under 'Quality'  on the [urlhttp://noaaweatherradio.org/howto.html]HowTo[/url] page

Mike
Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: satcop on March 13, 2017, 07:56:36 PM
With 81 streams you may want to update if it has been awhile (3 days), the latest version of the current script  you can see it in action here:http://cliftonvaweather.com/wxnoaaradio.php (http://cliftonvaweather.com/wxnoaaradio.php).  As a reminder the code has 3 files, the main script, a select script and an include script.  I have them available via ?sce=view.  Please note that the select and include files are constantly updating as we add stations, or if stations change their url, so you may need to download updates of those from time to time to keep up.

The main file can be downloaded  here  (http://cliftonvaweather.com/wxnoaaradio.php?sce=view) , the select file can be downloaded  here (https://cliftonvaweather.com/wxnoaaradio-select.php?sce=view) and the include file which really does all the work can be downloaded  here  (http://cliftonvaweather.com/inc-wxnoaaradio.php?sce=view) .  To have the code start on your area weather station change the default callsign on the main page and move the selected=selected on the select page to the station that is your area from the one Sterling site here in northern Va.

Quite a few tweaks as a result of suggestions from gwwilk  The current version as of this moment.... is 170313C

Bob
Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: tim273 on March 13, 2017, 08:02:15 PM

...and...
We Have 81

82 down in Shreveport is tryin' hard...
Anybody want to nudge 'im out for that slot?

Reception poor?
try  :idea:
(http://noaaweatherradio.org/misc/ground plane300.png)

'build it' links under 'Quality'  on the [urlhttp://noaaweatherradio.org/howto.html]HowTo[/url] page

Mike

Yep, those are pretty easy to build, I've built a few, you just need to know how to solder.  Just remember, if you are going to put it outside, you'll need to weather proof it, also you'll need some coax (like this: https://www.amazon.com/50ft-Rg8x-Pl259-Antenna-Cable/dp/B00D66RDYQ) and adapters based based on what you have for an antenna jack on your radio.

It helps to use PVC to mount it, I have one in my attic that I built using 10 gauge house wiring.  You'll need a good soldiering iron too.

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Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: Cutty Sark Sailor on March 14, 2017, 12:31:35 PM
And we have 82
Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: Cutty Sark Sailor on March 14, 2017, 01:07:25 PM

This just in:
NOAA has pulled the streaming page listing, removing all the WU deadwood =D&gt;
Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: saratogaWX on March 14, 2017, 05:00:03 PM
So have you let them (the NWS folks) know about the noaaweatherradio.org site?
Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: Cutty Sark Sailor on March 14, 2017, 07:14:51 PM
So have you let them (the NWS folks) know about the noaaweatherradio.org site?
Ahem.. no. Sitting on that for a bit. Studying on whether to do that or not right now.
Couple of contacts LMK know about the project, but that's all I've mentioned it to.
Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: Cutty Sark Sailor on March 14, 2017, 07:16:38 PM
Well, we dug Lincoln out of the snow...
#83

Who's gonna be 84?
Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: Cutty Sark Sailor on March 16, 2017, 10:38:39 PM
86 and counting!

Where are all the Gulf Coast Streams???
Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: heatcats on March 17, 2017, 04:26:58 AM
Hi everyone! I live in Moses Lake Washington. Some of you may recognize me by my YouTube username.

Anyway, I love what you guys have done here since Wunderground ended their streaming service. I thought I'd give it a try with streaming my local station.

Basic Station Info
Call Sign: WWF56
Location: Richland/Tri Cities, WA
Frequency: 162.450 MHz
WFO: Pendleton, OR
Counties: Adams, Benton, Franklin, Grant, Klickitat, Walla Walla and Yakima [WA]

Link to stream: http://wxradio.dyndns.org:8000/heatcats/WWF56.mp3.m3u

I am just testing it overnight, then I'll turn it off in the morning. I hope to begin streaming around the clock beginning Saturday, and fix any audio problems that I might have with the current stream.
Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: Cutty Sark Sailor on March 17, 2017, 06:26:55 AM
Hi everyone! I live in Moses Lake Washington. Some of you may recognize me by my YouTube username.

Anyway, I love what you guys have done here since Wunderground ended their streaming service. I thought I'd give it a try with streaming my local station.

Basic Station Info
Call Sign: WWF56
Location: Richland/Tri Cities, WA
Frequency: 162.450 MHz
WFO: Pendleton, OR
Counties: Adams, Benton, Franklin, Grant, Klickitat, Walla Walla and Yakima [WA]

Link to stream: http://wxradio.dyndns.org:8000/heatcats/WWF56.mp3.m3u

I am just testing it overnight, then I'll turn it off in the morning. I hope to begin streaming around the clock beginning Saturday, and fix any audio problems that I might have with the current stream.
Gotcha up on site 'temporarily' till you 'lock in'... sound good, a little noise, not bad!  Good.

Welcome aboard,....

I note you're letting the 'cat out of the bag' so to speak on  the 'encoder' I'm calling "EMD Overkill"..
( http://wxradio.dyndns.org:8000/noaaweatherradioorg )
How's it holding up for you? Neat package, huh?  Quite a lot for a simple 16-32 kHz stream for most of us...
do you thnk I should go ahead and 'expose' it for folks?

...also anticipate playing with a potential 'denoiser' that might be effective ... anybody want to "Beta"
test on their stream?  I've not had time to really 'play with" it yet, but looks promising in some situations...
PM me..


Mike..

So, Heatcats drives in at #87... Who's next?

...and where are the Gulf Coast, Caribbean stations?  Be hurricane season soon....
Spring thaw coming, Alaska, and you Environment Canada folks...
Tornado alley be heating up soon... Where is the Plains Bunch?
Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: 92merc on March 17, 2017, 12:11:23 PM
One thing I thought I would mention here is about the magnetic antenna's you may have.  Many HAM radio guys already know this, but the general public may not.

If you have one of the magnetic antennas like the one the SDR Raspberry PI solution has, you really need to mount it to a metal surface.  It will help in reception.  Just a small steel brownie pan or something larger.  Personally, I have good reception in my basement mechanical room.  So I was able to just stick it to my duct work.

This will only help for the magnetic type antenna's though.  Not the for the standard telescoping antennas found on regular NOAA radios.
Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: Andy G on March 17, 2017, 12:29:50 PM
One thing I thought I would mention here is about the magnetic antenna's you may have.  Many HAM radio guys already know this, but the general public may not.

If you have one of the magnetic antennas like the one the SDR Raspberry PI solution has, you really need to mount it to a metal surface.  It will help in reception.  Just a small steel brownie pan or something larger.  Personally, I have good reception in my basement mechanical room.  So I was able to just stick it to my duct work.

This will only help for the magnetic type antenna's though.  Not the for the standard telescoping antennas found on regular NOAA radios.

Thanks for the tip!
Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: tim273 on March 17, 2017, 12:33:02 PM
One thing I thought I would mention here is about the magnetic antenna's you may have.  Many HAM radio guys already know this, but the general public may not.

If you have one of the magnetic antennas like the one the SDR Raspberry PI solution has, you really need to mount it to a metal surface.  It will help in reception.  Just a small steel brownie pan or something larger.  Personally, I have good reception in my basement mechanical room.  So I was able to just stick it to my duct work.

This will only help for the magnetic type antenna's though.  Not the for the standard telescoping antennas found on regular NOAA radios.

That's actually more vital when you are transmitting as opposed to receiving.  It certainly doesn't hurt for receiving, but receiving is a lot more forgiving.  The metal surface is referred to as a ground plane and it helps "launch" the signal when you transmit as well as help with the standing wave ratio (SWR).  That's why the 1/4 ground plane antennas have the radials at a 45 degree angle to get the impedance close to 50 Ohms so you can get as close to a 1.0 SWR as possible.

For receiving (and transmitting) getting your antenna up high is the most important thing as VHF signals like weather radio are line of sight (not literal sight, but radio sight) and anything in the way that can block the signal (esp metal) will effect your reception.  By getting the the antenna high up you're more in the line of sight.  Of course in some cases, the signal is so strong it doesn't matter where you put your antenna, but if you're far away from the weather radio transmitter, get your antenna up high.

BTW, I have a ham radio license.  :grin:
Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: Cutty Sark Sailor on March 17, 2017, 05:42:52 PM

And the Sheriff of Anderson County SC adds #88
Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: Otis on March 17, 2017, 05:50:59 PM
 =D&gt;
Great job everyone.
Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO - Old WU page
Post by: sacreyweather on March 17, 2017, 09:40:25 PM
Hi Folks,

As of right now, 8:40 pm CDT, we have 55 feeds operating out of the 127 feeds listed on the WU Excel spreadsheet. That leaves 72 that are now DOA. Of those 72, 15 feeds have websites listed.

I say great job  \:D/ =D&gt; \:D/ =D&gt; to all involved in getting this project to this point.

John

Edit:  Evidently I can't do basic math while having the flu.
Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: Cutty Sark Sailor on March 18, 2017, 03:07:49 AM
...and now we are 89
Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: Cutty Sark Sailor on March 18, 2017, 11:28:48 AM
...and now we are 89
90
Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: Cutty Sark Sailor on March 18, 2017, 06:04:49 PM
...and now we are 89
90
91
Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: sacreyweather on March 18, 2017, 07:21:05 PM
Hi Folks,

Here is a current map based off of the old WU map with the latest streams. Of the 91 streams, there are 57 from the WU spreadsheet. I have had one other contact who is supposed to get with either myself or Mike later in the week. Still waiting on 6 replies.

(https://sacrey.info/images/us_lambert_800x600.png) (https://sacrey.info/wxradio.php)

WU, eat your heart out!!!!! :twisted:

John
Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: heatcats on March 18, 2017, 08:13:47 PM
Good afternoon,

I have started the WWF56 live stream, this time around-the-clock (or in other words, permanent). As long as everything goes well, I shouldn't have to take it off the air.

You may hear that the audio is significantly better in quality. The receiver is next room, outside of my interference, and a 7 metre (25 ft) long cord is used to connect.
Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: Cutty Sark Sailor on March 18, 2017, 08:54:19 PM
Good afternoon,

I have started the WWF56 live stream, this time around-the-clock (or in other words, permanent). As long as everything goes well, I shouldn't have to take it off the air.

You may hear that the audio is significantly better in quality. The receiver is next room, outside of my interference, and a 7 metre (25 ft) long cord is used to connect.
Something wrong with your feed name, mountpoint, something... can't access.
Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: heatcats on March 18, 2017, 09:20:37 PM
There were some issues that caused the broadcast software (Mixxx) to quit. It should be fixed now.
Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: Cutty Sark Sailor on March 18, 2017, 10:33:36 PM
There were some issues that caused the broadcast software (Mixxx) to quit. It should be fixed now.
Good. got you back up, left channel only... a bit of 'treble' reduction might be cool.
  I've been running MIXXX on one of the test streams, flawlessly, at 128kb over wireless on an older problematic Win7 machine... be interesting to know what the issues were. One 'tester' said MIXXX kept crashing on his XP.
Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: heatcats on March 18, 2017, 10:57:09 PM
I hear the 'treble' as well. I'll see what I can do.
Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: Cutty Sark Sailor on March 19, 2017, 06:31:03 PM
And we have
92
Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: Cutty Sark Sailor on March 19, 2017, 08:39:21 PM
And we have
92
93 =D&gt;
Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: satcop on March 20, 2017, 08:06:43 PM
Two versions of the software now available:
The fully loaded version

With over 90 streams you may want to update , the latest version of the current script  you can see it in action   here  (http://cliftonvaweather.com/wxnoaaradio.php).  As a reminder the code has 3 files, the main script, a select script and an include script.  I have them available via ?sce=view.  Please note that the select and include files are constantly updating as we add stations, or if stations change their url, so you may need to download updates of those from time to time to keep up.

The main file can be downloaded  here  (http://cliftonvaweather.com/wxnoaaradio.php?sce=view) , the select file can be downloaded  here (https://cliftonvaweather.com/wxnoaaradio-select.php?sce=view) and the include file which really does all the work can be downloaded  here  (http://cliftonvaweather.com/inc-wxnoaaradio.php?sce=view) .  To have the code start on your area weather station change the default callsign on the main page and move the selected=selected on the select page to the station that is your area from the one Sterling site here in northern Va.

The current version for the select and include files as of this moment.... is 170320A, the main file 170313C.

For those who only wish to stream their own stream there is the economy version.  This version has a user defined setup at the top of the page, it to is designed around the Saratoga template and it is one script rather than 3.  You can see it in action  here  (http://cliftonvaweather.com/wx-radio.php) and it can be downloaded  here  (http://cliftonvaweather.com/wx-radio.php?sce=view)

Bob
Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: Cutty Sark Sailor on March 20, 2017, 08:34:45 PM
And we have
92
93 =D&gt;

And-uh vun, and-uh two, and-uh 94 =D&gt;
Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: sacreyweather on March 20, 2017, 08:56:53 PM
Is Chris at CBS down, or is it my feed?

Plus, I can't connect to the Icecast server there, either.
Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: satcop on March 20, 2017, 09:01:15 PM
Things seem to be working including your feed.
Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: sacreyweather on March 20, 2017, 09:10:40 PM
Strange, but it's Monday. Could have been an AT&T thing, also. Who knows. Darn gremlins!!!
Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: Cutty Sark Sailor on March 21, 2017, 11:36:19 PM
And we have
92
93 =D&gt;

And-uh vun, and-uh two, and-uh 94 =D&gt;
...and Peoria makes 95 =D&gt;

 :oops:  er... 96
...welcome aboard Hankster... :twisted: =D&gt;
Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: hankster on March 21, 2017, 11:58:18 PM
Yea, that was an adventure! Had to update the sound card drivers to get everything to work.
Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: satcop on March 22, 2017, 09:05:37 AM

For those who only wish to stream their own stream there is the economy version.  This version has a user defined setup at the top of the page, it to is designed around the Saratoga template and it is one script rather than 3.  You can see it in action  here  (http://cliftonvaweather.com/wx-radio.php) and it can be downloaded  here  (http://cliftonvaweather.com/wx-radio.php?sce=view)

For those who downloaded the economy version, there was an annoying issue with the narrow Saratoga version that popped up.  If you previously downloaded that version please download again.

Bob
Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: heatcats on March 22, 2017, 01:00:03 PM
Is anyone else having issues connecting to the wxradio.dyndns.org server? It seems to me as if it's completely down.
Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: 92merc on March 22, 2017, 01:06:41 PM
Yep.  Me too.  I was just coming on her to post the same.  Tried it both from my work and home networks.
Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: Mark / Ohio on March 22, 2017, 01:24:25 PM
Yep, unable to send or receive from him at the moment.
Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: Cutty Sark Sailor on March 22, 2017, 02:13:57 PM
Haven't been notified from CHRIS of any issues, but this just cropped up in the last half hour
...Stand by.

Mike
Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: 92merc on March 22, 2017, 02:46:15 PM
Looks like it is back up.  I had to restart the Darkice service on my Raspberry PI.
Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: Cutty Sark Sailor on March 22, 2017, 03:03:07 PM
Yes... Some of the Encoders may now require a 'reconnect'... I think M3W will, not sure about some of the others as I had stopped the test streams... now, a good reason to leave 'em up!

Chris says connection issues resolved.

Mike
Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: hankster on March 22, 2017, 04:18:53 PM
How much bandwidth is the average being used uploading? I came home from work today and my stream had stopped but I see the server was down so that's the reason why. But M3W was showing my upload was 250M bytes (is that big B or small b?) in what was maybe 15 hours time. Does that sound right?
Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: Mark / Ohio on March 22, 2017, 08:50:08 PM
16Kb/sec. X 60 (sec.) = 960Kb/min.

960Kb/min X 60 (min.) = 57.6Mb/hr.

57.6 Mb/hr X 15 hours = 864Mb uploaded

Think I calculated that right..   :-k
Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: tim273 on March 22, 2017, 09:30:51 PM
16Kb/sec. X 60 (sec.) = 960Kb/min.

960Kb/min X 60 (min.) = 57.6Mb/hr.

57.6 Mb/hr X 15 hours = 864Mb uploaded

Think I calculated that right..   :-k

If it helps, this is how much I've used this month on my Linode box, at 64kbs:

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Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: hankster on March 22, 2017, 10:34:20 PM
Thanks for the info. It's showing my bitrate at around 32kbs so a rough estimate in my head shows this is about right.
Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: Mark / Ohio on March 22, 2017, 11:09:26 PM
I forgot to divide by 8 to convert the Mb (bits) to MB (bytes)   #-o 

So 32Kb/sec X 60 = 1.92Mb/min.

1.92Mb/min X 60 (min) = 115.2Mb/hr.

115.2Mb/hr. X 15 Hours = 1.728Gb/ 15hrs.

1.728Gbs / 8 (bits in a byte) = 216 MB/ 15hrs.

 UU

Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: 92merc on March 23, 2017, 11:41:24 AM
To whomever is in charge of of the list, could you do me a favor and correct the spelling of my city?  Bismarck has a C at the end of.  Named after Otto Von Bismarck. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Otto_von_Bismarck (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Otto_von_Bismarck)

Thanks.
Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: Cutty Sark Sailor on March 23, 2017, 01:49:53 PM
To whomever is in charge of of the list, could you do me a favor and correct the spelling of my city?  Bismarck has a C at the end of.  Named after Otto Von Bismarck. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Otto_von_Bismarck (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Otto_von_Bismarck)

Thanks.
I think John and Bob need to catch that on their scripts... far as I can tell Otto would be ok with the website itself...?
Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: 92merc on March 23, 2017, 02:10:27 PM
I'm half German myself.  So I'm sure it's OK.  :-)

danke
Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: sacreyweather on March 23, 2017, 02:21:33 PM
Got it corrected. Thanks for letting us know.
Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: Cutty Sark Sailor on March 23, 2017, 03:05:48 PM
I'm half German myself.  So I'm sure it's OK.  :-)

danke
The spouse of 46 yrs is ½ German, ½ Polish... never know which half I'm listening to... :twisted:
Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: satcop on March 23, 2017, 05:21:53 PM
To whomever is in charge of of the list, could you do me a favor and correct the spelling of my city?  Bismarck has a C at the end of.  Named after Otto Von Bismarck. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Otto_von_Bismarck (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Otto_von_Bismarck)

Thanks.

Sorry about that, taken care of.
Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: Cutty Sark Sailor on March 24, 2017, 04:29:22 AM
...could you do me a favor and correct the spelling of my city? 
Is anyone else having issues connecting to the wxradio.dyndns.org server? It seems to me as if it's completely down.
Next time, it'll be easier, and perhaps can act faster if this is used, in addition to posting here:
NEW: 03/23/2017: Contact Form (http://noaaweatherradio.org/addstream/addstream.html)
Submit or update a stream, comment, complain, etc
NEW: 03/22/2017:
LIVE MAP—U.S. Hazards with Streams (http://noaaweatherradio.org/ProbWWA.php)
At least for now, the "WWA" map will utilize 'selected' streams, not all, for 'clarity' and representation of areas...it's a developing concept, but we're calling it 'active'...
Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: tmabell on March 24, 2017, 11:14:20 AM
Still nothing from the Chicago area.  Inconceivable!  :shock:
Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: Cutty Sark Sailor on March 24, 2017, 11:32:10 AM
Still nothing from the Chicago area.  Inconceivable!  :shock:
At least some of the folk have Chicago surrounded  :lol:

...what's more amazing, to me, is the dearth of streams from Gulf-Coast and Hgh Plains!
There are SCADS of PWS sites, still running WU widgets, and apparently these folks are on permanent spring break in some cases.. amazing how folks haven't figure it out, yet. Or aren't even aware of it.  Some others are streaming non-friendly formats ... a few on some platforms like Streema that we won't even attempt to capture...
Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: floodcaster on March 24, 2017, 03:29:13 PM
Still nothing from the Chicago area.  Inconceivable!  :shock:

I've considered changing my stream from Odell, IL xmitter to Plano/Yorkville which serves some of the far west counties of the Chicago metro. For whatever reason the signal received here from Odell is not nearly as strong as about a year ago or so. I'm only about 30 miles or so from the Odell site and it's a 1000 watt xmitter, so not sure what happened. In any case, will leave things as is for the moment. Just ordered a mono to 2 channel splitter.

A special thanks to all those folks involved in this project!
Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: heatcats on March 25, 2017, 02:04:30 AM
Still nothing from the Chicago area.  Inconceivable!  :shock:

These two websites I found contain some weather radio streams not listed on noaaweatherradio.org.

http://alerteagle.alerteagle.com/ has live stream feeds for some stations in Illinois (including KWO39), Alabama, North Carolina, South Carolina, Virginia, Maryland, New Jersey, Pennsylvania and Florida. Some of the listings are not correct, such as the KZZ81 listing, which really broadcasts KWO39...or the WNG736 Washington DC listing, which really broadcasts KHB36 Manassas.

NWS Seattle has feeds for all of its weather radio transmitters except one (WZ2502) here: www.wrh.noaa.gov/sew/nwr1.php

Hope this helps with the filling in some of the gap areas.
Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: Cutty Sark Sailor on March 25, 2017, 09:04:38 AM
Excellent, Heatcats! UU
Good discoveries!...
Well be all over these and if we can grab them, we will!  This is what we need from folks in the community.

And I was just taking a breath with two days of no new additions, and catching up on the wwa and some other projects.,... right now the priorities are getting streams in place.

Great Job!
Mike


OOPS... forgot your Gold Star...
(http://ourspecial.net/NOAANET2/goldstar.png)...allright, for this you get two...
(http://ourspecial.net/NOAANET2/goldstar.png)
Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: Cutty Sark Sailor on March 25, 2017, 12:14:33 PM
Just blew by 100, thanks to Heatcats' research... takes a while to activate 'em, there are more coming!

Streams online as of Noon 03/25/2017:
1 0 4...since he put us over 100, he gets a third Gold Star...
(http://ourspecial.net/NOAANET2/goldstar.png)
...suck it up, Wunderground....take us offline, will ya?
Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: Otis on March 25, 2017, 01:15:28 PM
Great work guys.

Here is an old list I had, seems like some of the streams are covered by the new site but many(?) are not, worth a look.

http://www.weatherusa.net/radio (http://www.weatherusa.net/radio)
Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: Cutty Sark Sailor on March 25, 2017, 02:20:22 PM
Thanks Paul...
Yeah, several of those are streaming to NWRORG directly...

Here: http://noaaweatherradio.org/addstream/addstream.html
if anybody needs to add or suggest... John and Bob will also copy that, and this might also give them a heads up on updating the scripts they're providing.
Mike
Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: tmabell on March 25, 2017, 03:27:23 PM
Might be able to snatch a few more from the Chicago are here: http://weather.admin.niu.edu/liveaudio/ (http://weather.admin.niu.edu/liveaudio/)
Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: Helmsword on March 25, 2017, 04:41:16 PM
http://www.weather.gov/mlb/nwr

There's a link to an alternative Daytona Beach Weather Radio Stream along with a Weather Radio stream for Fort Pierce too, just a heads up.

Also, This is an excellent gadget you're working on too. Keep up the magnificent work!
Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: Cutty Sark Sailor on March 25, 2017, 04:58:11 PM
Might be able to snatch a few more from the Chicago are here: http://weather.admin.niu.edu/liveaudio/ (http://weather.admin.niu.edu/liveaudio/)
Unless they've changed formats, can't get em...

Ditto for feeds Florida... 
Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: Cutty Sark Sailor on March 25, 2017, 05:04:46 PM
Streams online as of Noon 03/25/2017:
1 0 4...
1 1 6 @ 5:00 pm EDT  \:D/
Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: Helmsword on March 25, 2017, 05:09:41 PM
Might be able to snatch a few more from the Chicago are here: http://weather.admin.niu.edu/liveaudio/ (http://weather.admin.niu.edu/liveaudio/)
Unless they've changed formats, can't get em...

Ditto for feeds Florida...
I've listened to both of them, to verify.

to clarify, both the daytona beach and fort pierce ones are working.
Melbourne's links to the wunderground one (Fatal Mistake for you to take down streams, Wunderground)
and there's not one in sight for Orlando.
Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: Cutty Sark Sailor on March 25, 2017, 05:17:08 PM
Might be able to snatch a few more from the Chicago are here: http://weather.admin.niu.edu/liveaudio/ (http://weather.admin.niu.edu/liveaudio/)
Unless they've changed formats, can't get em...

Ditto for feeds Florida...
I've listened to both of them, to verify.

to clarify, both the daytona beach and fort pierce ones are working.
Melbourne's links to the wunderground one (Fatal Mistake for you to take down streams, Wunderground)
and there's not one in sight for Orlando.
Again, if you can get them to MP3, show me..  We're only working MP3 since it's pretty much universal now, and shouldn't require plughins,...
Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: Cutty Sark Sailor on March 26, 2017, 07:41:21 AM
Streams online as of Noon 03/25/2017:
1 0 4...
1 1 6 @ 5:00 pm EDT  \:D/
1 1 7 @ 7:00 am EDT    8) Y'all doin' good!
Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: satcop on March 26, 2017, 10:12:41 AM
With something like 124 streams available, yes 124, it may be time to update your fully loaded version of the software.


Remember there are two versions of the software available:


For those of you who wish to be able to link to all of those streams from your site, there is the fully loaded version

The latest version of the current script  you can see it in action   here  (http://cliftonvaweather.com/wxnoaaradio.php).  As a reminder the code has 3 files, the main script, a select script and an include script.  I have them available via ?sce=view.  Please note that the select and include files are constantly updating as we add stations, or if stations change their url, so you may need to download updates of those from time to time to keep up.

The main file can be downloaded  here  (http://cliftonvaweather.com/wxnoaaradio.php?sce=view) , the select file can be downloaded  here (https://cliftonvaweather.com/wxnoaaradio-select.php?sce=view) and the include file which really does all the work can be downloaded  here  (http://cliftonvaweather.com/inc-wxnoaaradio.php?sce=view) .  To have the code start on your area weather station change the default callsign on the main page and move the selected=selected on the select page to the station that is your area from the one Sterling site here in northern Va.

The current version for the select and include files as of this moment.... is 170326A, the main file 170313C.

For those who only wish to stream their own stream there is the economy version, this one shouldn't require much maintenance as you aren't tracking all of those new streams.  This version has a operator defined setup at the top of the page, like its big brother it is designed around the Saratoga template and it is one script rather than 3.  You can see it in action  here  (http://cliftonvaweather.com/wx-radio.php) and it can be downloaded  here  (http://cliftonvaweather.com/wx-radio.php?sce=view)

Bob
Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: Cutty Sark Sailor on March 26, 2017, 10:48:12 AM
With something like 124 streams available, yes 124, it may be time to update your fully loaded version of the software.

Bob

Nope:  118 or 125 depending on Site vs Script availability.
(Manitoba Canada just signed in...)  :twisted:
Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: spweather on March 26, 2017, 10:55:26 AM
NEW: 03/22/2017:
LIVE MAP—U.S. Hazards with Streams (http://noaaweatherradio.org/ProbWWA.php)
At least for now, the "WWA" map will utilize 'selected' streams, not all, for 'clarity' and representation of areas...it's a developing concept, but we're calling it 'active'...

Hi, can you tell me what is meant by "'selected' streams"?

Dennis
Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: Cutty Sark Sailor on March 26, 2017, 11:12:27 AM
NEW: 03/22/2017:
LIVE MAP—U.S. Hazards with Streams (http://noaaweatherradio.org/ProbWWA.php)
At least for now, the "WWA" map will utilize 'selected' streams, not all, for 'clarity' and representation of areas...it's a developing concept, but we're calling it 'active'...

Hi, can you tell me what is meant by "'selected' streams"?

Dennis
Sure, as it stands now... selected streams are the ones I have time to add! And as time permits, I'm trying to sort of move across country... it takes me several minutes to set and position each one, and the priority is a bit lower than for the 'main' developments.
Seriously, this is about space available on the map...
first 'selection' will be PWS operators supplying best quality for an area... If there's a much better quality 'other' stream, it might be used, but the PWS stream would have to be pretty bad to be displaced... first opts will be the PWS community,. and others who have submitted streams to us...  2nd will be other sources.
There's no way, on that page, with the inherent NOAA 'base map' size, for all the feeds, especially in some of the dense areas, to be 'clickable'... the icons will be 3 or four deep!... so eventually it will settle out, I expect, similar to what I described.
Could change, but right now it doesn't look possible, feasible, or necessary for 'all streams' to be on this supplemental map page for its purpose.... and for now, we'll just have to see how it goes... May be able to get more on in some areas than it appears right now.
Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: ValentineWeather on March 26, 2017, 11:46:04 AM
I'm sending data somewhere with M3W but nothing showing on link as being broadcast.  #-o http://wxradio.dyndns.org:8000/valentineNE

Has anyone been successful with this software and windows 7?

Used Server IP to: wxradio.dyndns.org
Use Encoder Password: WxRadio2014

Changed from 64000 to 32000 on bites

Corrected link is minus .mp3, thanks
Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: satcop on March 26, 2017, 11:50:56 AM
When you set up the mountpoint you left off the .mp3   .  I can hear the stream if I connect to the URL
 http://wxradio.dyndns.org:8000/valentineNE

Do you want to leave it that way or do you want to add the .mp3 back in?  We can add you either way.
Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: ValentineWeather on March 26, 2017, 11:53:08 AM
Thanks do I need to change that ?
Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: satcop on March 26, 2017, 11:54:00 AM
Nope, 6 of one half dozen of the other.
Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: ValentineWeather on March 26, 2017, 11:56:38 AM
Thanks much, had me scratching my head..Now to add a link for website.
Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: satcop on March 26, 2017, 12:01:59 PM
Thanks much, had me scratching my head..Now to add a link for website.
  Glad you got another one up!

Thanks, if you could provide the info to this page if would help us putting this thing together greatly.

http://noaaweatherradio.org/addstream/addstream.html (http://noaaweatherradio.org/addstream/addstream.html)

Bob
Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: ValentineWeather on March 26, 2017, 12:17:51 PM
Thanks much, had me scratching my head..Now to add a link for website.
  Glad you got another one up!

Thanks, if you could provide the info to this page if would help us putting this thing together greatly.

http://noaaweatherradio.org/addstream/addstream.html (http://noaaweatherradio.org/addstream/addstream.html)

Bob
Filled out and submitted.
Thanks
Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: Cutty Sark Sailor on March 26, 2017, 12:25:15 PM
Thanks much, had me scratching my head..Now to add a link for website.
  Glad you got another one up!

Thanks, if you could provide the info to this page if would help us putting this thing together greatly.

http://noaaweatherradio.org/addstream/addstream.html (http://noaaweatherradio.org/addstream/addstream.html)

Bob
Filled out and submitted.
Thanks

And you're live on the stream player!
Mike
Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: ValentineWeather on March 26, 2017, 12:35:04 PM
 8-) cool. I'll probably add your webpage later.
Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: ValentineWeather on March 26, 2017, 12:56:33 PM
Thanks much, had me scratching my head..Now to add a link for website.
  Glad you got another one up!

Thanks, if you could provide the info to this page if would help us putting this thing together greatly.

http://noaaweatherradio.org/addstream/addstream.html (http://noaaweatherradio.org/addstream/addstream.html)

Bob

Bob I embedded stream link on my website. Not sure if this needs changed on signup page.  http://www.valentinenebraska.net/radio.php
Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: satcop on March 26, 2017, 01:02:21 PM
You need a player on the page to make it work, I see you are using a Saratoga script, if you just want to run your feed use this file:  here  (http://cliftonvaweather.com/wx-radio.php?sce=view).  You will see the stuff you need to change near the top of the file, you should be up and running in very short order.
Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: ValentineWeather on March 26, 2017, 01:57:27 PM
You need a player on the page to make it work, I see you are using a Saratoga script, if you just want to run your feed use this file:  here  (http://cliftonvaweather.com/wx-radio.php?sce=view).  You will see the stuff you need to change near the top of the file, you should be up and running in very short order.

Thanks, it was working with chrome and even IE but not with phone so changed over. Appreciate it, very nice.  =D&gt;
Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: Cutty Sark Sailor on March 26, 2017, 03:33:33 PM
When things shake out a bit, we'll probably post script packs on the NWEORG site...
they're changing so quickly right now, here's the best place to grab updates...I suppose....
...meantime, here's the single player code I use on my pages for my local WxRadio stream
(http://frankfortweather.us/listenB.png)
code page w/example audio ---attached---

Cheers!
Mike
Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: Mark / Ohio on March 26, 2017, 08:44:37 PM
First real test for my area and proof what we are doing here matters.   :grin:  This was a result of tornado warnings issued the neighboring county to my NW.

(https://s17.postimg.org/6rx610g9r/0326170830pm.png)

Each one of these listeners could have a family, employees, the list is endless, under their wing that would be less safe if they were unable to hear the local weather warnings and forecast via our radio streams.



Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: Cutty Sark Sailor on March 26, 2017, 11:08:04 PM
Each one of these listeners could have a family, employees, the list is endless, under their wing that would be less safe if they were unable to hear the local weather warnings and forecast via our radio streams.
Lemme see... just approximately.... Wx radio. $40. Audio Cable $3. Software Free? Computer you already had.
So, if a listener was worth $0.50, you paid for hardware, with a bit left over for operating expenses. Over a few hours period...
97 affected Lives / families / businesses etc???? ...  Priceless.  ...

Yep... thought about throwing a slogan up for several weeks... something like
"Maybe Save A Life"
You deserve a Gold Star, Mark.
(http://ourspecial.net/NOAANET2/goldstar.png)
Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: Jumpin Joe on March 27, 2017, 10:43:10 AM
NOAA Radio on my site is not broadcasting... says "Loading".

Looking at m3w appears all is well. 

Any thoughts?

Joe

Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: 92merc on March 27, 2017, 10:54:03 AM
Personally, when I'm in doubt, I look at this webpage to see if my stream is on there.  If not, then they aren't receiving you.  You'll probably need to restart your software.

http://wxradio.dyndns.org:8000/
Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: Jumpin Joe on March 27, 2017, 11:00:15 AM
Personally, when I'm in doubt, I look at this webpage to see if my stream is on there.  If not, then they aren't receiving you.  You'll probably need to restart your software.

http://wxradio.dyndns.org:8000/

Tried restarting before I posted. Did not correct it.
Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: codegod on March 27, 2017, 11:03:49 AM
Personally, when I'm in doubt, I look at this webpage to see if my stream is on there.  If not, then they aren't receiving you.  You'll probably need to restart your software.

http://wxradio.dyndns.org:8000/

Tried restarting before I posted. Did not correct it.

Hey Joe this is Chris from Crushed Box Software owner/operator of the wxradio.dyndns.org icecast server. Which feed are you providing?


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: ValentineWeather on March 27, 2017, 11:06:30 AM
Try to record short output file locally, play back and see if you get anything.

Also on my program if I closed and reopened everything in settings goes back to default so had to re-enter.
Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: Jumpin Joe on March 27, 2017, 11:34:16 AM
Personally, when I'm in doubt, I look at this webpage to see if my stream is on there.  If not, then they aren't receiving you.  You'll probably need to restart your software.

http://wxradio.dyndns.org:8000/

Tried restarting before I posted. Did not correct it.

Hey Joe this is Chris from Crushed Box Software owner/operator of the wxradio.dyndns.org icecast server. Which feed are you providing?


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

Covington,KY KIH42
Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: Jumpin Joe on March 27, 2017, 11:45:29 AM
Try to record short output file locally, play back and see if you get anything.

Also on my program if I closed and reopened everything in settings goes back to default so had to re-enter.

Just discovered the samething.... why arent the settings saved?
Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: ValentineWeather on March 27, 2017, 11:56:24 AM
Try to record short output file locally, play back and see if you get anything.

Also on my program if I closed and reopened everything in settings goes back to default so had to re-enter.

Just discovered the samething.... why arent the settings saved?

Not sure, I was thinking after initial save you may need to grab the saved file every time you reopen. Haven't tried it yet.
Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: Jumpin Joe on March 27, 2017, 12:02:45 PM
Try to record short output file locally, play back and see if you get anything.

Also on my program if I closed and reopened everything in settings goes back to default so had to re-enter.

Just discovered the samething.... why arent the settings saved?



Not sure, I was thinking after initial save you may need to grab the saved file every time you reopen. Haven't tried it yet.

I saved some screens shots of my settings this time so I won't have to tax the ole gray matter again.... I hope.  Hopefully they'll get me back up soon.
Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: 92merc on March 27, 2017, 12:03:22 PM
Are you running Windows 10?  If so, try opening the program by right clicking and choose "Run as Administrator".  Without admin rights, it may not keep the settings where you want.
Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: Jumpin Joe on March 27, 2017, 12:16:44 PM
Are you running Windows 10?  If so, try opening the program by right clicking and choose "Run as Administrator".  Without admin rights, it may not keep the settings where you want.

Thanks!  I did'nt know that.
Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: floodcaster on March 27, 2017, 12:18:14 PM
Try to record short output file locally, play back and see if you get anything.

Also on my program if I closed and reopened everything in settings goes back to default so had to re-enter.

Just discovered the samething.... why arent the settings saved?



Not sure, I was thinking after initial save you may need to grab the saved file every time you reopen. Haven't tried it yet.

I saved some screens shots of my settings this time so I won't have to tax the ole gray matter again.... I hope.  Hopefully they'll get me back up soon.

Same issue here. In my M3W dir I had a config file with "nwr name".m3w and a default file. I renamed the "nwrname".m3w to default and now loads with my settings. This is just a workaround as you'd have to do this whenever you made a change. There must be something I'm missing.
Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: W3DRM on March 27, 2017, 01:25:11 PM
Okay, I see there is already a feed for the Reno, NV area so I'm not going to try to get a duplicate station feed running myself.

However, I am attempting to get the template running as described by SATCOP - Bob, in reply #367 of this thread. I can get it running nicely after making the changes but I cannot get it to fire-off the audio stream automatically. I have to select another station and then go back to my default (selected) station for it to begin the broadcast. I'm obviously missing something but can't for the life of me figure out what it is. BTW, if I simply go back to the original code downloaded, the default station starts up without any manual intervention.

EDIT: I am running the following version of the code:
Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: satcop on March 27, 2017, 01:34:52 PM
In the main file you have a typo for the default station.  Change the KXK58 to WXK58 and that should clear the issue.
Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: W3DRM on March 27, 2017, 01:48:27 PM
In the main file you have a typo for the default station.  Change the KXK58 to WXK58 and that should clear the issue.

BINGO - that fixed it! Thanks for the quick reply. I knew it was something simple...
Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: Cutty Sark Sailor on March 27, 2017, 03:43:33 PM
RE: m3w

There are a couple of 'Gotchas' with M3W: 
Some of these also apply to other encoders, in similar fashion...
1. After setting it up, SAVE the config, 'File', 'Save as', (save where opens), default will probably be '1.m3w'.
Save it.
...after any restart, it SHOULD config itself to  saved setting...
BUT If you haven't configured 'options, startup'
2. You will have to start the 'server' again...
     A.  Click the 'play button' on the 'sound card'.
     B.  Click the 'Send' icon on 'Broadcast'.
OPTIONS START UP..
Tick ONLY
'Start Broadcasting' and 'Start Listening to Soundcard' Click
Save the file...

3.  Check your 'buffer' time... if too long you can get 'fooled' into thinking you're not working'. 5 Sec is plenty.
4.  Make sure the 'Private' box IS NOT Checked.
5. ,Make sure your 'bitrate' isn't too great.. 32 should be plenty.
6.  Use Joint stereo rather than 'stereo', unless the stream quality is 'worse'...
7.  It can take several seconds for it to show and be active on DynDns... depends on stuff outside your control.

My installs on Win 10s Volume display don't work, and show mixer won't work... other than that, no issues...
To set volume level, suggest getting active, use your 'ear' to set apparent volume level about the same as
the 'First Track' on the stations player at http://noaaweatherradio.org ... which is a 90%  level mp3 file
You MAY have to do that with the Win mixer, or the vol out of the radio, depending on your system.
Don't forget to save the M3W files.

Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: Jumpin Joe on March 27, 2017, 10:02:58 PM
RE: m3w

There are a couple of 'Gotchas' with M3W: 
Some of these also apply to other encoders, in similar fashion...
1. After setting it up, SAVE the config, 'File', 'Save as', (save where opens), default will probably be '1.m3w'.
Save it.
...after any restart, it SHOULD config itself to  saved setting...
BUT If you haven't configured 'options, startup'
2. You will have to start the 'server' again...
     A.  Click the 'play button' on the 'sound card'.
     B.  Click the 'Send' icon on 'Broadcast'.
OPTIONS START UP..
Tick ONLY
'Start Broadcasting' and 'Start Listening to Soundcard' Click
Save the file...

3.  Check your 'buffer' time... if too long you can get 'fooled' into thinking you're not working'. 5 Sec is plenty.
4.  Make sure the 'Private' box IS NOT Checked.
5. ,Make sure your 'bitrate' isn't too great.. 32 should be plenty.
6.  Use Joint stereo rather than 'stereo', unless the stream quality is 'worse'...
7.  It can take several seconds for it to show and be active on DynDns... depends on stuff outside your control.

My installs on Win 10s Volume display don't work, and show mixer won't work... other than that, no issues...
To set volume level, suggest getting active, use your 'ear' to set apparent volume level about the same as
the 'First Track' on the stations player at http://noaaweatherradio.org ... which is a 90%  level mp3 file
You MAY have to do that with the Win mixer, or the vol out of the radio, depending on your system.
Don't forget to save the M3W files.

Thank you, Mike!

Very helpful.

Joe
Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: saratogaWX on March 28, 2017, 11:42:24 AM
Just a heads-up.. The Monterey, CA feed (KEC49 166.55) went down yesterday afternoon.  I filed a NWR outage report, they responded that 'it's up'.
Nope.. called the NWS Office in Monterey and while on the phone, KEC49 came online as I was describing the problem.. go figure.

Anyway.. KEC49 feeds are back online this morning.
Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: heatcats on March 28, 2017, 02:21:17 PM
I saw that some of the Seattle feeds weren't compatible with the online player.

I went into the Inspect Element on Chrome and saw the non-compatible Seattle feeds were all .m3u, and I took one of the links and changed it to .mp3, tested it in another tab, and it worked with the HTML player instead of downloading a separate file.

For example: http://161.55.224.79:88/broadwave.m3u?src=1&rate=1 changes to http://161.55.224.79:88/broadwave.mp3?src=1&rate=1.

Is it possible a change to .mp3 from .m3u might make these feeds compatible with the online player, as the format for all the other working feeds is .mp3?

Also, just for your information, Forks (KXI27) is a repeater of and Neah Bay (KIH36).

Hopefully this helps!
Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: saratogaWX on March 28, 2017, 02:41:45 PM
I found this snippet in FWDRAP.js that might be inhibiting the display/play for .mp3?... type URLS
Code: [Select]
/\.(mp3)$/i.test(b) you could try changing that test to
Code: [Select]
/\.(mp3)/i.test(b) so the .mp3 doesn't have to be at the end of the string.. then maybe the player will pick it up with heatcats changes to the URLs..  Worth a try :)
Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: Cutty Sark Sailor on March 28, 2017, 03:01:01 PM
I found this snippet in FWDRAP.js that might be inhibiting the display/play for .mp3?... type URLS
Code: [Select]
/\.(mp3)$/i.test(b) you could try changing that test to
Code: [Select]
/\.(mp3)/i.test(b) so the .mp3 doesn't have to be at the end of the string.. then maybe the player will pick it up with heatcats changes to the URLs..  Worth a try :)
I will test it. I
Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: Cutty Sark Sailor on March 28, 2017, 03:22:37 PM
Didn't produce any great joy locally... in various combos of url....
Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: saratogaWX on March 28, 2017, 03:27:10 PM
I don't see the code change I suggested to FWDRAP.js .. it still shows
Code: [Select]
/\.(mp3)$/i.test(b) and it's that $ that may be causing it to not recognize .mp3 files with ?src=N after it...
Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: Cutty Sark Sailor on March 28, 2017, 06:34:07 PM
I don't see the code change I suggested to FWDRAP.js .. it still shows
Code: [Select]
/\.(mp3)$/i.test(b) and it's that $ that may be causing it to not recognize .mp3 files with ?src=N after it...
Power's been off here couple of hours... I didn't change it on server.... checked it locally. Your change knocked out electric to 5000 homes.  [-X    :grin:
,...sent you an email at Saratoga webmaster....
Mike
Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: saratogaWX on March 28, 2017, 07:10:43 PM
Dang, I knew JavaScript could be dangerous.. no idea that it could knock out your power  :shock:  :lol:  :lol:

Got your email, and have set up a small local testbed on my XAMPP development system.. I'll noodle about and see if I can convince it to offer those .mp3 streams too.

Thanks! (and hope your power comes back soon).
Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: floodcaster on March 29, 2017, 11:21:30 AM
I need to change the station I'm broadcasting from Odell IL to Plano, IL as the Odell signal is just too weak for a good broadcast. I'm getting a much stronger signal from KXI-58 Plano IL and the counties covered are nearly the same. Can I just keep the same mountpoint and change the description in M3W?

Thanks
Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: Cutty Sark Sailor on March 29, 2017, 11:40:30 AM
...been wantin' to try this, but haven't had time... also I've a very clear signal locally...
so didn't need it... but there are some who aren't that fortunate...
... dialing up a more distant transmitter,
I grabbed some stuff I had slowly oxidizing and collecting dust.
Slapped it together, and stuck it through some junk PVC to jam it in place
atop a pole lamp here in "The Cave"...

...after picking myself up off the floor,
I made a mod to the how to page (http://noaaweatherradio.org/howto.html)....

Hold on to your socks:
Here's a paraphrased version
— Quality starts with reception. If you've a lousy signal, adding a pretty store bought external add-on rod, or slip-rod, antenna accessory is probably a waste of money....
BUT — an external ¼ λ ground plane antenna can be dramatic — here's a quick and ugly:
(http://noaaweatherradio.org/misc/groundplane500.jpg)

(...any doubts, click here (http://noaaweatherradio.org/misc/groundplane20.mp3) and listen as the antenna is connected to the receiver)

 ...so, if you listened to that, put your socks back on, and think about it...  :twisted: 
Don't forget both left and right channels, and -12db to -6db average volume level is cool.... :lol:

Try it if you will, and if socks still in place, check underwear.

BTW... that's a 50' RG58 cable I had handy!
Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: floodcaster on March 29, 2017, 11:56:19 AM
I need to change the station I'm broadcasting from Odell IL to Plano, IL as the Odell signal is just too weak for a good broadcast. I'm getting a much stronger signal from KXI-58 Plano IL and the counties covered are nearly the same. Can I just keep the same mountpoint and change the description in M3W?

Thanks

update:
Made the change with same mountpoint and sent change notice via the contact form.
Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: tmabell on March 29, 2017, 12:59:35 PM
I made the change to Plano in my script but all I can hear from you is a hum.
Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: tim273 on March 29, 2017, 01:18:12 PM
...been wantin' to try this, but haven't had time... also I've a very clear signal locally...
so didn't need it... but there are some who aren't that fortunate...
... dialing up a more distant transmitter,
I grabbed some stuff I had slowly oxidizing and collecting dust.
Slapped it together, and stuck it through some junk PVC to jam it in place
atop a pole lamp here in "The Cave"...

...after picking myself up off the floor,
I made a mod to the how to page (http://noaaweatherradio.org/howto.html)....

Hold on to your socks:
Here's a paraphrased version
— Quality starts with reception. If you've a lousy signal, adding a pretty store bought external add-on rod, or slip-rod, antenna accessory is probably a waste of money....
BUT — an external ¼ λ ground plane antenna can be dramatic — here's a quick and ugly:
(http://noaaweatherradio.org/misc/groundplane500.jpg)

(...any doubts, click here (http://noaaweatherradio.org/misc/groundplane20.mp3) and listen as the antenna is connected to the receiver)

 ...so, if you listened to that, put your socks back on, and think about it...  :twisted: 
Don't forget both left and right channels, and -12db to -6db average volume level is cool.... :lol:

Try it if you will, and if socks still in place, check underwear.

BTW... that's a 50' RG58 cable I had handy!

Looks great!  If you are looking to mount it easily, get some 1" or 1.5" PVC with a cap, drill a hole in the cap that fits the BNC (or SO239) connector and then run the cord through the PVC and attach it from bottom side of the PVC cap and put the cap on the PVC pipe.   Then you can mount your PVC in your attic or wherever, but keep in mind it's not weather proof, any water will ruin it.  Weather proofing is a whole different beast.

You can also use 10 or 12 gauge copper house wiring, or just galvanized utility wire works too, but copper is a little easier to work with and solder.

One of these makes it easier: https://www.amazon.com/uxcell-SO-239-Female-Square-Connector/dp/B00BQK7OCU
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along with with these: https://www.menards.com/main/electrical/wiring-accessories/terminals-connectors/termination/16-14-gauge-insulated-ring-terminals-20-pcs-box/p-1444439931890-c-6447.htm?tid=7796594759492362546
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Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: Cutty Sark Sailor on March 30, 2017, 12:18:04 AM
120 streams of 03/29/2017!
Newest live stream from Stan up in Champaign IL..
Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: stanswx on March 30, 2017, 05:50:29 AM
10 streams of 03/29/2017!
Newest live stream from Stan up in Champaign IL..
Thanks for having me! Sorry it took so long to find my way over here. Really frustrated with WU for pulling the plug like they did.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: Cutty Sark Sailor on March 30, 2017, 09:15:33 AM
10 streams of 03/29/2017!
Newest live stream from Stan up in Champaign IL..
Thanks for having me! Sorry it took so long to find my way over here. Really frustrated with WU for pulling the plug like they did.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
Don't you do any apologizing!  We glad you're aboard. It's WU who owes chasers, PWS owners, countless websites, etc the apology. They've been messin with stuff since The Weenie Channel Buy Out and it's become worse since Big Blue Bought it. There's more frustration to come.. you watch...
Meantime, to my Horror... I typoed the total, which is hereby un-typoed to 120.
Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: sacreyweather on March 30, 2017, 10:02:50 AM
Welcome Stan!!!! 

With Stan being added to the stream map, we now have 67 out of the 127 feeds from the WU spreadsheet Ken created. I believe this puts us with 120 + feeds? (Mike has the exact number). At any rate, I consider this an outstanding job to all involved!!!!

Back on March 18th, I sent out 8 emails to various websites that had contact information and asked if they would like to join us. I heard back from 1(Shawn at FarmingtonWeather.info), although I can say 2 since Stan found us.

The list below contains the remaining websites that are listed in the WU spreadsheet:

http://www.foresthillweather.com/ - Contacted on 03/18/2017, no response. Player is Flash based.

http://www.thorntonweather.com/ - Contacted on 03/18/2017, no response. Player is Flash based and is still pointed to WU.

http://mypensacolaweather.com/ - No contact information I could find. NWR link is a direct download to your computer. Using Shoutcast.

http://www.tristate-weather.com/ - Is re-directed to their WU page.

http://weather.deqvi.net/ - No contact information I could find. NWR links are still pointed to WU.

http://www.auburnweatherlive.com/ - Contacted on 03/18/2017, no response. Player is Flash based.

http://etaggart.com/weather/ - Contacted on 03/18/2017, email bounced. No link to NWR player I could find.

http://www.loarc.com/ - Contacted on 03/18/2017, no response. No link to NWR player I could find.

http://www.encweather.com/ - No contact information I could find (Social Media contact). No link to NWR player I could find. Heavy graphic based site.

http://www.bobflagle.com/weather/usa.htm - No contact information I could find. No link to NWR player I could find.

http://dukedom-tn-weather.com/ - No contact information I could find. No link to NWR player I could find.

http://www.westfordweather.net/ - Contacted on 03/18/2017, no response. Player is Flash based.

John
Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: ValentineWeather on March 30, 2017, 10:32:22 AM
Is there a list of weather alert radios with the output (NOT INPUT) jack for plugging into computer sound card. This would help those that wanted to get involved know where to start hardware wise.

3 models I know that work are Midland WR-300, Reecom R-1650, R-1630. 

My setup for streaming: Using Win7 computer and M3W broadcast software.
Radio needs audio out jack, 3 models listed above do have. Most have a accessory in jack but not all have the audio out. 

Changes I made to default

Encoder bitrate changed to 32000
server: wxradio.dyndns.org
Password: WxRadio2014
Login type: Http
Mountpoint: your choice .mp3

Issue with saving settings.
Best to save as and give unique name like Broadcast. I saved on desktop and use icon it created at startup. 






Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: tim273 on March 30, 2017, 10:40:10 AM
Hi,

Everyone on here should reply to this post with their radio model make and number so this list can be compiled - I use the Midland 74-200.

Nick, dw7240.com

Not everyone uses an actual weather radio, I use an RTL SDR which is a USB dongle that receives radio signals, but in the past I used the Reecom 1630.
Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: Cutty Sark Sailor on March 30, 2017, 10:54:16 AM
Hi,

Everyone on here should reply to this post with their radio model make and number so this list can be compiled - I use the Midland 74-200.

Nick, dw7240.com



PLEASE!
Let's not clutter this thread with that!  Start another thread under hardware, or something!

It will be great to have that info, but let's not blow this thread away...
Mike

Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: DW7240 on March 30, 2017, 11:08:59 AM
Hi,

Sorry Mike, didn't mean to compromise this thread, have started a new one under Weather Radios - NOAA WEATHER HARDWARE.

Nick. dw7240.com
Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: Cutty Sark Sailor on March 30, 2017, 12:27:48 PM
Hi,

Sorry Mike, didn't mean to compromise this thread, have started a new one under Weather Radios - NOAA WEATHER HARDWARE.

Nick. dw7240.com

Aahh Nick... you didn't compromise it!  It's a great idea! And it'll be very interesting info..  I just envisioned a couple hundred short posts here...
As the data fills in on that thread, maybe we'll pull the info and add it in the website.  Go For it! Might also ask them if they're doing it live on their website, streaming, what encoder they're using also....
Mike
Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: Cutty Sark Sailor on March 30, 2017, 01:57:36 PM

NOAA takes us seriously:

03/27/2017: US Dept of Commerce, NOAA, NWS has just approved and authorized
 the use of the NOAA All Hazards Weather Radio logo  for Noaa Weather Radio ORG
=D&gt;
Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: Helmsword on March 30, 2017, 01:59:03 PM

NOAA takes us seriously:

03/27/2017: US Dept of Commerce, NOAA, NWS has just approved and authorized
 the use of the NOAA All Hazards Weather Radio logo  for Noaa Weather Radio ORG
=D&gt;

Awesome to hear.
Weather Underground have got to be slapping themselves silly right now as a result.
Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: tim273 on March 30, 2017, 02:00:41 PM

NOAA takes us seriously:

03/27/2017: US Dept of Commerce, NOAA, NWS has just approved and authorized
 the use of the NOAA All Hazards Weather Radio logo  for Noaa Weather Radio ORG
=D&gt;

Awesome to hear.
Weather Underground have got to be slapping themselves silly right now as a result.

Yes, very awesome!  It's not too often you get endorsed by the NWS!  Great job!
Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: Otis on March 30, 2017, 03:05:31 PM

NOAA takes us seriously:

03/27/2017: US Dept of Commerce, NOAA, NWS has just approved and authorized
 the use of the NOAA All Hazards Weather Radio logo  for Noaa Weather Radio ORG
=D&gt;

Outstanding, great work  =D&gt;
Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: saratogaWX on March 30, 2017, 03:56:20 PM
NWS Monterey (KEC49) has dropped carrier (again).  I've contacted the NWS Monterey about the issue.
Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: W3DRM on March 30, 2017, 04:23:48 PM

NOAA takes us seriously:

03/27/2017: US Dept of Commerce, NOAA, NWS has just approved and authorized
 the use of the NOAA All Hazards Weather Radio logo  for Noaa Weather Radio ORG
=D&gt;

Congratulations Mike et al - a job well done!  =D&gt;

I would suggest adding a roll-over on the NOAA logo that validates your usage of the logo. Something like a statement that NOAAWeatherRadio.org has received official permission/recognition to use the logo. It would help build credibility for what you and your contributors are doing.
Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: saratogaWX on March 30, 2017, 04:28:08 PM
NWS Monterey (KEC49) has dropped carrier (again).  I've contacted the NWS Monterey about the issue.
And, the call worked :)  KEC49 back on the air.
Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: W3DRM on March 30, 2017, 04:41:07 PM
Unless I missed it, I don't see any reference to the new NOAA RADIO HARDWARE thread that was started earlier today by DW7240. It will be the new reference to the actual hardware and configurations for us to set up our own NOAA streaming equipment that folks are using. The link to that new thread follows:
Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: stanswx on March 30, 2017, 04:44:32 PM
TuneIn is probably the biggest and most important third party streaming platform around. Their database is also used by other apps to point to various streams so if you have relaunched your stream, you will want to get your listing on TuneIn updated. Here is how:
Just wanted to let you know I contacted TuneIn per your instructions last night. I checked it this afternoon and the stream has been fixed! Thanks for the detailed instructions!

http://tunein.com/radio/NOAA-Weather-Radio-16255-s115016/
Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: ValentineWeather on March 30, 2017, 05:34:55 PM
Unless I missed it, I don't see any reference to the new NOAA RADIO HARDWARE thread that was started earlier today by DW7240. It will be the new reference to the actual hardware and configurations for us to set up our own NOAA streaming equipment that folks are using. The link to that new thread follows:
  • NOAA RADIO HARDWARE: https://www.wxforum.net/index.php?topic=31813.0 (https://www.wxforum.net/index.php?topic=31813.0)

After I looked closer it was a thread about receiving NOAA radio signal not streaming. So if someone wants to setup a NOAA streaming hardware thread its still optional.
Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: Cutty Sark Sailor on March 30, 2017, 08:41:56 PM
Wildwood Weather rides in from Decatur Tx

#1 2 1

Watch the page...http://noaaweatherradio.org --- shortly, we'll be showing an instant increase in NOAA WFO Audio of about 33%!
With More Sources under the desk, waiting to get sorted thru.
Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: floodcaster on March 31, 2017, 10:58:52 AM
Not an electronics kind of guy so pardon the stupid question,but I bought the mono to 2 channel splitter and when I plug it in to my wx radio (midland 74-200), the output stops to my PC line in. I checked the splitter by using it with a headset plugged directly into my wx radio and it works. I should mention that my Dell Optiplex wx PC is pretty long in the tooth. Any ideas why it doesn't work or am I missing something basic here?  Thanks.
Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: ValentineWeather on March 31, 2017, 11:12:37 AM
Not an electronics kind of guy so pardon the stupid question,but I bought the mono to 2 channel splitter and when I plug it in to my wx radio (midland 74-200), the output stops to my PC line in. I checked the splitter by using it with a headset plugged directly into my wx radio and it works. I should mention that my Dell Optiplex wx PC is pretty long in the tooth. Any ideas why it doesn't work or am I missing something basic here?  Thanks.

I'm not familiar using splitter. Did you have it working going into the red/pink mic in jack on PC prior to adding splitter would be the question I have. 

On the software I'm using I used the line-in option on connection from drop down list.
Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: tmabell on March 31, 2017, 11:14:53 AM
I'm trying to get on the same page in an attempt to help.  What we are talking about isn't "splitting" but "combining" the mono output from the radio into both stereo channels as they enter your PC's "line-in".  Is the "mono" plug at the radio end? If not it should be.  The "stereo" end of the audio cable then plugs into the pc.
Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: floodcaster on March 31, 2017, 11:20:26 AM
I'm trying to get on the same page in an attempt to help.  What we are talking about isn't "splitting" but "combining" the mono output from the radio into both stereo channels as they enter your PC's "line-in".  Is the "mono" plug at the radio end? If not it should be.  The "stereo" end of the audio cable then plugs into the pc.

Thanks. Yes, the plug converts the mono output to both stereo channels. I plugged it into my radio, and then plugged my cable that connects to my PC into it. So yes, it's connected at the radio end. Maybe there's another setting in my PC I need to adjust(?) after using the plug.
Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: tmabell on March 31, 2017, 11:25:21 AM
The only suggestion I have is to restart your streaming software after it is all connected.  I know that broadwave will get "stuck" if the input is removed and restored.
Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: floodcaster on March 31, 2017, 11:34:57 AM
Not an electronics kind of guy so pardon the stupid question,but I bought the mono to 2 channel splitter and when I plug it in to my wx radio (midland 74-200), the output stops to my PC line in. I checked the splitter by using it with a headset plugged directly into my wx radio and it works. I should mention that my Dell Optiplex wx PC is pretty long in the tooth. Any ideas why it doesn't work or am I missing something basic here?  Thanks.

I'm not familiar using splitter. Did you have it working going into the red/pink mic in jack on PC prior to adding splitter would be the question I have. 

On the software I'm using I used the line-in option on connection from drop down list.

Thanks Yes. Everything works fine before adding the adapter plug. I'm just trying to improve my broadcast by making it stereo. The minute I plug the adapter into my radio, it stops the line in feed. I need to try a few other things.
Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: Cutty Sark Sailor on March 31, 2017, 12:43:19 PM
I'm trying to get on the same page in an attempt to help.  What we are talking about isn't "splitting" but "combining" the mono output from the radio into both stereo channels as they enter your PC's "line-in".  Is the "mono" plug at the radio end? If not it should be.  The "stereo" end of the audio cable then plugs into the pc.
Not to 'split' hairs here.. but you are technically in error.  We want to 'Split" a single channel into 2 channels. You 'combine' multiple elements into one. You 'split' a source into multiple. The device itself may be referred to as a 'combiner' or a 'splitter', depending on which way it is connected.  Multiple in and single out, as a combiner, single in to multiple out, as a splitter.  Now we'll be on the same page. Also, My Broadwave installs DO NOT 'forget', if the source goes away. Go Figure.??

FLOOD CASTER...
You may simply have a defective 'splitter'. Just bad.  but, then again, I had one appeared to be defective., but simply the 'molding' of the mono plug didn't allow the plug to fully engage into the Mono jack output of the radio. took care of that with a knife.
2nd make sure its a 'mono' plug.. a 'stereo' plug may not make contact. It's possible to err and get a 'stereo' to 'stereo' adapter, mistaking it for a 'mono' to stereo splitter / combiner. I've done it, lack of attention of old brain cells.

Make sure it's the right size... the earphone jack may be  1/8 inch, while your plug adapter may actually be 3mm, that's just a hair smaller, and may not be making contact... especially if the jack has been used previously with the English size. It's also possible that an original 3mm jack has been 'stretched' by using a 1/8 in plug previously ...
I've been down the road fighting with all these variable mechanical issues.
NOW, something similar may have occurred on the PC end, if you've the plug inputs on the PC.. 3mm trying to fit 1/8 inch stretched! Or attempting to plug a 'mono' into a stereo jack!

Use the LINE IN on pc if possible, rather than MIC...

Mike



Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: tmabell on March 31, 2017, 01:12:17 PM
Correction noted with my apologies.  Regarding the problem at hand, no matter what software is being utilized it can never hurt to restart the software as one troubleshooting technique.  It is actually a good place to start.  That said, my Broadwave installation will get stuck if the input is disturbed for more than a few minutes (or at least is did when I made a similar change in my hardware.)
Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: floodcaster on March 31, 2017, 01:45:24 PM
Thanks for all the suggestions and advice. Just to rule out the problem wasn't my venerable old Dell PC I did a test with a laptop with the same results, line in feed to the laptop stopped once the adapter is connected to my wx radio. So it appears to be an issue with the plug/adapter, I'm going to get a new one.
Title: UPS on How-To Page
Post by: tim273 on March 31, 2017, 04:35:40 PM
Just a suggestion for the How-To page on http://noaaweatherradio.org, add a section about getting a UPS (Uninterruptible Power Supply).  Since people listen to these streams the most when there's severe weather that's also the most likely time there could be a power outage.  If you happen to be the one with the power outage, people can't listen to your stream.  I mention it on my Raspberry Pi page in the second part (reply 4 I think).

Here's some examples: https://www.amazon.com/s?ie=UTF8&field-keywords=ups Depending on what you're running for a computer, and how big of a UPS you get, it will give you 20 minutes to a couple hours.

I got this one about a month ago: https://www.samsclub.com/sams/1350-battery-backup/prod8410081.ip
Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: ValentineWeather on March 31, 2017, 04:52:06 PM
I hope people aren't relying on our streams but actually have their own weather radios.

Unfortunately I'm finding after moving to tornado country people don't use their radios but rely on city siren because radio wakes them in middle of night with tornadoes 100+ miles away. Big problem for Cherry county having such a big SAME area . 
Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: Cutty Sark Sailor on March 31, 2017, 07:39:23 PM
Just a suggestion for the How-To page on http://noaaweatherradio.org, add a section about getting a UPS (Uninterruptible Power Supply).  Since people listen to these streams the most when there's severe weather that's also the most likely time there could be a power outage.  If you happen to be the one with the power outage, people can't listen to your stream.  I mention it on my Raspberry Pi page in the second part (reply 4 I think).

Here's some examples: https://www.amazon.com/s?ie=UTF8&field-keywords=ups Depending on what you're running for a computer, and how big of a UPS you get, it will give you 20 minutes to a couple hours.

I got this one about a month ago: https://www.samsclub.com/sams/1350-battery-backup/prod8410081.ip
Good point Tim..
additionally, we on the project have a built in fallback, ... lots of 'duplicates'... all the duplicate streams from different sources that we can get on site!
Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: Cutty Sark Sailor on April 01, 2017, 10:40:14 PM
#1 2 2
just now live from STWC Corpus Christi...

beginning to get a few submissions from Gulf Coast areas.. maybe get it covered by Hurricane season start June 1...

Now, Where are all the Tornado Alley streams?  High Plains?
Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: Cutty Sark Sailor on April 02, 2017, 08:26:40 AM
#1 2 2
just now live from STWC Corpus Christi...

beginning to get a few submissions from Gulf Coast areas.. maybe get it covered by Hurricane season start June 1...

Now, Where are all the Tornado Alley streams?  High Plains?
1 32  as of the moment...
Kinda 'cheated' a bit... expanded Florida with direct audio file access from WFO Miami / South Florida.... improves our 'audio' coverage down there...
Working these sources up, makes my eyeballs cross...
and I'd swear that, after awhile, all the dang announcers start to sound alike....



Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: gwwilk on April 02, 2017, 08:55:41 AM
...and I'd swear that, after awhile, all the dang announcers start to sound alike....



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I suspect that they almost all use the same pre-recorded voice snippets appropriately stitched together, and nobody's really home. :-)  That's what it sounds like to me anyway.
Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: Cutty Sark Sailor on April 02, 2017, 10:44:33 AM
Naw, they wouldn't do that...surely.
Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: Cutty Sark Sailor on April 02, 2017, 05:29:32 PM
#1 2 2
just now live from STWC Corpus Christi...

beginning to get a few submissions from Gulf Coast areas.. maybe get it covered by Hurricane season start June 1...

Now, Where are all the Tornado Alley streams?  High Plains?
1 32  as of the moment...
Kinda 'cheated' a bit... expanded Florida with direct audio file access from WFO Miami / South Florida.... improves our 'audio' coverage down there...
Working these sources up, makes my eyeballs cross...
and I'd swear that, after awhile, all the dang announcers start to sound alike....




1 4 6
... threw in 14 WFO Norman experimental direct access audio file forecasts... helps out in Tornado Alley some for now... maybe oughta rename it 'Earthquake Alley"?
Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: heatcats on April 02, 2017, 08:08:46 PM
I went through the direct audio files listed on the site, and there's quite a few files that are outdated, particularly those from WFO Norman.

I listened to the Hazardous Weather Outlook, and it doesn't match the one currently in effect, and all the forecast files are outdated. In addition, the WFO Norman files are read with Tom, the voice used on NWR until late last year. Any direct audio files being read by Tom should be considered outdated, as just about every forecast office has switched to the new system with the new voice (Paul).



Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: hankster on April 02, 2017, 09:48:59 PM
Would it be possible at some point, to have a feature that would email us if our stream went down? Maybe like if it off line for 15 minutes or more it would email us to let us know so we can fix it.
Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: tim273 on April 02, 2017, 09:54:46 PM
Would it be possible at some point, to have a feature that would email us if our stream went down? Maybe like if it off line for 15 minutes or more it would email us to let us know so we can fix it.

I have a script to do exactly that set up.  Here's the details on the third 'optional' section: http://www.wxforum.net/index.php?topic=31582.0#subject_317523
Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: Cutty Sark Sailor on April 03, 2017, 11:07:51 AM
I went through the direct audio files listed on the site, and there's quite a few files that are outdated, particularly those from WFO Norman.

I listened to the Hazardous Weather Outlook, and it doesn't match the one currently in effect, and all the forecast files are outdated. In addition, the WFO Norman files are read with Tom, the voice used on NWR until late last year. Any direct audio files being read by Tom should be considered outdated, as just about every forecast office has switched to the new system with the new voice (Paul).




You're correct... those "experimentals" from Norman are currently not valid... and coded 'experimental'..  I will comment them out, after they run awhile... I put Norman and Miami up precisely to elicit feedback such as you gave...

there are several WFOs experimenting with this, and a couple are really screwy... ... I've mixed feelings about using the direct access files, anyway... that isn't the purpose of this project... this is more 'experimental' than permanent...

Seattle's 'Broadwave" tests have been off for several days, and the player didn't like 'em anyway with the 'm3u' call...script is peculiar about playlists in it's design and this configuration... Florida's (Miami) seemed mostly consistent for most part, or were the last day or so, and not tagged as 'experimental'...not sure about their observations and tides, but I'm not testing those... Couple of WFOs are in and out / on and off.. and I'm sort of monitoring them intermittently to check validity... and viability of direct feeds.
Wouldn't be playing with these if we had live streams from those areas!  Come on in Gulf and Tornado Alley States... any streamers in Caribbean? There's a bit gap or two!
Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: hankster on April 03, 2017, 05:50:18 PM
Would it be possible at some point, to have a feature that would email us if our stream went down? Maybe like if it off line for 15 minutes or more it would email us to let us know so we can fix it.

I have a script to do exactly that set up.  Here's the details on the third 'optional' section: http://www.wxforum.net/index.php?topic=31582.0#subject_317523

Doesn't look like that helps me much since I'm running on a Windows machine.
Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: tim273 on April 03, 2017, 05:52:36 PM
Would it be possible at some point, to have a feature that would email us if our stream went down? Maybe like if it off line for 15 minutes or more it would email us to let us know so we can fix it.

I have a script to do exactly that set up.  Here's the details on the third 'optional' section: http://www.wxforum.net/index.php?topic=31582.0#subject_317523

Doesn't look like that helps me much since I'm running on a Windows machine.

You could run Ubuntu Server (https://www.ubuntu.com/download/server) inside of VirtualBox (https://www.virtualbox.org/wiki/Downloads)
Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: hankster on April 03, 2017, 05:57:37 PM
Not really up to doing all that just for this task. I just thought that since they drop your feed from the list after a bit if it isn't broadcasting it might not be too much to add email notification. It's not much of a biggie to worry about.
Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: tim273 on April 03, 2017, 05:59:54 PM
Not really up to doing all that just for this task. I just thought that since they drop your feed from the list after a bit if it isn't broadcasting it might not be too much to add email notification. It's not much of a biggie to worry about.

Broadcastify does have that feature, you can set it up to email you or send a text (or both) if your feed goes down.
Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: Cutty Sark Sailor on April 03, 2017, 06:22:14 PM
NOAAWeatherRadioOrg doesn't have that feature the big boys have...we're non ad, non-commercial., no account login, setup etc.. just the point at and shoot at thingie in your encoders.. or serve it yourself, and give us the link...  but if you'd like we can manually spam you if you lose connection when ever we catch you down, and we feel like ot, and not busy with something else... and we could even spam you with stream critiques.. a few need such.  What we're doing is just dropping feeds when folks are consistently un-reliable.. and leaving 'em up with a "Dead Feed" icon.  Key word is consistently.  It's simply not our responsibility to babysit folks.
I sorta check mine once in awhile...Kind of a good thing to do anyway...figure I'm responsible for a good quality reliable stream, not an alarm clock to remind me I've an issue... most of us are pretty quick when it comes to 'my data is not good' 'advisorites not working' 'temp gauguge busted'... but then....why not apply the same diligence to a stream we're providing also?   it's easy to lose audio, but maintain a server connection. It's easy to have lousy audio and still maintain a connection.... so...   ????.
(+NOAA likes us... :grin:)
Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: ValentineWeather on April 03, 2017, 06:29:20 PM
I try to check mine daily and have found it off or squealing once. The audio plug I had on one end doesn't doesn't fit correct so ordered the correct 3.5mm 15' plug. Meantime I check more often and used some tape.  :-|
Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: Otis on April 03, 2017, 06:47:55 PM
NOAAWeatherRadioOrg doesn't have that feature the big boys have...we're non ad, non-commercial., no account login, setup etc..

So when I signed up with you what was the money and login information for?
(kidding Mike)  #-o
Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: Cutty Sark Sailor on April 03, 2017, 07:05:19 PM
NOAAWeatherRadioOrg doesn't have that feature the big boys have...we're non ad, non-commercial., no account login, setup etc..

So when I signed up with you what was the money and login information for?
(kidding Mike)  #-o
We used the money to pay off Ken to keep his silence about our goofs, flubs, and mistakes getting it started... he was gonna go public with our incompetence... and we sold all the login data. PayPal and Credit card info to NSA after they outbid the Russians. Few more signups, the team's goin' to the South Seas for next winter...except Ken.
Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: saratogaWX on April 03, 2017, 09:27:12 PM
NOAAWeatherRadioOrg doesn't have that feature the big boys have...we're non ad, non-commercial., no account login, setup etc..

So when I signed up with you what was the money and login information for?
(kidding Mike)  #-o
We used the money to pay off Ken to keep his silence about our goofs, flubs, and mistakes getting it started... he was gonna go public with our incompetence... and we sold all the login data. PayPal and Credit card info to NSA after they outbid the Russians. Few more signups, the team's goin' to the South Seas for next winter...except Ken.

 :lol:  :lol:  :lol:

Y'all were moving *so fast* it is/was hard to keep up with the daily discoveries of new feeds (and removal of dead feeds).  My  :idea: idea to have a flat-file listing that could generate our needed HTML/JSON is still alive.. just need some more time to have it come to fruition, and for this speeding train to slow a bit so the code could be checked. 

Sad I'm not going to the South Seas with you..  :-P
Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: Cutty Sark Sailor on April 05, 2017, 06:26:16 AM
126 streams as of 04/04/2017
Title: Raspberry Pi Stuff
Post by: tim273 on April 06, 2017, 02:33:23 PM
Hi Everyone,

I've copied over my Raspberry Pi tutorial over to Github:

https://github.com/tim273/weather_radio_scripts

I've also put all the stuff (well almost) in there so all you won't have to copy/paste as much.  Hopefully that makes it a little easier.
Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: Cutty Sark Sailor on April 06, 2017, 03:04:47 PM
Hi Everyone,

I've copied over my Raspberry Pi tutorial over to Github:

https://github.com/tim273/weather_radio_scripts

I've also put all the stuff (well almost) in there so all you won't have to copy/paste as much.  Hopefully that makes it a little easier.
Great Tim!
https://github.com/tim273/weather_radio_scripts added to 'How To'  http://noaaweatherradio.org/howto.html
Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: saratogaWX on April 06, 2017, 03:40:08 PM
Excellent Tim!!  =D&gt;  =D&gt;

BTW.. I did manage to get darkice+icecast2 working on my RPi3 with a NooElec SDR.  I'm awaiting parts on Friday to build a couple of 1/4 wave length ground plane antennas to improve the reception.  Then I'll add the Monterey Marine (WWF64 162.450Mhz) to a local icecast2 and wxradio.dyndns.org streams.

Thanks again for your excellent instructions on setting up the RPi for this .. I must confess that I'm not a vim (or emacs) user.. I'm using nano  (Oh, the shame of it all   :oops:  :roll: ).
Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: tim273 on April 06, 2017, 04:53:25 PM
Excellent Tim!!  =D&gt;  =D&gt;

BTW.. I did manage to get darkice+icecast2 working on my RPi3 with a NooElec SDR.  I'm awaiting parts on Friday to build a couple of 1/4 wave length ground plane antennas to improve the reception.  Then I'll add the Monterey Marine (WWF64 162.450Mhz) to a local icecast2 and wxradio.dyndns.org streams.

Thanks again for your excellent instructions on setting up the RPi for this .. I must confess that I'm not a vim (or emacs) user.. I'm using nano  (Oh, the shame of it all   :oops:  :roll: ).

That's OK, use whatever editor works best for you, I just happen to like vim. :)
Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: floodcaster on April 06, 2017, 06:55:27 PM
Just an FYI...
I had problems initially with my stream becoming garbled and "skipping" using M3W. I'm running it on my weather PC which is an old Dell Optiplex with limited RAM and running several other wx-related apps. I found that by simply increasing the buffer time to 15s I was able to eliminate the problem. I've been checking and so far so good (fingers crossed).

Bill
Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: ValentineWeather on April 06, 2017, 07:43:33 PM
I found that by simply increasing the buffer time to 15s I was able to eliminate the problem. I've been checking and so far so good (fingers crossed).

Bill

I never moved the buffer, default on mine was 20 so you moved it down to 15?

Update: Okay found another buffer place on sound card settings.
Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: Cutty Sark Sailor on April 06, 2017, 08:32:57 PM
129 streams as of 04/06/2017
Most of which are even live and working...
Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: heatcats on April 06, 2017, 10:58:14 PM
129 streams as of 04/06/2017
Most of which are even live and working...

My live stream feed (WWF56) is back up and running. Also, it's not a temp feed anymore. It's meant to be more permanent. I just had it down as I was using the computer for something else. I'll be sure to update my Twitter feed (@heatcats7) if the feed goes out for a long period of time like it did today.
Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: sacreyweather on April 07, 2017, 10:31:09 PM
129 streams as of 04/06/2017
Most of which are even live and working...

I am totally amazed we have 129 streams at this point. We are now above the 127 feeds listed on the WU spreadsheet. Speaking of which, we have 70 of those feeds listed among the 129.

Got the Google map updated today. My apologies for not doing it sooner. Spent the last 3 days helping install a new 6' chain link fence where our privacy fence was.

For those that do not know, we lost 16' of that privacy fence to the RFD from an upper end EF-1 tornado that passed less than 100 yards away from our home on Friday, March 24th at around 10:35 pm. Lost the fence and parts of 4 Bradford pear trees, one of which had to be cut down. No damage to the house, fortunately. Folks 300 yards to my SW, S and SE weren't so lucky. Lots of damage to several mobile homes and site-built homes. One site-built home was destroyed by a massive oak that went through it. Luckily there weren't any injuries sustained from anyone, which is incredible considering it was late Friday night and there wasn't any Tornado Warning issued. We were under a Severe Thunderstorm Warning at the time of tornado. There wasn't any way to get a Tornado Warning in time. The tornado was on the ground 4 minutes, traveled 2 miles, and was 150 yards wide.

The tornado formed out of a comma head bow echo that was moving NE at around 60 mph. Here is a link (https://sacrey.info/images/klzkBV.png) to a GR2AE BV image at the time of the tornado closest to my house (plus sign). The height of the scan is about 2400 feet above the ground.

John
Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: ValentineWeather on April 08, 2017, 05:26:17 AM
I've got a ground loop hum with power plugged detectable on broadcast using 3.5mm plug. Its an older house built 1952 where portions are ungrounded 2 prong. For safety I've added GFI breakers in main panel. Area my electronics are at is grounded 3 wire receptacles. Anyway ordered a Ebtech hum filter for radio, I've used these on sound system subs before and it worked.
Title: Another Antenna Option
Post by: tim273 on April 08, 2017, 09:07:11 AM
For anyone looking for a better antenna, the 1/4 wave ground plane is a good way to go.  There's another option if you don't want to build one of those yourself, it's referred to as a J-Pole and makes a really good receiving antenna.  I got one of from this guy (mine was a 2 meter one):  http://www.jpole-antenna.com/shop/product-category/weather-band/  They are made from copper pipe so they are very sturdy and make good receiving antennas because they have better "skin effect" (more on that here: http://www.mdarc.org/resources/technical/skin-effect).  He does a good job soldering them and checks for the right SWR.  The price isn't bad either.

If you really want to get "into the woods" about antennas, here's a good website: http://www.antenna-theory.com/

Anyway, just thought I'd give everyone another option.
Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: colonieweather on April 08, 2017, 09:44:24 AM
Hi ValentineWeather,

Was this what you purchased?
https://www.amazon.com/Ebtech-Hum-Voltage-Filter/dp/B0002E4YI8

I have a similar syle home (age and electrical-wise)

Thanks,
Chris
Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: ValentineWeather on April 08, 2017, 10:30:12 AM
Hi ValentineWeather,

Was this what you purchased?
https://www.amazon.com/Ebtech-Hum-Voltage-Filter/dp/B0002E4YI8

I have a similar syle home (age and electrical-wise)

Thanks,
Chris

Exactly what I ordered. I had one of these once before but left it in Arizona.
Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: heatcats on April 08, 2017, 11:27:34 AM
As of 08:27 PDT, the wxradio.dyndns.org server is down on my end. My internet connection is fine, so I think it's something out of my control. My live stream feed was knocked off the air.
Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: stanswx on April 08, 2017, 11:36:09 AM
As of 08:27 PDT, the wxradio.dyndns.org server is down on my end. My internet connection is fine, so I think it's something out of my control. My live stream feed was knocked off the air.
Same here. Guessing their IP might have changed and dyndns hasn't updated? Or the server is just down. Hopefully their ISP didn't disable for running a server. Looks like it went down at 10:24 central time according to my monitoring software. My other stream to Broadcastify which comes from my same streaming box is working fine.
Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: Cutty Sark Sailor on April 08, 2017, 11:49:48 AM
Chris may be doin' maintenance or upgrade this morning and forgot to tell us... CBS main site is ok.
Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: chappelledpc on April 08, 2017, 12:23:04 PM
Chris may be doin' maintenance or upgrade this morning and forgot to tell us... CBS main site is ok.

Question maybe for Tim (tim273) - I'm  using Darkice to stream to Chris' server and to my own Icecast2 server.  When Chris went down,  Darkice stream to my Icecast2 server went down as well.  I had to remove the the portion of the config for Chris' server from darkice.cfg and restart Darkice to get the stream back up to my own server.  Do you have any idea why that happened? 

Doug
Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: stanswx on April 08, 2017, 12:24:45 PM
Question maybe for Tim (tim273) - I'm  using Darkice to stream to Chris' server and to my own Icecast2 server.  When Chris went down,  Darkice stream to my Icecast2 server went down as well.  I had to remove the the portion of the config for Chris' server from darkice.cfg and restart Darkice to get the stream back up to my own server.  Do you have any idea why that happened? 
Mine just did the same thing. Maybe that's just how Darkice works? Frustrating!
Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: satcop on April 08, 2017, 12:26:09 PM
Question maybe for Tim (tim273) - I'm  using Darkice to stream to Chris' server and to my own Icecast2 server.  When Chris went down,  Darkice stream to my Icecast2 server went down as well.  I had to remove the the portion of the config for Chris' server from darkice.cfg and restart Darkice to get the stream back up to my own server.  Do you have any idea why that happened? 

I had same issue, need something to keep other streams going if one goes down.
Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: Cutty Sark Sailor on April 08, 2017, 12:33:54 PM
Dunno about your darkices, but BUTT, M3W e.g. stop trying to connect after a few attempts, (whatever you've set for 'retries') and will have to be reconnected when the server comes back up,...
... haven't heard back from Chris as yet on status.  DynDns.org had some maintenance, upgrades this last few days, but report all servers normal this morning... Chris may not have reconnected???? still early on a Sat Morning in Phoenix. :twisted:
Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: ValentineWeather on April 08, 2017, 12:40:05 PM
It was running earlier today, down now with m3W also.   
Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: stanswx on April 08, 2017, 03:31:06 PM
Looks like the server came back at 2:18pm central. Added my stream back to Darkice and it's working again.
Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: Cutty Sark Sailor on April 08, 2017, 06:43:06 PM


131 streams as of 04/08/2017
 #-o ... back on Feb 8th I sorta projected maybe 70-75 by April 8th... wow...
Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: Otis on April 08, 2017, 07:22:12 PM


131 streams as of 04/08/2017
 #-o ... back on Feb 8th I sorta projected maybe 70-75 by April 8th... wow...

Mike, I remember some time ago when you put a message out there about trying to do this very thing.  If I recall correctly (which sometimes I don’t) there was not a lot of response.  I know I responded with interest but did not have adequate software to stream – which you in turn help me resolve.

Now look where we – you – are, this is fantastic.  Well done.  =D&gt;
Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: Cutty Sark Sailor on April 08, 2017, 08:06:27 PM


131 streams as of 04/08/2017
 #-o ... back on Feb 8th I sorta projected maybe 70-75 by April 8th... wow...

Mike, I remember some time ago when you put a message out there about trying to do this very thing.  If I recall correctly (which sometimes I don’t) there was not a lot of response.  I know I responded with interest but did not have adequate software to stream – which you in turn help me resolve.

Now look where we – you – are, this is fantastic.  Well done.  =D&gt;
Thanks... but this community has done this... this is a WE thing... wouldn't happen without that... all I did was instigate it...and folks started jumping behind the idea...  sacreyweather and satcop... along with behind the scenes support from saratogaWX, jmcmurry,  chappelledpc, heatcats, tim273, and others... a special kudo to codegod, for setting up that icecast server, just for this community to use... I'm not sure it could be easier...
But folk like you make it click...
...there are also many 'anonymous' streamers who've kicked in, and wish to remain so... several don't even have PWS stations or sites, but they've got Wx Radios! 
...Now, there's an example.. John S just emailed an updated coverage map with new data he's had only a few minutes... that's what makes this so darn cool...
..we've got some things to do... but right now, the important thing, the gathering of streams, is being done... all the polishing and presentations / modifications, etc will come as we can, but what a base you folks have provided!
...somewhere down the road, we'll save a life... some person trapped at an office computer with no WxRadio handy may just be able to alert their coworkers in time... never know.  If nothing else, maybe we can use the platform to help promote the radios...
NOAA thought enough of this project to authorize the use of that restricred trademark, and that speaks volumes.

So, pat yourself on the back. Once. Gently. And don't break your arm.  The community behind this is what's cool.

Everybody gets a REAL Gold Star!
...that actually means something...
(http://ourspecial.net/NOAANET2/goldstar.png)
...and has class...  :roll:
Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: sacreyweather on April 08, 2017, 08:54:55 PM


131 streams as of 04/08/2017
 #-o ... back on Feb 8th I sorta projected maybe 70-75 by April 8th... wow...

Mike, I remember some time ago when you put a message out there about trying to do this very thing.  If I recall correctly (which sometimes I don’t) there was not a lot of response.  I know I responded with interest but did not have adequate software to stream – which you in turn help me resolve.

Now look where we – you – are, this is fantastic.  Well done.  =D&gt;
Thanks... but this community has done this... this is a WE thing... wouldn't happen without that... all I did was instigate it...and folks started jumping behind the idea...  sacreyweather and satcop... along with behind the scenes support from saratogaWX, jmcmurry,  chappelledpc, heatcats, tim273, and others... a special kudo to codegod, for setting up that icecast server, just for this community to use... I'm not sure it could be easier...
But folk like you make it click...
...there are also many 'anonymous' streamers who've kicked in, and wish to remain so... several don't even have PWS stations or sites, but they've got Wx Radios! 
...Now, there's an example.. John S just emailed an updated coverage map with new data he's had only a few minutes... that's what makes this so darn cool...
..we've got some things to do... but right now, the important thing, the gathering of streams, is being done... all the polishing and presentations / modifications, etc will come as we can, but what a base you folks have provided!
...somewhere down the road, we'll save a life... some person trapped at an office computer with no WxRadio handy may just be able to alert their coworkers in time... never know.  If nothing else, maybe we can use the platform to help promote the radios...
NOAA thought enough of this project to authorize the use of that restricred trademark, and that speaks volumes.

So, pat yourself on the back. Once. Gently. And don't break your arm.  The community behind this is what's cool.

Everybody gets a REAL Gold Star!
...that actually means something...
(http://ourspecial.net/NOAANET2/goldstar.png)
...and has class...  :roll:

Well said, Mike.  A major Kudos to everyone involved. \:D/ \:D/ \:D/

With the addition of the Pensacola, FL feed, we're up to 71 of the WU feeds. I have also been keeping this page (https://sacrey.info/wxradio.;php) up to date as well.  It takes a while, because the map is done one pixel at a time.

John
Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: codegod on April 09, 2017, 12:34:23 AM
I will second everything just said! I am so glad to be apart of this awesome community of weather enthusiasts! I thought this would never materialize the way it has and very proud of what WE all accomplished!


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Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: 92merc on April 09, 2017, 01:04:45 AM
I've been contemplating doing a stream for years.  It was when this switched to a community of weather guys doing it, that gave me the final nudge.  I'm happy to have joined the team effort.
Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: codegod on April 09, 2017, 01:31:46 AM
FYI got in contact with Maui feed provider and the stream is back up!


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Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: ValentineWeather on April 09, 2017, 08:40:59 AM
m3W was down again. If server goes down and you only have 3 retries (default) and server comes back up Broadcast won't auto start so I set retries to 10,000.  :grin:
Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: Cutty Sark Sailor on April 09, 2017, 08:55:12 AM
m3W was down again. If server goes down and you only have 3 retries (default) and server comes back up Broadcast won't auto start so I set retries to 10,000.  :grin:
Now THERE's a guy gonna make SURE!
(http://ourspecial.net/NOAANET2/goldstar.png)
Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: floodcaster on April 09, 2017, 09:04:55 AM
m3W was down again. If server goes down and you only have 3 retries (default) and server comes back up Broadcast won't auto start so I set retries to 10,000.  :grin:

Just did something similar.  :-) The manual does not explain that section. I set my "delay" to 900 thinking that if that's in seconds and it means how long to wait to try again, it should try every 15 minutes. But again, not sure how that works.
Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: gwwilk on April 09, 2017, 09:13:53 AM
m3W was down again. If server goes down and you only have 3 retries (default) and server comes back up Broadcast won't auto start so I set retries to 10,000.  :grin:
Good idea, Randy!  My feed was dead when I got up this morning, so I've followed your example.
Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: 92merc on April 09, 2017, 12:18:09 PM
My PI install has automatically reconnected with WXRadio Icecast server on at least 2 occasions. But I often lose connection to my own Icecast server and it doesn't come back up unless I restart the service.

Oh well, I'm not using the local anyway.
Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: tim273 on April 09, 2017, 12:31:03 PM
My PI install has automatically reconnected with WXRadio Icecast server on at least 2 occasions. But I often lose connection to my own Icecast server and it doesn't come back up unless I restart the service.

Oh well, I'm not using the local anyway.

Yeah the in the latest version of Darkice (or what's in the Git repository) has more error checking for remote servers, so if you look at you're log, you'll see something like this:

Code: [Select]
09-Apr-2017 05:09:47 BufferedSink, new peak: 336  /  480000
09-Apr-2017 05:09:47 BufferedSink, new peak: 825  /  480000
09-Apr-2017 05:09:47 BufferedSink, new peak: 1700  /  480000
09-Apr-2017 05:09:47 BufferedSink, new peak: 3444  /  480000
09-Apr-2017 05:09:48 BufferedSink, new peak: 7015  /  480000
09-Apr-2017 05:09:49 BufferedSink, new peak: 14356  /  480000
09-Apr-2017 05:09:50 BufferedSink, new peak: 28758  /  480000
09-Apr-2017 05:09:54 BufferedSink, new peak: 57928  /  480000
09-Apr-2017 05:10:23 BufferedSink, healed: 0  /  480000

That's it dealing with internet connection/quality issues, and I believe it will try to reconnect indefinitely, but if the Icecast server is down for a long time (like a few hours or days) then you would have to restart Darkice when it comes back up.

It's because of that error checking that I compile it from source rather than installing it with apt-get.  I don't think the Debian/Raspbian repositories have the latest version yet.
Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: ValentineWeather on April 11, 2017, 11:24:41 AM
Hi ValentineWeather,

Was this what you purchased?
https://www.amazon.com/Ebtech-Hum-Voltage-Filter/dp/B0002E4YI8

I have a similar syle home (age and electrical-wise)

Thanks,
Chris

Exactly what I ordered. I had one of these once before but left it in Arizona.

This did not work. Returned today....
Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: tmabell on April 11, 2017, 11:36:42 AM
Is the hum being genearted by the radio?  In other words do you hear it when the radio is disconnected from the pc?
Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: ValentineWeather on April 11, 2017, 11:46:17 AM
Is the hum being genearted by the radio?  In other words do you hear it when the radio is disconnected from the pc?

No only when connected and broadcasting using the 3.5 jack and cable. If I unplug power supply and go on radio batteries only hum disappears. Or not using aux cable directly through speaker no hum either.
Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: tmabell on April 11, 2017, 11:54:54 AM
I had that issue and solved it with a ground loop isolator in-line between the radio & the pc.  This is what I used:  http://www.ebay.com/itm/152484868945 (http://www.ebay.com/itm/152484868945)
Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: ValentineWeather on April 11, 2017, 11:58:08 AM
I had that issue and solved it with a ground loop isolator in-line between the radio & the pc.  This is what I used:  http://www.ebay.com/itm/152484868945 (http://www.ebay.com/itm/152484868945)

Thanks I'll give it a try. Much cheaper too. 
Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: Cutty Sark Sailor on April 12, 2017, 04:48:21 PM
133 streams as of 04/12/2017

...and our stream links are beginning to be 'scraped' by some of the 'bigger boys' who're starting to figure out WU is dead, and we're where the stuff is...  ah, well. "Save a Life"
Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: Helmsword on April 13, 2017, 01:37:00 PM
It took them that long to notice WU Died...

Like i said before, Weather Underground will eventually be shooting themselves pretty hard in the foot once they realize what they did cost them.
Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: ValentineWeather on April 13, 2017, 05:15:31 PM
I had that issue and solved it with a ground loop isolator in-line between the radio & the pc.  This is what I used:  http://www.ebay.com/itm/152484868945 (http://www.ebay.com/itm/152484868945)

Thanks I'll give it a try. Much cheaper too.

Yeah! It worked hum is gone.  =D&gt;
Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: Otis on April 13, 2017, 05:31:44 PM
Just an FYI
Yesterday morning (12 April) the transmitter I pick up to stream was working fine.
Cutty and I were corresponding and he indicated that my stream was off-line.  I looked into it and indeed the transmission I pick up from NOAA was dead.  I submitted a report through the NOAA Radio page (http://nws.noaa.gov/nwr/ (http://nws.noaa.gov/nwr/).  An individual got back to me pretty quick and we worked through some trouble shooting steps.

Bottom line the transmitter was/is down and they did not know.  The reporting process worked really well, the transmitter is now listed as offline.  They are working on it.

I do encourage using the reporting system is you feel your transmitter is down - we are the "ears" for them after all.

Anyway, like I said just an FYI.
Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: Cutty Sark Sailor on April 13, 2017, 05:42:37 PM
Just an FYI
Yesterday morning (12 April) the transmitter I pick up to stream was working fine.
Cutty and I were corresponding and he indicated that my stream was off-line.  I looked into it and indeed the transmission I pick up from NOAA was dead.  I submitted a report through the NOAA Radio page (http://nws.noaa.gov/nwr/ (http://nws.noaa.gov/nwr/).  An individual got back to me pretty quick and we worked through some trouble shooting steps.

Bottom line the transmitter was/is down and they did not know.  The reporting process worked really well, the transmitter is now listed as offline.  They are working on it.

I do encourage using the reporting system is you feel your transmitter is down - we are the "ears" for them after all.

Anyway, like I said just an FYI.
(http://ourspecial.net/NOAANET2/goldstar.png)Ya Do Good!
Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: saratogaWX on April 13, 2017, 05:49:12 PM
I had a similar experience with KEC49 (Monterey) -- I did file a report with the NWR site, but it was the weekend and when they came back Monday with a 'there's no trouble' response, I called the WFO in Monterey.  After navigating the (incredibly bad) voice mail selection tree, got the number for the WFO forecasters.  Called that and a real human forecaster answered.  I said that KEC49 was not broadcasting.. he checked, and sure enough, was off-the-air.  He dispatched the techs (who happened to be working on the KMUX radar adjacent) who rebooted the radio system.
So.. It also pays to have the local WFO forecast phone.  They do consider the NWR outage to be a severe outage and will work to have it restored.
Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: Cutty Sark Sailor on April 13, 2017, 05:52:23 PM
I had a similar experience with KEC49 (Monterey) -- I did file a report with the NWR site, but it was the weekend and when they came back Monday with a 'there's no trouble' response, I called the WFO in Monterey.  After navigating the (incredibly bad) voice mail selection tree, got the number for the WFO forecasters.  Called that and a real human forecaster answered.  I said that KEC49 was not broadcasting.. he checked, and sure enough, was off-the-air.  He dispatched the techs (who happened to be working on the KMUX radar adjacent) who rebooted the radio system.
So.. It also pays to have the local WFO forecast phone.  They do consider the NWR outage to be a severe outage and will work to have it restored.
DamnDarn... gonna run out of Gold Stars.
(http://ourspecial.net/NOAANET2/goldstar.png)
Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: Cutty Sark Sailor on April 13, 2017, 06:27:38 PM
I had that issue and solved it with a ground loop isolator in-line between the radio & the pc.  This is what I used:  http://www.ebay.com/itm/152484868945 (http://www.ebay.com/itm/152484868945)
I had that issue and solved it with a ground loop isolator in-line between the radio & the pc.  This is what I used:  http://www.ebay.com/itm/152484868945 (http://www.ebay.com/itm/152484868945)

Thanks I'll give it a try. Much cheaper too.

Yeah! It worked hum is gone.  =D&gt;
(http://noaaweatherradio.org/misc/axfmr.png)
and an old audio cable 'er two...  gotta junk collection like me, maybe got old modems, boards, with 1:1 isolation xfmrs lyin' 'round...  600 ohms maybe...
Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: Otis on April 13, 2017, 07:14:48 PM
Our local transmitter is back up and running  =D&gt;
Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: Cutty Sark Sailor on April 13, 2017, 08:28:57 PM
..."and the hits just keep on coming ..."  (old AM rock'n'roll DJ promo)  :roll:
135 streams as of 04/13/2017

2 Countries, 42 states and provinces.... if I counted 'em correctly...
Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: sacreyweather on April 13, 2017, 09:09:46 PM
Got the map updated, Folks.

States without feeds currently, unless I've missed one, or some (possible)

Alaska
Montana
Idaho
Wyoming
New Mexico
Mississippi
Georgia
Vermont
Delaware
Rhode island
West Virginia
Puerto Rico
Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: Helmsword on April 13, 2017, 09:14:52 PM
Got the map updated, Folks.

States without feeds currently, unless I've missed one, or some (possible)

Alaska
Montana
Idaho
Wyoming
New Mexico
Mississippi
Georgia
Vermont
Delaware
Rhode island
West Virginia
Puerto Rico

Should I be able to get a stream going, a stream in Georgia may be possible.
Depends though.
Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: sacreyweather on April 13, 2017, 09:18:51 PM
Got the map updated, Folks.

States without feeds currently, unless I've missed one, or some (possible)

Alaska
Montana
Idaho
Wyoming
New Mexico
Mississippi
Georgia
Vermont
Delaware
Rhode island
West Virginia
Puerto Rico

Should I be able to get a stream going, a stream in Georgia may be possible.
Depends though.

Hi,

What are you needing information or assistance on/with? Check the "How to" page here (http://noaaweatherradio.org/howto.html). Have questions, please ask. We're happy to help.

John
Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: Helmsword on April 13, 2017, 09:23:33 PM
Got the map updated, Folks.

States without feeds currently, unless I've missed one, or some (possible)

Alaska
Montana
Idaho
Wyoming
New Mexico
Mississippi
Georgia
Vermont
Delaware
Rhode island
West Virginia
Puerto Rico

Should I be able to get a stream going, a stream in Georgia may be possible.
Depends though.

Hi,

What are you needing information or assistance on/with? Check the "How to" page here (http://noaaweatherradio.org/howto.html). Have questions, please ask. We're happy to help.

John
I'll be reading the "How To" page in order to get a stream going. Should anything come to mind, I'll ask as well.
Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: cospringswx on April 13, 2017, 11:13:50 PM
Wish I could get a signal in my basement then Colorado will be up.
Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: satcop on April 14, 2017, 07:16:16 PM
With well over 130 streams available, it became time for a major update of the fully loaded version of the software.


Remember there are two versions of the software available:


For those of you who wish to be able to link to all of those streams from your site, there is the fully loaded version.  This is the version with a major update.

The latest version of the current script  you can see it in action   here  (http://cliftonvaweather.com/wxnoaaradio.php).  Jerry gwwilk was very very kind to help consolidate the code to the point that we now have 2 files instead of 3.   The code now consists of a main script and an include script.  The select file has now been moved into the include script.  The code should also be a bit faster with the changes as well.  I want to thank Gerry for his efforts, I think my earlier work caused him enough pain that he felt the amount of time spent on the work would reduce the constant need for him to take another antacid whenever he looked at the earlier code. 

As before, I have the two files available via ?sce=view.  Please note that the include file is constantly updating as we add stations, or if stations change their url, so you may need to download updates of that file from time to time to keep up, but now it is only one file not two.  Although for this update you will need to upload the main file as well.

The main file can be downloaded  here  (http://cliftonvaweather.com/wxnoaaradio.php?sce=view) and the include file which really does all the work can be downloaded  here  (http://cliftonvaweather.com/inc-wxnoaaradio.php?sce=view) .  To have the code start on your area weather station change the default callsign on the main page you can also adjust the width of the display at that location.

The current version for the files as of this moment.... is 20170414.

UPDATE: The include file is 20170414A - Found a bug when trying to access the website supplying the feed.

For those who only wish to stream their own stream there is the economy version, this one shouldn't require much maintenance as you aren't tracking all of those new streams.  This version has a operator defined setup at the top of the page, like its big brother it is designed around the Saratoga template and it is one script rather than 2.  You can see it in action  here  (http://cliftonvaweather.com/wx-radio.php) and it can be downloaded  here  (http://cliftonvaweather.com/wx-radio.php?sce=view).  This file as it doesn't have all of those bells and whistles was not updated, much like an old VW bug.

Bob
Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: chappelledpc on April 15, 2017, 09:59:58 AM
With well over 130 streams available, it became time for a major update of the fully loaded version of the software.


Remember there are two versions of the software available:


For those of you who wish to be able to link to all of those streams from your site, there is the fully loaded version.  This is the version with a major update.

The latest version of the current script  you can see it in action   here  (http://cliftonvaweather.com/wxnoaaradio.php).  Jerry gwwilk was very very kind to help consolidate the code to the point that we now have 2 files instead of 3.   The code now consists of a main script and an include script.  The select file has now been moved into the include script.  The code should also be a bit faster with the changes as well.  I want to thank Gerry for his efforts, I think my earlier work caused him enough pain that he felt the amount of time spent on the work would reduce the constant need for him to take another antacid whenever he looked at the earlier code. 

As before, I have the two files available via ?sce=view.  Please note that the include file is constantly updating as we add stations, or if stations change their url, so you may need to download updates of that file from time to time to keep up, but now it is only one file not two.  Although for this update you will need to upload the main file as well.

The main file can be downloaded  here  (http://cliftonvaweather.com/wxnoaaradio.php?sce=view) and the include file which really does all the work can be downloaded  here  (http://cliftonvaweather.com/inc-wxnoaaradio.php?sce=view) .  To have the code start on your area weather station change the default callsign on the main page you can also adjust the width of the display at that location.

The current version for the files as of this moment.... is 20170414.

UPDATE: The include file is 20170414A - Found a bug when trying to access the website supplying the feed.

For those who only wish to stream their own stream there is the economy version, this one shouldn't require much maintenance as you aren't tracking all of those new streams.  This version has a operator defined setup at the top of the page, like its big brother it is designed around the Saratoga template and it is one script rather than 2.  You can see it in action  here  (http://cliftonvaweather.com/wx-radio.php) and it can be downloaded  here  (http://cliftonvaweather.com/wx-radio.php?sce=view).  This file as it doesn't have all of those bells and whistles was not updated, much like an old VW bug.

Bob

Very nice!!  Thanks for all the work you and Gerry put into this and a special thanks to you Bob for all of the work you do to keep it updated.  Much appreciated by all.

Doug
Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: Cutty Sark Sailor on April 19, 2017, 11:28:55 AM

136 streams as of 04/19/2017

Couple youse guys changing mount points e.g.... please use the update form if you make changes! Otherwise, you're apt to go dead!
We've several  scripts to modify  and all three of us will receive those change notifications almost immediately...otherwise ???
http://noaaweatherradio.org/addstream/addstream.html
...tanks youse all.  :twisted:
Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: 92merc on April 20, 2017, 04:04:37 PM
I noticed with the latest Firefox update to V53, I've lost the volume button on the player.  Not sure if there is a tweak that can be made to the player options to force the volume button to show.

The only thing I have is a speaker button that does a mute.
Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: Cutty Sark Sailor on April 20, 2017, 04:58:40 PM
I noticed with the latest Firefox update to V53, I've lost the volume button on the player.  Not sure if there is a tweak that can be made to the player options to force the volume button to show.

The only thing I have is a speaker button that does a mute.
I dunno... Version 53 works fine for me.... Both 32bit WIN 7 and 64bit WIN 7... FF Developer version 54.02 also works fine Win7 32 and 64 bit versions. ?????/ Haven't checked yet on WIN 10 ... I note WIN 10 machines currently doin' their idiotic 'update whether you wan to or not' thing... I'll let you know...
Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: 92merc on April 20, 2017, 06:34:20 PM
I only have Win10 64 bit on all of my machines.  All of them are doing it.  Not a major deal.

It's on FF doing it.  Just test IE11, Chrome, and even Edge.  Only FF loses the volume option.
Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: satcop on April 20, 2017, 06:36:02 PM
I just did the upgrade to FF53 on Win 10 and seeing the issue on the wxnoaaradio.php page as well, it seems that FF does something to the volume control, I did not see this with FF52.  Looking into it to see if there is a fix.  Update: Can't find any documentation on it, maybe a problem with FF53.
Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: Cutty Sark Sailor on April 20, 2017, 06:53:56 PM
Folks, I simply do not see that issue on FF53 on Win 7, Win 8, or Win 10 machines, 32 bit or 64 bit. All mine work fine, Edge, IE 11 , FF 53 and FF 54.0A2 Developer..;. it's all good for me on all my machines.
???????
Only silly thing I can think of, is, the Vol Control png disappears if speaker is 'mute'....  that's design...  ????
Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: Cutty Sark Sailor on April 20, 2017, 06:55:59 PM
You guys try cleaning the FF internet cache???? I simply don't see the issue.
Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: satcop on April 20, 2017, 07:07:54 PM
Only silly thing I can think of, is, the Vol Control png disappears if speaker is 'mute'....  that's design...  ????

Ok cleared out stuff.  Here is what is happening that didn't happen before.  The volume on the noaaweatherradio site works fine.  The html5 tag on the wxnoaaradio.php page actually shows the volume control when it first comes up and than once it starts to play it goes away, like your description of being on mute, but it isn't on mute ](*,)   I did not have that before on 52, and like you, it works fine on all the other platforms.  I will watch and see what happens, maybe just a quirk of this update and my system.
Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: sacreyweather on April 20, 2017, 07:22:13 PM
Just updated both Chrome and FF to their latest versions, and cleared cache. I'm not having any issues here on https://sacrey.info/wxnoaaradio.php. I'm running Win 7 64 bit.
Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: Cutty Sark Sailor on April 20, 2017, 07:27:14 PM
Ok... I did have this strange issue on one WIN 10 machine,.... not with the Vol Control, but neither Edge nor FF would access any of the audio streams, even the 'hurricane', which is on server.  That machine just completed the silly update sequence... I rebooted the machine.  Now Fine.
Somebody's turned loose gremlins... I suspect this issue isn't with firefox per se.  every install I have works fine now... ...????
Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: Cutty Sark Sailor on April 20, 2017, 07:33:34 PM
AAAHHHH.... I think I know what may be going on... connects to the server spiked... probably as a result of the CCR Blog post...  I'll recheck that shortly....
I JUST ADDED # 137 ...West Palm Beach FL
Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: Cutty Sark Sailor on April 20, 2017, 07:50:34 PM
AAAHHHH.... I think I know what may be going on... connects to the server spiked... probably as a result of the CCR Blog post...  I'll recheck that shortly....
I JUST ADDED # 137 ...West Palm Beach FL
Nope... wasn't that big a spike, ... looked high at first glance... something else goin' on.
Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: tim273 on April 21, 2017, 08:22:10 AM
AAAHHHH.... I think I know what may be going on... connects to the server spiked... probably as a result of the CCR Blog post...  I'll recheck that shortly....
I JUST ADDED # 137 ...West Palm Beach FL

Where is the CCR blog post you're talking about? I must have missed that, I'd like to read it.

Thanks,
Tim
Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: Cutty Sark Sailor on April 21, 2017, 08:26:54 AM

Where is the CCR blog post you're talking about? I must have missed that, I'd like to read it.

Thanks,
Tim
http://cocorahs.blogspot.com/2017/04/weather-radio-must-for-every-home.html
Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: tim273 on April 21, 2017, 08:33:40 AM
http://cocorahs.blogspot.com/2017/04/weather-radio-must-for-every-home.html#comment-form

Thanks!
Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: 92merc on April 21, 2017, 09:34:31 AM
Ok cleared out stuff.  Here is what is happening that didn't happen before.  The volume on the noaaweatherradio site works fine.  The html5 tag on the wxnoaaradio.php page actually shows the volume control when it first comes up and than once it starts to play it goes away, like your description of being on mute, but it isn't on mute ](*,)   I did not have that before on 52, and like you, it works fine on all the other platforms.  I will watch and see what happens, maybe just a quirk of this update and my system.

This is exactly what I'm seeing too.  And I have all of my Firefox browsers to clear cache on exit.
Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: Cutty Sark Sailor on April 21, 2017, 11:18:51 AM
Folks, Other then the below possibility, I've tried numerous attempts to duplicate this, on various platforms and machines, and simply cannot see the issue... the ONLY issue I noted was on one machine, after WIN 10 did it's auto update horror, and the player would NOT access ANY streams in ether EDGE or Firefox, but after rebooting that system, no issue. 

By design, this is a responsive player. I don't remember the exact breakpoint, but I believe it's 524 pixels, the Volume Bar is sacrificed, as would a couple of other features if they were enabled... That also occurs on the 'pop-out' version... but it does that, as far as I know, and have observed, on all browsers, including Androids that I've checked.. that's by design,... is that what's happening?
Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: 92merc on April 21, 2017, 11:41:21 AM
I don't have Chrome on my work machine where I'm at at the moment.  But at home, it did work fine.  But here's what I'm seeing in FF, IE11, and Edge.  Only FF drops the volume slider.
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Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: Cutty Sark Sailor on April 21, 2017, 12:04:22 PM
OH... Dang...
you're talking Bob's script!   Crap. I thought you guys were referring to the NOAA Weather Radio website player!  I'm moving on....
Bob????
Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: satcop on April 21, 2017, 12:11:33 PM
Yes it is the latest updates from Win10 and FF53 in combination that seems to have created this result on a standard html 5 audio tag.  There is no documentation that I can find as yet of the issue, and I am not even sure if it occurs on all computers with the combo.  This issue did not exhibit itself in earlier versions of win10 or with FF52.  The last thing I want to do is add more java script code to cover the issue.  If anyone comes across some info on what is happening I would be glad to hear it.

Bob
Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: 92merc on April 21, 2017, 12:12:35 PM
Yeah, sorry, Bob's script.

I just verified your player is fine with FF53.  Other than it doesn't default to my site.  :-)
Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: Cutty Sark Sailor on April 21, 2017, 12:29:15 PM
Your image shows the volume control.  Firefox is dropping the track time scrubber, probably because this is a 'stream', not an mp3 with ID3 time / length tags.  8-)

Just added 138
Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: 92merc on April 21, 2017, 01:08:22 PM
Nope, it's leaving the time bar in there.  I can use it to move back in time.  The speaker button just mutes.  Like previously posted, it'll briefly flash a speaker bar after the mute button.  Then it disappears.
Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: 92merc on April 21, 2017, 01:10:32 PM
I should have labeled those better.  Middle one is Firefox.  Top is edge, bottom is IE.
Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: Cutty Sark Sailor on April 21, 2017, 01:33:58 PM
My Bad... you're right.
Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: ValentineWeather on April 21, 2017, 03:16:45 PM
OH... Dang...
you're talking Bob's script!   Crap. I thought you guys were referring to the NOAA Weather Radio website player!  I'm moving on....
Bob????

I was confused too. I'm not seeing any problem with volume control with Chrome but could be issue for visitors using Firefox.
Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: satcop on April 21, 2017, 06:44:48 PM
Yes it is the latest updates from Win10 and FF53 in combination that seems to have created this result on a standard html 5 audio tag.  There is no documentation that I can find as yet of the issue, and I am not even sure if it occurs on all computers with the combo.  This issue did not exhibit itself in earlier versions of win10 or with FF52.  The last thing I want to do is add more java script code to cover the issue.  If anyone comes across some info on what is happening I would be glad to hear it.

Ok I have done some further research.  The folks at Mozilla must have a software writer who hates volume controls (likes things turned up to eleven).  I have found evidence of a history of updates where for some reason the volume control gets dropped for the html5 audio tag or has issues on an update.  It than gets corrected fairly soon thereafter.  I have STANDARD HTML5 code for the player so it is likely this issue will be corrected shortly by the folks at Mozilla when they figure out that the bug they keep correcting came back in.

I don't know if any of you are part of Mozilla's testers group but if you are please let them know of the issue.

Bob
Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: Cutty Sark Sailor on April 23, 2017, 10:27:00 PM


139 streams as of 04/23/2017

Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: Helmsword on April 23, 2017, 11:13:54 PM
That's another one from the Wunderground chart too!

I bet that They're regretting shutting their icecast server down by now..
Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: sacreyweather on April 24, 2017, 07:49:13 AM
That's another one from the Wunderground chart too!

I bet that They're regretting shutting their icecast server down by now..

Yep, feed number 76!!!! When we accumulate a few more feeds from the list, I believe I will send them a Thank You (map) for their ignorance in shutting down this service, and inform them we function just fine without them. Karma is a b%#$h!!! :twisted: :twisted:  I normally don't taunt folks, but I may make an exception in this case.
Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: gwwilk on April 26, 2017, 08:48:03 AM
Just a heads-up regarding the Omaha Radio on Friday.  This is the information statement OAX has been displaying:
Code: [Select]
000
NOUS43 KOAX 242006
PNSOAX
IAZ055-069-079-NEZ034-044-045-051>053-067-250815-

Public Information Statement
National Weather Service Omaha/Valley NE
306 PM CDT Mon Apr 24 2017

...Omaha NOAA Weather Radio Moving on Friday...

The NOAA weather radio transmitter in Omaha, NE, site KIH 61 on
frequency 162.400 megahertz, will be moved this Friday April
28. This will cause the transmitter to be off the air during the
day from around 8 am through 4 pm. We apologize for any
inconvenience that this cases.

$$
The station will be off the air for most of the day.
Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: Murry Conarroe on April 26, 2017, 09:32:47 AM
Is anyone using a Midland WR300 weather radio for streaming?
I have one which works 24/7 during normal weather. But when severe weather is in the coverage area, it will stop broadcasting. If I then hit the weather/hazard button on the radio, it starts broadcasting again (for a while).
Is there some setting I am missing? Or is the radio defective?

Is there some other radio recommended for streaming?
Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: tim273 on April 26, 2017, 09:49:26 AM
Is anyone using a Midland WR300 weather radio for streaming?
I have one which works 24/7 during normal weather. But when severe weather is in the coverage area, it will stop broadcasting. If I then hit the weather/hazard button on the radio, it starts broadcasting again (for a while).
Is there some setting I am missing? Or is the radio defective?

Is there some other radio recommended for streaming?

I used the Reecom R-1630 for years to stream to WU, you can set it up to be just a basic radio and turn off the alarms. It's a little more expensive, but worth it: https://www.amazon.com/Reecom-R-1630-Effective-Detection-Memories/dp/B003I29YF4  you might also be able to find one on Ebay.
Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: Cutty Sark Sailor on April 26, 2017, 09:56:47 AM
Is anyone using a Midland WR300 weather radio for streaming?
I have one which works 24/7 during normal weather. But when severe weather is in the coverage area, it will stop broadcasting. If I then hit the weather/hazard button on the radio, it starts broadcasting again (for a while).
Is there some setting I am missing? Or is the radio defective?

Is there some other radio recommended for streaming?
Murray, did you not get my email to you about this perhaps relating to the "End of Message" tone after a warning?

First...If 'alert only" is activated, the radio should only activate audio if an alert is recognized... unless it's already on, and supposedly shut off audio on the EOM tone. If it's already on, and an alert hits, I suspected the EOM tone would turn audio off... it would then 're-activate' if another 'alert' tone was received, and turn off audio after EOM.
You can change that "alert only" feature in the set-up.... I experimented after I sent the email, and that did occur with 'alert only' enabled...

Mike
Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: chappelledpc on April 26, 2017, 10:24:21 AM
Just a heads-up regarding the Omaha Radio on Friday.  This is the information statement OAX has been displaying:
Code: [Select]
000
NOUS43 KOAX 242006
PNSOAX
IAZ055-069-079-NEZ034-044-045-051>053-067-250815-

Public Information Statement
National Weather Service Omaha/Valley NE
306 PM CDT Mon Apr 24 2017

...Omaha NOAA Weather Radio Moving on Friday...

The NOAA weather radio transmitter in Omaha, NE, site KIH 61 on
frequency 162.400 megahertz, will be moved this Friday April
28. This will cause the transmitter to be off the air during the
day from around 8 am through 4 pm. We apologize for any
inconvenience that this cases.

$$
The station will be off the air for most of the day.

This is what I am seeing this morning at at the NOAA OAX site http://www.weather.gov/oax/Omahanoaaweatherraddio (http://www.weather.gov/oax/Omahanoaaweatherraddio)
Code: [Select]
..OMAHA NOAA WEATHER RADIO MOVING ON THURSDAY... 
 
THE NOAA WEATHER RADIO TRANSMITTER IN OMAHA, NE, SITE KIH 61 ON 
FREQUENCY 162.400 MEGAHERTZ, WILL BE MOVED THIS THURSDAY APRIL   
27. THIS WILL CAUSE THE TRANSMITTER TO BE OFF THE AIR DURING THE   
DAY FROM AROUND 8 AM THROUGH 4 PM. WE APOLOGIZE FOR ANY   
INCONVENIENCE THAT THIS CAUSES.   

Wonder which one is more current?  In either case, looks like my Omaha KIH61 feeds (below) will be down for a while either tomorrow or Friday.

http://chappelleweather.com:8000/NOAA/KIH61.mp3
http://wxradio.dyndns.org:8000/NOAA/KIH61.mp3

I'm hopeful that wherever they are moving it to that I have as good quality signal as I do now. 

Doug


Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: heatcats on April 26, 2017, 12:59:52 PM
Is anyone using a Midland WR300 weather radio for streaming?
I have one which works 24/7 during normal weather. But when severe weather is in the coverage area, it will stop broadcasting. If I then hit the weather/hazard button on the radio, it starts broadcasting again (for a while).
Is there some setting I am missing? Or is the radio defective?

Is there some other radio recommended for streaming?

I've listened to your stream during severe weather, and it seems that your radio has been activating for alerts. As default with Midland radios, it shuts off after 5 minutes. To prevent this, simply add a single FIPS code, and enter a random number such as 111111 (by doing this, the radio will not activate at all, and after 10 days, a check reception message will pop up. There's nothing wrong if it does pop up; just unplug the radio to clear it) or perhaps the FIPS code for your county (if you do this one, the radio will activate if the alert is for your county).

----
Is anyone using a Midland WR300 weather radio for streaming?
I have one which works 24/7 during normal weather. But when severe weather is in the coverage area, it will stop broadcasting. If I then hit the weather/hazard button on the radio, it starts broadcasting again (for a while).
Is there some setting I am missing? Or is the radio defective?

Is there some other radio recommended for streaming?
Murray, did you not get my email to you about this perhaps relating to the "End of Message" tone after a warning?

First...If 'alert only" is activated, the radio should only activate audio if an alert is recognized... unless it's already on, and supposedly shut off audio on the EOM tone. If it's already on, and an alert hits, I suspected the EOM tone would turn audio off... it would then 're-activate' if another 'alert' tone was received, and turn off audio after EOM.
You can change that "alert only" feature in the set-up.... I experimented after I sent the email, and that did occur with 'alert only' enabled...

Mike

The Midland WR-300 does not have EOM detection. The radio shuts off five minutes after it rings. This applies to the Midland WR-100 as well.
Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: gwwilk on April 28, 2017, 09:16:42 AM
New Statement yesterday evening from OAX regarding planned NOAA Radio Outage:
Code: [Select]
000
NOUS43 KOAX 272121
PNSOAX
IAZ055-069-079-NEZ034-044-045-051>053-067-280100-

Public Information Statement
National Weather Service Omaha/Valley NE
420 PM CDT Thu Apr 27 2017

...OMAHA NOAA WEATHER RADIO WILL BE OFF-THE-AIR ON FRIDAY...

We are in the process of moving the the NOAA Weather Radio
transmitter in Omaha, NE, site KIH 61, broadcasting on a frequency
of 162.400 megahertz to a new location. This work was expected to be
completed today. However, due to a couple of unexpected delays, the
transmitter will now be moved on Friday, April 28. The NOAA Weather
Radio station in Omaha is currently broadcasting, but will be off
the air again during the move on Friday. We apologize for any
inconvenience that this may cause. Severe weather is not expected
during the move.

$$
As of 8:15 am CDT it's still broadcasting, so the move has yet to get underway.
Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: chappelledpc on April 28, 2017, 10:58:59 AM
New Statement yesterday evening from OAX regarding planned NOAA Radio Outage:
Code: [Select]
000
NOUS43 KOAX 272121
PNSOAX
IAZ055-069-079-NEZ034-044-045-051>053-067-280100-

Public Information Statement
National Weather Service Omaha/Valley NE
420 PM CDT Thu Apr 27 2017

...OMAHA NOAA WEATHER RADIO WILL BE OFF-THE-AIR ON FRIDAY...

We are in the process of moving the the NOAA Weather Radio
transmitter in Omaha, NE, site KIH 61, broadcasting on a frequency
of 162.400 megahertz to a new location. This work was expected to be
completed today. However, due to a couple of unexpected delays, the
transmitter will now be moved on Friday, April 28. The NOAA Weather
Radio station in Omaha is currently broadcasting, but will be off
the air again during the move on Friday. We apologize for any
inconvenience that this may cause. Severe weather is not expected
during the move.

$$
As of 8:15 am CDT it's still broadcasting, so the move has yet to get underway.

The transmitter is off the air now.  I've taken my two streams (below) down ans will bring them back up when it's back on the air.


http://chappelleweather.com:8000/NOAA/KIH61.mp3
http://wxradio.dyndns.org:8000/NOAA/KIH61.mp3

Doug
Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: chappelledpc on April 28, 2017, 06:08:52 PM
New Statement yesterday evening from OAX regarding planned NOAA Radio Outage:
Code: [Select]
000
NOUS43 KOAX 272121
PNSOAX
IAZ055-069-079-NEZ034-044-045-051>053-067-280100-

Public Information Statement
National Weather Service Omaha/Valley NE
420 PM CDT Thu Apr 27 2017

...OMAHA NOAA WEATHER RADIO WILL BE OFF-THE-AIR ON FRIDAY...

We are in the process of moving the the NOAA Weather Radio
transmitter in Omaha, NE, site KIH 61, broadcasting on a frequency
of 162.400 megahertz to a new location. This work was expected to be
completed today. However, due to a couple of unexpected delays, the
transmitter will now be moved on Friday, April 28. The NOAA Weather
Radio station in Omaha is currently broadcasting, but will be off
the air again during the move on Friday. We apologize for any
inconvenience that this may cause. Severe weather is not expected
during the move.

$$
As of 8:15 am CDT it's still broadcasting, so the move has yet to get underway.

The transmitter is off the air now.  I've taken my two streams (below) down ans will bring them back up when it's back on the air.


http://chappelleweather.com:8000/NOAA/KIH61.mp3
http://wxradio.dyndns.org:8000/NOAA/KIH61.mp3

Doug

The transmitter move apparently is complete.  We have a good quality signal.  Both of my streams have been restored.

Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: chappelledpc on April 28, 2017, 06:15:39 PM
New Statement yesterday evening from OAX regarding planned NOAA Radio Outage:
Code: [Select]
000
NOUS43 KOAX 272121
PNSOAX
IAZ055-069-079-NEZ034-044-045-051>053-067-280100-

Public Information Statement
National Weather Service Omaha/Valley NE
420 PM CDT Thu Apr 27 2017

...OMAHA NOAA WEATHER RADIO WILL BE OFF-THE-AIR ON FRIDAY...

We are in the process of moving the the NOAA Weather Radio
transmitter in Omaha, NE, site KIH 61, broadcasting on a frequency
of 162.400 megahertz to a new location. This work was expected to be
completed today. However, due to a couple of unexpected delays, the
transmitter will now be moved on Friday, April 28. The NOAA Weather
Radio station in Omaha is currently broadcasting, but will be off
the air again during the move on Friday. We apologize for any
inconvenience that this may cause. Severe weather is not expected
during the move.

$$
As of 8:15 am CDT it's still broadcasting, so the move has yet to get underway.

The transmitter is off the air now.  I've taken my two streams (below) down ans will bring them back up when it's back on the air.


http://chappelleweather.com:8000/NOAA/KIH61.mp3
http://wxradio.dyndns.org:8000/NOAA/KIH61.mp3

Doug

The transmitter move apparently is complete.  We have a good quality signal.  Both of my streams have been restored.

Spoke too soon!!  Transmitter is off the air again.  Have taken both of the KIH61 streams down again.  Will continue to monitor.
Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: heatcats on April 29, 2017, 02:50:43 AM
WWF56 Rattlesnake Ridge/Tri Cities stream feed is down until further notice. I ran into some computer problems that are preventing me from streaming. I have an alternate computer I will utilize in 24 hours if I don't get the issue fixed. I will have to do some rearranging when it comes to my set up in order to get it to work.

I will post on this forum once I get it broadcasting again.

**Update 04/29 22:53 PDT** The alternate computer will not be utilized. WWF56 feed will be down until I get the laptop fixed.
Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: chappelledpc on April 29, 2017, 08:59:01 AM
New Statement yesterday evening from OAX regarding planned NOAA Radio Outage:
Code: [Select]
000
NOUS43 KOAX 272121
PNSOAX
IAZ055-069-079-NEZ034-044-045-051>053-067-280100-

Public Information Statement
National Weather Service Omaha/Valley NE
420 PM CDT Thu Apr 27 2017

...OMAHA NOAA WEATHER RADIO WILL BE OFF-THE-AIR ON FRIDAY...

We are in the process of moving the the NOAA Weather Radio
transmitter in Omaha, NE, site KIH 61, broadcasting on a frequency
of 162.400 megahertz to a new location. This work was expected to be
completed today. However, due to a couple of unexpected delays, the
transmitter will now be moved on Friday, April 28. The NOAA Weather
Radio station in Omaha is currently broadcasting, but will be off
the air again during the move on Friday. We apologize for any
inconvenience that this may cause. Severe weather is not expected
during the move.

$$
As of 8:15 am CDT it's still broadcasting, so the move has yet to get underway.

The transmitter is off the air now.  I've taken my two streams (below) down ans will bring them back up when it's back on the air.


http://chappelleweather.com:8000/NOAA/KIH61.mp3
http://wxradio.dyndns.org:8000/NOAA/KIH61.mp3

Doug

The transmitter move apparently is complete.  We have a good quality signal.  Both of my streams have been restored.

Spoke too soon!!  Transmitter is off the air again.  Have taken both of the KIH61 streams down again.  Will continue to monitor.

Omaha KIH61 is now listed as listed as out of service on the  NWR Transmitter Outages page.  I find no further public information statements from WFO OAX regarding status.  I've left an inquiry on the outage reporting page.  We'll see if we get any response.

So until further notice, we'll leave the streams down rather than blasting static on them.

Doug 

Update at 8:30AM - Was able to find the telephone number to Omaha WFO in Valley, NE.  Spoke to them and they stated that technicians would be on site today to attempt repair, but had no further information beyond that.

Update 9:00AM

I received a response to my inquiry on the NWR outage page already!!!

Good morning,

Thank you for contacting us regarding the KIH61 Omaha, NE transmitter (freq. 162.400 MHz).  The transmitter site experienced a telecommunication circuit outage following the transmitter move.  Telco technicians are working to restore audio as soon as possible.

We apologize for the additional interruption in service and appreciate your attention to the station broadcast.

Respectfully,
Catherine Williams

10:00AM  - New Public Information Statement from WFO OAX

000
NOUS43 KOAX 291350
PNSOAX
IAZ055-069-079-NEZ034-044-045-051>053-067-300200-

Public Information Statement
National Weather Service Omaha/Valley NE
850 AM CDT Sat Apr 29 2017

...OMAHA NOAA WEATHER RADIO REMAINS OFF THE AIR...

We are in the process of moving the the NOAA Weather Radio
transmitter in Omaha, NE, site KIH 61, broadcasting on a frequency
of 162.400 megahertz to a new location. There have been
complications with this move and technicians are working to
restore the broadcast. We are hopeful to have the transmitter
operational later today. We apologize for any inconvenience that
this may cause.


$$

2:00PM - Latest statement from WFO.  Looks like it will be Monday before KIH61 Omaha will be restored.

000
NOUS43 KOAX 291901
PNSOAX
IAZ055-069-079-NEZ034-044-045-051>053-067-300715-

Public Information Statement
National Weather Service Omaha/Valley NE
201 PM CDT Sat Apr 29 2017

...OMAHA NOAA WEATHER RADIO TO REMAIN OFF THE AIR UNTIL MONDAY...

We are in the process of moving the the NOAA Weather Radio
transmitter in Omaha, Nebraska to a new location. The call sign
is KIH-61, which broadcasts on a frequency of 162.400 megahertz.
There have been complications with this move and technicians are
working to restore the broadcast. It now appears that the
transmitter will not be operational until Monday, May 1st.

We apologize for any inconvenience that this may cause. While
some light snow could occur Sunday night into early Monday, no
hazardous weather is anticipated within the listening area between
now and then.

$$




Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: heatcats on April 30, 2017, 01:06:01 PM
As of 10:05 PDT 30 April, my computer problems have been resolved. WWF56 live stream feed will be back on air shortly.
Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: chappelledpc on May 01, 2017, 01:40:36 PM
NWR KIH61 Omaha, NE

The problems with the transmitter seems to have been resolved.  Have restored both of my streams.

http://chappelleweather.com:8000/NOAA/KIH61.mp3
http://wxradio.dyndns.org:8000/NOAA/KIH61.mp3

Doug

2:10PM - WFO Public Information Statement

000
NOUS43 KOAX 011910
PNSOAX
IAZ055-069-079-NEZ034-044-045-051>053-067-020715-

Public Information Statement
National Weather Service Omaha/Valley NE
210 PM CDT Mon May 1 2017

...OMAHA NOAA WEATHER RADIO BACK ON THE AIR...

The Omaha NOAA weather radio is now back on the air. We apologize
for any inconvenience that the outage may have caused.

$$


Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: Cutty Sark Sailor on May 01, 2017, 05:28:02 PM
142 streams listed as of 05/01/2017
... and I received an email from NOAA.GOV May 1, 2017...in part:
"It certainly fills a need left by Weather Underground.
Thank you for your efforts to provide streaming weather information and weather awareness. 
We do appreciate your attention to NWR."


The Whole PWS / WxForum, etc Community gets a REAL Gold Star !
(http://ourspecial.net/NOAANET2/goldstar.png)

NEWS:
We just added the First NWR MARINE / COASTAL streams courtesy of Ken True, SaratogaWx, using Pi, sounding good...

So, YOU COASTAL and LAKE FOLKS, etc... if you can get some Marine Streams going, we'll have another great feature, as far as
we know, there are no others being streamed at the moment... that'd be really, really, cool.

I'm not sure, but there may also be some 'buoy' transmissions accessible, also.
"Save a Life"
Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: Otis on May 01, 2017, 05:50:44 PM
My stream is also coastal of the Big Water - Northern Lake Michigan and Northern Lake Huron.
Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: Cutty Sark Sailor on May 01, 2017, 07:20:06 PM
My stream is also coastal of the Big Water - Northern Lake Michigan and Northern Lake Huron.
Right... most of the Marine is currently carried along with All Hazards transmitters... a quick survey for Marine NOAA didn't 'name' as many as I somehow expected...
California
KWL22 Malibu Marine
WNG637 San Diego Marine
WWF62 Santa Barbara Marine
WWF64 Monterey Marine
Massachusetts
WNG574 Gloucester Marine
Maine
WNG543 Jonesboro Marine
Washington
WWG24 Puget Sound Marine
We earlier experimented with numerous 'direct audio' feeds from a few WFO's but found most if not all totally experimental, and dated, or 'just testing'... so we've let that go for awhile... a lot of those were 'specific' marine or coastal... West Coast, Florida for example.
Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: Otis on May 02, 2017, 06:59:52 AM
Just an FYI

Like others my stream was picked up by Tunein from the WU broadcast page.  As others did I contacted them with the “new” url for my stream, which they picked up gladly.

I did notice that on the [Tunein] page they had a link to “Visit the station web site”; unfortunately the link was to the defunct WU page.  I asked them to correct it and link back to my web site where the stream originates, which they did (http://tunein.com/radio/Petoskey-MI-NOAA-Weather-Radio-162475-s256262/).

Anyway, those with a Tunein stream may want to check – might as well get the credit where credit is due.
Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: chappelledpc on May 02, 2017, 10:28:42 AM
NWR KIH61 Omaha, NE - Off the air again

Removing streams from service rather than blast static

http://chappelleweather.com:8000/NOAA/KIH61.mp3
http://wxradio.dyndns.org:8000/NOAA/KIH61.mp3

000
NOUS43 KOAX 021418
PNSOAX
IAZ055-069-079-NEZ034-044-045-051>053-067-021500-

Public Information Statement
National Weather Service Omaha/Valley NE
915 AM CDT Tue May 2 2017

...OMAHA NOAA WEATHER RADIO OFF THE AIR...

We are still having intermittent difficulty maintaining a stable
communication line for the Omaha NOAA weather radio station KIH61
broadcasting on 162.400 megahertz. Our technicians continue to
troubleshoot the problem. We apologize for any inconvenience that
this outage may cause and hope to resolve the problem soon.

$$


11:25AM - KIH61 is back up (for now at least).  Streams restored.
Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: 92merc on May 02, 2017, 11:29:51 AM
What do you have to do to get Tune In to list a stream?
Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: Otis on May 02, 2017, 11:40:23 AM
You need to either add your station or update existing station.  Start here.
http://tunein.com/broadcasters/ (http://tunein.com/broadcasters/)
Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: Cutty Sark Sailor on May 03, 2017, 10:33:15 PM
.... and catching Orillia ON Canadian Coast Guard Marine Weather brings us to

143 streams as of 05/03/2017
NoaaWeatherRadio.org (http://noaaweatherradio.org) 'bout as simple as we could make itl   :roll:
Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: Cutty Sark Sailor on May 04, 2017, 01:35:53 PM
Well, ahem.. that total didn't stand long...
146 streams listed as of 05/04/2017
(http://noaaweatherradio.org/misc/blowmeaway.png)
Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: Cutty Sark Sailor on May 06, 2017, 10:06:07 AM


148 streams listed as of 05/06/2017
Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: Cutty Sark Sailor on May 09, 2017, 03:05:52 PM

150 streams listed as of 05/09/2017

We'll begin 'quality' and 'online' 'audit' next few days...
Yes, the Owenton KY transmitter is busted at the moment...

I've a couple of audio "tags" on server that I may insert instead a feed
if "no broadcast' or very bad quality,  until resolved...
Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: tim273 on May 09, 2017, 03:35:05 PM

150 streams listed as of 05/09/2017

We'll begin 'quality' and 'online' 'audit' next few days...
Yes, the Owenton KY transmitter is busted at the moment...

I've a couple of audio "tags" on server that I may insert instead a feed
if "no broadcast' or very bad quality,  until resolved...

That's cool.  Just a suggestion is to add the type of stream/hardware used, for example a Raspberry Pi/Darkice setup has this much uptime compared to Windows/laptop, desktop, etc so people can see the best options for stream reliability, at least for those who give that information.
Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: Cutty Sark Sailor on May 09, 2017, 04:34:43 PM
Actually, just did an audit... I've 'inactivated' 18 streams... most are temporary, I hope.. .for example at least two are for transmitter issues.... a couple for extremely lousy content...
there's no difference in percentage between Pi or other types.. about even across the spectrum... most are simply due to folks not paying attention and checking once in awhile, in my opinion... also about even perceentages from 'our' icecast, virsus other sources.  About 6 or so appear to have simply lost audio from the receiver... stream still active, but no audio.
There are about 5 which I think maybe we just ought to 'unlist' since they appear to have consistent 'down time', but again I think that's operators problems not software or platform..

A bigger irritation to me, personally, is the variation in audio levels between stations.... a lot of the extremely low, or extremely loud streams are from 'direct access' or being 'ripped' from other sources, rather than from the folks following this board... and/or streaming through Chris' Icecast.
Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: heatcats on May 10, 2017, 04:33:29 AM
WWF56 Rattlesnake/Tri Cities, WA feed is back on the air as of 0133 PDT.
Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: Cutty Sark Sailor on May 10, 2017, 05:09:48 AM
WWF56 Rattlesnake/Tri Cities, WA feed is back on the air as of 0133 PDT.
Gotcha... The Owenton KY transmitter is back in service this morning also.
Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: Cutty Sark Sailor on May 14, 2017, 06:49:34 AM

151 streams listed as of 05/14/2017
Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: SteveFitz1 on May 14, 2017, 08:12:23 AM
My stream is currently listed as inactive at noaaweatherradio.org, but it's working just fine - TylerTexasWeather.Com.

Steve
Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: Cutty Sark Sailor on May 14, 2017, 08:59:52 AM
My stream is currently listed as inactive at noaaweatherradio.org, but it's working just fine - TylerTexasWeather.Com.

Steve
Hi Steve...
Yes, it is re-enabled.  The stream had been offline when an audit was done earlier this week...
Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: SteveFitz1 on May 14, 2017, 09:27:08 AM
My stream is currently listed as inactive at noaaweatherradio.org, but it's working just fine - TylerTexasWeather.Com.

Steve
Hi Steve...
Yes, it is re-enabled.  The stream had been offline when an audit was done earlier this week...

Thanks very much. Not sure when it went off line. We've had quite of bit of severe weather lately and the wxradio stream has been been getting quite a bit of activity. Thanks for putting your site together.

Steve
Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: Cutty Sark Sailor on May 14, 2017, 09:43:15 AM
My stream is currently listed as inactive at noaaweatherradio.org, but it's working just fine - TylerTexasWeather.Com.

Steve
Hi Steve...
Yes, it is re-enabled.  The stream had been offline when an audit was done earlier this week...

Thanks very much. Not sure when it went off line. We've had quite of bit of severe weather lately and the wxradio stream has been been getting quite a bit of activity. Thanks for putting your site together.

Steve
Thanks for Joining it! Save a life!
No... I try to 'run through' the streams every week or so, if I have time.. if I catch a dead or bad stream, I note it and go back and check it later that day, or the next, before I 'flag' it... I think it was dead afternoon of the 9th and then again early AM on the 10th. Then I try to check any I've disabled the next day, or later that day.  So I suspect yours was off until at least the night of the 10th. I don't remember if the feed itself was dead, or just the audio... WXK36 was still on the air, however.  I'll attempt to pay more attention to 'what died' next time I run through them, if I can determine that... might help somebody if they had a problem frequently
Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: Fox_Of_The_Wind on May 14, 2017, 03:23:41 PM
I guess that is one good thing about living in the middle of no place. Not much demand on the weather radio stream. I think I have had a max of like 3 at once so far. and I could say that the hits are most likely coming from me.

 Its still neat that I am helping (even if its like .1%)
Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: Cutty Sark Sailor on May 14, 2017, 04:01:10 PM
I guess that is one good thing about living in the middle of no place. Not much demand on the weather radio stream. I think I have had a max of like 3 at once so far. and I could say that the hits are most likely coming from me.

 Its still neat that I am helping (even if its like .1%)
Right now, I'd say 3 at once ain't too shabby!  Considering that the page is just now showing up in search engines, the world isn't really aware it's available, Wunderground screwed a whole TON of pages and stream lists, and a lot of folks who might have used them may have 'quit searching'... there are scads of web pages still out there trying to link to Wunderweenies feeds... and scores of 'dead feeds' on various 'major' sites like TunedIn, Streema, etc...
Think about it a moment... this community and a handful of directly involved 'staff' have provided or searched out 151 listings!  And as a few minutes ago, only 8 were 'not active'...   
Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: Cutty Sark Sailor on May 14, 2017, 11:14:03 PM
152 streams listed as of 05/14/2017
(152 is a Pi feed, Tim...)
Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: tim273 on May 15, 2017, 08:10:57 AM
152 streams listed as of 05/14/2017
(152 is a Pi feed, Tim...)
Cool!

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Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: Cutty Sark Sailor on May 16, 2017, 07:45:24 AM
The Neah Bay experimental direct audio feed from Seattle WFO has been removed from the player list, at least temporarily.  There are a small number of 'feeds' listed that may be removed since they appear to be 'permanently' dead or 'unattended' for some time.

If anyone needs to add, change or update a feed, or notify us otherwise, there's the form on the site that can be used, it goes to 3 of us who monitor the site and the available scripts for your sites...
an additional 'report' form for bad or dead links, comments, etc is forthcoming.... if I ever get time. :roll:
Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: Cutty Sark Sailor on May 16, 2017, 06:42:08 PM
 :grin: And Chris in Fort Wayne brings us back up to
153 streams listed as of 05/16/2017
Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: Cutty Sark Sailor on May 26, 2017, 09:22:02 AM

154 streams listed as of 05/26/2017
Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: Cutty Sark Sailor on May 31, 2017, 06:10:06 PM
Scott G and Innisfil Weather brings Collingwood EC Radio online
and becomes listed stream # 155 as of 05/31/2017
Need more EC, Alaska, etc...

Number 156 on the station player would be National Hurricane Center's Seasonal Tropical Storm audio,
assuming it's activated tomorrow (June 1) currently running in 'test' mode
Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: tim273 on May 31, 2017, 06:45:32 PM
Scott G and Innisfil Weather brings Collingwood EC Radio online
and becomes listed stream # 155 as of 05/31/2017
Need more EC, Alaska, etc...

Number 156 on the station player would be National Hurricane Center's Seasonal Tropical Storm audio,
assuming it's activated tomorrow (June 1) currently running in 'test' mode

Awesome!  Have you kept track of listener count or site views?  I suppose that might be hard to do.  I installed something called Piwik (https://piwik.org) on my Icecast server to keep track of site view history, it's free and not too hard to install on Ubuntu Linux. 
Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: Cutty Sark Sailor on May 31, 2017, 07:19:06 PM
Not yet, Tim... rough stats:
353 visits per day avg for May
4600 hits per day avg for May
Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: Cutty Sark Sailor on June 01, 2017, 08:43:13 AM
156 streams listed as of 06/01/2017
New Direct Audio Feed
US National Hurricane Center Tropical Weather Outlook
Active during storm season June 1 - November 30.
Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: Cutty Sark Sailor on June 08, 2017, 07:18:20 PM

157 streams listed as of 06/08/2017
Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: satcop on June 10, 2017, 09:05:09 AM
Updated 6/10 at 7:50 thank you Falmouth, ME

I put together a spreadsheet to get some stats and to track how we are doing picking up NOAA station streams.   Each line is color coded based on whether there is a stream available and or whether one was available from WU.  Sorry I did not do this for Canada yet, next project, and yes the Canadian stations add to the total counts.  By the way Bermuda and Mexico I understand also have weather station broadcasts, is there anyone out there who will put up those feeds so that I would have additional projects?

There appears to be a total of 1028 NOAA stations.  Of those the percentage of stations provided by NOAAWeatherradio.org is 15.0% of the existing NOAA stations.  Which is higher than what WU had when it quit providing the service 13.7%.  Now we haven't done to badly putting those stations back online, of those previously provided by WU, noaaweatherradio.org now has 60.5% of them.  In addition we have also attracted a good proportion of stations that were not provided previously by WU, 44.4% of the stations on noaaweatherradio.org were not on WU.  In addition 1.4% of NOAA stations have a redundant stream online, something that WU had but you had to know where to look.

Now if we could only get those stations that haven't come back, we would have over 200 stations online with 183 different stations not counting redundant ones or the EC ones from Canada. This would increase the percentage of NOAA stations that are actually streamed to 17.8%.  Note that there is still a large number of stations just sitting on the tree waiting for the picking, I suspect that it covers a wide proportion of territory, but it is likely that those that cover the high population areas are somewhat covered, Denver is a glaring exception.

There are several states that have very low percentages of stations streamed, but that was also true for WU.  Some simply because of their size such as Alaska,Texas or California and I understand the difficulty of streaming from Alaska.  That being said I wish we could get some more of them out there where there are clear holes.  Colorado is a state that did much better with WU, where did they all go? I know that there have been some changes out there in the last couple of years, maybe people don't worry about the weather anymore for some reason....   I have to believe that there are weather websites in many of the areas not covered that would benefit from a feed, and also provide the service to those who use their information.  Further many sites may be able to add a neighboring station (I know several of us do that) as the reception is good enough to provide the service.

Bob
Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: gwwilk on June 10, 2017, 10:00:52 AM
Wow!  That's impressive work, Bob.  =D&gt; =D&gt;

Not sure how you gathered all of the information, but it's very comprehensive and informative.

Let's hope it spurs some more to get into the streaming act with us. :-)
Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO - List of old WU feeds
Post by: sacreyweather on June 10, 2017, 12:32:32 PM
Hi Folks,

Below is a list of the old WU feeds we currently do not have running.


AL   Huntsville           KIH20    162.400                  
AL   Florence           KIH57    162.475                  
CA   Yosemite           KAD94   162.450                  
CA   Grass Valley   WWF67   162.400            
CA   El Paso Mountns.   WNG659   162.425                  
CO   Walsenburg   WNG579   162.450                  
CO   Denver             KEC76   162.550         
CO   Fort Collins/Ault   WXM92   162.450                  
CO   Dillon           WNG737   162.400                  
CO   Mead/Longmont   WXM51   162.475                  
CT   Hartford           WXJ41   162.475                  
FL   Tampa Bay           KHB32   162.550                  
FL   Melbourne           WXJ70   162.550                  
FL   Sarasota           WWG59   162.400                  
GA   Augusta           WXK54   162.550                  
GA   Jesup                   WXJ28   162.450                  
IA   Cedar Rapids   WXL61   162.475                  
IL   Springfield           WXJ75   162.400                  
IL   Dixon           KZZ55   162.525                  
IL   Peoria           WXJ71   162.475                  
IN   Evansville           KIG76   162.550      
IN   Angola           KXI94   162.425                  
IN   Fort Wayne           WXJ58   162.550   
IN   Bloomington   WXM78   162.450                  
KY   Irvine           WNG727   162.475                  
KY   Mount Vernon   WWG70   162.425                  
ME   Falmouth           KDO95   162.550
MI   West Olive           WXN99   162.425                  
MN   Lake Bronson   WNG583   162.525                  
MO   Camdenton           WXJ90   162.550
MO   Hannibal           WXK82   162.475                  
MO   Branson           KZZ43   162.550                  
NC   Rocky Mount   WXL59   162.475            
NC   Henderson           WNG586   162.500                  
NC   Asheville           WXL56   162.400                  
NE   Holdrege           WXL75   162.475                  
NE   Grand Island   WXL74   162.400         
NJ   Atlantic City   KHB38   162.400                  
NY   Syracuse           WXL31   162.550                  
NY   Norwich           KHC49   162.525                  
PA   Erie                   KEC58   162.400                  
RI   Providence           WXJ39   162.400                  
SC   Charleston           KHB29   162.550                  
SD   Sioux Falls           WXM28   162.400                  
TN   Nashville           KIG79   162.550                  
TN   Vale                   KHA46   162.450            
TX   Wichita Falls   WXK31   162.475         
TX   San Angelo           WXK33   162.550                  
TX   Houston           KGG68   162.400                  
VT   Burlington           KIG60   162.400   
WY   Cheyenne           WXM37   162.550                  
      
There may a couple I missed in putting them on the "active" list. If so, my apologies.  Most of the above had no contact information, nor websites.


John
Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: Cutty Sark Sailor on June 10, 2017, 07:23:12 PM
 :grin:  You can take Falmouth Maine off the "missing" WU feeds and
 add Ed's Scarborough Weather stream to Active DynDns

158 streams listed as of 06/10/2017
Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: Otis on June 10, 2017, 07:31:02 PM
In addition 1.4% of NOAA stations have a redundant stream online, something that WU had but you had to know where to look.

Nice work.
Question - what are you considering for redundant streams?  TuneIn (http://tunein.com/radio/Petoskey-MI-NOAA-Weather-Radio-162475-s256262/) internet radio picks up my stream directly from my system; they also pick up many others.

Anyway, again, nice work - everyone!
Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: sacreyweather on June 10, 2017, 07:39:23 PM
Hi Otis,

What we call a redundant stream is a NOAA Weather Radio stream from several people broadcasting the same callsign (e.g. - KEC49 out of Monterey, CA) There are 2 streams broadcasting this same callsign.

John
Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: saratogaWX on June 10, 2017, 08:44:33 PM
I plead guilty to providing redundant streams :)

I stream KEC49 (Monterey) directly from BroadWave on my PC and to wxradio.dyndns.org via edcast.
Also stream WWF64 (Monterey Marine) directly from a Raspberry Pi3/SDR via icecast and to wxradio.dyndns.org via darkice.
Per our convention, the main streams are on wxradio.dyndns.org, and the alternative (redundant) feeds are my local ones.

I like the diversity so if (heaven forfend) wxradio.dyndns.org server goes down, my local streams will still be available.
Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: satcop on June 10, 2017, 09:03:50 PM
I plead guilty to providing redundant streams :)

I stream KEC49 (Monterey) directly from BroadWave on my PC and to wxradio.dyndns.org via edcast.
Also stream WWF64 (Monterey Marine) directly from a Raspberry Pi3/SDR via icecast and to wxradio.dyndns.org via darkice.
Per our convention, the main streams are on wxradio.dyndns.org, and the alternative (redundant) feeds are my local ones.

I like the diversity so if (heaven forfend) wxradio.dyndns.org server goes down, my local streams will still be available.
I do something similar to Ken for Manassas and Hagerstown, with local host and wxradio host.  In addition there are further redundancy as others also provide the streams so if I lose power etc the stream is still available, so multiple paths, multiple hosts and multiple origination, get the feed to the public....
Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: mikev on June 10, 2017, 10:28:17 PM
I do something similar to Ken for Manassas and Hagerstown, with local host and wxradio host.  In addition there are further redundancy as others also provide the streams so if I lose power etc the stream is still available, so multiple paths, multiple hosts and multiple origination, get the feed to the public....
Yeah, I think Manassas VA (KHB36) is the most redundant one... Your feed, my feed, and two Alert Eagle feeds (one from Thunder Eagle themselves, the other from Montgomery County MD). A good number of others have two sources (with two originators in most cases), and one has three sources (Roanoke VA)... but Manassas is the only one with four different sources as far as I could tell!

Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: Otis on June 11, 2017, 06:39:27 AM
Thanks John (Ken & Mike) you all have answered my question.
Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: Cutty Sark Sailor on June 13, 2017, 05:41:18 PM
159 streams listed as of 06/12/2017

Will be doing a quality check and active feed check next few days...  so might check your streams....
 :grin:
Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: Cutty Sark Sailor on June 14, 2017, 04:23:18 AM
160 streams listed as of 06/14/2017
and we've knocked off 2 more Stations from John's Wunderground Wanderers List:
CT   Hartford           WXJ41   162.475   from somebody :?:
ME   Falmouth           KDO95   162.550  from ScarboroughWeather (http://etaggart.com/weather/)
Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: heatcats on June 15, 2017, 09:26:56 PM
I have changed the link to my live stream feed to http://wxradio.dyndns.org:8000/heatcats.mp3.m3u

This is in order to support broadcasting either WXM48 Wenatchee 162.475 or WWF56 Tri Cities 162.450 depending on the circumstances.

In addition, my feed will be offline except during hazardous weather events and non-weather emergencies. I'll tweet (@heatcats7) before I turn the feed on.

Finally, after September 15, since I'm moving off to university, I will no longer be able to stream WWF56/WXM48 at all.
Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: Cutty Sark Sailor on June 16, 2017, 06:55:09 PM
WELL   #-o

Bad day to begin Quality Checks!   MANY Dead streams!
This seems abnormal for us, so I stopped ....
... when I discovered that MY Owenton KY feed was down
because the stupid WIN 10 machine had shut off after
that dang Microsoft update cycle... and naturally did not restart.   ](*,)
Figure something similar may have happened to others... whatever...
unusual...

So for now, check your feeds... a few are marked... possibly in error...
Will start over in a few days...

Listen for HUM... many feeds have hum... check cables, eg.
Some are very noisy, and we'll start to flag them... mostly
due to signal noise... can be easily fixed... see the 'how to' about antennas...
Check your volume level per How To... if all else fails, set for appoarent 'ear level'
through the player online, compared to the 'flying pigs' track.

Looks right now that we'll be permanently removing maybe at least six listings....
the persistent off-line or known problematic streams ....
and quality on many more is marginal to poor and some may be 'disabled' until improved...
"poors definitely will" especially when there's an alternate, or duplicate feed available.
Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: mikev on June 16, 2017, 10:42:57 PM
... when I discovered that MY Owenton KY feed was down
because the stupid WIN 10 machine had shut off after
that dang Microsoft update cycle... and naturally did not restart.   ](*,)

A few tips for Windows 10 and updates...

Pro tip 1: The SECOND Tuesday of EVERY month is Patch Tuesday. Mark it on your calendar! Updates will download!

Pro tip 2: After the "Creator's Update" to Windows 10 that was released back in April, there's now a "Pause Updates" switch. It will not download or install updates for ~1 month or until unpaused, whichever comes first. So if an emergency update came out off-cycle, your computer would not install or reboot unexpectedly. This gives a little more control over when your computer updates, at least. Just note that when unpaused, it can't be paused again until the computer is up-to-date.

Pro tip 3: Set "Active Hours" so that the computer will only reboot due to updates overnight. I have my "Active Hours" set from 6:00a to 12:00a (prior to the "Creator's Update", you could only have a 12 hour "Active Hours" window), so if I forget and updates auto-install, the computer will only restart between midnight and 6:00a. Since I always check my feed in the morning, that means it would most likely only be down during hours when not many, if any, are listening.

The Pause Updates switch is under the Advanced Options in Settings > Update & Security > Windows Update.
Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: Cutty Sark Sailor on June 17, 2017, 12:07:59 AM
... when I discovered that MY Owenton KY feed was down
because the stupid WIN 10 machine had shut off after
that dang Microsoft update cycle... and naturally did not restart.   ](*,)

A few tips for Windows 10 and updates...

Pro tip 1: The SECOND Tuesday of EVERY month is Patch Tuesday. Mark it on your calendar! Updates will download!

Pro tip 2: After the "Creator's Update" to Windows 10 that was released back in April, there's now a "Pause Updates" switch. It will not download or install updates for ~1 month or until unpaused, whichever comes first. So if an emergency update came out off-cycle, your computer would not install or reboot unexpectedly. This gives a little more control over when your computer updates, at least. Just note that when unpaused, it can't be paused again until the computer is up-to-date.

Pro tip 3: Set "Active Hours" so that the computer will only reboot due to updates overnight. I have my "Active Hours" set from 6:00a to 12:00a (prior to the "Creator's Update", you could only have a 12 hour "Active Hours" window), so if I forget and updates auto-install, the computer will only restart between midnight and 6:00a. Since I always check my feed in the morning, that means it would most likely only be down during hours when not many, if any, are listening.

The Pause Updates switch is under the Advanced Options in Settings > Update & Security > Windows Update.
Thanks... but that's not the big issue..
.. a few folks aren't checking their streams as they might worry CWOP or other service about being off a point or two on humidity...that's the biggie... that's why there're so many sites out there still unaware Wunderground Whacked 'em  6 months ago.  And we promised NOAA reliability and best quality we could source and achieve...

The stream I mentioned was online last night,.  That's not Tuesday. So my suggestion is trust nothing, just check streams once in awhile  if you're a provider...


So, now, let me repeat my post, since it got bumped down:
----------------------

WELL   #-o

Bad day to begin Quality Checks!   MANY Dead streams!
This seems abnormal for us, so I stopped ....
... when I discovered that MY Owenton KY feed was down
because the stupid WIN 10 machine had shut off after
that dang Microsoft update cycle... and naturally did not restart.   ](*,)
Figure something similar may have happened to others... whatever...
unusual...

So for now, check your feeds... a few are marked... possibly in error...
Will start over in a few days...

Listen for HUM... many feeds have hum... check cables, eg.
Some are very noisy, and we'll start to flag them... mostly
due to signal noise... can be easily fixed... see the 'how to' about antennas...
Check your volume level per How To... if all else fails, set for appoarent 'ear level'
through the player online, compared to the 'flying pigs' track.

Looks right now that we'll be permanently removing maybe at least six listings....
the persistent off-line or known problematic streams ....
and quality on many more is marginal to poor and some may be 'disabled' until improved...
"poors definitely will" especially when there's an alternate, or duplicate feed available.
Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: Cutty Sark Sailor on June 22, 2017, 05:57:16 PM

161 streams listed as of 06/22/2017
Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: Cutty Sark Sailor on June 23, 2017, 12:12:46 AM

161 streams listed as of 06/22/2017
162 streams listed as of 06/23/2017
 \:D/
Outstanding, PWS operators, and associates!  Who'da thunk it a few months ago!
Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: Helmsword on June 23, 2017, 12:35:59 AM

161 streams listed as of 06/22/2017
162 streams listed as of 06/23/2017
 \:D/
Outstanding, PWS operators, and associates!  Who'da thunk it a few months ago!

And another one checked off the WU List of streams!
Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: W9LRT on June 23, 2017, 09:36:57 AM
I'm a little late to this thread...  Is there someplace that has configuration information to setup a feed of my local weather service radio feed to your page?  Hoping to avoid going through 25 pages of post to find the information if it is available on a page somewhere.

I live in an area where I should be able to receive a couple locations not on your list.

Thanks
Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: Cutty Sark Sailor on June 23, 2017, 09:47:02 AM
Heh,... you're not late!
try this:
http://noaaweatherradio.org/howto.html
still a bit 'disorganized'... but it's been a hectic affair!
Chers!
Mike
Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: Cutty Sark Sailor on June 23, 2017, 06:36:22 PM
ok... NOW, many of you know my feeling about 'anti-social media".... but maintain a very low profile 'connection' purely for 'weather info' alerts, etc,....
I've received numerous msgs regarding the NOAAWR.ORG feeds.... so...
Plaster your Twitter to your local NWS with something similar to

We now have 160+ NOAA All Hazards Weather Radio streams listed at http://noaaweatherradio.org/  from PWS operators in North America
http://noaaweatherradio.org

Heck with 'Farcebook" ... just use the twitter....
NOAA likes what we're doing... let's let local WFO's know what's really happening....

Ken,John, Bob, et.al.. working on major updates to the presentation, and PWS scripts!  Stay Tuned!
Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: Cutty Sark Sailor on June 24, 2017, 08:36:56 AM
ok... NOW, many of you know my feeling about 'anti-social media".... but maintain a very low profile 'connection' purely for 'weather info' alerts, etc,....
I've received numerous msgs regarding the NOAAWR.ORG feeds.... so...
Plaster your Twitter to your local NWS with something similar to

We now have 160+ NOAA All Hazards Weather Radio streams listed at http://noaaweatherradio.org/  from PWS operators in North America
http://noaaweatherradio.org

Heck with 'Farcebook" ... just use the twitter....
NOAA likes what we're doing... let's let local WFO's know what's really happening....

Ken,John, Bob, et.al.. working on major updates to the presentation, and PWS scripts!  Stay Tuned!

...and I've a feeling our next big project may be 'weather cams'.... I simply don't believe that "Big Blue" aka 'Weather Company" "Used2B Weather Underground" will continue such without some major diddling,...   all they 'really' want is your stats, which they can scrape from CWOP/Mesonet...  so it's really getting 'close' to a time PWS folks need to speak up... it's OUR product... not theirs.
Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: Fox_Of_The_Wind on June 28, 2017, 06:53:50 PM
ok... NOW, many of you know my feeling about 'anti-social media".... but maintain a very low profile 'connection' purely for 'weather info' alerts, etc,....
I've received numerous msgs regarding the NOAAWR.ORG feeds.... so...
Plaster your Twitter to your local NWS with something similar to

We now have 160+ NOAA All Hazards Weather Radio streams listed at http://noaaweatherradio.org/  from PWS operators in North America
http://noaaweatherradio.org

Heck with 'Farcebook" ... just use the twitter....
NOAA likes what we're doing... let's let local WFO's know what's really happening....

Ken,John, Bob, et.al.. working on major updates to the presentation, and PWS scripts!  Stay Tuned!

...and I've a feeling our next big project may be 'weather cams'.... I simply don't believe that "Big Blue" aka 'Weather Company" "Used2B Weather Underground" will continue such without some major diddling,...   all they 'really' want is your stats, which they can scrape from CWOP/Mesonet...  so it's really getting 'close' to a time PWS folks need to speak up... it's OUR product... not theirs.

I gave up with WU for my webcams. So if you do go with it. I would be in (just to post webcams).....am not good at scripting :-(
Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: saratogaWX on June 28, 2017, 11:48:18 PM
Thanks to Clifton Weather(satcop)/Lincoln Weather(gwwilik)/Echo Valley Weather(sacreyweather) for their pioneering efforts to have a great looking stream player for the noaaweatherradio.org streams, I've put together a modified version that has both standalone and Saratoga template versions.

You can see it operating on my site at https://saratoga-weather.org/radio.php

The script set is available at https://saratoga-weather.org/scripts-wxradio.php#wxradio

It uses one master-file that is cached hourly from noaaweatherradio.org to drive the entire page, including generation of the dropdown selection box for available radio streams.  The distribution .zip files contain the scripts and images.  Customization details are on the scripts page above (and in comments on the main radios.php/wxradio.php scripts themselves).

Enjoy!
Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: satcop on June 29, 2017, 05:53:56 AM
Thanks Ken! :grin:

With the introduction of Ken's player and the fact that it self updates from the master file, =D&gt; I will be discontinuing support for the deluxe version of my player over the next month.  I have already switched my site over to Ken's player but I am maintaining for a short time the wxnoaaradio.php and its associated files because I know that many of you utilize those players for your sites.  Please consider Ken's version to be a MAJOR upgrade over wxnoaaradio.  \:D/

Bob
Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: gwwilk on June 29, 2017, 07:39:09 AM
Thanks Ken!  This is great work! =D&gt; :-)

I've found, however, on my test site that the stylesheet,
Code: [Select]
<link rel="stylesheet" href="https://maxcdn.bootstrapcdn.com/bootstrap/3.3.7/css/bootstrap.min.css">
conflicts with the style-switcher namespace in your 'Base-USA' distribution.  This causes display problems, not with the 'Blue' display, but with my preferred 'Black' display and the 'Dark' display.

I'm in the process of trying to sort this out after having downloaded 'bootstrap.css' from the linked site.  I may not get to it for a day or two though, because a kernel 'update' hosed my Debian Jessie server into a bootloop yesterday and after formatting the drive during a Debian Stretch installation I'm in the middle of restoring my 'selincolnwx.info' site.  Fortunately I had added a second HDD and mounted it as a Backup where the bulk of my site's code was preserved.  Still, I doubt my 'selincolnwx.info' site will be fully functioning again until some time next week.  There appear to be significant differences between 'Jessie' and 'Stretch'.
Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: gwwilk on June 29, 2017, 08:28:04 AM
Two changes to 'bootstrap.css' were needed:
Code: [Select]
body {
  font-family: "Helvetica Neue", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;
  font-size: 14px;
  line-height: 1.42857143;
  color: #333;
  background-color: #fff;
}
to
Code: [Select]
body {
  font-family: "Helvetica Neue", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;
  font-size: 14px;
  line-height: 1.42857143;
/*  color: #333;
  background-color: #fff; */
}
and
Code: [Select]
button,
input,
optgroup,
select,
textarea {
  margin: 0;
  font: inherit;
  color: inherit;
}
to
Code: [Select]
button,
input,
optgroup,
select,
textarea {
  margin: 0;
  font: inherit;
/*  color: inherit; */
}

The former style disabled the page background I had established, and the latter was causing the button text color problem.

I've attached a minified version as a text file.

It's now up on my site (https://www.gwwilkins.org/wxradio.php).
Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: tim273 on June 29, 2017, 08:52:20 AM
Two changes to 'bootstrap.css' were needed:

Nice job using Bootstrap!  I've done some Angular 2 but mostly backend Java web service type stuff (I'm a developer by trade).
Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: gwwilk on June 29, 2017, 09:14:11 AM
Two changes to 'bootstrap.css' were needed:

Nice job using Bootstrap!  I've done some Angular 2 but mostly backend Java web service type stuff (I'm a developer by trade).
Actually, it's Ken True's work.  I just fixed a couple of problems on my end.  :-)
Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: 92merc on June 29, 2017, 11:27:04 AM
Is there a way to make it auto-play when the page is opened?
Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: saratogaWX on June 29, 2017, 12:39:33 PM
Two changes to 'bootstrap.css' were needed:

Nice job using Bootstrap!  I've done some Angular 2 but mostly backend Java web service type stuff (I'm a developer by trade).
Actually, it's Ken True's work.  I just fixed a couple of problems on my end.  :-)
Thanks for the (underserved) credit.. the Bootstrap and jQuery were set up by (I think) Bob (satcop) .. I just 'stole with pride' (and permission) the scripts and retooled the JavaScript to generate the option list from the JSON (instead of a separate file).
I liked the styling and responsive design using Bootstrap, so kept it.  And jQuery use just made it easy to replace HTML text on the page.
So, my credit should be for modifying to use one JSON file for the data, some verbiage changes, JavaScript additions and overall packaging for release.  I also did the back-end programming to generate the JSON file from noaaweatherradio.org.  I'm really a 'back-end' guy too :)

Is there a way to make it auto-play when the page is opened?
Yes, but... I've of two minds about that.  I personally dislike having a page sound-off at me without letting me decide that is what I genuinely want (to hear something).  The current script will auto-play any other stream when selected by the dropdown box.

I'll add an option to the page to allow auto-play when first loaded, and add gwwilk change to the the bootstrap css (THANKS for that!)

Best regards,
Ken
Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: 92merc on June 29, 2017, 12:52:28 PM
Yeah, I understand the conflict with auto play.  I usually don't like that for video pages I go to.

The old page wouldn't auto play on my Android either.  Just on my Windows browsers.  So if it won't work consistently on both for auto play, I'd rather it stick with the way it behaves now and just not autoplay for any device.
Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: saratogaWX on June 29, 2017, 05:02:08 PM
Ok.. thanks to gwwilk for the Bootstrap fix and 92merc for the feature request.. I've updated the Saratoga template version to 1.01
It has a local of Bootstrap named bootstrap.3.3.7-mod.min.css. 
Added a $autoplaystartup flag to wxradio.php to control auto player start on page load (default =true; in distribution).
Changed files:
added bootstrap.3.3.7-mod.min.css
mod wxradio.php
mod include-wxradio.php
mod NWS-radios.js

Download the wxradio-template.zip and update those 4 files on your site from the script page (https://saratoga-weather.org/scripts-wxradio.php#wxradio).

NB.. I've not applied the changes to the Standalone version (still at V1.00).

Best regards,
Ken
Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: 92merc on June 29, 2017, 05:26:28 PM
Thanks!  Already in action.
Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: sacreyweather on June 29, 2017, 06:27:58 PM
Have mine here (https://sacrey.info/radios.php).

Thanks, Ken!!!!
Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: saratogaWX on June 29, 2017, 07:34:13 PM
Ok.. thanks to gwwilk for the Bootstrap fix and 92merc for the feature request.. I've updated the Saratoga template version to 1.01
It has a local of Bootstrap named bootstrap.3.3.7-mod.min.css. 
Added a $autoplaystartup flag to wxradio.php to control auto player start on page load (default =true; in distribution).
Changed files:
added bootstrap.3.3.7-mod.min.css
mod wxradio.php
mod include-wxradio.php
mod NWS-radios.js

Download the wxradio-template.zip and update those 4 files on your site from the script page (https://saratoga-weather.org/scripts-wxradio.php#wxradio).

NB.. I've not applied the changes to the Standalone version (still at V1.00).

Best regards,
Ken
The Standalone version is now updated too :)
Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: Fox_Of_The_Wind on June 29, 2017, 08:37:41 PM
Thanks to Clifton Weather(satcop)/Lincoln Weather(gwwilik)/Echo Valley Weather(sacreyweather) for their pioneering efforts to have a great looking stream player for the noaaweatherradio.org streams, I've put together a modified version that has both standalone and Saratoga template versions.

You can see it operating on my site at https://saratoga-weather.org/radio.php

The script set is available at https://saratoga-weather.org/scripts-wxradio.php#wxradio

It uses one master-file that is cached hourly from noaaweatherradio.org to drive the entire page, including generation of the dropdown selection box for available radio streams.  The distribution .zip files contain the scripts and images.  Customization details are on the scripts page above (and in comments on the main radios.php/wxradio.php scripts themselves).

Enjoy!


I been trying for the last hour to get the script to work. But it keeps saying that my google key is invalid. So my weather radio will stream but the map will not load. I know I must be missing something big. I have created a key a lot of times. Am I creating a wrong key? Could someone give me a hand on what the heck I am doing wrong?
Thanks!
 ](*,)

http://desotowiwx.com/wxradio.php
Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: sacreyweather on June 29, 2017, 09:00:13 PM
Hi Anthony,

The wxradio.php script down at the bottom of the page needs your key in the bolded section:

<script async defer
 src="https://maps.googleapis.com/maps/api/js?key=-replace-this-with-your-API-key-here-&amp;language=en"></script>

Try that and see if this corrects the issue.  I haven't updated my stand alone script to the newest one yet.

John
Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: Fox_Of_The_Wind on June 29, 2017, 09:32:50 PM
Hi Anthony,

The wxradio.php script down at the bottom of the page needs your key in the bolded section:

<script async defer
 src="https://maps.googleapis.com/maps/api/js?key=-replace-this-with-your-API-key-here-&amp;language=en"></script>

Try that and see if this corrects the issue.  I haven't updated my stand alone script to the newest one yet.

John

I don't see what you see :-( I seen the one more at the top with this in it:
Code: [Select]
$streamprovider = true; // =true if you provide a stream, =false if you don't provide a stream
//
//$googleAPI = ' XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX ' ; // your Google Maps API key
// note: A Settings.php entry of $SITE['googleAPI'] will override this entry.

I do have a code were the X's are I just changed it to upload here.
Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: sacreyweather on June 29, 2017, 09:45:52 PM
Hi Anthony,

The file you need to look at is "include-wxradio.php". The line I was talking about is down at the bottom of that page. For some reason, the Google map key isn't being transferred to there. May need to let Ken know. You should be able to copy your Google key and replace the "<?php echo $googleAPI; ?>" with your key. It "should" then.

Hope this helps,

John
Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: Fox_Of_The_Wind on June 29, 2017, 09:50:25 PM
Hi Anthony,

The file you need to look at is "include-wxradio.php". The line I was talking about is down at the bottom of that page. For some reason, the Google map key isn't being transferred to there. May need to let Ken know. You should be able to copy your Google key and replace the "<?php echo $googleAPI; ?>" with your key. It "should" then.

Hope this helps,

John


I able to get the script that is alone to work at http://desotowiwx.com/radioalone/radios.php So my key is ok.

Thanks I will look into it. thanks for your help :)
Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: saratogaWX on June 29, 2017, 09:53:29 PM
The issue is you've put $googleAPI = '...'; in your Settings.php.  It needs to be $SITE['googleAPI'] = '...'; to have it picked up by the script.

Also, you've included the base settings from wxradio.php there.. only the $SITE['googleAPI'] needs to be in Settings.php, the rest needs to remain in wxradio.php (like $startup, $streamprovider, $mapType and $autoplaystartup) .. those are ignored (overridden) by wxradio.php contents.
Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: Fox_Of_The_Wind on June 29, 2017, 10:32:52 PM
The issue is you've put $googleAPI = '...'; in your Settings.php.  It needs to be $SITE['googleAPI'] = '...'; to have it picked up by the script.

Also, you've included the base settings from wxradio.php there.. only the $SITE['googleAPI'] needs to be in Settings.php, the rest needs to remain in wxradio.php (like $startup, $streamprovider, $mapType and $autoplaystartup) .. those are ignored (overridden) by wxradio.php contents.

Thank you. That was it its working now.

thank you guys for all the help.
Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: saratogaWX on June 30, 2017, 04:35:08 PM
satcop just reported a problem with the wxradio.php script -- it wasn't working.

The issue was caused by some error messages included in the JS/JSON script which have now been fixed.

Refresh your cache of the file by running NWR-radios-data.php?cache on your website, then your radio script will work again.
Alternatively, you can just wait an hour for the cache to refresh :)

Sorry for the inconvenience.

Best regards,
Ken
Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: Cutty Sark Sailor on July 02, 2017, 09:40:45 PM
NOAAWeatherRadio.org (http://noaaweatherradio.org)  website upgrade NOW LIVE:

Ken True is calling this: "Phase 1" ...
(...though the rest of us involved since January would number it more like Phase 68 or something...)

...But..since KEN's spent days behind-the-scene updating the site, switching back and forth with templates and PWS scripts for the community, writing utilities and innovations to make this work
better, let 'im name it any ol'phase 'e wants!

VISIBLE CHANGES in "Phase 1"  (or "68")

NEW Station Status and Stream Quality Flags
(http://noaaweatherradio.org/misc/flags.png)


Latest Updated Active Radios / Streams Online
(http://noaaweatherradio.org/misc/active.png)


New Active Stations Coverage Map, with links to provider's Weather Page / Websites!
(http://noaaweatherradio.org/misc/coverage.png)


Most of the hard time is served behind the scenes... and most of the upgrades aren't visible....
Chris C (Crushed Box Software), Ken, Bob, John, Jim Mc, tim273, vreihen, mikev, Doug, Steve, Jeff, ... and others... I'm gonna forget somebody since my eyeballs have crossed and tangled up with my brain stem by now...sorry.

Truly a community project... the whole dang community gets a NOAAWRORGSTAR!
(http://noaaweatherradio.org/misc/noaawrorgstar.png)

And More To Come!...

Ken should be preparing PWS template and script updates for you all as I speak....
interfacing with the website, and saving you some headaches!
Mike

Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: saratogaWX on July 02, 2017, 09:47:04 PM
The updated graphics (no script updates since V1.01) are available
see the script page at https://saratoga-weather.org/scripts-wxradio.php#wxradio

The download links are at the bottom, and there are 3 new images in ./ajax-images/ in the .zip

Thanks to Mike for putting up with the 'changing the tires while the car is moving' behind the scenes and to Bob and John for working the kinks out of the PWS scripts.  Truly a team effort!
Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: Cutty Sark Sailor on July 04, 2017, 06:56:26 PM
More Improvements Today!

http://noaaweatherradio.org (http://noaaweatherradio.org)


Moved 'status flags' below player, and added info tooltip: as:
(http://noaaweatherradio.org/misc/index phase 1 b/qual.png)

(http://noaaweatherradio.org/misc/index phase 1 b/admin.png)

(http://noaaweatherradio.org/misc/index phase 1 b/navail.png)

NEW icon on coverage map
(http://noaaweatherradio.org/misc/index phase 1 b/covicon.jpg)

Moved 'dislaimer' section to the 'info' block, and modified presentation 'over' NAHR logo...
(http://noaaweatherradio.org/misc/index phase 1 b/info.png)

So, on main page, about all that's left is 'proper' nav once the rest of the site pages fall into place....
Cheers Folks!
Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: hunter362 on July 05, 2017, 12:17:57 AM
Just read this entire thread.. what a journey you have been through, great to see how far it's come!
Glad to be part of it now!  FYI, am unable to submit my info on noaaweatherradio.org  fill out the form ok for a new stream, but hitting Submit returns a 404 error.
Stream is there, WXL31, Syracuse, but courtesy of "anonymous"  :-(

Thanks Bill
http://weather.cerchia.com/ajax/wxradio.php
Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: Cutty Sark Sailor on July 05, 2017, 02:04:11 AM
Just read this entire thread.. what a journey you have been through, great to see how far it's come!
Glad to be part of it now!  FYI, am unable to submit my info on noaaweatherradio.org  fill out the form ok for a new stream, but hitting Submit returns a 404 error.
Stream is there, WXL31, Syracuse, but courtesy of "anonymous"  :-(

Thanks Bill
http://weather.cerchia.com/ajax/wxradio.php
:oops:   Cleaning up after the updates, inadvertently removed a file!   If you wouldn't mind, please try it again....

That form was a 'quickie' build, and it's revision etc. is part of the next phase... it's not very 'friendly' ...
Mike
Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: hunter362 on July 05, 2017, 09:37:42 AM
Success!  Tremendous job you all have done since January, came upon this thread last night looking for info on the dropdown stream list I saw on another site, started reading and followed the whole thread, 20 streams who's going to be 21... 30 40 50 and so on. It has turned out awsome!! everyone involved should feel proud of what has been accoplished and continues to get better!!

Bill
Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: Cutty Sark Sailor on July 05, 2017, 10:19:51 AM
Success!  Tremendous job you all have done since January, came upon this thread last night looking for info on the dropdown stream list I saw on another site, started reading and followed the whole thread, 20 streams who's going to be 21... 30 40 50 and so on. It has turned out awsome!! everyone involved should feel proud of what has been accoplished and continues to get better!!

Bill
Outstanding, BILL !  We'll get your fixed up as soon as we get our heads above water today!   Running a bit behind....Thanks for the kind words....
Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: saratogaWX on July 05, 2017, 06:49:44 PM
So, there's now a V1.04 available for the PWS standalone and template scripts (5-Jul-2017)

The primary changes are:
1) correcting the attribution for the original script to Doug of Chappellweather.com with the rest of us just modding it :)
2) adding a setting for $backgroundcolor for those who wish to control the background of the overall player page
3) in the template version, adding Settings.php entries so you can customize there and not have to modify the wxradio.php script itself.

Files changed:
NWR-radios.js  (in both versions)
radios.php  (in standalone)
wxradio.php (in template version)
include-wxradio.php (in template version)

Settings.php entries (for Saratoga template)
Code: [Select]
$SITE['WXRstartup'] = 'KEC49';   // override $startup in wxradio.php
$SITE['WXRprovider'] = true;     // override $streamprovider in wxradio.php
$SITE['WXRmaptype'] = 'terrain'; // override $mapType in wxradio.php
$SITE['WXRautoplay'] = true;     // override $autoplaystartup in wxradio.php
$SITE['WXRbackground'] = 'lavenderblush'; // override $backgroundColor in wxradio.php
// see https://www.w3schools.com/cssref/css_colors.asp for color names

See https://saratoga-weather.org/scripts-wxradio.php#wxradio for details and download.
Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: satcop on July 06, 2017, 09:21:20 AM
Thanks Ken! :grin:

With the introduction of Ken's player and the fact that it self updates from the master file, =D&gt; I will be discontinuing support for the deluxe version of my player over the next month.  I have already switched my site over to Ken's player but I am maintaining for a short time the wxnoaaradio.php and its associated files because I know that many of you utilize those players for your sites.  Please consider Ken's version to be a MAJOR upgrade over wxnoaaradio.  \:D/

Bob

I am going to make an assumption that most of you have converted over to Ken's software by now.  I plan on discontinuing station updates and software support for wxnoaaradio.php and its associated include file as of July 22.  If there is anyone who needs me to maintain the files beyond that date please PM me.

Bob
Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: Cutty Sark Sailor on July 06, 2017, 11:05:15 AM

Trying out multi-purpose
Stream Submission / Status Change /Update / Contact Form
http://noaaweatherradio.org/addstream/addstream.html
Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: Andy G on July 06, 2017, 12:03:33 PM

Trying out multi-purpose
Stream Submission / Status Change /Update / Contact Form
http://noaaweatherradio.org/addstream/addstream.html

Do you want people to give it a test run?
Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: Cutty Sark Sailor on July 06, 2017, 12:16:30 PM

Trying out multi-purpose
Stream Submission / Status Change /Update / Contact Form
http://noaaweatherradio.org/addstream/addstream.html

Do you want people to give it a test run?
Sure.. try it... if anyone does, though, remember a few things...
1. If you're just 'testing' it, make sure you indicate that in the 'comment' so we won't
be trying to track a change or something!!!!
2. Your input goes to me and three other trusted folk who are admin on site... and saved in an archive file also.
3. You'll get at least one email reply from site, and possibly follow up from one or more of us...

any feedback will be appreciated! 
Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: ed2kayak on July 07, 2017, 10:46:30 AM
Kudos to everyone involved with this project. =D&gt;

http://cvweather.org/wxradio.php
Title: Re: Quality
Post by: Cutty Sark Sailor on July 11, 2017, 07:46:58 PM
A new page: 
http://noaaweatherradio.org/quality/ (http://noaaweatherradio.org/quality/)
(http://noaaweatherradio.org/quality/media/video/nwrorg/pigs.jpg) (http://noaaweatherradio.org/quality/)
"Save a Life, ...but Look Out For Flying Pigs"

... other stuff happenin' 'hind tha seens, 2
Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: Cutty Sark Sailor on July 13, 2017, 06:43:14 AM
 :roll:
heh... another weather freak and I were discussing the home-built ugly shown at
http://noaaweatherradio.org/howto.html#ant
and he commented:
"... The trick is where to put it without the wife saying it does not look nice."

I responded with this solution (originally phrased slightly differently)
"Whatcha do is tie a raccoon tail to the vertical,
glue some pigeon feathers on the plane elements, let 'em flutter,
...add couple tatters of cat fur,
and tell her it's a MeteoNuts Dream Catcher,
 inspired by Native American culture,
and is of significant historical interest."


Another issue solved.
Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: Cutty Sark Sailor on July 14, 2017, 08:14:13 AM
:roll:
heh... another weather freak and I were discussing the home-built ugly shown at
http://noaaweatherradio.org/howto.html#ant
and he commented:
"... The trick is where to put it without the wife saying it does not look nice."

I responded with this solution (originally phrased slightly differently)
"Whatcha do is tie a raccoon tail to the vertical,
glue some pigeon feathers on the plane elements, let 'em flutter,
...add couple tatters of cat fur,
and tell her it's a MeteoNuts Dream Catcher,
 inspired by Native American culture,
and is of significant historical interest."


Another issue solved.

...and speaking of issues:

"Quality Page" http://noaaweatherradio.org/quality/
....added 'Fix It' links in 'grid'..

(http://noaaweatherradio.org/misc/fixit.jpg)
Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: Jumpin Joe on July 14, 2017, 09:00:40 AM
:roll:
heh... another weather freak and I were discussing the home-built ugly shown at
http://noaaweatherradio.org/howto.html#ant
and he commented:
"... The trick is where to put it without the wife saying it does not look nice."

I responded with this solution (originally phrased slightly differently)
"Whatcha do is tie a raccoon tail to the vertical,
glue some pigeon feathers on the plane elements, let 'em flutter,
...add couple tatters of cat fur,
and tell her it's a MeteoNuts Dream Catcher,
 inspired by Native American culture,
and is of significant historical interest."


Another issue solved.

Gee Mike... I really appreciate all of your help. I told her what you said and got thrown out of the house!! ... just kidding. Going to find a good hiding place for it. Hope to have it built by tomorrow.

Joe
Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: phillipdampier on July 14, 2017, 09:27:36 PM
It might be useful to put some ratings on the /quality/ page for each stream to give us an idea of how we are doing. A lot of times, feed providers may simply not be aware of the issues on their streams, and by putting it on a different page, you can subtly rate the streams without embarrassing anyone on the main page. I really believe a lot of the audio variability has to do with the weather radios themselves. I can usually pick out who is using a Reecom or Midland radio just based on the audio fidelity of those two units. Some of the tinny audio comes from those handheld or cheap Chinese units that are worse than landline quality. It's almost too bad the weather service doesn't supply free radios to those with a long record of streaming.  :-)  My Midland WR300 has been streaming audio 24/7 for more than a decade with no problems.

We might want to develop some ratings pages for different weather radio as a public service for consumers (and feed providers). I have found Reecom and certain Midland models to be excellent, as well as Sangean.

La Crosse, Sharper Image, Oregon Scientific, Sharper Image and Spectra... not so much.

http://www.nws.noaa.gov/nwr/info/nwrrcvr.html is NOAA's page of "approved" radios, although the criteria isn't as good as it should be.

Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: Cutty Sark Sailor on July 15, 2017, 11:08:01 AM
An excellent thought, for our purposes it may be a bit of 'overkill'...
But this is a community project, and if you'd like to create and maintain such an addition, we can see how the rest feel about it...  the current admin team has about all it can handle.
For one, even in our present configuration, Ken spent many hours developing back-end scripts to help the team in auditing streams... it's a lot simpler and faster now, but still very much an 'admin' chore! And very much 'subjective'... even with the 'broad' criteria we're using now for 'quality', each of us has a slightly different 'ear' on it at times!  Also we've noted that the 'quality' of a given stream can vary during the course of the day, for many reasons!

Incidentally, the new PWS scripts the team produced will sync back to the master files on NOAA Weather Radio ORG when it updates... I'm not sure, but I think they look for changes hourly, and self update with active streams only... I'm a bit behind in that area...  ](*,)

Generally, although the 'team' hasn't really discussed it in depth, I think the basic 'paradigm' is "a degraded stream is better than NO stream" in most locations, even though we may 'flag' it as 'marginal quality'.. we're reluctant to 'disable'.. and are more prone to 'disable' a 'worse' stream if there is an 'alternate' available. They're 'flagged' on the main list for the 'user' as well as the provider.

To see "how we're doing" simply compare your stream to either the 'reference track' or one of the 'disabled' mp3 tracks. Set your encoder within the published guidelines, and except for reception, you should be good to go.

The major quality factors and possible solutions are listed in the grid on "quality" page... and generally the biggest offenders are simply due to the provider failing to check and / or compare his own stream with others or the reference!

Reception is the biggest woe, followed very closely by, volume levels, single channel, and aliasing... hum is a prevalent artifact, and there's many a reason for that...
Personally, from a 'user" perspective, the 'volume' difference is my biggest pet peeve.. for an extreme example hear the "Bad Experience" audio track... lots of 'users' will move from feed to feed as much out of curiousity as for 'need"...

I too use the midland WR-300 ... two of 'em... one for Frankfort KY, which feeds directly from Broadwave, and the other for Owenton KY which feeds from BUTT to WxRadio Dyndns... The Frankfort Rcvr uses the built in rod, and Owenton has the homebuilt 'ugly' attached, since I'm 'fringe' for that transmitter... also have a Kaito portable with excellent speaker quality, but streams virtually the same as the Midlands, and cost more. Also have an old Radio Shack hand-held with lousy speaker, but streams about the same as the Midlands and Kaito...
BTW, the Owenton transmitter reception is used for the "poor signal - solved" audio example.

Personally, I'd hate to see us get involved with consumer / provider 'suggestions'... for several reasons:
First, it's difficult enough to entice someone to begin streaming, it seems. Look at all the "which station should I buy" threads and discussions...?
Heck, start cheap if that's what you own, get it online, ... a radio can always be upgraded if that's really the source of a quality issue!

Makes us look too commercial.
...and  how would you rate the Raspberry Pi RTL SDR, whose streams also vary in quality, and which we've numerous providers?
 
The device itself is immaterial for our puposes if the providers get too far out of whack with our established 'experiential' guidelines for streams... and don't check themselves online frequently. There's some fancy radios out there providing crappy streams.





Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: ValentineWeather on July 15, 2017, 12:21:21 PM
We can't all balance stereo stream.  I've tried the broadcast.m3v and it has no control, even going into sound card itself channels won't balance as you can see I'm 100% on #2 and can only raise level to -20.
Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: Cutty Sark Sailor on July 15, 2017, 01:41:59 PM
We can't all balance stereo stream.  I've tried the broadcast.m3v and it has no control, even going into sound card itself channels won't balance as you can see I'm 100% on #2 and can only raise level to -20.
That's strange. I use a mono out to 2 channel splitter into L & R line inputs, and only time I had that issue was with a bad 'splitter' one channel was erratic... they should split the mono equally.
(http://noaaweatherradio.org/misc/adapter.jpg)
I've run M32 BUTT Broadwave MIXXX and some others with no issues on various machines splitting the audio out as two channels....
Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: ValentineWeather on July 15, 2017, 02:23:09 PM
I'm not running any 2 channel splitter its single line all the way from radio into soundcard. I also have a ground loop Noise Isolator inline which was needed to remove hum.
Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: Cutty Sark Sailor on July 15, 2017, 05:20:35 PM
I'm not running any 2 channel splitter its single line all the way from radio into soundcard.
...
...which is why I hinted at the splitter...  :roll: ...should give you balanced channels.
Title: Re: Quality
Post by: Bunty on July 17, 2017, 02:34:57 AM
A new page: 
http://noaaweatherradio.org/quality/ (http://noaaweatherradio.org/quality/)
(http://noaaweatherradio.org/quality/media/video/nwrorg/pigs.jpg) (http://noaaweatherradio.org/quality/)
"Save a Life, ...but Look Out For Flying Pigs"

... other stuff happenin' 'hind tha seens, 2

I think the  "marginal quality" indicator can be removed from my stream now.  I fixed the problem and now quality is surely better than the average stream.  I had set the microphone input level far too high and microphone boost set to max on the HP laptop.  So boost is off and mic level set at 50%.  Receiver used is a Sangean.

Stillwater NOAA Weather Radio:  http://stillwaterweather.com/wx/wxradio.php (http://stillwaterweather.com/wx/wxradio.php)
Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: Cutty Sark Sailor on July 17, 2017, 05:35:19 AM
A new page: 
http://noaaweatherradio.org/quality/ (http://noaaweatherradio.org/quality/)
(http://noaaweatherradio.org/quality/media/video/nwrorg/pigs.jpg) (http://noaaweatherradio.org/quality/)
"Save a Life, ...but Look Out For Flying Pigs"

... other stuff happenin' 'hind tha seens, 2

I think the  "marginal quality" indicator can be removed from my stream now.  I fixed the problem and now quality is surely better than the average stream.  I had set the microphone input level far too high and microphone boost set to max on the HP laptop.  So boost is off and mic level set at 50%.  Receiver used is a Sangean.

Stillwater NOAA Weather Radio:  http://stillwaterweather.com/wx/wxradio.php (http://stillwaterweather.com/wx/wxradio.php)
Good Show, Bunty!
(http://noaaweatherradio.org/misc/noaawrorgstar.png)
...MIC input could be a bit awkward, since it's already expecting a 'lower' level input signal than a 'line in' in most configurations... easy to 'overdrive'... especially when using an 'earphone' or 'external speaker' output from a receiver...
Glad you mentioned that, we might should add that as a "gotcha" to the text somewhere...
Mike

Did add it:  http://noaaweatherradio.org/howto.html#levels  Thanks Bunty!
Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: Cutty Sark Sailor on July 20, 2017, 10:53:17 AM
Folks, please check http://noaaweatherradio.org/about/
.. P.M. me if there any obvious errors, mistakes, etc...
We've tried our best to acknowledge ALL you fine folks who've offered help, support, good vibes... from the tiniest 'kudo' to the 'major players'...  Some of you, we only have an "alias" for, if you'd like your first name used, P.M. details... a few don't have site listed, if that needs updating, tell me PM...
It's a Community Deal,
and we hope we've omitted no one...
If that's happened, P.M. me and we'll try to get it fixed...

While there's still work to do and features to feature and fix,
a big thank you from the cross-eyed, brain frazzled development team! 
(http://noaaweatherradio.org/misc/arrgstar.png)
Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: tim273 on July 20, 2017, 11:14:55 AM
=D&gt;  UU
Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: gwwilk on July 20, 2017, 11:19:03 AM
Agreed!
=D&gt;  UU
Wow!  You're also a historian extraordinaire!

Above all, you were the 'Spark' behind this project, Mike.  (Sorry, couldn't resist...)
Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: Cutty Sark Sailor on July 20, 2017, 11:46:02 AM
Agreed!
=D&gt;  UU
Wow!  You're also a historian extraordinaire!
John Sacrey did the initial hard work on that history... rest of us just pulled it together and polished.... Can't say enough about John, Bob, especially KEN... , rest of you.  What a great bunch... you know, on that page we've 44 direct acknowledgements of support, from 22 states and provinces, and at least 3 countries....  #-o
Title: NO Stream. or Stream active but NO Audio
Post by: Cutty Sark Sailor on July 21, 2017, 10:08:11 AM
Some of this may be related to Windows 10 updates, on the automatic thing...
I've noticed on one of my machines, and also discussing with some others, that
sometimes the Encoder doesn't restart, or it restarts, but has 'forgotten' setting
for the audio source... maybe because setting wasn't saved...
That encoder 'setting' not saved may explain a few 'noise problems' or 'aliasing' after a
power outage, for e.g., or a system update and or restart.

Stream connects but no audio may simply be the radio has turned itself off, or didn't turn back on
after power outage, or an alert, -- or because the source wasn't 'saved' in encoder, but auto start and connect / mount-point were.
Even the 'line-in' audio in WIN not set as 'default' and saved.
Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: phillipdampier on July 21, 2017, 11:14:44 AM
This happens to me sometimes. I was down yesterday afternoon applying two months of updates and several reboots later and noticed Edcast exited on its own and then when I got it reconnected it wouldn't initially stay that way. Windows 10 has become such a nuisance I will be moving away from it later this summer to something that doesn't require more than an hour of downtime just applying tons of updates.
Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: tim273 on July 21, 2017, 11:32:55 AM
I will be moving away from it later this summer to something that doesn't require more than an hour of downtime just applying tons of updates.

(hint, hint) Raspberry Pi (hint, hint)   :grin:  FWIW, I can do updates to the Pi with zero downtime, unless a reboot is required. But updates are never forced.  Plus you could technically never update the Raspberry Pi and it would still work, but I don't recommend that.

https://www.raspberrypi.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=66&t=184850
Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: Cutty Sark Sailor on July 21, 2017, 11:52:55 AM
Phillip, you might try the BUTT encoder... it runs great on WIN 10, just save each setting and put it in 'start-up'... It has never dropped out on me 'on it's own', unless I've played with changing sample rates, or bitrates to some extreme while testing live.... I've dropped Edcast and it's clones from the How To encoder section,...
Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: 92merc on July 23, 2017, 12:10:26 PM
I can attest to the Pi's reliability.  The PI has been running 2 months straight now without a hiccup (knock on wood).  Even with other network drops I've had off/on, it rarely needs a reboot to get streaming back up to CBS.  I usually restart the service.  If that doesn't work, then reboot.  But I've only done that maybe 2-3 times since I started.
Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: gwwilk on July 23, 2017, 12:13:07 PM
I can attest to the Pi's reliability.
...
Same here.  Much more reliable than my Sangean weather radio feed because the weather radio will shut off automatically at times.  I've never had a problem with my Pi's feed.
Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: Cutty Sark Sailor on July 23, 2017, 02:54:14 PM

And, How Do You Guys Know This?   :twisted:
This happens to me sometimes. I was down yesterday afternoon ...
I can attest to the Pi's reliability. ...then reboot.  But I've only done that maybe 2-3 times since I started.
Same here.  ...the weather radio will shut off automatically at times.  I've never had a problem with my Pi's feed.

(http://noaaweatherradio.org/misc/noaawrorgstar.png)
...probably because you check your feeds frequently! 
(http://noaaweatherradio.org/misc/noaawrorgstar.png)
YAY  =D&gt;
Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: phillipdampier on July 24, 2017, 05:20:28 PM
I will be moving away from it later this summer to something that doesn't require more than an hour of downtime just applying tons of updates.

(hint, hint) Raspberry Pi (hint, hint)   :grin:  FWIW, I can do updates to the Pi with zero downtime, unless a reboot is required. But updates are never forced.  Plus you could technically never update the Raspberry Pi and it would still work, but I don't recommend that.

https://www.raspberrypi.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=66&t=184850

Yes, I already have my teeny tiny motherboard and memory chip to power it. I just have to devote the time to doing it. I'm also waiting for the local fiber to the home overbuilder to cover my neighborhood and then I'll move from Spectrum's 60Mbps to Greenlight's 1,000Mbps plan and boost the audio bitrate of the stream as well, although with the right CODEC KHA-53 Rochester sounds pretty good as-is.
Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: chappelledpc on July 24, 2017, 07:06:36 PM
Just to attest to Tim's comments on the Raspberry Pi platforms reliability, I've been running a WMR300 into a cheap USB audio dongle feeding DarkIce and Icecast running on the same Pi.  It's been up continuously since 04/08/2017 with no interruptions for my primary feed. 

I run my secondary feed on a second Pi using an RTL SDR and DarkIce (thanks to Tim's detailed how-to) streaming to Chris' Icecast Server (http://wxradio.dyndns.org).  They have both been extremely reliable!  I'd certainly recommend going with a Raspberry Pi for if you are thinking about delving into setting up a new or converting an existing stream.

 (http://[attachment id=1 msg=328625][/attachment])
Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: tmabell on July 24, 2017, 08:57:53 PM
I've read here about how many of the newer wx radios are giving people fits by turning themselves off (or by going into stand-by).  I don't have that problem here  :lol: as I am using a 1979 Bearcat scanner as my feed source  :shock:  If you have an old radio or scanner, you might have better luck with that.
Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: sacreyweather on July 24, 2017, 09:09:20 PM
I have had excellent service from my Reecom 1630 I got from Amazon.
Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: tim273 on July 24, 2017, 09:36:58 PM
Just to attest to Tim's comments on the Raspberry Pi platforms reliability, I've been running a WMR300 into a cheap USB audio dongle feeding DarkIce and Icecast running on the same Pi.  It's been up continuously since 04/08/2017 with no interruptions for my primary feed. 

I run my secondary feed on a second Pi using an RTL SDR and DarkIce (thanks to Tim's detailed how-to) streaming to Chris' Icecast Server (http://wxradio.dyndns.org).  They have both been extremely reliable!  I'd certainly recommend going with a Raspberry Pi for if you are thinking about delving into setting up a new or converting an existing stream.

 (http://[attachment id=1 msg=328625][/attachment])

I generally have the same experience, but I seem to have more internet connection issues, so there are occasional drops, but it always reconnects right away.

Whoever wrote Darkice did a good job.  =D&gt;  for them!
Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: Jumpin Joe on July 25, 2017, 12:27:01 PM
Problems m3w Streamer has prompted me to try butt.... i have used all of the info from m3w to get butt going and appartently got something wrong.
When I hit the play button all I get is connecting....  nothing more. Are the setting for the server info in butt different from m3w?

Thanks,
Joe
Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: Cutty Sark Sailor on July 25, 2017, 03:11:37 PM
You established a new mountpoint, the 'default':
"stream"
http://wxradio.dyndns.org:8000/stream
The webpages are looking for you at mountpoint
LibertyTownshipOH.mp3
http://wxradio.dyndns.org:8000/LibertyTownshipOH.mp3
Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: Cutty Sark Sailor on July 25, 2017, 03:12:54 PM
Problems m3w Streamer has prompted me to try butt.... i have used all of the info from m3w to get butt going and appartently got something wrong.
When I hit the play button all I get is connecting....  nothing more. Are the setting for the server info in butt different from m3w?

Thanks,
Joe
You established a new mountpoint, the 'default':
"stream"
http://wxradio.dyndns.org:8000/stream
The webpages are looking for you at mountpoint
LibertyTownshipOH.mp3
http://wxradio.dyndns.org:8000/LibertyTownshipOH.mp3

Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: Jumpin Joe on July 25, 2017, 03:27:32 PM
Problems m3w Streamer has prompted me to try butt.... i have used all of the info from m3w to get butt going and appartently got something wrong.
When I hit the play button all I get is connecting....  nothing more. Are the setting for the server info in butt different from m3w?

Thanks,
Joe
You established a new mountpoint, the 'default':
"stream"
http://wxradio.dyndns.org:8000/stream
The webpages are looking for you at mountpoint
LibertyTownshipOH.mp3
http://wxradio.dyndns.org:8000/LibertyTownshipOH.mp3

I have LibertyTownshipOH.mp3 as the mountpoint
and http://wxradio.dyndns.org:8000/LibertyTownshipOH.mp3 as the url

butt screen has connecting.....   

Not sure where the issue is??????


It now is streaming... Whew!!
Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: Cutty Sark Sailor on July 25, 2017, 03:42:30 PM


 :twisted:
(http://noaaweatherradio.org/misc/arrgstar.png)
 =D&gt;
Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: Cutty Sark Sailor on July 26, 2017, 07:41:49 AM
After a buncha fiddle, finally came up with a more "polished" script for the
Watches, Warnings, Advisories stream overlay page...
... more to do to finish, but check it out ... feedback welcome and encouraged.
http://noaaweatherradio.org/probwwa2 (http://noaaweatherradio.org/probwwa2)
(http://noaaweatherradio.org/misc/wwaeg.jpg)
Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: ValentineWeather on July 26, 2017, 04:29:51 PM
Looks good, were you going to add all feeds or does it get crowded?
Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: Cutty Sark Sailor on July 26, 2017, 05:21:18 PM
Yep, gets pretty crowded... not running any duplicates, 1st priority to PWS sites on WxRadio server, then PWS sites other, unless quality lousy, or operater specified specific primary... tricky in places..,. but able to get many more sites on than I'd initially figured, by using a different audio script... thought it would be pretty  arbitrary... Wisconsin was a challenge.
just takes a while to configure... but getting there... Helps that we've got a lot of 'dead feeds', or feeds that just aren't reliable... I'm not fooling with them... see if they 'improe'... ???? May pull a few off here that are a bit 'iffy' at times... we'll see how it goes.  Had a lot of personal request to get this polished off... there's a class of folk seem to like it.  ... and this thing isn't tied into the "one file to rule them all" suite Ken developed for the site.
Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: Jumpin Joe on July 27, 2017, 11:33:42 AM
I like it! Sure makes it simple to select a location.

Joe
Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: saratogaWX on July 27, 2017, 12:48:32 PM
Cutty.. I'm working to integrate it into the "one file" :)
Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: ed2kayak on July 29, 2017, 10:52:55 AM
Great job on this. I've always struggled to find broadcasts when traveling.  =D&gt;
 It displays ok on my phone as well.
Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: BigOkie on July 29, 2017, 08:47:19 PM
I have had excellent service from my Reecom 1630 I got from Amazon.

Just don't ask Reecom to comment on any issues you may have on Amazon; their customer service is terrible as far as the way they treat the customer.  I've never had to deal with their customer service as the Reecom I have works great, but I'll not buy another radio from them based on that alone.  I have a Uniden HomePatrol Scanner that works great as a weather radio also.
Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: Cutty Sark Sailor on July 31, 2017, 05:10:02 AM
Great job on this. I've always struggled to find broadcasts when traveling.  =D&gt;
 It displays ok on my phone as well.
Heh.. Ed...  :lol:
Remember in 2014, you and I saw the writing on the wall, tried to start something, and you were the only guy signed up with me????
 ](*,)
Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: Cutty Sark Sailor on July 31, 2017, 09:32:25 PM
Report to 'shareholders'... NOAA Weather Radio Org
That's this community, and many 'adjunct' friends...

Finally, pretty much have the site 'production', thanks in very large part to Ken True,
whose "One File" Rules Them All, now...  and the attention and monitoring of Satcop (Bob) and Sacreyweather (John).. and others too numerous to mention here.
the Watches Warnings Advisories (http://noaaweatherradio.org/probwwa2/index.php) page appears complete and functional
and after test driving and kicking the tires as Ken would say, we added an 'emergency brake' audio stop button...
(http://noaaweatherradio.org/misc/emergency brake.png)

The NAV
(http://noaaweatherradio.org/misc/nav.png)
is finished, for now, and the other pages have been 'brought into theme'...

For July, through the 30th, even with all the 'behind the scenes work', the site recorded:

over 13400 visits, averaging 433 daily
with almost 400,000 hits.

SEARCH Google: 
"NWR STREAM"  #2 behind, of all things, "Wunderground"s money on an obsolete page... unbelievable...
"NOAA Weather Radio #7 behind ads, WunderWeenies obsolence again, and Weather.Gov itself...
etc.etc..

You Folks are the best!
Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: Bunty on August 02, 2017, 02:04:09 AM
Ok.. thanks to gwwilk for the Bootstrap fix and 92merc for the feature request.. I've updated the Saratoga template version to 1.01
It has a local of Bootstrap named bootstrap.3.3.7-mod.min.css. 
Added a $autoplaystartup flag to wxradio.php to control auto player start on page load (default =true; in distribution).
Changed files:
added bootstrap.3.3.7-mod.min.css
mod wxradio.php
mod include-wxradio.php
mod NWS-radios.js

Download the wxradio-template.zip and update those 4 files on your site from the script page (https://saratoga-weather.org/scripts-wxradio.php#wxradio).

NB.. I've not applied the changes to the Standalone version (still at V1.00).

Best regards,
Ken

Mine isn't working at http://stillwaterweather.com/wx/wxradio.php (http://stillwaterweather.com/wx/wxradio.php).   Below, I got some java console error details I'm not bright enough to use for a fix:

The resource from “http://stillwaterweather.com/wx/NWR-radios-data.php” was blocked due to MIME type mismatch (X-Content-Type-Options: nosniff).  wxradio.php
The resource from “http://stillwaterweather.com/wx/NWR-radios-data.php” was blocked due to MIME type mismatch (X-Content-Type-Options: nosniff).  wxradio.php

jQuery.Deferred exception: data is not defined loadInfo@http://stillwaterweather.com/wx/NWR-radios.js:125:2
@http://stillwaterweather.com/wx/NWR-radios.js:245:5
g/</j@https://ajax.googleapis.com/ajax/libs/jquery/3.1.1/jquery.min.js:2:29946
g/</k<@https://ajax.googleapis.com/ajax/libs/jquery/3.1.1/jquery.min.js:2:30262
 undefined  jquery.min.js:2:31515

ReferenceError: data is not defined[Learn More]
Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: sacreyweather on August 02, 2017, 08:34:14 AM
Hi Bunty,

Page seems to be working fine for me here at work.

John
Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: Bunty on August 02, 2017, 02:38:01 PM
Hi Bunty,

Page seems to be working fine for me here at work.

John

Thank you for some good news.  It occurred to be to check how it goes with other browsers.  So I bet you were using Chrome, since that is the only browser where it works for me.  It won't work in Edge, IE and Firefox.
Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: saratogaWX on August 02, 2017, 03:19:16 PM
The problem seems to be in
Code: [Select]
<script src="NWR-radios-data.php"></script> on your page.
Running that script separately yields up the JSON file needed.  In the page, the http response is 'nil'.  Very odd.
The console shows
Quote
The resource from “http://stillwaterweather.com/wx/NWR-radios-data.php” was blocked due to MIME type mismatch (X-Content-Type-Options: nosniff)
so blocked the 'fetch' of the script, resulting in 'nil' data.

Looking at the no-sniff (https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/HTTP/Headers/X-Content-Type-Options) options, it appears that it doesn't like 'Content-type: text/html' for the script to be used.

Try changing NWR-radios-data.php from
Code: [Select]
if(strlen($content) > 100) {
$content = str_replace('http:\\/\\/noaaweatherradio.org\\/content\\/thumbnails\\/',$imagesDir,$content);
print $content;
to
Code: [Select]
if(strlen($content) > 100) {
$content = str_replace('http:\\/\\/noaaweatherradio.org\\/content\\/thumbnails\\/',$imagesDir,$content);
        header("Content-type: text/javascript,charset=UTF-8");
print $content;
and see if that works...
Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: Bunty on August 02, 2017, 05:04:37 PM
Sorry, but got same result, which is it only works in Chrome browser.
Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: saratogaWX on August 02, 2017, 05:21:40 PM
Ummm... running the script NWR-radios-data.php?sce=view still shows
Code: [Select]
if(strlen($content) > 100) {
$content = str_replace('http:\\/\\/noaaweatherradio.org\\/content\\/thumbnails\\/',$imagesDir,$content);
print $content;
which is the unchanged version.  Did you make the change to the script and upload it?  It should show
Code: [Select]
if(strlen($content) > 100) {
$content = str_replace('http:\\/\\/noaaweatherradio.org\\/content\\/thumbnails\\/',$imagesDir,$content);
        header("Content-type: text/javascript,charset=UTF-8");
print $content;
to work with the test for 'nosniff'.
Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: USAF_Pride on August 02, 2017, 06:42:39 PM
Greetings everyone. I just discovered this thread and the need for NWR (http://wxradio.dyndns.org:8000/GRR_NOAA.mp3) in my area (thus my first post).  I had a rPi3 feeding liveatc and flightaware information, so I thought I would throw a 3rd dongle on there and feed a NWR stream with a splitter off my airband antenna. I've read the entire thread and I did not see anyone using the same setup I have.  I'm using RTLSDR-Airband (https://github.com/szpajder/RTLSDR-Airband) as my feeding software as you don't need to have any additional software installed to stream (darkice) (and was already using it for liveatc). 

You will need to compile it with the
Code: [Select]
PLATFORM=rpiv2 NFM=1 make to make it work with the NWR feed.  Once that is done, you can use the below sample config file to setup the feed (file located at /usr/local/etc/rtl_airband.conf). You will need to adjust the squelch and the gain for your site as the software has trouble with the AGC on constant transmissions (https://github.com/szpajder/RTLSDR-Airband/issues/8#issuecomment-207935532) using the -f flag (sudo rtl_airband -f).  If you have multiple dongles, you can use rtl_eeprom to set the serial number and then use the "unstable" version of Airband and change
Code: [Select]
index = 0; to
Code: [Select]
serial = "whateverserialyouset";
Hopefully this makes it easier for others to stream.


Code: [Select]
#Config for 1 dongle
syslog = 1

devices:
(
   {
   index = 0;
   gain = 35;
   correction = 50;
   mode = "scan";
   
  channels:
  (
      {
modulation = "nfm";
#change for your frequency
freqs = (162550000);
squelch = 50;
outputs: (
           {
disable = false;
type = "icecast";
server = "wxradio.dyndns.org";
             port = 8000;
mountpoint = "PickYourMountPoint.mp3";
name = "Description";
genre = "Weather"
username = "source";
password = "WxRadio2014";
},
{
#for recording locally, comment out disable or change to false
disable = true;
type = "file";
directory = "/home/pi/recordings";
filename_template = "NOAA";
continuous = true;
}
    );
  }
   );
  }
);
Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: Bunty on August 02, 2017, 11:57:43 PM
Ummm... running the script NWR-radios-data.php?sce=view still shows
Code: [Select]
if(strlen($content) > 100) {
$content = str_replace('http:\\/\\/noaaweatherradio.org\\/content\\/thumbnails\\/',$imagesDir,$content);
print $content;
which is the unchanged version.  Did you make the change to the script and upload it?  It should show
Code: [Select]
if(strlen($content) > 100) {
$content = str_replace('http:\\/\\/noaaweatherradio.org\\/content\\/thumbnails\\/',$imagesDir,$content);
        header("Content-type: text/javascript,charset=UTF-8");
print $content;
to work with the test for 'nosniff'.

Oops, sorry about an oversight.  Modification now made and all is well.  Thank you!
Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: saratogaWX on August 03, 2017, 01:22:05 AM
Glad it worked.  I've updated NWR-radios-data.php V1.01 with that fix and added it to the template and standalone versions.

Full downloads via the script page (https://saratoga-weather.org/scripts-wxradio.php)

Just the changed NWR-radios-data.php is available here (https://saratoga-weather.org/NWR-radios-data.php?sce=view).

Best regards,
Ken
Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: tim273 on August 03, 2017, 09:09:54 AM
Greetings everyone. I just discovered this thread and the need for NWR (http://wxradio.dyndns.org:8000/GRR_NOAA.mp3) in my area (thus my first post).  I had a rPi3 feeding liveatc and flightaware information, so I thought I would throw a 3rd dongle on there and feed a NWR stream with a splitter off my airband antenna. I've read the entire thread and I did not see anyone using the same setup I have.  I'm using RTLSDR-Airband (https://github.com/szpajder/RTLSDR-Airband) as my feeding software as you don't need to have any additional software installed to stream (darkice) (and was already using it for liveatc). 

You will need to compile it with the
Code: [Select]
PLATFORM=rpiv2 NFM=1 make to make it work with the NWR feed.  Once that is done, you can use the below sample config file to setup the feed (file located at /usr/local/etc/rtl_airband.conf). You will need to adjust the squelch and the gain for your site as the software has trouble with the AGC on constant transmissions (https://github.com/szpajder/RTLSDR-Airband/issues/8#issuecomment-207935532) using the -f flag (sudo rtl_airband -f).  If you have multiple dongles, you can use rtl_eeprom to set the serial number and then use the "unstable" version of Airband and change
Code: [Select]
index = 0; to
Code: [Select]
serial = "whateverserialyouset";
Hopefully this makes it easier for others to stream.


Code: [Select]
#Config for 1 dongle
syslog = 1

devices:
(
   {
   index = 0;
   gain = 35;
   correction = 50;
   mode = "scan";
   
  channels:
  (
      {
modulation = "nfm";
#change for your frequency
freqs = (162550000);
squelch = 50;
outputs: (
           {
disable = false;
type = "icecast";
server = "wxradio.dyndns.org";
             port = 8000;
mountpoint = "PickYourMountPoint.mp3";
name = "Description";
genre = "Weather"
username = "source";
password = "WxRadio2014";
},
{
#for recording locally, comment out disable or change to false
disable = true;
type = "file";
directory = "/home/pi/recordings";
filename_template = "NOAA";
continuous = true;
}
    );
  }
   );
  }
);

Welcome to the board!  Glad you got that working, it's just another option for those who wish to use the RPi to stream, so thanks for the post!
Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: Cutty Sark Sailor on August 04, 2017, 08:10:31 AM
 :twisted:
OK... here comes some help =D&gt;
http://noaaweatherradio.org/quality/monitor.html


Thanks to Tony (Fox_Of_The_Wind (http://www.wxforum.net/index.php?action=profile;u=392)) for the Pira Utility...
Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: saratogaWX on August 04, 2017, 01:15:52 PM
I've been using the Pira silence detector for quite a while with my edcast feed..  Thanks for letting me know about the stream monitor app.. I now have it watching the icecast local/wxradio feeds for the two stations I stream  \:D/
Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: Fox_Of_The_Wind on August 05, 2017, 08:33:06 AM
:twisted:
OK... here comes some help =D&gt;
http://noaaweatherradio.org/quality/monitor.html


Thanks to Tony (Fox_Of_The_Wind (http://www.wxforum.net/index.php?action=profile;u=392)) for the Pira Utility...

You are welcome. I am happy I am able to help out a little.  :grin:
Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: 92merc on August 05, 2017, 11:24:46 AM
One thing I noticed about MediaMon, it has a propensity to look like it closed when you minimize it.  It wont' appear in taskbar or system tray.

I was getting notices that my system was "still down", even though I opened the program and it showed all is well.  Opened task manager in details mode.  Had 5 copies running.  Every time I made a change, it looked like the program closed on me.  It was actually running in the background hidden.  I'm guessing some of those were still running on an old config.  Once I killed them all and started a new copy, it was fine.

Now that I have it configured, it won't be changed hardly at all.  So I shouldn't have any more issues.
Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: Cutty Sark Sailor on August 05, 2017, 12:22:03 PM
One thing I noticed about MediaMon, it has a propensity to look like it closed when you minimize it.  It wont' appear in taskbar or system tray.

I was getting notices that my system was "still down", even though I opened the program and it showed all is well.  Opened task manager in details mode.  Had 5 copies running.  Every time I made a change, it looked like the program closed on me.  It was actually running in the background hidden.  I'm guessing some of those were still running on an old config.  Once I killed them all and started a new copy, it was fine.

Now that I have it configured, it won't be changed hardly at all.  So I shouldn't have any more issues.
Try, if running windows 10, running the Compatibility thing, and see if it does better as WIN 8 or Win 7... I set mine for Win 7, on the one machine...
Yes, if you "X" or Exit the program, it should 'kill.... to get to system tray, use the Minimize (-) I guess that's only way right now...
Maybe they'll catch some of this if they get out of "Beta" Stage...
Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: Cutty Sark Sailor on August 05, 2017, 12:33:37 PM
Oh, one other 'bug' I found while checking 92merc's report... , while running as win 10, I'd experimented with checking both "Start monitor on app launch, and 'minimize to tray on monitor exit"....  Well, I couldn't get the app in a position to 'stop' monitoring, or be able to change config after that... she'd start, go to tray, stay alive, and not let you touch her...
Ok...
If this happens to you, in "Users" APP Data.. (mine's under 'roaming') Find mediaMON folder, inside "Config XML"... find the part that says
"StartibStart="true"  and change that to "false".. save...
That allowed me to open and change those settings back to just the checklmark on the 'start on app lauch"... That was when was running as WIN10 compatible... I've not checked on the sysd tray issue since compatible win7 change... apparently checking both in config made it 'llock in' in win 10 .... not sure I even understand this post... but..
Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: 92merc on August 05, 2017, 12:38:52 PM
I hadn't looked at mine since yesterday afternoon.  After reading your posts, I checked again.  Somehow since using it yesterday, I had 2 copies running again.  Neither of them were bitching with emails, so I didn't notice.

I'm guessing it was my StartWatch that may have fired up a second copy.  I took it out of there for now.

But I changed my compatibility to Win7 and run as admin for further testing.
Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: Cutty Sark Sailor on August 07, 2017, 05:41:09 PM
 :(
Removed a bunch of 'dead feeds' today....
... if you were affected, you'll need to resubmit after you restore the feed.
http://noaaweatherradio.org/addstream/addstream.html

...don't forget, we added a couple of monitoring tools for your audio/mountpoint:
http://noaaweatherradio.org/quality/monitor.html
Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: 92merc on August 10, 2017, 10:43:31 AM
Firefox updated to V55 yesterday.  I noticed my volume slider is now back.

On a side note, I found out yesterday my 2015 BMW R1200RT motorcycle has the weather radio built in!  I had no idea.  Since I am partially deaf, I don't listen to the radio.  Was working on the wife's bike and discovered it.  Sweet!
Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: 92merc on September 08, 2017, 09:13:14 AM
Something up with Crushed box software?  My stream isn't working.  With my PI, I can remote into my locale Icecast stream.  That is playing fine.  So I know the stream is there.

I can usually go to http://wxradio.dyndns.org:8000/ and see all the streams. But that just hangs.  So I'm guessing their Icecast is down.
Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: sacreyweather on September 08, 2017, 09:26:14 AM
My stream is down as well. Chris has something going on.
Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: chappelledpc on September 08, 2017, 10:13:53 AM
Looks like it back up now
Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: 92merc on September 08, 2017, 10:24:19 AM
Good deal.  I figured someone here probably had his email address.
Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: chappelledpc on September 08, 2017, 10:43:28 AM
Think I spoke too soon.  Appears to be down again.  I can ping it so maybe something with his Icecast?
Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: Cutty Sark Sailor on September 08, 2017, 11:22:16 AM
No Info at present... seriously, we may need to develop an alternative for the feeds going to CBS... I've been contacted by several developers, and if Chris doesn't get on the ball communicating with us, the community may need to look elsewhere,,,..
Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: phillipdampier on September 08, 2017, 11:37:41 AM
My feed on Broadcastify is still up and running. It is why I have redundant feeds, in case one goes down.
Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: sacreyweather on September 08, 2017, 11:42:59 AM
I may look into Broadcastify as a backup this evening when I arrive home from work.
Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: codegod on September 08, 2017, 01:45:59 PM
Hey Guys,

Sorry for being MIA, Things are back up! Not sure what happened may IceCast crashed. I see a lot of connections to the West Palm Beach feed.
Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: sacreyweather on September 08, 2017, 02:00:58 PM
Thanks, Chris for the update!!!!
Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: codegod on September 08, 2017, 02:04:30 PM
Anybody know the best settings for the icecast server? It appears to be crashing when the load is very high i.e seeing over 1000 people on the West Palm Beach feed.
Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: tim273 on September 08, 2017, 02:20:26 PM
Anybody know the best settings for the icecast server? It appears to be crashing when the load is very high i.e seeing over 1000 people on the West Palm Beach feed.

I don't know off the top of my head, but you could try the icecast forum.  Here's a couple links that might help:

http://icecast.imux.net/viewtopic.php?t=7692&sid=d7120fc51fd347669051374bdd8d677f
http://icecast.org/loadtest/
http://lists.xiph.org/pipermail/icecast-dev/2005-July/001462.html
Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: Cutty Sark Sailor on September 08, 2017, 02:48:18 PM
The main site NOAA WEATHER RADIO ORG is running over 2000 hits per hour since the 5th, over 60,000 daily.... somebody's server could definitely be overloaded.... dropped off considerably so far today with the WxDns slowdown... I've the Owenton KY feed running through WxDyns and the utikities I posted for monitoring have notified me a couple of times it couldn't access server, but it's immediately reconnected..,. so it's not so much an encoder connection, on my end, as a stream connection from WAN... timing out on stream access...
Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: Cutty Sark Sailor on September 08, 2017, 02:57:25 PM
...now that feed is connection to server is timing in and out again...   ](*,)

The following error(s) has been reported
Server FktWx5 reports Possible Time Out Connecting to server

......

Any previous error's have now reported resolved and all servers are now shown as up

-----
Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: USAF_Pride on September 09, 2017, 06:32:30 AM
Anybody know the best settings for the icecast server? It appears to be crashing when the load is very high i.e seeing over 1000 people on the West Palm Beach feed.

Couple of solutions:
Disconnect users after x amount of time (http://forums.centova.com/index.php?topic=3872.0)
 Limit the number of connections (http://icecast.org/docs/icecast-2.4.1/config-file.html#limits)

These settings could be implemented during severe weather events.  Maybe a limit of 10 minutes as I think it would repeat itself within that time frame. How often does the information change within an hour?

One of the links that @tim273 posted has an explanation of server maximums.

Maybe a notification on  noaaweatherradio.org (http://noaaweatherradio.org/) that there is high server load due to the hurricane and to please limit listening. Maybe a "donate" button so more resources can be brought to bear in the future?

As of 6:45AM EST, 9 SEP 17 (statistics since the server was restarted, so they are a bit low)
Code: [Select]
Stream Name: West Palm Beach 162.475
Bitrate: 32
Listeners (current): 69
Listeners (peak): 202
Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: phillipdampier on September 09, 2017, 12:08:03 PM
It is only going to get much worse. Broadcastify reports its W Palm Beach feed has an average of 4,000-5,000 listeners as of last night, hour after hour all night long. A number of those are likely streaming the feed continuously, listening for future updates, warnings, etc. When a severe weather event occurs, historically a lot of listeners park on the stream, sometimes for hours if it is a prolonged event with ongoing warnings and updates.

You can expect that number to approach 8,000-9,000 concurrent listeners when Irma makes landfall. There have been feeds on Broadcastify that approached 15,000 concurrent listeners, so be aware if the alternative is noaaweatherradio.org, many thousands will likely find their way there as well.
Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: codegod on September 09, 2017, 06:45:06 PM
Hey guys actually not 100% sure it was a high load problem or not. Still investigating on exact cause. At any rate I think things have been quite stable since yesterdays issues.
Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: Cutty Sark Sailor on September 10, 2017, 10:23:21 AM
Hey guys actually not 100% sure it was a high load problem or not. Still investigating on exact cause. At any rate I think things have been quite stable since yesterdays issues.
I'm not sure the entire issue was with the Icecast, either... I was tracing timeouts on my route into and out of the Level 3 router in NYC ....
I've turned on the 'experimental' Miami direct forecast feeds, something I should have done earlier, that may help with some of the SEastern feeds....
We've also picked up a couple of new feeds out of Georgia, and a couple alternates.... The Daytona Beach feed had changed URLs, and is back up...
Traffic through noaaweatherradio.org peaked at
3200 visits and 143550 hits yesterday from 3000 different sites
interesting in that all the feed links are 'click thrus' to the feeds!
Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: tim273 on October 02, 2017, 08:21:35 PM
So I just contacted the NWS Twin Cities because our weather radio broadcast is down.  They said it was a cut fiber line somewhere and that it would probably be down most, if not all, of the night.  So my feed was static, but I set a squelch value so that it's quiet now.  I figure silence is better than static.  Anyway, just an FYI that it's temporary.
Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: mikev on October 30, 2017, 09:48:03 AM
Just a note that my feed of Manassas VA is currently down. An extended power failure early this morning drained my UPS and laptop batteries, and the power had not returned before I left for work today. I should have it back up this afternoon, but in the event I can't run home between jobs, it will be late this evening at the absolute latest.
Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: Cutty Sark Sailor on November 01, 2017, 12:43:45 PM
EEYOW...
Just did completed a 'picky' stream audit... we're all over the place this morning as far as quality and reliability.... about as bad as I've ever seen it.  Something about November????

Behind the scenes, there are some 'automatic' monitoring scripts being refined, and reference points being established...
... consideration is being given to having an analysis page added to the site, so an operator can check their 'stream parameters'
referenced to those arbitrary standards.  Now, so far, they work quite well... but the 'ear test' still must be applied, since
some 'quality' points are extremely difficult to 'reference', such as aliasing and some types of noise.

Attached 4 page PDF example of some information the NWRorg team is exploring, still in development and evaluation..
Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: Jumpin Joe on November 01, 2017, 01:41:10 PM
EEYOW...
Just did completed a 'picky' stream audit... we're all over the place this morning as far as quality and reliability.... about as bad as I've ever seen it.  Something about November????

Behind the scenes, there are some 'automatic' monitoring scripts being refined, and reference points being established...
... consideration is being given to having an analysis page added to the site, so an operator can check their 'stream parameters'
referenced to those arbitrary standards.  Now, so far, they work quite well... but the 'ear test' still must be applied, since
some 'quality' points are extremely difficult to 'reference', such as aliasing and some types of noise.

Attached 4 page PDF example of some information the NWRorg team is exploring, still in development and evaluation..

Nice work, Mike and Team!!!

When can I get the real thing??

Joe
Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: Cutty Sark Sailor on November 01, 2017, 01:52:17 PM
Any credit goes to CHAPPELLE WEATHER, and Doug, for these prototypes...

IF it becomes available, We don't know. When, We don't Know. It's testing and exploration.... also server demands... it can take over an hour to run a 'daily' report sampling, for example.

Since today's 'audit' of streams was so horrible, I felt I'd go ahead and reveal some of the 'objective' monitoring we're
trying to implement, in addition to the 'subjective' ear test exclusively.

Sad thing,   :-"  many of the issues noted might be fixed with a simple touch to a volume control, or a new audio cable, eg....
or even as simply as 'checking to see if the feed is on!"
Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: mikev on November 03, 2017, 09:41:37 AM
EEYOW...
Just did completed a 'picky' stream audit... we're all over the place this morning as far as quality and reliability.... about as bad as I've ever seen it.  Something about November????

Not likely November in general, but the joys of changing temperatures can bring temperature inversions that increase the likelihood of tropospheric ducting (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tropospheric_propagation). This can cause the signal of a distant transmitter to be much stronger, causing interference to the signal from the local transmitter. This might explain some of the audio quality issues.

At the right times, I've heard the State College PA and Norfolk VA transmitters clearer than my local Manassas VA transmitter!

Those with SDR receivers could reduce the effects of ducting by reducing the RF gain level of their receiver. I keep the gain on mine only as high as necessary to receive the signal I want reliably. A noise filter on the resulting audio also helps to filter out some of the interference created by the distant transmitter.
Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: 92merc on November 03, 2017, 11:04:57 AM
Those with SDR receivers could reduce the effects of ducting by reducing the RF gain level of their receiver. I keep the gain on mine only as high as necessary to receive the signal I want reliably. A noise filter on the resulting audio also helps to filter out some of the interference created by the distant transmitter.

I am running the PI setup.  Can it be tweaked from those?

It won't be until spring, but I'm hoping I can get a bit better signal by moving my PI from the basement to my garage.  I have to re-wire some power.  Then I'll be able to get my antenna up into the attic for better reception.  I'll move my lightning detector up higher as well.
Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: mikev on November 03, 2017, 11:35:42 AM
Those with SDR receivers could reduce the effects of ducting by reducing the RF gain level of their receiver. I keep the gain on mine only as high as necessary to receive the signal I want reliably. A noise filter on the resulting audio also helps to filter out some of the interference created by the distant transmitter.

I am running the PI setup.  Can it be tweaked from those?

It won't be until spring, but I'm hoping I can get a bit better signal by moving my PI from the basement to my garage.  I have to re-wire some power.  Then I'll be able to get my antenna up into the attic for better reception.  I'll move my lightning detector up higher as well.
I can't say for sure. I'd be surprised if there wasn't some way to adjust the RF gain, but it may depend on the binaries you're using and the SDR receiver as well. I'm running SDRsharp on a Windows laptop for my setup, making it just a setting in the program to adjust the gain.
Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: 92merc on November 03, 2017, 11:42:43 AM
I have some "marginal" hum in my feed.  But a lot clearer than others I've listened to.  Only problem is I don't have a "regular" weather radio to compare it to.  Need to listen to it and make sure it's not there to begin with.
Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: Cutty Sark Sailor on November 03, 2017, 12:22:08 PM
thing about filters... this is narrow band audio, voice, specifically Male on most streams... filtering too much 'low end' destroys the 'power', depth of the signal, and often results in 'tinny' sound. Some streams are quite 'tinny'. and can actually 'emphasize' the higher noise frequencies ... try to stream flat curve 100/150 HZ - 5000 Hz if possible... your stream will sound much clearer, we think.
the quick build ¼ wave ground plane antenna is very effective for marginal signals,
http://noaaweatherradio.org/howto.html#ant (http://noaaweatherradio.org/howto.html#ant)
One of the biggest irritants is excessive or low stream volume...
Single biggest irritant is 'one channel only'... especially if volume out of 'range'.
streams go offline, audio stops... Anthony (Fox in the Wind) found a great utility for monitoring,
and we found another.... virtually no performance hit on device, and will send you an email if something fails.
http://noaaweatherradio.org/quality/monitor.html (http://noaaweatherradio.org/quality/monitor.html)

Merc  lot of streams have some small degree of 'hum',... and as long as it meets the 'ear test' its fine... I checked your stream a few moments ago, and it sounded great.
Sometimes getting completely 'rid' of it is near impossible... My Owenton KY stream has noise, due to strength of signal and my environment... I probably could improve it some more, well, I know I could, but that will take a bit of work and a big 'roundTOit" served on a "Let's Do It Anyway" dish of will power and energy" ... partly because I use it as a reference at times, and partially because I'm just lazy.

Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: 92merc on November 03, 2017, 01:21:36 PM
Merc  lot of streams have some small degree of 'hum',... and as long as it meets the 'ear test' its fine... I checked your stream a few moments ago, and it sounded great.

Thanks for checking!  I'm still planning on moving my PI out and up.  Mostly because I have to move my Blitz station anyway.  I had new siding put up this summer.  First I had some insulation put up that has a foil backer.  I think it has degraded my Blitz reception.  So I'll be moving my H field up into the attic.  Might as well put my PI up next to it and get max results.
Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: Cutty Sark Sailor on November 03, 2017, 02:41:51 PM
Uh...yeah... I've got that damn 'foil' insulation panel stuff on my home... part of the reason I have so much noise... it traps noise inside it's enclosure space... trouble is, it's not real Aluminum foil,.. a mylar aluminum combination combination or some weird plastic that's supposed to be aluminum clad.... so 'non-conductive' by grounding... tried that. Put an EM meter next to it and it will 'peg' in certain locations... crap.
Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: 92merc on November 03, 2017, 03:17:56 PM
I suppose any noise on the interior of the house could be reflected around.  Bouncing off the foil.

When I put my H field into the attic, I'm probably going to buy some aluminum screen.  Roll it out on top of the insulation in the attic.  Hopefully have some sort of shielding to the H Field.  Protect it from any internal noise I may have going on in the house.

My concern is that I may have noise coming from some high tension power lines, about 800 feet from my house.  Nothing I'll be able to do about that.
Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: Cutty Sark Sailor on November 03, 2017, 05:29:13 PM
You may remember some of my experiences when we first got BT going,... the only 'sweet spot' I found for H loops around my residence was dead center of the Garage door, about 4 feet above floor. in a volume cube about 4 feet on a side.... minimum noise.  Any other location worse. Go figure. High Tension lines north of me about 400', residence power lines behind me about 200 feet, truck axle factory over the hill about ½ km.... No problems with E field... it's all strong magnetic components, except the one tiny horizontally polarized E glitxh that kept getting into H field --- that was eliminated only by the "Pesky Box" innovation. http://www.ourspecialnet.com/Weather/Pesky-Project/
Now, having learned to work around them, two neighbors have installed 'smart electric meters'.. one of 'em is 'on demand' control, and they drive BT crazy.
Now, none of these mess with my NOAA radios, but sure did cut down my 'effective' range and performance of both my BT stations, RED 689 and BLUE 1439.
Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: Cutty Sark Sailor on November 05, 2017, 09:01:57 AM
So... Doug's adding another tool behind the scenes, for now... 'is the stream active and accesible' .. 'what's its online history for availability?   :twisted:
There will be some testing on site today, Nov 5,  (and possibly this week at times) so you might see some 'variations' in the station listings, both on the site,
and on any of the Saratoga NOAA Wx RADIO templates you run on your site,


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Weather/NOAA-WEATHER-RADIO-ORG/i-vZMKqkR/1/25212750/L/hourly_check-L.jpg)

These are situations that the monitoring utilities we've listed at http://noaaweatherradio.org/quality/monitor.html
could minimize, if you can install them and set them up.

Now, discussion is continuing on whether to make some, all, of these (see attached for  some of the others). Discussion is also continuing regarding what degree of 'automation' for quality, availability updates on the site, as we continue to 'refine', 'fine-tune' etc.
Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: Cutty Sark Sailor on November 16, 2017, 09:07:45 AM
Updated the 'History' section of the  "about us' page to reflect recent developments on the site...
http://noaaweatherradio.org/about/#08152017
(http://noaaweatherradio.org/icons/hazani.gif)
Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: spweather on December 08, 2017, 11:33:58 AM
OK you have gone to far!

Your making the decision to disable my radio stream, especially when it affects my own website/webpage is unacceptable.

Granted I have gone an unknown period of time not noticing my radio had gotten hung-up. I don't believe it is up to you to remove my stream from my own website. Without any notice. And now that I have corrected the problem it is still not available.

I will no longer be participating in this project.

Please remove any and all reference to my weather station/radio stream from this project.

Dennis
WNG701
SandPointWeather.com
Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: Cutty Sark Sailor on December 08, 2017, 11:55:40 AM
OK you have gone to far!

Your making the decision to disable my radio stream, especially when it affects my own website/webpage is unacceptable.

Granted I have gone an unknown period of time not noticing my radio had gotten hung-up. I don't believe it is up to you to remove my stream from my own website. Without any notice. And now that I have corrected the problem it is still not available.

I will no longer be participating in this project.

Please remove any and all reference to my weather station/radio stream from this project.

Dennis
WNG701
SandPointWeather.com
Gee, I'm sorry you feel that way.  Don't worry, we'll delist it just as soon as I can get to the master...
First, we promised NOAA when they ok'd us, we'd try for good availability, and monitor it,.  However we cannot monitor 24/7 and are sometimes a bit slow updating.  Believe me, there's some stuff going on behind the scenes to improve that.
Second.  There is a form on the website, freely available to all, for 'contact' Update' Help' Queries, etc which is DESIGNED to ease such issues as yours.. the whole team receives such comments. and generally acts quite quickly,.

Staying silent, not usinge the tools provided, etc is NOT our fault.  We do not assume responsibility for your neglect.
Additionally, we have posted tools a provider can use to monitor his own feed. Up to providers to avail themselves.

Sorry to see you go.

Mike
Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: Cutty Sark Sailor on December 08, 2017, 12:02:58 PM
OK you have gone to far!

Your making the decision to disable my radio stream, especially when it affects my own website/webpage is unacceptable.

Granted I have gone an unknown period of time not noticing my radio had gotten hung-up. I don't believe it is up to you to remove my stream from my own website. Without any notice. And now that I have corrected the problem it is still not available.

I will no longer be participating in this project.

Please remove any and all reference to my weather station/radio stream from this project.

Dennis
WNG701
SandPointWeather.com
Gee, I'm sorry you feel that way.  Don't worry, we'll delist it just as soon as I can get to the master...
First, we promised NOAA when they ok'd us, we'd try for good availability, and monitor it,.  However we cannot monitor 24/7 and are sometimes a bit slow updating.  Believe me, there's some stuff going on behind the scenes to improve that.
Second.  There is a form on the website, freely available to all, for 'contact' Update' Help' Queries, etc which is DESIGNED to ease such issues as yours.. the whole team receives such comments. and generally acts quite quickly,.

Staying silent, not usinge the tools provided, etc is NOT our fault.  We do not assume responsibility for your neglect.
Additionally, we have posted tools a provider can use to monitor his own feed. Up to providers to avail themselves.

Sorry to see you go.

Mike
You have been de listed as requested.
Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: kray1000 on December 08, 2017, 06:32:02 PM
OK you have gone to far!

Your making the decision to disable my radio stream, especially when it affects my own website/webpage is unacceptable.

Granted I have gone an unknown period of time not noticing my radio had gotten hung-up. I don't believe it is up to you to remove my stream from my own website. Without any notice. And now that I have corrected the problem it is still not available.

I will no longer be participating in this project.

Please remove any and all reference to my weather station/radio stream from this project.

Dennis
WNG701
SandPointWeather.com

Dennis,
I can empathize with your plight.  I likewise saw today that my stream had been disabled by "admin" as well, which I found surprising given that my feed was among the clearest on their site and for most of the previous 9 years on Weather Underground before that.

If you're looking for a place that doesn't shoot first and ask questions later, weatherusa.net (http://www.weatherusa.net/) will gladly accept your stream (https://www.weatherusa.net/members/services/radio) as-is.  It's also free and setup is relatively painless.  I am impressed with the responsiveness of their server so far, and you can see at a glance on their Weather Radio page (http://www.weatherusa.net/radio) how many people are listening to your feed.

Here is what my feed sounds like on the weatherUSA site:
http://radio.weatherusa.net/NWR/WXL60.mp3

Best regards,
Kevin
Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: Cutty Sark Sailor on December 08, 2017, 07:32:34 PM
Your stream was coded DA because of consistent HUM, erratic volume levels, and erratic availability... I personally have 'DA'd your stream several times, and re-activated it several times... I cannot speak for the other monitors... your stream just wasn't there, or had no audio, etc.... and we NEVER disable a stream on one failed connection, or issue... we look at history, in most cases... If the QUALITY is really lousy we may throw a DA on it on one check, however...  DA was used to alert providers to check their stream, and means any disable is expected to be temporary.. NA means we don't know.   All this is explained on the site.

No communication was ever received from you questioning this... in either of the above two situations.

We can't help or correct if we're not aware. We do goof, and we do catch some goofs.. but the responsibility is still left with a provider.
I expect you went NA today because when it was audited on the server you had discontinued your feed and changed the url to the other provider.
No connection to audio URL, or no audio, or very poor quality may generate an NA or DA, especially if a station has a record of intermittency. That Simple.

As explained above, we have already had procedures in place, which many operators use, to notify us if there's some question, or problem.  If you don't choose to avail yourself of them, notify us when we have 'goofed'... so be it, their choice....

I don't know of any other way to say it... this site is monitored by a team, it's all volunteers,  it's Non- commercial, and we do look out for you, as well as the quality and reliability of the stream you provide, if you give us a chance... but that's your choice...  We've listed utilities for you to monitor your own stream, and are about to deploy automatic checks to help with that on the site... when a station is 'out of the parameters', you'd have had a chance to receive an 'email' notification, etc.. and repair any issue, or enable us to correct OUR errors...

When operational, the system will be checking for connections to streams hourly, Quality analysis run daily and daily logs available to providers who sign up...as well offering a provider a 'real time' check of their stream quality, against certain arbitrary parameters,  and are interested in something beyond 'set and forget' but want to maintain reliability and quality. We realize that does not include everybody.

Sorry if many of you choose to take another route.

Mike
Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: saratogaWX on December 08, 2017, 07:44:52 PM
I just want to say a couple of things.  The noaaweatherradio.org site (and the wxradio.dyndns.org stream site) were founded by several of the weather enthusiasts who were appalled when Wunderground discontinued their 'home' for NOAA Weather Radio Streams.  We thought that a group of volunteers could make a new site to care for the feeds and continue to provide a service to weather enthusiasts worldwide.  Thanks to the largess of Crushed Box Software for hosting a stream server, we had a destination for streams.  Thanks to the efforts of the volunteers, we've got a functional service that is monitored (as never was by Wunderground), and it is non-commercial.  A lot of behind-the-scenes work has been done to automate quality checking/reporting features where none exist on other streaming destinations.

In summary:
noaaweatherradio.org: volunteer staffed, non-commercial, and really caring about offering the best quality streams.

weatherUSA.net, broadcastify, etc: commercial ventures and little/no quality checking

My 2cents...
Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: kray1000 on December 08, 2017, 08:23:26 PM
Your stream was coded DA because of consistent HUM, erratic volume levels, and erratic availability... I personally have 'DA'd your stream several times, and re-activated it several times... I cannot speak for the other monitors... your stream just wasn't there, or had no audio, etc.... and we NEVER disable a stream on one failed connection, or issue... we look at history, in most cases... If the QUALITY is really lousy we may throw a DA on it on one check, however...  DA was used to alert providers to check their stream, and means any disable is expected to be temporary.. NA means we don't know.   All this is explained on the site.

No communication was ever received from you questioning this... in either of the above two situations.

We can't help or correct if we're not aware. We do goof, and we do catch some goofs.. but the responsibility is still left with a provider.
I expect you went NA today because when it was audited on the server you had discontinued your feed and changed the url to the other provider.
No connection to audio URL, or no audio, or very poor quality may generate an NA or DA, especially if a station has a record of intermittency. That Simple.

As explained above, we have already had procedures in place, which many operators use, to notify us if there's some question, or problem.  If you don't choose to avail yourself of them, notify us when we have 'goofed'... so be it, their choice....

I don't know of any other way to say it... this site is monitored by a team, it's all volunteers,  it's Non- commercial, and we do look out for you, as well as the quality and reliability of the stream you provide, if you give us a chance... but that's your choice...  We've listed utilities for you to monitor your own stream, and are about to deploy automatic checks to help with that on the site... when a station is 'out of the parameters', you'd have had a chance to receive an 'email' notification, etc.. and repair any issue, or set enable us to correct...

When operational, the system will be checking for connections to streams hourly, Quality analysis run daily and daily logs available to providers who sign up...as well offering a provider a 'real time' check of their stream quality, against certain arbitrary parameters,  and are interested in something beyond 'set and forget' but want to maintain reliability and quality. We realize that does not include everybody.

Sorry if many of you choose to take another route.

Mike

TWheere

I'm curious about the "consistent hum" you are hearing on my feed.  Are you hearing it now on this feed (http://radio.weatherusa.net/NWR/WXL60.mp3)?  Because I certainly am not.

The volume levels are anything but "erratic".  I literally have gone months without adjusting the volume at all.

No communication was ever received from you regarding your concerns.  I can't help or correct if I'm not aware.  In my defense, I don't visit weatherradio.org or wxforum.net on a daily basis and was not aware until today that these utilities were available.  In the past, when I have checked weatherradio.org, I have never seen my feed marked until today.

I discontinued my feed AFTER finding it disabled on your site.

When I listed weather radio feeds on my site and checked quality issues ten years ago, I never disabled a feed.  Instead, I simply notated with an asterisk on my site when (in my humble opinion) I felt a quality issue was present.  Frankly, I think this would have been a better way to handle alleged quality issues in the absence of email notifications.

I will be interested when "the system" is operational, whether it would benefit me in any way other than getting a notification when my feed has stopped.  I already have an external antenna connected to my radio for improved reception. 

I live in a rural area, which means that when a tree falls somewhere in the county, there's a chance my internet could go out.  Just two nights ago, a scheduled system upgrade left me without internet service for the better part of four hours.  And those Wednesday night Windows updates have gotten me more than once.  Expecting perfection from volunteers who are providing feeds out of their own resources is asking a lot, but I do the best I can.  I realize not everybody appreciates those efforts.

Kevin
Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: kray1000 on December 08, 2017, 08:52:16 PM
I just want to say a couple of things.  The noaaweatherradio.org site (and the wxradio.dyndns.org stream site) were founded by several of the weather enthusiasts who were appalled when Wunderground discontinued their 'home' for NOAA Weather Radio Streams.  We thought that a group of volunteers could make a new site to care for the feeds and continue to provide a service to weather enthusiasts worldwide.  Thanks to the largess of Crushed Box Software for hosting a stream server, we had a destination for streams.  Thanks to the efforts of the volunteers, we've got a functional service that is monitored (as never was by Wunderground), and it is non-commercial.  A lot of behind-the-scenes work has been done to automate quality checking/reporting features where none exist on other streaming destinations.

In summary:
noaaweatherradio.org: volunteer staffed, non-commercial, and really caring about offering the best quality streams.

weatherUSA.net, broadcastify, etc: commercial ventures and little/no quality checking

My 2cents...

And I'll add my two cents as well.

Getting the best quality stream possible should be the goal.  Not DISABLING a feed because it's less than perfect or TEMPORARILY unavailable.  Disable a feed when it's playing music instead, or playing a feed different than what is specified (which I found surprisingly often when I did my QC checks), or when it's TRULY unlistenable.

Many people don't have perfect reception, and all they can do is the best they can do.  My reception happens to be better than most, yet that's still wasn't good enough.

I was as dismayed as anyone when WU discontinued their streams, but I am thankful that others without judgment have stepped up to the plate to fill that void.
Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: Cutty Sark Sailor on December 09, 2017, 12:05:57 PM
Virtually every comment or complaint in the preceding few posts is referenced in some fashion in the following
information links on NOAAWeatherRadio ORG... including the 'quality' flagging... especially including the 'provider's responsibility'
http://noaaweatherradio.org/howto.html
http://noaaweatherradio.org/quality/
http://noaaweatherradio.org/quality/monitor.html
I don't know how  we can be more explicit..,. there will be some updating to those pages..
and yes, there is ALWAYS one reference 'music' stream in position one, for provider volume reference.
Yes, there may be a 'music stream' at the end which is activated when some parameters are being looked at.
Yes, there are test sweeps turned on at times, again at the end.
and currently the music stream is on, and probably will be through out the weekend.
...and this is 2017, not 2007... and this is NOT weather Underground where we ignore you.
And NO we don't send notifications... many of you we don't even have a valid email address for.

Regardless, the promises we made to NOAA and the US department of Commerce explicitly implied
we would provide qood quality, good reliability,. especially in light of the lack of discrimination
WeatherUnderground began to display, and currently present on other 'streaming NWR' websites,
especially the commercial sites.  We wanted their sanction,  for the promotion of Public Safety, Citizen Science and Personal Weather Station Operators.
They don't give permission to use the "NOAA ALL HAZARDS WEATHER RADIO" logo to just anyone.  Most
uses are illegal, not so on NOAAWEATHERRADIO.ORG.

And once in awhile, we may upset someone.  Too Bad.  But by golly we'll fix it if we can, if
folks will just use the contact form on the site... and help prevent errors by watching out for their own stream.

That's it until we announce the QRA system, initial release, hopefully soon.
Testing our own version of QRA gold stars... some bugs in it, but it's live currently,...
it's a difficult thing to automate, and may not prove feasible, but if it ibecomes a permanent feature, it will be 'objective' based on parameters and numbers,
and will never likely be 'perfect',...


Title: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: Mark / Ohio on December 09, 2017, 12:50:04 PM
Hi guys,  just wanted to drop a note mine sounds over modulated and sort of muffled at the moment.  Turns out it is coming from the transmitter that way.  I sent a note to ILN Wilmington last night about it but so far no reply from them. 


Sent via iPhone
Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: Cutty Sark Sailor on December 09, 2017, 01:12:51 PM
Mark

And this is what your stream would show on real-time analysis,...
part of the 'web options' suite for providers, when we make it live
 [ You are not allowed to view attachments ]

And that almost sounds like a phone line problem to transmitter...

This is the type issue that could be sent to us on the 'form'
which could notify us that there's an issue you know about.
This would  NOT create a 'QRA" flag, and definitely not manual DA or NA but would
'lower the stream score' , even though it's NOT provider's fault.

Cheers
Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: ValentineWeather on December 09, 2017, 01:29:03 PM
What I found troublesome with the later script Ken provided having personal website linking my stream and for whatever reason gets removed from script, the script doesn't return stream for extended period so in the meantime users of website are wondering why they are getting a Kentucky stream in Nebraska. 

I don't want Kentucky or anywhere else streaming locally when my stream is down I just want dead air...

About the second time I noticed this happening, I went with Bob's SATCOP script ( I modified to liking)  that doesn't do this.

Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: saratogaWX on December 09, 2017, 01:39:13 PM
What I found troublesome with the later script Ken provided having personal website linking my stream and for whatever reason gets removed from script, the script doesn't return stream for extended period so in the meantime users of website are wondering why they are getting a Kentucky stream in Nebraska. 

I don't want Kentucky or anywhere else streaming locally when my stream is down I just want dead air...

About the second time I noticed this happening, I went with Bob's SATCOP script ( I modified to liking)  that doesn't do this.


That's the first I've heard of that issue with the script.  It does dynamically generate the links from the noaaweatherradio.org JSON feed.  Which stream were you selecting with the PWS script?  Was the page auto-reloading?  Do you still have the PWS script page installed somewhere, and if so, what's the URL.   I'm interested in fixing the issue...
Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: ValentineWeather on December 09, 2017, 01:49:14 PM
This was happening after local internet outages. I was having a rash for awhile. Station would be completely removed and not come back for hours even though radio was back online.

I still have script running on website just not linked here...https://www.valentinenebraska.net/wxradio.php
Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: Cutty Sark Sailor on December 09, 2017, 02:06:01 PM
What I found troublesome with the later script Ken provided having personal website linking my stream and for whatever reason gets removed from script, the script doesn't return stream for extended period so in the meantime users of website are wondering why they are getting a Kentucky stream in Nebraska. 

I don't want Kentucky or anywhere else streaming locally when my stream is down I just want dead air...

About the second time I noticed this happening, I went with Bob's SATCOP script ( I modified to liking)  that doesn't do this.


Ken, Randy
the NWR main player script works this way,
...we have an 'audio' announcement there if we have a stream flagged DA or NA ... tells user it is "disabled temporally" or currently 'not available', and is advancing to next stream on list... On the website, if the server is 'off' for that stream, but it isn't DA or NA flagged, the site script simply pops a "source not found" warning.

The site script will automatically advance at the 'end of stream', (for example, the Tropical Weather Feed is inactive these months, so it repeats a message three times, than advances to the next stream)...  if a server connection is interrupted, it will move to next stream, abruptly, and without warning... someday we'll track that down maybe, and modify it... sort of low priority for now

But as far as I know, neither of Randy's streams has gone DA or NA on audit since way back when we first started.. we know if he's off, it's always a temporary glitch and ignore it since's he's right on top of it, and usually notifies us if unusual issue...
Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: saratogaWX on December 09, 2017, 02:28:58 PM
This was happening after local internet outages. I was having a rash for awhile. Station would be completely removed and not come back for hours even though radio was back online.

I still have script running on website just not linked here...https://www.valentinenebraska.net/wxradio.php
Oops.. I'm getting
Quote
XML error: mismatched tag at line 106
loading your site.
looking at flyout-menu.xml shows
Quote
XML Parsing Error: mismatched tag. Expected: </menu>.
Location: https://www.valentinenebraska.net/flyout-menu.xml
Line Number 106, Column 4:   </item>
----------^

Edit: it's ok now.. thanks for the link.
Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: saratogaWX on December 09, 2017, 02:34:48 PM
It looks like you're running V1.00 of the script.. the current version is V1.05 -02-Aug-2017 -- you might try that version and see if the issues still exist.

Best regards,
Ken
Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: ValentineWeather on December 09, 2017, 02:48:41 PM
Okay I will,
I'm trying to link both radio versions should one go down but having issues with flyout.menu.xml
It's being really finicky is why site was down. 
Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: saratogaWX on December 09, 2017, 02:54:45 PM
Okay I will,
I'm trying to link both radio versions should one go down but having issues with flyout.menu.xml
It's being really finicky is why site was down. 
I fully understand.. XML requires perfect syntax with each opened entry properly closed.  Grrr, but that's the way it works.
I even talked about that in the template menubar instructions (https://saratoga-weather.org/wxtemplates/menubar-config.php).  SO easy to omit a closing tag, and I've done it too (many times).
Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: kray1000 on December 09, 2017, 10:39:48 PM
I'm curious about the "consistent hum" you are hearing on my feed.  Are you hearing it now on this feed (http://radio.weatherusa.net/NWR/WXL60.mp3)?  Because I certainly am not. 

The volume levels are anything but "erratic".  I literally have gone months without adjusting the volume at all.

Just as I thought.  Speaking of ignored...

and yes, there is ALWAYS one reference 'music' stream in position one, for provider volume reference.
Yes, there may be a 'music stream' at the end which is activated when some parameters are being looked at.
Yes, there are test sweeps turned on at times, again at the end.
and currently the music stream is on, and probably will be through out the weekend.

No one mentioned anything about this at all.

And once in awhile, we may upset someone.  Too Bad.  But by golly we'll fix it if we can, if
folks will just use the contact form on the site... and help prevent errors by watching out for their own stream.

That's it until we announce the QRA system, initial release, hopefully soon.
Testing our own version of QRA gold stars... some bugs in it, but it's live currently,...
it's a difficult thing to automate, and may not prove feasible, but if it [becomes] a permanent feature, it will be 'objective' based on parameters and numbers,
and will never likely be 'perfect',...

I can see I ruffled some feathers.  Oh well.

But I am happy to see an objective approach being attempted to assess the streams.   Perfect or not, it's better than how it's being done now, and a step in the right direction.

I should probably thank you for flagging my feed though.  I see now that there is another feed for the same station I was uploading, being provided by an E911 center with similarly good audio quality.  I don't see much point in duplicating an existing feed that should prove to be very reliable.  And there is already a backup to that feed as well.

I was a little late to this party, but it was fun while it lasted.  Best of luck to everyone on this project.  I'll keep tabs on how it progresses.

And thanks, Mike, for your kindness, for giving my concerns proper consideration, and for your willingness to meet me halfway.  Keep up the good work.
Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: Cutty Sark Sailor on December 09, 2017, 11:12:41 PM
...that 'objective' analysis has been developing for months,.. . we're just volunteers... hopefully it will be available soon,
and the history and current values for streams will be available to their provider, any time there should be a question
...we list any duplicate, alternate streams anyone wants to provide...  they are very valuable
Hurricane IRMA, Houston, widespread power outages, etc prove their value... some WILL go offline, some will have glitches...
and a duplicate provider is every bit as important as the 'primary', which will normally be given to a PWS operator's stream, if available..
Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: ValentineWeather on December 10, 2017, 09:52:43 AM
Okay I will,
I'm trying to link both radio versions should one go down but having issues with flyout.menu.xml
It's being really finicky is why site was down. 
I fully understand.. XML requires perfect syntax with each opened entry properly closed.  Grrr, but that's the way it works.
I even talked about that in the template menubar instructions (https://saratoga-weather.org/wxtemplates/menubar-config.php).  SO easy to omit a closing tag, and I've done it too (many times).

I got it finally thanks.
If the primary goes down for extended time the secondary link is direct no waiting and will be online as soon as stream gets restored. 
Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: saratogaWX on December 11, 2017, 02:24:13 PM
You may have noticed a couple of changes in some pages on noaaweatherradio.org based on our beta running of automated stream quality assessment.
1) the main player now shows the 'Gold Star' quality status for each feed based on the prior 7 days scores for that stream.
2) the dynamic Hazards page now shows the quality status in the pop-up/mouse-over tooltips for each displayed station.

Lastly, if you're using the PWS radio player, you'll see hollow and filled stars before the station callsign in the drop-down selection list for station.  There will be a future update to the PWS player that more fully explains (and additionally displays) the quality status.

Best regards,
Ken
Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: ValentineWeather on December 11, 2017, 03:06:36 PM
So stars are given out for taking a mono stream and splitting it into FAKE stereo. Makes sense, now we can listen to dual crappy stream equally both ears.
Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: Cutty Sark Sailor on December 11, 2017, 04:10:30 PM
In reality, out of all the streams listed, only a couple dozen are streaming only one channel, and the majority of them are third party streams, and not this WxForum community generally..,.
Last report showed 54 or so streams with Stars... not bad... many others are 'on the verge' and just need to tweak a bit of volume up or down, or other minor or something similar...
the parameters are pretty liberal in most cases... and not every parameter is easily measured, such as inherent hum, some types of noise... so a few 'get away' with some of that, but
still get a star... so be it...  Availability of stream over last 7 days is most weighted, with volume 'window' second.

One thing to remember about the Stars... they're a measure of a Stream's 'performance not necessarily any provider'...  though the key elements rest with the provider, most of the time.

Yep, if the stream is encoded as stereo, and most streams are, then both channels equal are desired... at least that throws the audio to the middle... Not everybody listens with a desktop... and is especially annoying to someone with headphones, ear buds, switching between streams... or is 'deaf' in the ear that a single channel is on... also gives more 'apparent' power to the stream.  Lot's of reasons, and we mention two channels several times in the how to, quality, etc...  We prefer to think of it as 'MONO'... since 'left only' or 'right only' is 'Grossly irritating Unbalanced Stereo".
Regardless of that, availability and volume parameters are the most important.  But NO Star for 'single channel' ! In effect, it becomes a 'volume' parameter. 
Another Star Preventer is too low a stream Bit Rate, and or Sampling Rate ... but a 'bad strem' is still better than No Stream, especially if there is no alternate available for that area.... Initial Criteria is spelled out in the 'tool tip' in the legends.

And these criteria and the principle have been / are being / hashed out, developed, and refined over months, not just on the 'spur of the moment' and are the results of long term observation, monitoring, experiments, discussion, and Promises Made to NOAA....

Coming soon, the 'analysis suite' tools and notifications for providers, ....  still wrestling with some things... Ken and Doug don't have much hair left.
When that goes live and folks submit a form and subscribe, each provider will know the 'objective' status of the parameters used, and will be ale to
check the actual 'current' status, as well as the 'daily' analysis, which completes, currently, about 11PM ET, or any 'random' samoles,....
"Availability' checks are run hourly to see if each stream server accessible at that time...
Lots of goodies...
Save a life!
Mike
Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: mikev on December 14, 2017, 11:05:01 PM
I'm one of those streaming real mono audio (just one channel), instead of fake stereo (two channels, both playing the same thing). I'm only streaming 16 Kbps since I'm only streaming one channel. If I were streaming stereo, I'd double the bitrate accordingly. But I don't see any need to waste bandwidth - my ISP has a monthly bandwidth cap and my server provider does too - for something that doesn't really change how it will sound.

Removing the stereo/32 Kbps requirement, I'm curious which star I would get, if any. I'm happy with my stream quality as it is, and won't be changing things just for that mark. Just wondering what I'd get.
Title: NOAA Weather Radio Org Quality / Reliability Tools
Post by: NWROrg Team on December 15, 2017, 01:49:10 AM
NOAA Weather Radio Org Quality / Reliability Tools

ANNOUNCING
(http://noaaweatherradio.org/QRAroll/qralogo_tools.png)

Now Live and Available for NOAA Weather Radio Org Stream Providers

Initial Release Overview and examples at this thread:
http://www.wxforum.net/index.php?topic=33392
Title: Re: NOAA WEATHER RADIO
Post by: SteveFitz1 on December 16, 2017, 09:59:48 AM
Got my first quality report last night. It indicated my volume was slightly high. I adjusted it downward slightly, ran a new test, now it shows as GOOD.

Congrats to the NWROrg Team. Outstanding set of tools you've provided for us. =D&gt;

Steve