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Offline Jáchym

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Max potential solar radiation
« on: October 16, 2016, 06:29:41 PM »
Hi guys,

I have been trying to find a formula for calculating the maximum potential solar radiation.

I think it is based on your latitude and the day of the year. But I was unable to find any equation to do it. Does anyone know an equation that calculates this? It should give a number in W/m2 (or kW/m2). I know the absolute max should be 1440.

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Re: Max potential solar radiation
« Reply #1 on: October 16, 2016, 06:36:55 PM »
How about this topic which cites

http://www.ecy.wa.gov/programs/eap/models.html Solrad VBS/Excel calculator
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Re: Max potential solar radiation
« Reply #2 on: October 16, 2016, 07:06:18 PM »
Hi Ken,
this is exactly the only source I found :D The problem is that I dont see the equation... it is an Excel macro and I have Libre Office on my Lubuntu laptop and it failed to open it when I tried yesterday.

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Re: Max potential solar radiation
« Reply #3 on: October 16, 2016, 07:45:30 PM »
How about the math from http://www.powerfromthesun.net/Book/chapter02/chapter02.html
or details from http://www.solar.udel.edu/ELEG620/02_Solar_radiation09.pdf
or maybe http://www.pveducation.org/pvcdrom/calculation-of-solar-insolation

Hope this helps..
I'm surprised there's not a CPAN perl package for this already ... that would be easy to translate to PHP.
There is one https://metacpan.org/pod/Insolation but it does a one-day calc.
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Re: Max potential solar radiation
« Reply #4 on: October 16, 2016, 07:57:10 PM »
Thanks Ken, I will look at it!

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Re: Max potential solar radiation
« Reply #5 on: October 16, 2016, 09:13:40 PM »
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Re: Max potential solar radiation
« Reply #6 on: October 16, 2016, 10:22:00 PM »
That 1440 figure is for radiation that is arriving at the top of the atmosphere. The amount that is actually reaching the surface of the earth is around 1050. Wiki has some formulas that you might be able to use.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solar_irradiance

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Re: Max potential solar radiation
« Reply #7 on: October 17, 2016, 06:35:43 AM »
That 1440 figure is for radiation that is arriving at the top of the atmosphere. The amount that is actually reaching the surface of the earth is around 1050. Wiki has some formulas that you might be able to use.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solar_irradiance

Thanks, yes I know it is the "theoretical" maximum. Though I know that the stations often overestimate it, I did see numbers above 1300 measured by the Davis Pro here in Brno...

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Re: Max potential solar radiation
« Reply #8 on: October 17, 2016, 09:56:37 AM »
Thanks, yes I know it is the "theoretical" maximum. Though I know that the stations often overestimate it, I did see numbers above 1300 measured by the Davis Pro here in Brno...
Cloud reflection affects global sensors - sometimes quite markedly, for a 'true' reading from a sensor you need a cloudless day.
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Re: Max potential solar radiation
« Reply #9 on: October 17, 2016, 04:59:26 PM »
Yes, edge of cloud effects can be very dramatic for short periods of time with readings 20% or more higher than normal. It is caused by the sun being magnified by water droplets at the edge of the cloud.

 

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