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Weather Related Organizations => WeatherUnderground => Topic started by: galfert on November 09, 2018, 04:11:56 PM
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I've never had a Gold Star since I first connected to WU this past August 2018. I've just noticed today that I have a Gold Star. I've looked at some other nearby new stations that never had one before and they now have Gold Stars.
I hope that the return of the Gold Star indicates that it will start working better than before...as it seems the whole Gold Star was a joke before from what I've read.
Upon hovering over the Gold Star it still says the same thing it has always said for those that had it:
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I am finding that some stations whose data is definitely not worthy do not have Gold Stars. So they aren't passing them around like candy to everyone. So that is somewhat reassuring... lets hope.
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:lol: I know you think I'm your proverbial "turd in the punch bowl", but I just looked and I've lost my star :roll: which I've had from day one but the POS down the street that constantly has 30-40F too high of a dew point still has his.
They may 'try' to get this right, but I highly doubt ever will, just too many PWS's and too much data to analyze properly.
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:???: Ive always had it neve lost it..
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I’ve always had mine until recently. Now I don’t anymore, but I still have the same data flow and spot on data accuracy from my Davis VP2 w/24 hr FARS, which I check for proper calibration on a regular basis. I know my data is high quality, so I’m not going to fret over recently losing my ‘gold star status’! :lol:
In fact, a station just 1,000ft down the road from me regularly reports temps as much as 15F too high, but they currently are considered a ‘Gold Star Station’ :roll:
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Interesting. I've had one on both stations for over a year...until now.... :lol:
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:lol: I know you think I'm your proverbial "turd in the punch bowl", but I just looked and I've lost my star :roll: which I've had from day one but the POS down the street that constantly has 30-40F too high of a dew point still has his.
They may 'try' to get this right, but I highly doubt ever will, just too many PWS's and too much data to analyze properly.
I totally do not think that of you. We've had good dialog and I think we both disagree at times but in the end I think we both respect each other and accept each other's views. At least that is how I see it from my end.
Now just playing devil's advocate here (not being a jerk) but do you think that if you were to start reporting SLP instead of Altimeter, that you might gain your Gold Star back? What is the difference between your SLP and Altimeter?
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My station had one until today. CWOP quality check looks good. MADIS looks good. I think there is still work to be done, at minimum communication to station owners of the specifics of current pass/fail.
MADIS:
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:lol: I know you think I'm your proverbial "turd in the punch bowl", but I just looked and I've lost my star :roll: which I've had from day one but the POS down the street that constantly has 30-40F too high of a dew point still has his.
They may 'try' to get this right, but I highly doubt ever will, just too many PWS's and too much data to analyze properly.
Now just playing devil's advocate here (not being a jerk) but do you think that if you were to start reporting SLP instead of Altimeter, that you might gain your Gold Star back?
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As far as MSLP vs ALT getting my star back? Complete crap shoot as I've been sending the ALT long before the "star" was born. Point being, the star to me is completely meaningless, as is their non-existent QC (although WU say's differently :roll: :roll:) I'll continue to send the ALT because those who truly use it are the sites I care about, WU is an afterthought.
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I reckon its just based on consistent uploads, too many breaks and thats the start gone until next check, its also a rolling 5 day i think, i really doubt its based on quality of sensors cause ive lost many when ive lost internet connections and thats frequent here cause i have a dicky router, well, its brand new but from my ISP so i am gonna get a nighthawk soon... ps, its just my opinion :)
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:lol: I know you think I'm your proverbial "turd in the punch bowl", but I just looked and I've lost my star :roll: which I've had from day one but the POS down the street that constantly has 30-40F too high of a dew point still has his.
They may 'try' to get this right, but I highly doubt ever will, just too many PWS's and too much data to analyze properly.
What is the difference between your SLP and Altimeter?
Peruse away...
https://mesowest.utah.edu/cgi-bin/droman/meso_base.cgi?stn=C2274&unit=0&time=LOCAL&product=&year1=2018&month1=2&day1=15&hour1=12&hours=24&graph=0&past=0
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Gold Stars are worthless and absolutely pointless.
WU still accept erroneous data and give gold stars.
https://www.wunderground.com/personal-weather-station/dashboard?ID=IUNITEDK471#comment-3812581177
just look at all the other stations around this one. I ahve raised issues with this site for near a year. WU ignore all correspondence.
Why because they dont know how to fix it.
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:lol: I know you think I'm your proverbial "turd in the punch bowl", but I just looked and I've lost my star :roll: which I've had from day one but the POS down the street that constantly has 30-40F too high of a dew point still has his.
They may 'try' to get this right, but I highly doubt ever will, just too many PWS's and too much data to analyze properly.
What is the difference between your SLP and Altimeter?
Peruse away...
https://mesowest.utah.edu/cgi-bin/droman/meso_base.cgi?stn=C2274&unit=0&time=LOCAL&product=&year1=2018&month1=2&day1=15&hour1=12&hours=24&graph=0&past=0
Since temperature affects SLP it tracks differently than Altimeter. I wonder if that lack of symmetry is cause. But seeing as others have reported that they have lost stars too it looks like it there probably is no good reason.
Gold Stars are worthless and absolutely pointless.
WU still accept erroneous data and give gold stars.
https://www.wunderground.com/personal-weather-station/dashboard?ID=IUNITEDK471#comment-3812581177
just look at all the other stations around this one. I ahve raised issues with this site for near a year. WU ignore all correspondence.
Why because they dont know how to fix it.
That is pretty bad. I guess reporting a bad station has no effect. Seems like from this example and other accounts the Gold Star is not any better than it ever was before.
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I just turned back on one of my test WU Station IDs that I have not used since October 2nd, so no data there for long time. That is over a month of not reporting to WU with that ID. And instantly my station dashboard was up and working and it had a Gold Star from the get go! The station dashboard with Gold Star and Wundermap marker showed up within 5 minutes of going live. So much for saying that the Gold Star means that the station has passed quality control for 5 consecutive days.
Now maybe it really means that there haven't been any errors in the past 5 days??? That could work right? So then the Gold Star is something everyone starts off with unless bad data causes you to lose it. If that is the case then as I've always recommended anyway because you don't want bad data (especially since you can't delete it), you should calibrate your station before it starts reporting online.
What's going on Weather Underground???? Why are the Gold Stars back and seemingly not really doing anything? How is the new UI coming along? If you are testing some stuff why not let us know what is happening so that we can offer feedback.
A few days ago I noticed that for almost 48 hours the rapid update was seriously delayed no matter which station dashboard I pulled up (I tried different brand hardware stations too). My station for example instead of updating every 16 seconds was more like between every 25 seconds varying up to just over a 1 minute sometimes...and averaging around 48 seconds. Then without doing anything I noticed that the rapid update was back to working on a very timely manner now. It would be nice to have a place to go that shows you the health of your servers and a log of current and past issues with resolution time. Lots of cloud services offer this kind of insight into their infrastructure health. Food for thought hopefully. Thank you for all you do.
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Gold Stars are worthless and absolutely pointless.
WU still accept erroneous data and give gold stars.
https://www.wunderground.com/personal-weather-station/dashboard?ID=IUNITEDK471#comment-3812581177
just look at all the other stations around this one. I ahve raised issues with this site for near a year. WU ignore all correspondence.
Why because they dont know how to fix it.
So much for meaning quality...LOL
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Indeed and thus that erroneous data probably goes towards forecasting for this area
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I haven't heard anything from wunderground saying the "gold stars" are fixed yet.
It could be we're seeing unstable behavior as they are tinkering.
I wouldn't be concerned about it until they say they think it is fixed and they want us to test it.
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My station's gold star reappeared. Maybe we are just subjects of a social experiment. "Let's add and take away some gold stars and see what comments we get" :)
With current performance it could be a gold star is not the right icon to use. Since it is ambiguous on how/when they are applied maybe the gold star should be replaced with the puppy [ You are not allowed to view attachments ] . If a station reaches a minimum level of puppiness then the puppy will appear. Maybe if it exudes enormous levels of puppiness then the reward is not just a static puppy icon but an animated gif with the puppy wagging its tail -> more puppiness, faster wagging :lol:
Hopefully they do get this fixed soon. Data without some QA can be pretty worthless.
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As others have so eloquently stated before 'Gold Stars are a joke!' I currently do not have a gold star (not that I care) even though my data is consistent with surrounding stations and I've not missed any data transmission to WU for months. Until WU decides to share their "quality standard" with us, we'll never know if it's their system that's broken or whether we might actually have a metric that needs adjusting.
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I'm somewhat of a weather newb, I've only been doing it since April. And I have never gotten a 'gold star' until this week. They must have changed something, it seemed everyone got one before except me, and now it's the reverse. I wish they would be more forthcoming on their quality criteria.
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I'm somewhat of a weather newb, I've only been doing it since April. And I have never gotten a 'gold star' until this week. They must have changed something, it seemed everyone got one before except me, and now it's the reverse. I wish they would be more forthcoming on their quality criteria.
There used to be a PowerPoint presentation floating around the internet that explained what they were trying to do. I can't find it now, though. I think the author may have left wunderground and the presentation was removed, but maybe someone managed to grab a copy.
Just keep cool and wait. They've still got a lot of things to fix before they get back up in full glory.
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I wish they would be more forthcoming on their quality criteria.
Every time I say this, it falls on deaf ears....they won't, because they have none. Complete gimmick.
Jeez, wake up people. :roll:
I'm somewhat of a weather newb, I've only been doing it since April. And I have never gotten a 'gold star' until this week. They must have changed something, it seemed everyone got one before except me, and now it's the reverse. I wish they would be more forthcoming on their quality criteria.
They've still got a lot of things to fix before they get back up in full glory.
:lol: Never happen, certainly not to the point that's worthy. Waaay in over their heads.
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Personally I do not think there is any reference to quality Control of data, rather just there is data so you get a gold star.
I know the likes of AWEKAS will block incoming data if it is deemed erroneous.
Something WU just does not do.
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I've got two WU station IDs running off the same outdoor sensor (console and Meteobridge). Those two are separate from the test station ID that was inactive for over a month (that was tested with the ObserverIP which I keep turned off from reporting). The two station IDs (console and Meteobridge) have been running side by side without interruption. They both got Gold Stars this past week for the first time. Yesterday at 10:02PM EDT I needed to reboot my router. I was off the Internet for all of 3 minutes as my router changes took effect. I checked my Gold Star status upon getting back online and my Gold Star was gone for my console station ID. But the Meteobridge station ID still has a Gold Star. Same outdoor sensor hardware, same data! I lost the Gold Star because of a 3 minute router reboot?! That is ridiculous. And it all makes even less sense because the Meteobridge with the same data did not lose the Gold Star. This morning my console station ID still has no Gold Star and the Meteobridge station ID does.
So yep Gold Stars may be back but whatever WU is doing with them makes no sense.
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I know the likes of AWEKAS will block incoming data if it is deemed erroneous.
Something WU just does not do.
I do like how AWEKAS blocks bad data. They do it on a sensor by sensor basis rather than an entire station. I've heard though that some people get upset that they get kicked off potentially erroneously because of bad neighbors and sometimes it is difficult to get back on. Seems that AWEKAS can be a bit hard nosed too.
P. S. Did you know Toxic is the word of the year?
https://en.oxforddictionaries.com/word-of-the-year/word-of-the-year-2018
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I thought one of the WU reps had posted here some of the changes they were making to the quality control process. Or maybe it just was that they were making changes...I can't recall.
Both my stations lost their stars. I'm sure it's something that's being worked on right now on the back end.
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Still have mine never lost them
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I just gained back my Gold Star a few hours short of 5 days since having lost it from a 3 minute router reboot. My hardware never reported bad data. According to CWOP and AWEKAS I'm tracking perfectly with neighbors on all sensors. My alternative WU ID with same data (different software) a never lost it.
I know we shouldn't be laying any credibility in the Gold Stars but I just can't help but trying to figure out what logic or reasoning they have programmed.
It has been rather interesting to see Gold Stars awarded for a newly reporting station (no 5 day history). And now a station that lost the Gold Stars has earned it back within less than 5 days.
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I know we shouldn't be laying any credibility in the Gold Stars but I just can't help but trying to figure out what logic or reasoning they have programmed.
Lack of "Common Sense" maybe?
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My gold medal came back for less than 1 day about 2 weeks ago. Hasn't been back since. Today my Graphs and Tables disappeared.
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Is anyone else noticing an influx of cheap ebay* uncalibrated weather stations beginning to out number the actual 1/2 way decent calibrated ones?
I think it is starting to throw a bias onto WU - those Gold Stars dont count for sh!t anymore. I see stations with say the Rel. Pressure 15+ hPa out with a Gold Star because they are in a cluster of other stations that are all out as well.
I see trusted Davis Vantage Pro2 Plus and similar stations near me (which I have watched for some time) that I know are accurate and always correlate to the local meteorological station lose their Gold Star status because they are being swamped by cheap uncalibrated stations bought off ebay and put straight on line with a thought about calibration.
Feel better with that off my chest ;o)
*(a term I use for something produced to flog to the masses without thought for QA)
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those Gold Stars dont count for sh!t anymore.
Got news for ya....they never did, ever.
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I know we shouldn't be laying any credibility in the Gold Stars but I just can't help but trying to figure out what logic or reasoning they have programmed.
It has been rather interesting to see Gold Stars awarded for a newly reporting station (no 5 day history). And now a station that lost the Gold Stars has earned it back within less than 5 days.
I'd really be curious to know a little bit about their algorithm too. I don't think they're really looking at 5 days and I suspect that they're only looking at temperature. I'm sure they're not looking at barometer because there is a "gold star" station near me reporting a pressure of 27.73 (station pressure?) instead of an adjusted pressure.
I used to have a star but not today. Looking at my temperature graph I can see why, it's going up and done with the sun coming out. Not sure if it's because the solar panel is mostly covered by snow or if the fan simply isn't working...
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looking at temp? so if a WX has temp thats ok?
GOLD STARS MEAN NOTHING just look at this:
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looking at temp? so if a WX has temp thats ok?
Let me explain, and I think your example tends to confirm my guess (and I am only guessing).
I don't think WU is looking at anyone elses data, just the station in question. (if I'm right, people stressing about cheap eBay stations skewing things can relax)
I think they are analyzing each stations historical data looking for unusual variations outside of some norm. When that happens, no more gold star. Your example station is way off from everyone nearby but if you look at the graph of their data (forgetting the 50 deg discrepancy) it's nice and smooth, and when adjusted matches other stations.
They may be looking at things other than temp but I don't think they're comparing my data with other nearby stations.
Again, I'm only guessing. YMMV ;)
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how do they forecast? by using WX station data? if thats the case sure they would been to compare data of neighboring sites. I personally think there is no validity of data, the only check is there IS data.
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I personally think there is no validity of data, the only check is there IS data.
It has to be more than that. When I first noticed this thread I checked and was pleased to see my station had the coveted ;) gold star, then a few days later it was gone, a couple of days ago it was back, now today it's gone again. I've been sending data consistently the whole time so they must be checking it somehow but what and how they check is a mystery.
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Posted today by one of the developers in Facebook's Weather Underground User's Group:
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Again, as I said before Gold Stars mean nothing.
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Again, as I said before Gold Stars mean nothing.
Their algorithm definitely has some problems but I give them credit for trying. I doubt it will ever be perfect but hopefully it will improve to the point of being useful.
Posted today by one of the developers in Facebook's Weather Underground User's Group:
So we know they're only looking at temperature. I'd love to know more. My station had a gold star for several days but this morning it was gone. I can only guess why...
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I don't have a star, and my station has good temperatures... and smooth graphs. Really there are only about 2 stations near me out of many that have elevated readings in the daytime. Most seem to be trying to get good information out with low end equipment.
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So we know they're only looking at temperature. I'd love to know more. My station had a gold star for several days but this morning it was gone. I can only guess why...
That's not by design, though. That's just how it is/isn't currently working.
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I don't have a star, and my station has good temperatures... and smooth graphs. Really there are only about 2 stations near me out of many that have elevated readings in the daytime. Most seem to be trying to get good information out with low end equipment.
I'm a little surprised you don't have a star, although today I see some zigzags on the chart. That's the same problem I have on sunny days. I think smooth consistent data is what WU is looking at. Graphs with outliers lose or don't get a star. What's odd is that first thing this morning when I checked I had a star then, maybe an hour later, it was gone. :???:
What do you think of as "low end equipment"? My 5in1 came from Costco, on sale for $59.95. That's pretty cheap inexpensive. The box may say "Professional" but it's clearly consumer grade, however I've been really pleased with it's performance overall.
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I consider La Crosse, and all in one units like Ambient and Acurite 5n1, bloomSky...Oregon sci... to be lower end. That doesn't mean it's junk or a toy, just not up to names like Davis and Rainwise...
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It still boggles my mind why any of you continue to put stock in this worthless gimmick. :roll:
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